[12:03] depends if you want multiple debs or not [12:03] meaning... [12:04] ryanakca: I already told you :-) [12:04] its 1 program... so would they be diferent copies? [12:04] if you want to create more than 1 .deb out of a source package [12:04] LaserJock: you did? [12:04] yeah [12:04] but you might have missed it [12:04] ok, so I take it single binary [12:05] yeah [12:05] oh, hehe oops [12:05] I missed it, yeah [12:05] but for instance, you could have like -doc, -dbg, -dev packages that are also built from the same source [12:06] that is why there are actually quite a few less source packages than binary packages in the repo === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-180.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] LaserJock: oh, I see... === lakin_ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] Heya gang === SymGeosis [n=mike@mtairy-motorola1-68-71-230-109.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] stuff that is checked for at ./configure... is that a build-dep or a dep? checking for IMG_LoadPNG_RW in -lSDL_image... [01:25] that's a build-dep === NthDegree [n=nthd3gr3@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] hint: you're making a package (i.e., compiling source in most cases) -> build-dependency [01:26] you need libsdl-image1.2-dev [01:26] kk [01:26] in debian/control:Build-Depends [01:26] yep :) [01:26] morning [01:26] 'morning, ajmitch [01:26] Heya crimsun_, ajmitch [01:28] hi (again) [01:28] configure: error: Unable to find the SDL_ttf library do I add libsdl-ttf2.0-dev or libsdl-ttf1.2-dev to build-depends? [01:29] check the source's README/INSTALL [01:29] I'd work from most current backward [01:29] crimsun_: kindof problem... it doesn't have one of those :( [01:29] you could always check the source for what it actually #includes [01:31] *gulps* === ryanakca shrinks back from the source [01:32] it's just alphanumerics [01:32] no knives or bullets [01:32] often having coding knowledge is important for packaging :) [01:32] someone submitted nexuiz 1.2 === ajmitch shouldn't have got out of bed [01:32] 1.5 has been out and 1.6 is coming out soonish. [01:32] too cold [01:33] bluefoxicy: seen the date on the revu upload? [01:34] February === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp233-230.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] crimsun_: alphanumerics that give you a headache :P seriously... I need to learn how to code... I understand the code, I just don't know HOW to code... [01:36] oh [01:36] it's sorted by number of advocates. [01:36] ajmitch: help me figure out wtf to do with snort 2.6 :) [01:40] cd /msg ajmitch hola [01:40] ;) [01:40] stupid keyboard [01:42] hehe [01:42] bluefoxicy: RE: snort 2.6, it's worth checking with Javier. Check Debian 320920 in particular. [01:42] Debian bug 320920 in snort "Subject: snort: 2.4 upgrade, prelude support" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/320920 [01:43] config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in ??? [01:43] bluefoxicy: perhaps if you applied some ... pressure toward upstream RE: the licensing of the rules, that would speed things along in Debian, which can along assist Ubuntu. [01:43] crimsun_: did he rewrite the whole debian/ directory? [01:43] crimsun_: I'm not particularly interested in the rules; in fact I am QUITE annoyed that my last experience with Snort in Ubuntu was "SNORT DEPENDS ON SNORT-RULES KTHX!" [01:44] bluefoxicy: doubtful, but I don't package snort. I'm referring to a licensing issue which prevents the previous stable version from entering. [01:44] As far as I care, the rules don't need to be packaged, and snort shouldn't depend on them. it works just find (albeit, non-operationally) without rules; and end users can easily write their own or get a registered feed and use OinkMaster (which is what I was doing, hence why I didn't like that snort forced me to install a rules package) [01:45] crimsun_: is there another issue besides just the rules files? === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] bluefoxicy: I haven't even begun to read all of src:snort's bugs [01:48] crimsun_: nods. I think at the very least we can assume we don't need rules packaged. [01:49] other issues I don't have an answer for. [01:50] "In addition, the VRT is pleased to announce that will be maintaining a community ruleset that contains rules submitted by members of the open source community. While these rules are available as is, the VRT performs basic tests to ensure that new rules will not break Snort. These rules are distributed under the GPL and are freely available to all open source Snort users." <-- there's always these [01:51] (however there are no 2.6 community rules) [01:51] crimsun_: I'll check with Javier if I see him online some time. === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-17.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] how do you build a package that compiles with scons instead of make? [02:01] s/make/scons/ ? :-) [02:03] brb [02:04] bddebian: yeah... Secret Maryo Cronicles (a super mario immitation) builds with scons instead of make [02:05] Aye. I am saying that there is nothing that inherently requires make [02:05] Several packages use xmkmf or imake for example [02:10] ??? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] bddebian: so what do I do? === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [02:35] ryanakca: You build the package in rules like you would build it externally [02:35] o.O [02:36] I'm just starting to package btw... and I know... not the best beginner choice... [02:36] :-) === fabo_ [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@227-162-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] What's better, multiple binaries or single binary... ??? I know the difference, just not which one is better [02:45] that depends on the type of package, really [02:46] ok, a simple kde app... single binary? [02:46] but from the looks of it, the doc is huge... so that's why I'm thinking multiple... [02:47] I'm looking at the Kastrolog candidate at the moment === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] what section in control would I put this http://www.paganlink.org/library/astrology/kastrolog.html ? [03:01] science :P [03:02] ryanakca: seriously, isn't this an existing Debian package? What section is it in now? === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] hub :) [03:13] hey magnon, hub [03:13] hi [03:14] I update 2 of my packages for edgy === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] OK, git-core sucks [03:21] no it doesnt [03:22] Trying to debug the test scripts does :-) [03:22] hello all [03:22] Hello jmg === jmg grumbles at ooo [03:23] jaldhar: it's in the Candidates list... so I didn't think it allready was... just a sec... [03:25] guys i am having some trouble with ooo, similar to this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2-amd64/+bug/12611 but on i386 and not resolved by reinstall.. [03:25] Malone bug 12611 in openoffice.org2-amd64 "Openoffice.org2 does not have menu-icons" [Medium,Rejected] [03:25] jaldhar: nope... far from science... more like "mathematical guessing" [03:26] bddebian: my life would be dismal without git-core kthx [03:27] crimsun_: have you used stgit? [03:27] chuck_: not yet [03:27] ryanakca: hmm I was pretty sure it was in debian sid. fwiw, astrolog (the non-kde version) is in multiverse/games [03:27] crimsun_!! My love. Wanna help me? :-) [03:27] bddebian: sure, finish my abstract [03:28] crimsun_: stuff is proven. Other stuff is refuted. [03:28] crimsun_: done! [03:28] crimsun_: OK :-) [03:28] jaldhar: I would put it in misc... [03:28] NO bugs?! [03:28] jaldhar: I'm pretty sure that doesn't fly, since I've tried that one :p [03:28] hehe [03:29] Gawd some days I really hate being stupid [03:32] heh.. [03:35] Well I'm glad YOU think it's funny :-) [03:38] i was reading the forums === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] crimsun_: the snd_cs46xx failed === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] zul: guh? [03:50] where? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Is there a clean/easy way to see reverse build-deps? [03:55] grep-dctrl [04:00] grep-dctrl -F Build-dep foo ? [04:02] take a look at its manpage... [04:02] I just did [04:03] It's example for searching doesn't include the Packages file. Do I need to? [04:03] have you tried it? [04:03] Yes === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rotund [n=joe@207-118-203-25.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] is anyone working on iFolder packages for dapper? [04:11] also, is it possible to get packages into the ubuntu universe still? [04:12] For Dapper, no [04:12] Unless you ask for a backport I suppose [04:13] Anyone doing packages for edgy? [04:13] ajmitch: C'mon mand [04:13] -d [04:13] Rotund: Not for Universe yet, it isn't open afaik [04:13] Some folks are posting to REVU [04:13] iFolder is completely open. I think GPL [04:13] REVU? [04:14] It's a place to post packages to be reviewed by MOTUs [04:14] ahhh. [04:16] Rotund: ping Mez, he's got some work up on revu and launchpad. [04:16] I don't see iFolder on REVU [04:16] possible it's off the "Current Uploads" list? [04:17] he had it up there a few months ago [04:18] https://launchpad.net/products/pkg-ifolder [04:18] That was client-only iirc. [04:20] ahhh. I don't see any packages on launchpad. is there a way to get at them? [04:21] wait. now I find it [04:22] whiprush_: your repository is pretty out of date, right? [04:22] Rotund: I was just mirroring mez's packages, since he didn't have the bandwidth [04:22] ahh [04:25] Rotund: it doesn't even connect to the new ifolder server stuff ... [04:25] if you're willing to package it, you would rule ... the ifolder guys are very ubuntu-friendly. [04:25] they just need someone to put the pieces together. === NthDegree [n=nthd3gr3@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] any idea what IRC channel/server they'd be on? [04:26] gimpnet? [04:27] #ifolder [04:27] yeah === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] wb Laser [04:35] Err LaserJock [04:35] hi bddebian === NthDegree [n=nthd3gr3@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@194-247-233-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] bddebian: have you uploaded to edgy yet? [04:40] Is Universe open yet? [04:40] I don't know [04:41] they're doing lots of funky things for edgy [04:41] funky things? [04:41] apparently we have a -proposed repo [04:41] like having a working toolchain? [04:42] jsgotangco: bah, who cares about a working toolchain ;-) [04:42] lol [04:43] does anybody know how -updates works? [04:45] You have to request from an archive admin afaik [04:45] We still aren't in full Edgy swing yet are we? [04:46] bddebian: so file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive? [04:46] TheMuso: when are you flying? [04:46] bddebian: or just ping mdz [04:46] I fly out from Sydney on Saturday evening, 18:45. [04:47] nonstop? [04:47] LaserJock: TBH, I don't know the "proper" procedure, sorry [04:47] Stop in Thiland and Dubai. [04:47] oh [04:47] bddebian: shesh, lotta good you are ;-) [04:47] I think both are changing plains, but not sure. === jsgotangco wonders if someone will be dropping at amsterdam [04:47] LaserJock: None whatsoever :'-( [04:48] And I get into Paris on Sunday 13:30 local time [04:48] jsgotangco: Why? [04:48] just wondering who i might bump into by chance [04:48] Oh ok. [04:49] jsgotangco: got your visa? [04:49] Just finalized travel insurance today actually. :) [04:49] I assume so ;-) [04:49] LaserJock: Visa? [04:50] LaserJock: hopefully i get it today/tomorrow [04:50] same with highvoltage [04:50] I thought it depended on where you were coming from. [04:51] yes [04:51] jsgotangco: Have you been to any dev summits previously? [04:51] TheMuso: UDU [04:52] Ah ok. [04:52] Lucky you. [04:53] why so? [04:53] You know what to expect. :) [04:53] And I wasn't able to get to that damn summit, even though I live in Sydney. :S [04:54] yeah im surprised lol [04:54] TheMuso: it's my first as well [04:54] i remember us going on a tour bus at night and the bus had tinted windows :/ [04:54] heh [04:54] LaserJock: I am glad someone will be in the same boat as me then. :) [04:55] jsgotangco: What usually happens at night anyway? [04:55] ahh depends...sometimes people get too tired and just sleep after a couple of beers [04:55] Right. [04:56] id say it also depends on where the hotel is located [04:57] before we're just 5 minutes away from kings cross [04:57] Yeah. [04:58] I can't wait. :) [04:58] how much does travel insurance cost on your side? [04:58] ack, I've got so much to do before I go === bddebian flips LaserJock the finger ;-) [04:59] jsgotangco: There is sooo much to choose from, it can get quite confusing [05:00] So it depends on how long you are going, and many other variables. [05:00] I've never heard of travel insurance before [05:00] LaserJock: Really? [05:00] no, but I've never really traveled before so.. [05:00] i never took travel insurance before either [05:01] I travelled in a big group of people back in 2002, and we had it then. [05:01] I got it because of the value of the stuff I am bringing with me. :)( [05:02] well i took it after what happened before in montreal :/ === jsgotangco looks at ajmitch [05:02] jsgotangco: I heard about that. === LaserJock will have everything handcuffed to him [05:03] I hope the hotel choice this time was considered for security as well. [05:03] LaserJock: heh [05:04] Handcuffing a notebook as well as possible hardware speech synthesis gear may not be that easy for me. :) [05:04] wow so you're bringing the whole thing [05:04] awesome [05:04] Notebook for sure. Not sure about the hardware speech synth yet, as I can't actually use that with my notebook at the moment. [05:04] Well I can, but not for what I would use it for. [05:05] Long story. [05:06] what does the speech synth do? [05:06] jsgotangco: yes, the pain of losing stuff is a good incentive to get insurance [05:06] other than synthesize speech ;-) [05:06] LaserJock: Thats exactly what it does. [05:06] You can make it sing if you try hard enough. :) === sean [n=sean@71-214-92-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] TheMuso: can it translate? :-) [05:06] Nope/. [05:07] what good is it then? [05:08] It is good for using with a screen reader. :) [05:08] I am using it on one of my desktops at this very minute actually. [05:08] so is it talking at you? [05:08] Yes. [05:08] scary [05:09] sorry to ask, but are you speech impaired? or its basically an interest? [05:09] Not really. [05:09] does it do proper accents? :) [05:09] jsgotangco: I am vision impaired. [05:09] so that you can match up who's talking on irc with their accent? [05:09] ahh [05:09] ajmitch: Unfortunately not. [05:09] It does have an US english accent however. [05:09] a shame [05:09] 'mangled' [05:09] heh [05:09] at least it has a proper accent then ;-) [05:09] hehe [05:10] Actually, I am not sure whether I would find it easy to work with a speech synth with an Aussie English accent. [05:10] heh [05:10] I'd find it hard to interpret australian as well [05:10] so can you go the other way around and "talk" into the computer? [05:11] Now with a New Zealand accent, thats another story. :) [05:11] yeah, an NZ accent would be just fine [05:11] LaserJock: Not with this speech synth, no. There is software to do that, but as far as I know for Linux it is in its infancy. [05:11] since that's how mankind was intended to speak [05:11] TheMuso: so how do you type? braile? [05:11] LaserJock: No, just an ordinary computer keyboard. [05:12] ajmitch: yeah, whatever [05:12] I can read and write Braille however. [05:12] ajmutch: Fush and chups for dunner? [05:12] Sounds almost correct from my synth. :) [05:12] hah [05:12] TheMuso: so can you read the text at all? [05:12] LaserJock: On the screen, it depends. [05:13] I have enough sight, and also use a 21 inch monitor for other stuff as well. [05:13] I can use GNOME and FireFox when I need to for some websites that are very difficult to use speech with. [05:13] dang, that is fast then [05:13] I just turn up the font size in FireFox a couple of notches. [05:14] you'd hate the font size for my irc client then [05:14] Heh [05:15] I spend 99% of my time on the console. [05:15] I can imagine [05:15] although ASCII art might "sound" funny :-) [05:15] It cannot be spoken. [05:16] Any of you guys know whether we will also have net access from our rooms as well as in the conference area itself? [05:16] Or do we have to pay for that ourselves. === TheMuso was reading the website, and it stated that net access was available from rooms. [05:17] hmm, I wonder too === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] Heya Hobbsee [05:19] bah, do any of you use the "Connect to server" thing in Gnome? [05:19] morning bddebian :) [05:19] what's gnome? :P [05:19] i havent used it in kde though === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] LaserJock: Yes. [05:21] Hobbsee uses KDE..... mmmmmm [05:21] yes [05:21] Hobbsee: ;-P [05:21] :P [05:21] TheMuso: is it possible to save the info? [05:21] TheMuso: everytime I unmount it I have to put in all the info over again [05:21] All I do is create the connections, and levae their icons on the desktop if I know I will need them for an extended period of time. === Erlang tend to use Emacs more and more as his 'OS'. [05:22] Well don't unmount it. Nothing gets connected to/affected if you just leave it mounted. It is all done by the gnome-vfs layer AFAIK. [05:22] TheMuso: oh, ok [05:22] TheMuso: I thought maybe it would leave an ssh connection open or something, I'll have to test it [05:23] I dunno. But I know it seems fine for FTP stuff. [05:23] Erlang: yes, i'm one of those very scary people. [05:23] Hobbsee: that use KDE, or that use Emacs? [05:24] Erlang: that use kde [05:24] oh [05:24] Hey Hobbsee. How goes the world of Uni? [05:24] that's not so scrary. [05:24] I use KDE too. [05:24] TheMuso: it goes good, but my first exam is on thursday [05:24] No, Emacs is scary :-) [05:24] Yeah, Emacs makes me uberscary. [05:24] that it is [05:25] Emacs is scary, and so are Emacs. :) [05:26] I've renewed with the look of Visual Studio today, and i must admit I don't miss all that bling. But now I realise I'm off-topic so I'll shut. [05:26] Emacs is kinda like that Matrix stuff [05:26] Is there a #ubuntu-off-topic-for-developers channel? [05:26] Say what you want, Visual Studio has some nice stuff [05:27] Erlang: I though that was -motu :-) [05:27] what is Visual Studio for? [05:27] LaserJock: Making the boss $ [05:27] Heh [05:28] LaserJock: MS development [05:28] what language does it use? [05:28] C#, VB.NET, C++(.NET) [05:28] C, C++, C#, ASP, VB [05:29] wow, but no Python? ;-) [05:29] LaserJock: ActivePython can be plugged into it and it's pretty nice admitedly [05:29] Shockingly no ;-P [05:29] or is it Visual Python... in all cases, it's available from ActiveState. [05:33] I've never been impressed with how hard it was to program on Windows [05:34] everything seems to cost so much [05:34] Erlang: that's this one :P [05:34] How hard? It's very easy, which is part of the problem I suppose :-) [05:35] bddebian: bah, you've never made a plugin for Outlook I bet. [05:35] Nah, I've mostly done some ASP stuff and a little VB [05:35] bddebian: no, I mean to get compilers and stuff set up [05:36] ah [05:37] I remember when I was younger I wanted to learn C but I had a heck of a time finding a C compiler for Windows [05:37] that was something that really got me going on Linux [05:37] Gah, Borland has been around Forever :-) [05:37] I remeber downloading 11 floppy disks to get Debian on my old 386 because it had gcc on it [05:37] The guy that works on Windows at work, with Visual Studio and all has the most trouble. The other people use plain ol' Emacs and we have no blocker. [05:38] and then I never learned C because I had mor fun farting around in Linux :-) [05:39] I guess I was never meant to be a programmer ;-) [05:40] Me either :'-( [05:40] well duh, deities don't have to program === Erlang mails some self-confidence syrum to bddebian. [05:40] Gee thanks crimsun_, you always know how to make me feel "better" [05:40] bddebian: You are just very modist. === LaserJock injects it into him since he won't take it himself [05:41] bddebian: blame google, dude. They cached your wiki page. :p [05:41] LaserJock: Heh [05:41] besides, I think my brown paper bag bugs are holding their own tonight :( [05:42] brown paper bag bugs? [05:42] mistakes that are glaringly obvious [05:42] we all make them [05:42] true [05:42] heya ajmitch [05:43] hello [05:43] Nah, if you don't do anything, you don't make mistakes :) [05:43] bleh. i dont want to be reminded of glaringly obvious mistakes...i wonder if the floor ever did get cleaned. [05:43] heh [05:43] bddebian: must be why I don't make many [05:43] heh [05:43] We are only human after all. [05:43] ajmitch: Nah, it's cause you are so damn good :-) [05:45] don't I wish.. [05:50] bug 39315 [05:50] Malone bug 39315 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Keyboard random repeat " [High,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39315 [06:06] Hobbsee: oh "meany", tough words. I'm sure he's scared ;-) [06:07] LaserJock: hehe [06:07] heh [06:08] Hobbsee: I would think https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+changelog would say [06:08] except note the source package. [06:09] oh cool - hadnt seen that [06:09] Hobbsee: when it doubt, just start adding + on the end of LP URLs ;-) [06:10] hehe [06:12] poor BenC [06:12] getting picked on from all corners === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] meany girls. [06:14] yeah, definately [06:16] hmm, I wonder if it is bad that I'm making 3 bzr branches of the same thing on 3 different computers [06:16] yes [06:17] you could make a checkout or bound branch instead [06:17] otherwise it becomes more interesting trying to keep them merged === Hobbsee was surprised that so many people were watching what she said! [06:17] yeah, right now it's not bad but I was thinking that in the future it might get messy === Hobbsee goes back into a corner, and doesnt talk to the big and scary people [06:18] oh whatever Hobbsee, you know we love you :-) [06:18] LaserJock: is that good or bad? [06:18] good [06:18] at least I thought so [06:18] :-) [06:18] right. === bddebian hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs back [06:19] who's back? [06:19] :p [06:19] doh [06:19] :'-( === Hobbsee hugs bddebian, and throws a frisbee at crimsun_ [06:22]