[02:10] <lapo> hi
[07:10] <troy_s> bersace you still here brother?
[07:10] <bersace> troy_s: yep !
[07:11] <troy_s> how you doing ?
[07:11] <bersace> fine and you ? how are you ?
[07:11] <bersace> still nothing in the wiki front ?
[07:27] <troy_s> sorry bersace, reading mail log
[07:27] <troy_s> egads really busy
[07:27] <troy_s> frank is such a great fellow to have on the team
[07:27] <troy_s> um yeah... i would issue a "FINAL CALL" tonite from you to the list, then attack it tomorrow
[07:28] <troy_s> Let everyone know that they need to proof it.
[07:28] <troy_s> that is an amazing bit of work done by neil!
[07:29] <bersace> troy_s: sent
[07:30] <troy_s> so we will need probably some sort of update on what you have arrived at as well...
[07:31] <troy_s> my only thought is to go with the simple tree structure off root, and head downwards into complexity IF we need to.
[07:32] <bersace> wouldn't it be nice the wallpaper UI shows only the wallpaper in the screen resolution
[07:32] <troy_s> also, i would say that our documents section is going to need to be helpful to our new artists... the Tools section is sort of a starting point, but links for wacom graphics tablets, irc howto, etc would all be extremely useful.
[07:33] <troy_s> ???
[07:33] <troy_s> sorry, not following you?  instead of a thumbnail?
[07:33] <bersace> I mean building a .desktop containing links to 4:3, 5:4 and 16:10 version of the wallpaper, but the UI show only the right ratio available
[07:34] <bersace> or the ratio that fit mostly with the screen
[07:34] <bersace> that was just off topic
[07:34] <bersace> (though of the night)
[07:34] <bersace> :)
[07:35] <bersace> about the wiki
[07:35] <bersace> I think that tool should be mostly about software : The Gimp, Inkscape, ImageMagick, etc.
[07:36] <bersace> but we can also provide tool for thumbnailing like the one i used to make DapperHuman review
[07:36] <troy_s> eek!
[07:36] <troy_s> i am no bdfl!!!!
[07:36] <troy_s> uggh.
[07:36] <troy_s> oh well.
[07:36] <bersace> a page Tools/Review would gather all you need to build a complete review of a theme
[07:36] <bersace> ;)
[07:37] <adamant1988> hello
[07:37] <bersace> including Qemu, ago-preview, etc.
[07:37] <bersace> adamant1988: hello
[07:37] <troy_s> i think we also need to at least make sure that our 'getting involved' has many more helpful tools and is explicity
[07:37] <troy_s> some people who can contribute pencil scans might have NO idea how to irc, wiki/ etc.
[07:37] <troy_s> with me?
[07:37] <troy_s> greetings adamant, welcome.
[07:37] <bersace> yep
[07:37] <bersace> you're right
[07:37] <troy_s> ok must shower.
[07:37] <troy_s> back in a few.
[07:37] <bersace> lol
[07:38] <adamant1988> Can anyone take a look at this wallpaper I did?
[07:38] <adamant1988> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1482/ubuntuwallpapertest7it.jpg
[07:38] <adamant1988> I was trying to do something a bit softer and using the human theme compatible colors...
[07:40] <troy_s> nice work adamant.
[07:40] <troy_s> i think you need to get a SVG or something for the logo though
[07:40] <troy_s> it is rasterized all to hell.
[07:40] <troy_s> which isn't your fault, just the res of the original logo that you tapped from.
[07:40] <bersace> troy_s: waterproof laptop ?
[07:40] <bersace> ;P
[07:41] <troy_s> laf no...
[07:41] <adamant1988> =\ yeah I tried to blur the logo to cover that up
[07:41] <troy_s> printing some itinerary stuffs.
[07:41] <adamant1988> Ok, so fix the logo, anything else that it needs?
[07:41] <troy_s> adamant:  svg or res it up before you try the wallpaper... i don't know if there are any svg thigns?
[07:41] <bersace> i think that i lake overall finition, especially top left and bottom right corner
[07:42] <bersace> the logo is not well blend with the rest of the picture
[07:42] <troy_s> bersace
[07:42] <troy_s> i got access to art.ubuntu.com
[07:42] <bersace> but i like the background of this background :)
[07:42] <troy_s> i am hoping you can help out with it.
[07:42] <adamant1988> I can blend it bettter, but I don't want to alter it from it's original state...
[07:42] <troy_s> haven't had a chance to look into it too far, just ssh access etc.
[07:42] <troy_s> i will further chat with henrik regarding other potential cms.
[07:42] <bersace> troy_s: nice !
[07:43] <adamant1988> so really the biggest problem with the wallpaper is the logo?
[07:43] <bersace> adamant1988: yes
[07:43] <bersace> too visible
[07:43] <bersace> remember the discretion of hoary wallpaper logo
[07:43] <adamant1988> so make it more subtle as well... that'll be easy enough to do. I just didn't want to alter the logo too much.
[07:44] <bersace> adamant1988: you should investigate to get more contrast between logo and background
[07:44] <bersace> adamant1988: the deep yellow/orange "flame" hurt my eyse
[07:44] <bersace> *eyes
[07:44] <bersace> but really, that's a nice work.
[07:44] <troy_s> bersace:  believe it or not, its a HECK of a lot of work trying to get all the damn info out of the community.
[07:45] <troy_s> berasce:  there REALLY isn't much overarching info structure :)
[07:45] <adamant1988> I've been out of the digital art circles for a while, that's the first thing I've made in months =\
[07:45] <troy_s> adamant:  hopefully after paris, and some documenting, there will be a clear list
[07:45] <troy_s> of todo's
[07:45] <troy_s> and just about anyone should be able to pick up a bit
[07:45] <troy_s> (think of it as a wedding registry :)  -- you can spend a little bit on the little requests, or larger on the large bits... )
[07:45] <bersace> troy_s: should we rename Tasks as ToDo ?
[07:46] <bersace> or Todo ?
[07:46] <bersace> lol
[07:46] <troy_s> bersace:  i kind of like tasks or assignments or such
[07:46] <adamant1988> ok, so I think what I'm going to do is make the logo the 'light source'.
[07:46] <adamant1988> and therefor the focal point.
[07:46] <bersace> troy_s: Todo is more comprehensive
[07:47] <adamant1988> oh could you guys look at something else I'm thinking about turning into a WP?
[07:47] <troy_s> go to town admant.
[07:47] <adamant1988> ^_^
[07:47] <troy_s> bersace:  i hope to use the specification listing of launchpad
[07:47] <troy_s> bersace:  to track the bits.
[07:47] <bersace> troy_s: good idea
[07:47] <troy_s> bersace:  but i have NO clue how that works just yet.
[07:48] <troy_s> bersace:  if you could spend a few seconds if you get some looking into it, it would be greatly appreciated.
[07:48] <adamant1988> http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5122/spacenotype6sc.png
[07:48] <adamant1988> I'm not sure what to do with it to make it an ubuntu wp...
[07:48] <bersace> troy_s: i will investigate launchpad as i can
[07:48] <bersace> i'm not admin
[07:53] <adamant1988> anything?
[07:53] <troy_s> bersace:  you can create your own team
[07:53] <troy_s> bersace: and test... it is mainly the specification thing that is tricky
[07:53] <troy_s> bersace:  i registered a spec, but it won't notify our members etc...
[07:54] <bersace> ok
[07:55] <troy_s> like i said, it was even tricky setting up a poll :)
[07:56] <troy_s> specs would be a valuable item thoughn.
[08:10] <troy_s> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fTutorials
[08:10] <troy_s> Some good stuff there bersace...
[09:39] <bersace> about specification
[09:39] <bersace> it seems that we should write specification for package ubuntu-artwork, assigned to ubuntu-art
[09:44] <bersace> i don't think that specification can replace a Todo wiki page
[12:39] <lapo> hi
[03:05] <troy_s> bersace
[03:05] <troy_s> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BlueprintDocumentation
[03:07] <troy_s> just got mailed that link from one of the art team  members... very helpful.
[03:08] <klepas> i shall be using that list to create an agenda of sorts
[03:09] <klepas> troy_s: are there any other items you would like to the list?
[03:09] <klepas> the list being the agenda
[03:14] <troy_s> i don't know klepas... very tough.
[03:14] <troy_s> i suppose you could braindump a bit there... depending on who shows up.
[03:14] <troy_s> the problem with our release cycle is that it is VERY short.
[03:15] <troy_s> which means that we need a good set of targets that users can look forwards to regarding new art... simple things
[03:15] <troy_s> as well as subtle more complex issues, such as some of the things that Frank and I have been discussing as per his document.
[03:16] <troy_s> that list that Niel compiled is basically one of the tasks we had on the wiki to do a little legwork, which was very very impressive of him.
[03:16] <troy_s> I think what COULD be accomplished at a meeting might be to organize those ideas into distinct areas for further filtering.
[03:17] <troy_s> anyways... i am going to be late for work if my Ubuntu art habit continues here :)  take care ladies and gentlement.
[03:17] <troy_s> Peace
[03:18] <klepas> would you like to write the agenda?
[03:18] <klepas> it would lift some work off my back... (i've got critical response works due for English in a few days =S)
[03:27] <troy_s> laf.
[03:27] <troy_s> i WISH
[03:28] <klepas> i guess not then
[03:28] <troy_s> i have a few critical responses involving a wife, a five and a half year old, paris, and a career that takes up a bunch of silly time
[03:28] <troy_s> i just don't think i can make it in time klepas.
[03:28] <klepas> fair enough
[03:28] <troy_s> i'll see what happens in the few days ahead.
[03:28] <troy_s> sorry
[03:28] <klepas> but you can make it to the meeting?
[03:28] <troy_s> i will try
[03:28] <troy_s> this week is pretty chaotic
[03:29] <klepas> Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:29] <troy_s> well... if you can hold it here i can at least get a log... not that it is all that important.
[03:29] <troy_s> EEK
[03:29] <troy_s> got to fly
[03:30] <troy_s> i don't know if you know yet
[03:30] <troy_s> but i recently obtained access to art.ubuntu.com
[03:30] <klepas> are you a channel operator
[03:30] <troy_s> i'll spill you the details as they get to be more useful.
[03:30] <troy_s> negative.
[03:30] <klepas> pity
[03:30] <klepas> need to change this topic
[03:30] <troy_s> chan ops sit with whoever gets there first
[03:30] <klepas> to mention the meeting
[03:30] <troy_s> you can change the topic
[03:30] <troy_s> just change it... no permissions on it.
[03:31] <klepas> i just tried... no luck
[03:31] <klepas> i just tried
[03:31] <troy_s> how very strange.
[03:31] <troy_s> i altered it the other day
[03:31] <troy_s> without op status.
[03:31] <klepas> you try. :)
[03:31] <klepas> mention the meeting
[03:32] <klepas> Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:32] <troy_s> tried it.
[03:32] <troy_s> the other day it worked fine though...
[03:32] <troy_s> grr.
[03:32] <klepas> ah well
[03:32] <klepas> so... AUC
[03:32] <klepas> what do you behold of it's content management technologies?
[03:33] <jsgotangco> hmm are you going to paris troy_s?
[03:49] <adamant1988> http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4549/ubuntuwallpapertest5dn.jpg << what do you guys think?
[03:50] <adamant1988> http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8247/kubuntuwp6qk.jpg <<< this one sorry.
[04:03] <klepas> jsgotangco: troy_s will be attending the paris summit, yet :)
[04:03] <klepas> adamant1988: it's lovely
[04:04] <klepas> i would recommend avoiding any bluring of te logos though
[04:04] <klepas> make them crisp and sharp
[04:04] <adamant1988> I didn't blur them =\
[04:04] <adamant1988> I resized them and that was about it
[04:04] <klepas> it can happen through scalling
[04:04] <klepas> scalling :)
[04:04] <klepas> or importing SVGs into The GIMP
[04:05] <msikma> That looks really nice, adamant1988. I don't think that the "double" logo looks nice, though, and the colors of the logo seem to be strange. I also think that the colors are too deep.
[04:05] <klepas> but otherwise, they are great
[04:05] <msikma> A little too saturated, maybe. Especially with cyan, that's an easily encountered problem.
[04:06] <klepas> consider making huge versions... us folks on laptops with widescreens like to have a filled, unstretched desktop wallpaper... and good ones are hard to come across :)
[04:06] <msikma> I suggest making the image a little more neutral by finding a way to decrease saturation. Maybe overlaying it with a translucent color or gradient that evens the colors out a little.
[04:07] <klepas> as for the double logo effect... it could be good if you use it as a sort of... perhaps ripply-effect
[04:07] <msikma> Yeah, I always make my wallpapers in widescreen at a huge size (2x 1920x1200) so that I'm certain all resolutions will be provided for.
[04:07] <klepas> would entail adding a few more of those (subdued) logo copies :)
[04:07] <msikma> And at the same time that provides support for multiple monitors, now that I think about it... I wonder how that would look.
[04:08] <klepas> msikma: what is your reso :)
[04:08] <msikma> 1920x1200 at home, but I'm going to sell that laptop and get a new one sometime soon.
[04:08] <msikma> I'm at work right now... let's see what my resolution is here
[04:08] <klepas> i only have one machine. my third arm; the laptop :)
[04:08] <msikma> 1680x1050
[04:08] <adamant1988> I could do a ripple effect
[04:08] <klepas> goes everwhere i go
[04:09] <klepas> msikma: ditto on that last reso
[04:09] <klepas> adamant1988: doesn't hurt to try :)
[04:09] <msikma> Cool, klepas. I also have a laptop at home. I'm thinking on getting an iMac. I use one at work, and that monitor is just unequalled.
[04:09] <klepas> hehe
[04:09] <msikma> I haven't checked, but does Dapper run on Intel iMacs?
[04:09] <klepas> i love my inspiron machine
[04:09] <msikma> Hehe, I have an inspiron too :P
[04:09] <klepas> the screen beats that of a mac even ;)
[04:09] <klepas> msikma: not sure...
[04:10] <klepas> what model Inspiron, btw?
[04:10] <klepas> the 9000-series?
[04:10] <msikma> Yeah, the 1920x1200 WUXGA screen I have in my laptop is really nice. Very bright and with very small pixel distance. I like this iMac monitor a lot, too. Mainly, just like that WUXGA screen, because it's so bright.
[04:10] <msikma> 9100.
[04:10] <klepas> i just got mine a month or two back
[04:11] <klepas> Inspiron 6400, duo-core. :)
[04:11] <msikma> Oh no\
[04:11] <msikma> Who the hell made that "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS with long term support" image??????
[04:11] <klepas> 1680x1050 WSXGA truebright screen made me buy it
[04:11] <msikma> Stretched type... that is the ULTIMATE form of amateurism.
[04:12] <msikma> Okay, tonight I'm proposing a redesign of the site's main page.
[04:12] <klepas> hehe
[04:13] <klepas> the text image is quite horrendous
[04:13] <msikma> Bah, they even made images (top of the page) composed of... upscaled rasterized versions of images.
[04:13] <msikma> Upscaled images are also awfully amateuristic.
[04:13] <klepas> the icons namely
[04:13] <klepas> yea
[04:13] <msikma> I wonder who made/okayed this design. :(
[04:14] <klepas> heinrik said he was working on it
[04:14] <klepas> but i doubt he would have let this pass...
[04:15] <msikma> Hmm
[04:15] <klepas> msikma: you contribute to the wikimedia projects too? :)
[04:15] <msikma> Can't see any Intel Mac versions of Dapper yet
[04:15] <msikma> Yep :)
[04:15] <klepas> ditto
[04:15] <msikma> I see you found my userpage
[04:15] <klepas> pretty rad
[04:15] <klepas> ;)
[04:15] <msikma> Yeah, what's yours?
[04:16] <klepas> and your picture
[04:16] <klepas> that's rad
[04:16] <msikma> hehe
[04:16] <klepas> klepas
[04:16] <msikma> thanks :))
[04:16] <klepas> but it's fairly empty
[04:16] <klepas> i've only really been fixing spelling mistakes and grammatical errors on wikipedia
[04:16] <klepas> i wrote an article for wikinews
[04:17] <msikma> That's nice. I started out with minor edits too, but then after a while I started liking editing too much. I think I wrote an article for wikinews too, a long time ago, but I can't seem to remember what it was about.
[04:17] <klepas> :)
[04:17] <klepas> i just have not had the time
[04:17] <klepas> very frustrating
[04:17] <klepas> college is annoying me and i'm not doing too well in one of my classes
[04:17] <msikma> Wikinews is a nice news resource, but it's too bad that it uses a largely unmodified version of mediawiki. It would "work" much better, as a site, if it had the layout of a news site while retaining the wiki features.
[04:18] <msikma> Brb..
[04:18] <klepas> sure
[04:19] <msikma> Sorry, gotta do some stuff at work, but I'll come by to chat in a while. And don't let college get to you! Or just do like I did and stop. :P I intend to go back to college someday, but just not right now.
[04:20] <msikma> And if you have a portfolio site, I'd love to see it
[04:22] <klepas> sure
[04:22] <klepas> http://klepas.org
[04:22] <klepas> under some revamp
[04:23] <klepas> i'm intending to split my articles and more publishable content onto a subdomain and keep klepas.org separate for only personal things and artwork
[04:23] <klepas> as for college... college here in down under is the step before university... so it's important and not something i can really screw up...
[04:24] <klepas> got mathematics first line tomorrow...
[04:24] <klepas> and it's past 00:20
[04:24] <klepas> cheers
[06:00] <cyanescent> hi I am hoping one of you can help me with the Launchpad Blueprint thing ?
[06:20] <msikma>  Time to go home...
[09:13] <cyanescent> anyone?