[12:08] <pygi> hey hey Amaranth :P
[12:13] <sbartleylinux> ogra: ping
[12:18] <EmxBA> hi again!
[12:18] <lucasvo> 23:36 < lucasvo> EmxBA: wow. you are even younger than I am!!
[12:18] <lucasvo> 23:37 < lucasvo> 2 years. not much...
[12:18] <lucasvo> EmxBA: you are from bolivia?
[12:18] <lucasvo> chavez? :P
[12:18] <EmxBA> not bolivia
[12:18] <pygi> lucasvo, bleh
[12:19] <EmxBA> BOSNIA
[12:19] <pygi> Bosnia :P
[12:19] <lucasvo> oh
[12:19] <EmxBA> lucasvo, how do you know how old am I?
[12:19] <lucasvo> EmxBA: I read your wikipage
[12:19] <EmxBA> pylucasvo: really?
[12:19] <lucasvo> yes
[12:19] <EmxBA> what do you think about it=
[12:19] <lucasvo> nice
[12:19] <EmxBA> :-)
[12:19] <EmxBA> tnx
[12:20] <EmxBA> so how old are you
[12:20] <lucasvo> 16
[12:20] <EmxBA> 14+2= 16
[12:20] <EmxBA> :-)
[12:20] <EmxBA> till now you were the youngest
[12:20] <EmxBA> hehe
[12:20] <EmxBA> now it's me
[12:20] <EmxBA> :-P
[12:20] <crimsun_> (you are going to need a wiki page sooner than later if you plan to apply for membership...)
[12:21] <lucasvo> yep
[12:21] <lucasvo> crimsun_: yes
[12:21] <EmxBA> higvoltage, are you sleeping or what ?
[12:21] <lucasvo> crimsun_: but atm I don't have time for it
[12:21] <bluekuja> pygi: mario!!
[12:21] <EmxBA> lucasvo: where do you live
[12:21] <pygi> bluekuja, what!!
[12:21] <EmxBA> bluekuja: oh, hi
[12:21] <bluekuja> hello EmxBA :)
[12:21] <lucasvo> crimsun_: and if I don't even have time for the wikipage it's probably not very usefull for applying as a member ship
[12:21] <EmxBA> how are you
[12:21] <pygi> what's up andrea? :)
[12:21] <lucasvo> EmxBA: switzerland
[12:21] <EmxBA> nice
[12:21] <bluekuja> pygi: i just went home from party
[12:22] <lucasvo> buongiorno bluekuja 
[12:22] <pygi> ah, was it good? :)
[12:22] <bluekuja> EmxBA: I'm really good
[12:22] <EmxBA> bluekuja, do you know is higvoltage sleeping or away or what
[12:22] <EmxBA> i need him 
[12:22] <EmxBA> :-)
[12:22] <lucasvo> EmxBA: he is probably away
[12:22] <bluekuja> lucasvo: it's buonanotte now :)
[12:22] <lucasvo> EmxBA: what do you need him for?
[12:22] <lucasvo> bluekuja: no
[12:22] <lucasvo> a new day just started
[12:22] <bluekuja> EmxBA: he's away
[12:22] <EmxBA> i want to become a member of edubuntu-doc
[12:22] <pygi> lucasvo, he want to become ubuntu-doc member :P
[12:22] <lucasvo> oh
[12:22] <EmxBA> i just want to write documents 
[12:23] <EmxBA> for edubuntu :-))))))
[12:23] <bluekuja> lucasvo: oh cool
[12:23] <EmxBA> realy
[12:23] <lucasvo> EmxBA: you can write without being a member
[12:23] <EmxBA> ok
[12:23] <bluekuja> lucasvo: it's night here :)
[12:23] <lucasvo> bluekuja: my italian grade is not so cool
[12:23] <crimsun_> lucasvo: understood, but time is something you make.
[12:23] <EmxBA> i can write few nice docs
[12:23] <lucasvo> bluekuja: yeah here to
[12:23] <bluekuja> pygi: party was great
[12:23] <EmxBA> and can i become member when i write my first docs?
[12:23] <lucasvo> crimsun_: yes. and at the moment I really don't want to drop out of school
[12:23] <pygi> bluekuja, nice to hear that :)
[12:24] <crimsun_> lucasvo: good, don't.
[12:24] <EmxBA> pygi, have you read my wiki page?
[12:24] <bluekuja> pygi: I've met a really cool girl
[12:24] <lucasvo> bluekuja: congrats
[12:24] <pygi> EmxBA, don't have time for that, sorry :P
[12:24] <bluekuja> lucasvo: :D 
[12:24] <EmxBA> pygi: no problems
[12:24] <EmxBA> bluekuja: how old are you
[12:25] <bluekuja> lucasvo: it's not a normal girl eh
[12:25] <EmxBA> i am 14 :-)
[12:25] <bluekuja> 18 man :)
[12:25] <EmxBA> the youngest member of #edubuntu
[12:25] <bluekuja> mmm.... yes
[12:25] <EmxBA> probably the youngest of all *ubuntu teams
[12:25] <EmxBA> right?
[12:25] <bluekuja> yeah maybe
[12:25] <EmxBA> :D
[12:25] <bluekuja> EmxBA, your wiki page link?
[12:25] <EmxBA> should i get a reward :-)
[12:26] <EmxBA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic
[12:26] <lucasvo> ok, I am of to sleep
[12:26] <bluekuja> lucasvo, cya I'm off too, i gonna write some sms
[12:26] <pygi> enjoy bluekuja :P
[12:26] <pygi> time to continue work tommorow :P
[12:26] <lucasvo> bluekuja: why don't you invite her over? it's easier to talk or whatever not sms :P
[12:26] <bluekuja> pygi, 10 more minutes
[12:26] <pygi> (today that is :P)
[12:27] <bluekuja> lucasvo: i know, we are quite far away
[12:27] <bluekuja> so the only way now is sms
[12:27] <bluekuja> until friday
[12:27] <lucasvo> EmxBA: yes, and I should be jealous
[12:27] <EmxBA> heh
[12:27] <lucasvo> :P
[12:27] <EmxBA> :)
[12:27] <bluekuja> lucasvo: how old are you?
[12:27] <lucasvo> bluekuja: 16
[12:28] <lucasvo> bluekuja: where do you live?
[12:28] <EmxBA> who's the eldest ubuntu member :-)
[12:28] <bluekuja> lucasvo: italy
[12:28] <EmxBA> i live in bosnia
[12:28] <EmxBA> near mario :D
[12:28] <lucasvo> bluekuja: north, south?
[12:28] <bluekuja> north :)
[12:28] <lucasvo> bluekuja: I am going to apullia this summer
[12:28] <bluekuja> apullia??
[12:28] <bluekuja> whats that?
[12:28] <EmxBA> pygi, i voted 10 :D
[12:29] <lucasvo> hm, ok. in german it's apulien. It's in the very south of italy
[12:29] <lucasvo> bluekuja: what is this area called?
[12:29] <bluekuja> do you mean sicily?
[12:30] <lucasvo> bluekuja: no
[12:30] <lucasvo> it's in the east
[12:30] <bluekuja> oh puglia?
[12:30] <lucasvo> could be
[12:30] <bluekuja> marche?
[12:30] <bluekuja> basilicata?
[12:30] <lucasvo> puglia
[12:30] <bluekuja> oh nice
[12:30] <lucasvo> it will be hot
[12:30] <bluekuja> well we are quite far away
[12:30] <EmxBA>  bluekuja, just a question
[12:31] <bluekuja> 300 or more km
[12:31] <EmxBA> how can i do that thing which all of you do
[12:31] <EmxBA> which mario did
[12:31] <EmxBA> i mean something like ***emx is youngest member
[12:31] <lucasvo> bluekuja: I am probably nearer to you in zurich than in south italy
[12:31] <lucasvo> EmxBA: /me blah?
[12:31] <EmxBA> yes, that
[12:32] <bluekuja> just do /me etc
[12:32] <EmxBA> hehe
[12:32] <bluekuja> dont put your name
[12:32] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:32] <EmxBA> ok
[12:32] <bluekuja> lucasvo, yeah
[12:32] <bluekuja> we can meet if you want
[12:32] <lucasvo> ->Brian adams
[12:33] <lucasvo> bluekuja: when I settled things in school, why not?
[12:33] <bluekuja> great
[12:33] <EmxBA> thatis edubuntu
[12:33] <EmxBA> :D
[12:33] <lucasvo> cya guys
[12:33] <bluekuja> cya man take care
[12:34] <pygi> EmxBA, bleh
[12:34] <EmxBA> hehe
[12:34] <pygi> only english here :P
[12:34] <bluekuja> lol
[12:34] <lucasvo> ok, just finished packing my schoolbag.
[12:34] <lucasvo> bluekuja: how old are you? btw
[12:34] <bluekuja> pygi: i decided to write sms here, so we can stay together
[12:34] <EmxBA> pygi, ok
[12:34] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:35] <pygi> lucasvo, she told you :P
[12:35] <EmxBA> again i congratulate on wonderful app
[12:35] <bluekuja> lucasvo: I'm 18
[12:35] <pygi> bleh, ignore me :P
[12:36] <crimsun_> geez, younguns.
[12:36] <bluekuja> it's correct that i said it
[12:36] <bluekuja> but you alwais write "she"
[12:36] <bluekuja> lol
[12:36] <pygi> bleh :P
[12:36] <lucasvo> he confused me
[12:36] <EmxBA> hehe
[12:36] <EmxBA> lol
[12:36] <lucasvo> I knew Andrea is a boys name in italian
[12:36] <EmxBA> she or he? to be or not to be :-)
[12:36] <EmxBA> no...
[12:36] <bluekuja> lucasvo, yes
[12:37] <lucasvo> bluekuja: in german it's both
[12:37] <bluekuja> it's both male and female
[12:37] <EmxBA> for me that is female name :)
[12:37] <EmxBA> just a joke
[12:37] <pygi> bleh, sorry bluekuja :P
[12:37] <bluekuja> pygi: you're alwais great :D
[12:37] <pygi> bleh :P
[12:37] <EmxBA> pygi: is bonfire added to multiverse
[12:37] <pygi> EmxBA, lol, why multiverse
[12:38] <bluekuja> :D
[12:38] <EmxBA> maybe universe
[12:38] <EmxBA> i voted for bonfire
[12:38] <EmxBA> now it is 9.14 !
[12:38] <pygi> neither universe
[12:38] <bluekuja> pygi: fixed errors I told you before?
[12:38] <EmxBA> :)
[12:38] <pygi> bonfire cannot go in Dapper
[12:39] <EmxBA> why?
[12:39] <pygi> bluekuja, nop, I am afraid you'll have to do it :P
[12:39] <bluekuja> it's not gnome-version
[12:39] <bluekuja> compatible
[12:39] <EmxBA> these are rpms
[12:39] <EmxBA> and sources
[12:39] <EmxBA> :(
[12:39] <bluekuja> pygi: ok then
[12:39] <pygi> bluekuja, I am no expert with rpm stuff :P
[12:39] <pygi> EmxBA, you need gnome 2.14.2
[12:39] <EmxBA> pygi, can i translate it to bosnian?
[12:39] <bluekuja> ok, I'll do it
[12:40] <EmxBA> i have gnome 2.14.1
[12:40] <EmxBA> how do i update it
[12:40] <EmxBA> sudo apt-get install gdm?
[12:40] <bluekuja> EmxBA: do i accepted you into -testers?
[12:41] <pygi> bluekuja, thanks :)
[12:41] <pygi> EmxBA, yup, sure :)
[12:41] <pygi> EmxBA, dapper doesnt have new gnome :P
[12:41] <EmxBA> bluekujea: edubuntu-testers?
[12:42] <bluekuja> yes
[12:42] <EmxBA> bluekuja: yes you have accepted me
[12:42] <EmxBA> tnx
[12:43] <bluekuja> great, i hope you have read the wiki page
[12:43] <pygi> EmxBA, why do you wanna be member of every possible team on the LP planet? :-/
[12:43] <bluekuja> about the team
[12:43] <EmxBA> i have read
[12:43] <EmxBA> i am downloading Edubuntu 6.06
[12:43] <EmxBA> takes much
[12:44] <EmxBA> i know what should i test, check, submit
[12:44] <pygi> bluekuja, thanks, now we'll have it in both gentoo and Redhat thingy :)
[12:44] <pygi> and soon, very soon in Debian/Ubuntu;)
[12:45] <EmxBA> pygi: i do not want to become member of all teams
[12:45] <EmxBA> just Edubuntu teams
[12:45] <bluekuja> pygi: happy to sponsor a great package
[12:45] <EmxBA> and few ubuntu
[12:45] <pygi> EmxBA, bleh, that qualifies as "all" in my eyes :P
[12:45] <EmxBA> all edubuntu teams
[12:45] <EmxBA> not "all" teams
[12:46] <pygi> you need that for every team you have duties? :)
[12:46] <EmxBA> i don't understand you :)
[12:46] <pygi> s/need/understand
[12:47] <EmxBA>  ?
[12:47] <pygi> ergh, every team you are in brings certain responsibilities
[12:47] <EmxBA> i know
[12:47] <EmxBA> i know that
[12:48] <pygi> rather concentrate on few or even one of them
[12:48] <pygi> and do quality job
[12:48] <EmxBA> every team has "rules" and certain  responsibility
[12:48] <EmxBA> ok, good advice
[12:48] <EmxBA> tnx :)
[12:49] <bluekuja> pygi: I'm building it on my chroot 
[12:50] <EmxBA> bluekuja, is it ok now
[12:50] <EmxBA> see https://launchpad.net/people/emxba
[12:50] <EmxBA> i am just member of few edubuntu teams
[12:50] <bluekuja> yeah, coc is signed correctly
[12:51] <EmxBA> i know
[12:51] <EmxBA> and i got OpenPGP key
[12:51] <EmxBA> is my picture ok?
[12:51] <EmxBA> i have few similar which i created from original edubuntu logo
[12:52] <bluekuja> nice
[12:52] <EmxBA> is it ok now?
[12:52] <EmxBA> glass effect
[12:52] <bluekuja> if you want to contribute to artwork
[12:52] <bluekuja> just talk with jane
[12:52] <EmxBA> yes, i want
[12:52] <bluekuja> or jonathan
[12:52] <EmxBA> jane?
[12:52] <bluekuja> ogra too
[12:52] <EmxBA> is ogra here?
[12:53] <EmxBA> jonathan is away
[12:53] <bluekuja> oliver will help you with that too
[12:53] <EmxBA> is this image good?
[12:53] <EmxBA> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3026117/cubism.png
[12:53] <crimsun_> EmxBA: I think your wiki page is a bit redundant. There's no need to list the teams of which you're a part, since they're already linked in your LP page. :)
[12:53] <EmxBA> crimsun_: ok
[12:53] <crimsun_> EmxBA: otherwise, they both look good.
[12:53] <EmxBA> i just thoght that it would be ok
[12:54] <crimsun_> EmxBA: well sure, it's /your/ wiki page, do whatever. My suggestion is that you concentrate on documenting what you do in {Ed,}ubuntu
[12:54] <EmxBA> ok
[12:54] <EmxBA> bluekuja, is it better now :)
[12:54] <EmxBA> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3026118/gray.PNG
[12:55] <bluekuja> try to create a wallpaper
[12:55] <EmxBA> ?
[12:55] <bluekuja> it would be nice to see what can you do
[12:55] <EmxBA> which consist of all these small pictures?
[12:55] <bluekuja> no
[12:55] <EmxBA> and this one: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3026119/orange.png
[12:56] <EmxBA> or red one:http://librarian.launchpad.net/3026120/red.png
[12:56] <EmxBA> or blue:http://librarian.launchpad.net/3026121/blue.png
[12:56] <EmxBA> if edubuntu becomes kedubuntu :D
[12:57] <EmxBA> crimsun_: i changed it now 
[12:57] <EmxBA> bluekuja
[12:58] <bluekuja> well, they are nice but try to create something new, special
[12:59] <EmxBA> maybe same logo just changed a lot 
[12:59] <bluekuja> are you good with design stuff=
[12:59] <bluekuja> ?
[12:59] <EmxBA> in which meaning
[01:02] <EmxBA> bluekuja, i would appeciate if you would talk to jonathan or someone who is admin on that artwork project for edubuntu
[01:03] <EmxBA> bluekuja, i can't wait any longer
[01:03] <EmxBA> i really need some rest
[01:03] <EmxBA> contact me at emx@linux.org.ba
[01:03] <EmxBA> emx AT linux DOT org DOT ba
[01:03] <bluekuja> EmxBA: sorry to answer slow
[01:03] <EmxBA> :D
[01:03] <EmxBA> i know you are busy
[01:03] <EmxBA> on all those channels
[01:03] <EmxBA> :D
[01:03] <EmxBA> so i gotta go
[01:04] <EmxBA> say what you need to say
[01:04] <EmxBA> now or never :)
[01:04] <bluekuja> lol
[01:04] <EmxBA> just kidding
[01:04] <bluekuja> cya man
[01:04] <bluekuja> see you
[01:04] <EmxBA> see ya
[01:04] <EmxBA> an the artwork?
[01:04] <EmxBA> who should i contact, bluekuja
[01:04] <bluekuja> jane
[01:05] <EmxBA> is that her nick
[01:05] <bluekuja> JaneW
[01:05] <bluekuja> nickname
[01:05] <EmxBA> ok
[01:05] <EmxBA> and ogra
[01:05] <EmxBA> ?
[01:05] <EmxBA> JaneW is not online now
[01:05] <bluekuja> you can ask him too
[01:05] <EmxBA> ok
[01:06] <EmxBA> see ya all
[01:08] <ogra> meh, i missed sbartleylinux ...
[01:09] <ogra> bluekuja, please dont point people to jane anymore, she has her last day tomorrow
[01:09] <ogra> (and wont have the time to do any edubuntu stuff in her new job)
[01:10] <bluekuja> ogra: ok oliver sorry, i didnt know that
[01:10] <bluekuja> i'll point people to you then .D
[01:10] <bluekuja> :D
[01:10] <ogra> it was announced in one of the last meetings
[01:10] <ogra> but wasnt made very public so was easy to miss
[01:11] <bluekuja> ok perfect, meeting tomorrow?
[01:11] <ogra> yep
[01:12] <bluekuja> ok perfect, i need to add 2 points
[01:12] <bluekuja> to the agend
[01:12] <bluekuja> a
[01:12] <ogra> doit :)
[01:12] <bluekuja> what time?
[01:13] <bluekuja> 12:00 utc as usually?
[01:13] <ogra> as every second one, yesw
[01:13] <ogra> *yes
[01:14] <bluekuja> ok, great . It's a good time
[01:17] <bluekuja> ogra: so jane won't be in #edubuntu ?
[01:17] <ogra> she'll be here for the meeting tomorrow, but then leave canonical for a new job ...
[01:17] <ogra> i think she plans to be around occasionally, but wont take any responsibilities
[01:18] <bluekuja> aww :( 
[01:19] <bluekuja> no good news
[01:19] <ogra> well, it was her choice
[01:20] <ogra> i'm not thrilled either...
[01:21] <bluekuja> you don't know more about it? I mean, she was unhappy with her work?
[01:22] <ogra> its hard to keep a real life intact in that job ... and you are at home but have to send your kids away because youre busy on irc 
[01:23] <ogra> i can imagine how that might get hard ...
[01:23] <bluekuja> yeah, that's true
[01:23] <ogra> so i can understand her decision to work from an office thats not your living room and where someone sends you home at some point 
[01:24] <bluekuja> yeah, exactly. Anyway I'm unhappy for her
[01:24] <ogra> (dunno if she has a separate office or not, but you get what i mean)
[01:25] <bluekuja> she was a really good person
[01:25] <ogra> yep
[01:25] <ogra> it will have a non trivial impact that she leaves ... 
[01:25] <bluekuja> yeah...
[01:26] <bluekuja> i hope to meet her again
[01:26] <bluekuja> (tomorrow as you said)
[01:31] <bluekuja> ogra: I add points on agenda and I'm off to bed
[01:32] <bluekuja> :)
[01:32] <ogra> night then :)
[01:32] <bluekuja> cya, goodnight to you too :)
[01:32] <ogra> hmm, i dont see any changes on the agenda
[01:33] <ogra> are you sure you used the right wikipage ? 
[01:33] <bluekuja> editing it right now 
[01:34] <bluekuja> i ping you when done
[01:34] <ogra> no need to, i'm subscribed
[01:37] <bluekuja> oh oki
[01:37] <bluekuja> done, see you tomorrow
[01:37] <bluekuja> cya :)
[01:40] <ogra> ciao
[01:45] <LaserJock> ogra: edubunt-dynamic-menus are now High priority :-)
[01:45] <ogra> yep
[01:46] <LaserJock> what exactly does that mean?
[01:46] <ogra> i had marked it medium but mdz thinks its high :)
[01:46] <ogra> the higher the prio the likelier it gets implemented 
[01:46] <LaserJock> so who decides who works on it? is that part of the specing process?
[01:47] <ogra> yep
[01:47] <ogra> done by sabdfl, mdz and Keybuk atm
[01:47] <LaserJock> TB?
[01:48] <ogra> yup
[01:48] <LaserJock> they do like to crack the whip don't they :-)
[01:48] <ogra> heh, probably :)
[01:51] <LaserJock> how come the CD diet still undefined?
[01:51] <ogra> hrm
[01:52] <ogra> LaserJock, mdz didnnt consider it a spec, he wants subspecs for every single task (while i just wanted a final seedlist after the BOF discussion)
[01:53] <LaserJock> oh
[01:53] <ogra> yeah
[01:54] <ogra> s/final/semi final, modulo development changes indeed/
[01:55] <LaserJock> hmm, so a spec for each addition/removal?
[01:56] <ogra> seems like 
[01:56] <ogra> the CD diet has also no priority ...
[01:57] <ogra> we can drop develpment completely if it isnt implemented in edgy since we have nop opportunity to make more room, so i had marked it essential initially, but well 
[01:57] <LaserJock> do we really need TB approval for it?
[01:58] <LaserJock> I would think you would just redo the seeds ;-)
[01:58] <ogra> well, i wanted to have time to review and measure during the BOFs
[01:58] <ogra> to determine the best for us ...
[01:59] <LaserJock> but can we (EC and anybody else who's in Paris) do it anyway?
[01:59] <ogra> but i tend to agree, lets rather drop it and i'll just do the changes, it will be a lot of extra unnecessary paperwork to spec every change
[02:00] <LaserJock> I mean, I can see specing the drop of the KDE apps
[02:00] <ogra> (that was the intention to do this rather global spec)
[02:00] <LaserJock> but every little things seems a bit excessive
[02:02] <ogra> as long as we stay with these two suggestions already listed there, it wont be much work, but i was hoping to get a bigger list through the discussion
[02:04] <LaserJock> I sure wish it was easier to deviate from ubuntu-desktop and pull in some Universe apps
[02:04] <LaserJock> but I guess Main needs to be Main :-)
[02:04] <ogra> yep
[02:09] <bddebian> Hello
[02:36] <cbx33> ogra, for my Ad authentication spec
[02:36] <cbx33> do i change from braindump to something else for it to be looked at?
[02:37] <ogra> did you add it to the spec tracker and the paris meeting ? 
[02:37] <cbx33> no
[02:37] <cbx33> I made the spec by monday like you said
[02:38] <cbx33> and i linked it on your edgy ideas page
[02:39] <cbx33> what else do I need to do
[02:39] <cbx33> heno was keen that i put it forward
[02:39] <ogra> there is no spec yet, only a wikipage
[02:40] <ogra> oh, there is a spec page as well now
[02:40] <ogra> wasnt there when i looked last
[02:41] <ogra> just add it to the paris meeting, then it will shw up in the right tracker
[02:57] <cbx33> there was a spec, but it' sok
[02:58] <cbx33> ogra, how do I add it
[02:58] <cbx33> sorry it's 2am here and I've just repainted the bathroom
[02:59] <LaserJock> cbx33: hehe, getting high on paint fumes? ;-)
[03:00] <ogra> cbx33, its 3am here and i just packed my office into boxes while discussing bugs in #ubuntu-bugs and a spec about dropping source packages from ubuntu in -meeting 
[03:00] <cbx33> ok ogra you win
[03:00] <cbx33> head bleeds
[03:00] <ogra> cbx33, but i'd use the "add to meeting" link to add a spec to a meeting ;)
[03:14] <cbx33> done
[03:17] <cbx33> ogra, I forgot to add a spec to the edgy ideas page
[03:17] <cbx33> is it now too late?
[03:18] <ogra> all that counts in launchpad
[03:19] <cbx33> ok
[03:19] <cbx33> I need a wiki page for it
[03:19] <ogra> s/in/is
[03:21] <cbx33> oh i already did it
[03:21] <cbx33> ok added
[03:21] <cbx33> that's two specs
[03:21] <cbx33> did you see heno's mail?
[03:22] <ogra> yep
[03:23] <cbx33> right I've added those specs, I'll see if they get approved or declined
[03:23] <cbx33> right now I'm shattered
[03:23] <cbx33> been up for 21 hours no real record for you guys but....for me ...I'm dead on my feet
[03:25] <cbx33> how often do the specs get updated?
[03:26] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[03:27] <cbx33> when do i find out if they have been approved or declined
[03:28] <LaserJock> not exactly sure
[03:28] <LaserJock> the TB when through them earlier today
[03:31] <cbx33> TB?
[04:53] <Amaranth> dbus is a PITA
[04:54] <bimberi> Amaranth: BayesWatch ?
[04:54] <Amaranth> heh
[04:55] <Amaranth> no, it's how the pygtk capplet and safetyboat will send training data to the proxy
[04:57] <bimberi> kk, i meant "BayesWatch" as a suggested name btw :P
[07:03] <cbx33> hi all
[07:04] <Laser_away> hi Pete
[07:08] <cbx33> hi Laser_away 
[07:09] <cbx33> had....2 hours sleep :(
[07:10] <crimsun_> don't mind Laser_away, he's playing ET.
[07:10] <cbx33> noway
[07:11] <crimsun_> he'll vehemently deny it, of course...
[07:11] <cbx33> of course
[07:11] <crimsun_> "just wanted to test the intel mac" and more excuses we've heard before :p
[07:11] <Laser_away> crimsun_: whatever, I should never have told you I downloaded it
[07:11] <cbx33> hahahah
[07:11] <crimsun_> yeah, you're up a creek now.
[07:12] <cbx33> I suppose I should go make my breakfast
[07:12] <Laser_away> I'm on to bigger and better thing, how do I get a web server and moin wiki up before the wife gets out of the shower :-)
[07:13] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install ......
[07:13] <Laser_away> yeah, I getting there
[07:14] <cbx33> I think my eyes are actually falling out of their sockets
[07:14] <Laser_away> heh, mine will be at the meeting
[07:14] <Laser_away> ok, I'm off now
[07:17] <cbx33> byw Laser_away 
[07:18] <crimsun_> 'night
[09:07] <crimsun_> err, aren't pygi and HedgeMage already edubuntu members?
[09:09] <HedgeMage> yep
[09:09] <HedgeMage> we were voted in last week
[09:10] <crimsun_> thought so. (It would be nice if it were adjusted on aforementioned wiki page, since I don't remember the date off the top of my head :)
[09:11] <HedgeMage> go for it :)  I'm trying to wrap up here so I can get some sleep.  I am exhausted.
[09:12] <crimsun_> sure, which day was it?
[09:12] <crimsun_> the 7th, I presume
[09:16] <HedgeMage> something like that :)
[09:16] <HedgeMage> hi again cbx33, get any sleep yet?
[09:16] <cbx33> 2 hours
[09:16] <cbx33> howz the site going?
[09:21] <jeffwaddell> anyone around?
[09:25] <HedgeMage> kind of
[09:25] <HedgeMage> cbx33: almost done, just adding the FAQ and stuff
[09:25] <HedgeMage> cbx33: the design is "done" for some value thereof, I'm sure I'll tweak it as we go.
[09:28] <HedgeMage> cbx33: connection issues?
[09:28] <HedgeMage> cbex, even
[09:29] <cbex> no firefox crashed on me
[09:29] <HedgeMage> awww
[09:33] <crimsun_> 'afternoon, JaneW 
[09:34] <JaneW> hello
[09:36] <HedgeMage> hi JaneW 
[09:37] <JaneW> hi HedgeMage :)
[09:38] <cbex> hey JaneW 
[09:39] <JaneW> hi cbx33 :)
[09:49] <cbx33> grrr this is doing my head in
[09:49] <cbx33> there must be a way to convert a string to a proper escaped filename
[09:49] <cbx33> in python
[09:49] <cbx33> but I can't find it
[09:53] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[09:53] <EmxBA> hehe
[09:53] <EmxBA> pygi , hi!
[09:54] <EmxBA> bluekuja:hi, Andrea
[09:54] <EmxBA> ogra: hi
[09:56] <cbx33> hi EmxBA 
[09:56] <EmxBA> hi cbx33 :)
[09:56] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[09:56] <pygi> hey hey cbx33 ;)
[09:56] <cbx33> I think I must be being stupid
[09:56] <cbx33> I have areally quick python question
[09:56] <cbx33> but it's been driving me nuts
[09:56] <cbx33> Pete
[09:57] <EmxBA> pete savage?
[09:57] <cbx33> indeed
[09:57] <EmxBA> something like that...
[09:57] <cbx33> pygi: how can i convert a string which has a filename and contains spaces to a proper escaped file name for use in a shell?
[09:57] <EmxBA> i have a really easy question
[09:57] <cbx33> like my file.txt >> my\ file.txt
[09:58] <cbx33> shoot EmxBA 
[09:58] <EmxBA> how can i make a script which will list numbers from 1 to 2000 (for example) and put them into file
[09:58] <EmxBA> ...something>file.txt
[09:58] <EmxBA> but what?
[09:58] <cbx33> on a new line?
[09:59] <EmxBA> no....something for i=1 to 2000 echo i
[09:59] <EmxBA> next i
[09:59] <EmxBA> but that isn't being used in linux, i suppose
[09:59] <EmxBA> ?
[10:00] <pygi> cbx33, you could always go throught string, and if you find " ", then add "\"
[10:00] <cbx33> what about ( and )
[10:00] <EmxBA> pygi,can you help me
[10:00] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: are you going to be able to make tomorrow's Cookbook meeting?
[10:01] <EmxBA> erm...yes
[10:01] <EmxBA> what do i need to do
[10:01] <HedgeMage> mostly just show up :)
[10:01] <EmxBA> on IRC, right?
[10:01] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: if you're on the edubuntu-devel list, we're having some pre-meeting discussions there.
[10:01] <HedgeMage> yep, #ubuntu-meeting
[10:01] <EmxBA> ok
[10:02] <EmxBA> tomorrow?
[10:02] <HedgeMage> Thursday at 20:00 UTC
[10:02] <pygi> HedgeMage, I just hope I'll be able to attend :-/
[10:02] <HedgeMage> (tomorrow for me, don't know what time zone you're in)
[10:02] <EmxBA> it's ok
[10:02] <HedgeMage> pygi: I hope so too, if you miss this one we'll understand, it was scheduled very last-minute
[10:02] <EmxBA> currently for me it is 10:02 UTC
[10:03] <EmxBA> shouldn't I make any plans
[10:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, well, mostly because I'll be unavailable for almost entire week from tommorow :-/
[10:03] <HedgeMage> pygi: heading for Paris?
[10:03] <pygi> EmxBA, it's not 10:02 UTC for you :P it's 8:02 for you
[10:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, nop, not going to paris
[10:03] <EmxBA> pygi, i though right now it is 10:02 UTC for me
[10:03] <HedgeMage> ahh, well hopefully it's something equally interesting :)
[10:04] <pygi> HedgeMage, not really :P
[10:04] <EmxBA> timezone=sarajevo
[10:04] <pygi> EmxBA, it's 8:02 UTC for you, and be shhh :)
[10:04] <EmxBA> you mean now?
[10:04] <pygi> yes :P
[10:04] <EmxBA> or tomorrow?
[10:04] <pygi> bleh
[10:04] <HedgeMage> pygi: UTC is UTC, timezones are offset from UTC :P
[10:04] <EmxBA> well in sarajevo it is 10:04. shhhhhh!
[10:04] <pygi> HedgeMage, he doesn't get it :P
[10:04] <EmxBA> i know what you want to say
[10:05] <pygi> EmxBA, ofcourse, but not 10:04 UTC for sure :P
[10:05] <EmxBA> in sarajevo it is not UTC :-)
[10:05] <pygi> o joy, he got it
[10:05] <EmxBA> :)
[10:05] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: the meeting is 36 hours from now, does that help?
[10:05] <EmxBA> ok, ok, i get it :)
[10:05] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:06] <HedgeMage> I could never keep track of time zones until I became a military wife, now it's a survival skill
[10:06] <pygi> look at the comments ;)
[10:06] <pygi> http://www.gnomefiles.org/comment.php?soft_id=1158#5494
[10:06] <HedgeMage> brb
[10:06] <pygi> oki
[10:06] <EmxBA> pygi: what's up in Croatia :-)
[10:07] <cbx33> EmxBA: ((i=0)); while [ "$i" != "1000" ] ; do echo $i; ((i += 1)); done>out.txt
[10:07] <cbx33> is that what you're after?
[10:07] <EmxBA> yes
[10:07] <EmxBA> let me try it...
[10:07] <EmxBA> brb
[10:08] <cbx33> pygi: there must be a built in function to encode a string to a shell-esque escaped filename
[10:08] <cbx33> I used to get round it using quote marks
[10:08] <EmxBA> how can i make it with strings, not with numbers, cbx33
[10:09] <EmxBA> i mean pete :-P
[10:09] <cbx33> call me cbx33, then it highlights the messages :p
[10:09] <EmxBA> ok
[10:09] <cbx33> EmxBA: what do you mean?
[10:09] <cbx33> One Two Three?
[10:09] <EmxBA> i want to get a file which consists (for example) of Number:1 to Number:2000
[10:09] <EmxBA> instead of numbers i want strings
[10:10] <EmxBA> maybe i$
[10:10] <cbx33> give me two lines of what the file should look like
[10:10] <pygi> cbx33, indeed, you are right
[10:11] <cbx33> but I've looked high and low on the net and I can't find one, either that or no one has ever needed to do this before
[10:11] <cbx33> but now I need to wrap the entire command in quotes
[10:11] <cbx33> which is where that original method falls down
[10:11] <EmxBA> [[Category:Years|1] ] 
[10:11] <EmxBA> [[Category:Years|2] ] 
[10:11] <EmxBA> ...
[10:11] <EmxBA> [[Category:Years|999] ] 
[10:11] <EmxBA> [[Category:Years|1000] ] 
[10:12] <EmxBA> like that
[10:12] <cbx33> ok
[10:12] <EmxBA> anyway, tnx
[10:13] <cbx33> EmxBA: ((i=0)); while [ "$i" != "1000" ] ; do echo "[[Category:Years|"$i"] ] "; ((i += 1)); done>out.txt
[10:13] <cbx33> try that
[10:13] <HedgeMage> back
[10:13] <EmxBA> thanks a lot, cbx33
[10:13] <EmxBA> i learned something new :)
[10:14] <pygi> wb HedgeMage 
[10:14] <HedgeMage> pygi: very cool
[10:14] <HedgeMage> pygi: nice feedback :)
[10:18] <cbx33> this should work right?
[10:18] <cbx33> gksudo 'tar -czvf "ack bogie.tar.gz" out.txt'
[10:18] <cbx33> ah no it doesn't but this does
[10:18] <cbx33> tar -czvf "ack bogie.tar.gz" out.txt
[10:18] <cbx33> grr, so I can't use double sets of quotes
[10:19] <EmxBA> hi highvoltage
[10:19] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[10:19] <highvoltage> hi EmxBA and cbx33. how are you this morning?
[10:20] <cbx33> tired
[10:20] <EmxBA> nice...you?
[10:20] <cbx33> 2 hours sleep dur to redecorating
[10:20] <EmxBA> i am sick
[10:20] <EmxBA> not a lot
[10:20] <highvoltage> like a cold?
[10:20] <EmxBA> yes
[10:20] <cbx33> :(
[10:20] <EmxBA> very strange in the almost summer :)
[10:21] <highvoltage> perhaps it's allergies?
[10:21] <EmxBA> no
[10:21] <EmxBA> just a cold
[10:21] <EmxBA> hm...hedgemage said "EmxBA: are you going to be able to make tomorrow's Cookbook meeting?"
[10:21] <EmxBA> what has he meant by that
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage: thankx for the feedback on the open cd
[10:21] <EmxBA> you expect me to show up on ubuntu-meeting?
[10:22] <pygi> EmxBA, first of all, it's she (at least I think :P)
[10:22] <pygi> Second of all ...
[10:22] <pygi> why you responded if you don't know what she was talking about?
[10:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: it's strange that someone didn't think of it before, great idea, btw.
[10:22] <pygi> cbx33, yes? :)
[10:22] <cbx33> how do you suggest i proceed?
[10:22] <EmxBA> or something more? I would like to do anything I should (plan something or something like that)
[10:22] <cbx33> make my own fuction
[10:22] <pygi> cbx33, yup :)
[10:23] <EmxBA> pygi, i answered because i know what she was taking about, just I was never on Edubuntu Meetings :-)
[10:23] <cbx33> :(
[10:26] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: I was just wondering if you will be in #ubuntu-meeting for the meeting, since you applied to join the team on launchpad :)
[10:26] <EmxBA> I wil be there, i think
[10:26] <EmxBA> *will, maybe, 80 % sure
[10:26] <HedgeMage> okay :)
[10:26] <EmxBA> ok
[10:27] <EmxBA> *thought
[10:27] <HedgeMage> nope, I'm a woman :)
[10:27] <HedgeMage> no big deal, almost everyone does that when they first meet me on IRC :)
[10:27] <EmxBA> ok...
[10:28] <EmxBA> where does GNOME keep GDM themes?
[10:29] <cbx33> um
[10:29] <cbx33>  /usr/share/gdm/themes?
[10:29] <EmxBA> brb
[10:29] <cbx33> pygi: do you not agree that that is silly, there should be a function for that
[10:30] <pygi> cbx33, I do agree :P
[10:30] <EmxBA> cbx33: yes, /usr/share/gdm/themes/
[10:32] <EmxBA> did anyone had problems with connecting to FTP server using gFTP
[10:32] <EmxBA> i use passive mode and i connect ok
[10:32] <EmxBA> "230 Login successful."
[10:32] <EmxBA> "227 Entering Passive Mode (80,65,162,210,30,180)
[10:32] <EmxBA> Cannot create a data connection: No route to host"
[10:33] <EmxBA> "disconnected"
[10:33] <cbx33> pygi: http://docs.python.org/lib/string-methods.html#string-methods
[10:33] <cbx33> there is supposed to be an encode function to do it
[10:34] <cbx33> actually no there isn't thats an error thingy
[10:34] <cbx33> oooh actually
[10:36] <cbx33> nope
[10:36] <cbx33> dang it
[10:42] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: it's working fine for me, but I'm on my gentoo box right now
[10:42] <EmxBA> what? gftp?
[10:42] <EmxBA> it works fine for me too in normal mode
[10:42] <pygi> HedgeMage, bonfire is going to go into gentoo portage ;)
[10:43] <EmxBA> pygi: nice!
[10:43] <pygi> HedgeMage, preety soon that should happen, so if you have gnome 2.14.2 ?!
[10:44] <EmxBA> HedgeMage: how can i allow directory listing for my ftp site 
[10:45] <EmxBA> for example, if someone types exact folder (in firefox, maybe), thatis http://emir.linux.org.ba/wp-content/edubuntu/, the access is forbidden for them
[10:45] <EmxBA> can i change it?
[10:48] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: it depends on how the server is configured.
[10:48] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: is it managed hosting or your own box?
[10:49] <EmxBA> so i cannot change it in gftp
[10:49] <EmxBA> no 
[10:49] <EmxBA> not my box
[10:49] <HedgeMage> no, you can't change it from gftp
[10:49] <EmxBA> :-(
[10:49] <EmxBA> ok
[10:49] <EmxBA> doesn't matter
[10:49] <HedgeMage> you'd have to talk to whomever admins the box
[10:49] <EmxBA> ok
[10:49] <EmxBA> HedgeMage
[10:50] <EmxBA> did you ever used any type of wireless cards
[10:50] <EmxBA> in my case, PCMCIA
[10:50] <EmxBA> i had few problems
[10:50] <EmxBA> ?
[10:51] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: I had a PCMCIA wifi card on my last laptop
[10:52] <HedgeMage> EmxBA: what type is it?
[10:52] <EmxBA> erm, i have Orinoco 802.11b PCMCIA card
[10:52] <EmxBA> with normal kernel drivers it doesn't support scanning
[10:52] <EmxBA> but with drivers from kismetwireless.com (something like that) you can normally scan around
[10:54] <HedgeMage> sorry, I've not used the orinocos (outside my price range)... mine was an Atheros-based card by D-Link
[10:54] <EmxBA> maybe i should try #ubuntu...
[10:55] <EmxBA> is there any #ubuntu-wireless or similar?
[10:55] <HedgeMage> not AFAIK
[10:55] <HedgeMage> but I can't keep track of all the chans on this network :P
[10:58] <cbx33> sure you can HedgeMage 
[10:59] <EmxBA> cbx33: did you have any PCMCIA wireless cards?
[10:59] <cbx33> yes
[10:59] <cbx33> I have 3
[11:00] <EmxBA> any orinoco?
[11:00] <DanielC_zzzzz> Has anyone heard of PLF? Is this repository "safe":
[11:00] <DanielC_zzzzz> ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/
[11:00] <DanielC> oops
[11:01] <HedgeMage> DanielC: I've heard of it, and they're pretty good in a technical sense.  I'm not qualified to comment on the legal ramifications of their packages in any jurisdiction, however.
[11:01] <HedgeMage> DanielC: I've used them before with no problems.
[11:02] <DanielC> HedgeMage: Ok, thanks. Yes, I was asking about the technical side, not the legal side.
[11:02] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:06] <HedgeMage> heh
[11:07] <HedgeMage> DanielC: what's really scary is that things like adoption, education, privacy, etc are totally broken, and our lawmakers spend all their time on new ways to enforce broken copyright/patent law.
[11:08] <DanielC> Indeed :(
[11:09] <EmxBA> can anyone help me with my wiki page
[11:09] <EmxBA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic
[11:09] <EmxBA> it shows picture
[11:09] <EmxBA> i don't want that
[11:09] <EmxBA> i've just gave a link
[11:09] <DanielC> Does anyone know what "banshee", "f-splot" and "streamtuner" are?
[11:09] <EmxBA> and it shows last picture
[11:09] <pygi> DanielC, f-spot* :P
[11:09] <DanielC> :)
[11:10] <DanielC> pygi: I take it that you know what it is?
[11:11] <pygi> yup :)
[11:11] <pygi> Photo managment application :)
[11:11] <DanielC> ah
[11:11] <DanielC> Any idea what the the others do?
[11:11] <EmxBA> anyone? help me with my wiki page
[11:11] <pygi> Banshee - Complete music management and playback on Gnome.
[11:12] <pygi> streamtuner - A stream directory browser.
[11:12] <DanielC> pygi: Is banshee like rythmbox? (I don't know much about this "music" stuff)
[11:12] <pygi> With Banshee you can easily import, manage, and play selections from your music collection. Banshee allows you to import CDs, sync your music collection to an iPod, play music directly from an iPod, create playlists with songs from your library, and create audio and MP3 CDs from subsets of your library. A metadata editor is also included.
[11:13] <DanielC> Cool.
[11:13] <DanielC> Not something I need, but cool anyways :)
[11:17] <cbx33> EmxBA: what's up
[11:18] <EmxBA> can you help me with my wiki page
[11:18] <EmxBA> i can't explain you
[11:18] <EmxBA> just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmirBeganovic
[11:18] <EmxBA> try to fix this picture, please :)
[11:18] <DanielC> EmxBA: Fixed
[11:19] <EmxBA> tnx
[11:19] <DanielC> - *[http://emir.linux.org.ba/wp-content/edubuntu/red.png] 
[11:19] <DanielC> + *[http://emir.linux.org.ba/wp-content/edubuntu/red.png Red] 
[11:19] <EmxBA> just that?
[11:19] <EmxBA> tnx
[11:20] <DanielC> :)
[11:20] <EmxBA> do you like logos?
[11:20] <EmxBA> have you seen them anyway?
[11:21] <DanielC> I like them. I'm not crazy about the green one, but I like the others.
[11:21] <DanielC> :-)
[11:21] <EmxBA> which one you like the most
[11:22] <EmxBA> you haven't fixed this:"I've made few Edubuntu logos, same logo just different colors and few effects added, nothing special.  [11:22] <DanielC> It'd depend on what I wanted to do with it, but the glass one is "interesting".
[11:22] <EmxBA> let me fix it
[11:22] <EmxBA> brb
[11:22] <EmxBA> tnx!
[11:22] <HedgeMage> Okay, I'm *really* going to bed this time
[11:22] <HedgeMage> I'll see you all tomorrow
[11:22] <DanielC> Night
[11:23] <cbx33> nn HedgeMage 
[11:23] <EmxBA> maybe i should redesign it so it can be used on Edubuntu 6.10 :-)
[11:24] <EmxBA> cbx33: please look at my logos
[11:25] <EmxBA> ok
[11:25] <cbx33> what are they for
[11:26] <DanielC> Edubuntu :)
[11:26] <EmxBA> ?
[11:26] <EmxBA> nothing
[11:26] <EmxBA> for Edubuntu, of course
[11:26] <DanielC> cbx33: I figure that EmxBA just likes drawing. No particular "purpose".
[11:27] <cbx33> :)
[11:27] <DanielC> Since when do we need a reason to do art? :)
[11:27] <EmxBA> DanielC: hehe
[11:27] <cbx33> true
[11:27] <DanielC> heh
[11:27] <EmxBA> i just drawed them, nothing bad in that
[11:27] <cbx33> cool
[11:27] <DanielC> Maybe someone should do an Edubuntu logo competition. That would be fun.
[11:28] <EmxBA> tnx
[11:28] <EmxBA> i will organise that, DanielC
[11:28] <DanielC> The OpenOffice schools project once had a mascot competition. That was a lot of fun.
[11:28] <pygi> DanielC, we have a  logo :P
[11:28] <DanielC> pygi: I said mascot :)
[11:29] <DanielC> The winner was a 16 year old student from Italy who wants to be a graphics designer.
[11:29] <pygi> Maybe someone should do an Edubuntu logo competition. That would be fun.
[11:29] <pygi> I quote :P
[11:29] <EmxBA> are there any similar competitions right now ?
[11:29] <DanielC> Now her work is used all over the world by a prominent open source project.
[11:29] <DanielC> EmxBA: None that I'm aware of.
[11:29] <spacey> edubuntu logo is quite nice i think
[11:30] <DanielC> pygi:  Ok, I stand corrected. But how about a mascot? Just for fun.
[11:30] <DanielC> We could even have a mascot of the year, so we can have more competitions.
[11:30] <cbx33> hehe
[11:30] <cbx33> EmxBA: start drawing an Eft :p
[11:30] <cbx33> and Edgy Eft :p
[11:30] <DanielC> Because we are dealing with schools, this would be a good way to get kids involved.
[11:31] <DanielC> cbx33: Oh! that's an idea!
[11:31] <DanielC> A competition for each release.
[11:31] <DanielC> For Dapper we draw a Drake; for Edgy we draw an Eft.
[11:32] <DanielC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt
[11:32] <DanielC> An Eft is a young Newt, and a newt is a type of lizzard.
[11:32] <DanielC> This could be a good way to get schools involved. I have a school who would likely be interested. They are primary kids though.
[11:33] <pygi> that thing looks almost like a fish :P
[11:33] <cbx33> is there a list of special characters for use in bash
[11:33] <EmxB1> sorry
[11:34] <EmxB1> i had to recconect
[11:35] <EmxBA> hi again :-)
[11:35] <EmxBA> so, where were we?
[11:35] <EmxBA> i asked are there any similar competitions like something logo competition
[11:35] <DanielC> EmxBA: No competitions that I know of. But I suggested that Edubuntu could have one for each release.
[11:36] <EmxBA> ok
[11:36] <EmxBA> maybe during summer 
[11:36] <DanielC> EmxBA: For Dapper it'd be a Drake and for Edgy it'd be an Eft.
[11:36] <cbx33> DanielC: why not bring it up in the meeting today?
[11:36] <DanielC> it's a thought.
[11:36] <EmxBA> summer Edubuntu competition
[11:36] <EmxBA> DanielC, cbx33, you gave me an idea
[11:36] <DanielC> cbx33: There's a meeting today? When? Where? Is anyone allowed to come?
[11:36] <cbx33> sure
[11:36] <EmxBA> today on meeting i'll talk about logo competition
[11:36] <cbx33> 12 UTC
[11:36] <EmxBA> something redesigned
[11:37] <cbx33> I don't know if they'll be open to changing the logo
[11:37] <DanielC> cbx33: Ok, in 1h 23min. Which channel? Here?
[11:37] <EmxBA> ubuntu-meeting
[11:37] <cbx33> 2h 23
[11:37] <EmxBA> cbx33: maybe edubuntu will be open
[11:37] <DanielC> EmxBA: A logo competition is not likely to be accepted. They won't want to change the logo. A mascot competition is easier to sell.
[11:38] <cbx33> the logo is kinda solid throughout *ubuntu
[11:38] <cbx33> definitely
[11:38] <pygi> ergh, I won't be able to attend again :(
[11:38] <cbx33> awww
[11:38] <EmxBA> no, wallpaper competition
[11:38] <DanielC> Wallpapers are good.
[11:38] <EmxBA> i would like something better than "Edubuntu Girl"
[11:38] <cbx33> wallpapers are good
[11:38] <DanielC> :)
[11:38] <cbx33> EmxBA: like the homies?
[11:38] <EmxBA> :-) i like the wallpapers
[11:39] <DanielC> cbx33: Is the meeting for Edubuntu specifically or all Ubuntu?
[11:39] <cbx33> but the main wallpaper is chosen by canonical
[11:39] <cbx33> this meeting is just edubuntu
[11:39] <DanielC> good :)
[11:39] <DanielC> I don't like crowds ;-)
[11:40] <EmxBA> this meeting at 20 UTC is only *only* about Edubuntu
[11:40] <EmxBA> nice
[11:40] <DanielC> 12UTC... right?
[11:40] <DanielC> In 2h 20min.
[11:40] <EmxBA> yes
[11:40] <EmxBA> 1h 20 min
[11:41] <cbx33> 2hr 20
[11:41] <DanielC> Right now it is 10:40UTC.
[11:41] <EmxBA> yes
[11:41] <cbx33> goto #ubuntu-meeting
[11:41] <cbx33> DanielC: are you in the UK?
[11:41] <DanielC> cbx33: Yes. Tamworth, near Birmingham.
[11:41] <cbx33> you are not UTC time
[11:41] <cbx33> cos of the BST
[11:41] <cbx33> if you goto the meeting channel
[11:42] <EmxBA> people, evolution crashed on my box few hrs ago
[11:42] <cbx33> and type @schedule london
[11:42] <EmxBA> i cannot run it now
[11:42] <EmxBA> what to do
[11:42] <cbx33> you'll get the times for the meeting
[11:44] <DanielC> cbx33: Blimey, you're right. It's the summer when we're not on UTC.
[11:45] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[11:47] <EmxBA> on #ubuntu-meeting there is no Edubuntu Cookbook on 14 June
[11:47] <EmxBA> just 15 June
[11:47] <EmxBA> thatis tommorow?
[11:47] <EmxBA> yes
[11:49] <EmxBA> anyone?
[11:50] <DanielC> EmxBA: Channel topic says 14
[11:51] <EmxBA> ok
[11:51] <EmxBA> in 1j 9 min
[11:51] <DanielC> Calendar says 14 too.
[11:51] <EmxBA> *1h 1 min
[11:51] <EmxBA> no
[11:51] <EmxBA> @schedule sarajevo
[11:51] <EmxBA> or @schedule london says 15 june
[11:52] <DanielC> Says 14 :)
[11:52] <EmxBA> for edubuntu
[11:52] <EmxBA> for edubuntu-cookbook it is tomorrow
[11:52] <EmxBA> that's what i want to say
[11:53] <DanielC> ok
[11:53] <DanielC> What's cookbook?
[11:53] <EmxBA> huhu.....
[11:53] <EmxBA> try google :-)
[11:54] <DanielC> Google will probably tell me that a coobook is a book with cooking recipes.
[11:55] <EmxBA> brb
[11:58] <EmxBA> see https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks
[11:58] <DanielC> *click*
[11:58] <EmxBA> click https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks
[12:09] <pygi> bluekuja, poke poke?
[12:10] <EmxBA> :D
[12:10] <DanielC> On the wiki, how do you make it *not* turn a capitalized word into a link?
[12:11] <pygi> bluekuja, considering I'll run away soon, can we finish server today pls.? :)
[12:12] <EmxBA> anyone, visit "Skolarci" again
[12:12] <EmxBA> maybe http://skolarci.linux.org.ba/index.php?option=com_poll&task=results&id=14
[12:12] <EmxBA> do you like design now?
[12:12] <EmxBA> you told me it would be better something orange
[12:12] <EmxBA> i just need to change the banner
[12:22] <EmxBA> reconnected again :(
[12:23] <JaneW> is there an edubuntu meeting today?
[12:23] <EmxBA> hi janew
[12:24] <JaneW> and if so can I be a normal observer?
[12:24] <EmxBA> bluekuja told me that  should contact you
[12:24] <ogra> JaneW, nope, forbidden !
[12:24] <EmxBA> for the edubuntu artwork
[12:24] <EmxBA> JaneW ?
[12:24] <ogra> JaneW, indeed we want you in that meeting :)
[12:24] <JaneW> ogra: :?
[12:24] <JaneW> :/
[12:24] <EmxBA> JaneW: i think i should introduce myself
[12:24] <lucasvo> JaneW: good bye JaneW !
[12:25] <DanielC> Hi JaneW. Yes come. Not sure if you remember me from last year, I was the guy installing Edubuntu at a primary school.
[12:25] <DanielC> I'll be there as an observer.
[12:25] <lucasvo> JaneW: where will you work in future?
[12:26] <JaneW> am I gonna be banned? *sulk*
[12:26] <JaneW> *grin*
[12:26] <ogra> :)
[12:26] <EmxBA> JaneW: please listen to me, maybe i look like n00b, but I'm not
[12:26] <lucasvo> EmxBA: strong statement :)
[12:27] <EmxBA> lucasvo: :/
[12:27] <lucasvo> EmxBA: just kidding
[12:27] <EmxBA> ok
[12:27] <DanielC> EmxBA: You don't look like a noob, you just look 14 :)
[12:27] <lucasvo> DanielC: you are mean :P
[12:28] <EmxBA> i know
[12:28] <DanielC> He *is* 14
[12:28] <EmxBA> i am youngest :))))))
[12:28] <DanielC> It was meant to be funny.
[12:28] <DanielC> Sorry if it came out the wrong way.
[12:28] <EmxBA> yes, it is funny indeed
[12:28] <EmxBA> no, np
[12:28] <pygi> JaneW, I hope it all works out well for you
[12:29] <JaneW> EmxBA: hi
[12:29] <JaneW> pygi: thanks
[12:29] <EmxBA> hi at last :)
[12:29] <JaneW> pygi: did you get my SoC email last week? no one responded...
[12:29] <JaneW> lucasvo: I'll be consulting to a mobile telco
[12:30] <pygi> JaneW, about some other guy taking over admin position of SoC?
[12:30] <JaneW> yes doko
[12:30] <pygi> got that
[12:30] <ogra> JaneW, doko ? 
[12:31] <cbx33> boo ogra 
[12:31] <cbx33> got a sec to talk?
[12:31] <cbx33> had an idea need to know if you think it's whorthwhile producing a spec for
[12:31] <EmxBA> :)
[12:31] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[12:32] <cbx33> it's basically a bug fixing helper package
[12:32] <cbx33> basically you run the program the bug is in from within this pacakge
[12:32] <cbx33> it can record your actions
[12:32] <ogra> like bug buddy you mean ? 
[12:32] <cbx33> and records stdout and stderr
[12:33] <cbx33> and possibly other information
[12:33] <JaneW> ogra: I mailed las thursday titled "Google SoC Update - Please report MIA Students"
[12:33] <JaneW> ogra: that bad?
[12:33] <ogra> well, usually you need a proper gdb backtrace to debug C programs ...
[12:33] <cbx33> and then maybe have a direct interface to LP
[12:33] <cbx33> worth persuing?
[12:33] <EmxBA> can anyone help me registering channel
[12:33] <ogra> JaneW, not really, but he's surely not the whipcracking guy 
[12:34] <cbx33> I was trying to make it really easy for people to submit bugs, and for us to get the "info" we need
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: maybe he can get ppl to do things by being nice
[12:34] <ogra> cbx33, i think there is a SoC project doing something similar 
[12:34] <bluekuja> hello guys
[12:34] <EmxBA> hi andrea
[12:34] <bluekuja> hey :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> pygi: ping
[12:35] <cbx33> *bah* my brain has wiped the info already
[12:35] <cbx33> for get I spoke :p
[12:35] <pygi> bluekuja, poke, I run in like 5 seconds :P
[12:35] <ogra> JaneW, i think this time everybody is fine caring for his student, will be easier for him than it was for you last time 
[12:35] <ogra> so probably no whip is needed :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> pygi: there are some errors in build requires, i tried to build it in mock
[12:35] <bluekuja> gnome-vfs
[12:35] <pygi> ogra, can we include this in edubuntu? ( I know we cannot, but I have to ask :P)
[12:35] <pygi> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158
[12:35] <ogra> cbx33, you should look it up and see if there are things missing you had in your idea
[12:35] <pygi> bluekuja, no worries about that for now :)
[12:36] <pygi> We can do that even next week
[12:36] <pygi> server is priority ;)
[12:36] <EmxBA> bluekuja, can you help me? i want to register channel.
[12:36] <bluekuja> pygi: ok, perfect
[12:36] <bluekuja> pygi: i fix login
[12:36] <bluekuja> and svn
[12:36] <EmxBA> Andrea?
[12:36] <cbx33> ogra: I wanted to ask a quick python question
[12:36] <ogra> pygi, why the heck should we include a 5th burning app in main ? 
[12:36] <bluekuja> EmxBA, yes tell me
[12:36] <pygi> ogra, because it's supported the best by upstream? :)
[12:36] <bluekuja> which channel?
[12:37] <EmxBA> do you have any link which explains how to register channel on freenode
[12:37] <bluekuja> it's easy
[12:37] <EmxBA> channel name?erm, that's secret :)
[12:37] <ogra> pygi, thats serpentine as well, or gnomebaker or nautilus-cd-burner or k3b :)
[12:37] <pygi> ogra, this can replace both serpentine and gnomebaker :)
[12:37] <EmxBA> bluekuja: ?
[12:38] <ogra> pygi, well, serpentine is duplicated stuff already that should be dropped
[12:38] <bluekuja> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[12:38] <bluekuja> all questions here
[12:38] <pygi> ogra, I know we can't include it, just wanted to poke randomly because it's my application ^^
[12:38] <ogra> we already have full audio burning capability in rhythmbox ...
[12:38] <pygi> yup, I know...no worries :)
[12:38] <bluekuja> anyway it's an easy process
[12:39] <ogra> pygi, so package it up and push it to universe ;)
[12:39] <EmxBA> ok
[12:39] <pygi> ogra, bleh, yes, but that's not in "ship" with edubuntu :)
[12:39] <cbx33> ogra: do you have a sec for apython question
[12:39] <cbx33> I've been bugging pygi
[12:40] <cbx33> i have a filename in a string 
[12:40] <bluekuja> pygi: what do you want to be fixed more in server ?
[12:40] <ogra> unless we'll drop nautilus we wont need a separate bunring app :)
[12:40] <cbx33> but it has spaces and other chars in it
[12:40] <bluekuja> pygi: so i can focus on that
[12:40] <pygi> ogra, and you won't drop nautilus :P
[12:40] <pygi> bluekuja, well, nothing, as long as it all works :)
[12:40] <pygi> and see if domain works
[12:40] <ogra> pygi, highly unlikely :)
[12:40] <pygi> it's registered
[12:40] <cbx33> how can i get python to convert it to a slashed version
[12:40] <bluekuja> pygi: domain ready?
[12:40] <pygi> bluekuja, yes
[12:40] <cbx33> like
[12:40] <ogra> cbx33, you can use a regex ...
[12:40] <bluekuja> pygi: lets try it
[12:41] <pygi> bluekuja, if you have problems with domain, poke "KillerX' in #banyantree
[12:41] <pygi> bluekuja, I gotta run now
[12:41] <bluekuja> pygi: k cya man later
[12:41] <pygi> ogra, we could at least put gnomebaker in universe, and put Bonfire in main ;)
[12:41] <bluekuja> highvoltage: jon :)
[12:42] <EmxBA> everyone, join #edubuntu-bosnia :)
[12:42] <ogra> pygi, iirc gnomebaker is in main because of xfce (i wouldnt have pulled it to main) talk to them to switch to it :)
[12:42] <JaneW> ogra: yes it seems to be running better this year
[12:42] <ogra> we all learned :)
[12:42] <pygi> ogra, great, I'll poke them then :P
[12:42] <cbx33> ogra: do you have any examples
[12:42] <EmxBA> ping pygi :)
[12:42] <pygi> bye all now
[12:42] <pygi> EmxBA, I gotta run, sorry :P
[12:42] <bluekuja> cya mario
[12:42] <EmxBA> ok
[12:43] <EmxBA> bluekuja, join please
[12:43] <ogra> cbx33, http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/
[12:43] <EmxBA> i want to check something
[12:44] <cbx33> cheers ogra 
[12:44] <EmxBA> ping bluekuja
[12:45] <bluekuja> EmxBA, yes?
[12:45] <EmxBA> join #edubuntu-bosnia
[12:46] <bluekuja> y?
[12:46] <EmxBA> localized edubutn uchannel
[12:49] <EmxBA> Andrea?
[12:49] <EmxBA> ping bluekuja
[12:49] <EmxBA> ping JaneW
[12:49] <EmxBA> ping highvoltage
[12:51] <ogra> DanielC, WOW, you got an answer from a sun employee for the openoffice question 
[12:52] <DanielC> ogra: I did?
[12:52] <ogra> yes
[12:52] <EmxBA> danielC: he actually told you what's up nerd
[12:52] <DanielC> ogra: Where?
[12:52] <EmxBA> sorry
[12:52] <EmxBA> someone is spamming us
[12:52] <ogra> on ubuntu-users
[12:52] <DanielC> ogra: I haven't seen that email yet. I hope it didn't just get lost.
[12:53] <ogra> its in the mailinglist :)
[12:53] <ogra> he broke the threading ...
[12:53] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-June/082243.html
[12:53] <DanielC> ogra: thanks
[12:53] <ogra> but gives the way for a solution ...
[12:54] <DanielC> Oh, I remember Kay.
[12:54] <EmxBA> ogra: any special suggestions for edubuntu meeting
[12:54] <DanielC> I think that's the guy I met in Slovenia.
[12:54] <ogra> i''ll see if we can incorporate that, so we have only firefox left with the multiple user problem
[12:54] <EmxBA> or edubuntu-cookbook meeting?
[12:54] <DanielC> ogra: Cool :)
[12:54] <ogra> well, FF will be evil to work around
[12:54] <ogra> it is much worse than OOo
[12:55] <ogra> ff tends to hold all userdata in memory while you have it open ...
[12:55] <ogra> it only writes config changes if you close it
[12:55] <DanielC> ogra: Firefox is the same. Give it a different profile.
[12:55] <DanielC> ogra: "firefox -P profile_name"
[12:56] <ogra> so that will get very hairy to run for multiple people logged in with the same user
[12:56] <DanielC> ogra: It will. And so will the OpenOffice solution.
[12:56] <DanielC> They look equally bad to me.
[12:56] <ogra> yeah
[12:56] <EmxBA> can anyone help me with this silly evolution problem?
[12:56] <ogra> and i wouldnt like any hackish workarounds ...
[12:57] <ogra> (like login scripts or something like that *shudder*)
[12:57] <highvoltage> EmxBA: pong
[12:58] <EmxBA> just wondering if oyu could help me, evolution crashed few hrs ago and i can't run it now 
[12:59] <ogra> EmxBA, for such questions #ubuntu is more appropriate 
[12:59] <highvoltage> EmxBA: do you see any error messages when you run evolution from a terminal?
[01:00] <EmxBA> just a sec.
[01:02] <EmxBA> it just says "CalDAV Eplugin starting up ..." 
[01:02] <EmxBA> and i should wait
[01:05] <EmxBA> highvoltage: any solution
[01:06] <highvoltage> EmxBA: hmmm... any evolution processes still running?
[01:06] <highvoltage> perhaps try a killall evolution
[01:06] <highvoltage> and then run evolution again
[01:06] <highvoltage> egh... my lag is very high
[01:07] <EmxBA> ok
[01:08] <EmxBA> tnx
[01:08] <EmxBA> it works now
[01:10] <ogra> ************* reminder, edubuntu meeting in ~1h in #ubuntu-meeting ***********
[01:10] <ogra> highvoltage, never "killal evolution" ...
[01:10] <ogra> that will leave all the backends running
[01:10] <ogra> use evolution --force-shutdown instead
[01:10] <ogra> but really, that belongs to #ubuntu
[01:11] <EmxBA> i know, ogra
[01:12] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks, that's a good tip
[01:12] <EmxBA> give me something to download
[01:12] <EmxBA> i need to spend my bandwidth :)
[01:13] <DanielC> ogra: Here's an idea for OpenOffice: When it starts the script could wipe <path>/user* and called OOo with -env:UserInstallation=<path>/user<time>
[01:14] <ogra> DanielC, yes thats one way to do it
[01:17] <kbrooks> EDUBUNTU!
[01:30] <highvoltage> kbrooks: indeed!
[01:30] <highvoltage> ogra: have you had a chance to look at SIF yet?
[01:30] <kbrooks> edubuntu sounds great :P
[01:31] <highvoltage> i talked to helen king about it a few weeks ago, but from what I gather, it's not quite ready for implementation yet
[01:31] <ogra> ********** reminder, edubuntu meeting in 30minutes in #ubuntu-meeting **********
[01:31] <ogra> highvoltage, its a 10 year old implementation that was dropped by its developers
[01:32] <ogra> i dont think its something for us yet ... as long as there is not more code
[01:32] <DanielC> ogra: what usually happens at edubuntu meetings?
[01:32] <ogra> (and as i understood sabdfl he agrees)
[01:32] <ogra> DanielC, see the agenda (channel topic)
[01:32] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, thanks for that insight
[01:33] <DanielC> ogra: Channel topic doesn't have an agenda.
[01:33] <bluekuja> MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda 
[01:34] <kbrooks> i'm interested in edubuntu. but i'm not a school :P
[01:34] <DanielC> Can anyone come?
[01:34] <bluekuja> DanielC, yes
[01:34] <kbrooks> i can
[01:34] <cbx33> DanielC: yes
[01:34] <kbrooks> i'm there already
[01:34] <DanielC> :-)
[01:34] <ogra> kbrooks, become one :P
[01:34] <kbrooks> ogra: no :P
[01:34] <ogra> heh
[01:35] <DanielC> kbrooks: You could go to a local school and offer to setup a small thin client cyber cafe to try it out.
[01:35] <kbrooks> DanielC: I'm ... 15
[01:35] <DanielC> kbrooks: Suggest that they can reuse their old computers that they're about to throw out. Offer to do it for free.
[01:36] <DanielC> kbrooks: Ok, so you already have contacts in your school :)
[01:36] <kbrooks> DanielC: aha!
[01:36] <kbrooks> DanielC: wait
[01:36] <highvoltage> kbrooks: emxba is 14, and lucasvo is 16, iirc :)
[01:36] <kbrooks> DanielC: pm me
[01:36] <Yagisan> kbrooks: grow a beard ;)
[01:36] <DanielC> heh
[01:43] <kbrooks> so
[01:44] <kbrooks> i'm looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy and its great in marketing
[01:44] <bluekuja> kbrooks, that's a great page
[01:44] <bluekuja> :)
[01:44] <kbrooks> that too
[01:45] <kbrooks> it's very professional
[01:45] <kbrooks> no other "advocacy" pages surpass that
[01:45] <bluekuja> hehe yeah, say thanks to cbx33 that had this great idea
[01:45] <atomic007za> hi
[01:46] <ogra> ********** reminder, edubuntu meeting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting **********
[01:46] <bluekuja> atomic007za, hi
[01:46] <kbrooks> cbx33: ping ;)
[01:46] <atomic007za> hi bluekuja
[01:46] <bluekuja> hello atomic007za 
[01:47] <kbrooks> I have a question
[01:48] <bluekuja> shoot
[01:48] <kbrooks> keduca - do the teachers print the tests out?
[01:49] <kbrooks> and give to students
[01:49] <bluekuja> mmm... I really don't know. ogra?
[01:50] <ogra> i dont think so
[01:50] <ogra> ********** reminder, edubuntu meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting **********
[01:51] <kbrooks> ogra: OK. do the students open up tests? :)
[01:51] <ogra> kbrooks, no idea. i never really used keduca beyond basic functionallity tests
[01:52] <kbrooks> are you a teacher? :P
[01:52] <ogra> kbrooks, nope
[01:52] <bluekuja> ogra: have you seen this: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
[01:52] <kbrooks> um
[01:53] <kbrooks> when can I change the  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy page
[01:53] <ogra> bluekuja, yes, its old 
[01:53] <bluekuja> ogra: yep
[01:53] <DanielC> ogra: I think everyone has. But since when is Linus an expert in usability?
[01:53] <LaserJock> good morning!!!
[01:54] <DanielC> Ooops, I meant to say that to bluekuja not ogra.
[01:54] <ogra> DanielC, no idea ... i know for sure he's not an expert in licensing, else i'd have packaged the tool he once sent me for edubuntu
[01:54] <cbx33> kbrooks: pong
[01:54] <kbrooks> when can I change the  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy page ?
[01:54] <DanielC> ogra: What did he send you?
[01:54] <kbrooks> cbx33: thanks for the idea of that advocacy page. ;)
[01:55] <ogra> ********** reminder, edubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting **********
[01:55] <cbx33> kbrooks: that page is scheduled for delettion
[01:55] <cbx33> it's now on
[01:55] <ogra> DanielC, a tool to do timed logouts of students 
[01:55] <cbx33> www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[01:55] <kbrooks> cbx33: why is it scheduled for deletion?
[01:55] <cbx33> cos it's moved
[01:55] <ogra> but asked for a license he never sent anything and i cant package unlicensed stuff
[01:55] <DanielC> ogra: Doesn't sound so bad. Did he pick a weird license?
[01:56] <ogra> he added none at all .. thats the problem
[01:56] <DanielC> ah
[01:56] <DanielC> Did you ask him for a license?
[01:56] <ogra> yep
[01:56] <ogra> several times ... highvoltage as well
[01:57] <DanielC> Hmmm...
[01:57] <kbrooks> ogra: did linus respond?
[01:57] <ogra> not after he sent that code, noi .
[01:57] <ogra> thats why we cant include it 
[01:57] <DanielC> :P
[01:57] <kbrooks> ogra: sucks
[01:57] <ogra> yes
[01:58] <kbrooks> ogra: now i see where "ogra" comes from. first_name[0]  + last_name[:3]  :-)
[01:59] <cbx33> yes ogra's does make sense
[01:59] <ogra> yeah
[01:59] <bluekuja> kbrooks: :D
[01:59] <DanielC> Mine makes sense :)
[01:59] <kbrooks> heh
[02:00] <Yagisan> mine too (it you understand the history behind it)
[02:00] <ogra> ********** reminder, edubuntu meeting starts NOW in #ubuntu-meeting **********
[03:01] <DanielC> Help. When I run 'top' the CPU line says "96% wa". What does that mean? I hope it means "waiting".
[03:07] <slashdevnull> morning
[03:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:08] <rodarvus> hello slashdevnull, jsgotangco 
[03:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: meeting :-)
[03:08] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: greetings
[03:08] <jsgotangco> ooppss sorry
[03:08] <slashdevnull> anyone here with good knowledge of ltsp? I upgraded to 6.06 and I'm borked.
[03:09] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: hehe, np just wanted to make sure you knew ;-)
[03:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did you get it?
[03:10] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: my stress levels would also come down a bit if they let me know about mine
[03:10] <jsgotangco> well i would have gotten it already if the french visa system didn't use windows
[03:11] <jsgotangco> instead they had around 50 people at the consulate screaming for blood
[03:11] <jsgotangco> and had us all go back on friday to pick up our passports
[03:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: ?
[03:12] <cbx33> 2 ticks
[03:12] <cbx33> phojne rang
[03:12] <jsgotangco> seriously ive lost like 3 days at work just sorting this out
[03:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: would that be just the system at your local embassy, or is it a problem in france?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> i dunno its probably the embassy
[03:14] <jsgotangco> or else i'll troll about french technology
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:15] <cbx33> ok I'm here
[03:15] <cbx33> I wanted to talk to you guys about The Open CD
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah?
[03:16] <cbx33> yeh
[03:16] <cbx33> :p
[03:16] <jsgotangco> oh yeah?
[03:16] <slashdevnull> is this a good place to ask about ltsp problems on 6.06?
[03:16] <cbx33> I had a call from heno last night
[03:16] <jsgotangco> okay
[03:16] <cbx33> as some of you know he founded the open cd project
[03:16] <ogra> slashdevnull, the best :)
[03:16] <cbx33> and he's now keen not to sit on it for too long
[03:16] <jsgotangco> we've been planning it since a while but the livecd stuff had us busy
[03:17] <cbx33> so I volunteered to help out
[03:17] <LaserJock> of course :-)
[03:17] <jsgotangco> im not surprised
[03:17] <cbx33> basically he wants to remove the ubuntu stuff that was on there which leavs us with a few hundred Mb
[03:17] <slashdevnull> thanks, ogra. I can't get my system to boot ltsp clients after upgrading to 6.06.
[03:17] <jsgotangco> cbx33: that's easy
[03:18] <jsgotangco> have you looked at the tree structure
[03:18] <cbx33> and I think he is keen to kinda of partner up the edubuntu printed cd's with the Open CD
[03:18] <ogra> slashdevnull, did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes ?
[03:18] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I will be later on today
[03:18] <slashdevnull> yesI think that the thin clients (Dell Dimension 5150) are 
[03:18] <cbx33> I wanted to ask if you guys have any feedback on the CD itself as it stands
[03:18] <slashdevnull> Er, sorry. yes
[03:18] <jsgotangco> we have a tiny problem on the current UI
[03:18] <cbx33> or if you have any cool ideas for how we could reinject some life into it
[03:18] <cbx33> oh?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i don't think this is the proper forum to ask about the opencd
[03:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'm sure highvoltage will disagree
[03:19] <slashdevnull> ogra: I recreated the client chroot, removing the old one. several times now.
[03:19] <cbx33> well, we just thought that seeing as there is a big market out there for young people to start with open source
[03:20] <ogra> slashdevnull, so what are the symptoms ?
[03:20] <cbx33> it seemed like a good idea to collect thoughts from the edubuntu gang
[03:20] <slashdevnull> The thin client does not fully boot. I get an Ubuntu splash screen (nice touch) and it gets as far as mounting the filesystem, I believe.
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i hacked up a version of the current k-meleon browser in my bzr branch
[03:21] <cbx33> jsgotangco: cool
[03:21] <highvoltage> ogra:  and i do :)
[03:21] <ogra> slashdevnull, hmm, k, do you see a line like "rooserver: " if the splash goes away ?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> the plan for OpenCD 4 is to remove the ubuntu liveCD
[03:21] <cbx33> yes
[03:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think #edubuntu is fine to discuss the educational version of the edu-open-cd
[03:21] <jsgotangco> but there were interest on creating an education version since there was a demand in AU
[03:22] <slashdevnull> ogra: I ctrl-F1 to a text screen, where the last line is: (just a sec while I get it)
[03:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: since the edu-open-cd and edubuntu distribution would make fine companions, and there's a bit of overlap
[03:22] <jsgotangco> it wouldn't be hard to add apps on the current one
[03:22] <jsgotangco> the problem is identifying stuff
[03:22] <cbx33> esp with the extra space
[03:22] <cbx33> jsgotangco: true
[03:22] <jsgotangco> that
[03:22] <cbx33> which is why I was putting my feelers out
[03:22] <jsgotangco> that's what we've been stumped with for months
[03:22] <LaserJock> what is the url?\
[03:23] <slashdevnull> ogra: rootserver: 192.168.4.2 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
[03:23] <cbx33> I must admit
[03:23] <jsgotangco> i tried adding some games, but they proved to be too violent in nature for the current audience
[03:23] <cbx33> www.theopencd.org
[03:23] <cbx33> whoops
[03:23] <jsgotangco> (Marathon for example)
[03:23] <ogra> slashdevnull, 192.168.4.2 is definately your server ? 
[03:23] <slashdevnull> ogra: Yes
[03:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: there is also redistribution
[03:24] <cbx33> of course
[03:24] <ogra> slashdevnull, can you try: sudo mount 192.168.4.2:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt and see what that gives you ?
[03:24] <cbx33> I'm not saying it's going to be easy
[03:24] <ogra> slashdevnull, from another linux box indeed
[03:24] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: why?
[03:25] <LaserJock> I can think of quite a few things to put on the open cd
[03:25] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ask ogra why we don't have squeak shipped
[03:25] <cbx33> excellent
[03:25] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I know about squeak ;-)
[03:25] <ogra> we cant ship multiverse stuff
[03:26] <cbx33> we also talked about internationalisation
[03:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I just wondered why you thought there would be a difference between linux and w32
[03:26] <jsgotangco> well frankly it was a random thought
[03:26] <slashdevnull> ogra: I am trying that now from my workstation. May not work - I'm on another network segment. I'll need to boot a machine in our training room. Just a sec, please. And thanks for the help.
[03:27] <LaserJock> cbx33: unfortunately most of the apps I could think of would not be very interesing for kids, more like high-school wanting to get into FLOSS stuff, and science of course ;-)
[03:27] <jsgotangco> that's the thing
[03:27] <cbx33> what about having the packages on there in english but all the browser content internationalised and translated in rosetta, we could then point to localised versions of software where it is available
[03:28] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we were also thinking of relaxing the license requirements for inclusion
[03:28] <jsgotangco> because admittedly, there are some way cool apps that require, say java
[03:28] <jsgotangco> or even .NET
[03:28] <jsgotangco> so just in case you didn't know, we gave it a thought too
[03:28] <cbx33> jsgotangco: hmmm...
[03:28] <slashdevnull> ogra: Mount seems to either not be happening, or is taking a long time. nfs problem?
[03:29] <ogra> looks like
[03:29] <cbx33> i wasn't aware but good thing to think about
[03:29] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its worth pondering, after all, it is supposed to be free apps
[03:29] <ogra> can you check /var/log/daemon.log to see if there is a proper errormessage ?
[03:29] <cbx33> jsgotangco: what did you think to my take on internationalisation
[03:29] <slashdevnull> ogra, from my log: Jun 14 09:11:12 zion2 mountd[4719] : authenticated mount request from station3.training.innovationsw.com:643 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
[03:29] <slashdevnull> heh. I figured that's what you'd want next. ;)
[03:29] <ogra> nothing below ? 
[03:29] <slashdevnull> no
[03:30] <jsgotangco> but it wouldn't really help much if the long term plan is migration to a free software platform =)
[03:30] <ogra> like auth failed or something ? 
[03:30] <slashdevnull> nope
[03:30] <ogra> hmm, strange
[03:30] <slashdevnull> just the request.
[03:30] <ogra> can you look at the workstation as well ? 
[03:30] <cbx33> jsgotangco: true
[03:30] <jsgotangco> cbx33: let me review the email again 
[03:30] <slashdevnull> this is ubuntu 6.06, btw. not edubuntu. I don't know if there are differences.
[03:30] <slashdevnull> I should have said that up front. sorry about that
[03:30] <ogra> nope, there arent ...
[03:31] <cbx33> jsgotangco: ok cool
[03:31] <slashdevnull> ok.
[03:31] <ogra> ltsp is the same in all *buntus
[03:31] <slashdevnull> what would you like from the workstation?
[03:31] <ogra> same log, look for failures
[03:31] <jsgotangco> cbx33: in case you didn't know, Kubuntu has some nice win32 apps on the desktop cd too that might be worth considering
[03:32] <ogra> (or probably check /var/log/messages since there likely wont be anything in the daemon.log on the client side)
[03:32] <jsgotangco> way different from the one in gnome
[03:32] <highvoltage> bluekuja: i got hold of znarl
[03:32] <cbx33> right
[03:32] <highvoltage> bluekuja: where should the dns of it.edubuntu.org point to?
[03:32] <slashdevnull> aha
[03:32] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i did not read anything about internationalisation
[03:32] <bluekuja> highvoltage: just a moment I give you the link
[03:33] <cbx33> hang on I'll paste again
[03:33] <slashdevnull> maybe portmap...? here's a log entry
[03:33] <cbx33> what about having the packages on there in english but all the browser content internationalised and translated in rosetta, we could then point to localised versions of software where it is available
[03:33] <ogra> slashdevnull, from what exactly did you upgrade to 6.06 ?
[03:33] <slashdevnull> Jun 14 09:29:42 localhost kernel: [4294810.471000]  RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
[03:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: what you're saying is related to bluekuja's site?
[03:33] <cbx33> so in essence the cd is multilingual - but only has engilsh on it, but points to other languages
[03:33] <ogra> (is that machine hoary based ?)
[03:33] <slashdevnull> The server was previously Ubuntu 5.10, running ltsp.
[03:34] <cbx33> highvoltage: no
[03:34] <ogra> hmm, k 
[03:34] <slashdevnull> The clients run fat or thin, depending on how we need them
[03:34] <ogra> slashdevnull, check if portmap runs on both ends 
[03:34] <slashdevnull> they are Dell Dimension 5150's with ATI vbideo cards. I think I had fglrx in there before
[03:34] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, just checking
[03:34] <slashdevnull> orger
[03:35] <slashdevnull> portmap *is* running on the server. It was not on the workstation
[03:35] <ogra> and if it does, check /etc/default/portmap if its bound to the loopback device or something ... that file must be empty (or completely commmented)
[03:35] <slashdevnull> installing it on workstation now...
[03:35] <slashdevnull> cat /etc/default/portmap: # By default, listen only on the loopback interface
[03:35] <slashdevnull> OPTIONS=""
[03:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: hmmm it shouldn't be that difficult its just a bunch of strings
[03:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: have you heard of the moin option before?
[03:36] <cbx33> no?
[03:36] <ogra> slashdevnull, fine
[03:36] <cbx33> jsgotangco: go on
[03:36] <cbx33> sorry I'm still new to all this
[03:36] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its fine
[03:36] <ogra> slashdevnull, did you restart portmap on the server after upgrading ? 
[03:37] <slashdevnull> I rebooted the server. So, yes
[03:37] <jsgotangco> cbx33: the current one you're familiar right? just a bunch of static pages
[03:37] <cbx33> yes
[03:37] <jsgotangco> cbx33: but the 3.1 CD has MoinMoin Desktop
[03:37] <ogra> (you likely did reboot for a new kernel...)
[03:37] <ogra> yeah
[03:37] <slashdevnull> The thin client worked, initially, btw, after upgrading the server. I think it still had the previous kernel in memory, however.
[03:37] <cbx33> jsgotangco: oooh nice
[03:37] <ogra> damn lag here
[03:37] <slashdevnull> if that makes sense
[03:37] <slashdevnull> when I rebooted the thin client, it stopped working.
[03:37] <jsgotangco> cbx33: henrik is a bit of a Moin nut, so he experimented on using Moin as the interface of TOC itself
[03:38] <jsgotangco> but should run on the CD
[03:38] <cbx33> wow
[03:38] <jsgotangco> we tried it both but the results werent that good
[03:38] <cbx33> from what point of vierw?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> it was reading the CD madly
[03:38] <cbx33> ah
[03:38] <cbx33> i can imagine
[03:38] <jsgotangco> BUT
[03:38] <jsgotangco> imagine if Moin itself ran everything
[03:39] <jsgotangco> localisation can be done by people on the website itself
[03:39] <cbx33> true
[03:39] <jsgotangco> then we just lift them
[03:39] <ogra> slashdevnull, hmm, what does your /etc/exports contain ? there should be only one line exporting /opt/ltsp in readonly mode 
[03:39] <jsgotangco> cbx33: have you seen orchard
[03:39] <cbx33> heard of it
[03:39] <jsgotangco> cbx33: orchard.theopencd.org
[03:39] <jsgotangco> that is the moin experiment
[03:39] <cbx33> ahhh cool
[03:40] <slashdevnull> ogra: /etc/exports: /opt/kickstart  *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[03:40] <slashdevnull> /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[03:40] <ogra> ok, looks sane
[03:40] <slashdevnull> We are also kickstart installing from this server. I can remove that for nwo
[03:40] <slashdevnull> for now
[03:40] <ogra> no need to
[03:40] <slashdevnull> ok
[03:40] <ogra> its surely a portmap problem 
[03:41] <ogra> do you run *any* firewall stuff on that machine ? 
[03:41] <slashdevnull> The last thing I see in the splash screen is that the filesystem is mounted (it says "ok" on the right hand side. Then the screen goes black
[03:41] <cbx33> I'm gonna have to dash
[03:41] <cbx33> but we got some great ideas there jsgotangco 
[03:41] <cbx33> I'll be back
[03:41] <slashdevnull> I don't think that there are any firewall rules. I'll check.
[03:41] <ogra> slashdevnull, and then you get the mount error ? 
[03:41] <slashdevnull> The mount error does not show up on the splash. it's on the plaintext screen (alt-F1)
[03:42] <jsgotangco> cbx33: if you change the moin theme to TOC, it'll look exaclty like 3.1
[03:42] <slashdevnull> Er, not mount error. The other stuff
[03:42] <cbx33> heheh
[03:42] <cbx33> excellent
[03:43] <ogra> slashdevnull, i mean the splash goes away and drops you to a console, right ? or does it just stay black eternally at some later point
[03:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: so to answer your question on 18ln, yes, its possible
[03:43] <slashdevnull> it just stays black. I manually go to the other screen via alt-F1
[03:44] <ogra> aha
[03:44] <ogra> so it doesnt break on mounting ... thats different 
[03:44] <slashdevnull> sorry. I should have been more specific
[03:45] <slashdevnull> ogra: Here's what I see: I boot the system, and see the scrolling text I'm used to seeing. Then, it's replaced with a splash screen. I get two items on that splash, the second of which seems to complete, then the screen goes black.
[03:46] <ogra> anything on console 8 ? 
[03:46] <slashdevnull> I think that;s the one that goes black.
[03:47] <slashdevnull> When I've been saying plash screen, I men the Ubuntu splash, not the PXE info
[03:47] <ogra> 7 should go black, 8 should have the bootmessages that are hidden by usplash
[03:47] <slashdevnull> ah. let me check
[03:47] <ogra> i could imagine its an ati problem ...
[03:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: does the openCD have python?
[03:48] <slashdevnull> ogra: Once it goes black, the only screen I can read anything on is alt-f1
[03:48] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: interestingly no
[03:48] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: some nice stuff created on pygame would work 
[03:48] <slashdevnull> so, can I configure around that with corg.conf or something? Try using vesa driver?
[03:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: wha? Don't you need python for the desktop moin?
[03:48] <slashdevnull> i'm grasping at straws, here
[03:49] <jsgotangco> it think it installs python for its own use
[03:49] <LaserJock> yeah, ok.
[03:49] <ogra> slashdevnull, yes, try creating a lts.conf with XSERVER=vesa
[03:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I use Windows quite a bit and have put lots of FLOSS stuff on it
[03:49] <ogra> it will be hellish slow though
[03:50] <cbx33> LaserJock: can't wait to hear your ideas :p
[03:50] <slashdevnull> Just that one line, or the [Default]  stanza as well?
[03:50] <ogra> in the default stanza 
[03:50] <slashdevnull> ok
[03:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: nothing cool, nobody cares about the stuff that is cool to me, unfortunately
[03:50] <jsgotangco> i use windows too but i only use it for games
[03:50] <cbx33> awww
[03:50] <cbx33> nobody cares much about acoustical engineering
[03:51] <ogra> cbx33, i do
[03:51] <cbx33> really ?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> cbx33: do you think a grade schooler would care too
[03:51] <ogra> cbx33, i used to build high end hifi stuff years ago with a friend
[03:51] <cbx33> hmmm if we made it so you blastered away eveil aliens with non-linear differntial equation gun they might
[03:51] <cbx33> ogra: coool
[03:51] <cbx33> I never knew that :p
[03:52] <ogra> i never talk about it :)
[03:52] <cbx33> I built a speaker once for a project at uni
[03:52] <LaserJock> I put latex, Python, bzr, chemistry modeling, emacs/vim, gnuplot, etc.
[03:52] <cbx33> pretty good freq responce
[03:52] <cbx33> even then though my interest was computer related
[03:52] <JaneW> BYE EVERYONE
[03:52] <ogra> JaneW, !!
[03:53] <cbx33> bye JaneW 
[03:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: cyber hug - I am runnign late
[03:53] <LaserJock> cya JaneW, we love you!!
[03:53] <JaneW> I may be around for a while tomorrow :)
[03:53] <ogra> we'll get richard to pull you in from time to time :)
[03:53] <JaneW> ogra: yes, do :)
[03:53] <cbx33> wrote a synthesizer for my thesis - took octave notes at two velocities and interpolated the rest of the notes :p
[03:53] <JaneW> I'll get in on line tomorrow and show him some of the ropes
[03:53] <ogra> JaneW, i'm also pondering making a "JaneW status" item for the fixed meeting agenda ;)
[03:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: *cyber hug*
[03:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: oh, you are at the office?
[03:54] <cbx33> heheh
[03:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[03:54] <ogra> so he can tell us how you're doing ;)
[03:54] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe, good idea
[03:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: but haven;t had a change to get across there
[03:54] <ogra> highvoltage, give her a long tight hug from me
[03:54] <slashdevnull> ogra: No dice so far. Want my lts.conf?
[03:55] <ogra> slashdevnull, yep, paste it to a pastebin
[03:55] <jsgotangco> lookee what i found in our new tollway today
[03:55] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/167099945/
[03:55] <jsgotangco> =D
[03:56] <DanielC> Could someone explain how I know if a package is supported for 3 years or 5?
[03:56] <DanielC> (Dapper)
[03:56] <slashdevnull> http://pastebin.com/708485
[03:57] <ogra> all desktop depending stuff in main == 3 years, everything else == 5
[03:57] <LaserJock> ogra: bah, seb128 is always a tought sell for me, to bad he's so darn good ;-)
[03:57] <LaserJock> s/tought/tough/
[03:58] <DanielC> ogra: How do I know which things are "desktop"? For example, an Edubuntu server will have a lot of things I'd normally think of as desktop (Firefox).
[03:58] <ogra> slashdevnull, X_MODE_0  = 1280x1024 isnt respected at all, X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 is the default anyway, are yu sure the values for X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH are correct ? 
[03:58] <slashdevnull> ogra: this is a slightly modified version of what worked before upgrading. just changed XSERVER and commented out the last line as part of troubleshooting
[03:58] <ogra> LaserJock, we'll soften him, dont worry
[03:58] <slashdevnull> I believe that they are, ogra. Worked with the last version
[03:58] <ogra> DanielC, yes, edubuntu is a 3 year candidate
[03:58] <LaserJock> ogra: I think he'd kill me if he saw that I had MOTU Science push >50 new .desktops in Dapper ;-)
[03:59] <ogra> slashdevnull, comment everything but XSERVER for now and try again
[03:59] <slashdevnull> ogra, should I uncomment the config file line, or lose it?
[03:59] <slashdevnull> ok
[03:59] <ogra> the XF86CONFIG_FILE wont work 
[03:59] <DanielC> ogra: So, when they say "5 years on the server" they are talking about things like LAMP? And Edubuntu is only supported for 3 years?
[03:59] <ogra> its the one detected on the server during ltsp-build-client ...
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm back, she came back with me to say goodbye to someone in my office, but i'll give her that long hard hug just now
[04:00] <ogra> so it only applies to the servers X setup... and gets overwritten on boot ... *unless* you set XF86CONFIG_FILE ;)
[04:00] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks ... give her two ... she deservers it ... no, giver her 10 !
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i might have hurt her
[04:01] <slashdevnull> ogra: Same results. No dice
[04:01] <ogra> DanielC, edubuntu and ltsp both rely on desktop stuff 
[04:01] <highvoltage> ogra: it was just one hug, she has run away now, so i cna't do the other 9
[04:01] <slashdevnull> Ah, DanielC from the lists. Hello.
[04:01] <JaneW> ogra: my arm is now dislocated - thanks! :p
[04:01] <DanielC> ogra: ok
[04:01] <ogra> DanielC, indeed the non desktop related components will be supported for 5 years (i.e. the dhcp server)
[04:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: thanks for the awesome hugs :))
[04:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: *hugs* :)
[04:02] <JaneW> ok gotta run
[04:02] <JaneW> I will pop in tomorrow
[04:02] <ogra> JaneW, i wanted you to take something with you from us :P
[04:02] <ogra> ciao JaneW 
[04:02] <highvoltage> ciao JaneW 
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya
[04:03] <highvoltage> hey bddebian 
[04:03] <highvoltage> bddebian: are you going to paris?
[04:03] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[04:03] <slashdevnull> Hrmm... "The one detected on the server duting ltsp-build-client"...?
[04:03] <bddebian> highvoltage: No :-(
[04:03] <highvoltage> :(
[04:04] <slashdevnull> ogra: I upgraded the server via ssh. I have no idea if X is running properly on it right now, directly, I mean.
[04:04] <ogra> slashdevnull, yes, xorg checks the existing hardware during package install
[04:04] <ogra> since you run ltsp-build-client on the server it generates a xorg.conf for the server ...
[04:04] <slashdevnull> Does that mean that the server and thin clients need to have similar/same video hardware?
[04:04] <DanielC> Damm it. Installing Ubuntu on another computer and the screen went black again.
[04:04] <DanielC> Dapper is severely broken if a lot of being are being hit by this issue.
[04:04] <ogra> during boot the client calls dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and generates the *real* one
[04:04] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:05] <DanielC> How are users expected to finish installation if the screen goes black?
[04:05] <DanielC> I'm doing an oem install. I can't complete it without a screen.
[04:05] <slashdevnull> The xorg.conf that the server was creating via ltsp-build-client, iirc, set up with "ati" as the video driver.
[04:05] <ogra> if XF86CONFIG_FILE is set that step is skipped in the bootprocess and the file you pointed to is used 
[04:06] <ogra> so with XF86CONFIG_FILE = /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf you had forced it to use the same setup your server has in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...
[04:06] <ogra> (at least they should be the same)
[04:07] <slashdevnull> I think there are differences.
[04:07] <ogra> anyway, its wrong :)
[04:07] <slashdevnull> ogra: I can wipe /opt/ltsp/i386 and start over, if that helps
[04:07] <DanielC> ogra: What can I do? The screen went black mid-way through an oem install. Help.
[04:07] <ogra> use XF86CONFIG_FILE like: XF86CONFIG_FILE = /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf.client1 ...
[04:07] <ogra> (and create that file indeed)
[04:08] <ogra> in case you dont want the autodetection at all 
[04:08] <cbx33> DanielC: don;t press Alt+Tab
[04:08] <cbx33> it crashes progress bars
[04:08] <ogra> DanielC, no idea, i have never ever done an oem install in my life
[04:08] <DanielC> cbx33: I haven't done anything yet. What can I do?
[04:08] <cbx33> no you get me to do them :p
[04:08] <ogra> (i probably should)
[04:09] <ogra> slashdevnull, so with only keeping vesa in the file it still didnt work ? 
[04:09] <DanielC> This is the second time this happens, out of two computers. This is *bad*.
[04:09] <DanielC> The first time I was setting up an Edubuntu server.
[04:09] <slashdevnull> ogra: correct
[04:10] <ogra> slashdevnull, what if you remove the file completely ? 
[04:11] <slashdevnull> ogra: I believe that does not work, either. verifying...
[04:12] <slashdevnull> stupid question (double-checking): lts.conf goes in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, right?
[04:13] <ogra> yep
[04:14] <slashdevnull> verified: not working when lts.conf is removed.
[04:14] <slashdevnull> I think I am going to bench the server, put a monitor on it, and make sure that X is working on it locally.
[04:14] <ogra> that doesnt matter
[04:14] <slashdevnull> then clear /opt/ltsp/i386 and start over. That won't help?
[04:15] <slashdevnull> nm, then. :)
[04:15] <DanielC> "stable" my ass.
[04:15] <ogra> btw did you manage to mount from the workstation ?
[04:16] <slashdevnull> y
[04:16] <ogra> DanielC, ?
[04:17] <slashdevnull> What is the next thing that I should see on the ubuntu logo splash screen after mounting? That seems to be where it breaks.
[04:17] <DanielC> ogra: Breezy didn't go black when installing.
[04:17] <DanielC> This is a major bug. It's happened twice in a row (on different hardware).
[04:18] <slashdevnull> They are slightly different beasts. I'm sure it went black on some hardware. 
[04:18] <ogra> DanielC, i havent heard of that problem at any time during the testing phase we had
[04:19] <DanielC> ogra: cbx33 has seen it too.
[04:19] <slashdevnull> ogra, btw, in testing yesterday, i tried getting the thin clients to boot from the older kernel (which I no longer have, from wiping /opt/ltsp/i386). I got further in the process with that.
[04:19] <ogra> DanielC, *nobody* has seen it at a time where we would have been able to fix it
[04:19] <highvoltage> slashdevnull: the kernel doesn't live in /opt/ltsp/i386, it lives in /var/lib/tftpboot
[04:20] <slashdevnull> I know. That's where I changed the symlinks.
[04:20] <slashdevnull> But, that only got me so far, as could be expected. ;)
[04:20] <ogra> we tested instally nearly two months long on many different setups ...
[04:20] <ogra> *installing
[04:20] <DanielC> ogra: cbx33 has a link to the bug report, I don't have the link handy.
[04:20] <ogra> slashdevnull, "That's where I changed the symlinks." ???
[04:20] <ogra> what did you change ? 
[04:21] <highvoltage> that does sound a bit strange.
[04:21] <ogra> (you shouldnt touch /var/lib/tftpboot, ltsp-build-client does that)
[04:21] <slashdevnull> In my troubleshooting, I temporarily repointed initrd.img and vmlinuz to other kernels. They have been moved back since then to where they were before the change
[04:22] <ogra> DanielC, well, when was it filed ? 
[04:22] <DanielC> ogra: I'm looking for the link...
[04:22] <slashdevnull> And, actually, yeah. Since they live outside of /opt, they didn't get wiped as I previously said. I need more coffeee.
[04:22] <ogra> slashdevnull, to be sure, please do: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[04:22] <ogra> err
[04:23] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:23] <ogra> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/* && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[04:23] <ogra> (dont use the first one)
[04:23] <DanielC> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/43722
[04:23] <jsgotangco> hmm what happened to enigmail?
[04:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: just heard back from the travel agency. it sounds like my application went through fine, which means that i should get my visa tomorrow (shew)
[04:23] <DanielC> ogra: Looks like May, but I'm not sure.
[04:24] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: well usually when they ask for ticket and travel insurance i would assume its okay already
[04:24] <slashdevnull> ogra: too late. recreating directories, etc.
[04:24] <slashdevnull> done. rebooting thin client..
[04:25] <DanielC> brb
[04:26] <slashdevnull> i am getting file not found errors from pxe now.
[04:26] <ogra> grmbl perople not using the attachment function to add logfiles in launchpad should be sh**
[04:26] <slashdevnull> I'm happy to have a differnet error. Progress. :)
[04:26] <ogra> slashdevnull, nah, thats a regression :)
[04:27] <slashdevnull> heh
[04:27] <ogra> did you run ltsp-update-kernels as i described above ? 
[04:27] <slashdevnull> I believe so. I have new files in /var/lib/tftpboot
[04:27] <slashdevnull> I believe so. I have new files in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp, rather
[04:27] <DanielC> back
[04:28] <ogra> with the appropriate links (vmlinuz and initrd.img pointing to the right files) ?
[04:28] <slashdevnull> it appears so
[04:28] <ogra> and also a pxeboot dir below ? 
[04:29] <ogra> (pxelinux.cfg)
[04:29] <slashdevnull> http://pastebin.com/708530
[04:29] <ogra> looks ok
[04:29] <slashdevnull> yes. with "default" in it
[04:29] <ogra> yep
[04:31] <ogra> try: sudo apt-get install tftp-hpa && tftp localhost
[04:31] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:31] <jsgotangco> good night
[04:31] <slashdevnull> I have a tftp prompt
[04:32] <slashdevnull> i should learn tftp. :P
[04:32] <ogra> slashdevnull, make sure to run that in your homedir or somewhere, but *not* in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[04:32] <ogra> now just type: get ltsp/vmlinuz
[04:32] <ogra> it should recieve the kernel
[04:33] <slashdevnull> Error code 1: File not found
[04:33] <ogra> you can try the same with ltsp/pxelinux.0
[04:33] <ogra> hmm ? 
[04:33] <slashdevnull> same error
[04:34] <ogra> are you sure you run ubuntu ltsp ?
[04:34] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[04:35] <ogra> dpkg -l|grep tftp
[04:35] <slashdevnull> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[04:35] <slashdevnull> dpkg -l|grep tftp
[04:35] <slashdevnull> ii  tftp-hpa                                   0.40-4.1ubuntu1                       HPA's tftp client
[04:35] <slashdevnull> ii  tftpd-hpa                                  0.40-4.1ubuntu1                       HPA's tftp server
[04:35] <ogra> hmm, looks ok
[04:36] <ogra> try restarting inetd .... sudo killall -HUP inetd
[04:36] <ogra> and the try again 
[04:36] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:36] <slashdevnull> same error
[04:37] <ogra> did you make a new connection ? 
[04:37] <ogra> you need to quit and reconnect the tftp client
[04:37] <slashdevnull> yes
[04:37] <slashdevnull> i did
[04:37] <ogra> and your inetd is running ? 
[04:38] <slashdevnull> it was not, for some reason. I t is now, though. one moment...
[04:39] <slashdevnull>  ps aux | grep -i inet
[04:39] <slashdevnull> root     26042  0.0  0.0   1600   504 ?        Ss   10:39   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[04:39] <ogra> okiu
[04:40] <slashdevnull> got it
[04:40] <slashdevnull> ogra, q: Should inetd be able to be stopped/started by non-root?
[04:40] <ogra> nope
[04:40] <slashdevnull> mine does. :P
[04:41] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[04:41] <ogra>  * Restarting internet superserver... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 4311: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <ogra>                                                                          [ ok ] 
[04:41] <ogra> ...
[04:41] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[04:41] <ogra>  * Restarting internet superserver...                                    [ ok ] 
[04:41] <slashdevnull> $ /etc/init.d/inetd start
[04:41] <slashdevnull>  * Starting internet superserver...                                                      [ ok ] 
[04:41] <slashdevnull> isg@zion2:~/tmp$ ps aux | grep -i inet
[04:41] <slashdevnull> root     26042  0.0  0.0   1600   508 ?        Ss   10:38   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[04:41] <slashdevnull> isg      26085  0.0  0.0   1600   552 ?        Ss   10:41   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[04:41] <slashdevnull> isg      26089  0.0  0.0   2880   800 pts/0    R+   10:41   0:00 grep -i inet
[04:42] <slashdevnull> running both as root and non-root now
[04:44] <ogra> something is pretty broken with your system then 
[04:44] <ogra> how did you start the one running as isg ?
[04:44] <ogra> start-stop-daemon isnt capable to run as user
[04:44] <ogra> (at least it shouldnt)
[04:45] <slashdevnull> I used /etc/init.d/inetd
[04:45] <slashdevnull> script
[04:45] <ogra> which calls start-stop-daemon
[04:45] <pygi> hey hey people
[04:46] <ogra> urgh
[04:46] <slashdevnull> This system is used by students who could have gained root. Maybe it's time for a full wipe and re-install.
[04:46] <ogra> you called it with start instead of restart, right ? 
[04:46] <slashdevnull> yes
[04:46] <slashdevnull> stop and start
[04:46] <ogra> make sure all are killed and start one as root
[04:46] <ogra> then check if it works
[04:47] <slashdevnull> all are stopped. Did that as root.
[04:47] <slashdevnull> ps aux  verified.
[04:47] <ogra> even if you have an inetd running as user, it wont do anything as long as tcpd is caring for the childs
[04:47] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:47] <slashdevnull> started one instance as root via /etc/init.d
[04:47] <slashdevnull> verified. one instance running
[04:47] <slashdevnull> as root
[04:49] <ogra> good
[04:49] <slashdevnull> The thin client boots as far as it did initially. Stalls/backscreens after "mounting root filesystem"
[04:49] <slashdevnull> er, blackscreens
[04:49] <ogra> now check if you get the kernel via tftp
[04:50] <slashdevnull> As non-root: new tftp session, then get ltsp/vmlinuz. Works.
[04:50] <ogra> ok, thats good
[04:50] <ogra> we are at least sure it gets the right kernel now
[04:50] <pygi> bluekuja, poke? :)
[04:51] <slashdevnull> pxe works. I get a kernel. I get an ubuntu splash screen, I supposedly mount the root filesystem, then go black
[04:51] <ogra> there is one "supposedly" to much in that senence
[04:51] <ogra> *sentence
[04:51] <ogra> lets make it *sure*
[04:52] <slashdevnull> The keyboard is reaponsive to numlock/capslock and alt-fkeys. Other than that, nothing seems to be happening
[04:52] <slashdevnull> ogra: heh. :)
[04:52] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:52] <ogra> even better, lets drop usplash for now ...
[04:52] <slashdevnull> groovy
[04:53] <slashdevnull> how/where do I do that?
[04:53] <ogra> just drop "splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
[04:53] <bluekuja> pygi: :)
[04:53] <pygi> bluekuja, progress? :)
[04:53] <bluekuja> pygi: I'm working on the server, login works now
[04:53] <ogra> it has only one line ... just remove the word "splash"
[04:53] <bluekuja> svn too
[04:54] <ogra> (but keep the "quiet", else it scrolls very fast)
[04:54] <pygi> bluekuja, nice, does domain also work?
[04:54] <slashdevnull> splash removed. rebooting thin client
[04:54] <ogra> now lets see where it hangs :)
[04:54] <bluekuja> I didn't tried it
[04:54] <bluekuja> *try
[04:54] <bluekuja> before
[04:54] <bluekuja> maybe we can do it now
[04:54] <pygi> bluekuja, oki :)
[04:54] <bluekuja> pm then
[04:56] <slashdevnull> ogra: I am halting at the same place. Last line: rootserver: 192.168.4.2 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
[04:56] <ogra> nothing below ?
[04:56] <slashdevnull> nope
[04:57] <ogra> can you restart portmap and nfs-kernel-server and try booting again 
[04:57] <ogra> ?
[04:57] <slashdevnull> It appears to have grabbed and uncomperssed the kernel, grabbed network info (ip addr, domain, etc.) then that line
[04:57] <slashdevnull> ok
[04:57] <ogra> (and use "restart")
[04:58] <slashdevnull> done. rebooting client...
[04:59] <slashdevnull> same results
[05:00] <ogra> ok, try mounting from the workstation again ... this is getting weird, but i'm sure its not an X issue or anything with your graphics card noe
[05:00] <ogra> *now
[05:01] <slashdevnull> ok
[05:02] <slashdevnull> mounted
[05:02] <ogra> really ? 
[05:02] <slashdevnull> I see the root filesystem in /mnt on the workstation now
[05:02] <ogra> hrm
[05:02] <slashdevnull> bin, boot, etc.
[05:02] <ogra> try booting the client again, thats strange
[05:04] <slashdevnull> thin client rebooted. stuck at the same place
[05:04] <ogra> give it some time ...
[05:04] <ogra> it should drop you to busybox or something at least after a timeout ...
[05:04] <slashdevnull> ok
[05:04] <slashdevnull> i have 12 thin clients to work with, so I can let one sit, if there's anything to try on other ones
[05:05] <ogra> usually it prints out something like /sbin/init not found
[05:05] <ogra> erm, the other ones work fine ? 
[05:05] <slashdevnull> in the usplash screen, in "mounting root filesystem", it says "ok" on the right hand sid, before the screen blacks.
[05:05] <ogra> did you try a different one ? 
[05:05] <slashdevnull> no, none of the thins work
[05:06] <slashdevnull> same problem all around (thank the gods)
[05:06] <ogra> hrm :/
[05:12] <ogra> how much memory do these clients have ? 
[05:13] <slashdevnull> lots. 1gb
[05:14] <slashdevnull> They are booted into thin or fat mode, depending on what we need them for at the time
[05:14] <ogra> ok
[05:15] <ogra> have you got a liveCD handy by chance ? 
[05:16] <slashdevnull> yes, I do
[05:16] <ogra> to boot one client from for testing ...
[05:16] <ogra> so lets check what that does
[05:17] <ogra> i have no idea at all whats causing this ... you should at least get a nfs timeout ast some point, or some other error message
[05:18] <slashdevnull> I also have the client PCs installed locally with Ubuntu 6.06.
[05:18] <slashdevnull> I'll go boot one off the livecd
[05:19] <slashdevnull> First option, I assume: "Start or install ubuntu"?
[05:20] <ogra> yep
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have locale issues, and 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' just regenerates them. does anyone know what i have to dpkg to get the option to select locales to generate? 
[05:22] <slashdevnull> livecd could not start x
[05:22] <ogra> aha
[05:23] <slashdevnull> A workinjg 6.06 workstation (non-thin) has Driver "fglrx" at 1280x1024 in xorg.conf
[05:24] <slashdevnull> er, working
[05:24] <ogra> ok, seems the ati kernel driver is broken for you... if fglrx works it will be a bit tricky to set up on the client ...
[05:25] <slashdevnull> yay. ;P
[05:25] <slashdevnull> :)
[05:25] <slashdevnull> I'm up for the challenge
[05:27] <slashdevnull> Do I need to, like, chroot into the thin client environment and apt-get install fglrx drivers or something?
[05:30] <slashdevnull> ogra, for future reference (because I may need to set up Ubuntu ltsp for a customer in the near future) am I better off with nVidia vs. ATI if the thins have newer video cards in them?
[05:37] <slashdevnull> ogra: I was able to get the livecd system into X with the radeon driver. Doesn't seem to work for me with the thin client, however.
[05:38] <lucasvo> anybody know how to make a screenshot on an ibook?
[05:39] <highvoltage> do you have gimp installed?
[05:39] <highvoltage> you could click on File -> Aquire -> Screenshot
[05:40] <lucasvo> highvoltage: ok, I'll try that
[05:55] <ogra> slashdevnull, there is no point in usin any GL card at all over ltsp, since you dont have access to the clients /dev/dri from the X session on the server
[05:56] <ogra> so GL wont waork anyways
[05:57] <ogra> yeah, chroot into the client root and first of all install linux-386
[05:57] <ogra> that will give you the linux-restricted-modules package
[05:58] <slashdevnull> doing it...
[05:58] <slashdevnull> installed
[05:59] <ogra> ok, first try if the client boots with that now ...
[05:59] <slashdevnull> ogra: I am about to get called away into  a meeting. 
[05:59] <ogra> (its unlikely but testing it is cheap)
[05:59] <slashdevnull> Will do. Checking...
[06:00] <ogra> ok, just ping again later and we'll add fglrx to the modules in initramfs of the client then
[06:00] <ogra> (in case this test doesnt work)
[06:00] <slashdevnull> test failed. same results
[06:01] <slashdevnull> or at least, yields same results. ;)
[06:01] <pygi> ogra, mandriva is including bonfire ;P
[06:01] <pygi> joy :)
[06:01] <ogra> ubuntu too ... in universe afetr you packaged it and becamme a MOTU :P
[06:02] <pygi> ogra, that will take ages :P
[06:02] <pygi> ogra, but I meant in ship :P
[06:02] <slashdevnull> heh
[06:02] <pygi> (for mandriva)
[06:02] <pygi> ogra, packaging is not a problem, that should happen soon :)
[06:02] <ogra> how big is ship of mmandriva, and do i get commercial support for it  there ? 
[06:03] <pygi> not sure, and I don't really care as I don't use it :P
[06:03] <ogra> i'm pretty sure they ship several CDs and have the luxury of space 
[06:04] <ogra> and i really doubt they give commercial support for everything they ship
[06:04] <pygi> no worries, I won't switch to mandriva :P
[06:05] <ogra> nah, i'm just giving the rationale why we wouldnt include it in ship :)
[06:05] <slashdevnull> ogra: What's next for fglrx/ltsp? apt-get install the fglrx stuffs?
[06:05] <ogra> yeps
[06:05] <slashdevnull> xorg-driver-fglrx. ok.
[06:05] <ogra> and then fiddling wirh the initramfs settings and regenerating the initramfs ...
[06:05] <pygi> ogra, no worries, no need to include it even in main ;)
[06:05] <pygi> universe if fine ;)
[06:06] <slashdevnull> driver installed
[06:06] <ogra> after that, run ltsp-update-kernels to copy it over to the tftproot
[06:06] <slashdevnull> outside of chroot, right?
[06:06] <ogra> yes, but first the initramfs (in the chroot)
[06:07] <ogra> add fglrx to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[06:07] <ogra> then run update-initramfs -u in the chroot
[06:08] <ogra> then the above on the server and try to boot
[06:08] <ogra> hmm, you might need a custom xorg.conf or an XSERVER entry in lts.conf i'm pretty sure the autodetection will never use fglrx by default
[06:09] <slashdevnull> ok
[06:09] <slashdevnull> update-initramfs done in chroot. now doing outside of chroot...
[06:09] <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels
[06:10] <slashdevnull> gotcha
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: if you install compiz/xglserver in the chroot...
[06:10] <slashdevnull> done
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: would the 3D parts be processes locally on the client?
[06:10] <ogra> highvoltage, leave me alone with xgl pleaser
[06:10] <slashdevnull> no compiz
[06:10] <ogra> nope
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i should've expected something like that... sorry :)
[06:10] <ogra> you need device access you dont have 
[06:11] <highvoltage> ok, that answers my question. thanks.
[06:11] <ogra> same as for xorg :)
[06:11] <slashdevnull> ogra: I need to go to that meeting now. Damn.
[06:11] <ogra> xgl is the worst crap evah ... its a proof of concept thing that people think they can use for real
[06:12] <ogra> (not that xgl is bad, but the marketing made around it)
[06:12] <slashdevnull> I think my only next step along these lines is pointing at an xorg.conf that references the fglrx driver
[06:12] <slashdevnull> hope to be back in a nhour or so. Thanks for all of the help.
[06:12] <ogra> slashdevnull, you could first try with an XSERVER stanza in lts.conf
[06:12] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[06:18] <highvoltage> ogra: i realise that (about xgl). i was just asking hypothetically, to improve my understanding of whether it would work or not.
[06:18] <ogra> it wouldnt since the problem persists
[07:56] <sbartleylinux> ogra_: ping
[07:58] <sthelen> register woodcut3
[08:06] <sthelen> I'm having some issues with the administration part of Edubuntu.  Could anyone help?
[08:07] <sthelen> the version I'm using is 6.06 with the installer.
[08:17] <cbx33> ping ogra ogra__ 
[08:17] <cbx33> can we have a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew in the topic or something?
[08:22] <cbx33> new minutes are out
[08:22] <crimsun_> cbx33: (you can adjust the topic; it's not locked)
[08:23] <cbx33> oh?
[08:23] <crimsun_> (the channel's not +t)
[08:27] <ogra__> cbx33, we have the meeting agenda there which links to the meeting records
[08:27] <ogra__> i think that should suffice
[08:27] <cbx33> ok
[08:28] <cbx33> sorry ogra__ 
[08:28] <cbx33> do the minutes look ok?
[08:28] <cbx33> i know you like to check em through
[08:30] <spacey> any ekiga users here? (or someone who does anything with line-in)
[08:30] <sbartleylinux> ogra__: When can we talk about printing?
[08:31] <spacey> i can hear myself on the speakers when i talk in the microphone, but ekiga doesn't pick up the sound (neither does gnome sound recorder)
[08:31] <spacey> really frustrating
[08:31] <spacey> and now it stopped working all together
[08:32] <spacey> oh wait it still works like that
[08:37] <slashdevnull> ogra__: I'm back. Still no joy.
[08:38] <slashdevnull> I'm wondering if I can use the radeon driver, since that seems to work on the livecd. Or, if it's even a video problem at all. Maybe things are borking pre-X driver
[08:57] <cbx33> ogra__, is it tonight for the scp meeting?
[09:05] <slashdevnull> hello, ogra_
[09:06] <slashdevnull> I have a new question: How do I downgrade back to 5.10? ;)
[09:08] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[09:09] <rodarvus> cbx33: hey hey
[09:09] <cbx33> oh dear
[09:09] <LaserJock> rodarvus: doh
[09:18] <lucasvo> not much activity today, eh?
[09:29] <rodarvus> lucasvo: actually, we had lots of activity just a few hours ago
[09:36] <EmxBA> hi again :)
[09:45] <EmxBA> can anyone see this
[09:46] <EmxBA> http://85.92.240.33/
[09:47] <lucasvo> EmxBA: what's this?
[09:47] <lucasvo> a wardriving event?
[09:48] <EmxBA> just few screenhsots of my wireless card and kismet in action :)
[09:48] <EmxBA> I am running apache on my box
[09:48] <EmxBA> I'm connected to net over dialup
[09:48] <EmxBA> apache works fine for me :)
[09:48] <EmxBA> http://85.92.240.33/ is my IP :)
[09:48] <EmxBA> ping me if you want , or use nmap :)
[09:51] <EmxBA> hi pygi
[09:51] <cbx33> pygi, are we having the scp meeting in 10 mins?
[09:52] <EmxBA> scp? can you explain it to me :)
[09:52] <pygi> cbx33, that is today? :P
[09:52] <highvoltage> ogra__: i'm on the -users admin, but i don't have the list passwd
[09:52] <lucasvo> student-control-panel
[09:52] <cbx33> ?!?!?
[09:52] <EmxBA> ok
[09:52] <lucasvo> EmxBA: something like Apple Remote Desktop for Linux
[09:52] <EmxBA> heh
[09:52] <lucasvo> Let's say for thinclients
[09:52] <lucasvo> cbx33: am I wrong?
[09:53] <cbx33> no
[09:53] <cbx33> i was just confused by pygi's comment
[09:53] <lucasvo> ah
[09:54] <pygi> cbx33, was joking, no worries :)
[09:55] <lucasvo> I'll try to attend as well
[09:55] <lucasvo> cbx33: where is it?
[09:55] <cbx33> here i think
[09:55] <EmxBA> so tomorrow is edubuntu cookbook meeting
[09:55] <lucasvo> ok
[09:55] <EmxBA> pygi,   I woul really like to join edubuntu cookbook team, i've found it really good for me
[09:56] <EmxBA> so i would be very active
[09:56] <EmxBA> you don't have to let me in, I just want to contribute
[09:56] <pygi> cbx33, right, if ogra is here, we can have meeting
[09:56] <EmxBA> maybe somewhere else, not on LP, pygi
[09:56] <pygi> altought ogra wrote a spec with needed features, so no need to talk much :P
[09:57] <cbx33> true
[09:57] <bluekuja> hey pygi
[09:57] <bluekuja> small question: who made the package?
[09:57] <EmxBA> hi bluekuja, i mean andrea
[09:58] <pygi> blue-frog, the script :P
[09:58] <bluekuja> hi EmxBA  :)
[09:58] <EmxBA> hi :)
[09:58] <pygi> bluekuja, *
[09:58] <pygi> ergh, I hate this tab thingy :P
[09:58] <bluekuja> Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.6' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.4
[09:59] <bluekuja> version goes to 0.10 to 0.10.6
[09:59] <bluekuja> why 10.4 not work?
[10:00] <pygi> because it won't :P 
[10:00] <pygi> It's buggy :P
[10:00] <bluekuja> oh great
[10:00] <pygi> .6 is also buggy, but less buggy :P
[10:00] <bluekuja> there seems to be a problem with .6 too
[10:00] <bluekuja> i mean in packaging
[10:00] <pygi> bleh, like what? :P
[10:01] <bluekuja> available version is .4
[10:01] <bluekuja> both extras-updates-core
[10:01] <bluekuja> so it's only available browsing google
[10:02] <pygi> bah :-/
[10:02] <bluekuja> pygi: need to fix build requires
[10:02] <pygi> bluekuja, it requires .6 :P 
[10:03] <pygi> If it doesn't have it, rather don't make package :P
[10:03] <bluekuja> np for it, I'll try to make -6 working
[10:04] <lucasvo> cbx33: are we redy to start?
[10:04] <bluekuja> it's urgent?
[10:04] <bluekuja> or you can wait
[10:04] <pygi> bluekuja, I can wait I think :P
[10:04] <cbx33> well I'm ready, but we really need ogra  - pygi did he say he could attend?
[10:04] <pygi> cbx33, yes :P
[10:05] <bluekuja> pygi: 1 motnh?
[10:05] <bluekuja> *month
[10:05] <bluekuja> I don't have a rpm based system on my laptop
[10:05] <pygi> bluekuja, ah, well :P
[10:05] <Amaranth> ogra: ping?
[10:05] <Amaranth> we missed our meeting :)
[10:06] <Amaranth> and i missed the edubuntu meeting, oops
[10:06] <EmxBA> hi Amaranth
[10:07] <bluekuja> pygi: I'll try to work on it with laptop
[10:07] <bluekuja> (rpm building on ubuntu, great)
[10:07] <pygi> bluekuja, no need, don't worry
[10:07] <pygi> I'll find someone else
[10:07] <bluekuja> pygi: NO
[10:08] <EmxBA> anyone got hacked into open wireless before?
[10:08] <pygi> nah, just you go wherever you have to go :P
[10:08] <bluekuja> i want to do it
[10:08] <pygi> and enjoy, don't work
[10:08] <cbx33> EmxBA, I've hack WEP wireless before
[10:08] <EmxBA> using what?
[10:08] <EmxBA> wepcracker?
[10:09] <pygi> cbx33, don't teach people how to crack :P
[10:09] <bluekuja> pygi: sea,girls, drink 
[10:09] <cbx33> I wouldn't dream of it
[10:09] <cbx33> I merely said I'd done it :p
[10:09] <EmxBA> pygi, not cracking, hacking into OPEN wireless 
[10:10] <pygi> hacking Open wireless? wth? 
[10:10] <cbx33> do you own the wireless
[10:10] <pygi> if it's open, why crack it?
[10:10] <cbx33> if not it's still against the law
[10:10] <EmxBA> no, i don't own the wireless
[10:10] <cbx33> then don;t use it
[10:10] <pygi> cbx33, here you could do whatever you want like that
[10:11] <pygi> there is no law against hacking really
[10:11] <cbx33> really?
[10:11] <cbx33> cool
[10:11] <EmxBA> i just asked did any of you connected using someone's other wireless connection
[10:11] <EmxBA> which was open, not secured by wep
[10:11] <pygi> there is *something*, but that is not useful to anyone :P
[10:11] <bluekuja> pygi: will you be in paris?
[10:11] <pygi> bluekuja, no :-/
[10:12] <bluekuja> pygi: unfortunately i wont be there too :(
[10:12] <bluekuja> pygi: debconf on edinburg?
[10:12] <bluekuja> next year
[10:12] <EmxBA> no
[10:12] <pygi> bluekuja, neither that :-/
[10:13] <EmxBA> debconf in bosnia maybe :)
[10:13] <EmxBA> see official site ;)
[10:13] <bluekuja> EmxBA: do you know what debconf is?
[10:13] <bluekuja> nice
[10:13] <bluekuja> i want italy hehe
[10:13] <EmxBA> bluekuja: debian conference
[10:13] <bluekuja> but quite sure edinburg
[10:13] <EmxBA> i want bosnia
[10:13] <EmxBA> :)
[10:15] <bluekuja> too far away
[10:15] <bluekuja> from my city
[10:15] <EmxBA> i'll pay bus for you :)
[10:15] <bluekuja> bus?
[10:15] <bluekuja> 1 month trip?
[10:15] <EmxBA> no
[10:16] <EmxBA> 2 months trip plus hotel with 5 stars ;)
[10:16] <bluekuja> lol
[10:16] <bluekuja> nice
[10:16] <EmxBA> :)
[10:16] <ark__> is this the Student Control Panel meeting?
[10:17] <bluekuja> ark__: i don't know
[10:17] <bluekuja> cbx33: ping
[10:17] <pygi> cbx33, what are we going to do without ogra ? :-/
[10:17] <pygi> ark__, it's supposed to be :P
[10:17] <cbx33> nothing
[10:17] <EmxBA> what are we going to do without JaneW
[10:17] <EmxBA> have you seen her mail?
[10:18] <pygi> EmxBA, we know that ages ago :P
[10:18] <ark__> I thought it was supposed to be at #student-panel
[10:18] <EmxBA> pygi: oh, ok :(
[10:18] <pygi> ark__, ah, well
[10:18] <pygi> my fault probably :P
[10:19] <pygi> bluekuja, debconf is in 1 month?
[10:19] <ark__> so ogra is not here?
[10:19] <EmxBA> pygi, will you be on Edubuntu Cookbook meeting tomorrow
[10:19] <EmxBA> she is her
[10:19] <bluekuja> I know that it's once a year
[10:19] <pygi> ark__, what do you need? Perhaps I could help you? :)
[10:19] <EmxBA> but it looks like she's away form computer
[10:20] <pygi> bleh, outdated computer :P
[10:20] <pygi> EmxBA, what are you talking about? :P
[10:20] <ark__> I read on the edubuntu dev list that there was going to be a discussion about S-C-P
[10:20] <pygi> ark__, you are right :)
[10:20] <pygi> What you wanna discuss? :)
[10:20] <EmxBA> tomorrow's Edubuntu Cookbook meeting
[10:21] <EmxBA> lots of things :-P
[10:21] <ark__> I am the developer of Fl_TeacherTool
[10:22] <ark__> I wanted to share my experience of that to help SCP in edubuntu
[10:22] <EmxBA> can anyone help me
[10:22] <pygi> ark__, nice, thanks ;)
[10:22] <EmxBA> how can i see list of newly installed apps
[10:22] <EmxBA> maybe in synaptic
[10:22] <ark__> I thought about doing a port but things are a bit different in muekow and don't have much time now anyway
[10:22] <EmxBA> or in apt
[10:23] <pygi> Perhaps you could also help in implementation if you know python? 
[10:23] <pygi> ark__, eh, sadly yes :-/
[10:23] <ark__> this is my first time using irc so be kind
[10:23] <pygi> ark__, no worries :)
[10:23] <EmxBA> pygi: can you help me find a list of newly installed apps
[10:24] <pygi> EmxBA, later :P
[10:24] <EmxBA> ok
[10:24] <pygi> don't you see we are discussing :P
[10:24] <EmxBA> anyone else?
[10:24] <ark__> I know muekow uses ssh to the clients that's why there is more sys req on the clients
[10:24] <pygi> ark__, right
[10:25] <ark__> it requires me to modify some system calls in my code
[10:25] <ark__> Eric Harrison has accepted Fl_TT into K12LTSP
[10:25] <ark__> in fact he helped with the integration
[10:26] <ark__> We now have monitor/control and broadcasting
[10:26] <pygi> yup, saw that
[10:26] <pygi> is it good "safe"/security wise?
[10:26] <pygi> (the vnc implementation)
[10:26] <ark__> As safe as LTSP
[10:27] <ark__> Nothing is encrypted from the server to the clients
[10:27] <ark__> i
[10:27] <ark__> it's just X
[10:30] <pygi> ark__, right
[10:31] <ark__> sorry I was on the phone
[10:31] <lucasvo> ark__: can you also shut down the clients from your control panel?
[10:31] <ark__> lucasvo: actually this is a major thread in the k12ltsp list now
[10:32] <lucasvo> ark__: how to implement it?
[10:32] <ark__> lucasvo: answer is no but because Eric says it's a huge security risk
[10:33] <lucasvo> well. depends on the implementation
[10:33] <slashdevnull> can i tap someone here for some ltsp help? I've been working on this all day, and most of the day yesterday.
[10:33] <lucasvo> slashdevnull: what's wrong?
[10:33] <slashdevnull> ogra was helping earlier, but is probably not around
[10:34] <ark__> I have to take a break for a moment 
[10:34] <slashdevnull> lucasvo, I think I have it troubleshot down to a nfs problem
[10:34] <pygi> ark__, ok, enjoy :)
[10:34] <slashdevnull> I am running 6.06 (upgraded from 5.10, with the thin client portion completely re-re-re-re-installed).
[10:35] <slashdevnull> When I boot a thin client, it gets t oa certain point, and stops.
[10:35] <lucasvo> which point?
[10:35] <slashdevnull> The final error message that I get now is "nfs: server 192.168.4.2 not responding, still trying"
[10:36] <slashdevnull> That's after modifying the boot to be more verbose, and not use usplash
[10:36] <cbx33> right I'm off guys sorry
[10:36] <slashdevnull> I can mount the nfs share from other systems on the same network segment
[10:36] <cbx33> we'll have to have the meeting at another time
[10:37] <lucasvo> slashdevnull: sorry, I don't know what I would do in that case
[10:37] <slashdevnull> alright, thanks anyhow
[10:49] <EmxBA> see ya
[11:07] <bluekuja> cbx33: hello pete
[11:09] <cbx33> hi
[11:10] <bluekuja> did the mail arrived you about this bug? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-meta/+bug/49768
[11:10] <bluekuja> i received it right now, I was opening browser to answer
[11:11] <bluekuja> I don't understand why he pointed the  bug to edubuntu-meta
[11:11] <bluekuja> pygi: hey mario
[11:12] <pygi> morning andrea
[11:15] <pygi> :)
[11:17] <bluekuja> pygi: i was answering to a "bug"
[11:17] <bluekuja> in lp
[11:17] <bluekuja> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-meta/+bug/49768
[11:17] <bluekuja> nice to see people that try to open .exe files on a linux system
[11:17] <pygi> lol :)
[11:17] <pygi> bluekuja, what's wrong with exe files? :)
[11:17] <bluekuja> :P
[11:18] <pygi> Diva consists of bunch of .exe (one actually :P) and lots of dll's :P
[11:18] <bluekuja> aww
[11:18] <bluekuja> so you're exe pro
[11:18] <pygi> that's Mono/C# tho, but not regular exe :P
[11:19] <bluekuja> ok, that's better
[11:25] <pygi> bluekuja, saw comment on gnomefiles? :)
[11:26] <bluekuja> pygi: nope, can you post me the link again?
[11:26] <bluekuja> i need to vote too
[11:26] <pygi> http://www.gnomefiles.org/comment.php?soft_id=1158#5498
[11:26] <pygi> and give some good comment :P
[11:27] <bluekuja> lol, I need to try it, but i trust you
[11:27] <pygi> bleh, nothing until edgy :P
[11:27] <bluekuja> I trust your coding skills
[11:27] <pygi> you saw nothing I coded :P
[11:28] <bluekuja> I know
[11:28] <pygi> how can you trust my coding skills then? :P
[11:28] <bluekuja> I just trsut
[11:28] <bluekuja> *trust
[11:28] <bluekuja> :)
[11:30] <ark__> This is not on topic but I read Jane W. is leaving canonical. Is Oliver G. also leaving? 
[11:30] <pygi> ark__, ofcourse he is not
[11:30] <ark__> Good. I thought it was some kind of restructuring by Canonical
[11:31] <ark__> Does anyone know when the next discussion of S-C-P is scheduled?
[11:32] <pygi> ark__, you'll just have to talk to me about it and ogra and cbx33
[11:32] <pygi> no date set really :)
[11:35] <pygi> ark__, you can poke me always at mail
[11:35] <pygi> if you want?
[11:36] <ark__> okay. I sent an email a few weeks ago to Jonathon, you and Oliver and I got no replies so I thought I would show up here
[11:36] <pygi> ark__, to me? you sure in that? :P
[11:36] <pygi> mario dot danic at gmail dot com? :)
[11:37] <ark__> pretty sure. let me check
[11:38] <ark__> yes on June 2
[11:39] <pygi> hm, whats ur mail?
[11:39] <ark__> robark at gmail
[11:39] <pygi> k, lemme check pls
[11:39] <pygi> sec
[11:40] <pygi> ark__, indeed you have, gmail server is acting weird :-/
[11:40] <pygi> sorry, lemme read the mail
[11:40] <ark__> no prob
[11:40] <pygi> ah, right
[11:41] <pygi> we do kinda have already a base code for control panel
[11:41] <pygi> have you seen it?
[11:41] <ark__> yes breifly. It's in python with the gui in gtk
[11:41] <pygi> indeed
[11:41] <pygi> we just lack most of the features :P
[11:42] <ark__> But I noticed that you guys are trying to add most of the features I already have implemented
[11:42] <pygi> bluekuja, where's the comment :P
[11:42] <pygi> ark__, indeed :)
[11:42] <bluekuja> pygi: just a moment and it will be there :)
[11:43] <ark__> Mine is coded in C++ (it's basically 2 classes) with the gui in fltk 
[11:43] <ark__> have you heard of fltk?
[11:43] <Amaranth> a fltk gui can't be used
[11:44] <ark__> What's the reason for not allowing fltk
[11:44] <Amaranth> it, uh, looks out of place
[11:44] <pygi> ark__, ofcourse  I have heard of it :P
[11:44] <Amaranth> S-C-P is a major thing, it has to blend with the desktop
[11:46] <ark__> I have a screenshot on my page. It's not a gtk app that's obvious. It looks more like MacOSX style
[11:46] <LaserJock> ark__: what's the URL?
[11:46] <pygi> ark__, it looks more like to blend with xfce :P
[11:47] <ark__> http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/
[11:47] <pygi> yes, saw it already :P
[11:48] <ark__> The new version 0.32 actually has ip # instead of hostnames
[11:49] <ark__> In any case, even if fltk is not allowed ogra can read my code to help implement SCP because some of the system calls should be the same
[11:52] <ark__> the callbacks should not be all that different. I am however using a vector of student structs as my data object. Don't know if python has template like generics
[11:53] <ark__> Another thing to look at is vncreflector. I don't know any other way to do broadcasting
[11:54] <ark__> And as for controlling/shadowing/monitoring. Eric built a vnc.so module for ltsp 4.2 that basically lets all the clients run a vncserver like X extension.
[11:55] <ark__> He built it inside the LTSP build environement 
[11:56] <pygi> right
[12:00] <ark__> Well in any  case I just feel if ogra wants any input from me I don't mind sharing my experience and feedback from the k12ltsp list
[12:01] <pygi> ark__, thanks ;)
[12:01] <ark__> BTW I use two version of vnc. tight is for the reflector and real is for the control monitor feature
[12:02] <pygi> ark__, eh, that is not so good :P
[12:02] <ark__> what?
[12:02] <pygi> well, two vnc stuff :)
[12:03] <ark__> there is only one vnc server running. realvnc. but vncreflector is a vnc proxy and it integrates well with tightvnc viewer. It works great.
[12:05] <pygi> right, I get it :P
[12:06] <ark__> this is the type of stuff I could chat with the dev of SCP. I was hoping ogra would be here