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[04:21] <zul> @schedule montreal
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 14 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 13:00: Documentation Team | 20 Jun 16:00: Technical Board | 21 Jun 09:30: Xubuntu
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[06:17] <robitaille> @topic
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Jun 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
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[09:33] <mdz> @schedule
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00: Technical Board
[09:33] <Keybuk> nothing for today
[09:33] <mdz> looks like it's free
[09:33] <Keybuk> though where's the CC in that?
[09:33] <mdz> must have already happened?
[09:33] <Keybuk> oh, must have already happened
[09:33] <ogra> dropped for today
[09:34] <ogra> sbdfl is travelling, colin on vacation
[09:34] <mdz> so, impromptu techboard meeting to discuss topics for Paris
[09:34] <ogra> +a
[09:34] <Keybuk> there's still 27 not yet approved or declined, shall we look at those first>?
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[09:35] <mdz> Keybuk: yes, I didn't have a chance on monday as planned due to being unable to stand up
[09:35] <mdz> unfortunately it looks like the trivial spec tracker changes I asked for didn't make it in, so this is still a pain
[09:35] <Keybuk> yeah, I was about to say ... I swear they promised that they would be hyperlinks this week
[09:35] <mdz> basically what I've been doing is, for each spec in the list, searching around to find the spec page for it
=== highvoltage listens in
[09:36] <mdz> I check to see if anyone associated with the spec is actually attending the conference
[09:36] <mdz> or if it's something we ought to talk about anyway
=== ogra subscribed to all edubuntu specs ... in case you need an overview of them
[09:37] <Spec> oh god, a meeting of specs.
[09:37] <mdz> ogra: did you submit them all for paris last week?
[09:37] <ogra> yeps
[09:37] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/apparmor
[09:37] <mdz> Spec: you might want to leave the channel for a bit ;-)
[09:37] <ogra> lol
[09:37] <Spec> it's interesting though, i got a spec submitted/approved already :p
[09:37] <Keybuk> Holy bad-choice-of-nickname, Spec-man!
[09:37] <mdz> Keybuk: I fear, though, that sabdfl was going over that list as well, and not using the same approach
[09:38] <mdz> so there may be stuff approved where there won't be anyone to talk about it
[09:38] <mdz> s/approved/accepted/
[09:38] <Keybuk> at one point I was convinced that there was automatic processing going on
[09:38] <Keybuk> I assigned a spec to the meeting and it was *instantly* approved
[09:38] <mdz> yeah, I think that was him.  unfortunately there's no mail notification either
=== mdz scribbles on his spec tracker notes some more
[09:39] <mdz> there are 126 accepted and I know I didn't do more than half of that
[09:39] <Keybuk> I did add a few specs to the meeting which nobody else had
[09:39] <Keybuk> but only where I knew they were things other people wanted to talk about
[09:39] <Keybuk> e.g. libata-for-all
[09:39] <Keybuk> that was the one, in fact, that went straight to accepted without collecting 200$
[09:40] <mdz> we also need to reset the status for specs which are being reproposed from an earlier cycle
[09:40] <mdz> I've been doing that where I see it
[09:41] <mdz> it looks like early-userspace was just edited and reproposed, though it's a different spec
[09:42] <mdz> how confusing
[09:42] <mdz> hmm, someone helpfully added my old grub2 spec to paris, which I had completely forgotten I'd entered
[09:43] <Keybuk> I'd love an activity log for specs too
[09:43] <Keybuk> can you add that to your scribbles? :)
[09:43] <mdz> er, ubuntu-meta-from-bzr was proposed and accepted when it's already implemented
[09:44] <mdz> (done)
[09:44] <Keybuk> yes, that's because Colin had a few hours
[09:44] <Keybuk> fix-mom is likely to be implemented before
[09:44] <mdz> packetcd is owned by someone who isn't coming
[09:45] <Keybuk> kooky
[09:45] <mdz> but tollef is subscribed, ok
[09:45] <lucasvo> @schedule
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 13:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00: Technical Board
[09:45] <mdz> I'm going to ask that the spec tracker make this a hard constraint
[09:45] <Keybuk> someone attending must be attached or subscribed to the spec?
[09:45] <mdz> that there must be someone subscribed or assigned who is registered to attend the meeting
[09:45] <Keybuk> apparmor => not attending
[09:46] <Keybuk> ethical-info => not attending
[09:46] <mdz> go ahead and decline them
[09:46] <Keybuk> gnome-bling-manager => not attending
[09:47] <Keybuk> integrated-cdemu => not attending
[09:47] <Keybuk> jhbuild->dependencies => not attending
[09:48] <mdz> adept-usability is one I asked Riddell to narrow the scope on before accepting it, but someone else accepted it anyway
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[09:49] <Keybuk> serverland => not attending
[09:50] <Keybuk> server-config-wizard => not attending
[09:52] <Keybuk> synaptic-packages-descriptions-localisation => not attending (mvo isn't subscribed either)
[09:52] <mdz> Keybuk: who registered it?
[09:52] <Keybuk> arch-change-i386-to-i686 => not attending (also we decided not to do this yet)
[09:52] <mdz> I think mvo may actually be interested in it
[09:52] <Keybuk> mdz: "tenshu"
[09:52] <mdz> mvo: confirm or deny?
[09:53] <mvo> Keybuk: I am interessted in this, just it should be merged with apt-ddtp, no?
[09:53] <Keybuk> ok, I'll mark it superceded by that spec
[09:54] <mdz> Keybuk: I'm also setting the assignee to be the registrant where registrant is null
[09:54] <mdz> since that's sort of the theme for edgy, and assignee shows up in the table while registrant doesn't
[09:54] <Keybuk> ubuntu-directory-server => not attending
[09:54] <mvo> Keybuk: is it on the paris spec table? I seem to be unable to find it
[09:54] <Keybuk> mvo: it was in the proposed list
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[09:55] <Keybuk> hmm, usb-adsl-modems ... nobody's attending; decline, or accept anyway -- sfflaw was interested in that kind of thing?
[09:55] <mvo> Keybuk: what is the url for that list?
[09:55] <Keybuk> mvo: -EPERM for you I'm afraid :-/
[09:55] <Keybuk> (quite why you need permission to *read* it, I've no idea, but hey)
[09:56] <Keybuk> xchat-gnome-default => not attending
[09:56] <mvo> Keybuk: ok, thanks. I will be around in case something more comes up for me
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[09:58] <mdz> mvo: if apt-ddtp covers the same stuff, the other one should be superseded by it
[09:58] <mvo> mdz: it does, it even links to ddtp.debian.net :) 
[09:59] <mdz> Keybuk: can you mark it superseded/
[09:59] <Keybuk> mdz: done
[09:59] <Keybuk> Riddell: ping
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[10:01] <Keybuk> (where there wasn't an assignee and the assignee isn't coming)
[10:01] <Keybuk> uh, registrant isn't coming
[10:02] <mdz> edgy-toolchain-roadmap needs breaking down, mailed doko
[10:02] <Keybuk> I'm buggered if I can find "rsync/zsync based synchronization tool for deb packages"
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[10:03] <Keybuk> "succinct"
[10:03] <Keybuk> how, utterly, errr succint of it
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[10:03] <mdz> some of these are doomed to be split up during the meeting
[10:03] <Keybuk> mvo: you like the succinct spec?
[10:03] <Keybuk> hmm, it's SoC 2006 allegedly, is that right?
[10:04] <mvo> Keybuk: yes, its a SoC project now, I think it is cool and doable
[10:04] <Keybuk> mvo: is there any point discussing it at UFK then?
[10:04] <Keybuk> given the author isn't coming
[10:04] <mvo> Keybuk: probably not, no - only if paul is coming 
[10:05] <Keybuk> "paul" ?
[10:05] <mvo> paul sladen
[10:05] <Keybuk> he's listed as unlikely
[10:05] <mvo> he seems to have some more generic plans for all of it I would be interessted to talk to him
[10:05] <mvo> ok
[10:05] <mvo> I'll ask him
[10:06] <mvo> but without sladen, there is little point in scheduling the spec
[10:06] <mvo> and even with him there is no need to schedule more than a single session I guess
[10:07] <Keybuk> launchpad_prod=> select name from specification where title like 'Launchpad Account%';
[10:07] <Keybuk>         name
[10:07] <Keybuk> ---------------------
[10:07] <Keybuk>  launchpad-login-app
[10:07] <Keybuk> (1 row)
=== Keybuk cackles, evily
[10:08] <mdz> Keybuk: I need to get me one of those
[10:08] <Keybuk> mdz: login to drescher, become lp_archive ... psql -h jubany -U ro launchpad_prod
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[10:09] <mdz> Keybuk: oh, thanks
[10:10] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/laptop-video-output-control
[10:10] <Keybuk> ^ registrant is not coming ... sivang is subscribed
[10:10] <Keybuk> accept or decline?
[10:11] <Mithrandir> that's nontrivial to implement anyway. Some of it can be done using randr, but most can't.
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[10:13] <Keybuk> ok
[10:13] <Keybuk> nothing remaining in proposed
[10:14] <mdz> I'm almost finished my pass over the accepted stuff,
[10:14] <mdz> tidying it up
[10:14] <mdz> Keybuk: you subscribed to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/reboot-halt-notification, but I'm not entirely clear what it's about
[10:15] <mdz> is it notifying desktop users of reboots from non-desktop contexts?
[10:15] <Keybuk> mdz: yeah, afaik it's a graphical "wall"
[10:15] <mdz> *shrug*
[10:15] <Keybuk> I did subscribe to things on a "if they're on the list, I may want to listen in" basis
[10:15] <mdz> Keybuk: the registrant isn't going to be there
[10:15] <Keybuk> the registrant isn't coming
[10:15] <Keybuk> => declined
[10:16] <ogra> perople ask a lot about that, i never understood why (how can i send something like the termonals shutdown message to all desktops)
[10:16] <ogra> grmbl ... i need a typing course 
[10:17] <Keybuk> mdz: what's the status on "needs further discussion" specs?
[10:17] <Keybuk> ie. java-roadmap where it has been explicitly unchecked
[10:17] <Keybuk> uh, "does not need further discussion"
[10:17] <Keybuk> is there any point having those for the meeting?
[10:18] <mdz> where is the 'informational' designation hiding these days?
[10:18] <Keybuk> the big (i)
[10:18] <mdz> I mean where is it  changed
[10:18] <Keybuk> and/or "Edit Details"
[10:19] <mdz> thanks
[10:19] <mdz> the "needs further discussion" flag should probably be cleared globally for paris
[10:19] <Keybuk> all specs should have an assignee, yes?
[10:19] <mdz> it's meant to be per-meeting state but isn't
[10:19] <Keybuk> "set globally", you mean?
[10:19] <mdz> Keybuk: I'm assigning where the person is a known developer
[10:19] <mdz> Keybuk: right, set
[10:20] <mdz> we will have some specs where we have a subject matter expert there leading the discussion, but they won't be implementing it
[10:20] <mdz> I'm leaving those blank
[10:21] <mdz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xenubuntu-livedvd is a project that someone is actually working on, but they're not attending
[10:23] <mdz> ok
[10:23] <mdz> I've finished my first pass
[10:23] <mdz> need to go back and look at the ones you accepted since we've been talking
[10:24] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/comprehensive-coherent-wireless-client
[10:25] <Keybuk> (accepted simply because he's coming)
[10:25] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-content
[10:25] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/forum-integration
[10:26] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kde-kiosk-profiles
[10:26] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-accessibility
[10:26] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-system-settings-usability
[10:26] <mdz> what  do you think about subscribing teams to specs?
[10:26] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-usability
[10:26] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-userprofiling
[10:26] <mdz> e.g., subscribing the accessibility team to all the a11y specs
[10:26] <Keybuk> mdz: does that work?
[10:26] <Keybuk> I didn't think the e-mail notifier could handle that
[10:26] <mdz> Keybuk: I expect it does, yes
[10:26] <Keybuk> if it works, sure
[10:26] <mdz> well
[10:27] <mdz> do we want it to work?
[10:27] <Keybuk> dunno, do we? :p
[10:27] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/launchpad-login-app
[10:27] <mdz> does ti make sense to notify teams of relevant spec changes?
[10:27] <mdz> should probably ask some teams
[10:27] <Keybuk> it makes sense to me
[10:27] <mdz> I think it probably depends
[10:27] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/spoken-boot
[10:27] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard
[10:27] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-on-olpc
[10:28] <Keybuk> those are the specs I accepted -- feel free to edit or decline them again
[10:29] <Keybuk> launchpad-login-app is marked "Not for us" in priority
[10:29] <mdz> ok, https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs is looking pretty good
[10:30] <mdz> will need to go and hassle some folks who are short on specs
[10:30] <ogra> mdz, do you have a spec for dexconf changes ? someone subscribed me to a spec that would be superseded by it (because he found my name on a bugreport)
[10:30] <Riddell> Keybuk: pong
[10:30] <mdz> ogra: no, I don't, what's the one you found?
[10:30] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gene
[10:30] <Riddell> mdz: you asked me to narrow kubuntu-usability, so I changed it to adept-usability
[10:30] <ogra> i just found that i'm subscribed to that one 
[10:31] <mdz> "gene"?
[10:31] <mdz> oh, that's the name of the guy who proposed it, heh
=== Keybuk wonders what happened to the "workload" thing
[10:31] <mdz> Keybuk: I think it's only on the distrorelease
[10:31] <ogra> the hwdb-client stuff is covered by a whishlist bugy anyway and the 3d driver stuff should be covered by a "better-x-detection" spec
[10:31] <Keybuk> mdz: talking of which, should these all be targeted to edgy?
[10:32] <Keybuk> or only after approval?
[10:32] <Keybuk> that field seems a bit of a no-op though
[10:32] <Keybuk> mdz: to be fair to "gene", he did say in the status that he was confused by the meaning of the "Name:" field
[10:32] <mdz> I think maybe we should clear the priorities, since it's only set for old specs and their priority is unlikely to be the same for edgy
[10:33] <mdz> Keybuk: I had planned to wait until the specs were written actually
[10:33] <Keybuk> mdz: seems fair (to both)
[10:33] <mdz> I don't think we have enough information yet
[10:33] <mdz> ok, I'll clear the priorities
[10:33] <Keybuk> if only we could clear it where it's already set (to dapper or edgy)
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[10:34] <ogra> you need a widescreen LCD ;)
[10:35] <Keybuk> this is where we need infinity :p
[10:35] <Keybuk> "UPDATE specification SET..."
[10:38] <mdz> Keybuk: I'm leaving the priority alone on the ones with sabdfl fingerprints on them
[10:38] <mdz> e.g. the rosetta ones
[10:38] <Spec> mdz: You changed Home-User-Backup to undefined?
[10:38] <Keybuk> I can't even touch the rosetta ones
[10:38] <Keybuk> I only have Ubuntu super-powahs, not LP ones
[10:38] <LaserJock> Keybuk: hehe
[10:39] <mdz> Spec: see above
[10:40] <mdz> Keybuk: I'm done, the remaining priorities are OK
[10:40] <Keybuk> mdz: gimme a minute, just doing a pass over them all myself
[10:40] <mdz> Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/no-more-source-packages ?
[10:41] <Keybuk> mdz: aye, informational topic for discussion
[10:41] <mdz> Keybuk: but the summary doesn't explain what the discussion will be about.  is it meant to be a surprise?
[10:41] <Keybuk> the spec as is on the wiki is more of a debate starter than a something to write
[10:41] <Keybuk> ah, sorry; the spec is actually written -- see "Read more" :p
[10:41] <Spec> mdz: see above where?
[10:42] <Keybuk> . o O { why am I paranoid about tabs hiding under the tab close button }
[10:43] <Spec> ohh
[10:43] <ajmitch> it's an interesting idea, at least
[10:43] <Spec> ne'ermind *slow*
[10:43] <ajmitch> mdz: not sure if network-authentication needs to be discussed at paris now, I'm doing it as SoC project
[10:43] <Keybuk> ajmitch: are you coming to Paris?
[10:44] <ajmitch> nope
[10:44] <ogra> why ?
[10:44] <ogra> ajmitch, thats not nice from you
[10:44] <ajmitch> ogra: hm?
[10:44] <ogra> leaving us alone there
[10:44] <ajmitch> I know, but it's a little far to swim
[10:44] <Keybuk> along ... with OGRA!
[10:44] <ogra> heh :)
[10:45] <ogra> ajmitch, hey, i even go by car ... 
[10:45] <ogra> so swimming would be the least you could do for us :)
[10:45] <Keybuk> mdz: should we clear the "Basic direction approved?" flag ?
[10:45] <mdz> oh, hmm, I was looking at the wrong page, there are more priorities to review
[10:45] <ajmitch> yeah, I would have applied/begged for sponsorship, except the timing is wrong :)
[10:46] <mdz> Keybuk: not in every case, no
[10:46] <mdz> ah, no, I just got lost in my tabs. priorities are ok
[10:46] <Keybuk> mdz: the only spec which has it set is native-java-gcj
[10:47] <mdz> Keybuk: odd, I thought that was new
[10:47] <mdz> yes, that should be cleared
[10:48] <Keybuk> heh, wonder whether someone was setting their own status there <g>
[10:48] <Keybuk> I choose not to change the priority of "tab-consistency" :)
[10:48] <mdz> smart move
[10:49] <mdz> Keybuk: anything which isn't specific enough should be marked informational, with the expectation that it'll be broken down into smaller specs
[10:50] <Keybuk> it's a bit hard definining specific without seeing the spec
[10:50] <mdz> mailed iwj about package-dependency-fix
[10:50] <mdz> the summary should be good enough to know what it is about, if not, the responsible party needs to be nagged
[10:52] <Keybuk> just gonna grab some tea, brb
=== ogra wonders if its not beertime in the uk yet 
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[10:59] <mdz> ogra: do you have a spec registered for completing the automation of the ltsp install?
[10:59] <mdz> ogra: if not, please put one in.  I know you already said you had a branch but it needs to be tracked
[10:59] <ogra> nope, i saw that as general improvement of the package and didnt see a need to spec that
[11:00] <ogra> i havent finished the work on that branch when you said i should keep it for edgy 
[11:01] <ogra> andit was only changes in the ueb, it wouldnt work from the package alone, that would probably need discussion ...
[11:01] <ogra> *udeb
[11:04] <Keybuk> back
=== jenda wonders what is going on here.
[11:05] <ogra> mdz, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration
[11:06] <Keybuk> jenda: Ubuntu Development Summit (Paris)  spec meeting
[11:06] <Spec> jenda: it's a meeting of specs
[11:06] <mdz> hmm, we should clear the release goal for those still targeting dapper
[11:07] <Keybuk> mdz: oh, Colin said he wants all of his specs to be Essential again :)
[11:07] <Keybuk> mdz: I tried, I can't clear it :-/
[11:07] <mdz> I'm doing it
=== jenda sees only one spec... but sure :)
[11:07] <mdz> Keybuk: did he call you during his holiday to let you know? ;-)
[11:07] <Keybuk> mdz: he told me so in London
[11:07] <Keybuk> he said "I swear, if all my specs are NOT Essential this time, I'm leaving"
[11:08] <Keybuk> hmm, maybe the "NOT" wasn't in there :p
[11:08] <mdz> Keybuk: ugh, you're right, it seems impossible to clear
[11:08] <mdz> Keybuk: could you file a bug about that?
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[11:08] <Keybuk> holy cow, there's a "blueprint" product
[11:09] <Keybuk> mdz: what happens if you "decline" the spec for dapper, does it go away?
[11:10] <mdz> mvo: isn't auto-dist-upgrade-testing already implemented?
[11:10] <mdz> Keybuk: I don't know; the ones I see are Accepted, not Proposed
[11:10] <Keybuk> yeah, there does not appear to be a way to un-accept them
[11:11] <mdz> the drop-down for setting the release goal isn't even populated correctly; it's surely a bug
[11:11] <mdz> those specs are targeted for dapper, but the box defaults to (no value), which won't even validate
[11:11] <mvo> mdz: not fully/like I want it
[11:12] <Keybuk> yeah, it appears that "adds another release goal"
[11:13] <Keybuk> optimized-live-cd-layout-for-faster-boot => high ?
=== mvo if off to bed
[11:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: around?
[11:14] <Mithrandir> yeah
[11:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: what's the relationship between livecd-sessions and livecd-write-as-you-go?
[11:14] <mdz> is write-as-you-go likely to use the same session infrastructure?
[11:14] <mdz> i.e., is it a depndency?
[11:15] <Mithrandir> yes, I think so.
[11:15] <Mithrandir> I think I have enough parts implemented already to do l-w-a-y-g, but it should at least be thought about.
[11:16] <Mithrandir> as in, -sessions and write-as-you-go will most likely share a bunch more of the code.
[11:17] <mdz> Keybuk: I think we should set the tech board as approver for all specs for now
[11:17] <mdz> so that we get notifications of changes
[11:18] <Keybuk> ok, I'll go through them and do that now
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[11:19] <mdz> linky?
[11:19] <ogra> your dog ? 
[11:19] <mdz> Keybuk: is that a LP screen scraper?  if so, I want a copy :-P
[11:20] <Keybuk> it's a firefox extension, has an "open all links in tabs" feature :p
[11:20] <Keybuk> damned handy for LP
[11:20] <ogra> you could just hold down ctrl all the time  :)
[11:20] <ogra> or tape it ...
[11:20] <Keybuk> ogra: that gets tedious
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[11:23] <mdz> I just middle-click, and have firefox set to open tabs in the background
[11:23] <mdz> Keybuk: isn't *all* links a bit more than you typically want?
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[11:24] <Keybuk> mdz: well, normally yes
[11:24] <Keybuk> it pops up a dialog and you can filter it out
[11:24] <Keybuk> so I go "open all links in tabs" -> "match /+spec/" -> ok
[11:29] <Keybuk> mdz: I can't do rosetta-oo-import-export
[11:32] <Keybuk> I like the way Mark registers specs and sets himself as the approver
[11:32] <Keybuk> (tab-consistency)
[11:34] <mdz> ok, first pass of prioritization is done
[11:35] <ogra> meh ...
=== ogra doesnt like the prios he sees
[11:35] <mdz> high ~= "we should do this", medium ~= "would be cool", low ~= "other things are more important", undefined ~= undecided
[11:36] <ogra> yep, grokked that ... but i dont see student control panel as high or ltsp-management-gui as low
[11:36] <mdz> essential is only sab-override at this point; probably more things will become essential
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[11:36] <mdz> ogra: student control panel is something you told me the community wants very much, while the management gui you said was a pet project of yours
[11:37] <ogra> well, yes
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[11:37] <sivang> topic
[11:37] <ogra> but s-c-p is already existing and has some drive in the community, i can hand it to someone
[11:38] <Keybuk> !?! @ font-design-toolkit
[11:38] <ogra> while i wuldnt like that for ltsp-manager until the initial featureset is done ...
[11:39] <Keybuk> oh, registrant is just unconfirmed as coming
[11:40] <mdz> oh? I thought he was coming
[11:40] <Keybuk> he's french, so probably
[11:40] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/gnome-mount
[11:40] <Keybuk> ^^ why is that a rosetta spec?!
[11:40] <ogra> and i also saw edubuntu-edgy-cd-diet as a spec what to drop and what to keep on the CD based on numbers and measurements from the BOF shrinking the edubuntu CD is also essential
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[11:45] <Keybuk> mdz: most edgy specs would seem to default to "medium" ?
[11:48] <mdz> Keybuk: in what way do you mean?
[11:48] <mdz> as in, people are expected to propose things based on coolness?
[11:48] <Keybuk> well, edgy specs are developer personal itches which amounts to "would be cool" .. unless there's a particular reason that it's higher or lower
[11:48] <Keybuk> indeed
[11:51] <Keybuk> all specs (except ~4) are approver: techboard now
[11:53] <mdz> Keybuk: priority is a distro-level concept, though, rather than the registrant's perspective
[11:53] <Keybuk> true, true
[11:53] <mdz> it's also one of the main scheduling constraints
[11:53] <mdz> so it's also "how important is it that we spend face time on this"
[11:54] <mdz> simpler stuff is likely to get done on its own without a lot of discussion, or can be discussed by mail
[11:54] <Keybuk> I've done a pass over them as well
[11:57] <Keybuk> build-failure-process ... that one seems useful?  high?
[11:57] <mdz> Keybuk: oh, yes
[11:58] <mdz> I think that's one where I needed to both set it to informational and set the priority, and forgot one
[11:58] <mdz> maybe I should open two tabs in those cases :-P
[11:58] <Keybuk> I open all of the change tabs at once, and then hunt around for the thing I was looking for
[11:58] <ajmitch> I get worried when I see specs name 'edgy-content'
[11:58] <ajmitch> that has so many meanings..
[11:58] <Keybuk> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner => medium ?
[12:00] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah
[12:00] <Keybuk> hmm, package-dependency-fix worries me ... I have a feeling Ian wants to "change things" with Replaces
[12:01] <Keybuk> live-cd-stacked-filesystems -- that will let us do other cool things like a triple-arch DVD ... medium?
[12:02] <mdz> Keybuk: the idea of demanding more complexity from unionfs frightens me
[12:02] <Keybuk> unionfs hasn't proved to be the brittle link in the chain though