[12:03] <betty1> I have a question
[12:04] <betty1> I want to add something to crontab to shutdown the computer at 10:00PM but the file permission is root. Is there a way to edit the file by not logging in as root?
[12:04] <geneo93> just ask
[12:04] <[BU] Brizz> betty1: sudo?
[12:05] <betty1> well I tried sudo crontab but that didn't modify the crontab
[12:05] <LjL> betty1: sudo nano /etc/crontab
[12:05] <david__> kdesu "whatever your using to edit crontab"
[12:05] <GillesM> hello since I upgraded in dapper I got for all the gtk program the Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap(): pixmap must have a colormap
[12:05] <geneo93> well you need editer
[12:05] <david__> kdesu kate perhaps
[12:06] <geneo93> mc is my fav
[12:06] <betty1> great it works
[12:06] <david__> say, anyone know how to play mp4s?
[12:06] <david__> its really steaming my muffin
[12:06] <betty1> now I want to make the system shutdown properly at 11:00PM every night
[12:06] <david__> like, which codec do i need
[12:06] <geneo93> w32 i think
[12:07] <david__> in the default repositories?
[12:07] <[BU] Brizz> is it rreally an mp4 or is it divx or xvid or something?
[12:08] <david__> its just a music file with .mp4 extension
[12:08] <[BU] Brizz> music, hmm
[12:09] <david__> so... no answers to that question?
[12:10] <geneo93> libmp4v2-0
[12:10] <[BU] Brizz> ^^ :)
[12:10] <[BU] Brizz> hehe
[12:10] <geneo93> just install mplayer
[12:10] <Aapzak> evenin'
[12:10] <david__> it says i have it already
[12:11] <david__> i'm trying to get this to work for beep
[12:11] <david__> which i love with a passion
[12:11] <Laervian> good evening
[12:11] <david__> 'ello
[12:11] <crimsun_> LiteHedded: boot with " acpi=off"
[12:11] <geneo93> xmms redone but no mplayer plugin for it yet
[12:11] <th0m4s> now someone mentioned using vmware on linux earlier because it's free
[12:11] <th0m4s> what about qemu or something
[12:11] <david__> so does that mean no mp4s?
[12:12] <geneo93> yup
[12:12] <david__> dang
[12:12] <[BU] Brizz> I love amaroK
[12:12] <geneo93> mplayer does everything
[12:12] <th0m4s> also where the hell do i get it i can't find it
[12:13] <geneo93> even has mozilla plugin
[12:13] <LjL> th0m4s: i don't think that vmware is free
[12:13] <david__> does it play every media format?
[12:13] <david__> like winamp 5?
[12:13] <th0m4s> LjL: i didn't think so either because it's $189 for linux
[12:13] <th0m4s> and yet someone in here earlier was ranting and raving about how vmware is free for linux
[12:13] <LjL> th0m4s: there's the VMWare player, that is free (both for Linux and Windows AFAIK)
[12:13] <[BU] Brizz> i like mplayer but I use amaroK for music playing
[12:13] <th0m4s> 14:16 < nixternal`2go> vmware = free for linux
[12:14] <LjL> th0m4s: however, that doesn't allow doing some stuff. namely, creating new virtual machines
[12:14] <david__> i dont like amarok though... the layout bothers me
[12:14] <th0m4s> well he was the one saying that you CAN
[12:14] <[BU] Brizz> I don't look at the layout typically
[12:14] <david__> i like beep because of its winamp like layout
[12:14] <th0m4s> i didn't believe him then and don't now
[12:14] <th0m4s> nixternal: wake up
[12:14] <[BU] Brizz> but I like it's organizational features better than most players
[12:14] <david__> i dont like xmms because of its crappy menus
[12:14] <[BU] Brizz> I'm looking more forward to Songbird for Linux though
[12:14] <betty1> that was a mean trick
[12:14] <david__> i'm thinking i should just set up winamp on wine
[12:15] <LjL> th0m4s: you probably can download the vmware workstation trial, create a virtual machine with that, and then keep using that VM with the free player
[12:15] <th0m4s> LjL: lol
[12:15] <betty1> I change the system time to 10:05PM and the system starts shutting down
[12:15] <th0m4s> that's evil
[12:15] <LjL> th0m4s: not sure if there are any further limitations though
[12:15] <LjL> th0m4s: that might be evil but it's legal, as far as i can see
[12:16] <betty1> so * 22 * * * root halt shuts down the system on the hour of 10:00PM and I wanted it to shutdown at 10:00PM
[12:16] <betty1> I believe
[12:16] <LjL> betty1: it should do that, yes
[12:16] <betty1> or is that right?
[12:17] <betty1> if I make it * 22 00 * * * root halt would that shutdown the system at exactly 10:00PM not 10:05PM
[12:17] <LjL> betty1: or rather, not - actually yes ;-) i made a(nother) mistake there, it should begin with "0 22". guess it will still work, anyway
[12:17] <LjL> betty1: no, the third parameter is *not* the minutes -- the first parameter is
[12:17] <betty1> oh ok
[12:17] <LjL> betty1: anyway, "* 22" would made it run "halt" on *every* minute, which includes 22:00...
[12:17] <betty1> what was that one command, sudo something /etc/crontab
[12:18] <LjL> betty1: sudo nano /etc/crontab  , or kdesu kate /etc/crontab
[12:18] <betty1> ok thanks!
[12:18] <Cayou> Hello, I just installed the ATI drivers with easyubuntu, do you guys know how to enable the drivers?
[12:19] <LjL> !ati
[12:19] <ubotu> ati is probably http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[12:19] <Cayou> mine is radeon 9600
[12:19] <devlin-7> nixternal: Did a temp. fix... installed an old 10.2G harddrive... loaded perfectly.. I'll have to say it maybe something in the  Maxtor model: 6Y080P0 that Ubuntu/Kubuntu's loader doesn't like.
[12:20] <betty1> anyway to have a message popup before 10:00 alerting the user that the systems shuting down in the GUI?
[12:20] <LjL> betty1: not as easy
[12:20] <LjL> betty1: hold on
[12:20] <david__> so, is there a codec for playing .m4a files?
[12:21] <geneo93> m4a is quicktime
[12:21] <crimsun_> david__: yes, both libxine-extracodecs and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse contain them
[12:22] <LjL> betty1: main problem is that, by default, the root user cannot open windows on the user's desktop. so, you'd have to put something in the crontab that runs as the *specific* user... which might be OK, but only if there is only one user you're concerned about (or at least a very limited set of users)
[12:22] <betty1> Yeah that would work ok
[12:23] <geneo93> group maybe
[12:24] <LjL> betty1: then you could add to your crontab something like:   55 21 * * * username kdialog --sorry "Shutting down in 5 minutes"
[12:24] <LjL> betty1: where "username" is the user concerned
[12:26] <Aapzak> betty1: you could put a file with a message in the users dir and make another (user) script check that file every minute and popup whatever is in that file
[12:26] <betty1> Well thank you Ljl for helping me
[12:26] <Aapzak> betty1: so roots cron makes that file, users cron sees it and opens popup on your screen
[12:28] <Aapzak> betty1: I would not make a users cronjob, but a daemon script that gets autoexecuted on startup and sleeps most of the time
[12:28] <LjL> Aapzak: client has quit
[12:28] <Aapzak> oyeah
[12:28] <Aapzak> :)
[12:28] <Aapzak> maybe he reads logs from this channel somewhere ;)
[12:28] <LjL> anyway, as a sidenote... betty1 didn't know how to edit a config file as root -- perhaps scripting is best left for later ;)
[12:29] <Aapzak> you're right
[12:29] <[BU] Brizz> lol
[12:29] <[BU] Brizz> well a while ago betty asked how long it takes for a new user to learn the computer
[12:29] <Aapzak> In this channel I just always get the feeling I want to help out, stupid solutions or not ;)
[12:30] <[BU] Brizz> you're such an Ubuntu user
[12:30] <Aapzak> I try to be
[12:30] <[BU] Brizz> :)
[12:30] <[BU] Brizz> hehe me too
[12:30] <[BU] Brizz> I like helping out when I ca
[12:30] <[BU] Brizz> n
[12:30] <LjL> the *best* way to do it would probably be to have a userspace daemon, as you said, like the KDE equivalent of WinPopup (if any), and then make root send the notifications over IP
[12:30] <LjL> i'm sure there are packages around for doing exactly that, but i'm not familiar with them
[12:31] <Aapzak> ow sure there are
[12:33] <Aapzak> does anyone inhere know if someone is working on the networkmanager bugs?
[12:33] <kkathman> there are bugs???? no!!
[12:33] <kkathman> lol
[12:33] <Aapzak> :)
[12:34] <crimsun_> I was, but I resolved any I had.
[12:34] <crimsun_> It was quite simple. apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[12:34] <Aapzak> hehe
[12:34] <crimsun_> I'm much more comfortable with wpasupplicant directly anyhow.
[12:35] <Aapzak> from what I've seen it looks like a tool I definitly would want to use
[12:35] <WoodwardAve> oh man, just got dual monitors going on my Kubuntu rig - it is spectacular
[12:36] <LjL> crimsun_: uhm, do you thank doing that would allow me to set my DNS in /etc/network/interfaces and *have it stay*? =)
[12:36] <BlankB> WoodwardAve: warning: you will get used to it and other machines will be too limited for you.
[12:36] <LjL> i can find no way to have DNS settings that survive a reboot :\
[12:37] <WoodwardAve> haha i know - i'm a little worried about that
[12:37] <crimsun_> LjL: dns settings are in /etc/resolv.conf, and to have them stay, you'd not use dhcp or you'd use something like resolvconf (which is broken).
[12:37] <BlankB> You will find that you will try to move your mouse over to the tv or someone elses machine.
[12:37] <WoodwardAve> BlankB: hahaha
[12:38] <LjL> crimsun_: i'm not using DHCP (though i can't be 100% sure my Kubuntu knows that)... it's just that the settings in the Control Panel don't stay, the settings in /etc/network/interfaces don't work, and of course /etc/resolv.conf doesn't work
[12:38] <Aapzak> LjL: thats really weird
[12:38] <crimsun_> LjL: well if your question concerns n-m in any fashion, I wash my hands (like Pilate)
[12:38] <LjL> crimsun_: i can say that "ps aux | grep dh" shows nothing
[12:38] <Aapzak> nearly impossible
[12:39] <bernier> hi , im folowing the tut to update my kernel and got that eror while running "make xconfig"
[12:39] <bernier> qconf: cannot connect to X server
[12:39] <bernier> make[1] : *** [xconfig]  Error 1
[12:39] <bernier> make: *** [xconfig]  Error 2
[12:39] <LjL> crimsun_: i don't really know if it does... does "ps aux | grep network" showing nothing qualify as "doesn't"?
[12:39] <crimsun_> bernier: ...why are you trying to do that?
[12:39] <Aapzak> LjL: grep dh /etc/network/interfaces
[12:40] <crimsun_> LjL: again, I don't know n-m, but I do know interfaces(5)
[12:40] <bernier> I just finished compiling the newest 2.6.16 kernel from kernel.org and I am getting much better performance. In what follows, I will show you how to compile and configure the latest kernel
[12:40] <bernier> tought it could be fun
[12:40] <bernier> when i read that
[12:40] <crimsun_> oh man, eye-stabbity.
[12:40] <LjL> Aapzak: eth1, eth2 and ath0 (none of which are interfaces i have) are set to dhcp. eth0 isn't
[12:40] <crimsun_> just like the guy who thought it would be FUN to recompile glibc.
[12:40] <crimsun_> ...except he completely hosed his system and couldn't understand why.
[12:41] <Aapzak> LjL: you can easily remove any interface+config from that file if you don't have them
[12:41] <LjL> Aapzak: yeah, but i don't think that could be the culprit, would it?
[12:41] <Aapzak> I'm not sure what culprit is
[12:41] <crimsun_> n-m will hijack any iface marked as "auto" or "dhcp"
[12:41] <bernier> alright i souldnt have done that now do you know what's wrong?
[12:42] <LjL> Aapzak, crimsun_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/707542
[12:42] <crimsun_> bernier: it's not that you shouldn't have done such and such. You're free to do whatever. Just understand the implications /first/
[12:42] <Aapzak> LjL: I'm in console now :)
[12:42] <bernier> =/
[12:42] <LeeJunFan> bernier: root doesn't have access to write to X
[12:42] <crimsun_> bernier: make sure you have the tk8.4-dev installed
[12:43] <Aapzak> LjL: might it be possible that the dhcp settings for unused interfaces destroy your resolv.conf?
[12:43] <crimsun_> bernier: and you shouldn't be configuring a kernel as root anyhow. Do it as your unprivileged user.
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> bernier: xhost +local:
[12:43] <ubuntu_> hi, when I want to install kubuntu, the installer failed to start qtparted(I have a nice grey windows when i choose manual partition). I tried running qtparted from konsole with sudo and i'm getting "segmentation fault" when i choose my first harddisk. gparted work and i don't see any error in my partition table. Someone can help me?
[12:43] <LjL> Aapzak: auto lo <newline> iface lo inet loopback <newline> address 127.0.0.1 <newline> netmask 255.0.0.0 <newline>  <newline> auto eth0 <newline> iface eth0 inet static <newline> address 192.168.0.2 <newline> netmask 255.255.255.0 <newline> gateway 192.168.0.1 <newline> nameserver 192.168.0.1 <newline>  <newline> auto eth1 <newline> iface eth1 inet dhcp <newline>  <newline> auto eth2 <newline> iface eth2 inet dhcp <newline>  <newline> auto ath0 
[12:43] <LjL>  <newline> auto wlan0 <newline> iface wlan0 inet dhcp <newline>  <newline>
[12:43] <LjL> ;)
[12:43] <bernier> xhost:  unable to open display ""
[12:43] <crimsun_> argh, please don't use xhost +local. It's BROKEN.
[12:43] <bernier> how do i log to privilegied user?
[12:44] <LjL> !sudo
[12:44] <ubotu> [sudo]  a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:44] <crimsun_> bernier: just use your normal, non-root user.
[12:44] <bernier> kk
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> bernier: yeah, what crimsun_ said. chown -R [your user]  [kernel source tree] 
[12:44] <crimsun_> bernier: no kdesu, no gksudo, no sudo. Just your normal user.
[12:44] <Aapzak> LjL: I never config my nameservers in that file, not sure if thats the way to go
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> crimsun_: it's no BROKEN I use it for some wine apps I have to run as root.
[12:45] <Aapzak> I'm not sure bernier should be compiling his kernel ;)
[12:45] <bernier> im not sure also
[12:45] <bernier> but im already far =/
[12:45] <LjL> Aapzak: i only tried that after realizing that the KDE settings were lost upon reboot. anyway, setting nameservers that way did work for me on Breezy
[12:45] <crimsun_> LeeJunFan: no, it's very much broken, and just because you choose to disregard all security warnings doesn't mean it's safe.
[12:46] <crimsun_> LeeJunFan: xauth obsoleted xhost years ago.
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> crimsun_: their's no choice about it, it's the only way to get wine apps that need network access below port 1024 to work.
[12:46] <Aapzak> crimsun_: what does that mean, are there other ways to control who gets to write to your screen?
[12:46] <crimsun_> LeeJunFan: then you use xauth, which is the correct way of doing it.
[12:46] <bernier> make: *** Pas de rgle pour fabriquer la cible  xconfig . Arrt. in english its about ***no rules to make the target "xconfig"
[12:47] <bernier> thats when i do it in normal user
[12:47] <crimsun_> Aapzak: see above statemente regarding xauth.
[12:47] <Aapzak> I saw :)
[12:47] <crimsun_> -e
[12:47] <Aapzak> bernier: make menuconfig is pretty too
[12:47] <crimsun_> bah LjL!
[12:47] <Aapzak> :)
[12:48] <Aapzak> I picked it up in a forum
[12:48] <LjL> hey, i'm firewalled like crazy, i don't think it really matters :D
[12:48] <Aapzak> I guess its wrong
[12:48] <bernier> aapzka it says the same
[12:48] <LeeJunFan> crimsun_: wine gave me sh1t fits about wrong paths because it doesn't like running as su/sudo correctly.
[12:48] <Aapzak> bernier: you must have done something wrong
[12:49] <crimsun_> LeeJunFan: that has very little, if anything, to do with the justification for using xauth instead of xhost.
[12:49] <LjL> bernier: doesn't it rather whine about a missing readline?
[12:49] <Aapzak> did you make a symbolic link linux to your new kernel source and stepped into /usr/src/linux?
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> xhost +local: && sudo sh -c "su root /home/junfan/cxoffice/bin/wine /home/junfan/.cxoffice/win98/drive_c/Program\ Files/Terabeam/Terabeam\ Configurator/config.exe"
[12:49] <visik7> how can I hold a package avoiding adept to notify me for upgrade of this package ?
[12:49] <crimsun_> LeeJunFan: man, what the deity.
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> Was the only way to get it to run right, it sucks - sure, but when you have to have something work you can't be picky about what does it, just that it does.
[12:50] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: I never ever had to do anything as root for a users wine environment
[12:50] <crimsun_> sudo sh -c ' su blah' is just /insane/
[12:50] <LjL> LeeJunFan: i think crimsun_ is trying to tell you that the stuff you do with xhost can be done using xauth, which is a better method
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: it's only because this app needs access to privileged (root only) ports. below 1024
[12:50] <bernier> apzak: i did exaclty what's written there : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560
[12:51] <bernier> im at step 13 now
[12:51] <Aapzak> bernier: I have no X at the moment :)
[12:51] <bernier> =/ anyone knows then?
[12:51] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: thats a toughy then
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> LjL: I know, and surely correct for most things, but this app no, wine wouldn't use the .xauth from the right home dir, which gave permission probs.
[12:52] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: which app wants that port? can't you just use a higher one?
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: no, it's a util for configuring a network device (orinoco outdoor routers), SNMP.
[12:53] <nixternal> th0m4s: whats up with vmware??
[12:53] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: and you need port 162?
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: and unfortunately the only way to configure them unless I feel like writing my own SNMP front end for them, which I dont.
[12:53] <nixternal> LjL: what did you mean about the vmware and not being able to create a virtual machine with it?
[12:54] <LjL> nixternal: vmware *player* cannot create virtual machines
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: 161 I think.
[12:54] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: You need to listen to incoming traps ?
[12:54] <Aapzak> 161 = snmp daemon, 162, trapdaemon
[12:54] <nixternal> i know that...vmware player = garbage..you can dl vmware server or workstation from the vmware website for free also..that is what i was telling him to do
[12:54] <th0m4s> nixternal: it's not free
[12:54] <th0m4s> that's what's up
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: yeah, this particular app uses 161 for outgoing as well.
[12:54] <th0m4s> scroll up to where i invoked your name
[12:54] <nixternal> it is free
[12:54] <Aapzak> 161 is used to query to, which means your devices ask questions to your app
[12:54] <th0m4s> no, it's $189
[12:55] <nixternal> i haven never paid for it...and i am using server
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: it's stupid, but it's all there is for it :/
[12:55] <th0m4s> workstation is NOT free
[12:56] <nixternal> http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[12:56] <nixternal> select first time user and enjoy
[12:56] <LjL> server beta apparently is
[12:56] <th0m4s> server is free but what you gonna do with that
[12:56] <nixternal> register...they will email you a key and then you are good to go
[12:56] <th0m4s> workstation is where it's at for windows running inside linux
[12:56] <Aapzak> LeeJunFan: it seems rather complicated (too complicated), but most vendors are clueless about proper snmp/mgt
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> Aapzak: exactly. A PITA, but one I can't get around very well. Used to run it in vmware but seemed like such a waste of space for one windows app.
[12:57] <nixternal> i have server running on my server and hosting different virtual servers..and then everyone of my workstations have the vmware workstation which i downloaded from the vmware website..and i have never spent a dime
[12:57] <visik7> is there an apt2rss ?
[12:57] <romeo5k> im back
[12:57] <romeo5k>  wohhooo
[12:57] <th0m4s> nixternal: back up your claims of workstation for free
[12:58] <th0m4s> if it is vmware's doing a good job hiding it behind the $189 pricetag
[12:58] <Aapzak> wasn't there a free beta in apt?
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> workstation isn't free, player is. And you need a workstation w/ license to make an image for player.
[12:58] <LjL> LeeJunFan: or the server version, i'd suppose
[12:59] <th0m4s> 17:54 < nixternal> i know that...vmware player = garbage..you can dl vmware server or workstation from the vmware website for free also..that is what i was telling him to do
[12:59] <th0m4s> the thing is nixternal is claiming workstation to be free
[12:59] <Aapzak> who wants windows anyway :)
[12:59] <LjL> Aapzak: i can only see the player in apt
[12:59] <th0m4s> Aapzak: people who want to code for multiple os
[12:59] <Aapzak> I know, you can also install linux
[12:59] <Aapzak> :)
[01:00] <nixternal> http://www.vmware.com/download/download.do?downloadGroup=WKST-5-LX
[01:00] <Aapzak> I was kidding
[01:00] <nixternal> select first time user, wait for them to mail your key and enjoy
[01:00] <nixternal> FREE FREE FREE
[01:00] <th0m4s> Note: All Workstation 5.x downloads require a Workstation 5.x license.
[01:00] <romeo5k> kkathman: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20060613145018515&board_id=1&model=A8N-VM+CSM&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
[01:00] <th0m4s> nixternal: the thing is i'm trying to find how you got there
[01:00] <WoodwardAve> anyone know how to set applications to launch in certain screens using twinview/xinerama?
[01:00] <th0m4s> http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/ is giving me the ability to dl it but it wants me to purchase a license
[01:00] <nixternal> using my mouse and clicking links of course
[01:00] <WoodwardAve> in KDE
[01:01] <nixternal> ;)
[01:01] <nixternal> vmware does a good job hiding their stuff
[01:01] <kkathman> romeo5k:  good luck
[01:01] <nixternal> unless they changed something this week...because on saturday i downloaded and install vmware workstation from their site using the key they emailed me
[01:02] <romeo5k> did u read it???
[01:02] <kkathman> romeo5k:  yes
[01:02] <TheHighChild> Anyone know how to create a custom paper-size in Openoffice Impress?
[01:02] <th0m4s> filling out fake info asap
[01:02] <LjL> nixternal: on *saturday*? but of course it's *not* just the time-limited evaluation key?
[01:02] <nixternal> nope
[01:03] <nixternal> i haven't seen anything that says it will stop working
[01:03] <Aapzak> there must be a little adder under the grass
[01:03] <romeo5k> kkathman :  thats where  i got that idea from about cold booting.. and it worked.. but now i have to find out what forcedeth is
[01:03] <LjL> nixternal: http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/eval.html <-- i can't quite understand this then
[01:03] <kkathman> yes I see
[01:03] <|lostbyte|> How do i add fonts to konsole ?
[01:04] <nixternal> Enjoy your free copy of VMware Workstation and Server, and thank you for your interest in VMware!
[01:04] <nixternal> that is the email they sent me
[01:04] <georgeblunt> !dga
[01:04] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, georgeblunt
[01:05] <|lostbyte|> !fonts
[01:05] <ubotu> from memory, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[01:06] <romeo5k> kkathman.... what would i need to install to play games on yahoo games.. i dont think thejava is working..
[01:06] <romeo5k> hi Chefwill
[01:06] <Riddell> |lostbyte|: Settings->Fonts->Install Bitmap
[01:06] <th0m4s> http://mailinator.com/mailinator/maildir.jsp?email=stick.stickly
[01:06] <[BU] Brizz> TheHighChild: I fixed my issue. It was caused that ~/.googleearth was owned by root...
[01:06] <th0m4s> LjL: he's full of lies
[01:06] <[BU] Brizz> TheHighChild: with Google Earth
[01:07] <romeo5k> anyone .... what would i need to install to play games on yahoo games.. i dont think thejava is working..
[01:07] <chavo> |lostbyte|, konsole will only use monospaced fonts
[01:07] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: what Java are you using?
[01:07] <th0m4s> stick stickly has applied for his key
[01:07] <|lostbyte|> chavo, monspaced, is it another format ? other than ttf ?
[01:08] <chavo> |lostbyte|, no they can be ttf, they just have a fixed width
[01:08] <|lostbyte|> Riddell, Done that but i still dont see it, even through i can see it in .fonts.
[01:08] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz:  in adept it shows java-common and java-gcj-compat installed
[01:08] <nixternal> LjL: i don't know what to say about the workstation eval thing...as i just verified my key is real and not evaluation
[01:08] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: did you ever update-alternatives and replace gij with sun java?
[01:08] <th0m4s> nixternal: http://mailinator.com/mailinator/maildir.jsp?email=stick.stickly as you can see they still aren't sending me my key
[01:08] <chavo> to use google-earth as normal user run the installer with --nochown option
[01:08] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: thats the only 2 javas i see installed..
[01:08] <TheHighChild> [BU] Brizz: awesome. Glad you were able to figure that out
[01:08] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: no
[01:09] <nixternal> [18:08]  <th0m4s> LjL: he's full of lies  <- are you refering to me, and if so why?
[01:09] <[BU] Brizz> TheHighChild: hopefully you can help the next person that comes along, in case I'm not around ;)
[01:09] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: none of tthje sun javas are installed
[01:09] <TheHighChild> Any Open Office Impress users?
[01:10] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: go to a konsole and type java -showversion
[01:10] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: and what are the first three lines that come back
[01:10] <Aapzak> Konqueror doesn't do Java support out of the box, does it?
[01:10] <nixternal> why i would have to lie about this i have no clue, but never the less...if it won't work for you, just use the server..everything workstation does anyways server does and then some
[01:10] <romeo5k> java version "1.4.2"
[01:10] <romeo5k> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[01:10] <romeo5k> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[01:11] <[BU] Brizz> Aapzak: not sure, but he's using gij
[01:11] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: that
[01:11] <Aapzak> gij?
[01:11] <LjL> nixternal: no, i think server is limited in some ways compared to workstation (though it also has some more features)... can't find the details right now, but i think i recall that server misses sound support, for example
[01:11] <[BU] Brizz> Aapzak: yah, iow NOT Sun Java
[01:11] <LjL> though it'd probably be good enough for programming
[01:12] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: you might be able to sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[01:12] <nixternal> i just connected via server "connect > local" and selected my selinux install on vmware and it loaded just fine...i don't know what would be limited because i can't see anything truthfully
[01:12] <Aapzak> [BU] Brizz: I think you still have to make Konqueror use it
[01:12] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: I'm not sure that will automatically update-alternatives thoguh
[01:13] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: no it didnt
[01:13] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: hold on
[01:13] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: kk
[01:15] <TheHighChild> nixternal: Any experience with VMware not permitting networking?
[01:16] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz: can i just go in adept and request install??
[01:16] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: did you do the apt-get on sun-java-5?
[01:17] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: sun-java5-bin
[01:17] <nixternal> TheHighChild: can't say that i have...my only issues have been with sound and video really...i always selected bridge i believe for the network
[01:17] <romeo5k>  [BU] Brizz.. i did ..  sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin  --just like that
[01:17] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: okay, now sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:17] <[BU] Brizz> and what shows up?
[01:18] <TheHighChild> nixternal: Ok, thanks. I'm new to VMware but I keep getting an Ethernet not available error when i try to setup a new virtual machine.
[01:18] <romeo5k> but when i did it . i got an error
[01:18] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: what error?
[01:18] <nixternal> TheHighChild: vmware server or player?
[01:18] <romeo5k> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail         able)
[01:18] <romeo5k> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc         ess using it?
[01:18] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: close Adept
[01:18] <romeo5k> ok
[01:18] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: then run that again
[01:19] <romeo5k> nice
[01:19] <romeo5k>  its running now
[01:19] <TheHighChild> nixternal: Server
[01:19] <romeo5k> i guess dloading
[01:19] <romeo5k> hmm.. i learned something new
[01:20] <nixternal> hmm..are you selecting the top function with the networking, which i beleive is bridge..however i think i just always select the default setup when building a server
[01:20] <TheHighChild> nixternal: No worries. I am not local to that machine right now. i just wanted to see if you knew of any 'known issues' Thank you though
[01:20] <romeo5k> so to get something.. i always do sudo get
[01:20] <romeo5k> i mean.. sudo apt-get
[01:20] <TheHighChild> nixternal: I've tried all the options with different installs. lol. At least 10 different XP installs.
[01:20] <nixternal> i haven't heard anything TheHighChild, but i have been in contact with VMware concerning their products and Linux for Ubuntu Documentation
[01:20] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: use Adept unless someone tells you to apt-get
[01:21] <romeo5k> oh ok
[01:21] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: apt-get isn't as easy to use as Adept, typically.
[01:21] <nixternal> wow, that is odd TheHighChild, i haven't seen anything like that at all
[01:21] <romeo5k> ok
[01:21] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: is that about done?
[01:21] <romeo5k> yes its done now
[01:21] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz now it is
[01:21] <TheHighChild> nixternal: Yeah, i thought it was odd as well. Do you know where, by chance, I can view what devices it is trying to use as my ethernet connection? I want to make sure it's using 'eth0'
[01:22] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: okay, now sudo update-alternatives --config java and there should be a * by one of them
[01:22] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: one of them should have jre1.5.<something>
[01:22] <nixternal> from within the windows install? or with the vmware server itself?
[01:22] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: that's the one you want to have a * by it
[01:23] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz  *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[01:23] <TheHighChild> nixternal: What ethernet device VMware Server uses.
[01:23] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: what other rows are there?
[01:23] <nixternal> the vmware server it is listed when you select the virtual host you created..it always show the network card i believe...but from within windows i would guess the same location you would always check..don't know since i don't have windows anywhere around me ;)
[01:23] <TheHighChild> nixternal: I presume the OS install uses the devices the server assumes itself
[01:23] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz:
[01:23] <romeo5k>      1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[01:23] <romeo5k> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[01:23] <romeo5k>       3        /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[01:23] <nixternal> the os installs everything vmware
[01:24] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: so hit 3 and enter
[01:24] <nixternal> that was my sound and video issues
[01:24] <romeo5k> ok..
[01:24] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: that will set up your java properly
[01:24] <TheHighChild> nixternal: I hear ya man. I am 100% Tux (not 1337 but trying). I need XP for some Windows support contracts I have,
[01:24] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: whether it's working in Konq/Firefox or not is a different issue :)
[01:24] <romeo5k>  [BU] Brizz it said.. Using `/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' to provide `java'.
[01:24] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: yep
[01:24] <romeo5k>  so im cool right..?
[01:25] <nixternal> i hear you there TheHighChild, as there are times i could use it
[01:25] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: that means you are using the right java for java
[01:25] <TheHighChild> nixternal: Thank you very much for your time. When I am local to the machine I might try and run a few more Q's at you.
[01:25] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz:  thnx
[01:25] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: no problem
[01:25] <nixternal> np man...i will be here TheHighChild
[01:25] <_aaron> any good links for getting wifi to work on kubuntu?
[01:25] <romeo5k> [BU] Brizz:  ciao  till later wen i get stuck again.
[01:25] <[BU] Brizz> romeo5k: hehe later
[01:25] <TheHighChild> _aaron: What card do you have?
[01:25] <nixternal> maybe i can grab a disk and install a windows vhost here so i can take a look
[01:26] <_aaron> TheHighChild: I have an atheros usb
[01:26] <_aaron> TheHighChild: airlink 101 super g
[01:26] <TheHighChild> _aaron: Ok, I have Atheros but on board. The new dapper picked everything up for me. I would hope it did for you as well. You can try disabling your eth0 and enabling your wireless card.
[01:27] <TheHighChild> _aaron: For me. When I boot up, they both start. I have to do 'sudo ifdown eth0' and 'sudo ifup ath0' You may want to try that and see if it does anything for you
[01:27] <_aaron> TheHighChild: it shows up in my usbview ... ah.. I haven't tried dissabling my wired...
[01:27] <_aaron> TheHighChild: which means that I'll be going away in a second :(
[01:27] <TheHighChild> _aaron: Just my thoughts on the topic. To be honest, I am a total wifi on tux noob though.
[01:28] <TheHighChild> _aaron: Also, I doubt your device will be 'ath0'
[01:29] <_aaron> TheHighChild: it's not.. somebody already tried to help me with that...
[01:29] <_aaron> aaron@chirp:/proc/bus/usb$ lsusb
[01:29] <_aaron> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:0002 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[01:30] <_aaron> is there an ndiswrapper repository for ubuntu?
[01:32] <ryanakca> Why is it that I can't save view profiles in Konq anymore?
[01:33] <RawSewage> what do you mean
[01:33] <RawSewage> for individual folders?
[01:34] <RawSewage> ok bye
[01:34] <ryanakca> I'm in konqueror, and I want to close it, but have it open up at the same pages in the same tabs, so I go Settings, but "Save view profile..." is disable/grayed out..
[01:35] <RawSewage> maybe close all other instances
[01:35] <RawSewage> i dont know
[01:37] <frood> New kubuntu rocks. Except for one thing.
[01:37] <frood> Where did those bouncing cows go?
[01:37] <frood> How can I get them back?
[01:39] <ryanakca> frood: bouncing cows?
[01:40] <frood> Yeah. The boncing cow screensaver. Apperantly it was removed because some people found it 'offensive'
[01:40] <frood> Can't find it via adept
[01:40] <RawSewage> that was me
[01:40] <RawSewage> Im a vegan
[01:40] <frood> Cant find it via google
[01:40] <RawSewage> I requested it be removed
[01:40] <frood> A pox on your head
[01:41] <frood> Besides, the cow is bouncing, not grilling
[01:41] <RawSewage> my screensavers dont activate
[01:42] <RawSewage> they work when I test them , or when I lock the session
[01:42] <RawSewage> but otherwise, dont work after the set interval of inactivity
[01:43] <larrywells> What are the recommended system requirements for Kubuntu
[01:44] <Snake> !dapper
[01:44] <ubotu> dapper is, like, Ubuntu 6.06, the "Dapper Drake" release. Released June 1st 2006
[01:44] <Snake> ugh
[01:44] <RawSewage> !systemrequirements
[01:44] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, RawSewage
[01:44] <larrywells> Sorry, sys requirement for Dapper
[01:45] <Snake> larrywells: one moment
[01:45] <kyle_> To play some trailers in firefox u need a windows media player or a quicktime pluging... is there any linux versions that would work as such?
[01:45] <larrywells> OK Snake
[01:45] <Snake> larrywells: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.06-lts-release.php
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> larrywells: I would suggest 512mb of ram
[01:45] <Snake> go all the way to the bootm
[01:46] <Snake> Desktop256 megabytes3 gigabytes
[01:46] <larrywells> ok kind of figured that, I am at 256 mb ram now
[01:46] <larrywells> It is a little slow now
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> I found kanotix runs alot faster on my laptop which is p3 750 256mb ram
[01:47] <larrywells> the processor is at 500 mhz now, is that fast enough?
[01:47] <RawSewage> try Xubuntu
[01:47] <RawSewage> Xubuntu for slower computers
[01:48] <RawSewage> !xubuntu
[01:48] <ubotu> somebody said xubuntu was Ubuntu using Xfce instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://www.xubuntu.org
[01:49] <Snake> xubuntu rocks
[01:49] <RawSewage> I havent tried it
[01:49] <RawSewage> how do you install it
[01:49] <larrywells> Kubuntu works pretty well on my pc, just a little slow
[01:50] <Steil> are there any plans on packaging kopete 0.12?
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> larrywells: Try kanotix it will be very fast
[01:51] <larrywells> Well I want the KDE interface
[01:51] <Snake> RawSewage: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[01:51] <Snake> and your there
[01:51] <RawSewage> ty
[01:51] <RawSewage> Ill try it on my laptop
[01:51] <Snake> larrywells: KDE is a hog man
[01:52] <Snake> Hostname: dapper - OS: Linux 2.6.15-23-386/i686 - CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) (647.565 MHz) - Processes: 125 - Uptime: 5d 8h 4m - Load Average: 0.10 - Memory Usage: 257.62mb/503.84mb (51.13%) - Disk Usage: 4.40gb/12.11gb (36.36%)
[01:52] <larrywells> I know, but it is not for me, it is for people who know windows
[01:52] <Snake> thats my system, it runs, but its not very smooth
[01:52] <larrywells> They are already confused enough
[01:52] <TheHighChild> I want Aqua
[01:52] <linuxmonkey> hey snake what u use to display that
[01:52] <Snake> larrywells: Ah, well anything with perhaps 512 ram and 800 mhz (maybe a gig) processor should be good
[01:53] <larrywells> well i do not want to change the processor
[01:53] <Snake> linuxmonkey: script for irssi called sysinfo, and /sysinfo (if your in konversation just type /sysinfo)
[01:53] <larrywells> I think I may get more ram
[01:53] <kyle_> hmmmm my flash doesn't have sound... am im missing a plugin?
[01:53] <linuxmonkey> Sysinfo for 'SkullNet-01': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.00GHz at 2992 MHz (5989 bogomips), , RAM: 968/1010MB, 97 proc's, 1.1d up
[01:53] <RawSewage> Ive decided Im too stupid to learn Python
[01:53] <RawSewage> php is much easier
[01:53] <larrywells> Will more ram alone make a difference?
[01:53] <Snake> RawSewage: haha dude, python is way easier than PHP
[01:53] <linuxmonkey> ok sweet
[01:53] <Snake> I learned python over night, litterally
[01:54] <Snake> larrywells: always
[01:54] <linuxmonkey> Snake thanks i forgot that was there
[01:54] <RawSewage> then why cant I learn it
[01:54] <larrywells> Ok thanks all
[01:54] <RawSewage> I could barely print a website that says "Hello World"   took me 20 lines of code
[01:54] <RawSewage> most of it I had no idea what it was
[01:55] <Snake> RawSewage: ohhhh python on the web!
[01:55] <Rainier> hello everyone
[01:55] <Snake> RawSewage: yes that is difficult. Stick with PHP for that ;)
[01:55] <RawSewage> ok
[01:55] <Rainier> i have a question
[01:56] <Rainier> when you reboot you can choose to reboot another OS from the grub menu
[01:56] <Rainier> but it doesn't work
[01:56] <Rainier> is there anything special you have to do to make it work?
[01:58] <svivian> fglrx drivers for Dapper. Anyone been able to work out the options to get the wide desktop? I have tried the older fglrx options, they didn't work. I tried the Xinerama settings, no dice. I also tried the fglrx-control, also no good, and half the time, installing one of these causes my system to not be able to restart.
[01:59] <svivian> The second monitor lights up, but I can't move the cursor over to it.
[02:11] <Rainier> i have a question, how do you make the automatic windows-restart work?
[02:11] <Rainier> you know where you select windows in the restart menu and then its supposed to start automatically
[02:12] <Rainier> do you need grub2 maybe?
[02:18] <flaxo> hello world...
[02:19] <Lorri> I have an external FAT32 HDD
[02:19] <Lorri> How do I mount it so that I can write on it
[02:19] <Lorri> :X
[02:19] <flaxo> o_O
[02:19] <flaxo> external meaning usb??
[02:19] <Lorri> yeah
[02:20] <Lorri> I tried mounting it through installation
[02:20] <Lorri> but when I try to open it, it says
[02:20] <Lorri> Could not mount device.
[02:20] <Lorri> The reported error was:
[02:20] <fyrmedic> Anyone have cinelerra installed? If so, how?
[02:20] <Lorri> mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /external
[02:20] <flaxo> ok
[02:21] <flaxo> did you try "sudo mount..."
[02:21] <Lorri> no
[02:21] <Lorri> but I don't remember the file
[02:21] <Lorri> to edit to make the mount permanent
[02:21] <Jack_Sparrow> is there a different root password other than the password added by the installer
[02:22] <Lorri> for me?
[02:22] <flaxo> hehe no... dont think so..
[02:25] <wezlo> hi all, does anyone know of an easy utility to create screen-capture movies for ubuntu?
[02:25] <frood> Why is root logon disabled in Kubuntu?
[02:25] <frood> Logging on as root is cool, as well as sexy
[02:26] <flaxo> hehe
[02:26] <bimberi> !root
[02:26] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:27] <Lorri> what's the kubuntu equivalent of ubuntu's gedit
[02:27] <linuxmonkey> kate?
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> kwrite
[02:27] <Lorri> yeah, that's it thanks
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> (I would say kate is more powerful / complicated than gedit)
[02:28] <wezlo> kate, definitly
[02:28] <Lorri> wtf
[02:28] <Lorri> I tried using it
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> kedit actually
[02:28] <Lorri> but I got a bunch of x errors
[02:28] <Lorri> o.O
[02:28] <linuxmonkey> thats not good
[02:28] <Lorri> Yeah
[02:30] <Lorri> Should I use the rep:
[02:30] <Lorri> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free
[02:30] <Lorri> If I'm using Dapper?
[02:30] <linuxmonkey> probably not
[02:31] <linuxmonkey> you may end up breaking your system
[02:31] <wezlo> Lorri, the dapper repos for plf are up
[02:31] <Lorri> where
[02:31] <Lorri> I'm just reading ubuntuguide :X
[02:31] <wezlo> hold on, I'll show the one I have...
[02:32] <Lorri> ok thanks :D
[02:32] <wezlo> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[02:32] <wezlo> just change it to dapper
[02:32] <Lorri> should I use deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[02:33] <kjcole> Hi.  Anyone here know how to get korganizer to recognize a webcal:// URL that doesn't end in .ics?  (It's a long ugly .php?x=yadayada&z=blabla URL)
[02:33] <pascal_> Offtopic, Is it possible to direct STDERR through a pipe?
[02:35] <wezlo> Lorri, I have that setup up, yes
[02:35] <Lorri> ok
[02:36] <kjcole> Clicking on the webcal:// link in firefox opens it in evolution.  Clicking on it in konqueror displays the raw source (BEGIN:VCALENDAR...)
[02:37] <gil> can someone give me any simple install instructions for bootsplash screens
[02:37] <kjcole> I've tried adding it as a resource, but each of the various resource types I try either ignore it or tell me it's a bad URL.
[02:39] <travis|linux> I'm trying to install something from source.. I installed GCC and C++ but I'm getting a error when compiling.
[02:39] <travis|linux> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:39] <Hawkwind> Can anyone tell me what the desktop support time is for Dapper 6.06 ?  And what is the server edition support time ?  Is desktop 1 year or 3 years and server 3 years or 5 years ?
[02:39] <travis|linux> anyone know how to fix that?
[02:40] <wezlo> travis|linux, you need the Xlibs development packages
[02:41] <travis|linux> thank you wezlo :)
[02:41] <wezlo> travis|linux, let me make sure about the package, hold on
[02:42] <wezlo> yup, that's it
[02:44] <Lorri> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
[02:44] <Lorri> make: *** [configure]  Error 127
[02:49] <travis|linux> wezlo: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[02:49] <travis|linux> wezlo: any ideas on that one
[02:49] <travis|linux> searched for qt-mt... nothing found
[02:49] <Hawkwind> Isn't it like libqt-mt or something similar ?
[02:50] <chavo> travis|linux, what are you trying to build?
[02:50] <Hawkwind> libqt3-mt actually
[02:50] <travis|linux> ktorrent (the newest beta)
[02:50] <chavo> do this sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent
[02:50] <travis|linux> ok
[02:50] <chavo> that will get you all the libs you need to build it
[02:50] <wezlo> travis|linux, qt development files, same thing
[02:51] <Hawkwind> Can anyone tell me what the desktop support time is for Dapper 6.06 ?  And what is the server edition support time ?  Is desktop 1 year or 3 years and server 3 years or 5 years ?
[02:51] <chavo> Hawkwind, 3 desktop 5 for server
[02:52] <travis|linux> thanks chavo that worked perfect :)
[02:52] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  what are you doing here
[02:52] <Hawkwind> chavo: So how does security fixes, bug fixes and new versions get into a 3 year desktop.  I'm not familiar with the Ubuntu way(s) yet
[02:52] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I ask you the same thing :P
[02:52] <chavo> Hawkwind, it's pretty much security fixes only
[02:52] <geneo93> well i'm kinda regular now that my cooker is broken fontd thing again
[02:53] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I'm about to make the full switch to Kubuntu for my main OS this week
[02:53] <geneo93> cool
[02:53] <Hawkwind> chavo: So new versions of things like Xchat that come out in a year won't be added to dapper ?
[02:53] <chavo> Hawkwind, no
[02:53] <travis|linux> you can always compile them yourself
[02:53] <wezlo> hey gang, I gotta run - cya later
[02:53] <linuxmonkey> Hawkwind: i allready did that lol, I also installed StepMania to keep me busy for the games side
[02:53] <geneo93> well what about backports
[02:54] <Hawkwind> travis|linux: Bahhh at compiling.  I'm a real packager :P
[02:54] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: What were you running prior ?
[02:54] <linuxmonkey> xp
[02:54] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:54] <geneo93> yuk
[02:54] <Hawkwind> Eeekkkkkkkk
[02:54] <Hawkwind> linuxmonkey: Welcome to the darkside finally :)
[02:55] <linuxmonkey> lol been in and out of linux before on my main system
[02:55] <Hawkwind> travis|linux: I happen to run the http://SeerOfSouls.com/ site which is the largest 3rd party rpm repository for Mandriva currently.  I'm going to switch it over to deb stuff once I learn my way around
[02:55] <linuxmonkey> had linux running for years on my server
[02:55] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  you think making debs would be easyer than rpms
[02:55] <Hawkwind> chavo: So is there something similar to backports or anything for Ubuntu ?
[02:56] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  yes there is
[02:56] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Not sure if it's harder or easier.  It's just totally different to me since I've been making rpms for 2 1/2+ years now
[02:56] <brandon__> Hmm
[02:56] <Lorri> After installing ATI drivers
[02:56] <Lorri> I can't adjust my monitor resolution
[02:57] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  i've made debs to rpms for mandriva that really worked
[02:57] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Yeah I've done that too using alien.  But I'm deeply involved in Gael's new project and it's based on Kubuntu so I've got to learn to build them from source
[02:58] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Where or how does one go about getting this backport stuff into Kubuntu ?
[02:58] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  dpkg is your friend
[02:59] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Bahhhh @ dpkg.  I am learning debuild and pbuilder :P
[02:59] <geneo93> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[02:59] <Lorri> How do I install XGL on Kubuntu
[02:59] <Lorri> :<
[02:59] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: system specs plz
[02:59] <Lorri> ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
[02:59] <Lorri> AMD Athlon 64 3400+
[03:00] <Lorri> 1gb Corsair RAM
[03:00] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  did you catch that
[03:00] <Lorri> That's all that counts
[03:00] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: one sec
[03:00] <Lorri> Thanks
[03:01] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Yes.  Looking at it now, thanks
[03:01] <lowtech> so backports are put right into the regular repo's?
[03:01] <geneo93> no
[03:02] <TFrog> anyone here familiar with Acidrip?
[03:02] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148351 click the ati one
[03:02] <Lorri> Thanks :D
[03:02] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Looking through all those mirrors on that URL everything seems to be empty
[03:03] <Hawkwind> geneo93: I see no packages really that have been backported
[03:03] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: wait, nvm, that one sucks... I had a good one... where is it now
[03:03] <Lorri> Ok
[03:03] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  it will be now this just released
[03:03] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: HERE: http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=389
[03:03] <[Nirvana] > :O
[03:03] <Lorri> Thanks :D
[03:04] <[Nirvana] > wait, that wasn't it again....
[03:04] <Lorri> D:
[03:05] <travis|linux> Hawkwind, chavo, and wezlo I appreacate all the help... after installing a few more things it works :)  Its the community that makes ubuntu rock :)
[03:05] <travis|linux> compiling now with no errors :)
[03:06] <sebast> hummmmmmm lame still banned from the Ubuntu channel,  because I flooded it a few times.  anyway I am so happy right now :)   I just got rid of XP kind of by mistake though.  so now only Ubuntu/Kubuntu on here.
[03:06] <sebast> :)
[03:06] <Snake> sebast: dont flood and you wont have such problems
[03:06] <travis|linux> sebast: good :)
[03:06] <travis|linux> what do u need to know to use it?
[03:07] <sebast> I been using Ubuntu for a while.  and Linux about two years
[03:07] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: finally: http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=205
[03:07] <sebast> and well my XP was fucked.  Blue Screen of Death when playing my game or about to and ealrier on when I was on it.
[03:07] <Lorri> Thanks :D
[03:07] <Snake> !language
[03:07] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[03:08] <sebast> I  tryed to make it smaller and change it to a FAT32 earlier with qtparted,  but that screwed up.  so just deleted it instead :D
[03:08] <travis|linux> I've been windows free for over 2 yrs :)
[03:08] <travis|linux> its the best step you'll ever make
[03:08] <sebast> didn't bother making a back up.  of any of my data,  but I didn't lose anything of importance anyway.  just old emails,  some porno videos,  and other data
[03:09] <david__> so, my mp3s wont play when i double click them.... whyyy?
[03:09] <sebast> yeah I know it's so nice being Windows free however it seems I might have to either use another computer
[03:09] <sebast> or
[03:09] <travis|linux> david__: what media player ??
[03:09] <travis|linux> david__: amarok?
[03:09] <david__> any media player
[03:09] <david__> it works if i drag the file into the playlist
[03:09] <travis|linux> david__: does the kmix show your sound card?
[03:09] <david__> kmix?
[03:09] <sebast> re install it onto this PC,  but this time round instead of installing it.  I wil just instaill it with VMware server and use as virtual machine :)
[03:10] <travis|linux> yea... kmix is the mixer for linux.. you should have a speaker in the lower right of screen
[03:10] <sebast> anyway Grub still thinks I got Windows XP there how do I get rid of the entry from Grub?
[03:10] <david__> ok, i see it
[03:10] <travis|linux> david__: check all the settings there.. make sure it is turned up and everything
[03:11] <david__> well, actually theres usually a message saying "cant play mp3 files"
[03:11] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  does that mean there will be a polished version of kubuntu soon
[03:11] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Heh, can't tell ya that :)
[03:11] <sebast> How do I get rid of the old Windows XP entry from Grub?  since I no longer have XP :)
[03:12] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  i heard mdk was looking at suse stuff
[03:12] <[Nirvana] > sebast: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment it out or remove it
[03:12] <sebast> is that a command for the Grub one?  or a command for my Linux terminal?
[03:12] <apokryphos> geneo93: interesting; I couldn't see a single reason for  using mandriva over suse
[03:12] <sebast> oh for Grub command prompt I guess
[03:13] <david__> sebast:  I know theres a file somewhere
[03:13] <[Nirvana] > sebast: in a terminal type --> sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:13] <david__> you'd have to run  "kdesu kate" and edit the file
[03:13] <david__> or that
[03:13] <david__> yea, listen to him
[03:13] <[Nirvana] > kwrite > kate :p
[03:13] <Lorri> Umm
[03:13] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[03:13] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[03:13] <Lorri> Which keyboard layout
[03:14] <Lorri> is the normal laptop one
[03:14] <apokryphos> [Nirvana] : it really isn't; kwrite is barely developed anymore.
[03:14] <Lorri> no numpad, yet qwerty layout
[03:14] <apokryphos> [Nirvana] : also, bad idea to use sudo for GUI apps (see above).
[03:14] <sebast> or gedit :)  since really I use Ubuntu,  but have KDE as well.  and when I upgraded though from Breezy to Dapper it says I use Kubuntu.   why is that?  I guess,  because I have both.  probalby easy to change so it says Ubuntu,  but haven't got round to doing that.  if I am going to bother.  I like the Kubuntu splash screens.
[03:14] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Looking at SuSe stuff ?  What do you mean exactly ?
[03:14] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: try us
[03:14] <Lorri> ?
[03:14] <Lorri> :<
[03:14] <david__> speaking of that.... how do you install gnome in kubuntu?
[03:14] <geneo93> ahh hardware and packager
[03:15] <Lorri> like
[03:15] <apokryphos> david__: install ubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <Lorri> pc104
[03:15] <sebast> same way as installing KDE in Ubuntu I guess,  but in reverse
[03:15] <[Nirvana] > apokryphos: I know, I had nano there before and forgot to remove sudo
[03:15] <david__> thats how?
[03:15] <[Nirvana] > Lorri: yes
[03:15] <Lorri> ok
[03:15] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  hopefully not yast
[03:15] <apokryphos> david__: yup
[03:15] <apokryphos> geneo93: huh?
[03:15] <david__> and it will just come up as an option when i login?
[03:15] <sebast> yes
[03:15] <apokryphos> david__: before you login, yes.
[03:15] <sebast> well you got to select it
[03:15] <sebast> of course
[03:15] <sebast> from options menu
[03:16] <david__> you mean at the beginning "enter your password etc" dialog
[03:16] <Lorri> What's ImPS/2 and ExplorerPS/2
[03:16] <Hawkwind> geneo93: At this point I could care less what they look at.  I won't be using it much longer anyways :)
[03:16] <sebast> you go to optiosn menu and select Gnome
[03:16] <sebast> and then it will say
[03:16] <sebast> do you want this as your default?
[03:16] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  hehe me either
[03:16] <david__> oh, nifty
[03:16] <sebast> or just for this session?
[03:16] <Lorri> I'm currently using a USB mouse
[03:16] <Lorri> so I'm not sure which to pick
[03:17] <Hawkwind> geneo93: So you're leaving Mandriva for good then ?  No more cooker or anything ?
[03:17] <sebast> KDE uhmmmmm seemed pretty good on the Knopix Live CD I guess,  but I never liked Kubuntu so on.  since I coudn't seem to get it configured to how I like it
[03:17] <sebast> where as with Gnome I have got something I like now
[03:17] <sebast> yeah Mac OS X theme :)
[03:17] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  i may hang on it till it dies
[03:17] <sebast> well Gnome looks a bit like a Mac OS X
[03:17] <sebast> with this theme
[03:18] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  i dont think the culb will bail them out again
[03:18] <sebast> and yeah your right there is probably an OS X theme for KDE to some where
[03:18] <sebast> well there is bound to be
[03:19] <apokryphos> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23535
[03:19] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Nope not this time.  I think they are certainly doomed.  I'd be surprised if they are still around to do a 2008 release.  If they are, it's going to be a pretty bad release I think
[03:19] <apokryphos> a demonstration of the configurability of kde, really :)
[03:19] <apokryphos> Hawkwind: what distro?
[03:19] <Hawkwind> apokryphos: Mandriva
[03:20] <apokryphos> I more-or-less agree. It's very commercial now, and the distro itself is a bit of a mess
[03:20] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  its been getting worse every release to many things broken never fixed
[03:20] <[Nirvana] > sebast: baghira?
[03:20] <apokryphos> no idea how well the enteprrise products do though
[03:20] <sebast> baghira what?
[03:20] <apokryphos> geneo93: I hear they're very careless with regard to hardware compatibility for old systems now, too.
[03:20] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Yep.  Just like 30 days to fix the latest Xorg that I filed a bug on on May 5th, it finally got a new fix on June 5th
[03:21] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  what made me think twice last week they blamed nvidia for the problem with xorg
[03:21] <geneo93> i'm using same driver here
[03:21] <sebast> on this page I was on before about making Gnome look more like Mac OS X.  it said to install some shitty gdesklets applet.  that is supopused to some how make it look like the Doc in OS X.  tryed that what a load of junk.  I hope the thing KDE has for this is better
[03:21] <[Nirvana] > sebast: baghira = kde theme for OSX
[03:21] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Heh yeah I saw that.  That was a bit out of place IMO
[03:22] <sebast> have you got a link for that Nirvana or is that the one someone just gave?
[03:22] <sebast> ah ha it's the one I was given
[03:22] <apokryphos> sebast: use kdelook.org, and search there
[03:22] <geneo93> this is xorg 7.0 and latest nvidia driver
[03:22] <sebast> oh
[03:22] <sebast> you mean 3D type stuff?  uhmmmmmmm the thing like XGL?
[03:22] <sebast> ,but for KDE?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> geneo93: You have 7.0 in Kubuntu ?
[03:23] <tackat> sebast: Do you know about superkaramba and kooldock?
[03:23] <geneo93> yes
[03:23] <sebast> no I don't tackat
[03:23] <Hawkwind> geneo93: You compiled it I assume ?
[03:23] <tackat> sebast: then install those packages
[03:23] <[Nirvana] > sebast: baghira is in the repos, it's just a theme, no 3d unless you use aiglx/xgl and compiz
[03:23] <tackat> :)
[03:23] <geneo93> no its stock
[03:23] <sebast> well XGL won't run on this PC.   no 3D graphics card or whatever
[03:23] <sebast> to old
[03:23] <[Nirvana] > sebast: kwin-theme-baghira or something...
[03:24] <tackat> sebast: especially liquid-wheather is nice :)
[03:24] <sebast> ,but on lap top  XGL should work  haven't tryed yet
[03:24] <[Nirvana] > kwin-baghira
[03:24] <sebast> KDE uhmmmmmmmm I like that hover effect type thing when going over icons,  but that was about it really I guess
[03:25] <sebast> I mean when it comes to the GUI
[03:25] <sebast> KDE has some pretty damn good apps
[03:25] <sebast> that I have been using with Gnome
[03:25] <sebast> in fact I am using Konversation right now with Gnome instead of Xchat
[03:25] <tackat> sebast: and if XGL doesn't work for you might want to try kompose
[03:25] <sebast> and I love K3B :)
[03:25] <tackat> what about Amarok? :)
[03:26] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Hah.  I didn't realize Kubuntu came with Xorg 7.0
[03:26] <sebast> Amarok?????
[03:26] <[Nirvana] > linuxmonkey: that's what a clone partition is for! clone your partition with a live CD or partitionmagic and then runamuck (just edit the boot commands in grub to reflect the clone partitions hda#)
[03:26] <winbond> which compiz for kde .        compiz , compiz-kde , or compiz-vanilla????
[03:26] <apokryphos> winbond: compiz-gnome
[03:26] <winbond> for kde?
[03:26] <winbond> what are the Quinn's and reggaemanu's reposteries?
[03:26] <linuxmonkey> ya [Nirvana]  lol been to busy to try that
[03:26] <tackat> sebast: the music player/ manager :)
[03:27] <apokryphos> winbond: sure; there's no kde-window-decorator yet unfortunately
[03:27] <sebast> I like sound a nice feature I like of Ubuntu.  uhmmmmmm that click here to hide all windows and show the desktop button. it makes sound :)  by default anyway with KDE/Kubuntu there is nothing like that
[03:27] <sebast> that will make a sound when I click on
[03:27] <tackat> http://amarok.kde.org/
[03:27] <winbond> apokryphos: what is the vanilla version for?
[03:28] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  are you using dapper
[03:28] <[Nirvana] > vanilla = no patches
[03:28] <sebast> nah tackat I been using uhmmmmm well Totem to play MP3's  and Mplayer for stuff on webpages
[03:28] <apokryphos> winbond: vanilla is plain FDO cvs, I believe, without ubuntu/quinn modifications
[03:28] <tackat> sebast: then you definetely want amarok ;)
[03:28] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Only on a spare box right now.  I'm going to change my main box(this one) to Kubuntu sometime this week
[03:28] <sebast> oh and Kabboddle to play porno videos so on,  because for some reason Mplayer woudn't go full screen on my video
[03:28] <tackat> kaboodle _yuck_
[03:29] <geneo93> sebast:  just hit f key
[03:29] <sebast> yes
[03:29] <sebast> I say to mplayer go full screne
[03:29] <sebast> screen
[03:29] <sebast> and the video is tiny
[03:29] <sebast> and laods of blue stuff round it
[03:29] <tackat> sebast: if you haven't tried amarok you should really do so :) It has lots of good stuff integrated
[03:30] <geneo93> then your porn videos are poor quality
[03:30] <sebast> Eye of Gnome is the most buggiest shittest program I have ever used.  loves to crash on me :d  better KDE apps for that type of thing Kview so on
[03:30] <Rainier> grub-reboot doesn't work! any idea why?
[03:30] <sebast> I will get amarok,  but not now
[03:30] <AngryElf> sup folks -- just installed kubuntu-desktop......i'm unable to rip CDs using amarok, when i drag and drop the files it says they are invalid......this is from several different CDs
[03:30] <AngryElf> any ideas?
[03:30] <tackat> gwenview?
[03:30] <geneo93> sebast:  kuickshow is nice
[03:30] <winbond> apokryphos: ok im getting gnome , hope youre right
[03:30] <bernier> hi, i know i have a p3 700 but how can i know if it's a pentium pro, a pentium-mmx , a pentium III/celeron/pentium-III xeon, or pentium M?
[03:30] <tackat> AngryElf: does MP3 work for you?
[03:31] <AngryElf> yes
[03:31] <sebast> I might change from  Ubuntu to Kubuntu if
[03:31] <geneo93> bernier: its a 686
[03:31] <tackat> I still use audiocd:/ in konqueror to rip CDs ;)
[03:31] <sebast> if I customize it to how I am happy and what not
[03:32] <sebast> KDE is meant to be better than Gnome,  but I am quite the Gnome fan :d
[03:32] <bernier> geneo93 yes i know but u have to choose between those i listed
[03:33] <sebast> of interest which browser are you guys using and why?
[03:33] <becster> sebast: you'll get over it, I did :)
[03:33] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Is there anything in Kubuntu similar to MCC by chance ?  Everyone I know that's switching asks me that and I don't know the answer
[03:33] <AngryElf> when I put 'audiocd:/' into the location in amarok or konqueror it gives me errors -- can't find it
[03:33] <becster> konqueror, fast
[03:33] <tackat> becster: you got kured ;) ?
[03:33] <geneo93> bernier:  pentium III
[03:34] <becster> where can I get the lastest kaffeine?
[03:34] <sebast> is there a button like the Click here to hide all windows to show the desktop buttion in Ubuntu for Kubuntu that will make a noise when I click on?
[03:34] <sebast> kaffeine yuck
[03:34] <becster> tackat: haha yes
[03:34] <becster> 0.7.1 seems to be the only one in the repos
[03:35] <tackat> AngryElf: Do you have an AudioCD inserted already?
[03:35] <AngryElf> heh
[03:35] <AngryElf> yea
[03:35] <AngryElf>  :)
[03:35] <becster> hehe sebast xine > * ;)
[03:35] <sebast> I like Gaim,  but Kopete isan't as good right?
[03:35] <AngryElf> i love it when i'm helping and get to ask the retarded questions.....it's fun :)
[03:36] <tackat> AngryElf: then you probably lack some KDEMM package
[03:36] <AngryElf> ok fine -- let's do an analogy
[03:36] <AngryElf> ~/.gnomerc is to ubuntu as ____ is to kubuntu?
[03:36] <david__> i think both gaim and kopete suck, are there any other alternatives?
[03:36] <AngryElf> ~/.kderc??
[03:36] <sebast> well for MSN there is AMSN
[03:36] <sebast> and we have LICQ
[03:36] <david__> all i use is aim though
[03:36] <tackat> AngryElf: you got the package kdemultimedia-kio-plugins installed?
[03:37] <tackat> AngryElf: you need that one.
[03:37] <david__> and for some reason i cant figure out how to install the linux version of aim
[03:37] <AngryElf> i do :)
[03:37] <sebast> and I read an article earlier about AOL open sourcing something. in the hope that this will get developers to make more programs that use their protocall or something
[03:37] <james_xxx> i like gaim
[03:38] <becster> I like kopete
[03:38] <AngryElf> how about my analogy folks?--- ~/.gnomerc is to ubuntu as ____ is to kubuntu?
[03:38] <david__> i hate em both
[03:38] <becster> does the job and does it well
[03:38] <sebast> Gaim got ported to Windows,  but why not Kopete for example?
[03:38] <david__> but gaim is slightly better
[03:38] <Rainier> does anyone know how to get grub-reboot working correctly?
[03:38] <becster> sebast: wait until kde4
[03:38] <sebast> what about it?
[03:39] <becster> because it's a KDE app, not a generic gtk app
[03:39] <becster> or a vanilla Qt app
[03:39] <sebast> yes GTK got ported to Windows to
[03:39] <becster> so porting it to windows would be very difficult
[03:39] <sebast> ,but why not port whatever KDE uses instead of GTK to Windows?
[03:39] <nnn0> Qt
[03:39] <geneo93> qt
[03:39] <becster> Qt is ported to windows
[03:39] <becster> it's cross platform
[03:39] <geneo93> has been done already
[03:40] <becster> sebast: try reading up on stuff :)
[03:40] <sebast> so why not port KDE apps to Windows?  such as Kopete?  Konquerer?  Koffice?
[03:40] <nnn0> that's half the point with Qt :)
[03:40] <becster> sebast: thats going to happen somewhat with kde4 iirc
[03:40] <geneo93> because windows sucks
[03:40] <sebast> yes Windows sucks
[03:40] <nnn0> because that would make people use windows !
[03:40] <sebast> ,but even so most people use it.  and it's good to get people using open source even if it is on shitty Windows I reckon
[03:40] <nnn0> and who in their right mind woul that
[03:40] <nnn0> would
[03:41] <BlankB> Is there a problem with nvidia fx-5200 using xinerama? My machine is unberably slow especially using firefox.
[03:41] <nnn0> windows sucks
[03:41] <becster> nnn0: some people need to use windows for work, OSS apps on windows is still a good thing :)
[03:41] <becster> ie OpenOffice etc
[03:41] <nnn0> because most people ar stupid, i don't have to be
[03:41] <Maerksi> hello, i'm not getting an answer on ubuntu, may i try here?
[03:41] <sebast> Firefox :)
[03:41] <Maerksi> how much would you reserve for /, /home and /swap on 40 gb ? i'm clueless
[03:41] <Maerksi> :)
[03:41] <Maerksi> i have 768 mb of ram
[03:42] <nnn0> windows has never been a good thing - it's like a big moneymaking virus
[03:42] <sebast> indeed
[03:42] <nnn0> :)
[03:42] <BlankB> Maerksi: I usually do about 10G for my / and the rest for /home. I dont use a swap partition but rather use a swap file.
[03:42] <sebast> altoguh maybe in 95 Windows was ok?  I mean Linux hadn't really hit off then.  altough we still have Unix then and other OS's/computers
[03:42] <nnn0> and believe me, it wouldn't last :)
[03:42] <Hawkwind> geneo93: Is there anything in Kubuntu similar to MCC by chance ?  Everyone I know that's switching asks me that and I don't know the answer
[03:43] <geneo93> Hawkwind: system settings
[03:43] <Maerksi> hello? no help? :)
[03:43] <BlankB> Maerksi: I usually do about 10G for my / and the rest for /home. I dont use a swap partition but rather use a swap file.
[03:43] <Maerksi> :)
[03:43] <nnn0> microsoft is going down, and they know it - that's why they don't fix windows, it's money down the drain :)
[03:43] <sebast> What is MCC?
[03:44] <Maerksi> thank you
[03:44] <geneo93> Hawkwind:  some things aren't there though
[03:44] <Maerksi> will 10 gb be enough for a long time? is it / reserved for system stuff ?
[03:44] <sebast> yeah some they won't fix some pretty bad security issue in 98 and ME,  because
[03:44] <sebast> they will stop suppourting it soon
[03:44] <Maerksi> i'm guessing my /home is what will grow a lot with personal files right?
[03:44] <sebast> and something about how they would have to re write teh whole of Explorer for that OS
[03:45] <BlankB> Maerksi: the thing that will grow fast in / will be the things in /var
[03:45] <sebast> and they are to lazy to bother doing that.  or they don't want to pay people to do that
[03:45] <nnn0> i don't even believe they know how to fix it, if they wanted
[03:45] <Maerksi> will / only grow with system updates?
[03:45] <Maerksi> i'm new to linux
[03:45] <sebast> 98 is better than 2000 and XP in a lot of ways?  I mean as an OS.  not when it comes to what software runs on it
[03:46] <geneo93> i think M$ is very nerveses about releasing crap they have now
[03:46] <Maerksi> this /, /home and /swap thing confuses me a bit :)
[03:46] <sebast> and sure 2000 and XP are more stable
[03:46] <sebast> ,but other than those two things.  98 is better?
[03:46] <nnn0> i think 2000 was the best one
[03:46] <BlankB> Maerksi: you can always just use the whole drive as / and not worry about it.
[03:46] <nnn0> it didn't run all the games. but still
[03:47] <nnn0> it's only downhill from now
[03:47] <nnn0> :)
[03:47] <sebast> well I liked 2000 at college so on.  so I got a guy to send me it :D  and I had it set up with VMware player inside Ubuntu,  but damn it.  beeping driver for graphics card.  so only 16 bit colours
[03:47] <Maerksi> using /home and / means when i update ubuntu or when things just go wrong, i can format /, reinstall and still have total access to my stuff on /home ? :D
[03:47] <geneo93> yes
[03:47] <nnn0> Maerksi, yepp :)
[03:47] <nnn0> hehe
[03:47] <Maerksi> imagining 'my documents' yes /home and the rest is / ? is it like that?
[03:47] <nnn0> in some cases you would even have your old settings
[03:47] <Maerksi> yes=is
[03:47] <BlankB> Maerksi: yep.
[03:48] <Maerksi> ohh
[03:48] <Maerksi> perfect :D
[03:48] <AngryElf> okay, so amarok and kubuntu are out -- what other app will do me some CD -> mp3/OGG magix
[03:48] <AngryElf> blah -- amarok and konqueror
[03:48] <sebast> Does IE 7 reallly need XP or Vista to run?  or is it possible to get it working with Wine or something like that?
[03:48] <Maerksi> thats impressive
[03:48] <Maerksi> everytime i format windows, there goes everything...
[03:49] <nnn0> you can move the documents folder in windows too
[03:49] <Maerksi> so i can mess with linux as a newbie, make things work wrong and still have the security that i only need to format / and my stuff on /home will be waiting?
[03:49] <Maerksi> :)
[03:49] <Maerksi> sorry my english
[03:49] <nnn0> yes linux is truly great
[03:49] <nnn0> :)
[03:50] <nnn0> and the whole filesystem is different
[03:50] <geneo93> Maerksi:  you may have to delete some setting in home dir to fix things you goofed up
[03:50] <Maerksi> the /home is like a global 'my documents' or is it separated by users?
[03:50] <Maerksi> ahh ok :)
[03:50] <nnn0> you don't have to have your disk like C:, D:, E: etc - you can have them whereever you want
[03:50] <Maerksi> if it is separated by users, is it like /home/usr ?
[03:50] <nnn0> no not just /home but /home/youruser
[03:51] <geneo93> no usr is in root
[03:51] <Maerksi> ohhh, i see
[03:51] <geneo93> protected from you
[03:51] <Maerksi> what is the difference between /usr and /home/yourusername ?
[03:51] <nnn0> in /home it's usually just a folder pr user
[03:51] <nnn0> yes /usr is like programs
[03:51] <Maerksi> ahhh
[03:52] <geneo93> libs and so on
[03:52] <Maerksi> like program files in windows?
[03:52] <nnn0> almost
[03:52] <Maerksi> hummm
[03:52] <nnn0> there are sevral places for that in linux
[03:52] <Maerksi> and /home is like my documents, videos, mp3, etc?
[03:52] <nnn0> a matter of taste almost
[03:52] <geneo93> yes
[03:52] <nnn0> yes
[03:52] <Maerksi> nice nice :)
[03:53] <Maerksi> now, are kubuntu and ubuntu released at the same time?
[03:53] <Maerksi> or is kubuntu like a secondary project ?
[03:53] <geneo93> if you google linux tree you can see what it is like
[03:53] <nnn0> and forget about the text console in windows - linux is in another dimension ;)
[03:53] <Maerksi> geneo93 i'll do it right now :)
[03:53] <nnn0> you should learn abit about the console
[03:54] <Maerksi> i've read some stuff on the foruns about the console
[03:54] <nnn0> or terminal or shell or whatever
[03:54] <nnn0> the console is very powerful
[03:54] <Maerksi> most tell me that if I know how to copy past stuff, i'll do fine and slowly learn
[03:54] <nnn0> not like DOS at all
[03:54] <nnn0> na dto use 'man'
[03:55] <nnn0> and to use...
[03:55] <Maerksi> i just know ls, sudo gedit, ./ , the basics
[03:55] <Maerksi> man from manual right?
[03:55] <nnn0> yes hehe
[03:55] <Maerksi> help file?
[03:55] <Maerksi> great :)
[03:55] <nnn0> yep
[03:55] <nnn0> like: man ls
[03:55] <Maerksi> hummm, i see
[03:55] <nnn0> or in some cases: info ls
[03:55] <Maerksi> ah sorry to repeat this
[03:55] <geneo93> just grab a unix manual
[03:55] <nnn0> just press Q to exit
[03:56] <AngryElf> i've got a CD in the drive and i'm actively listening to music, yet it's not mounted according to /etc/mtab.........???
[03:56] <Maerksi> but is kubuntu and ubuntu released at the same time? or is kubuntu like a secondary project ?
[03:56] <nnn0> it's the same project
[03:56] <nnn0> just with different window managers
[03:56] <nnn0> ubuntu use gnome, na dkubuntu kde
[03:57] <Maerksi> so kubuntu isn't maintained only by a couple of kde lovers right?
[03:57] <nnn0> in linux you have alot of choices to what kind of "windows" you want to run
[03:57] <Maerksi> it seemed in the begining of ubuntu that kubuntu was a kde fans project, not a canonical project
[03:57] <nnn0> nono, u can install ubuntu and easily switch to kubuntu - or xbuntu for that matter
[03:57] <Maerksi> nice :)
[03:58] <Maerksi> i tried xubuntu but xfce doesnt seem to be very user friendly
[03:58] <nnn0> :)
[03:58] <Maerksi> at least to a newbie like me
[03:58] <Maerksi> :)
[03:58] <Maerksi> ahhh another stuuuupid question
[03:58] <nnn0> gnome and kde is the most bloated ones
[03:58] <Maerksi> how do i minimize windows in kde?
[03:58] <Maerksi> in gnome i see the icon
[03:58] <Maerksi> how do i do it in kde?
[03:58] <nnn0> however you like
[03:58] <nnn0> you can set it up just like you want it :D
[03:59] <Maerksi> ahh
[03:59] <Maerksi> is there a default one?
[03:59] <Maerksi> like f10 or something?
[03:59] <nnn0> like if you want to minimize when you doubleclick the banner or something
[03:59] <nnn0> hm
[03:59] <Maerksi> banner beeing the top of the active window? sorry my english, i'm portuguese
[03:59] <Maerksi> :)
[04:00] <Maerksi> like if i had done a fresh kubuntu install, and oppened 5 programs, how would I minimize them all? whats the default setting?
[04:00] <becster> how do I search for src packages in Adept?
[04:00] <Maerksi> in gnome and ubuntu I click on the desktop icon
[04:00] <Maerksi> in osx I use expose
[04:01] <Maerksi> in kde is there a default ?
[04:01] <nnn0> hm donno
[04:01] <nnn0> i use the mouse
[04:01] <nnn0> :)
[04:01] <Maerksi> clicking on the 5 windows?
[04:01] <nnn0> i normally switch to a new desktop if i want a clean one
[04:02] <nnn0> or use the kicker button
[04:02] <nnn0> in linux you usually have several desktops
[04:02] <Maerksi> yes
[04:02] <nnn0> but i guess you could make a shortcut to the kicker button
[04:02] <PyroMithrandir> there is a kicker applet that'll do it, Maerksi
[04:03] <Maerksi> where is it?
[04:03] <ChefWill> can someone help me i keep getting this popup: kscience.kss             Will not save configuration.  Configuration file /home/admin/.kde/share/config/kscience.kssrc not writable Configuration file kdeglobals not writable"
[04:03] <winbond> does anyone know where to get the latest mesa lib?
[04:03] <PyroMithrandir> right click on the panel> add applet
[04:03] <Maerksi> can i put it on the kde bar?
[04:03] <PyroMithrandir> it's called "Show Desktop"
[04:03] <Maerksi> where can i find it?
[04:03] <PyroMithrandir> uh, if by "kde bar" you mean panel, yes
[04:03] <Maerksi> :)
[04:03] <Maerksi> yes, panel, sorry :)
[04:03] <PyroMithrandir> right click on the panel> add applet
[04:04] <Maerksi> i see
[04:04] <Maerksi> taking mental notes
[04:04] <nnn0> if you forget it it's all in www.google.com :D
[04:04] <Maerksi> i searched in google for linux tree but they are all so confusing, is there a cleaner one to be able to learn?
[04:04] <tackat> Maerksi: If you want to see _really_ all kinds of configurations you could ever do with regard to the windowmanager just type
[04:05] <tackat> kcmshell kwinoptions kwindecoration keys
[04:05] <tackat> and press enter
[04:05] <Maerksi> http://www.centerkey.com/tree/
[04:05] <Maerksi> this one is a mess
[04:05] <Maerksi> :\
[04:05] <tackat> on the konsole
[04:05] <tackat> ;)
[04:06] <Maerksi> no nice example on wikipedia also
[04:06] <Maerksi> i would love to learn the structure of linux but typing linux tree on google won't get me there :) lol
[04:08] <Rainier> does anyone know how to make grub-reboot work?
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Maerksi: You mean something like http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_01.html
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Maerksi: You'll probably want to scroll down to section 3.1.3
[04:09] <[fadli_klate] > <Maerksi> like if i had done a fresh kubuntu install, and oppened 5 programs, how would I minimize them all? whats the default setting?
[04:09] <[fadli_klate] > try Ctrl+Alt+D
[04:10] <Maerksi> i will :)
[04:10] <sebast> well past 3am here so time to get out of here
[04:11] <sebast> and bed in a bit
[04:11] <sebast> bye
[04:11] <Maerksi> thank you very much guys for all your help. :)
[04:12] <Maerksi> CheeseBurgerMan reading it, great example
[04:12] <Maerksi> thank you :)
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> no problem. :)
[04:12] <Maerksi> thank you all, bye bye :)
[04:14] <Jack_Sparrow> I have been having some serious video problems with Kubuntu badger and Nvidia 5500 chipset
[04:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Can anyone walk me through checking my video settings
[04:17] <PyroMithrandir> Jack_Sparrow, ah, that's my video card
[04:17] <PyroMithrandir> are you using the nvidia driver?
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> trying to play DVD
[04:17] <PyroMithrandir> !DVD
[04:17] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> i d/led those already
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> it didn't auto mount the dvd drive maybe?
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> i don't see it in storage media
[04:17] <PyroMithrandir> well, then, yeah
[04:18] <MasterEvilAce> how do i.. make it work
[04:20] <chavo> MasterEvilAce, you don't need to mount the dvd, just have your media app open it up
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> ah, well it's erroring saying something about access writes and /dev/dvd
[04:21] <PyroMithrandir> access rights, maybe? you don't want to be writing to it to play it...
[04:22] <chavo> MasterEvilAce, make sure your user is in plugdev group?
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> not sure what that is
[04:22] <chavo> run id in console, it'll list the groups you're in
[04:23] <MasterEvilAce> how do i add myself to that group
[04:23] <ChefWill> can someone help me i keep getting this popup: kscience.kss             Will not save configuration.  Configuration file /home/admin/.kde/share'/config/kscience.kssrc not writable Configuration file kdeglobals not writable"
[04:23] <nnn0> Cheapy, check the permissions
[04:24] <Cheapy> okay
[04:24] <TheHighChild> Hey folks, no sound on Gaim 2 Beta. it's worked since install but has ceased today. i've tried a few things including a reboot. Any thoughts?
[04:24] <nnn0> and you have a ' after "share" but that maybe just a typo
[04:26] <chavo> MasterEvilAce, sorry SytemSettings - Users and Groups
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[04:38] <Hobbsee> heya Hawkwind
[04:39] <Hawkwind> It seems kinda quiet here tonight.  Everyone must be watching basketball or something
[04:39] <Hobbsee> well, in the UK and around there it's the middle of the night...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> this place does tend to get quiet at all though
[04:40] <Hawkwind> I guess that might have been a bit drastic
[04:41] <Hawkwind> A garden hose might have worked well instead
[04:43] <MrObvious> I could cut cheese :p
[04:43] <MrObvious> Kidding
[04:43] <MrObvious> No kidding it is quiet.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think people are active in other places
[04:45] <MrObvious> I would probably be more active if I were on the other computer with KUbuntu.
[04:45] <MrObvious> I'm on Mandriva right now.
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Im on Kubuntu right now. :P
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, that didn't work well.
[04:49] <nnn0> :)
[04:49] <nnn0> i'm on SimplyMEPIS 6.0 beta
[04:49] <nnn0> that's practically kubuntu :)
[04:49] <DrBair> is it MEPIS thats using the ubuntu repositories?
[04:50] <nnn0> yepp - the dapper pool
[04:50] <DrBair> pretty nifty
[04:50] <MrObvious> Hmm
[04:50] <winbond> anyone here used the skript by jesper to install xgl??
[04:51] <MrObvious> What's interesting is google might make a linux or back one based on Debian/Ubuntu I think.
[04:51] <MrObvious> I've heard rumors about that.
[04:51] <DrBair> i don't like how XGL works on KDE
[04:51] <nnn0> me neither
[04:51] <winbond> i dont want google to make linux , it will be full of nsa spy shit in it
[04:52] <Kyral> winbond: can't
[04:52] <MrObvious> I doubt that.
[04:52] <DrBair> nah, it will just index your hard drive so everyone can search it
[04:52] <Kyral> Open Source principles would dictate that if they wanted it out it would be out
[04:52] <nnn0> google has already made their own linux, but it's used only internally
[04:53] <Hobbsee> MrObvious: how's mandriva?
[04:53] <romeo5k> wats the difference between  firefox and  Konqueror??
[04:53] <MrObvious> And if google wants to take on Microcrap, they have to do it based on their own game, an OS
[04:53] <Hobbsee> romeo5k: try them both :P
[04:53] <DrBair> romeo5k: completely different rendering engines
[04:53] <romeo5k> im using firefox now..
[04:53] <romeo5k>  already used Konqueror
[04:53] <romeo5k>  and it was problems
[04:53] <MrObvious> Hobbsee: Eh, I liked 10.2 better actually :|. I think Ubuntu may be more stable now that I've used both. But it's ok for user friendlyness.
[04:54] <DrBair> i like konqueror because it blends into the kde desktop nicely
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nic
[04:54] <Hobbsee> e
[04:54] <romeo5k> even though java installed .. it still would not pulll yahoo games
[04:54] <romeo5k>  like it did not wanna start the java
[04:54] <DrBair> java was enabled in konq?
[04:54] <[fadli_klate] > xgl in kubuntu? wow, anyone here tried it?
[04:54] <romeo5k>  i think it is.... in the settings right
[04:54] <romeo5k> ?
[04:54] <winbond> whats a command for executing a .deb?
[04:55] <MrObvious> winbond: Wow lol
[04:55] <DrBair> romeo5k: yep, in there
[04:55] <nnn0> winbond, apt-get install blabla.deb
[04:55] <[fadli_klate] > dpkg -i anything.deb?
[04:55] <romeo5k> DrBair: yep.. installed..
[04:55] <romeo5k> i mean enabled
[04:55] <winbond> okkk, ty
[04:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah, 'dpkg -i *.deb' is right -- 'apt-get install *' installs something from the repos.
[04:56] <DrBair> romeo5k: dunno then
[04:56] <romeo5k> are u using it now???
[04:56] <DrBair> romeo5k: konq does have more quirks, whether by design or because it just has less exposure to the world
[04:57] <DrBair> konqueror, i only break out firefox for sites that don
[04:57] <DrBair> 't like it
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !deb
[04:57] <romeo5k> DrBair which java  u installed  in urs and does Konq work??
[04:57] <DrBair> i think its dead
[04:58] <Hobbsee> !bot
[04:59] <MrObvious> :|
[04:59] <DrBair> romeo5k: i have the sun one installed... usually works the best
[04:59] <MrObvious> Thats why the channel is dead tonight :|
[04:59] <DrBair> i think its working...
[04:59] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ah ha...
[04:59] <romeo5k> ok... i just installed the firfox plugin
[05:00] <romeo5k>  and now its werking
[05:01] <DrBair> romeo5k: konqueror uses firefox plugins
[05:01] <kkathman> hi Hobbsee :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> heya kkathman
[05:02] <romeo5k>  oh... well durr.. i nvere knew trhat
[05:02] <kkathman> how are you tonight Hobbsee
[05:02] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  Im giving T-bird a try, as kmail seemed to have a corruption problem :(
[05:03] <kkathman> If you know of a way to get Kmail into T-bird I'd appreciate it
[05:03] <romeo5k> DrBair: can Konq use flash, shockwave,and ... hmm isnt there another one??
[05:03] <romeo5k> or is that all in adept?
[05:03] <DrBair> romeo5k: it can use the firefox plugins yes
[05:03] <Hobbsee> kkathman: nice.  got no idea about going that way, unless you can export it some how
[05:03] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  yeah I dont think so :(
[05:03] <DrBair> romeo5k: you need to add a repository to get macromedia flash going
[05:04] <romeo5k> ok.. bbl
[05:04] <DrBair> romeo5k: and it is VERY quicky
[05:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> kkathman: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq#kmail
[05:04] <romeo5k> how
[05:04] <romeo5k>  mind walking me throu??
[05:04] <romeo5k> DrBair :?
[05:04] <kkathman> thanx CheeseBurgerMan lemme check that out
[05:05] <DrBair> i don't remember honestly
[05:05] <DrBair> !flash
[05:05] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:06] <DrBair> ok, not too bad to instlal
[05:06] <romeo5k> im trying to find the 64 bit part
[05:07] <romeo5k>  DrBair: or is it all the same?
[05:07] <DrBair> romeo5k: non-existant actually. there is no 64 bit flash for any platform
[05:07] <romeo5k> ok
[05:07] <romeo5k>  making sure
[05:07] <DrBair> there is a GPLed implementation in the repositories, but it doesn't support newer versions of flash which are the most common
[05:09] <m1ke_l> if i install ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...will gnome still be an option?
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> m1ke_l: Yes.
[05:10] <m1ke_l> wicked.
[05:10] <m1ke_l> thanks
[05:21] <AngryElf> in gnome, the windows that are opened are connected with the workspace that they were opened in - and when you switch to a new workspace you dont see any of the programs on the taskbar - is there a way to have this done in kde?
[05:22] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, AngryElf
[05:22] <PyroMithrandir> right click on the panel, go to Taskbar
[05:22] <PyroMithrandir> and uncheck the "Show windows from all desktops"
[05:23] <ChefWill> can someone help me
[05:23] <AngryElf> !help
[05:23] <ChefWill> i keep getting popups saying that a certain configuration file is not writable
[05:23] <ChefWill> and "will not save configuration"
[05:23] <Lorri> D:
[05:24] <Lorri> I tried installing XGL
[05:24] <Lorri> How do I check if it's installed
[05:24] <AngryElf> ChefWill, you need to check the permissions and/or open it using sudo
[05:24] <luisito> !xgl
[05:24] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:24] <AngryElf> thanx PyroMithrandir
[05:24] <Lorri> thanks
[05:24] <Vandrei_Jaques> !ati
[05:24] <Vandrei_Jaques> !ATI
[05:24] <ChefWill> AngryElf:  it keeps popping up for random programs though, im not even opening them
[05:25] <sledge> Hey, anybody know a tool that measure hard-drive seek times?
[05:25] <ChefWill> ill be away and tll popup some
[05:25] <AngryElf> i'd say you have other issues then - something is opening them and it clearly doesn't have permission to edit them
[05:25] <AngryElf> i dont know how to track that down
[05:26] <ChefWill> me neither
[05:26] <AngryElf> you could wait for it to open then  ps aux|grep programName  and see what user opened it - that's about all i could say
[05:27] <ChefWill> something messed up bigtime
[05:27] <Lorri> hmm
[05:27] <Lorri> Whoever did ! xgl didn't answer my question
[05:27] <Lorri> :<
[05:27] <Lorri> I tried installing XGL, but I'm not sure if it's installed correctly
[05:27] <Lorri> How do I check for it?
[05:28] <betty> hi
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> Lorri: xgl isn't really kde friendly.
[05:29] <Lorri> Yeah but still
[05:29] <Lorri> How do I check for it
[05:29] <Lorri> :<
[05:30] <AngryElf> what screensaver does kubuntu use?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> AngryElf: any of them?
[05:30] <AngryElf> default?
[05:31] <chavo> screensavers broken here
[05:32] <Hobbsee> chavo: define broken?  not starting at the time it's supposed to?
[05:32] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's a bug with the menu system
[05:34] <chavo> I put all of my menus into a submenu, and now kscreensaver can't find them
[05:35] <sledge> Hey, does anybody know a tool that measures hard-drive seek times?
[05:35] <francf> Chavo: si quieres tener los menus originales de nuevo, solo borra la carpeta .config/ que esta en tu home
[05:35] <PyroMithrandir> !es
[05:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:36] <francf> sledge: hdparm
[05:36] <sledge> francf: hdparm measures throughput, not seek times
[05:36] <francf> ok, sorry
[05:36] <chavo> francf, I know how to fix it, but I like my menus more than I like the screensaver
[05:36] <francf> ubotu: tks, no problem man.
[05:36] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, francf
[05:37] <Lorri> !xgl
[05:37] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:37] <chavo> I have my most used apps on the top level and then put all the other menus in a submenu
[05:39] <Hobbsee> chavo: er, okay.  file a bug for it?
[05:39] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's reported on kde bugs
[05:39] <Hobbsee> chavo: ah okay, cool :)
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> Lorri: if your XGL is working you'll know it. ie. moving windows will be wobbly, etc.
[05:39] <PyroMithrandir> hey, speaking of screensavers, mine stopped working a while ago
[05:40] <PyroMithrandir> but I didn't care enough to figure out why
[05:40] <Lorri> ok
[05:40] <Lorri> :<
[05:40] <PyroMithrandir> now I'm curious
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> PyroMithrandir: did you move your mouse :p
[05:40] <PyroMithrandir> :P
[05:40] <[fadli_klate] > currently installing xgl in kubuntu. not finished yet. hehe
[05:40] <PyroMithrandir> no, really, it won't start. I even just set it to start after a minute and waited to check
[05:41] <[fadli_klate] > why there is lots of stuff to download  (136 packages)?
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> PyroMithrandir: mine stops working on occasion as well, I've been blaming mine on suspend/resumes on my laptop.
[05:41] <gman_> hi all, is there aan alternative to automatix and easyubuntu for dapper? easy errors and I don't want to touch automatix
[05:41] <PyroMithrandir> mine is a desktop, so I don't use those features
[05:42] <PyroMithrandir> I think mine will start if I do the "Lock session and start new one" thing
[05:42] <PyroMithrandir> let me check
[05:42] <PyroMithrandir> Yeah, it starts then
[05:42] <PyroMithrandir> anyone have any ideas as to why it won't start on its own?
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> PyroMithrandir: mine doesn't start if I just lock the session, I get a blank screen and lock, but the fireworks doesn't start.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> !tell gman_ about restricted
[05:43] <Hobbsee> gman_: it's not very hard to do it manually - follow the wiki
[05:44] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, dmesg spits out http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/707895
[05:44] <imbrandon_> dosent look goot
[05:44] <imbrandon_> good*
[05:44] <gman_> roger that. thanks
[05:44] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: /var/log/dmesg, then
[05:44] <imbrandon_> k
[05:45] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/707896
[05:46] <perrin> hi,  is anyone able to help me with some dependancy issues i cant resolve?  can be seen at -- http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/707897
[05:46] <perrin> im new to linux / kubuntu, and cant work it out
[05:47] <imbrandon_> perrin, can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[05:47] <perrin> sure
[05:49] <perrin> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/707900
[05:49] <imbrandon_> perrin, you are on breezy trying to install a dapper armarok from kubuntu repos
[05:49] <imbrandon_> that wont work
[05:50] <nnn0> cool if one could just; sources-list > http://pastebin.net/ :D
[05:50] <perrin> okay..
[05:50] <perrin> so change dapper to breezy?
[05:50] <nnn0> i ment if it was possible
[05:50] <imbrandon_> perrin, here is _MY_ dapper sources.list with universe and multiverse and the kubuntu.org repos
[05:51] <perrin> i just followed the instructions on the amarok website
[05:51] <imbrandon_> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/sources.list
[05:51] <imbrandon_> perrin, yea but those are for dapper not breezy
[05:51] <perrin> ah ok
[05:52] <imbrandon_> if you want dapper use my sources.list and "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"   might want to read this link too first ......
[05:52] <imbrandon_> !upgrade
[05:52] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[05:52] <perrin> ah ok
[05:53] <perrin> so dapper is the next version, and i dont have it
[05:53] <imbrandon_> dapper is the current stable
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> yeah, be careful, you don't want to upgrade to edgy right now :)
[05:53] <imbrandon_> breezy was the last version
[05:53] <perrin> oh ok  must have only just happened?  cos i only recently downloaded breezy
[05:53] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: well, there's nothing in your dmesg indicating that it was actually detected
[05:54] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, can i just add it to /etc/modules ?
[05:54] <imbrandon_> perrin, it happened june 1st
[05:54] <perrin> fair enough
[05:54] <perrin> just not up with the latest
[05:55] <imbrandon_> ;) witch is fine but you cant install that amarok with the version you have ;)
[05:55] <perrin> lol
[05:55] <perrin> ok
[05:55] <perrin> ah the joys of learning linux
[05:55] <imbrandon_> upgrading should be simple
[05:55] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: you can attempt, but I'm by no means a forcedeth or amd64 guru.
[05:55] <Ahmuck> hi imbrandon
[05:56] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, ok thanks
[05:56] <imbrandon_> heya Ahmuck how go's it
[05:56] <perrin> yeah,  im just gonna do what you said and use your sources.list
[05:56] <Ahmuck> not to bad, just chillin
[05:56] <perrin> or maybe follow the wiki
[05:57] <imbrandon_> perrin, you can follow what i said just skim over the wiki incase you run into problems
[05:57] <imbrandon_> you can trubbleshoot better that way
[05:57] <perrin> ok thanks
[05:59] <imbrandon_> here it is in one command to get everything done , just copy and paste this and when its finished reboot and you SHOULD be all happy ........ "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"   ( of course after you put my sources.list in place )
[05:59] <imbrandon_> ^^ perrin
[06:00] <perrin> nice thanks
[06:01] <perrin> looks like its doing its thing
[06:02] <imbrandon_> ;)
[06:02] <imbrandon_> yea it will take about ~45min depending on your connection
[06:02] <perrin> could take a while on 512k ADSL :(
[06:02] <imbrandon_> 45 min to an hour probbly
[06:02] <perrin> ok,  enough time to go clean out my car
[06:03] <perrin> oh man  it reckons 2hrs 30min @ 52KB/s
[06:04] <imbrandon_> ouch
[06:04] <imbrandon_> you in USA ?
[06:04] <perrin> nope australia
[06:05] <imbrandon_> ahh you might want to stop it ( ctl + c ) and change the sources.list from http://us.archi....... to http://au.archiv........
[06:05] <imbrandon_> and re run that command
[06:05] <crimsun_> 52 KB/s beats the pants off my 3.5 KB/s
[06:05] <imbrandon_> probbly be faster for ya
[06:05] <perrin> ah ok
[06:06] <perrin> will do
[06:06] <imbrandon_> ouch crimsun_ dialup or bad broadband ?
[06:06] <crimsun_> dialup
[06:06] <imbrandon_> ouch
[06:06] <we6jbo> hi
[06:06] <imbrandon_> 'ello
[06:06] <AngryElf> how do i change the background color of the applications on a panel? Or the panel itself -- it didn't change when I changed my default color theme
[06:07] <imbrandon_> AngryElf, right click and configure pannel then ...
[06:07] <imbrandon_> click appearence
[06:07] <imbrandon_> its on the bottom of that tab
[06:08] <imbrandon_> you can check the box to colorize to match color or just choose a diff bg image
[06:08] <imbrandon_> or make transparent etc
[06:08] <AngryElf> yup, found it
[06:10] <Evera> What's the hotkey for disabling/enabling X
[06:10] <perrin> thanks for your help imbrandon,  ill be back later once its complete
[06:11] <AngryElf> stupid workspaces are a different color :/
[06:11] <imbrandon_> kk perrin good luck, i should be here all night ( your day ) if you need anything
[06:12] <perrin> thanks a lot
[06:12] <imbrandon_> Evera, ctl+alt+backspace ? that kills x
[06:12] <Evera> How do you start it in console
[06:12] <Evera> just x?
[06:13] <imbrandon_> startx
[06:13] <Evera> ah
[06:13] <Evera> thanks
[06:13] <imbrandon_> "startx" or if you have kdm installed "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[06:18] <AngryElf> so, i was running ubuntu, installed kubuntu and now whenever I log out i get a blank screen.....can't do anything, crtl alt f1 does nothing....could it be KDM??  is there any reason i can't use GDM with KDE?
[06:19] <PyroMithrandir> you can use KDE with GDM
[06:19] <PyroMithrandir> it just won't give you the option to shutdown your computer from within KDE
[06:19] <PyroMithrandir> you'll have to log out of KDE and shutdown from the GDM login screen
[06:20] <AngryElf> well then, why is it crashing when i log out?
[06:20] <PyroMithrandir> beats me
[06:28] <AngryElf> when i log out - after a few seconds my monitor is reporting an out of sync error
[06:28] <AngryElf> but i dont have this problem when I boot up to the login screen
[06:30] <bleaked> does anyone know who the kubuntu amarok dev is?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> bleaked: er, anyone and everyone i think
[06:32] <bleaked> Hobbsee: well, yes, but the one who is packaging the 1.4 series releases..
[06:32] <Hobbsee> bleaked: Ridd*ell - why in particular?
[06:33] <bleaked> well, this bug ( http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125210 ) seems to be persistent in all of the 1.4 kubuntu builds .. and there's a stated solution and it just has not been fixed thus far..
[06:37] <unix_infidel> hey guys i'm still dealing with the same problem, i have to physically unplug and replug my mouse for ohci_hcd to wake up and load the mouse drivers
[06:37] <unix_infidel> i've got ohci uhci and usbcore all loaded up. and it still wont work unless i physically unplug/replug.
[06:38] <unix_infidel> anyone with any ideas?
[06:38] <unix_infidel> i've google to no avail.
[06:38] <bleaked> unix_infidel: ubuntuforums.com?
[06:38] <unix_infidel> those usually showup in google searches often enough.
[06:39] <bleaked> unix_infidel: so what is your problem exactly?
[06:39] <unix_infidel> bleaked: like above. the mouse doesnt work when i startx until i physically unplug or replug the mouse
[06:40] <unix_infidel> HOWEVER, its not xorg specific as if i do cat /dev/input/mouse it ONLY gives output after i replug
[06:40] <unix_infidel> i'm thinking its a kernel issue.
[06:40] <unix_infidel> its a kensington usb mouse
[06:40] <imbrandon_> you tried a diff usb mouse to confirm its not your usb controller >?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> bleaked: brilliant, thanks
[06:41] <unix_infidel> imbrandon_: it worked with breezy.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: do you happen to have amarok 1.3.9 on your system?
[06:41] <unix_infidel> it JUST started after i did an upgrade to dapper.
[06:41] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, 1.4
[06:41] <Hobbsee> bleaked: was this still a problem with amarok 1.3.9?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: darn
[06:41] <unix_infidel> it works in windows as well, so i'm pretty sure its a kernel issue but i cant seem to isolate it.
[06:41] <mchonis> hello all
[06:42] <unix_infidel> i mean all the proper modules are loaded and everything seems to be working fine and no error messages related to USB in dmesg or other logs.
[06:42] <unix_infidel> i'm.....stumped.
[06:42] <imbrandon_> unix_infidel, right but another mouse would tell you if its a mouse kernel issue or a usb contoller kernel issue
[06:42] <mchonis> just installed kubuntu (not 20 minutes ago)... soooo quick to setup
[06:42] <unix_infidel> imbrandon_: like i said, its not a usb controller issue specific to the hardware as it worked perfectly in the breezy install.
[06:43] <imbrandon_> but breezy used a diffrent kernel you cant be sure if its the controller code in the kernel or the mouse code is what i'm getting at
[06:43] <imbrandon_> i know the HARDWARE works
[06:43] <bleaked> Hobbsee: no, only since the 1.4 betas and 1.4 final kubuntu builds.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> mm okay
[06:44] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, whats up ?
[06:44] <unix_infidel> imbrandon_: ok i gotcha.
[06:44] <unix_infidel> so how would i go about simulating the same situation without a reboot?
[06:44] <unix_infidel> where ohci isnt awake.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: looking to change KDS - but i'm not sure if my change will affect amarok 1.3.9 users badly
[06:44] <imbrandon_> ahh
[06:45] <imbrandon_> i can downgrade and test if you need me to
[06:45] <imbrandon_> no biggie to me
[06:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: that'd be cool, thanks
[06:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: dont worry
[06:46] <bleaked> Hobbsee: man, amarok 1.4 should really have made it into dapper.. i found it far more stable and featuresome than any of the <1.4 releases..
[06:47] <Hobbsee> bleaked: yeah, i know, but feature freeze.
[06:47] <Lorri> !xgl
[06:47] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:47] <Lorri> !ati
[06:50] <orient2000> What is XGL?
[06:52] <unix_infidel> hey guys i'm back, i got my mouse problem fixed but i seem to be having a different problem with aterm.
[06:52] <unix_infidel> Aterm seems to be acting up: where i can start aterm with trans and execute irssi from bash and it'll work, but if i execute aterm [trans flags]  -e irssi it shows up as a plain black term with no trans.
[06:54] <unix_infidel> it spits out something before it executes irssi that i THINK might give me some hint as to what's going on, but for some reason it blips away too fast because irssi starts up.
[06:55] <unix_infidel> anyone with some insight?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> bleaked: thanks for that
[06:57] <unix_infidel> can someone atleast mabye tell me how i could look at some of the stuff that blips by when i do aterm [trans tags]  -e irssi
[06:58] <unix_infidel> it MIGHT have to do with localization and LANG stuff because i had problem with ncurses stuff and aterm before i defined $LANG in bashrc and bash_profile
[07:00] <betty> hi
[07:00] <betty> anyone awake?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> bleaked: ping
[07:01] <Hawkwind> D'oh!
[07:01] <Hobbsee> now you be careful - i'm messing with kubuntu stuff :P
[07:01] <Hawkwind> I just read your wiki page.  Very interesting :)
[07:01] <Hobbsee> oh really?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> LOL @ bright pink
[07:01] <Hobbsee> it's a bit old - i've done more packages than that now...
[07:01] <Hobbsee> and i'm on the KCC now, which isnt there
[07:02] <Hawkwind> I can't possibly imagine E17 in pink
[07:02] <betty> My wiki page?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> oh, on e17...i mightnt be able to change that..
[07:02] <betty> Have you seen my wiki page. It's entitled D-Star
[07:02] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I was just stumbling through the wiki.  Being new to Ubuntu stuff that I am, just trying to see what kind of info I can find out there
[07:02] <betty> actually not technically "my" wiki
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: ah yes
[07:03] <betty> was I just kicked out of #kubuntu just a little while ago?
[07:03] <Hawkwind> betty: No, you had a quit message of Excess Flood
[07:04] <betty> I have a question
[07:04] <betty> how do you play games on the internet?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> betty: shoot
[07:05] <Hobbsee> what type of games?
[07:05] <betty> like if I want to play checkers
[07:05] <nnn0> then you google that :D
[07:07] <betty> I'm trying to find out how fast my connection is with SpeedCrunch does anyone know howto use that?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> betty: IIRC speedcrunch is a calculator?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> how?
[07:08] <noiesmo> hello Hobsee
[07:08] <noiesmo> hello DaSkreech
[07:08] <betty> well it has things like degrees and radians
[07:08] <nnn0> :)
[07:08] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  just so you know, that T-bird conversion of kmail doesnt work as reported on the FAQ page :(
[07:08] <Hobbsee> kkathman: great.  which FAQ page?
[07:09] <kkathman> Ive spent all night trying to get that to work
[07:09] <crimsun_> I highly dislike moz-tbird
[07:09] <Lorri> Where do I change what happens when I fold my monitor town
[07:09] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/faq.html#kmail
[07:10] <betty> Does anyone know how I can get rid of the spam mail that I got. I just got this email today
[07:10] <Hobbsee> mmm okay
[07:10] <Hobbsee> betty: delete it?
[07:10] <betty> well I did but it comes back
[07:10] <kkathman> there may be a problem with kmail, because when I created the folders and moved the items into them, they didnt really get created as folders in the .../kmail/mail directory
[07:10] <betty> I got one in the afternoon and three just now
[07:12] <Lorri> I can't mount my USB HDD
[07:12] <Lorri> D<
[07:15] <betty> hello?
[07:15] <betty> Is there any games on this server that I can play?
[07:20] <bleaked> Hobbsee: pong
[07:20] <Hobbsee> bleaked: asking for the fix - the guy's asleep though
[07:20] <bleaked> very nice :D
[07:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:20] <bleaked> merci
[07:25] <achandra> Hello...Wondering if anyonehas a slick "guide" for dealing with openldap autentcation of linux boxes
[07:29] <Lorri> !ati
[07:37] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:37] <Kadran> _rince_: is it gutten morgen :)
[07:39] <_rince_> "guten morgen" it is ;)
[07:45] <Lorri> i'm getting errors when trying to apt-get install
[07:46] <Lorri> For the packages that I attempted to install before
[08:10] <mebus1> kjhjhjkh
[08:18] <exceswater> good morning everyone :D
[08:20] <exceswater> anybody here?
[08:20] <pd273> good mornring
[08:21] <pd273> :)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:21] <exceswater> who can give some advices about installing nvidia drivers on kubuntu :(
[08:21] <exceswater> ?
[08:21] <exceswater> hi Hobbsee
[08:21] <exceswater> :D
[08:21] <pd273> I'v got an ATI card, have not tried NVDIA
[08:22] <pd273> but in ubuntuforums you can find lots of help
[08:22] <exceswater> i cannot install this driver
[08:22] <exceswater> i'm driving crazy
[08:22] <travis|linux> nvidia drivers for what?
[08:22] <exceswater> the past few days i tryed and tryed but no result
[08:22] <travis|linux> video?
[08:23] <exceswater> yuo
[08:23] <exceswater> yup
[08:23] <pd273> exceswater: I can understand I tried installing fglrx for my Mobility 9200, I went crazy too
[08:23] <exceswater> for geforce 4 mx 440
[08:23] <travis|linux> you don't have to do anything really... just a sec I'll tell u what to install
[08:23] <exceswater> i download driver
[08:23] <travis|linux> same thing I have
[08:23] <pd273> some times it dosent work, besides I dont do much gamins so no probs
[08:23] <travis|linux> u don't need it
[08:23] <travis|linux> just a sec
[08:23] <exceswater> i input in console sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run
[08:23] <exceswater> it runs
[08:23] <travis|linux> u don't need that
[08:23] <exceswater> and i says nvidia blah blah cannot run only as root
[08:23] <pd273> exceswater: it is better you use the nvdia driver you get from the repo
[08:24] <exceswater> and in adept... in manage repositories
[08:24] <noiesmo> exceswater, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common linux-386 linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[08:24] <exceswater> i cannot understand that universe multiverse thing
[08:24] <travis|linux> exceswater: sudo apt-get install nivida-glx
[08:24] <Hobbsee> !components
[08:24] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[08:25] <exceswater> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:25] <exceswater> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:25] <exceswater> is only available from another source
[08:25] <exceswater> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[08:25] <exceswater> why ?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> !info nvidia-glx dapper
[08:25] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8762+2.6.15.11-1 (dapper), Packaged size: 3963 kB, Installed size: 12240 kB
[08:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[08:26] <exceswater> cannot you remote ... log in to my pc ??
[08:26] <exceswater> :D
[08:26] <pd273> exceswater: you might have to add multiverse to your repository for this you can use this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:26] <exceswater> that is the problem
[08:26] <exceswater> what should be there ?
[08:26] <exceswater> universe
[08:26] <exceswater> multiverse ?
[08:26] <exceswater> i dunno
[08:26] <pd273> and multiverse
[08:26] <noiesmo> add both
[08:27] <Hobbsee> exceswater: pastebin your sources.list?
[08:28] <TheHighChild> How can I add apps to my KDE startup?
[08:28] <defrysk> good morning Hobbsee and the other 232
[08:28] <chavo> TheHighChild, .kde/Autostart or Go- Autostart in konq
[08:28] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:28] <betty> hi
[08:29] <emonkeylap> lol hi defrysk
[08:29] <exceswater> for now
[08:29] <exceswater> i added universe multiverse to all there
[08:29] <exceswater> and i hit apply
[08:29] <exceswater> and fetch updates
[08:29] <exceswater> :D
[08:29] <exceswater> hope it works now
[08:29] <exceswater> hi defrysk
[08:29] <pd273> it will :)
[08:30] <exceswater> :D
[08:30] <exceswater> hehe
[08:30] <exceswater> now i look in that list
[08:30] <exceswater> in the filter i add : nvidia
[08:30] <exceswater> i see nvidia glx
[08:30] <exceswater> but when i "reauest install" nothing happens
[08:30] <exceswater> :D
[08:31] <TheHighChild> chavo: Sorry for being a noob but what exactly do I type into Konq?
[08:31] <exceswater> sorry - request
[08:32] <kunjan> hey guys
[08:33] <emonkeylap> exceswater, do apply again
[08:33] <defrysk> TheHighChild, the way I made an autostart in kde is make a file autorun in .kde/Autostart
[08:33] <kunjan> quick question.. how do i check the current upload speed on eth0 from text mode?
[08:33] <emonkeylap> the button with the great green tick
[08:33] <aib> i have an old laptop with a 40gb hdd that the bios does not recognize. kubuntu will only let me make a parition that is 2.6gb, but that is not small enough, so i get grub error 18, which means that it can't find the kernel on the disk. how can i solve this problem?
[08:33] <chavo> TheHighChild, sorry I forgot kubuntu removed the GO item from the menu, just type ~/.kde in the addressbar
[08:33] <TheHighChild> defrysk: Ok, I am doing that now. What about the apps that start up with it by default, is there a place to view them?
[08:34] <defrysk> what progs start up by default ?
[08:34] <travis|linux> aib: hard drive overlay
[08:34] <chavo> TheHighChild, noapps start up by default
[08:35] <chavo> TheHighChild, kde does save your session when you log out
[08:35] <defrysk> TheHighChild, do 'kate .kde/Autostart/autorun' without the '
[08:35] <travis|linux> aib: released by all the major hard drive companies to deal with that specific issue
[08:35] <TheHighChild> my klipper and kerry beagle and korg daemin and some other stuff all start at start
[08:35] <chavo> oh you can disable those by right clicking the icons
[08:35] <defrysk> TheHighChild, done that ?
[08:36] <TheHighChild> yeah.
[08:36] <aib> interesting
[08:36] <emonkeylap> exceswater, it works?
[08:36] <defrysk> put apps in there like so : /usr/bin/kopete
[08:36] <TheHighChild> chavo: They don't bother me. I've just never used them. Wasn't sure why they started up.
[08:36] <defrysk> TheHighChild, got that ?
[08:36] <exceswater> nope
[08:36] <TheHighChild> defrysk: Yes, sorry, forgot to use the name
[08:37] <exceswater> i have to shoot myself for being such a noob
[08:37] <chavo> TheHighChild, they are started by the system. /usr/share/autostart
[08:37] <defrysk> chavo, shut up please
[08:37] <exceswater> i will make a printscreen with "repositories"
[08:37] <chavo> defrysk, I won't
[08:37] <defrysk> then I wil
[08:37] <chavo> are you listening to what he is asking?
[08:37] <defrysk> TheHighChild, chave wil help you further
[08:38] <TheHighChild> defrysk: do I just add app names to this file?
[08:38] <emonkeylap> exceswater, paste your sources.list into pastebin.com
[08:38] <aib> i think http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/drivers/discwiz.html is the one for my disk. but it's a dos floppy. can i boot to that without windows installed?
[08:38] <exceswater> a friend of me says something about kernel source
[08:38] <defrysk> TheHighChild, ask chavo
[08:38] <exceswater> he says i cannot install that driver without that
[08:38] <exceswater> emonkeylap:  i am noob
[08:38] <Hobbsee> exceswater: open /etc/apt/sources.list and copy and paste into pastebin.com
[08:38] <exceswater> so noob
[08:38] <TheHighChild> defrysk: lol, thanks for your help
[08:38] <emonkeylap> exceswater, do you have klicked on the button with the big green tick?
[08:38] <exceswater> noobest :D
[08:39] <exceswater> i cannot
[08:39] <emonkeylap> exceswater, after you've requetsted the install?
[08:39] <exceswater> only apply
[08:39] <Hobbsee> defrysk: chavo
[08:39] <Hobbsee> be nice please :)
[08:39] <exceswater> in the bottom of the page
[08:39] <chavo> defrysk, I think he was asking us both differnt things man, ease up
[08:39] <defrysk> TheHighChild, after adding apps chmod + x .kde/Autostart/autorun
[08:39] <exceswater> when i request install on nvidia glx
[08:39] <exceswater> nothing changes :d
[08:39] <defrysk> TheHighChild, then its done
[08:40] <defrysk> you can always add more apps to that file later
[08:40] <defrysk> save the file btw
[08:40] <emonkeylap> apply in the bottom of the page? *confused*
[08:40] <TheHighChild> defrysk: ok, thanks. What is the difference between putting them in there and in '/usr/share/autostart'?
[08:40] <emonkeylap> exceswater, if you want we can do that in the konsole, k?
[08:40] <betty> I have a question
[08:40] <TheHighChild> defrysk: nvm, i don't even have that
[08:41] <exceswater> k
[08:41] <exceswater> i know how to type
[08:41] <defrysk> TheHighChild, Autostart is a folder
[08:41] <exceswater> tell me what to type :d
[08:41] <exceswater> there is no spoon
[08:41] <Hobbsee> TheHighChild: in /usr/share they will start for all users.  in ~./kde/Autostart, they'll start for that user only
[08:41] <chavo> TheHighChild, /usr/share/autostart is for kde .desktop files and is sytem wide
[08:41] <betty> on my bios I have something called a wake on onBoard LAN. Does that do wake on the internet?
[08:41] <emonkeylap> exceswater, open a konsole and type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:41] <sobersabre> hi guys. i can't make my lcd monitor to work as i want. i want it to refresh at 75khz, but it works at 60.
[08:41] <betty> there's also one called wake on lan. I do know what that one does
[08:41] <sobersabre> i mean hz
[08:41] <emonkeylap> exceswater, Close Adept bevore doing that in the console
[08:42] <TheHighChild> chavo: defrysk: Awesome, thanks a lot for the help. You've both been awesome.
[08:42] <exceswater> it does something
[08:42] <exceswater> but in the end...
[08:42] <sobersabre> i have taken monitor's manual and entered the Vert and Horiz sync rates.
[08:42] <defrysk> chavo, sorry for my grumpyness , still early here ;p
[08:42] <sobersabre> of the mode I want.
[08:42] <exceswater> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:42] <exceswater> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:42] <exceswater> is only available from another source
[08:42] <exceswater> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[08:42] <noiesmo> exceswater, still doesnt have universe and multiverse
[08:42] <sobersabre> the problem is it is not enough.
[08:43] <chavo> defrysk, it's always early here :)
[08:43] <defrysk> hehe
[08:43] <sobersabre> I am using nvidia driver.
[08:43] <emonkeylap> exceswater, ok then we've to check your sources.list
[08:43] <exceswater> ok
[08:43] <exceswater> how
[08:43] <chavo> sobersabre, I believe LCD can only refresh at 60HZ
[08:43] <defrysk> pastebin it
[08:43] <emonkeylap> exceswater, send me your sources.list in a query
[08:43] <exceswater> aaa
[08:43] <exceswater> more specific please
[08:43] <exceswater> :d
[08:43] <chavo> yeah his sources.list must be messed up
[08:43] <exceswater> where i find this
[08:44] <sobersabre> chavo: you should go to chirch/synagogue/mosk
[08:44] <sobersabre> church
[08:44] <betty> hi
[08:44] <noiesmo> exceswater, put them here http://pastebin.com/
[08:44] <chavo> sobersabre, ?
[08:44] <sobersabre> if you believe...
[08:44] <defrysk> kubuntu.pastebin.com even to make it more official
[08:44] <sobersabre> i am rtfming, and the manual of the monitor says: 75Hz
[08:44] <TheHighChild> If I add apps to my startup and they are in a saved session, will there be two instances or will it be smart and take the saved session?
[08:44] <TheHighChild> *are also in a saved session
[08:45] <sobersabre> chavo: more than this, I did this before and it worked at 75Hz
[08:45] <sobersabre> I maybe it has to do with pixel clock settings...
[08:45] <defrysk> TheHighChild, I think 2
[08:45] <defrysk> but not sure
[08:45] <TheHighChild> defrysk: alright, I'll be back and let you know
[08:45] <defrysk> k
[08:46] <noiesmo> exceswater, like this deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[08:48] <betty> I'm just kinda wondering what wake on onBoard lan does
[08:48] <travis|linux> wakes the computer when there is lan activity ?
[08:49] <betty> so if I am someplace else and I do a wake on onboard lan will the computer start and become functional?
[08:49] <noiesmo> exceswater, heres mine http://pastebin.com/708032
[08:49] <noiesmo> gota go
[08:50] <travis|linux> betty: don't believe so.. I think it wakes the computer from a suspended mode.. when its on yet "asleep"
[08:51] <TheHighChild> Ok, It doesn't seem to open up a second instance (x restart and reboot) However, it opens up the autorun file in kate, which I don't use. I use nano. pretty weird
[08:51] <betty> So can I turn on my computer from the internet/
[08:52] <travis|linux> no
[08:52] <betty> let's say I have this real important file on my computer here and it's off but I want to get the file
[08:52] <chavo> betty, I thinks it more used for large lans, like in corporations
[08:52] <betty> so that wouldn't work
[08:52] <TheHighChild> defrysk: Actually, I don't think that autorun worked.
[08:53] <defrysk> TheHighChild, what executables did you put in autorun ?
[08:53] <betty> you know I was just wondering does anyone here have a A (unsidedown L) i A?
[08:54] <TheHighChild> defrysk: What format should I be using? I just added. konversation, gaim, konsole, and kontact. as spelled here but on separate lines
[08:54] <chavo> TheHighChild, did you mark it executable?
[08:54] <betty> has blue lights in the front
[08:55] <defrysk> TheHighChild, chmod +x the file ?
[08:55] <TheHighChild> defrysk: chavo: yes I did -rwxr--r-- 1 dparker dparker 34 2006-06-14 02:47 autorun
[08:56] <defrysk> TheHighChild, it works without issues here so....
[08:56] <defrysk> dunno
[08:56] <TheHighChild> defrysk: chavo It's not a big deal guys. I appreciate your time and help.
[08:56] <defrysk> TheHighChild, otherwise try chavo's systemwide way
[08:57] <TheHighChild> What is with the appname.desktop convention? Is that special?
[08:58] <TheHighChild> lol, sorry. I'm a noob with aspirations of 1337gevity
[08:58] <chavo> TheHighChild, or you can also drag icons off the menu into the folder
[08:58] <betty> I was just wondering in Konversation is there a way to make it so that it dosen't flood when I type a lot of actions like pasting a textfile to the chatwindow?
[08:58] <travis|linux> betty: use pastebin
[08:58] <chavo> betty, it should warn you if you paste a large text
[08:58] <chavo> but you shouldn't be pasting anyway
[08:59] <betty> I was just wondering that because I was looking in the setup and I didn't see anywhere where I could set that I do know that mIRC has some feature like that
[08:59] <defrysk> !tell betty about pastebin
[08:59] <betty> well I mean not in here but in my channel
[08:59] <betty> I don
[08:59] <zinj> Can I please ask a Gnome question?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> betty: settings, config konv, warnings
[08:59] <Hobbsee> tick the one you want
[08:59] <betty> 't really want to use pastebin I've never been able to figure that out
[08:59] <Hobbsee> zinj: better to ask in #ubuntu
[08:59] <chavo> betty, konversation warns me if I paste large text
[08:59] <Hobbsee> betty: do you know how to copy and paste text?
[09:00] <betty> I right click the text and select copy and then select the chat window and select paste
[09:00] <Hobbsee> betty: right
[09:00] <Hobbsee> betty: well, when you go to pastebin.com, you hit paste in there, and then hit send
[09:00] <betty> but if I do that too much then irc kicks me out cause I flooded the chat window
[09:01] <betty> I know but it's just too much of a hastle there's too many steps needed
[09:01] <betty> like don't I have to register a account?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> betty: exactly, that's why you use the pastebin.  then you just copy the address in the bar, and give us the address, not the entire long paste
[09:01] <Hobbsee> betty: no, not at all.   just copy text, paste text, hit send, copy URL, give us the url
[09:02] <defrysk> Hobbsee, she want to be able to paste large txt to other channels than tis one
[09:02] <defrysk> and konversation refuses this
[09:02] <Hobbsee> defrysk: yeah, pastebin works for that too...
[09:02] <betty> So I can hit a button on patebin and it will send you the text?
[09:02] <defrysk> Hobbsee, YEAH HEHE
[09:02] <Hobbsee> actually, chanserv refuses it...
[09:02] <Hobbsee> betty: no, it'll give you a link, you copy the link, and you paste *that* in here
[09:03] <betty> what if I don't want anyone else to see the text I pasted
[09:03] <betty> like if it's a bank statement
[09:03] <Hobbsee> betty: private message them the link?
[09:03] <defrysk> betty, fyi there is always a channel #flood if you prefer that but its not used often anymore i think
[09:04] <Hobbsee> then you shouldnt be pasting that over IRC anyway
[09:04] <emonkeylap> maybe over email...
[09:04] <betty> well I mean like something personal
[09:04] <betty> but it's on irc I don't have email
[09:04] <betty> well wait I think someone may have answered my question let me go see.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> betty: there are many pastebins, and many people pasting to them each time - it's kinda like imageshack, if you've ever used that - the sheer number that go through means that the chance of your particular one being found is close to nil.
[09:05] <nnn0> betty, nothing is personal on the net :)
[09:05] <EvilIdler> The more people who see any problems you paste, the more who can help
[09:05] <nnn0> betty, it's liek sending postcards
[09:06] <nnn0> like even
[09:06] <travis|linux> to put private info on IRC is plain stupid betty
[09:06] <travis|linux> buy a billboard too while u are at it
[09:06] <defrysk> lol
[09:06] <defrysk> private irc lol
[09:06] <Hobbsee> better to encrypt anything like that
[09:07] <betty> ok I'll try pastebin thanks
[09:08] <betty> Thanks Hobbsee
[09:16] <betty> I have a friend who is into building radios for emergencies. He built this demonstration model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:D-StarID-800HGrabAndGoKit.jpg to show how D-Star HAM radio can be used when there is a emergency such as the fires in San Diego county. So if you see a VE7TKO give him your support. he's a great and wonderful man.
[09:19] <exceswater> one last question
[09:19] <exceswater> i have video drivers installed
[09:19] <exceswater> but when i run ppracer
[09:19] <exceswater> it moves kinda slow
[09:19] <exceswater> real slow
[09:19] <exceswater> even in menu
[09:19] <exceswater> why ?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> exceswater: er, is that using opengl?
[09:20] <exceswater> i think so
[09:20] <exceswater> it planet penguin racer
[09:21] <exceswater> it's
[09:21] <kimec> hiQ
[09:21] <kimec> hi!
[09:22] <exceswater> what is wrong Hobbsee
[09:22] <betty> I have a question
[09:23] <kimec> can somebody help me with samba(on kubuntu dapper drake 6.06 RC)
[09:23] <kimec> please
[09:23] <defrysk> exceswater, glxinfo | grep direct
[09:24] <Hobbsee> exceswater: i *dont* know - i was getting that and supertux confused
[09:24] <betty> I have this game called planet penguin racer. When I run it the program turns green (or blue I forget). and I try to close it with ctrl+alt+esc but that dosen't work. Is there anyway to close down programs like that or even log out instead of turning off the computer and on again because I know that's bad to do that many times
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:25] <exceswater> that is what is sayt defrysk
[09:25] <defrysk> exceswater, no drivers installed properly then
[09:25] <Hobbsee> exceswater: dont paste!
[09:25] <exceswater> ok
[09:25] <exceswater> sorry
[09:25] <exceswater> not pasting again here
[09:25] <exceswater> :D
[09:25] <exceswater> again drivers
[09:26] <exceswater> i installed nvidia
[09:26] <exceswater> what should i do more
[09:26] <Hobbsee> and you shoul docpy *all* of what the command was - not just some of it
[09:26] <defrysk> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[09:26] <chavo> exceswater, yeah you have to tell x to load them
[09:26] <defrysk> end restart x
[09:26] <defrysk> time to xresise
[09:26] <defrysk> later all
[09:26] <exceswater> how to restart x
[09:27] <kimec> Hi guys, I really need to help with that samba, isn't this supposed to be kind of support channel?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> exceswater: ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:27] <chavo> exceswater, log out and then hit ctrl-alt-backsapce
[09:27] <chavo> hopefully it'll restart :)
[09:27] <betty> is there a quick way to logout?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> betty: either use xkill (ctrl+escape), or ctrl+alt+f1, killall ppracer
[09:28] <exceswater> betty:
[09:28] <exceswater> you can restart by pressing CTRL-ALT-Backspace
[09:28] <exceswater> i just found out
[09:28] <exceswater> :d
[09:29] <exceswater> my first help on kubuntu :d
[09:29] <betty> Dosen't that just reboot?
[09:29] <Desh> Ok, I am trying to open up a game, Ragnarok Online, with Wine, but all I see is a small windows and then boom, it vanishes, any clues as to why and how I could fix this?
[09:29] <TheHighChild> any of you folks use VMware?
[09:30] <BazziR> TheHighChild aye
[09:30] <notech> betty: just restarts X
[09:30] <johnflux> Desh: #wine
[09:30] <Hobbsee> TheHighChild: no, but i'd like to at some point
[09:30] <TheHighChild> BazziR: Would you be able to help troubleshoot an ethernet problem ?
[09:30] <BazziR> if I can :)
[09:30] <kane_> kimec: you need to install samba ?
[09:30] <notech> thats #winehq
[09:30] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks.
[09:31] <kimec> kane_: no. I have  samba set to share level and yet I cannot access to shares, authentification is needed
[09:31] <BazziR> Desh: did you try wine 0.9.15 yet?
[09:31] <Desh> Think so.
[09:31] <Desh> I have the newest one from the reps.
[09:31] <kimec> kane_: just need to fix smb.conf or so
[09:31] <BazziR> ubuntu reps or wine reps?
[09:31] <betty> Does kubuntu update itself?
[09:32] <kane_> kimec: well, i dont have any idea really ... but there is a howto on it on howtoforge.com
[09:32] <kane_> betty: no .,.. you have to tell it to update itself
[09:32] <betty> I seem to remember seeing a yellow icon that says checking for updates or something but I haven't seen that since
[09:32] <notech> betty: or set a cron job to do it
[09:32] <TheHighChild> BazziR: when I try to install a VM, I get an Ethernet error. Any ideas of what to look for? I've tried about 10 installs using all the different options but I get an error
[09:33] <kane_> betty: look in the system tray ... if there are updates, it will show you something like a road-sign
[09:33] <kimec> kane_: i'm ussing 6.06 Rc so I was wandering whether it was kind of common issue or so, anyway thx
[09:33] <BazziR> TheHighChild: what kind of error?
[09:33] <betty> how do I know if I have the latest update?
[09:33] <TheHighChild> BazziR:
[09:33] <TheHighChild> Could not open /dev/vmnet8: No such file or directory
[09:33] <TheHighChild> Virtual device Ethernet0 will start disconnected.
[09:33] <kane_> betty: did you look in the system tray ?
[09:33] <chavo> betty, If there's no icon then you have the latest
[09:33] <TheHighChild> sorry about that
[09:33] <chavo> assuming you have dapper already
[09:34] <BazziR> oh thats weird
[09:34] <BazziR> what version of vmware do you have?
[09:34] <betty> well there's a glass, a 12:33 am a notepad and blue pan and a 1234. But I don't see any roadsign
[09:34] <TheHighChild> BazziR: How do I setup a virtual connection?
[09:34] <betty> I guess there's no way to check
[09:34] <TheHighChild> BazziR: not sure, one sex
[09:34] <TheHighChild> sec
[09:34] <kane_> betty: use adept
[09:35] <TheHighChild> BazziR: VMware Server 1.0.0
[09:35] <BazziR> hmmm
[09:35] <kane_> betty: K-> System -> Adept (Package Manager)
[09:35] <BazziR> can't help you, it worked for me out of the box
[09:36] <kane_> betty: then, in the menu, select Adept -> Fetch Updates
[09:36] <betty> Darn I need a password
[09:36] <kane_> betty: use your password
[09:36] <kane_> betty: the same password you used to loin
[09:37] <kane_> login
[09:37] <betty> I don't think I can
[09:37] <kane_> betty: yep, you can
[09:38] <TheHighChild> BazziR: Ok man, thanks for trying
[09:40] <exceswater> thank you guys
[09:41] <exceswater> now i have ppracer working
[09:41] <exceswater> :d
[09:41] <exceswater> and warsow
[09:41] <exceswater> any1 knows another cool game for linux that is free ?
[09:41] <chavo> :)
[09:41] <betty> Is there anyway to have the computer poweron at a particular time?
[09:41] <chavo> exceswater, what card do you have?
[09:41] <kane_> betty: probably many ways
[09:41] <betty> I'll play you chess exceswater
[09:41] <exceswater> nvidia geforce 4 mx 440
[09:41] <betty> How would I do that
[09:41] <exceswater> that's my older computer
[09:42] <exceswater> from the office
[09:42] <betty> I'm the chess master
[09:42] <exceswater> and i want free thing here because i don't wanna have problems
[09:42] <exceswater> ;d
[09:42] <TheHighChild> exceswater: Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
[09:42] <betty> oh I'm using a built in video card and each time I try to run tux racer the game crashes
[09:42] <chavo> exceswater, yeah ET would run at lower res on that card
[09:43] <chavo> et is pretty much the only game I play
[09:43] <TheHighChild> chavo: What servers? My only game as well. I've sold my soul to it
[09:43] <betty> I seem to remember playing Duke3D on my 486 and it didn't do that. It was only slow in the outside levels that was it
[09:43] <chavo> I pretty much stick to evilsmurfs servers, they are a lot of fun
[09:44] <exceswater> where i can find it ?
[09:44] <chavo> and I get great ping
[09:44] <exceswater> i like wolfenstein
[09:44] <exceswater> it was one of my first nice games... ooooh goood old times
[09:45] <chavo> exceswater, hold on I'll find you a link
[09:45] <betty> I'm getting tired
[09:45] <TheHighChild> exceswater: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-ENTERTAINMENT/FPS/Wolfenstein-Enemy-Territory-3948.shtml
[09:45] <exceswater> 10x
[09:45] <chavo> there ya go
[09:45] <exceswater> i will install it right after download
[09:45] <exceswater> :d
[09:45] <exceswater> 10x
[09:45] <betty> Is there a Sims 2 for linux?
[09:45] <chavo> It's the best game and it's free, only like 250Mb download too
[09:45] <TheHighChild> exceswater: Use this as a guide, NOT step by step. They use a different version in the example http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5246
[09:46] <TheHighChild> exceswater: Understand that it's online only. There is no real game.
[09:46] <exceswater> it i a demo
[09:46] <exceswater> :D
[09:46] <exceswater> is a demo ?
[09:46] <TheHighChild> exceswater: no it isn't
[09:46] <exceswater> aaa
[09:46] <chavo> no it's the full game
[09:46] <exceswater> it's online
[09:46] <TheHighChild> yes
[09:46] <exceswater> like counter :D
[09:46] <chavo> but multiplayer only
[09:46] <betty> Enemy Territory!
[09:46] <TheHighChild> yes!
[09:47] <chavo> :)
[09:47] <betty> I'm so good at that game
[09:47] <hangfire> ET is low quality, try americas army if you want a quality free FPS
[09:47] <exceswater> it says about et 1.6 DEMO
[09:47] <Ertain> Crap, I can't seem to use Adept.  It says that another program is using the database.
[09:47] <chavo> hangfire, low quality how?
[09:47] <TheHighChild> ET is banging and it'll work on your card exceswater
[09:47] <exceswater> but
[09:47] <exceswater> it says it's demo
[09:47] <betty> once there was like 12 guys that were all swarming the spawn and nobody could get out so I setoff a bazooka and blasted every one of the 12 guys down
[09:48] <hangfire> it just is, it has terrible physics and shooting graphics
[09:48] <travis|linux> looks awesome to me
[09:48] <TheHighChild> exceswater: Yes but it isn't.
[09:48] <betty> totally won
[09:48] <travis|linux> I'm downloading :)
[09:48] <fek> moin
[09:48] <exceswater> demo ... 258 M
[09:48] <chavo> hangfire, yeah but it's fun
[09:48] <TheHighChild> exceswater: I could go into the history of the game, but I'll save you the time. IT was going to be a full version but went awry, not it's free
[09:48] <travis|linux> what is the best linux first person shooter game??
[09:48] <betty> is there 1/2 life for Linux?
[09:48] <TheHighChild> travis|linux: ET
[09:48] <TheHighChild> betty: THrough cedega or wine
[09:49] <chavo> AA is more like work
[09:49] <hangfire> its not fun because you cant shoot anyone at long distance, its a mindless shooter where you spawn every 30 seconds
[09:49] <betty> What's 1/2 a life?
[09:49] <exceswater> ok
[09:49] <exceswater> 10x
[09:49] <Ertain> Half life isn't for Linux.
[09:49] <TheHighChild> mindless shooter? Sounds like a *gasp* game?
[09:49] <exceswater> it;s only the name
[09:49] <exceswater> :D
[09:49] <betty> I never got that. Some curve or something and I think it's used in carbon 14 or something
[09:49] <Ertain> Or rather, Valve hasn't ported Half Life over to Linux.  Darn shame.
[09:49] <betty> I thought Valve was totally into linux
[09:50] <betty> or is that Epic?
[09:50] <Ertain> Anyway, I just started using Kubuntu.  I'm trying to use Adept, but it keeps saying that the pack database is being used by some other program.
[09:50] <betty> I know sierra makes buggy games
[09:50] <TheHighChild> exceswater: It's a fully opensource game, even the engine (quake 3) AND it's not made by the US military to recruit you ;)
[09:50] <chunLaptop> half life can be run on linux
[09:50] <travis|linux> Ertain: do u have 2 copies of it open?
[09:50] <chavo> a 5 year old game that still has jam packed servers everywhere must really be lame
[09:50] <exceswater> :d
[09:50] <exceswater> hehe
[09:51] <exceswater> thanks guys
[09:51] <hangfire> has anyone tried the gl-117 flight sim on ubuntu?
[09:51] <exceswater> just added to download
[09:51] <exceswater> i gotta run now
[09:51] <exceswater> i have to work sometimes
[09:51] <exceswater> but i really hate it ":d
[09:51] <chavo> work?
[09:51] <exceswater> aham
[09:51] <betty> I tried playing some game I think it was moon lander by Sierra and when I was jetting around one of those frigits the whole screen crashed
[09:51] <Ertain> travis|linux: no.  I just started my computer.  I opened it and it said that.
[09:51] <exceswater> is something that some of us are obliged to do :D
[09:52] <exceswater> bye bye for now
[09:52] <chavo> yeah I gotta find a job soon myseld
[09:52] <chavo> bye exceswater
[09:52] <exceswater> and thanks for help guys
[09:52] <exceswater> :d
[09:52] <TheHighChild> my job sucks. I'm a tape monkey
[09:52] <betty> what is your job?
[09:52] <betty> I'm a notary so I don't really work
[09:53] <chavo> I haven't had a real job for a while. I play guitar in a band
[09:53] <betty> that would be fun
[09:53] <travis|linux> I do fixed wireless internet
[09:53] <TheHighChild> betty: Classified as an Operator but I do a lot more than that would usually indicate
[09:53] <betty> you know a fun job I think would be a game tester
[09:53] <chavo> yes that would be fun
[09:54] <TheHighChild> Until you have to test some lame shiat like WoW
[09:54] <betty> well
[09:54] <betty> then you just mine or something
[09:54] <betty> I don
[09:54] <betty> 't really play games actually that much
[09:54] <betty> I played WoW once
[09:55] <betty> I play runescape
[09:55] <betty> if anyone plays runescape I'm we6jbo
[09:55] <Ertain> Btw, I usually have to change to root.  Is there a way I can automate that without having to type in "sudo" or "kdesu" a lot?
[09:55] <betty> (Same as my callsign)
[09:55] <travis|linux> sudo -i
[09:55] <travis|linux> that will give you a root login
[09:56] <betty> I don't even know what the password to root is
[09:56] <travis|linux> your password
[09:56] <betty> is that bad?
[09:56] <travis|linux> there is only 1 password
[09:56] <betty> well I tried it but it didn't work
[09:56] <Ertain> I need to, since I'll be doing that a lot.  And I'm the only guy using this computer.
[09:57] <betty> sudo works
[09:57] <betty> but logging in as root I don't know
[09:57] <travis|linux> sudo -i
[09:57] <Ertain> I'll try that then.
[09:58] <betty> I don't want to break the system though
[09:58] <betty> too complex
[09:59] <travis|linux> not all that complex
[09:59] <betty> what would I do if it broke and I didn't know how to fix it?
[09:59] <travis|linux> then don't log in as root
[10:00] <Ertain> So how the heck am I suppose to use Adept?  I can't merely choose it from the menu listing, since for some strange reason it says that another process is using the database, or that I don't have the right privilages.
[10:00] <travis|linux> Ertain: did u enter in the correct password?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Ertain: use kdesu adept?
[10:00] <Ertain> I'll try that.
[10:01] <Ertain> Nope, still says the database is locked.
[10:02] <Ertain> Okay, so how does one "unlock" it?
[10:03] <travis|linux> is apt-get installing something right now?
[10:03] <TheHighChild> BazziR: Hey, I think my trouble was a mis-made selection in the installation. Thanks again for your time and help
[10:04] <travis|linux> Ertain: are updates downloading?
[10:04] <chavo> TheHighChild, it's working now?
[10:04] <Ertain> Nothing is updating?
[10:04] <Ertain> Er, nothing is updating.
[10:05] <TheHighChild> chavo: The VMware? Not sure but I've gotten additional options in thsi install
[10:05] <chavo> oh ok
[10:09] <Ertain> Okay, I was able to fix the database problem.  Btw, is there a way to skip typing in my password when starting up Adept?
[10:11] <chavo> Ertain, man sudoers
[10:11] <hangfire> does anyone know how I log in my password automatically in Konversation IRC client? In Settings>Identitys I see a box that says service, but I dont know what to put in there
[10:11] <betty> hey guys
[10:11] <Ertain> I was wondering about that a few minutes ago, hangfire.  I wonder how to do that, too.
[10:11] <chavo> hangfire, put in nickserv
[10:12] <betty> It was a lot of fun chatting with you and thanks for helping me. I'm going to go to bed because I'm awefully sleepy so goodnight and see you in the morning
[10:12] <chavo> goodnight betty
[10:12] <hangfire> ok Ill try that chavo
[10:12] <hangfire> and now for a restart
[10:12] <Hobbsee> hangfire: yeah, f2, edit the server you want, type the password in the password box, hit okay
[10:13] <hangfire> f2 edit the server?
[10:13] <hangfire> oh I see
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hangfire: becaues you're more likely to have multiple servers on the same identity, rather than the other way around
[10:15] <TheHighChild> chavo: so far so good. Didn't get the errors this time.
[10:15] <TheHighChild> chavo: Or is that not what you were asking me about
[10:16] <chavo> TheHighChild, just curious as I've never had a problem with vmware
[10:17] <TheHighChild> chavo: I think I chose no for networking. I was following a guide and it said to select the defaults, well the default for networking was 'no' so...yeah
[10:17] <TheHighChild> chavo: You run OSX on it?
[10:17] <chavo> no
[10:19] <cox377> Hey all.. for some reason.. when i get an system msg pop up in the buttom right hand corner i can never get rid of the damn thing
[10:19] <cox377> does anyone have any ideas?
[10:20] <stephenford> hi guys
[10:20] <cox377> hiya
[10:21] <hangfire> so when I edit the servers in Konversation, do I use irc.freenode.net or NickServ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hangfire: server stays the same
[10:21] <hangfire> ok, thanks Hobbsee
[10:22] <stephenford> need a bit of help installing kubuntu on an omnibook 500
[10:22] <stephenford> i dont think its got enough ram to boot the kernal for the live dvd
[10:23] <Hobbsee> stephenford: you can use the alternate cd
[10:23] <Hobbsee> which is just an install cd
[10:23] <stephenford> surly thats on the dvd tho
[10:23] <stephenford> it took me ages to download :S
[10:24] <Hobbsee> er, it might be
[10:24] <_marco> hello everybody
[10:25] <_marco> I'm looking for a way to contact my kubuntu machine remote in graphical mode
[10:25] <_marco> does anyone have a idea how to set this up easily?
[10:26] <stephenford> :S looks like my laptop hasnt even been tested yet
[10:27] <stephenford> is 128mb of ram enough for the live cd?
[10:29] <spajus_> what is the common reason when kdesu fails to execute something? error message is "su returned with error"
[10:29] <stephenford> something like file system quite unexpectedly
[10:29] <stephenford> or kde desktop enviroment failed
[10:31] <stephenford> i tell you what i've installed this desktop with the dvd but i'll chaeck the dvd for defects anyway and get back too you
[10:33] <cox377> has anyone managed to share folders using Kubuntu?
[10:34] <Ertain> I've been looking over the manual for the "sudoers" stuff and man, that's a lot to swallow for simply not wanting to type in my password while wanting to use Adept.
[10:34] <cox377> haha
[10:36] <Ertain> Has anyone tried tackling "sudoers"?
[10:36] <hangfire> what is that a bash command?
[10:37] <scheuri> hi all
[10:37] <Ertain> It's the files which say who logs in as who.  Specifically I'm trying to use Adept without having to type in my password.
[10:38] <hangfire> well cant you change the file attributes of the program with chmod?
[10:39] <lowtech> Ertain: this may help. http://www.linux-corner.info/sudo.html
[10:39] <cox377> I'm unders sytem settings and it's tell me that i need to be under root to change folder share option.. i dont have a root accounbt?
[10:39] <hangfire> or maybe just use the program while in root
[10:40] <exceswater> back
[10:40] <exceswater> :d
[10:40] <cox377unreal> haha
[10:40] <cox377unreal> cox377unreal??
[10:40] <cox377unreal> is that because i'm asking the most stupid of questions?
[10:40] <hangfire> cox, you have to have a root account
[10:40] <cox377unreal> is that the account that i can modify everything?
[10:41] <hangfire> yes
[10:41] <cox377unreal> I'm under that account then
[10:41] <chavo> Ertain, use visudo to edit your sudoers
[10:41] <lowtech> the user is 'root'?
[10:41] <cox377unreal> i only have one account
[10:41] <cox377unreal> and that isnt named root
[10:42] <hangfire> no, you have another account named root
[10:42] <cox377unreal> Ummm
[10:42] <chavo> Ertain, username ALL= /usr/bin/adept     , something like that
[10:42] <chavo> but I'm not positive
[10:42] <hangfire> you just cant have user accounts, you have to have a root account
[10:42] <lowtech> believe you need to create a 'root' account
[10:43] <hangfire> *cant have just user accounts
[10:43] <cox377unreal> fire, i never set a password for the root account
[10:43] <cox377unreal> i just try logging in as root using the only password i know and it fails
[10:43] <visik7> obviously
[10:43] <visik7> sudo -i
[10:43] <visik7> !sudo
[10:43] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:44] <hangfire> well try using root as your password
[10:44] <cox377unreal> when i log in under sudo -i i use my password which lets me in.. but when i go back to the splash screen it doesnt let me log in
[10:44] <ArmedGeek> ubuntu makes use of sudo, there is *rarely* a need to use the root account
[10:44] <hangfire> (the word root)
[10:44] <ArmedGeek> it is disabled by default on ubuntu
[10:45] <ArmedGeek> the default root account on ubuntu has no password
[10:45] <cox377unreal> i tried no password and that didnt work either
[10:45] <ArmedGeek> an account without a password is disabled
[10:45] <cox377unreal> but when i do sudo -i under terminal i enter the password i know and it works
[10:45] <ArmedGeek> you *cant* log into root without a password
[10:46] <ArmedGeek> god forbid anybody reads *anything*
[10:46] <Ertain> How can I mount a removeable hard drive?  Btw, I think it's parallel port.
[10:49] <cox377unreal> think i've worked it out
[11:08] <cox377> right.. well i got into the root account, thanks for the link
[11:08] <cox377> but.. i still cant set up network shares
[11:08] <cox377> basically trying to get folders that i can share on my network
[11:12] <cox377> Kool... should always learn to save firewall settings first
[11:12] <cox377> ; )
[11:12] <pd273> Hi cox377
[11:12] <pd273> did you get guarddog to work
[11:13] <cox377> Mate.. i never managed to get it installed.. got firestarter installed but it blocked my access all the time so i have to turn it off
[11:13] <pd273> thats a problem I had with guarddog too, but after setting it to my likings things started working
[11:14] <pd273> I have it running now :)
[11:14] <cox377> thing is.. the other linux system that i set up is for my mom. Shes now been using it for about a week and is fine.. 2 things i need to get done is a visable firewall and get a client to check her hotmail emails
[11:14] <cox377> which one u running 273?
[11:14] <bulltitan> :D there's another flavor!!!!
[11:14] <pd273> am running guarddog
[11:14] <pd273> for my personal mails am using thunderbird
[11:15] <cox377> how did u get guarddog installed?
[11:15] <bulltitan> nubuntu :P what is it for this time
[11:15] <pd273> apt-get install guarddog
[11:15] <cox377> WTF
[11:16] <cox377> it actually worked this time
[11:16] <pd273> if you have not setup your repositories properly you should read this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:16] <pd273> cool
[11:16] <pd273> so its working
[11:16] <cox377> yeh basically.. the reason i was asking for a firewall is because this extention for TB to get hotmail working requires three ports open so i thought if i opened them manually it might work
[11:16] <pd273> all these front ends utilise iptables
[11:16] <cox377> it's downloading yeh
[11:16] <cox377> this extention app shows if the ports are open or not
[11:16] <pd273> actually the firewall only creates holes for you
[11:17] <pd273> did you get hotmail to work
[11:17] <cox377> Nah.. the ports seem to be failing to open
[11:17] <cox377> by the way.. when installing gaurddog it's saying this
[11:17] <cox377> Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist
[11:17] <pd273> no probs
[11:17] <pd273> contunue
[11:17] <cox377> well it just kinda ended
[11:18] <cox377> :d
[11:18] <cox377> : )
[11:18] <cox377> Bingo.. nice one mate..
[11:18] <pd273> it will ask you to do the settings, make sure you do a reading of ow to work with guarddog first, or else you will have the same problem of it blocking everything
[11:18] <pd273> it has good gui, you can also add custom ports to it, for example your hotmail thing
[11:19] <cox377> i did play around with it before.. on a live mepis CD>. i think i remember how to oppen the ports etc
[11:19] <cox377> Yeh man.. cheers for that.. how i can spend so long trying to get it to instal
[11:19] <pd273> it should have been the repo problem initially
[11:19] <cox377> yeh
[11:20] <cox377> I'm running 2 boxes
[11:20] <cox377> windows and linux under a KVM havent even gone into the windows box in 4 days or so.. becoming quite comfortable with kubuntu..
[11:20] <samba-ldap> hi @all
[11:20] <pd273> good
[11:22] <tekNerd__> I LOVE KUBUNTU
[11:23] <cox377> lol
[11:23] <cox377> i just get my rez upto a suitable amount.. was attempting it last night
[11:24] <pd273> I saw this line on some website "Ubuntu Kubuntu we all Buntu for Ubuntu on our desktop"
[11:24] <pd273> :)
[11:24] <jpatrick> tekNerd__: welcome  to the club
[11:27] <RawSewage> tj9991,  what's ltsp
[11:27] <tj9991> linux terminal server project
[11:28] <samba-ldap> did anybody talk in german
[11:28] <RawSewage> No
[11:29] <cox377> 273, the ports are still showing errors under that entention, is there a command to see what ports are open
[11:30] <cox377> the ports are only the pop, IMAP and SMTP
[11:30] <samba-ldap> now, the i talk in englisch
[11:30] <samba-ldap> is ther anybody that kann helb me by an apt-get install script
[11:30] <cox377> what do u need to know?
[11:33] <mindspit> i use kde in ubuntu ... should i install a fresh kubuntu rather than updating ubuntu to kubuntu ?
[11:34] <chavo> mindspit, no I wouldn't
[11:37] <pd273> mindspit: if you do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, you will have a system as good as the original Kubuntu installation
[11:37] <pd273> so you have a good KDE setup now :)
[11:38] <mindspit> pd273 ok thanks
[11:38] <pd273> cox377: you can do $sudo netstat -pant to see if the ports are open
[11:39] <cox377> just one more thing, does guarddog block everything as default?
[11:39] <pd273> if you give apply with out any settings yes it does
[11:39] <mindspit> how can i configure my usb pc web camera ? it's a qcam 330 for notebook LDC mini cute
[11:39] <pd273> but in the  advanced tab you have an option for disable firewall
[11:39] <mindspit> i want step bu step guidance
[11:39] <|lostbyte|> How do i add the konsole fonts ?
[11:40] <pd273> just for info, there is a tool called as yakuake, it is a good console, it drops from top of the screen
[11:41] <cox377> 273.. yeh it's letting the current browseers operate.. but any new ones are being blocked
[11:41] <chavo> |lostbyte|, konsole uses the same fonts as the rest of kde, only it uses monospace fonts
[11:42] <chavo> |lostbyte|, I told you this once already
[11:42] <pd273> hmm
[11:42] <|lostbyte|> chavo, oh ! so it the install_bitmat in fonts section monospace ?
[11:43] <cox377> lol
[11:43] <pd273> can you try disabling the firewall and seeing if browsers are working
[11:43] <|lostbyte|> it/is*
[11:43] <chavo> |lostbyte|, yes and no, if you have a bitmap font you can use that button
[11:43] <cox377> i can imagine for the people who know the answers to these questions that people can get very very irritating so i very much appreciate all the help given
[11:44] <pd273> hehe
[11:44] <pd273> :)
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> yes ! i have.. and i see two files appear in .fonts folder but it des'nt appear in the fonts section..
[11:44] <pd273> help to get help
[11:45] <cox377> yeh 273, by disabling the firewalll everything is working again
[11:45] <cox377> but i added HTTP from the list
[11:45] <pd273> this means that port 80 to the internet is being blocked
[11:45] <cox377> my internet radio is working from the BBC
[11:45] <chavo> |lostbyte|, looks like a bug to me
[11:45] <pd273> did you do an apply after enabling it
[11:45] <cox377> i certainly did
[11:45] <pd273> hmm  thats strange
[11:46] <pd273> are you using a proxy server /
[11:46] <pd273> ?
[11:46] <cox377> nope
[11:46] <|lostbyte|> chavo, oh ! these two files are in pcf.gz format.
[11:46] <pd273> try enabling http traffic once more it might work :)
[11:47] <chavo> |lostbyte|, yes that's a bitmap file
[11:47] <cox377> seems to be working now
[11:47] <cox377> ; )
[11:47] <chavo> font*
[11:47] <|lostbyte|> ok
[11:47] <chavo> |lostbyte|, which font do you want to use?
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> chavo, 9x15.pcf.gz one which is in .fonts. I also like clean ( which is not there in ubuntu but was there in mandriva ) and aspirin regular ( commercial )
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> kubuntu*
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> As i am on a 1280x1024 resolution and these fonts are perfect to read. Right now i am on andale mono 8 which is a little too big and 7 goes too small :(
[11:53] <cox377> with guarddog
[11:53] <cox377> do u have to enable ports for local as well as internet
[11:54] <cox377> because i cant connect to my router
[11:54] <pd273> cox377: if you are using telenet to enter your router then you might need to
[11:55] <pd273> other wise if it is through http then no need
[11:55] <pd273> anything outside your box is internet
[11:55] <cox377> it runs through https
[11:55] <cox377> and another port
[11:55] <cox377> but i cant access it even though ive added https and the port
[11:55] <noaXess_kubuntu> !easysource
[11:55] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:56] <pd273> hmm
[11:56] <pd273> try a refresh once more :)
[11:59] <cox377> I'm wondering if the user defined protocols are activated
[11:59] <pd273> i tried some user defined once, it was working
[12:00] <pd273> had to enter it in Advanced tab
[12:00] <pd273> and come back n Protocols and enable it there
[12:00] <cox377> i dont know the port under protocles though
[12:01] <pd273> did you add it under the Advanced tab
[12:02] <pd273> if so then in the Protocols tab you can see your newly defined once, then you apply setting to it from there
[12:02] <cox377> DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[12:02] <pd273> you can see the newly added once in the -> userdefined section in protocols tab
[12:02] <cox377> Learning something new
[12:02] <cox377> : )
[12:04] <cox377> Are these for incoming or for outgoing?
[12:04] <pd273> its general in the Advnaced tab
[12:05] <pd273> then in the protocols you have to chose if it is for outgoing or incoming
[12:07] <pd273> brb
[12:07] <pd273> am testing is I can get 1680x1050 resolution on my laptop
[12:07] <cox377> Jesus
[12:32] <Hobbsee> bleaked: ping
[12:55] <urban> do i need gstreamer in kubuntu?
[12:59] <jpatrick> urban: depends
[01:00] <urban> on what?
[01:01] <urban> do i need it if i use everything with xine?
[01:01] <jpatrick> No
[01:02] <urban> k
[01:02] <urban> thx
[01:06] <bernier> hi, i followed a tut to compile the new linux kernel and at the end while creating the .deb I got that error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/708279
[01:13] <madmonk> hi all
[01:14] <madmonk> i've got a little problem on kubuntu dapper
[01:14] <madmonk> can i ask here for help?
[01:14] <madmonk> i've got a problem when i do switch user
[01:14] <madmonk> very often
[01:15] <madmonk> the system freezes
[01:15] <Hobbsee> !ask
[01:15] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:15] <madmonk> every user do switch
[01:16] <madmonk> the system get back to the "boot" screen
[01:16] <madmonk> and freezes
[01:16] <madmonk> and i must rebbot "brutaly" :(
[01:16] <Kadran> does any one know a good tutorial in how to extend the space of my hd, i have two and need linux too see them as one mount point?
[01:16] <bernier> hobbsee: i think you're the one who can help me :P
[01:16] <madmonk> i really need to switch user
[01:17] <madmonk> or else my sister is gonna crack down my HD!!
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Kadran: You could use unionfs
[01:17] <Hobbsee> madmonk: does this happen for all users, or just a specific user?
[01:17] <madmonk> all users
[01:17] <kbrooks> KUBUNTU!
[01:17] <Kadran> thanks h3sp4wn
[01:17] <madmonk> i don't even know where to look for logs of errors
[01:17] <bernier> i followed a tut to compile the latest question of the kernel: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560 and at step "14" while running the latest command I got that error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/708279
[01:18] <madmonk> less often also if i just shut down a session it freezes!
[01:18] <larson9999> hello, i'm a long time mandrake user finally switching over to a deb based distro.  so far it's been pretty painless.
[01:18] <madmonk> i guess it's a kdm problem
[01:19] <Hobbsee> madmonk: ack, no idea
[01:19] <madmonk> where could i look for have more informations on my system about that?
[01:19] <larson9999> where do you change the settings so that an app opens on a double click instead of single?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> larson9999: system settings...er...
[01:20] <madmonk> larson9999: settings of konqueror
[01:20] <Hobbsee> mouse
[01:20] <Hobbsee> oh there you go
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> bernier: With or without that ck patch ?
[01:20] <bernier> with
[01:20] <madmonk> so it seems that nobody can help! I also tried on forums and ng!
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> With loads of modules removed ?
[01:20] <bernier> up to now everything worked
[01:21] <bernier> well i didnt remove any module manually
[01:21] <larson9999> Hobbsee: duh, i'm such a goof.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> bernier: er, i wonder if that's actually an error
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Did you run make menuconfig ?
[01:21] <bernier> hobbsee: me too i wonder because i have toe .deb files done
[01:21] <katakombi> bernier, do you use splash screen on boot?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> bernier: it looks to be done - it didnt output anything strange at the end
[01:22] <scheuri> hi all
[01:22] <bernier> kk
[01:22] <larson9999> the other question i have is, "is there a gui to monitor network connections: setup, reconfig, reconnect, etc.  like there is in mandrake
[01:22] <bernier> h3sp4wn i did EXACTLY what's on the tut
[01:22] <Hobbsee> larson9999: knetworkmanager
[01:23] <madmonk> ok...i'll look elsewhere...thanx thesame
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> bernier: If you don't specifically include xtables support then you will break iptables
[01:24] <bernier> h3sp4wn: ic and how do i include it?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Select it in menuconfig
[01:25] <bernier> now i got 2 files created: kernel-headers-2.6.16-ck12_686_i386.deb and kernel-image-2.6.16-ck12_686_i386.deb. which one is the right one?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> bernier: I don't use that ck patch only http://people.redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/older/patch-2.6.16-rt29
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> Both of them
[01:26] <bernier> ill try these first...
[01:27] <Hobbsee> bernier: both of them, they do different things
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> I normally just make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom4 --append-to-version=-v1 binary (you get 4 debs - source , doc , headers and image
[01:27] <Hobbsee> wonder what's in this new kernel anyway...
[01:27] <bernier> do i start with headers or image?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> bernier: just sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:27] <Hobbsee> it'll do both
[01:27] <bernier> kk
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Are you using fglrx or nvidia ?
[01:28] <bernier> nvidia
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> Have a look in nvidia-kernel-source to see if there are any of the patches which you think you want before just building the raw one from nvidia
[01:31] <larson9999> ok, i'm getting there.  this might not be a kubuntu question but thunderbird isn't using my old email profile.  it wants me to set up a new email account.  know how i get it to use the old one?
[01:31] <rraajj> What's a good PDF-editor out there, if there's any...
[01:33] <bernier> ok i installed it ill reboot and see..
[01:33] <scheuri> rraajj: I dont think there are any...
[01:34] <rraajj> scheuri: Oh, I see...
[01:34] <rraajj> Well, is there any way I can edit a PDF file?
[01:34] <rraajj> Like, export it back to ODT or something...
[01:34] <larson9999> i don't have anything that's bluetooth but it's installed anyway.  can i uninstall it or is it used for other stuff?  i mean is it like the scsi stuff in that you need it even if you only have ide drives
[01:36] <scheuri> rraajj: not as far as I know...when it is pdf, reading is free, but editing is Adobes business...:)
[01:36] <rraajj> scheuri: Oh, okay. Hehehe. Thanks anyway!
[01:37] <rraajj> scheuri: I thought there was something like the Foxit Editor in Windows.
[01:37] <larson9999> rraajj: i thought there were editors.  i don't edit any but i've seen threads about editing them.  i suppose worse comes to worse you could use an app that converts it's output to pdf
[01:37] <scheuri> rraajj: well, I dont know everything...;)...but I doubt there is anything...try to search in google..."edit pdf linux" or something
[01:38] <rraajj> larson9999: Yes, that's what I thought, too. I was thinking of converting it to something editable, then convert it back to PDF when I'm done.
[01:39] <rraajj> scheuri: Hehehe. I'm going to try that. Just going to close some tabs, I've been surfing all day long... Thanks again!
[01:40] <bernier> alright, it didnt work
[01:41] <bernier> i got the kernel loading right after the "grub" then the screen turna black but never get something else
[01:42] <larson9999> rraajj: my quick google shows there are work around solutions but maybe not a editor proper and maybe not 100% compatible either
[01:43] <rraajj> larson9999: Oh, that'd be fine. The files I'm editing are mostly composed of colored rows and texts, anyway... Not too much of them diagram stuffs.
[01:43] <ArmedGeek> rraajj: kword can import pdf
[01:43] <larson9999> rraajj: then google.com/linux and serch away
[01:44] <winbond> anyone in here using xgl with kde?
[01:45] <larson9999> so far kbuntu is treating me at least as well as mandriva did
[01:46] <winbond> i tried mandriva 2006 , kubuntu rocks on the same system compared to mandriva
[01:46] <larson9999> soon as a figure that thunderbird thing out, i'll be golden.
[01:47] <winbond> the only think i liked about mandriva that it had raid and ati drivers out of the box
[01:47] <winbond> g
[01:48] <winbond> but the performance was pretty bad ,
[01:48] <larson9999> winbond, well i couldn't get earlier versions installed on this system.  i figured it was because it's smp.  i was going to switch earlier but kept with mandriva for that reason.  as for performance... i see no difference
[01:48] <larson9999> i like the debian version of freedom better
[01:48] <winbond> i guess that depends on the system drivers
[01:49] <winbond> i have nf4 and it sucked on it , but kubuntu is fast
[01:49] <larson9999> the level of tweaking i've had to do on bother so far has been pretty similar
[01:49] <winbond> what do you tweak?
[01:50] <larson9999> winbond: not talking performance tweaking.  talking stuff like apci=noirq boot parameter
[01:51] <larson9999> and in mandriva i had to put the nvidia driver in modprobe.preload.  that kinda stuff
[02:12] <bernier> what's the command to  remove directories?
[02:12] <bernier> sudo rm "something" "thefile"
[02:12] <bernier> what's the something?
[02:12] <gobbe> man rm
[02:13] <bernier> got it it's: rm -r
[02:13] <gobbe> yea
[02:15] <scheuri> uuhmm...someone should tell him to be careful!
[02:16] <geneo93> rm -r /
[02:17] <scheuri> geneo93: stuff like that makes it hard to help people here...:)...
[02:17] <scheuri> ouch...okay....thats the other way...;)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> scheuri: :)
[02:19] <lisko> hi
[02:19] <scheuri> hi
[02:19] <scheuri> uh, too slow
[02:19] <Hobbsee> scheuri: it always makes me wonder though - did they think it was a ban or something?  why havnt they come back yet?
[02:20] <scheuri> Hobbsee: hehh...true...but well, maybe they perfectly know what they did and are emberassed now
[02:20] <Hobbsee> must be
[02:20] <Hobbsee> i havent seen any PM's about it...
[02:20] <scheuri> Hobbsee: especially they got "punished" by an OP
[02:21] <scheuri> uhmm...there is a "because" missing
[02:22] <Hobbsee> scheuri: heh, yeah
[02:22] <scheuri> Hobbsee: why? want to go to sleep? ;)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> scheuri: hehe no, i want to test out an alias
[02:24] <scheuri> ;)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oops...
[02:24] <Hobbsee_> drat.  kicked the wrong one.
[02:24] <scheuri> errare human est...or something...;)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:25] <Hobbsee> i have a more working remove alias :D
[02:26] <PSIplus> hi
[02:27] <larson9999> here's a silly question.  how to i tell which repository i need to add to get an app that doesn't show in my repositories, now.  for instance ppracer isn't found.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> larson9999: apt-cache search ppracer
[02:28] <Hobbsee> larson9999: it changed its' name
[02:28] <Hobbsee> !info planetpenguin-racer dapper
[02:28] <PSIplus> I've a tricky problem... whenever I use utf8 under kubuntu dapper... whenever i open a doc in kate via fish:// it opens it with utf8 ... but on the documents are in iso8859-15... is there a way to force it to a distinct encoding for this connection, so that I don't have to set the encoding for each single document?
[02:28] <ubotu> planetpenguin-racer: (another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-5ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 700 kB
[02:28] <Hobbsee> larson9999: packages.ubuntu.com or the bot will find where the package is, or often has a factoid on it.
[02:30] <larson9999> Hobbsee: thank's i'll bookmark that
[02:31] <pd273> !ati
[02:32] <pd273> !nagios
[02:32] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, pd273
[02:40] <satempler> what is the Appel web site address for KDE 4
[02:41] <jpatrick> appell.kde.org
[02:42] <jpatrick> http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Appeal that is
[02:43] <satempler> thanks
[02:43] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:44] <scheuri> hello slow-motion
[02:44] <satempler> any recomendations in integrating Kopete 0.12 in Kubuntu 3.5.3
[02:44] <slow-motion> hello scheuri
[02:45] <satempler> i am compiling it now
[02:45] <Hobbsee> satempler: there's a deb for it...
[02:45] <satempler> Hobbsee: beta 1 but its been released
[02:45] <satempler> so I am compiling the relesed one
[02:45] <Hobbsee> satempler: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[02:45] <satempler> ok
[02:46] <satempler> thanks
[02:46] <Hobbsee> it's not *fully* up to date - it needs another dep if you want yahoo webcam support
[02:46] <satempler> ya I have the jasper already
[02:46] <scheuri> jriddell is the main Kubuntu-Dev?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> scheuri: yes
[02:46] <Hobbsee> satempler: cool
[02:46] <larson9999> time to make the doughnuts
[02:47] <scheuri> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:47] <satempler> cool he has the Oxygen Icons
[02:47] <darmou> I recently upgraded to dapper and am using kubuntu, I have no sound how can i reactivte my audio?
[02:48] <Riddell> hmm, I should hide that
[02:48] <satempler> Riddell sorry
[02:48] <Riddell> not your fault satempler
[02:48] <darmou>  lspci | grep audio
[02:48] <darmou> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[02:48] <Riddell> but it has a restrictive licence
[02:48] <satempler> Just saw a preview of what they look like awsome
[02:50] <RandomDude15> hey
[02:50] <RandomDude15> anyone her?E
[02:50] <RandomDude15> *anyone here?
[02:51] <Riddell> RandomDude15: plenty, and we're all good looking too
[02:51] <satempler> oh
[02:51] <RandomDude15> I installed the nvidia drivers.
[02:51] <RandomDude15> using apt.
[02:51] <RandomDude15> and want them to take effect.
[02:51] <RandomDude15> my games are running slow.
[02:52] <RandomDude15> my xorg.conf file has         Driver          "nv"
[02:52] <RandomDude15> do I have to change it to something elese for it to take effect?
[02:52] <emonkeylap> change it to nvidia
[02:52] <emonkeylap> and restart the Xserver
[02:52] <RandomDude15> or something like nvidia-glx
[02:52] <emonkeylap> change "nv" to "nvidia"
[02:52] <elBarto> I am using wvdial for my dial up connection. What is the propper way to end that? Is there a command to stop it? Currently I am hitting ctrl+z but then when I try to connect again the modem is busy.
[02:53] <RandomDude15> I installed nvidia-glx in apt
[02:53] <RandomDude15> Ok.
[02:53] <RandomDude15> ill change it
[02:53] <emonkeylap> RandomDude15, don't forget to restart the X-Server after that
[02:53] <RandomDude15> changed.
[02:53] <RandomDude15> brb
[02:53] <RandomDude15> yeah I know.
[02:53] <RandomDude15> brb restarting x server
[02:53] <satempler> Riddel is the Kopete you made have voice support for Jabber/Google Talk
[02:54] <emonkeylap> elBarto, why you don't use kppp?
[02:55] <cef> I'm running some kde apps under plain ubuntu, but I can't seem to get kcontrol to allow me to set up socks. I'm trying to use the Dante libs. Any ideas?
[02:55] <kkathman> I officially want to go on record to say kmail is the worst thing ever devised by man (well ok maybe the 2nd or 3rd).
[02:55] <elBarto> It gioves me an error when I try to use it. Something about a configuration srcipt.
[02:55] <cef> kkathman: no way. it's heaps better than evolution.
[02:56] <kkathman> cef:  yes and Id like to have legionairre's disease more than AIDS also
[02:56] <cef> kkathman: heh
[02:56] <kkathman> once you use kmail...you cant migrate the mail to anything
[02:56] <cef> kkathman: what's your beef with it?
[02:56] <kkathman> see above
[02:57] <cef> you can't? I've don e it before I'm sure
[02:57] <kkathman> stupid maildir crap
[02:57] <cef> err, lots of stuff support maildir
[02:57] <kkathman> Ive been working with maildir trying to get it to mbox... Kmail doesnt use a standard mbox format so things that use mbox dont import :(
[02:58] <cef> and when you make a mailbox, you can decide wether it's maildir or mailbox.
[02:58] <kkathman> cef: yes.. but its not a standard mbox
[02:58] <cef> ahh.. what are you trying to import it into?
[02:58] <kkathman> cef to Thunderbird
[02:58] <kkathman> Ive gone through all the T-bird support forums
[02:58] <cef> kkathman: oh dear god no. seriously, tbird's importing stuff is HORRIBLY broken
[02:59] <kkathman> T-bird's procedure apparently works if you have a standard mbox
[02:59] <RandomDude15> ok I changed nv to nvidia and it just sits there
[02:59] <RandomDude15> with the kubuntu logo
[02:59] <RandomDude15> boot logo that is
[02:59] <kkathman> cef:  theoretically, t-birf doesnt need to import
[02:59] <cef> well, if crashing is considered working, then yes I can see it's working
[02:59] <kkathman> its supposed to read mbox natively
[03:00] <kkathman> so this either works only in the Windows version of T-bird, or Im not getting mbox file right
[03:00] <kkathman> I DO know that t-bird linux is severely limited, but I'd thing they would want an import from kmail
[03:00] <RandomDude15> well anyone there?
[03:01] <kkathman> but then Linux isnt Mozilla's main market
[03:01] <ddh> j #kvpnc
[03:02] <RandomDude15> ?
[03:02] <cef> kkathman: well, only other thing I can suggest is using something like archivemail (in universe) to export/archive your mail to mbox files.
[03:03] <ddh> slash missing ;o)
[03:03] <larson9999> kkathman: i don't think linux is mozilla's maing market, yet
[03:03] <kkathman> lol exactly
[03:03] <larson9999> if reactos gets going like it looks like it might, it may never well be
[03:03] <cef> RandomDude15: sorry, don't know the detail of your problem. what nvidia card/chipset do you have?
[03:04] <kkathman> well for some reason yesterday, kmail just started turning all my messages into "unknown" and blank emails when I clicked on a message
[03:04] <AngryElf> i've got a script that is +x in ~/.kde/Autostart and it doesn't run when I log in
[03:04] <kkathman> I restored back to a previous save of the kmail folder, and it righted itself, but Im a bit skittish now
[03:04] <AngryElf> If i manually run it champagne falls from the sky
[03:04] <perrin> hi,  im having some trouble getting the sound to work in kubuntu.  can anyone help?
[03:05] <cef> AngryElf: are you SURE it doesn't run, or that it just fails to do what you expect?
[03:05] <AngryElf> it's suppose to start 3 things
[03:05] <AngryElf> none of them are running
[03:06] <AngryElf> how would i find out if it's run or not
[03:06] <cef> AngryElf: does it have something like "#!/bin/bash" on the first line?
[03:06] <AngryElf> yes, it wouldn't run manually if it didn't
[03:06] <AngryElf> the script itself isn't flawed
[03:06] <darmou> found out the the no sound problem using dmesg the sound module did not load on boot properly, modprobe fixed it
[03:06] <darmou> hmm and Dapper is supposed to be more reliable ha
[03:07] <cef> AngryElf: just checking. tried adding something before the commands like: "touch ~/yes_i_got_here" ?
[03:07] <RandomDude15> FX5200
[03:07] <AngryElf> mmk
[03:07] <AngryElf> it's hidden, is that a prob?
[03:07] <Celeste> hi
[03:08] <perrin> darmou: ok, i dont know what u just said.. lol   im reasonably new to linux.  i know about modprobe and dmesg, but no idea what they do
[03:08] <svivian> Good morning all. I have a question regarding dual monitors on Dapper. I have installed xorg-fglrx, and run the commands found on the Ubuntu ATI Wiki and a certain post in the bit-tech forums: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=109656 . Now, my machine stretches the desktop across both monitors as I want. The problem is that the desktop surface on each monitor is larger than the actual screen, so that I have to drag the cursor off the 
[03:08] <svivian> the desktop on each screen. Any thoughts on how to correct this so each monitor displays the whole desktop "surface"?
[03:08] <cef> RandomDude15: ok.. does 'lsmod|grep ^nvidia' output anything?
[03:09] <larson9999> linux rocks
[03:09] <perrin> yeah when u know it well enough to get basic stuff working
[03:10] <cef> AngryElf: it starts with a . ? that could be a problem.. might skip dot-files
[03:10] <perrin> frustrating when changing over from windows
[03:10] <obscurite> i'm having trouble gettting my ath0 to connect to my wifi network. anyone having issues with the dapper madwifi support?
[03:10] <moopere> no issue with madwifi here
[03:11] <moopere> obscurite: what issues are u hitting?
[03:11] <cef> anyone here got KDE working with a socks proxy?
[03:12] <RandomDude15> ill check it out soon
[03:12] <RandomDude15> im in windows now
[03:14] <cef> RandomDude15: ok.. that will tell you if the nvidia module is loaded. it should spit out something like: "nvidia               4552692  12" or something similar. If si, then it "should work". is the FX5200 in a laptop perchance?
[03:15] <perrin> is anyone able to help me with a sound issue in kubuntu?
[03:15] <larson9999> errr, why wouldn't make be installed by default?
[03:15] <RandomDude15> no im running a deskop that I built.
[03:15] <cef> larson9999: you need to install the build subsystem. "apt-get install build-essential"
[03:16] <RandomDude15> and I've had the card for like 2 years
[03:16] <RandomDude15> in this computer
[03:16] <cef> or use whatever the kde equivalent of synaptic is (sorry not really a kde person)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> adept
[03:16] <cef> RandomDude15: just asked cos I have exactly that chipset in my laptop, and I had issues with the LCD screen
[03:16] <svivian> Anyone here experienced with display settings/configurations?
[03:17] <winbond> does anyone know where the firefox config file is at?
[03:18] <RandomDude15> yeah I have an LCD.
[03:18] <RandomDude15> Acer AL1714
[03:19] <v3ctor> ~/.mozilla
[03:20] <McScruff> does anyone know of an audio app that lets u make sounds in a high pitch
[03:21] <winbond> i need another one , the one where i can specify which audio output to use ,
[03:25] <trizzton> hi ppl
[03:26] <svivian> bbl
[03:26] <exceswater> hi ppl
[03:26] <trizzton> hi exceswater
[03:26] <exceswater> who can tell me how to install return to castle wolfenstein
[03:26] <exceswater> :D
[03:26] <exceswater> i have the kit
[03:26] <exceswater> but i dunno the comand
[03:26] <exceswater> i am not used to install things on linux
[03:26] <exceswater> :d
[03:27] <trizzton> well , i am new to kubuntu
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: You can do it with snd (but you need to know emacs keybindings and I don't)
[03:27] <scheuri> exceswater: well, there are dozens of websites explaining it...what to do on the command line to install Wolfenstein
[03:27] <scheuri> exceswater: never did myself though
[03:28] <exceswater> ok
[03:28] <exceswater> 10x
[03:29] <exceswater> !install et
[03:29] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, exceswater
[03:31] <RogueJediX> Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't you supposed to just chmod +x the linux installer and run it?
[03:31] <New2Kub> hello
[03:31] <trizzton> exceswater:
[03:31] <exceswater> i am noob to linux
[03:31] <exceswater> yup
[03:32] <exceswater> i dunno the commands
[03:32] <exceswater> i like kubuntu
[03:32] <trizzton> do you have the loki installer ?
[03:32] <exceswater> but i am really new to this
[03:32] <exceswater> 3rd day
[03:32] <exceswater> :D
[03:32] <trizzton> it should be easy to install it
[03:32] <exceswater> i have something like that
[03:32] <RogueJediX> exceswater: You said you have "the kit". What did you mean by that? A file?
[03:32] <trizzton> ok , do this
[03:32] <trizzton> chmod
[03:32] <exceswater> et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:32] <RogueJediX> exceswater: It's easy then
[03:33] <exceswater> this is the file
[03:33] <trizzton> chmod +x etfile
[03:33] <exceswater> thank you for helping
[03:33] <RogueJediX> exceswater: chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:33] <RogueJediX> And then
[03:33] <RogueJediX> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:33] <pd273> cox377: you still there
[03:33] <trizzton> then you should do this   /etfile
[03:33] <trizzton> sorry is  ./etfile
[03:34] <trizzton> yeaaaaah do chmod +x et-linux-2-therest
[03:34] <defrysk> just use the sh command
[03:34] <defrysk> sh blah.run
[03:34] <RogueJediX> exceswater: And by the way. That's not Return to Castle Wolfenstein, the single-palyer game. That's Enemy Territory
[03:35] <adamant1988> hi all
[03:35] <trizzton> exceswater: i recommend you the exelent mod for ET  ( True Combat Elite )
[03:35] <exceswater> it doesn't work
[03:35] <exceswater> after what you said
[03:35] <adamant1988> Could anyone here look at a wallpaper I made and see what you think?
[03:35] <trizzton> i play it in my other machine with mandriva
[03:36] <exceswater> i should input in console: chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:36] <trizzton> yeahhhhhhh
[03:36] <exceswater> and it says cannot find the file
[03:36] <RogueJediX> adamant1988: Sure
[03:36] <exceswater> yes adamant1988
[03:36] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Are you in the folder where the file is?
[03:36] <exceswater> i would like to see it too
[03:36] <trizzton> you should specify the path of the file
[03:36] <exceswater> with conqueror yes
[03:36] <klerfayt> exceswater: open konsole and type  sudo /pathtoet
[03:36] <adamant1988> http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8247/kubuntuwp6qk.jpg
[03:37] <adamant1988> I'm thinking about putting it on art.ubuntu.com if it's good enough =\
[03:37] <adamant1988> I tried to use kubuntu blue compatible colors
[03:37] <RogueJediX> adamant1988: Very trippy
[03:37] <RogueJediX> I like it :P
[03:37] <trizzton> that is good work adamant1988
[03:37] <klerfayt> exceswater: by the way - et is dead
[03:37] <exceswater> sudo /home/exceswater/Desktop/waterman/kiturijocuri
[03:37] <exceswater> like that
[03:38] <trizzton> well , you should know where the file is
[03:38] <exceswater> ??
[03:38] <obscurite> moopere - iwconfig shows the proper essid and key, but dhclient wont pick up anything
[03:38] <adamant1988> should I submit it?
[03:38] <exceswater> i know where the file is
[03:38] <adamant1988> and does anyone want the GIMP image?
[03:38] <exceswater> adamant1988:  submit it ,.. it's nice
[03:38] <trizzton> or where you saved to
[03:38] <RogueJediX> adamant1988: Don't see why you shouldn't. Go for it
[03:38] <New2Kub> I have a KDE question
[03:39] <adamant1988> I want to release all my work under a share alike policy, so if anyone wants the GIMP image just let me know in a pm or something
[03:39] <New2Kub> how do you make it so that the task bar only shows applications for the window that your working in?
[03:39] <obscurite> anyone have any ideas? my ath0 won't dhclient even with the net/key set properly
[03:39] <trizzton> exceswater: what happend ?
[03:39] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Just to be on the safe side. Do you want RTCW or ET?
[03:40] <exceswater> et
[03:40] <exceswater> cause it's free
[03:40] <exceswater> :D
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> adamant1988: Do you think you could have the same thing but just with a black background and white text (shades) I don't know anything about graphics
[03:40] <exceswater> somebody said it's dead
[03:40] <exceswater> did he meaned that there are no more players... or servers available ?
[03:40] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Just checking. Then, open your console and cd over to the folder where you downloaded the file
[03:40] <trizzton> i love unreal tournament in linux
[03:40] <trizzton> runsssssssssss smooth
[03:40] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Then do all the stuff we told you
[03:40] <exceswater> i dunno how to do that
[03:40] <exceswater> :d
[03:41] <exceswater> i don't know how to cd in linux
[03:41] <exceswater> cd dir
[03:41] <exceswater> cd dir
[03:41] <exceswater> etc ?
[03:41] <exceswater> :D
[03:41] <obscurite> new2kub - uncheck show windows from all desktops under config panel -> taskbar
[03:41] <RogueJediX> exceswater: K -> System -> Terminal Program (Konsole)
[03:41] <defrysk> cd /wherever/yo/want/to/go
[03:41] <trizzton> just go to the directory where the file et-the-rest is
[03:42] <exceswater> first step ok
[03:42] <pd273> !fglrx
[03:42] <New2Kub> Thanks :)
[03:42] <trizzton> ok show me the path
[03:42] <RogueJediX> exceswater: All righty, then. Do you know where you saved the file?
[03:42] <trizzton> to make sure
[03:43] <obscurite> any ideas on how to debug my ath0?
[03:43] <RogueJediX> Hey, adamant1988. Is that a blurred cog in  the background?
[03:43] <exceswater> yes
[03:43] <exceswater> now i have the path in konsole
[03:43] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Then cd to the folder you saved it in
[03:44] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Oh, you already did that?
[03:44] <exceswater> i did that
[03:44] <trizzton> exceswater: show the path to make sure you are in there
[03:44] <exceswater> now ?
[03:44] <exceswater> this is the patch
[03:44] <exceswater> path
[03:44] <exceswater> path: /home/exceswater/Desktop/waterman/kiturijocuri
[03:44] <trizzton> chmod +x et-.x.x.x.x.x.x
[03:44] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Now do that chmod +x stuff we told you
[03:44] <adamant1988> RogueJediX: no, I painteed the BG by hand.   The only cogs are in the logo and I made them very visible.  I tried not to change them.
[03:45] <RogueJediX> adamant1988: Oh. I thought I saw a part of a cog in the middle-tolower right of the picture
[03:45] <exceswater> i did that : exceswater@exceswater:~/Desktop/waterman/kiturijocuri$ chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:45] <exceswater> and nothing happens
[03:45] <trizzton> yeahhhh
[03:45] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Good, that's good
[03:45] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Now do
[03:45] <RogueJediX> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[03:45] <New2Kub> are hte ubuntu and kubuntu source lists the same?
[03:45] <RogueJediX> Note the dot and the slash
[03:46] <New2Kub>  I ask because I want a source list that will let me get media codecs
[03:46] <exceswater> something started
[03:46] <exceswater> i am so dumb
[03:46] <exceswater> :d
[03:46] <trizzton> ohhhhhhh yeahhhhh exceswater
[03:46] <exceswater> my problem is time :D
[03:46] <New2Kub> and I am only finding them from Ubuntu
[03:46] <adamant1988> nope RogueJediX you're looking too hard. That's all hand painted no shapes in it intentionally
[03:46] <exceswater> i don't have time
[03:46] <adamant1988> you can view the GIMP image if you like
[03:46] <exceswater> i stay on my pc on the run...
[03:46] <trizzton> the graphical installer
[03:46] <RogueJediX> adamant1988: I know. I'm weird like that :)
[03:47] <trizzton> welll you know how to do it now
[03:47] <exceswater> it would be really nice to have an install like in win
[03:47] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Now all you have to do is tell it where you want it and play the thing
[03:47] <exceswater> for noobs like me
[03:47] <winbond> how do i open a file in kde as root so i can edit ?
[03:47] <trizzton> try the True Combat Elite mod
[03:47] <exceswater> nice
[03:47] <exceswater> after that install
[03:47] <trizzton> the is the best
[03:47] <exceswater> i have to run a patch
[03:47] <exceswater> where can i find that mod
[03:47] <exceswater> :D
[03:47] <exceswater>  ?
[03:47] <svivian> Anyone here experienced with display settings/configurations?
[03:47] <trizzton> a patch fo what ?
[03:47] <exceswater> but it will be a living hell
[03:47] <exceswater> for et
[03:48] <exceswater> i found it on the same page
[03:48] <exceswater> a patch around 4 M
[03:48] <exceswater> :d
[03:48] <winbond> svivian: what r u trying to do?
[03:48] <winbond> how do i open a file in kde as root so i can edit ?
[03:49] <svivian> winbond:  I have installed xorg-fglrx, and run the commands found on the Ubuntu ATI Wiki and a certain post in the bit-tech forums: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=109656 . Now, my machine stretches the desktop across both monitors as I want. The problem is that the desktop surface on each monitor is larger than the actual screen, so that I have to drag the cursor off the edge of the monitor to reach the edges of the desktop on each
[03:49] <svivian> is so each monitor displays the whole desktop "surface"?
[03:49] <charlie5> with adept, if i install a package, then uninstall it, then later on re-install it ... will the files need to be re-downloaded on the 2nd install ?
[03:49] <RogueJediX> exceswater: For all your linux gaming needs check out happypenguin.org and www.liflg.org
[03:49] <trizzton> ohhh it depends if you downloaded the lastest realese
[03:49] <svivian> winbond: try sudo vi [filename] 
[03:50] <svivian> winbond: or kdesu Kate [filename] 
[03:50] <trizzton> well winbond  use ( nano )
[03:50] <obscurite> I think i'm having a problem connecting to my network because the essid is hidden, or because the network is 802.11b as opposed to a/g. this is an atheros. any ideas?
[03:50] <obscurite> I can connect to other networks just fine
[03:50] <trizzton> it is easier for beginners
[03:50] <klerfayt> even though I have disabled "progress bar animation" adept still animates it
[03:50] <trizzton> i use it
[03:51] <winbond> svivian: svivian i know how to do it in the command , i want to find out how to do it in kde
[03:51] <trizzton> ALT+F2 type kate
[03:51] <winbond> svivian: did you go to your video control panel and look at the options?
[03:51] <trizzton> the enter your there
[03:51] <trizzton> you are there
[03:51] <exceswater> RogueJediX:  is very nice
[03:51] <svivian> winbond: right-click on the file in Konquerer, go to Actions, select "edit as root"
[03:52] <exceswater> my only problem is that i try to avoid aditional costs
[03:52] <exceswater> :d
[03:52] <exceswater> this is my computer from the job
[03:52] <exceswater> for the other computers i have licencies
[03:52] <exceswater> for that i don't wanna pay more
[03:52] <svivian> winbond: The video control panel is kind of limited. I suspect it will require editing xorg.conf, which I have noticed has an astonishing number of redundant entries now that I have run aticonfig
[03:52] <winbond> svivian: yeah , thats what i was looking for , thanks
[03:53] <RogueJediX> exceswater: No problem there. With games like Nexuiz, Warsow, Dark Oberon, Battle for Wesnoth, etc., you're good to go
[03:53] <jaims> hi
[03:53] <exceswater> i would like to play something like age of empires
[03:53] <exceswater> but free game
[03:53] <exceswater> here is something wrong with COPS
[03:53] <klerfayt> flashplayer installation hanged http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8563/snapshot11mj.png any thoughts?
[03:53] <trizzton> hi jaims
[03:53] <jaims> :-)
[03:53] <exceswater> they are busting people for pirated software :D
[03:54] <jaims> i'd like to know wtf is the log '(pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0)'
[03:54] <jaims> auth.log
[03:54] <winbond> svivian: you can try to reconfigure xorg.conf  , you know the command for that , right?
[03:54] <charlie5> trizzton: so if version has not changed, the download from the 1st install is re-used ?
[03:54] <jaims> how does one search what is happening?
[03:54] <trizzton> yeahhhh
[03:54] <jaims> :-)
[03:54] <obscurite> if my hard drive is constantly parking heads (and thus clicking) - how can i stop that from happening without killing power management (i'm afraid of shorter battery life)
[03:55] <trizzton> that is right charlie5
[03:55] <charlie5> trizzton: thanks :)
[03:55] <trizzton> ok
[03:55] <jaims> it's more a question about linux, rather than kubuntu
[03:55] <svivian> winbond: yes, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but I don't want to lose the ati config stuff that made the desktop work like I want it to in the first place. dpkg-reconfigure will overwrite xorg.conf, and I will lose the parts of xorg that I need in addition to the ones I don't
[03:55] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Things are rather skimpy on the RTS front on Linux. You could try Dark Oberon or Globulation 2, I suppose
[03:56] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Oh, and Glest too.
[03:57] <trizzton> svivian: just copy and paste the parts to the xorg.conf that you want
[03:57] <trizzton> that is what i do
[03:57] <exceswater> another stupid question from
[03:57] <exceswater> me
[03:57] <exceswater> :d
[03:57] <exceswater> first thank you RogueJediX
[03:57] <trizzton> just if something re-write my xorg.conf
[03:57] <exceswater> how do i start et ?
[03:58] <exceswater> now ?
[03:58] <exceswater> after install
[03:58] <trizzton> i copy and paste from the good copy of the xorg.conf that i saved
[03:58] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Well, do you know where you installed it to?
[03:58] <exceswater> yup
[03:59] <trizzton> you should see one new entry in the menus
[03:59] <DarkRavenMixage> how to enable ed2k protocol on konqueror?
[03:59] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Yeah, trizzton's right. Check out your menu for new entries
[03:59] <winbond> who was talking to me?
[03:59] <trizzton> you get it exceswater ?
[03:59] <RogueJediX> exceswater: If not, we have a backup plan
[04:00] <trizzton> or use the command line to run it
[04:00] <exceswater> i get it
[04:00] <trizzton> good job man
[04:00] <exceswater> no extra new entries
[04:00] <winbond> who was talking to me?
[04:00] <exceswater> i am not used to linux
[04:00] <trizzton> well i get confused with thix irc client ( konversation ) i like X-chat
[04:01] <exceswater> for me ... and i am not so dumb... it's hard to realize which file is executable in linux
[04:01] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Then open your console again and cd over to where you installed it and run ./et
[04:01] <trizzton> it is matter of time exceswater
[04:01] <DarkRavenMixage> how to enable ed2k protocol on konqueror?
[04:01] <winbond> svivian:
[04:01] <exceswater> ok
[04:01] <exceswater> did it
[04:01] <exceswater> now ?
[04:01] <Kadran> exceswater: after a while you will hate to see a pc running windows
[04:01] <exceswater> i allready hate it
[04:02] <exceswater> :D
[04:02] <trizzton> ohhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhh
[04:02] <exceswater> i like linux
[04:02] <exceswater> i love it
[04:02] <trizzton> linux Rulz
[04:02] <exceswater> only problem is that i am noob to it
[04:02] <exceswater> but it rulez
[04:02] <RogueJediX> exceswater: Now? Now it should run
[04:02] <trizzton> yeahhhhhhhh everybody is always learning in linux
[04:03] <winbond> svivian: when you dpkg-reconfigure it automatically makes a backup of your old file , so if things dont work out just delete the xorg.conf and rename the backup to xorg.conf and reboot x and youre back to where youre started
[04:03] <exceswater> something started
[04:03] <exceswater> :D
[04:03] <RogueJediX> exceswater: That would be Enemy Territory. Enjoy.
[04:03] <Kadran> DarkRavenMixage: i usually do copy and paste :D
[04:03] <svivian> trizzton: My problem is that I don't know specifically which parts I do and don't need. I was hoping someone had done something similar and knew what didn't need to be there.
[04:03] <DarkRavenMixage> kadran so there is no way? i'm able to configure under firefox but not under konqueor and i like konqueror LOL
[04:04] <svivian> winbond: I think I have that already from aticonfigure. I just looked, and there are three other xorg files in addition to the active .conf file.
[04:04] <trizzton> you are using an ati card right ?
[04:04] <Kadran> DarkRavenMixage: me too konqueror is more than a browser ;)
[04:04] <DarkRavenMixage> kadran very fast
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> You can use the gecko rendering engine in konqueror apparantly
[04:05] <svivian> trizzton: Yes, I have a fireGL V3100
[04:05] <RogueJediX> h3sp4wn: You can?
[04:05] <trizzton> just use logic svivian and compare and find out ,  i am still new to linux and use a lot logic
[04:05] <Samuli^> konqueror looks fine for me in gnome
[04:05] <winbond> svivian: yeah , when you do the --aticonf it also makes a backup,  .original, kubuntu just puts dates in the name at the end of the file
[04:05] <Samuli^> jsut like it looks in KDE
[04:05] <jaims> bye!
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> Don't know exactly how to do it but there is a tutorial somewhere
[04:06] <klerfayt> flash screwed adept somehow if I run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" I get "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ..." and nothing else happens
[04:06] <exceswater> well
[04:06] <exceswater> the game is installed
[04:06] <trizzton> i use nvidia cardsssss they work great in linux svivian
[04:06] <exceswater> it crashed somewhere
[04:06] <exceswater> but  :D is ok
[04:07] <trizzton> well guys time to go to work
[04:07] <svivian> trizzton: This V3100 worked fine under Breezy. I only upgraded because kdesu stopped working, and Dapper has several stability fixes and features I like.
[04:07] <winbond> svivian: thats all i can tell you ,i havent set up dual monitor yet
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> trizzton: What nvidia card would I need for equivalent performance to a radeon 9800pro under linux ? Would a 4 pipes nvidia be faster than what I already have ?
[04:07] <Samuli^> klerfayt, how about sudo apt-get --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:08] <Samuli^> umm add install to that.
[04:09] <RogueJediX> Actually, I think that's it, if you want flash. I told Konqueror to scan for new plugins after I installed it and it detected it just fine. Go figger.
[04:09] <svivian> Another issue I just ran into: I can't install the Foomatic drivers. I keep getting an error that the driver isn't available or I don't have rights. Since I am installing in Admin mode, the rights issue shouldn't be the problem. Foomatic is installed.
[04:09] <trizzton> dunno brother but i only use nvidia cards they don't bother me freaking drivers like the ati ones
[04:09] <trizzton> well bye guys
[04:10] <klerfayt> Samuli^: E: Invalid operation flashplugin-nonfree
[04:10] <Samuli^> klerfayt, how about sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:10] <RogueJediX> klerfayt: You forgot install
[04:11] <klerfayt> RogueJediX: forgot what?
[04:11] <klerfayt> RogueJediX: I tried to install flashplugin-nonfree, adept hanged at 93% I rebooted, and now /var/lib/dpkg/ is locked
[04:11] <RogueJediX> klerfayt: What Samuli^ just said. You did sudo apt-get --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree, but you forgot to put "install" after "apt-get"
[04:12] <RogueJediX> klerfayt: Oh. Then nevermind. A bit out of my league, I think
[04:12] <klerfayt> how to unlock dpkg ?
[04:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hey, somebody can help me with a udev rule file for the IPOD?
[04:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i used the following rule line: BUS=="scsi", SYSFS{vendor}="Apple*", SYSFS{model}="ipod*", KERNEL="sd?2", SYMLINK+="ipod"
[04:13] <Samuli^> klerfayt, hmm.. sudo init 1  and then sudo init 2 :) <-- It's almost a reboot
[04:14] <Samuli^> other than that you could see if you have adept or other package manager still running in the background.. if they're zombies I don't know how to get rid of them.
[04:14] <klerfayt> Samuli^: I'll reboot
[04:16] <praet> how do you switch between gnome and kde?
[04:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ipod
[04:17] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[04:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !udev
[04:17] <ubotu> [udev]  a server used in Ubuntu (and other distros) that manages device nodes
[04:18] <klerfayt> I have to run "dpkg --configure -a" and now it hanged again "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (7.0.63.3ubuntu3) ..."
[04:19] <svivian> !Foomatic
[04:19] <ubotu> svivian: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:19] <john> ii cant type with keyboard after logging in
[04:19] <john> [10:18]  <-- exceswater
[04:19] <john> [10:18]  <-- exceswater
[04:19] <john> [10:18]  <-- exceswater
[04:19] <john> [10:18]  <-- exceswater
[04:22] <obscurite> is kwifimanager the best app for finding/connecting to random access points? on mine, the switch to network button doesn't even work
[04:26] <john> Please help Please I have to paste letters from mouse into  tthe window
[04:26] <john> r
[04:26] <john> [
[04:26] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[04:26] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[04:29] <klerfayt> what does it mean if I run sudo dpkg --configure -a and it is still showing the same message 10 minutes later "Setting up flashplugin-nonfree"
[04:30] <defrysk> klerfayt, you need to accept the agreement somwhere
[04:31] <svivian> john: do you have a USB mouse and a PS2 keyboard?
[04:31] <klerfayt> defrysk: nope
[04:31] <defrysk> klerfayt, why are you running that command ?
[04:31] <john> Please help with keyboard no respond
[04:31] <john> .
[04:31] <john> [
[04:32] <klerfayt> defrysk: cause I have to then I try "apt-get update"
[04:32] <klerfayt> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1263/snapshot26sa.png
[04:32] <svivian> john: I found that if I had mixed connector types, one or the other wouldn't function. Try using hardware with the same connectors (assuming you aren't already).
[04:32] <john> no PS2 keyboard and mouse
[04:32] <john> .
[04:32] <john> [
[04:32] <|lostbyte|> john, Pls paste your xorg.conf file to pastebin.
[04:33] <john> uh how
[04:33] <john> .
[04:33] <john> [
[04:33] <defrysk> klerfayt, see if there is a a tiny something in you panel or whatever what needs to be checked as ik ok'd
[04:34] <svivian> john: Stupid question, but does it work elsewhere (such as before you get into the desktop)?
[04:34] <defrysk> klerfayt, also make sure synaptic is not running and stuff
[04:34] <|lostbyte|> john, Copy the $cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin.com
[04:34] <DarkRavenMixage> does kubuntu got automatic updates? if yes where i can check them?
[04:34] <klerfayt> defrysk: the problem is that dpkg is locked
[04:34] <john> i cant type with keyboard after logging in
[04:34] <john> [
[04:35] <defrysk> klerfayt, and how did that happen
[04:35] <svivian> john: as |lostbyte is suggesting, that sounds like an xorg configuration problem.
[04:36] <svivian> Anyone here know anything about Foomatic printer drivers? I can't seem to get any to install, even in Admin mode.
[04:36] <defrysk> klerfayt, stop that proces and try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:37] <svivian> Alternatively, how can I configure a printer from the command line?
[04:37] <klerfayt> defrysk: adept is killed (sudo killall adept)
[04:37] <defrysk> klerfayt, stop any apt proces and try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:37] <klerfayt> defrysk: how?
[04:37] <klerfayt> defrysk: kill all apt?
[04:38] <defrysk> alt-q
[04:38] <defrysk> or ctrl-c
[04:40] <john> http://pastebin.com/708550
[04:40] <john> .
[04:40] <john> [
[04:40] <DeadS0ul> my WoW account expired agian
[04:41] <jpatrick> Woman Of War?
[04:41] <klerfayt> hmm I guess I'm screwed now
[04:41] <defrysk> wiches of weastwick
[04:42] <john> what to do
[04:42] <john> ?
[04:42] <john> [
[04:43] <DeadS0ul> Wash or Wipe =|
[04:51] <john> hmm I guess I'm screwed too
[04:53] <winbond> !flash
[04:53] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:53] <john> Please help Please
[04:53] <winbond> whats up
[04:54] <winbond> anyone fixes the sound lag in the flash player?
[04:54] <winbond> ed
[04:54] <john> i cant type with keyboard after logging in
[04:55] <Nightwish1986> Hello there, I'm having troubles with my sound, it is working, but with an annoying beep in it. I already tried asound.conf and muting some channels, but no luck :( Anyone an Idea?
[04:55] <|lostbyte|> john, uname -r ?
[04:55] <Tomze> winbond: try to select another sound output for your browser maybe...
[04:56] <winbond> Tomze: where is that settings for the konquere?
[04:56] <perrin> hi
[04:56] <perrin> does anyone know how to set the default sound card in kubuntu?
[04:56] <john> i cant type with keyboard at term
[04:57] <winbond> Tomze: i found the setting for firefox, it was off , i changed it to auto, only one option left
[04:57] <Tomze> winbond: uhhh.... dont ask about konqueror
[04:57] <apokryphos> john: have you tried reconfiguring your X?
[04:57] <winbond> !keyboard
[04:57] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, winbond
[04:58] <ruggy> from what distro did you all convert to ubuntu from?
[04:58] <winbond> Tomze: what outputs are there?
[04:58] <john> i have dapper installed ?
[04:58] <Tomze> winbond: with firefox you can change sound output/engine in  /usr/bin/firefox  but dont know about konqueror
[04:58] <apokryphos> john: ctrl+alt+f1 -> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:59] <xst> After dapper was released the number of updates has wanished to almost nothing compared to the amount of updates in the RC/beta phase. There are, however, still tons of bugs so does anyone know why the number of upgrades has flattened out?
[04:59] <Tomze> winbond: i use this for firefox :  FIREFOX_DSP=audiooss
[05:00] <r0xz> does anyone have a recommendation for a commandline rip tool that can rip a trailer (only 1:30minutes) of a cd number?
[05:00] <DaSkreechTwo> xst: Because it is stabalized
[05:00] <john> ctrl+alt+f1 no work
[05:00] <r0xz> i tried abcde, but i can't find out how to make it rip a trailer
[05:01] <Tomze> kaffeine is great at ripping streams...
[05:01] <winbond> Tomze: is audiooss something i have to install?
[05:01] <xst> DaSkreechTwo: Hmm, ok. What does stabilized mean? Is it only bugfixes that hits the repositories now, or what?
[05:01] <DaSkreechTwo> xst: Right and then only once they have been tested off the main repos
[05:01] <xst> ok. Thanks
[05:01] <Tomze> winbond: i dont think you will have to install anything... just pick the right output for konqueror (which i dont know how to do)
[05:02] <DaSkreechTwo> Anyone who has gone through the days before update Tuesday knows how bad it is to get updates every day
[05:02] <Nightwish1986> Hello there, I'm having troubles with my sound, it is working, but with an annoying beep in it. I already tried asound.conf and muting some channels, but no luck :( Anyone an Idea?
[05:02] <winbond> Tomze: ok , thanks man
[05:02] <r0xz> Tomze: no i need to rip a audio-cd of my parents (yes they are the copyright holders...)
[05:02] <Tomze> r0xz: and kaudiocreator is not an option?
[05:03] <DaSkreechTwo> Does anyone know how I can mount the debs from the Desktop CD?
[05:03] <Romeo5k>  konq is so dam slow to me
[05:03] <jpatrick> DaSkreechTwo: what?
[05:04] <jpatrick> DaSkreechTwo: apt-cdrom add
[05:04] <svivian> john: open a terminal, put in sudo su -, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:04] <DaSkreechTwo> jpatrick: ah Coolness :-)
[05:04] <svivian> john: that should allow you to redetect the keyboard
[05:04] <DaSkreechTwo> Wait. not totally what I want
[05:05] <r0xz> Tomze: not really, it lacks configuration and trailers are a no go again. abcde is just beautifull, just as jack, but i need to do it a trailer. (i know i can do it manually...)
[05:05] <svivian> DaSkreechTwo: in adept, on the file tab, go to manage repositories, add the cdrom if it isn't already there, then enable it.
[05:06] <neoncode> Does anyone know how to set flags in sudoers?
[05:06] <DaSkreechTwo> svivian: Again not quite what I want :-)
[05:06] <DaSkreechTwo> The computer I'm on throws a Kernel panic as soon as it boots
[05:07] <pape> hi all
[05:07] <DaSkreechTwo> I want to get the kernel deb from the CDRom and install it under a chroot
[05:07] <DaSkreechTwo> I have the CDRom mounted but the debs should all be under pool?
[05:09] <pape> can someone help me?
[05:09] <DaSkreechTwo> !helpme
[05:10] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[05:10] <pape> i have problem with apt-get
[05:10] <pape> can't download repository
[05:11] <DaSkreechTwo> Are you connected to the net?
[05:11] <DaSkreechTwo> Sorry Dumb Question :)
[05:11] <pape> of course i am
[05:11] <pape> :)
[05:12] <DaSkreechTwo> pape: You can't download any repository or just some?
[05:12] <pape> can't any
[05:12] <leafw> !xgl
[05:12] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:12] <DaSkreechTwo> !aiglx
[05:12] <ubotu> aiglx is, like, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145068
[05:12] <DaSkreechTwo> Coolness :)
[05:13] <leafw> has anyone installed xgl on powerpc laptops ?
[05:13] <DaSkreechTwo> Ok back to you pape :-) This is through apt-get right?
[05:13] <pape> right
[05:14] <DaSkreechTwo> Hmm can you ping the sites that are hosting the repos?
[05:14] <DaSkreechTwo> archive.ubuntu.com etc?
[05:15] <pape> everything work fine but apt-get doesn't
[05:15] <pape> and can ping
[05:15] <pape> can't connect with apt-get only
[05:15] <DaSkreechTwo> has it always been like this?
[05:16] <pape> 64 bytes from www.archive.ubuntu.com (85.133.25.7): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=66.1 ms
[05:16] <pape> just instaled dapper
[05:17] <DaSkreechTwo> Ah ok and it worked okie-dokie in breezy?
[05:18] <pape> didn't have breezy, i have been on slackware
[05:19] <ticc> hi there. i have upgraded from breezy to dapper and now i'm unable to run mozilla firefox. It gives me just "bus error". I tried do reinstall that app with --purge option but it didn't help. What should i do?
[05:19] <DaSkreechTwo> Ah ok.. hmm
[05:19] <Samuli^> did you have your first firefox from the repos?
[05:20] <Samuli^> try 'firefox' with terminal
[05:20] <DaSkreechTwo> pape: for a laugh can you try sudo aptitude update
[05:21] <ticc> Samuli^: when running it in terminal it give "bus error"
[05:21] <ticc> Samuli^: what does it mean?
[05:21] <Samuli^> ticc, no idea.
[05:21] <ticc> :(
[05:22] <ticc> marshal_1: tutaj tez nie wiedza :P
[05:22] <pape> no everything same
[05:22] <marshal_1> :(
[05:22] <Samuli^> ticc, other than that you had your firefox outside from the repos in breezy and now it looks for something like /opt/firefox
[05:22] <Samuli^> ticc, no hurt seeing if that directory exists.
[05:22] <ticc> Samuli^: firefox was installed in /usr/share/xxx
[05:24] <pape> DaSkreeechTwo : i got this Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0)
[05:24] <DaSkreechTwo> pape: Ooook
[05:25] <DaSkreechTwo> Thats not the right ip address I'll bet
[05:25] <DaSkreechTwo> ping us.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <Samuli^> ticc, try ./usr/bin/firefox to see if it still has the same problem.
[05:25] <jpatrick> ticc: your porn dir?
[05:26] <ticc> eeee... "porn dir"?
[05:26] <Samuli^> 'xxx' :)
[05:27] <DaSkreechTwo> Hmm how can I connect to a protocol in Kopete without the keyboard?
[05:27] <DaSkreechTwo> Without the mouse sorry
[05:28] <svivian> brb
[05:31] <DaSkreechTwo> ok
[05:31] <obscurite> if make is failing to find X11/Intrinsic.h and X11/StringDefs.h then what dependency am i missing? I have xserver-xorg-dev
[05:32] <DaSkreechTwo> Ok So I've currently done a chroot to the hard drive, apt-cdrom added the live CD, commented out all repos, done an update, and I still can't see a new kernel
[05:33] <DaSkreechTwo> :-|
[05:34] <DaSkreechTwo> There isn't a kernel on the CD?>
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know if the DesktopCd has a Linux kernel on it?
[05:42] <hangfire> yes, why wouldnt it?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> cause I can't find it?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Yes that's a silly reason but I'd like ot be proven wrong :)
[05:43] <hangfire> the kernal IS the OS, thats like starting up a car and asking if it has an engine
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:44] <DaSkreech> but I want the kernel deb to install on another computer
[05:44] <DaSkreech> plus assorted headers etc
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I can find Kernel headers and thats about it
[05:47] <gnutonio> hi!
[05:48] <visik7> !universe
[05:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[05:48] <obscurite> how do you run an x application from a non login or root shell? even when i set DISPLAY i get errors. this is sometimes needed for installations that need to hook up with X11
[05:48] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[05:48] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:50] <apokryphos> obscurite: not sure I understand right... when you login via ssh, do you want the X app to come up on your computer, or theirs?
[05:50] <obscurite> apokryphos - let's say i open a root shell in konsole. i want to run xeyes. i set DISPLAY to :0 (same as my non root user). when i run xeyes i get errors about protocols, can't open display, etc
[05:51] <obscurite> apokryphos - which is normally no big deal i cause i can run any x app with kdesu or sudo, but sometimes you DO need to run an x app directly as root for certain automated installation scripts
[05:52] <apokryphos> obscurite: I believe that's covered on the sudo wiki page. Have you checked there?
[05:52] <obscurite> apokryphos - just googled so far and found some ugly workarounds. i'll check there.
[05:53] <apokryphos> obscurite: X logins are of course disabled automatically in Ubuntu. I really recommend just reading the proper wiki page
[05:56] <edulix> hi !
[05:56] <edulix> I've connected via ssh to my pc
[05:57] <edulix> and I want to execute remotely an app to be shown in the remote pc
[05:57] <edulix> I've tried this: SCREEN=:0 kdialog --yesno "test"
[05:57] <apokryphos> edulix: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[05:57] <edulix> ok
[05:58] <apokryphos> then: xeyes & kdialog --msgbox "I'm watching you"
[05:58] <apokryphos> ;-)
[05:58] <edulix> thanks
[06:02] <flapane> hi
[06:02] <flapane> i have problems with new 2.6.16vanilla http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=196524
[06:14] <ninHer> hi all
[06:20] <Paul_Lagrange> hi
[06:21] <skipster23> i'm having trouble watching windows media content on the web i have mplayer and i still get this error "totem could not play 'fd://0'.   Only a subtitle strem was detected bla bla bla.
[06:22] <skipster23> can anyone help
[06:22] <ninHer> seems some plug in left to install
[06:22] <skipster23> they are all installed at least all the ones from the mplayer website
[06:26] <Paul_Lagrange> does lm-sensors can screw up every video output?
[06:26] <[BU] Brizz> does anyone know if I can run a Windows program from an NTFS share using Wine?
[06:30] <BazziR> [BU] Brizz: should do
[06:31] <eclypse> hey all
[06:31] <eclypse> has anyone had any luck installing the theme baghira and it actually working?
[06:32] <eclypse> because I compiled a theme from source then installed it and it doesn't seem to be working...
[06:32] <cox377> how easy is it to actually install themes onto linux
[06:32] <cox377> has anyone ever used XPDE?
[06:32] <eclypse> not nearly as easy as windows.
[06:32] <cox377> lol
[06:32] <eclypse> I haven't.
[06:32] <eclypse> but, windows sucks lol
[06:32] <cox377> how easy is it to install??
[06:32] <eclypse> I have no idea yet
[06:32] <cox377> lol... windows plays game..
[06:33] <cox377> ; )
[06:33] <eclypse> I havent successfully installed one and made it work
[06:33] <cox377> anyone know how to get games running under linux??
[06:33] <cox377> such as counter strike source ;)
[06:33] <[BU] Brizz> cox377: depends on the game
[06:33] <DaSkreech> apt-get install supertux
[06:33] <DaSkreech> well if you have the source ...
[06:33] <cox377> supertux?
[06:33] <[BU] Brizz> cox377: CS:S is questionable because it runs on Steam
[06:34] <cox377> is there a decent medium to run games??
[06:34] <eclypse> supertux?
[06:34] <eclypse> cedega
[06:34] <cox377> are the producers of these games making them linux compat?
[06:34] <eclypse> not really
[06:35] <eclypse> only one I've seen is unreal tournament 2004.
[06:35] <[BU] Brizz> Cedega is the best but still not great
[06:35] <eclypse> too true.
[06:35] <eclypse> also, if you want to get it for free...www.limewire.com
[06:35] <cox377> what is cedega?
[06:35] <eclypse> its a windows emulation program
[06:35] <eclypse> built specificly for games
[06:35] <[BU] Brizz> It's a Windows Application Layer "Emulator"
[06:35] <cox377> Ahhh
[06:35] <[BU] Brizz> but it's not really an emulator according to them, it actually runs the application layer
[06:35] <cox377> Is it any good?
[06:35] <[BU] Brizz> it's okay
[06:35] <[BU] Brizz> but noticeably slower than Windows
[06:36] <cox377> Ahhh
[06:36] <goldenear> limewire ... hu... why to use it ?
[06:36] <goldenear> it's full of spyware
[06:36] <eclypse> so you can get cedega for free
[06:36] <eclypse> yes
[06:36] <eclypse> thats why you avoid the spyware
[06:36] <[BU] Brizz> BitTorrent
[06:36] <cox377> lol.. is there a limewire version of linux?
[06:36] <eclypse> eventually you become acustom to filesizes and all that
[06:36] <DaSkreech> eclypse: all id games are Linuxish
[06:36] <eclypse> bit torrent doesn't have nearly the diversity as limewire does.
[06:36] <eclypse> and its not as fast
[06:36] <[BU] Brizz> all id and Epic Games will suport Linux
[06:36] <DaSkreech> goldenear: Get Frostwire
[06:36] <eclypse> limewire is the best for seeking out specific files
[06:36] <[BU] Brizz> meh Limewire sucks
[06:36] <eclypse> not necesssarally
[06:37] <[BU] Brizz> it's just like Kazaa
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !tell goldenear about frostwire
[06:37] <eclypse> not even.
[06:37] <[BU] Brizz> 90% fake files by now too
[06:37] <goldenear> but you don't need limewire, you can use lmdonkey, or even shareaza if you want a win app
[06:37] <cox377> Does likewire run on linux?
[06:37] <eclypse> hell no dude
[06:37] <eclypse> limewire..I think so
[06:37] <eclypse> believe me dude
[06:37] <eclypse> I use it alot
[06:37] <eclypse> its only about 30% spyware/viruses
[06:37] <cox377> limewire is so bad.,. limewire messes up 100's of windows machines that i;ve seen
[06:37] <DaSkreech> cox377: Its java it runs on anything that java runs on
[06:37] <eclypse> and its easy to avoid the viruses
[06:37] <[BU] Brizz> 60% fake files
[06:37] <eclypse> well, thats because people are idiots
[06:37] <eclypse> and can't tell fake from real
[06:38] <[BU] Brizz> I tried to get Max Payne on Limewire once, and four out of five files were different games/music/movies/crap
[06:38] <eclypse> I KNOW the difference
[06:38] <eclypse> you see a 800KB exe
[06:38] <eclypse> its a virus.
[06:38] <eclypse> only download zip files for prorams
[06:38] <eclypse> programs
[06:38] <eclypse> most everything in the 800 kb range is a virus
[06:38] <[BU] Brizz> eclypse: I'm not that stupid. The files I downloaded were all within 40mb of each other
[06:38] <eclypse> well
[06:38] <eclypse> you must have severelly bad luck
[06:39] <eclypse> what was the filetype?
[06:39] <[BU] Brizz> no, there's just tons of fake crap on there
[06:39] <eclypse> ic.
[06:39] <eclypse> well, since I'm obviously not going to change your opinion/perspective on the matter, I'm gonna change the subject.
[06:40] <[BU] Brizz> I tried to download an mp3 once and I downloaded it about 20 times and they were all fake/broken
[06:40] <eclypse> that sucks
[06:40] <eclypse> well
[06:40] <eclypse> torrents are good for songs
[06:40] <eclypse> and downloading full albums
[06:40] <eclypse> well
[06:40] <eclypse> not songs in particular
[06:40] <eclypse> but full albums
[06:40] <[BU] Brizz> torrents have been good for whatever I want
[06:40] <eclypse> and discographys
[06:40] <eclypse> thats good.
[06:40] <eclypse> they haven't always been good for me
[06:40] <cox377> Yeh that's it.. with big commercial music brands i've heard a lot of people use limewire
[06:40] <[BU] Brizz> never had a fake file
[06:40] <eclypse> limewire is better for me when I'm seeking out the files that nobody has
[06:41] <cox377> Opps
[06:41] <cox377> use torrents
[06:41] <cox377> but with the smaller less known bands limewire
[06:41] <eclypse> exactly
[06:42] <eclypse> anyone gotten the Baghira theme working on KDE?
[06:42] <flapa> me
[06:42] <flapa> just install baghira from repos
[06:42] <flapa> and select it into kde panel
[06:42] <flapa> and compile finderbar, if you want
[06:42] <eclypse> k
[06:42] <eclypse> its in the repos?
[06:42] <flapa> sure
[06:43] <eclypse> can you give me a link/term?
[06:43] <flapa> of what
[06:43] <eclypse> baghira
[06:43] <eclypse> I couldn't use apt-get, it said package not found
[06:43] <v3ctor> sudo aptitude install baghira
[06:43] <LjL> !info baghira
[06:43] <eclypse> k
[06:43] <LjL> !info kwin-baghira
[06:43] <ubotu> kwin-baghira: (KDE theme for Apple junkies :)), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.7a-1build2 (dapper), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB
[06:43] <eclypse> whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[06:43] <LjL> !aptitude
[06:44] <ubotu> aptitude is another front-end to apt, like apt-get, adept and Synaptic.  Unlike them, aptitude remembers what dependencies were installed with a package and can remove them if you uninstall. It also has a (somewhat buggy) text-mode interface.
[06:44] <flapa> :)
[06:45] <[BU] Brizz> hey is there any way to view the contents of a lnk file?
[06:45] <eclypse> icon files?
[06:45] <[BU] Brizz> ?
[06:45] <[BU] Brizz> an lnk file is a windows shortcut
[06:46] <LjL> [BU] Brizz: "hd filename"
[06:46] <eclypse> hmm, what would there be to view?
[06:46] <eclypse> paths?
[06:46] <flapa> did anyone had cat /proc/cpuinfo problems with 2.6.16 vanilla?
[06:46] <Tomze> eclypse: read aptitudes nan page on options how to leave out suggested packages
[06:46] <[BU] Brizz> the path it is linking to
[06:47] <eclypse> ic.
[06:47] <[BU] Brizz> Illustrator is stupid, it puts it's EXE like 20 folders deep...
[06:47] <eclypse> I'm installing baghira right now, I'm on dialup and I'm getting the dialup from another computer so its extremely laggy so yeah..I can't really talk too much till it finishes.
[06:50] <bobesponja> hey all
[06:50] <bobesponja> I installed kblogger but I can't start it
[06:51] <bobesponja> it's called kicker-kblogger actually, is that the same app that is on kde-apps.org.
[06:51] <bobesponja> ?
[06:53] <charlie5> after a fresh install, how do i get amarok or kaffeine to play music ?
[06:53] <eclypse> baghira is pretty nice :)
[06:54] <bobesponja> charlie5: it does play music, only non patented format because those are illegal on free software such as kubuntu
[06:54] <bobesponja> charlie5: so mp3 no but ogg yes
[06:54] <eclypse> that hela sucks
[06:55] <eclypse> mp3 is patented?
[06:55] <Olegs> Anybody received free CDs with 6.06 ?
[06:55] <charlie5> bobesponja: ah, ok, thanks ... how would i play an mp3 then ?
[06:55] <eclypse> I haven't yet
[06:55] <cox377_> bloody power cut
[06:55] <eclypse> but I haven't checked the mail in 2 days so
[06:55] <bobesponja> charlie5: you need to add universe to your source
[06:59] <charlie5> bobesponja: i think i have dapper universe in adept repos manager.
[07:05] <bobesponja> charlie5: then type mp3 in adept search box and install libmad or lame
[07:10] <pussfeller> when i right click on the desktop, its hanging
[07:11] <pussfeller> like muchlonger than usual
[07:11] <pussfeller> like its been about 10 minutes !
[07:11] <pussfeller> i suspect this is storage device or smb share related...
[07:12] <pussfeller> like in the "copy to" there might be a recent file on the 200g fat device
[07:12] <pussfeller> err recnet dir
[07:17] <charlie5> bobesponja: libmad doesn't seem to have helped (unless i need to log out/in again) ... i can only find 'toolame' ... guess i'll give that a try
[07:18] <bobesponja> charlie5: are yo sure you have libmad?
[07:18] <bobesponja> charlie5: I mean universe
[07:19] <r0xz> guys, when i do this: "cdparanoia "1[00:00.00] -[1:30] " track1.wav" i get a skitmark at the end of the file (stops two times) Is there anything i can do agains that?
[07:19] <charlie5> bobesponja: libmad0 is installed
[07:19] <bobesponja> charlie5: ok then try to install libxine-extracodecs from universe
[07:23] <charlie5> bobesponja: libxine-extracodecs is not found by adept ... maybe my universe setting is screwy ? ... altho there are other packages from universe there ... what about multiverse, could that help ?
[07:25] <bobesponja> charlie5: no it's not there sorry, try libakode2-mpeg it should be there
[07:25] <Scorpmoon> i put in the kubuntu desktop cd, and it's stopped at the kubuntu logo now
[07:25] <Scorpmoon> how do I know what the error is
[07:26] <bobesponja> Scorpmoon: what speed did you use to burn your cd?
[07:26] <Scorpmoon> 24x
[07:26] <bobesponja> Scorpmoon: kubuntu cds have lots of files and this is too much for lots of burner at that speed, try 4x or 8x
[07:27] <Scorpmoon> ok
[07:27] <bobesponja> Scorpmoon: try to run the CD from windows first to see
[07:27] <Scorpmoon> right
[07:27] <Tomze> md5summer.org
[07:30] <charlie5> bobesponja: hmm, i installed libakode2-mpeg, but still no joy.
[07:33] <Riddell> !paste
[07:33] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel! Use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting long texts as it does not distrupt the channel. You might also want to install the "webboard" package from Universe.
[07:33] <r0xz> something weird is going on in this channel....
[07:39] <obscurite> not _strictly_ a k/ubuntu question, but i'm building a box that will run k/ubuntu and the ATX12V power supply connector (20 pin) is a few pins shorter than the microatx motherboard power connector. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
[07:40] <ChefWill> get an extender then obscurite
[07:40] <obscurite> ChefWill - ahh, is that what I need?
[07:40] <ChefWill> yes
[07:40] <ChefWill> they make like 4-6" extenders
[07:41] <charlie5> bobesponja: no luck so far, but thanks for the help ... i'll try again tomorrow ... cheers
[07:41] <obscurite> ChefWIll - thanks. what's the longer connector on the microatx board called?
[07:41] <ChefWill> anyone know the applet name for knetworkmanager?
[07:42] <ChefWill> oh nm
[07:42] <ChefWill> ;o
[07:42] <Scorpmoon> bobesponja, i can view the kubuntu files from windows
[07:42] <morph_> bonsoir
[07:42] <morph_> oups bad chan , bye :)
[07:44] <obscurite> Chefwill - looks like i know what to order, thanks agin
[07:44] <ChefWill> np
[07:46] <flo> Hi ! Should a webcam basicly work on ubuntu-server or is there maybe something missing from the kernel ?
[07:49] <Tomze> flo: maybe you need the driver.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/spca50x could be the one
[07:50] <flo> yeah i have a driver and it works on my regular ubuntu laptop but not on my other pc which is running ubuntu-server so i was wondering if there might just be no webcam support in the server version of ubuntu
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Hello all.. anyone used KDE and its bluetooth feature to browse files on a phone? I can see the  dirs but cant browse them right
[07:51] <Tomze> flo: dot know.. i dont use ubuntu
[07:51] <flo> Tomze: ok thanx anyway
[07:51] <ChefWill> where is the session preferences/startup programs option in kubuntu? its not the same as ubuntu and the guide on the kubuntu side is for ubuntu
[07:53] <Tomze> ChefWill: /home/user/.kde/Autostart ? if thats what you mean
[07:54] <ChefWill> is there no gui program to configure session/startup progs?
[07:54] <Tomze> ChefWill: startup what ?... firefox og apache or ?
[07:54] <ChefWill> no just programs
[07:56] <Tomze> ChefWill:  if you plcae a shortcut for a program in /home/user/.kde/Autostart it will start when the user log into kde... but i dont think thats what your looking for
[07:56] <ChefWill> i guess that will work
[07:56] <ChefWill> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AddingProgramToSessionStartup?highlight=%28startup%29 is the guide, but thats for ubuntu
[07:57] <ChefWill> was seeing if there was an equivalent program, but i dont see one
[07:57] <CaBlGuY> wuttup peeps..
[07:57] <CaBlGuY> :p
[07:57] <CaBlGuY> I'm totally winblowz free now..  :)
[07:57] <Scorpmoon> My Kubuntu stops loading in the middle, files seems fine from windows
[07:58] <Scorpmoon> im going back to Ubuntu then :(
[07:59] <Tomze> yes.. installing another distro is alway better then finding a solution Scorpmoon ;)
[07:59] <Scorpmoon> i was going to check out if Kubuntu had better Xgl support
[07:59] <Scorpmoon> Ubuntu was my main choice
[07:59] <fatejudger> I refuse to help people who are that ambigous
[08:00] <fatejudger> "stops in the middle" doesn't help me figure out what's going on
[08:00] <Scorpmoon> lol you're not the first
[08:00] <Scorpmoon> well i dont get any output
[08:00] <fatejudger> XGL is in alpha
[08:00] <Scorpmoon> it just stops loading
[08:00] <fatejudger> you shouldn't be using it on your main workstation
[08:00] <Scorpmoon> i think windows are slow to update when dragging in Ubuntu
[08:03] <andrew_> How do you get firefox on Kubuntu?
[08:03] <Ashex> I keep getting this error whenever I install something with apt: http://pastebin.com/708989
[08:03] <Ashex> So far it hasn't caused any actual problems, but It's making me really curious
[08:03] <Ashex> andrew_: use apt
[08:05] <Ashex> On another note, I can't play matroska videos :/
[08:05] <Ashex> I keep getting a codec error
[08:06] <crimsun_> Ashex: with which player?
[08:06] <Ashex> all of the ones that come with kubuntu
[08:07] <Ashex> vlc, mplayer, and kaffeine
[08:07] <crimsun_> that's odd. What base type is the mkv?
[08:07] <r0xz> Ashex: my experience with mkv under linux aren't good either, but mplayer seems to get the best results here (that is, it doesn't shock but it still has problems with audio sync)
[08:08] <Vose> Anyone know about the issues with KArm it is crasshing and not working properly? e.g. does not record time
[08:08] <Ashex> Heh, I can't get the audio to sync with any videos I play in linux
[08:08] <Vose> crash report siad signal 11 or something like that
[08:09] <fatejudger> Ashex: you're outputting to ALSA and using Xine, right?
[08:09] <r0xz> crimsun_: mkv is matroska, it can contain lots of codecs i believe
[08:09] <Ashex> I believe I am
[08:09] <fatejudger> Ashex: because sometimes those OSS-ALSA compatibilty layers lag audio
[08:09] <crimsun_> r0xz: yes, that's why I asked for the base type.
[08:09] <r0xz> i see
[08:10] <Ashex> Where would I double check these settings?
[08:11] <r0xz> crimsun_: for what's worth, x264 never works here
[08:11] <crimsun_> r0xz: for any player?
[08:11] <r0xz> always out of sync
[08:11] <r0xz> yes, any player
[08:11] <Lpadmin> What does this mean: "cupsd: Child exited with status 1!"?
[08:11] <crimsun_> r0xz: not much we can do about that until edgy opens.
[08:12] <r0xz> mplayer seems to get it resynced after some time, but fails again in a few
[08:12] <Nightwish1986> Hello! Can somebody help me with my sound? It sounds scratchy with a high beep... I tried asound.conf and muting some channels in alsamixer, but no luck. Using AD1986A (alsa) on ubuntu dapper 6.06
[08:12] <r0xz> not that i use that codec much ;)
[08:13] <larson9999> ok, now to get cups www admin thingie working
[08:13] <larson9999> then i'll be just about reading to recommend this distro
[08:13] <crimsun_> Nightwish1986: pastebin ``lspci -{n,}v && cat /proc/asound/cards /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc* && amixer''
[08:13] <crimsun_> gah
[08:13] <crimsun_> way to stick around.
[08:17] <BlSabbatH> hi
[08:17] <BlSabbatH> i need help for eciadsl on kubuntu
[08:22] <obscurite> has anyone had to install their own madwifi with dapper?
[08:24] <fatejudger> obscurite: madwifi comes built into Dapper's kernel
[08:26] <Broxtor> Hi. Anybody here who can help me set up my joystick?
[08:27] <Official_C> I just looked at my memory usage and it says I am using about 370MB out of my 505MB of physical RAM and i am not even doing anything
[08:27] <Broxtor> I've got two axes working, but the throttle doesn't. Instead the POV hat is changing the values of the throttle axes.
[08:27] <BlankB> Which would be better for Kubuntu a nvidia fx-5200 or an ati-radeon 9550?
[08:28] <Official_C> and it is seriously slowing down my computer if i have a video running because it has to deallocate memory so that it doesnt have to use swap spave
[08:28] <Official_C> space*
[08:28] <Tomze> Official_C: *nix use ram different than windows... i there is free ram it will be used / allocated
[08:29] <Official_C> oh, so in Windows, it uses the page file even if its not neccessary?
[08:30] <Tomze> well.. its always in use - but dont be scared if top display all your memmory as used
[08:31] <Tomze> plug in 1 GB and 1 GB will be used
[08:31] <fatejudger> my friend got this Superkaramba widget that showed how much RAM was in use
[08:31] <fatejudger> and he got so freaked out about Linux memory allocation
[08:31] <fatejudger> that he had to turn it off
[08:31] <Tomze> adn 99 was used by superkaramba... lol
[08:31] <Tomze> *99 %
[08:31] <fatejudger> well no, he had 2 gigs of RAM
[08:31] <Tomze> superkaramba is a hog
[08:31] <fatejudger> but Linux caches a shitload of stuff
[08:32] <fatejudger> Superkaramba is really that bad
[08:32] <fatejudger> at least no in 0.39
[08:32] <BlankB> It would be better to have a widget that showed mem in use by processes vs  buffers.
[08:32] <Official_C> Tomze: i noticed that once my physical memory in linux gets down to around 6 or 7 MB, i can then open up as many apps as i want and linux will struggle to deallocate physical memory to be used for these apps, rather than just using the swap partition
[08:32] <fatejudger> *not
[08:32] <Official_C> this just seems unefficient...i dont really understand
[08:32] <fatejudger> Official_C: it's not "struggling" to do anything
[08:32] <Official_C> ends up taking me like 10 seconds to open up firefox
[08:32] <fatejudger> Official_C: how much RAM do you have to begin with?
[08:33] <Official_C> 512 MB
[08:33] <fatejudger> Official_C: yes, well, Firefox sucks in Linux
[08:33] <fatejudger> Official_C: which is why Konqueror is the default web browser for Kubuntu
[08:33] <Ashex> I don't have any problems using firefox in linux
[08:33] <fatejudger> Official_C: and Firefox is about to replaced in Gnome with the default Gnome browser
[08:33] <Tomze> Official_C: well play around with "lsof" and cat/proc/meminfo and so on... i bet there is a meaning to it
[08:33] <fatejudger> Official_C: I can't remember the name off the top of my head
[08:34] <Tomze> seamonkey is great !.. runs much faster on my laptop then firefox
[08:34] <Official_C> ok, thank you both
[08:34] <fatejudger> what is the name of the default Gnome web browser anyway?
[08:35] <Official_C> maybe i will jsut go ahead and get rid of firefox then
[08:35] <defrysk> fatejudger, clueless ?
[08:35] <Official_C> Konqueror does seem faster
[08:35] <fatejudger> Official_C: just try out Konqueror for a little while
[08:35] <fatejudger> Official_C: media plays embedded in there, and it also has adblock
[08:35] <fatejudger> defrysk: heh
[08:35] <fatejudger> defrysk: it's based on Gecko
[08:36] <Official_C> cool
[08:36] <DrBair> fatejudger: epiphany
[08:36] <fatejudger> DrBair: there you go
[08:36] <DrBair> not a bad browser at all IMO
[08:36] <fatejudger> DrBair: aside from the fact that it's GTK
[08:36] <fatejudger> DrBair: and based on Gecko
[08:36] <fatejudger> DrBair: no, nothing at all :P
[08:37] <DrBair> fatejudger: but it works nice
[08:37] <fatejudger> I suppose
[08:37] <DrBair> pretty quick, nice bookmarks and toolbars, crash recovery
[08:37] <DrBair> but I still love Konq, its the reason I could never do Gnome
[08:38] <DrBair> I should start hacking konqueror...
[08:38] <Tomze> seamonkey - swiftfox - flock... all gecko based but when it comes to speed very different from FF.... IMHO
[08:38] <Official_C> when you guys download a package from the internet (not using a package manager), how do you go about installing it?
[08:38] <larson9999> ok, it looks like the cups admin thingie is working
[08:39] <Tomze> Official_C: depends on what kind of package
[08:39] <Official_C> i guess like a tar.gz
[08:39] <fatejudger> Tomze: unless they use different version of Gecko, they all should render pages at relatively the same speed
[08:39] <Tomze> fatejudger: but they dont !
[08:39] <DrBair> Official_C: ./configure, make, make install
[08:39] <fatejudger> Tomze: Swiftfox is of course built for certain processor architectures, so that might be a little different
[08:40] <DrBair> Official_C: of course you'll need a compiler and the necessary dev libraries
[08:40] <Tomze> <-- starts a seamonkey crusade
[08:40] <fatejudger> lol
[08:40] <Official_C> really? they dont just have packages containing executables?
[08:40] <jme__> seamonkey ? is that a web browser ?
[08:40] <fatejudger> Official_C: if it's a package (as in .deb) you can right click to install
[08:41] <Official_C> hmm, never seen a .deb
[08:41] <DrBair> seamonkey is the continuation of the mozilla suite
[08:41] <Official_C> always see tar.gz or rpm
[08:41] <Official_C> or others similar to that
[08:41] <Tomze> jme__: its the new name for mozilla... mozilla foundations community project... and it works with lots of FF plugins
[08:42] <Tomze> but it can be installed only as a browser if you like.... uhhhhm - seamonkey
[08:42] <psyk> im having trouble configure wpa supplicant can anyone help
[08:43] <jme__> Tomze: ah ok so now 'mozilla' is only the organization. and 'seamonkey' = the previously named mozilla program
[08:43] <jme__> ok thanks
[08:43] <Official_C> Tomze: where is ./configure located?
[08:43] <Tomze> jme__: yes... thats about it
[08:44] <Tomze> Official_C: extract it
[08:44] <ste> hey guys, anyone know how to fiddle with X to make it *always* boot straight to kdm? upgraded from breezy to dapper, everytime i boot i go straight to a terminal and i have to hit ctrl+alt+f7 to get to the nice graphical kdm logon. Not a mjor issue but slightly irritating none the less! Any help would be much appreciated :)
[08:45] <Official_C> oh ok
[08:46] <Tomze> Official_C: if you meant seamonkey that is....
[08:46] <Official_C> Tomze: huh?
[08:46] <Official_C> seamonkey?
[08:46] <betty> Goodmorning
[08:47] <betty> I am making a konversation
[08:47] <Tomze> lol... way og here... sounds like your compileing something and not installing seamonkey Official_C
[08:47] <Tomze> hola betty
[08:47] <Official_C> Tomze: actually, im not doing anything, i was just wondering for future reference
[08:48] <defrysk> ste, put kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager (use sudo your favourite txteditor)
[08:48] <Official_C> Tomze: cause so far, i've only been using the package manager
[08:48] <ste> superstar, thanks very much ;)
[08:48] <ste> :)
[08:49] <defrysk>  /usr/bin/kdm even
[08:49] <ste> hmm
[08:49] <psyk> how do i creat a .config file in /etc/?
[08:49] <ste> just checked it out
[08:49] <ste> and its already there
[08:50] <defrysk> ste, then I do not know you could try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-deskop
[08:50] <ste> yeah
[08:50] <defrysk> and see if anything is missing
[08:50] <ste> basically i had to do that
[08:51] <ste> my upgrade breezy-dapper
[08:51] <ste> went pear shaped, i ended up with just fluxbox and no kde
[08:51] <psyk> how do i del files in shell?
[08:51] <ste> i figure thats what has screwed eveything up
[08:51] <psyk> i need to create a .config file
[08:51] <defrysk> psyk, use the rm commmand
[08:52] <psyk> ok well how do i creat .config file?
[08:52] <KuLover> Does anyone have problems playing music wile useing a micraphone.
[08:52] <defrysk> psyk, .config for what ?
[08:53] <ste> well, g2g and make some food, cheers for the advice defrysk :) laters.
[08:53] <Lpadmin> What does it mean when cups says "cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!"
[08:53] <psyk> for wpa supplicant
[08:53] <defrysk> ow , dunno
[08:53] <psyk> i need help configuring wpa supplicant
[08:53] <defrysk> psyk, dont ask me then , sorry
[08:53] <psyk> thank
[08:54] <psyk> can anyone help me with configuring wpa supplicant please
[08:54] <betty> I have a question
[08:55] <defrysk> psyk sudo apt-get install wpagui
[08:55] <defrysk> psyk, gives you a gui to work with
[08:56] <obscurite> man this is killing me. iwconfig shows my ap, essid, key, channel are all set properly, and i can see my network with iwlist scan, but i can't seem to connect
[08:56] <ChefWill> obscurite: is there an applet to control xxms thru a panel?
[08:56] <obscurite> i'm using an atheros on dapper
[08:56] <ChefWill> er, i didnt mean to ask you that obscurite ;P
[08:57] <nico8481> re
[08:57] <obscurite> ChefWill - xmms? it's all about amarok ;)
[08:57] <ChefWill> is there an applet to control xxms thru a panel?
[08:57] <ChefWill> boo
[08:58] <slow-motion> re
[08:58] <obscurite> i'm in linux wifi hell
[08:58] <uniq> chefwill: it's called "media control"
[08:58] <defrysk> ChefWill, xmms-kde
[08:58] <psyk> me to obscurtie
[08:58] <psyk> im just trying to get wpa to work
[08:58] <psyk> damnit
[08:58] <obscurite> psyk - ahh, poor soul
[08:58] <larson9999> harkins back to the good ole days of winmodem hell
[08:58] <psyk> can you help me obscurite?
[08:59] <psyk> i need to creat a .config file
[08:59] <obscurite> psyk - probably not, since i dont use wpa
[08:59] <ChefWill> uniq: is that a part of a package or does it come with kubuntu?
[09:00] <fatejudger> has anyone had some serious performance issues with Katapult at times?
[09:00] <fatejudger> Katapult seems to often slow down to a near crawl
[09:00] <defrysk> ChefWill, xmms-kde
[09:01] <uniq> chefwill: comes with kubuntu. right click on the panel -> add panel program to the panel  ->  find media control, add it. now right click on mediacontrol and configure it. Select xmms in the list of players.
[09:01] <ChefWill> i have xmms-kde defrysk
[09:01] <defrysk> ow
[09:01] <ChefWill> uniq: i dont have an applet named that
[09:01] <r0xz> pfffff, what is wrong with freenode today?
[09:01] <defrysk> ChefWill, go to the prefs of kde and use the plugin
[09:01] <obscurite> fatejudger - my madwifi isn't cooperating. no matter what i do i can't get my ath0 on dapper connected. my intel running on breezy is fine.
[09:01] <defrysk> prefs of xmms that is
[09:02] <uniq> chefwill: are you on breezy or dapper?
[09:02] <ChefWill> dapper
[09:02] <Official_C> this might be a stupid question, but has anyone ever tried writing something to one of your devices since devices in linux are just seen as files?
[09:03] <Official_C> "i mean manually writing"
[09:03] <jme__> yep
[09:03] <larson9999> Official_C: that's done all the time
[09:03] <psyk> ok well can someone at least tell me how to edit files that are in my /etc/ folder
[09:03] <uniq> official_c: yes, it's generally a bad idea. it works as you would expect.
[09:03] <jme__> you can do 'cat /dev/null /dev/kmem' :)
[09:03] <uniq> official_c: bad idea to do manually,that is.
[09:04] <jme__> or cat /dev/kmem >/tmp/kernel_core :)
[09:04] <Official_C> uniq: i can imagine it is a bad idea, guess it wasnt such a stupid question afterall
[09:04] <jme__> i dont even know if it still work tho :)
[09:04] <larson9999> psyk: sudo vi /etc/filename
[09:04] <jme__> Official_C: not that it is stupid, it is more 'require to know what you are doing' :)
[09:04] <Official_C> i mean, if you are the root user, you can set the permissions of ANY file you want, right?
[09:05] <Official_C> even the devices
[09:05] <fatejudger> yes
[09:05] <fatejudger> you can
[09:05] <larson9999> linux rocks
[09:05] <Official_C> or actually, the devices are probably already set as "can read and write"
[09:05] <fatejudger> yes, it does
[09:05] <Official_C> since they have to be written to automatically
[09:06] <uniq> chefwill: it's in the 'kicker-applets' package.
[09:06] <Official_C> theres no way you can manually write to a device in windows is there??
[09:06] <larson9999> Hawkwind_Ubuntu: did you install ubuntu on your main system, yet?
[09:07] <Hawkwind_Ubuntu> larson9999: Not yet
[09:07] <uniq> official_c: we wouldn't know, since this is #kubuntu ;)
[09:07] <ChefWill> ah there it is uniq
[09:08] <larson9999> i think it costs $50 to do that in windows
[09:08] <Official_C> uniq: well i assumed at LEAST one person here has used windows
[09:08] <ChefWill> uniq: does it support xmms? its not listed
[09:08] <Official_C> lol, i missed the wink
[09:08] <uniq> chefwill: it's listed here.
[09:08] <Official_C> uniq: but seriously do you know the answer
[09:08] <ChefWill> hrm, not here
[09:09] <ChefWill> i just have noatun amarok, juk, mpd, kscd
[09:09] <uniq> chefwill: what's the version of your mediacontrol applet?
[09:09] <ChefWill> i just installed it
[09:10] <ChefWill> 4
[09:10] <remnon> hey
[09:10] <uniq> mine too.
[09:10] <ChefWill> :(
[09:10] <Paul_Lagrange> hi, I get some trouble from keyboard input... everything's ok while logging in, then no stroke is seen by KDE (dapper drake)
[09:10] <remnon> how can i update kubuntu to dapper the easiest way ?
[09:10] <Paul_Lagrange> any suggestion? thanks
[09:10] <remnon> as in Breezy Badger to Dapper
[09:10] <remnon> heh
[09:10] <uniq> official_c: i have no idea. you can probably do it easily as administrator with the right programs.
[09:10] <Official_C> remnon: from what i've heard, you shouldnt
[09:10] <remnon> ah
[09:11] <Official_C> uniq: oh ok
[09:11] <uniq> !update
[09:11] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, uniq
[09:11] <uniq> !upgrade
[09:11] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[09:11] <larson9999> speaking of windows... i haven't logged in to my windows box in so long i forgot the password.  going to have to try one of those hacking programs
[09:11] <Official_C> remnon: what version you got now? breezy?
[09:11] <remnon> aye
[09:11] <Official_C> remnon: stick with it
[09:12] <remnon> oh
[09:12] <remnon> how come ?
[09:12] <Official_C> remnon: I've read reviews for dapper and it is bugy
[09:12] <uniq> official_c: dapper is better than breezy for most people.
[09:13] <cox377> which one is dapper and which one is breezy?
[09:13] <DrBair> dapper is the latest and greatest
[09:13] <Official_C> uniq: really? who is it not better for?
[09:13] <Official_C> uniq: commercial users?
[09:14] <ChefWill> uniq: The media control applet does not support XMMS, as this would force all kicker-applets users to install XMMS. If you want a kicker applet that controls XMMS, install the xmms-kde package.
[09:14] <uniq> official_c: some production servers might hold the upgrade for a few months.
[09:15] <uniq> chefwill: hmm..
[09:15] <Official_C> oh
[09:15] <ChefWill> uniq: i got xmms-kde it works
[09:15] <ChefWill> it kinda sucks though
[09:16] <Official_C> uniq: well im far from an expert, i was just telling him what i read when i was trying to make my decision of which version to install
[09:16] <ChefWill> this thing is so ugly
[09:16] <Official_C> personally, i never install anything thats only a few weeks old regardless
[09:16] <konrad_> How can I play MP3 on Kubuntu, using amaroK? The procedure on amaroK's wiki doesn't seem to work
[09:16] <cox377> i dont know if anyone can help me with this.. every time i hit any of the arrow keys of any of the keys around there such as Del kubuntu decides it wants to take a screen print
[09:16] <elijahlofgren> eixt
[09:16] <cox377> i've uninstalled the screen print.. but now it just open a folder
[09:17] <cox377> anyone got any ideas?
[09:17] <uniq> official_c: for home and desktop usage, dapper is good for most people.
[09:17] <Official_C> ok
[09:19] <ChefWill> its like these people tried to make ugly skins for this
[09:19] <uniq> chefwill: i will figure this out, just hang on.
[09:20] <KuLover> Anyone haveing problems with sound on flash in FireFox
[09:20] <larson9999> kulover i haven't installed it yet, i'll tell you in a few
[09:21] <KuLover> Thanks a bunch.. I really hate having to open Konquerer every time to listen to flash
[09:21] <larson9999> in installing jre now, i'll do flash next
[09:22] <KuLover> Take your time.. just let me know when your done, thanks again.
[09:22] <McScruff> does xen run windows?
[09:22] <KuLover> Larson9999 Are you using the official flash? or the "freeplugin" verison?
[09:23] <larson9999> KuLover: i get the free one from their site.  i don't buy software for personal use anymore
[09:23] <KuLover> Sry.. the "nonfree"
[09:23] <KuLover> lol Arighty, thats the one I'm using.
[09:24] <PFA> how do i change themes on KDE?
[09:24] <m0Zzg> http://linuxff.org.ru
[09:24] <cox377> occasionally my desktop crashes under kubuntu.. is there anyway to end desktop and re-fire like u do with ending explorer and restarting within windowz?
[09:24] <uniq> pfa: k-menu -> system settings -> appearance
[09:25] <PFA> uniq: that is not there :/
[09:25] <uniq> cox377: run the command "kdesktop &" from alt+f2 run menu (if kwin didn't die) or kmenu-> run command.
[09:26] <uniq> pfa: system settings isn't there?
[09:26] <PFA> uniq: no, and neither is appearance, in either "system" or "settings"
[09:29] <uniq> pfa: kmenu -> "system settings" - there is a program directly on the kmenu.
[09:29] <Snake> how do I get ubuntus C complier?
[09:29] <Snake> Does Build-Essential come with it?
[09:30] <cox377> haha
[09:30] <cox377> alt F2 crashed the whole system
[09:31] <r0xz> cox377: then install a new hard driv
[09:31] <r0xz> e
[09:31] <cox377> what?
[09:31] <cox377> why?
[09:32] <uniq> snake: install build-essential, then you'll get a working c compiler with it.
[09:32] <Snake> uniq: thanks, I got it :)
[09:32] <PFA> uniq: ooh. thanks
[09:32] <Lpadmin> Thank God!!! :) Okay, it was an error in my cupsd.conf file.
[09:33] <r0xz> cox377: because what you tell is very VERY unlikely in a normal kubuntu system
[09:33] <cox377> it may have been because the desktop had crashed already
[09:33] <r0xz> ah i see
[09:34] <KuLover> larson9999, Hows it workin out?
[09:34] <cox377> i was reading something earlier about alt F2 and isnt there and either that or F3.. and F7 to end?
[09:36] <uniq> chefwill: you're on KDE 3.5.2 right? the code for mediacontrol says it supports XMMS if xmms was available at compiletime. And it's weird that this works for me and not you.
[09:36] <ChefWill> xmms was installed before kicker applets
[09:36] <ChefWill> installed and running
[09:37] <uniq> doesn't matter on installtime.
[09:37] <uniq> it's during production of packages.
[09:37] <uniq> that matters.
[09:38] <ChefWill> maybe uninstall kicker applet and reinstall?
[09:38] <larson9999> the chicken bucket rocks!
[09:39] <uniq> chefwill: don't think it matters. you can try though.
[09:40] <uniq> chefwill: have to go. sorry, i'll investigate more later tonight. but mediacontrol SHOULD support xmms.
[09:41] <ChefWill> hrm, still doesnt work *shrug*
[09:43] <larson9999> KuLover: so far flash works but no sound.  but i'm just setting this system up and haven't heard sound from anything, yet
[09:44] <larson9999> KuLover: when i get sound working i'll let you know if it works in flash
[09:46] <visik7> !fglrx
[09:46] <vandenoever> Riddell: _JP if you need help with kitten just ask
[09:46] <DaSkreech> That was a bit random
[09:46] <KuLover> Larson9999 on the wiki restricted page... theres someting about firefox and no flash sound.. Ill try that and see how it works
[09:48] <betty> I have a question
[09:48] <larson9999> KuLover: apparently something is different between mandriva and ubuntu because on mandriva two of the ports on my sound card spit out sound. on kubuntu only one does.  i switched to in sound works fine in flash
[09:48] <SeanTater> betty: okay -- say it
[09:48] <betty> How do I get a application to start when I login
[09:48] <SeanTater> betty: when KDE starts or when your computer starts
[09:48] <betty> when I login
[09:49] <betty> into
[09:49] <betty> kubuntu
[09:49] <SeanTater> betty: what program?
[09:49] <betty> I want my email program to start
[09:49] <betty> Kontact
[09:49] <SeanTater> betty: okay -- open a konqueror window
[09:50] <betty> k
[09:50] <SeanTater> betty: and go to ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:50] <peratu> Hello. I need help. I have installed kvlc , and qvlc, but I can't find kvlc and qvlc executables...
[09:50] <Sayz> Hey, is there a way to install Ubuntu with all its software, but with KDE instead of GNOME?
[09:50] <betty> ok
[09:50] <crimsun_> Sayz: ...that's Kubuntu.
[09:51] <DaSkreech> How do I get a program to run when I logoff?
[09:51] <jme__> peratu, go in a terminal and type 'which qvlc'
[09:51] <SeanTater> betty: go into the K menu and drag the kontact entry into the folder
[09:51] <betty> link or copy?
[09:51] <SeanTater> betty: copy will do
[09:51] <Sayz> crimsun_: I know, but to be honest, I would like to have OpenOffice and Gaim preinstalled instead of Kopete. Just a preference
[09:52] <Sayz> crimsun_: I would use Ubuntu, but KDE is nice than GNOME
[09:52] <SeanTater> betty: that's it] 
[09:52] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:52] <larson9999> you can install both
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Well uninstall kopete and install gaim
[09:52] <DaSkreech> OO.o is installed by default
[09:52] <peratu> jme__ , I have done this -> find /usr/bin -type f -name "*vlc*" , and only find vlc executable.
[09:53] <larson9999> or use gnome apps in kde and vice versa
[09:53] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: odd, I just answered a question on starting a program for logon
[09:53] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:53] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: what program?
[09:53] <jme__> peratu: so i dunno :)
[09:53] <DaSkreech> Which triggerd my request for one on logoff
[09:53] <DaSkreech> One I wrote
[09:53] <KuLover> larson9999? Youve got sound inflash to work?
[09:53] <jme__> peratu: i would say you dont look for the proper name :)
[09:53] <larson9999> kulover yep. used nickjr as my test site
[09:54] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: -->  <DaSkreech> How do I get a program to run when I logoff?
[09:54] <KuLover> larson9999 Did you have to do anything special?
[09:54] <crimsun_> Sayz: OO.o is installed.
[09:54] <DaSkreech> RIght it's a bash script I threw together
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Would nice to have it run on logoff
[09:54] <crimsun_> Sayz: and yes, just install Gaim afterward
[09:54] <larson9999> KuLover: nope.
[09:54] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: hum
[09:54] <Sayz> crimsun_: Ok, thanks
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Little clean up script for my messy habits :)
[09:55] <KuLover> larson9999 Did you install Firefox yourslef? or get it from the package manager?
[09:55] <larson9999> kopete is better anyway, isn't it?  well gaim doesn't have camera support.
[09:55] <Sayz> crimsun_: Firefox works on KDE, right?
[09:55] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: if you are good at BASH, you could get it to run at login, and have it execute <whatever> whenever kdeinit is not on..
[09:55] <larson9999> KuLover: package manager for firefox.  the bin for flash from their site
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Sayz: Yup
[09:55] <peratu> jme__ , which and locate kvlc, or qvlc , don't show results.
[09:56] <jme__> peratu: this confirm that you dont have any excecutable of those name
[09:56] <betty> I have a question
[09:56] <DaSkreech> SeanTater: Whats kdeinit do?
[09:56] <jme__> peratu: so either you didnt install them or they dont have this name
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Though I can guess :-)
[09:56] <peratu> jme__, yes :)
[09:56] <betty> I have a lot of spam in my email. Is there any easy way to get rid of all of it or tell it to delete the spam automatically
[09:57] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: It starts processes for KDE, if it's not there, there is a 99.999% chance kde is not on, meaning there is no one logged in.
[09:57] <betty> my email address is betty@san.rr.com
[09:57] <SeanTater> betty: well, annoucing your e-mail addy on the IRC will quite likely get you /more/ spam,not less
[09:58] <peratu> jme__ , I finish them installing right now
[09:58] <betty> is there any way to put up a filter to prevent more spam?
[09:58] <jme__> peratu: ok :)
[09:58] <SeanTater> betty: you use kmail, right
[09:58] <betty> ya
[09:58] <SeanTater> betty: okay -- do you know how to use adept?
[09:58] <betty> adept?
[09:58] <betty> is that the update program?
[09:58] <betty> I already updated
[09:59] <SeanTater> betty: not the update adept,
[09:59] <jme__> adept is a real good apps to handle your package
[09:59] <jme__> i love it
[09:59] <SeanTater> betty: there is another one, in "System"
[09:59] <betty> package manager
[09:59] <jme__> the first in more than 15 years of linux :)
[09:59] <SeanTater> betty: yes
[09:59] <betty> ok
[09:59] <betty> Maybe I'll try making a filter
[09:59] <SeanTater> betty: now, install spamassassin
[09:59] <SeanTater> betty: the filter in adept has nothing to do with mail
[10:00] <Nightwish1986> Hi! anyone with some experience in Soundcards/Alsa in Kubuntu who can help me?
[10:00] <SeanTater> betty: it sorts out the available programs for your system
[10:00] <SeanTater> betty: look for and install spamassassin
[10:01] <SeanTater> Nightwish1986: that's general enough I think #ubuntu will be helpful
[10:01] <SeanTater> Nightwish1986: if not, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:01] <Nightwish1986> SeanTater: thanx
[10:01] <SeanTater> betty: you still there -- got spamassassin?
[10:01] <SeanTater> Nightwish1986: yw
[10:02] <betty> hold on
[10:02] <betty> spamassassin?
[10:02] <SeanTater> hum
[10:03] <SeanTater> it would seem she is /not/ still here
[10:03] <Otis> evening .... I just installed kview and kviewshell ... how do I check if Konqueror is sending jpegs to kviewshell or not ?
[10:03] <SeanTater> Otis: what is kviewshell?
[10:03] <Otis> SeanTater: it's supposedly to let you embed kview into Konqueror
[10:04] <Otis> the usual kind of viewer : fit to window, rotate etc
[10:04] <SeanTater> Otis: there is better than kviewshell
[10:04] <Otis> ideal for fitting camera pictures onto the screen
[10:04] <Otis> ah ?
[10:04] <Otis> SeanTater: what is it ?
[10:04] <SeanTater> Otis: how about installing gwenview -- it's a great image viewer and it comes with a peice that embeds into konq.
[10:05] <SeanTater> Otis: IMO, it rules all image viewers
[10:05] <betty> ok it's installed
[10:05] <SeanTater> betty: okay -- not go into kmail
[10:05] <betty> ok
[10:05] <Otis> SeanTater: hehe, how would you know that ? you had to ask me what kview was
[10:06] <SeanTater> Otis: I know what kview is, I did not know kview/shell/ is
[10:06] <Shaezsche> what is difference between reiserfs and reiser4? whcih is better for kubuntu?
[10:06] <Otis> I'll give that gwenview thing a shot
[10:06] <uniq> shaezsche: i'd recommend ext3.
[10:06] <SeanTater> betty: now go into tools -> Anti-Spam Wizard
[10:06] <betty> then what should I do?
[10:07] <betty> ok
[10:07] <SeanTater> betty:  from there most of it should make sense
[10:07] <Shaezsche> i have heard that reiser is faster
[10:07] <betty> it's still there
[10:07] <SeanTater> Shaezsche: what data are you working with
[10:07] <KuLover> Anyone having problems playing music and such wile a micraphone is in use?
[10:07] <Shaezsche> just browsing, writing papers, listening to mp3
[10:07] <betty> I went through that step what do I do next?
[10:08] <SeanTater> Shaezsche: reiser is no faster or slower for those applications
[10:08] <SeanTater> betty: you finished the wizard?
[10:08] <SeanTater> Shaezsche: avoid reiser4 anyway -- it's still experimental
[10:09] <DaSkreech> SeanTater: Yeah Got that..
[10:09] <betty> yes
[10:09] <SeanTater> Shaezsche: I'd use ext3 because it;s more popular
[10:09] <DaSkreech>  Right now I run a single user system but that may change
[10:09] <SeanTater> betty: you're done
[10:09] <Shaezsche> popularity doesnt mean its better
[10:10] <SeanTater> Shaezsche: I've used both, and there is no difference
[10:10] <ChefWill> anyone know how to hide the "Description" area under messages in kmail?
[10:11] <SeanTater> ChefWill: is that where it gives an outline of the parts of the message, at the bottom of the screen?
[10:11] <visik7> !kat
[10:11] <ChefWill> yea
[10:11] <ubotu> visik7: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:11] <visik7> pd
[10:12] <ChefWill> oh i found it SeanTater
[10:12] <ChefWill> "Message Structure Viewer"
[10:12] <SeanTater> ChefWill: that's it
[10:12] <ChefWill> :P
[10:12] <ChefWill> pointless
[10:12] <SeanTater> ChefWill: I wish they would make it /not viewed/ as the default
[10:12] <ChefWill> yea
[10:13] <spire> Does anyone know a userfriendly editor (not emacs or vi) with syntax highlighting for LaTeX?
[10:13] <SeanTater> spire: have you tried kate?
[10:14] <Otis> SeanTater: I installed gwenview, do I need to do anything specific in Konqueror to display images using gwenview ?
[10:14] <spire> SeanTater: Nope. It seems to be a good one. Thanks!
[10:14] <SeanTater> Otis: nope, uses gwenview by default AFAIK
[10:14] <Otis> I saw mention of KPart etc ... but that doesn't exactly help me
[10:14] <Otis> ok
[10:14] <SeanTater> spire: yw
[10:14] <Otis> (I'll go check file types)
[10:14] <Otis> SeanTater: and maybe even uninstall kview in order to clean things up a bit
[10:15] <spire> Too bad kate is not a part of the K-menu (as far as I can see). It seems to be a great editor
[10:15] <SeanTater> spire: it's under utilities
[10:15] <SeanTater> gtg
[10:15] <Otis> thanks !
[10:15] <Otis> bye !
[10:16] <spire> Doh! Eh, thanks again (embarassing)
[10:16] <Otis> spire: Kate used to be called Kant
[10:16] <Otis> I screamed when they decided to rename it Kate because Kant could be mis-pronounced to sound like a slang word
[10:16] <Otis> the Policital Correctness squad had won another war
[10:19] <equinoxeB> Is there any way I can receive files from Yahoo Messenger. I'm using Kopete 0.12
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Otis: What?
[10:20] <mneisen> Are there packages for KDE 3.5.3?
[10:21] <Hawkwind> mneisen: Yes
[10:21] <Hawkwind> mneisen: If you do a system update it will upgrade KDE for you
[10:24] <sdlnxgk> need some newbie help on root access!!!
[10:24] <sdlnxgk> anyone around to lend a hand??
[10:24] <mneisen> Hawkwind: I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. But I still have the KDE 3.5.2 packages.
[10:25] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:25] <mneisen> Hawkwind: Thanks. I am new to Kubuntu as you might have noticed. Used to use Gentoo ...
[10:26] <Hawkwind> mneisen: I am too. I'm not evening using it as my main OS yet :)
[10:26] <mneisen> Hawkwind: I just did as you said and it did not update KDE.
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !!tell sdlnxgk about root
[10:27] <Hawkwind> Have you setup your sources.list like is mentioned on the wiki ?
[10:27] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !!tell sdlnxgk about sudo
[10:27] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[10:27] <Hawkwind> LOL
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !tell sdlnxgk about root
[10:27] <mneisen> Hawkwind: Do you have a URL for that?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> ha!
[10:28] <Hawkwind> !tell mneisen about sources.list
[10:32] <svivian> Anyone here running dual monitors?
[10:32] <KuLover> Anyone having problems playing music and such wile a micraphone is in use?
[10:32] <cox377> svivian: i have a second TFT.. just havent plugged it in yet
[10:33] <cox377> it didnt work the live CD
[10:33] <McScruff> svivian: whats up?
[10:33] <sdlnxgk> anyone know why right click on desktop doesn't work???
[10:37] <svivian> cox377: I have two monitors plugged into a FireGL V3100. I managed to get the system to spread the desktop over both monitors, but GL isn't working for some reason, and the desktop area for each screen is about 6" bigger in all directions than the monitor. I have to mouse around each monitor to see everything on each desktop
[10:37] <TheHighChild> hey guys, can I use Blackdown Java with Konqueror?
[10:37] <kmon> !xgl
[10:38] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:40] <RogueJediX> !aiglx
[10:40] <ubotu> hmm... aiglx is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145068
[10:40] <svivian> cox377: Did I lose you?
[10:46] <betty> hi
[10:46] <betty> I got my first email today
[10:49] <Tommy2k4> how can i stop the kde wallet manager from opening on boot up
[10:50] <yannux> hey hey :)
[10:51] <mneisen> Hawkwind: Hello again, I did as you told me and followed the advices and the pages you sent me. BTW, I already had most of it in my sources.list. Could you send me your sources.list in a query?
[10:51] <Hawkwind> mneisen: http://LinuxForDummies.org/  and look in the Kubuntu section of my forum there
[10:53] <svivian> cox377: hello?
[10:54] <sireliah> where is khotkeys at? i cannot seem to find it in kubuntu
[10:54] <betty> i mean first not spam email
[10:55] <jpowers> sireliah: try System Settings, Regional and Accessibility
[10:55] <cox377> hey sorry
[10:55] <cox377> switching between Counter strike
[10:55] <cox377> ;)
[10:55] <SeanTater> has anyone gotten smart package mager to work on dapper?
[10:55] <cox377> and watching the game
[10:56] <svivian> cox377: np.
[10:56] <cox377> so u havent got it working dual view?
[10:57] <jpowers> does anybody here know about dcop?
[10:57] <sireliah> also what is the mp3/aac/wma codec package called?
[10:57] <jpowers> specifically dcop working with kmail?
[10:57] <jpowers> sireliah: w32codecs?
[10:57] <svivian> cox377: I have both monitors working, and my desktop spans both screens. The problem is that the actual desktop real estate allocated to each monitor is larger than the physical display, if you follow. If I move my mouse to the top of the screen, the desktop "scrolls" up.
[10:58] <cox377> has anyone managed to get hotmail/yahoo working under thunderbird?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> betty: Cool :)
[10:58] <cox377> Yeh i get yah.. is there the option for dual view?
[10:59] <svivian> cox377: When I first installed fglrx, I got a separate X instance on each monitor. The primary had Kubuntu, the secondary had regular KDE
[10:59] <mneisen> Hawkwind:  Thanks, that did it! :-D
[11:00] <sireliah> sure w32
[11:00] <svivian> cox377: And at that point, GL worked, and the desktop fit on the monitor
[11:00] <Hawkwind> mneisen: No problem
[11:00] <cox377> i know under ubuntu when i loaded the live cd berfore i installed it just made the secondary a big ball of fuzz
[11:00] <cox377> maybe i need the driver
[11:00] <mneisen> I feel like a total noob because i cannot even understand what I did do wrong.
[11:00] <mneisen> I will check tomorrow.
[11:00] <mneisen> Germany just won against Poland, we have to celebrate now :-D
[11:01] <svivian> cox377: I am trying to get Dapper working. I found that using the text install from the live CD worked far better than booting to the live environment and running the install
[11:01] <svivian> cox377: I repaved the machine 4 times before I got it close to where I want it
[11:02] <sireliah> how do i get mp3 and aac files to work?
[11:02] <tsdgeos> !mp3
[11:02] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:04] <mneisen> !tell
[11:04] <mneisen> !help tell
[11:04] <mneisen> o my
[11:05] <DaSkreech> !fishing
[11:05] <ubotu> from memory, fishing is randomly throwing !commands in the channel instead of using /msg ubotu command. Please dont fish for help. either !ask in the channel or msg ubotu < Knows Everything!> :)
[11:06] <mneisen> !tell me about sources.list
[11:07] <svivian> !sources.list
[11:07] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:10] <sireliah> i cannot find teh libxine-extracodecs package
[11:12] <sireliah> hello?
[11:12] <DaSkreech> !tell sireliah about multiverse
[11:13] <sireliah> i did add repositories
[11:13] <cox377> lol
[11:13] <cox377> i enjoying reading though this
[11:13] <sireliah> i enabled all the ones that were there
[11:13] <cox377> i see things all the time.. and think.,.. ooo i like the sound of that
[11:14] <sdlnxgk> anyone have problems with sound?? and video codecs ??
[11:14] <tsdgeos> sireliah: sudo apt-get update
[11:14] <tsdgeos> after adding the repositories
[11:14] <sireliah> tsdegeo it tells me libxine-extracodecs is missing
[11:15] <sireliah> says libxine-extracodecs is not available but is refered by another package
[11:15] <sireliah> it however does NOT tell me what other package
[11:16] <tsdgeos> sireliah: which kubuntu version are you usiong?
[11:17] <sireliah> dapper
[11:18] <tsdgeos> it's on multiverse
[11:18] <tsdgeos> are you sure you have multiverse enabled?
[11:19] <sireliah> i have them ALL enabled
[11:19] <sdlnxgk> is it safe to use mulitverse??
[11:19] <sireliah> can you check your package manager ?
[11:19] <betty> I have a question
[11:20] <tsdgeos> betty: then ask it :D
[11:20] <betty> I'm playing a game called Fuel Critical which is a java game and I have to use the arrow keys to move the ship but the arrow keys don't work
[11:20] <cox377> whats the best way to pick up window share folders from kubuntu?? i dont wanna have to add each and every share on the network manually
[11:20] <sireliah> am i supposed to manuall add the url to my package manager? i just enabled all the nonhighlighted ones
[11:21] <DaSkreech> sireliah: Do you have libxine1c2?
[11:21] <tsdgeos> sireliah: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in http://rafb.net/paste/
[11:22] <tsdgeos> and tell us the url you get
[11:22] <sireliah> tsdgeos there isnt a list in that directory
[11:22] <sireliah> how can i paste it
[11:23] <tsdgeos> sireliah: hmmm
[11:23] <tsdgeos>  /etc/apt/sources.list is a FILE
[11:23] <tsdgeos> not a dir
[11:23] <tsdgeos> just open it with your favorite text editor
[11:23] <tsdgeos> and do copy and paste
[11:24] <sireliah> ok its pasted
[11:24] <tsdgeos> sireliah: url?
[11:25] <sireliah> http://rafb.net/paste/results/PSdnTZ28.html
[11:25] <sireliah> sorry
[11:25] <cox377> whats the best way to share folders from a kubuntu machine to a windows machine.. basically i want to have share drives
[11:25] <tsdgeos> sireliah: on lines 16 and 17 you need to add multiverse after universe
[11:26] <tsdgeos> you can do that from adept itself if you want
[11:26] <sireliah> why wasnt it like that to begin with?
[11:26] <tsdgeos> sireliah: don't know, i don't create the default file
[11:26] <tsdgeos> blame Riddell for that :D
[11:26] <svivian> I can't add a printer driver. I get an error that the driver doesn't exist, or I don't have permission. I am running the printer utility in Admin mode. Any ideas?
[11:26] <cox377> which printer is it?
[11:27] <svivian> A Samsung. I was able to add it no problem in Breezy.
[11:27] <tsdgeos> svivian: you sure you have foomatic installed?
[11:27] <Riddell> sireliah: hey are unsupported
[11:27] <svivian> tsdgeos: Yes, foomatic is installed. I checked. Would you recommend uninstall/reinstall?
[11:27] <Riddell> they are
[11:27] <tsdgeos> nah, dont' think it's worth trying that
[11:27] <CaBlGuY-Gone> !skype
[11:28] <ubotu> skype is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[11:28] <tsdgeos> Riddell: well, then someone removed them for him ;-)
[11:29] <cox377> anyone know about drive/folder sharing?
[11:29] <sireliah> riddell doesnt everyone use them though?
[11:29] <chavo> cox377, samba
[11:30] <sireliah> how else are you supposed to play mp3 and aac
[11:30] <tsdgeos> cox377: you want to share win -> linux or linux -> win ?
[11:30] <cox377> well
[11:30] <cox377> both
[11:30] <tsdgeos> sireliah: you are not supposed to play them ;-) as they are non free
[11:30] <tsdgeos> cox377: but which is going to act as server?
[11:30] <cox377> basicallyt.. i'm currently sharing from win 2 linux.. but adding each address which is alright but not idea
[11:31] <cox377> ideal**
[11:31] <Riddell> sireliah: only people who don't care about security
[11:31] <cox377> i was hoping the SMB would search for share drives
[11:31] <Riddell> and who don't have a support contract
[11:31] <cox377> anyway.. i'm trying to share linux 2 win
[11:31] <MrObvious> You need samba.
[11:31] <MrObvious> !samba
[11:31] <ubotu> hmm... samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[11:31] <chavo> cox377, like I said samba
[11:32] <cox377> i know samba.. but when i go to share the share options are all greys out
[11:32] <sireliah> im not talking about the multiverse, i am talking about the extracodecs to play mp3
[11:32] <sireliah> how else are you supposd to do it?
[11:32] <svivian> sireliah: xmms has native mp3 support
[11:33] <visik7> xmms sucks
[11:33] <sireliah> what is xmms?
[11:33] <sireliah> well how come suse automatically plays them?
[11:33] <chavo> cox377, hit the adminisatr
[11:33] <chavo> woops, administrator mode button
[11:33] <svivian> sireliah: xmms is a somewhat minimalist media player that has no problem playing the 8GB of mp3s I have
[11:34] <visik7> xmms is gtk1
[11:34] <cox377> i have done and it still doesnt allow me to enter/configure anything
[11:34] <sireliah> yea but many distros, like Suse seem to play mp3's automatically fine
[11:34] <Hawkwind> sireliah: Most distros are changing that too
[11:34] <visik7> opensuse doesn't
[11:34] <svivian> visik7: so what would you recommend? I had nothing but problems with Amarok, Kaffeine, Noatun etc
[11:35] <visik7> svivian: which problems with amarok ?
[11:35] <visik7> !tell svivian about restricted
[11:35] <Hawkwind> svivian: Audacious is a decent fork of bmp which was a fork of xmms
[11:35] <cox377> amarok just played everything mp3/wma
[11:36] <svivian> I had a bunch of problems with most of the media players on breezy talking with ALSA and my soundcard
[11:37] <visik7> I've no problem at all with amarok->xine->alsa
[11:37] <sdlnxgk> I can use xmms but amarok doesn't play audio just skips on through play list
[11:37] <svivian> xmms seemed to work with the least effort for what I wanted. The only thing it wouldn't do is play the collection of .au files of chinese folk music I have
[11:37] <visik7> restricted formats!!!!
[11:39] <cox377> no one got any idea why my 'File Shareing' config under ssystem settings is blank under adinistrator
[11:39] <Chris_Tucker> where is the wizard for defining kde's behaviour? (single click to focus, etc....))
[11:39] <Hawkwind> Chris_Tucker: kcontrol ?
[11:39] <slow-motion> n8
[11:40] <uniq> chris_tucker: alt+f2 'kpersonalizer'
[11:40] <chavo> Chris_Tucker, the wizard is kpersonalizer
[11:40] <uniq> great minds think alike :)
[11:41] <Chris_Tucker> not installed... yay.. more to download on dialup
[11:41] <larson9999> mplayer is supposed to be in multiverse but apt-get tells me it isn't.  what am i not doing right?
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> im liking dapper's improvements though
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> especially kde 4 :D
[11:42] <CaBlGuY> im havin trouble installin Skype..  someone got a sec?
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> oh its 3.5.2
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> still better than the one in breezy.
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> larson9999: check your results of apt-get update
[11:43] <Chris_Tucker> larson9999: the repo might not be configed on your system
[11:43] <amarokker> Can someone please help me to get vsftpd working- I can log into my server - but no one else is able to do it- could it have something to do with using my ISP's proxy?
[11:44] <CaBlGuY> linuxmonkey:  u around?
[11:46] <winbond> how reliable is the konqueror downloads of large files , like 3+ gigs?
[11:47] <chavo> winbond, no idea I just use kget for something like that
[11:47] <uniq> winbond: depends on your connection, resume isn't supported out of the box. you can install kget to get that functionality
[11:47] <winbond> kget is a download manager?
[11:47] <uniq> or you can always wget -c on the eventually failed .part file.
[11:47] <uniq> yes.
[11:48] <winbond> ok , cool , didnt know about it , ty
[11:54] <shocktrooper1> I did a grub-update and checked my /boot/grub/menu.lst and the second hd still reads ubuntu where I have winxp installed.
[11:54] <svivian> brb
[11:58] <winbond> !ntfs
[11:58] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[11:58] <visik7> even with fuse ?
[11:58] <winbond> what?
[11:59] <visik7> ntfs with fuse
[11:59] <winbond> im not sure what you are talking about , im just trying to mount my ntfs harddrive
[12:00] <visik7> btw there is a proretary driver by paragon
[12:00] <visik7> that works
[12:00] <winbond> what is paragon?
[12:00] <visik7> and libfuse works  afaik
[12:01] <bulltitan> is there a way to disable encription in firefox?
[12:01] <svivian> I'm having problems with printing: I have run kcontrol as root to see what's behind the curtain, and when I try to add the Foomatic driver, I see some perl errors:
[12:02] <visik7> encription of what ?
[12:02] <visik7> foomatic ?
[12:02] <visik7> use cups
[12:02] <svivian> warning: setting locale failed
[12:02] <Hawkwind> svivian: Did you type sudo kcontrol ?
[12:02] <bulltitan> a security setting i guess i can't see the page i'm looking for because it doesn't support encription
[12:02] <Hawkwind> svivian: If so, you need to type kdesu kcontrol instead IIRC
[12:02] <svivian> I'm using CUPS as the print system, but use Foomatic to loafd the driver for the Samsung printer I have. RAW doesn't print nicely
[12:03] <svivian> Hawkwind: yes, I did sudo kcontrol