Keybuk | IGNORING YOUR OWN DEADLINES, EH?! :) | 12:02 |
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mdz | yes, low priority | 12:03 |
jmg | :-) | 12:03 |
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mdz | Keybuk: besides, the point of the deadline was to give us a chance to look over what we have without it changing all the time | 12:03 |
Keybuk | hehe | 12:03 |
Keybuk | I know | 12:03 |
mdz | sabdfl: speaking of which, in case you're behind on mail, please don't accept any new stuff for paris for a bit; we're sorting through what we have | 12:04 |
mdz | sabdfl: and Keybuk and I are borrowing #ubuntu-meeting to coordinate that effort | 12:04 |
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mdz | BenC: see my last comment on bug 43531, would like to hear back while I'm working on the agenda for paris | 12:07 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 43531 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel isn't very useful without a boot loader, but doesn't depend on one" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43531 | 12:07 |
BenC | mdz: Ok | 12:07 |
mdz | BenC: I think there's probably stuff to talk about since the installer is involved | 12:08 |
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sabdfl | mdz: i'm not accepting anything for paris for fear of being accused of setting edgy goals ;-) | 12:09 |
sabdfl | so far, so good | 12:09 |
Keybuk | sabdfl: does blueprint automatically set things to accepted? | 12:10 |
sabdfl | Keybuk: if you would have the right to accept it | 12:10 |
sabdfl | so, if a member of ubuntu-drivers nominates a spec, it will be accepted | 12:10 |
Keybuk | ah, so if anyone on ubuntu-drivers proposes a spec, it goes straight to accepted without collecting 200$ ? | 12:10 |
sabdfl | btw, ubuntu-drivers should not include core dev, if it still does | 12:11 |
sabdfl | the drivers really should be drivers | 12:11 |
sabdfl | can i fix that now? | 12:11 |
BenC | mdz: No sure if we need a talk, but if we make it low-priority, we can pick up discussion if there's time | 12:12 |
BenC | mdz: Just added my comment to the bug | 12:12 |
mdz | sabdfl: only if you fix "faster pussycat, kill kill kill" while you're there | 12:12 |
sabdfl | mdz? | 12:12 |
mdz | sabdfl: top of https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers | 12:12 |
sabdfl | wow | 12:13 |
sabdfl | no idea where that came from | 12:13 |
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sabdfl | very non-CoC | 12:13 |
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mdz | sabdfl: h4x0rz | 12:13 |
Keybuk | sabdfl: you're the only person who can edit that | 12:13 |
Keybuk | did someone hack you with alcohol? | 12:13 |
sivang | was this text added intentionally ? :p | 12:13 |
pygi | hey hey simira | 12:14 |
pygi | erggh, sivang* | 12:14 |
sabdfl | weird | 12:14 |
sabdfl | i can't see where to edit that text | 12:14 |
Keybuk | it's probably the team's homepage | 12:14 |
sabdfl | right - done | 12:15 |
sabdfl | this page is seriously lacking a nice title/context | 12:16 |
mdz | sabdfl: do we really need ubuntu-drivers at all? shouldn't that just be TB? | 12:16 |
mdz | it's basically TB + people who were added because they were helping with the schedule at UBZ | 12:16 |
sabdfl | mdz: useful to be able to add people here when its needed without affecting TB | 12:16 |
sabdfl | i'll take the janes off the list | 12:17 |
Keybuk | should the TB be the owner/administrator? | 12:17 |
sabdfl | can do, too | 12:17 |
mdz | that'd be slightly less cabalistic | 12:17 |
sabdfl | done | 12:18 |
mdz | sabdfl: my basic rule of thumb for accepting things for the paris agenda is that one of the attendees is interested | 12:18 |
mdz | sabdfl: maybe for the next one we could have LP do that calculation for us? | 12:19 |
sabdfl | mdz: could do... but we could also just show the people (or the number of people) associated with it that are also registered for the sprint, on the accept/decline page | 12:20 |
mdz | I have a list of spec tracker ideas and needs resulting from working with it a bunch recently | 12:20 |
sabdfl | so its still a manual process, just better informed | 12:20 |
mdz | sabdfl: that's what I was suggesting | 12:20 |
sabdfl | mdz: cool, suggestions welcome | 12:20 |
mdz | that gives us a chance to scare up some interest about it | 12:20 |
sabdfl | main thing on my todo is to move everything to blueprint.launchpad.net/ so you stay in a specs view while jumping from upstream to the distro and to people | 12:21 |
mdz | though when it's proposed, LP should probably say "there's no one attending the sprint who's interested in it; it's unlikely to be accepted unless someone signs up to talk about it" | 12:21 |
mdz | sabdfl: my stuff is so much more useful than that though ;-) | 12:21 |
sabdfl | we should also ask people to note their attendance in LP rather than the wiki | 12:21 |
sivang | mdz , sabdfl : maybe "My interest in this spec is [1.....x.10] " tick box for sub'ers ? | 12:22 |
sabdfl | mdz: useful to... you? | 12:22 |
sabdfl | ;-) | 12:22 |
sivang | sort of a poll style.. | 12:22 |
sabdfl | i primarily want to use blueprint to lead the other apps | 12:22 |
mdz | sabdfl: correct | 12:22 |
mdz | me being someone who uses the spec tracker a lot ;-) | 12:22 |
mdz | Keybuk: why are you trying to join motu? | 12:23 |
sivang | hehe | 12:23 |
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Keybuk | mdz: s/motu/core-dev/ ... was just testing something and needed a team where it was a no-op to join | 12:23 |
Keybuk | ie. one I was already a member of by inferance | 12:24 |
BenC | I've been deactivated from Ubuntu Drivers! | 12:24 |
mdz | Keybuk: why is mjg59 whining about the mailbombing when he was supposed to go to sleep? | 12:24 |
sabdfl | BenC: we took the u-core-dev team out of drivers | 12:24 |
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Keybuk | sabdfl: bug! I got a mail saying I was deactived from Ubuntu Drivers ... yet I'm still a member via a different team | 12:25 |
BenC | it's ok, I'm on too many teams as it is :) | 12:25 |
sabdfl | Keybuk: file it, assign to salgado | 12:25 |
Keybuk | mdz: because the tech-board is marked as an approved for all the specs ... so his mail box is full of e-mail about every change we made :p | 12:25 |
sabdfl | Keybuk: good catch ;-) | 12:25 |
mdz | Keybuk: but he said he was going to sleep before we did that | 12:25 |
sabdfl | Keybuk: why did you mark the tech-board an approver? | 12:25 |
Keybuk | mdz: he woke up again | 12:25 |
mdz | Keybuk: that was his excuse for ditching out on the discussion | 12:25 |
mdz | I see | 12:25 |
Keybuk | sabdfl: so we'd get e-mail about all the changes | 12:25 |
mdz | mjg59: you're not coming to paris? | 12:26 |
sabdfl | hmm... reduces the value of the approver slot, though | 12:26 |
mjg59 | mdz: Correct | 12:26 |
mjg59 | (And I'm supposed to be sleeping, damnit) | 12:26 |
sabdfl | Keybuk: the scheduler will try to make sure the approver is in an early discussion session, to get things off on the right foot | 12:26 |
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sabdfl | for edgy, since specs are sort of "self lead", folks will generally want to be their own approvers | 12:26 |
Keybuk | sabdfl: right, the theory is to change that before the meeting when we assign real approvers | 12:27 |
sabdfl | ok | 12:27 |
sabdfl | jus' checkin' | 12:27 |
sabdfl | night all. morning mjg59. | 12:27 |
mdz | Keybuk: they all start as tech board and will get delegated from there as appropriate | 12:27 |
Keybuk | mjg59: why aren't you coming? :( | 12:27 |
mdz | but I appreciate getting mail about the changes | 12:28 |
mdz | mjg59: yeah, shame on you | 12:28 |
mjg59 | Keybuk: Work | 12:28 |
Keybuk | 135 specs ?! | 12:28 |
Keybuk | they're going up! | 12:28 |
mdz | I didn't add one | 12:28 |
mdz | not since the one I admitted to | 12:29 |
Keybuk | drive-backports ? | 12:29 |
Keybuk | uh, driver-backports | 12:29 |
mdz | that's the one | 12:29 |
Keybuk | hmm, then another one got added between me counting 133 and sabdfl counting 134 | 12:30 |
sabdfl | aiiieee... it's too many, we'll need to do good prioritisation, try give everyone at least one essential, a couple of high, etc | 12:30 |
Keybuk | stat: if each spec requires 3 sessions, and we have 6 sessions a day ... then we need 14 concurrent sessions to fit them all in | 12:30 |
sabdfl | good specs require 6-9 sessions, from experience | 12:31 |
sabdfl | edgy might be less, since it's self-inspired | 12:31 |
sabdfl | the guy writing it up is the guy who dreamed it up, in more cases | 12:31 |
sabdfl | so mostly, he gets to call for comments and feedback, and check interactions with other devs | 12:31 |
sabdfl | but still | 12:31 |
sabdfl | we could easily end up with lots of half-done or badly-done specs, if we try take on too much | 12:32 |
sabdfl | it's a very tight cycle | 12:32 |
sabdfl | mdz: do you want to ask guys to estimate dev time, for specs they are dreaming up? | 12:32 |
mdz | sabdfl: I don't think we can reasonably expect that until the spec is fleshed out | 12:33 |
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Keybuk | ah, #134 was ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration | 12:33 |
sabdfl | ok, night all, really | 12:33 |
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bluefoxicy | ah, good. | 12:40 |
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HiddenWolf | bluefoxicy: osnews/osdir has them for you. | 12:47 |
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sivang | Keybuk: I'm actually erroring at trying to understand the meaning of the software appliance term, they were not using it a year a go IIRC | 01:01 |
Keybuk | "our primary business plan failed, here's plan B" | 01:01 |
sivang | hehe | 01:02 |
sivang | anyway, I'm way past my bed time. laters all, night Keybuk | 01:02 |
neuralis | mako: ping | 01:04 |
bluefoxicy | Keybuk: I'm just picking up major highlights on the install process. I'm planning on boot screen, live desktop, live desktop + firefox, install (with a GNU/FreeDOS partition resize), booting (skip G/FD in grub), and at the desktop. | 01:06 |
Keybuk | bluefoxicy: hmm? | 01:07 |
bluefoxicy | er. | 01:07 |
bluefoxicy | I meant HiddenWolf | 01:07 |
Keybuk | did you mean HiddenWolf ? :) | 01:07 |
bluefoxicy | I mean the keys are practically the same | 01:08 |
bluefoxicy | Key<tab>, Hid<tab>, you know. | 01:08 |
HiddenWolf | bluefoxicy: ah, ok. | 01:08 |
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Keybuk | bluefoxicy: yes, I can see that | 01:11 |
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bddebian | Heya | 02:09 |
LaserJock | anybody know what the default debconf interface is, Dialog? | 02:09 |
LaserJock | and do individual package managers (like synaptic) override that? | 02:09 |
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LaserJock | infinity: ping? | 02:22 |
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Keybuk | ajmitch: my approach for that is to do rm -rf *; tar xf ../new-tar.tar.gz --strip-components=1 | 02:55 |
Keybuk | bzr add | 02:55 |
Keybuk | (bzr notices the removed files automatically) | 02:55 |
ajmitch | right | 02:55 |
Keybuk | basically the same as "moving the .bzr" yes | 02:55 |
Keybuk | it does work particularly well | 02:56 |
ajmitch | so far most of mine just have debian/ in bzr | 02:56 |
ajmitch | I did experiment awhile with keeping various branches, including upstream, around also | 02:56 |
Keybuk | I've not really been enamoured about debian/ in bzr | 02:57 |
Keybuk | it's handy for collaboration though I guess | 02:57 |
ajmitch | I didn't really have useful tools for getting all the patch branches together, keeping everything in sync | 02:58 |
ajmitch | it seemed like more work for less gain | 02:58 |
Keybuk | I decided to drop debian/patches entirely | 02:58 |
Keybuk | "emulating revision control" again | 02:59 |
Keybuk | so I have a "release branch"/"integration branch" which I make releases from | 02:59 |
sladen | Keybuk: how do you cope with rediffing your changes against a fresh upstream? | 02:59 |
Keybuk | and I do feature work on separate branches (the old patches) | 02:59 |
Keybuk | sladen: I have an excellent example right here | 02:59 |
Keybuk | $ cd upstream | 02:59 |
Keybuk | $ rm -rf * | 02:59 |
Keybuk | $ tar xf ../udev-094.tar.gz --strip-components=1 | 02:59 |
Keybuk | $ bzr add | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ bzr commit -m "import udev 094" | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ cd ../ubuntu | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ bzr merge ../upstream | 03:00 |
Keybuk | (no conflicts this time) | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ bzr commit -m "update to udev 094" | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ uch -v094-0ubuntu1 | 03:00 |
Keybuk | $ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S | 03:00 |
sladen | I see | 03:00 |
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Keybuk | (the top lot is just one shell script I have, btw) | 03:01 |
Keybuk | so I really just do | 03:01 |
sladen | and presumely if launchpad is automatically pulling in upstream into bzr then the above means you can just merge from the launchpad copy | 03:01 |
Keybuk | ubuntu$ new-upstream ../udev-094.tar.gz | 03:02 |
Keybuk | sladen: exactly | 03:02 |
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ajmitch | sladen: harder when there's no tags | 03:02 |
Keybuk | importd | 03:02 |
Keybuk | ajmitch: just create branches where you would have created tags | 03:02 |
Keybuk | main$ bzr push sftp://ajmitch@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ajmitch/foo/TAG | 03:02 |
ajmitch | sure, I mean that launchpad doesn't have any tags or similar on the imported products | 03:03 |
Keybuk | launchpad doesn't really _do_ imported products yet | 03:03 |
ajmitch | it has the 0.1 branch of f-spot, for example | 03:03 |
ajmitch | right | 03:03 |
Keybuk | it's still alpha code | 03:03 |
ajmitch | once all the relevant upstream products are imported, it will be quite useful | 03:05 |
sladen | Keybuk: so once it's in that state, what's the easiest way of backing out individual patches that were applied several revisions back | 03:05 |
Keybuk | sladen: well, what I do for patches is | 03:08 |
Keybuk | (creating one) | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ cp upstream ubuntu.iftab | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ cd ubuntu.iftab | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ vi ... | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ bzr commit | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ cd ../ubuntu | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ bzr merge ../ubuntu.iftab | 03:08 |
Keybuk | $ bzr commit -m "merge iftab patch" | 03:08 |
jmg | was there a UTB meeting this morning? | 03:09 |
Keybuk | so that's a patch _in_ | 03:09 |
Keybuk | to update the patch is | 03:09 |
Keybuk | $ cd ../ubuntu.iftab | 03:09 |
Keybuk | $ bzr pull ../upstream | 03:09 |
Keybuk | (or merge) | 03:09 |
Keybuk | so the patch is actually based on upstream | 03:09 |
Keybuk | to back out the patch is easy | 03:09 |
jmg | hmm | 03:09 |
Keybuk | $ bzr merge -r $(bzr revno ../ubuntu.iftab)..1 ../ubuntu.iftab | 03:10 |
Keybuk | (ie merge it in reverse) | 03:10 |
Keybuk | jmg: there was an extraordinary meeting of the Ubuntu Technical Board to discuss spec priorities -- the ordinary meeting was last week and will be again next week | 03:10 |
jmg | Keybuk: ah ok, yes some of my specs were accepted | 03:11 |
Keybuk | were some declined? | 03:11 |
jmg | Keybuk: but there are no logs online yet | 03:11 |
Keybuk | the log should in the usual ubuntu-meeting irclogs place | 03:11 |
jmg | Keybuk: no | 03:11 |
Keybuk | it's not very interesting reading | 03:12 |
jmg | Keybuk: hasnt shown up yet | 03:12 |
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ajmitch | jmg: still doing the job hunt? :) | 03:14 |
jmg | ajmitch: interview tomorrow, phone interview this afternoon | 03:15 |
jmg | ajmitch: i've been relaxing :) | 03:15 |
ajmitch | heh, good | 03:15 |
ajmitch | potential job might still be using ubuntu? | 03:15 |
jmg | debian | 03:16 |
jmg | i'll convince them to switch to ubuntu-server :) | 03:16 |
jmg | i think they would like to have an ubuntu contributor on board, even if he isnt a warthog | 03:17 |
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jmg | yet :) | 03:17 |
jmg | this meeting is confusing | 03:18 |
Keybuk | which meeting? | 03:19 |
sladen | Keybuk: so this means that you have to keep each of that branch directories around indefinately? | 03:21 |
Keybuk | sladen: push them onto the supermirror and it can do that for you | 03:21 |
jmg | ah ok, it was for paris | 03:22 |
sladen | Keybuk: oh boy, that's alot of diskspace/bandwidth | 03:22 |
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ajmitch | sladen: not so bad with repositories | 03:23 |
Keybuk | sladen: not really, just one revision | 03:23 |
jmg | Keybuk: this morning, my specs were approved without discussion | 03:23 |
sladen | for some definition of "so bad" | 03:23 |
Keybuk | sladen: another option is just to bzr log -v and grab the revision ids | 03:23 |
jmg | Keybuk: what is Paris? is that the edgy planning event? | 03:23 |
Keybuk | jmg: yes | 03:23 |
jmg | hopefully i can attend via IRC :-) | 03:24 |
sladen | Keybuk: then reverse-merge from the current directory? | 03:24 |
Keybuk | right | 03:24 |
Keybuk | I can grep "bzr log -v" for "branch nick: ubuntu.iftab" | 03:24 |
sladen | Keybuk: eg. bzr merge -r x..x+1 . ? | 03:24 |
Keybuk | and get the "merged: id" from it | 03:24 |
sladen | that's a much better solution, as long as you don't want to keep modifying the patches | 03:25 |
Keybuk | even if you modify the patches, you can just do it repeatedly for each one with that branch nick | 03:25 |
ajmitch | all these neat little features that snuck into bzr when I wasn't watching | 03:26 |
sladen | Keybuk: so if you're editing foo.patch you do mv ./packagename packagename.foo ; cd packagename.foo ... merge ; cd .. ; mv packagename{.foo,} | 03:27 |
sladen | just to set the branch nick? | 03:27 |
Keybuk | no, I'd cheat and do "bzr nick iftab" | 03:27 |
sladen | this is starting to make more senes | 03:28 |
sladen | (even if I'm not making senes) | 03:28 |
Keybuk | admittedly, the "decide not to include a patch anymore" case is slightly harder with bzr | 03:29 |
Keybuk | but I don't think that's a very common case | 03:29 |
Keybuk | the common case is simply that the patch is merged upstream -- with bzr that's a no-op | 03:30 |
Keybuk | very rarely is a patch abaonded | 03:30 |
Keybuk | (I could be wrong) | 03:30 |
sladen | it can happen when upstream won't take a patch and you decide it's just not worth carrying the delta | 03:30 |
Keybuk | that would assume that the delta is expensive to maintain | 03:31 |
sladen | so more likely to be the case in Universe | 03:31 |
Keybuk | the theory of bzr says that deltas become cheap to maintain | 03:31 |
sladen | yes | 03:31 |
Lathiat | that could easily not be the case especially in rapidly changing projects, no? | 03:32 |
Keybuk | true | 03:32 |
sladen | a sync from Debian is the fast path; a scripted solution that attempted the import+merge would in theory be just as easy | 03:32 |
sladen | it moment it fails to merge, you're back to a human though | 03:33 |
Keybuk | that's always going to be the case | 03:34 |
Keybuk | if two people change the same code in two different ways | 03:34 |
Keybuk | only a human can resolve it | 03:34 |
Keybuk | a revision control system at least gives you "A", "B" and "BASE" | 03:34 |
Keybuk | rather than just A and B | 03:34 |
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stuNNed | ok so esd should be disabled by default and just rely on hw system beep and raw alsa support imho | 04:27 |
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stuNNed | threw crappy imitation flash at esd and it fried alsa | 04:42 |
stuNNed | compiling gnash can't find X | 04:42 |
stuNNed | or xlibs | 04:42 |
stuNNed | one sec let me try the dev packages maybe | 04:43 |
stuNNed | thn x | 04:43 |
stuNNed | 18.4mb isn't too bad, crap | 04:43 |
stuNNed | another 20mb of -dev packages to get gnash going :D | 04:54 |
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infinity | Ahh, it's nice when I wake up to an internet connection that doesn't suck... | 05:35 |
infinity | Fetched 121MB in 2m0s (1005kB/s) | 05:35 |
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dholbach | good morning | 07:15 |
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tepsipakki | fabbione: about the netboot failing here yesterday.. it still does, and the reason is that the installer is trying "http://localmirror/ubuntu dapper-security" which is quite impossible to create | 08:12 |
fabbione | tepsipakki: dapper-security is also on the normal mirrors | 08:13 |
fabbione | i have it on my localmirror as well | 08:13 |
tepsipakki | it is? ok.. will try | 08:13 |
fabbione | so probably you are victim of a wrong mirror pulse | 08:13 |
fabbione | there have been mirroring issues yesterday | 08:13 |
tepsipakki | well, it isn't mirrored here, yet :/ | 08:13 |
fabbione | i don't know if they have been fixed | 08:13 |
fabbione | it is here | 08:14 |
tepsipakki | but I think it should use s.u.c if a local mirror doesn't exitst | 08:14 |
tepsipakki | exist | 08:14 |
tepsipakki | but hold on | 08:14 |
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fabbione | tepsipakki: i am not going anywhere for the next 10 minutes at least | 08:17 |
pitti | Good morning | 08:18 |
fabbione | hey pitti | 08:18 |
tepsipakki | 195189630 bytes will be downloaded into archive. | 08:18 |
dholbach | hi pitti | 08:18 |
tepsipakki | fabbione: I'll report in a minute if that was it :) | 08:18 |
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tepsipakki | bah, forgot to mirror main/debian-installer | 08:23 |
tepsipakki | hmm no, I'm lost now.. it didn't mirror the udeb, and I don't know what repo to use for that | 08:24 |
tepsipakki | oh wait.. | 08:25 |
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tepsipakki | trial-and-error, that's me | 08:28 |
tepsipakki | fabbione: it works now | 08:28 |
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pitti | hi ivoks | 08:53 |
ivoks | hi pitti | 08:53 |
ivoks | pitti: that patch for sharing printer should be droped :) | 08:54 |
pitti | ivoks: which one? | 08:54 |
ivoks | since it doesn't share printer, but printers... and cups can share single printer | 08:54 |
ivoks | pitti: the one that didn't get into dapper | 08:54 |
pitti | ivoks: oh, the g-cups-mgr UI one | 08:54 |
ivoks | yes | 08:54 |
pitti | ivoks: for edgy we need a completely new UI infrastructure anyway (eggcups?), so we need a new patch | 08:55 |
pitti | ivoks: so we should extend enable_sharing to specify a printer name, too? | 08:55 |
ivoks | right, but we should look how to implement "share this printer" | 08:55 |
ivoks | yes | 08:55 |
pitti | ivoks: it would still open the port, and then set an ACL on the partiuclar printer | 08:55 |
ivoks | cups 1.2 supports that | 08:55 |
ivoks | right | 08:55 |
ivoks | it just needs additional instructions... | 08:56 |
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ivoks | pitti: looks like fedora has some development around eggcups | 09:05 |
pitti | ivoks: yes, I think they wrote it in the first place | 09:06 |
ivoks | oh... | 09:06 |
pitti | ivoks: however, last update was Februrary 2004 | 09:06 |
pitti | not exactly up to date either | 09:07 |
ivoks | um... | 09:07 |
ivoks | not quite | 09:07 |
ivoks | http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/fedora/devel/ppc/desktop-printing-0.19-6.ppc.html | 09:07 |
ivoks | it's quite newer | 09:08 |
ivoks | actully, it's never than dapper :) | 09:08 |
pitti | that url doesn't quite seem to work | 09:08 |
ivoks | ok, almost :) | 09:08 |
ivoks | pitti: ok, check this out ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/source/SRPMS/desktop-printing-0.19-9.src.rpm | 09:08 |
pitti | ivoks: however, eggcups is just a gnome-cups-icon replacement | 09:08 |
pitti | ivoks: this one is a g-cups-mgr equivalent? | 09:09 |
ivoks | pitti: i see only eggcups in that archive | 09:09 |
ivoks | but version 0.19 | 09:09 |
ivoks | yup... last release in 2005. | 09:10 |
pitti | jdub: ping | 09:10 |
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ivoks | pitti: yes, this is only icon, they use system-config-printer for printer managment | 09:13 |
pitti | ivoks: what's that? | 09:13 |
pitti | hey seb128! | 09:13 |
seb128 | hello pitti | 09:13 |
ivoks | pitti: redhat's tool | 09:14 |
ivoks | pitti: py program | 09:14 |
pitti | there's really no current gnome-native printer management tool? | 09:14 |
ivoks | i searched and searched... but... | 09:14 |
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ivoks | didn't find anything _recent_ | 09:15 |
seb128 | gnome-cups-manager? | 09:15 |
ivoks | :D | 09:15 |
ivoks | seb128: recent :) | 09:15 |
seb128 | ivoks: it's recent | 09:15 |
pitti | seb128: something that sucks less | 09:15 |
seb128 | or do you want to start a new software from scratch every months to get something "recent"? | 09:16 |
pitti | seb128: no, but something that provides better hotplug support and dbus integration :) | 09:16 |
pitti | seb128: and g-c-m is dead upstream | 09:16 |
seb128 | I think some Novell guys worked on thaty | 09:17 |
seb128 | CVS has probably some new feature over current tarball | 09:17 |
pitti | oh, cool | 09:17 |
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desrt | seb128; how was the vacation? | 09:17 |
pitti | seb128: it seems we should at least use eggcups instead of g-c-icon to get rid of the polling and 100% cpu usage problems, right? | 09:18 |
seb128 | desrt: really good ;) | 09:19 |
seb128 | pitti: yeah, I think so | 09:19 |
seb128 | desrt: nice to do something totally different and to enjoy the nice weather for a week ;) | 09:19 |
pitti | seb128: at least we finally have nice weather here, too :) | 09:20 |
seb128 | now I've to catch up with mails and that's not going to be a lot of fun :p | 09:20 |
desrt | seb128; lots of launchpad backlog, i'd imagine | 09:20 |
desrt | i just had a friend leave my house. he's not a hacker, by far | 09:21 |
desrt | but he's been using ubuntu for a bit over a year and gentoo before that | 09:21 |
desrt | he stated something that he has observed -- | 09:21 |
seb128 | around 800 bug mails yep | 09:21 |
desrt | in open source, nobody is really doing integration | 09:22 |
seb128 | and around 400 mails to my debian or ubuntu email (ie: not counting the mailing-list I'm subscribed to) | 09:22 |
desrt | you get someone writing gnome power manager, and this other guy writing networkmanager | 09:22 |
desrt | but nobody really makes sure that they work together properly | 09:22 |
seb128 | not always true | 09:22 |
desrt | the only time people actually do this is when someone notices a problem, files a bug and makes the "other" maintainer aware of the issues | 09:22 |
seb128 | GNOME does try to do integration | 09:22 |
desrt | i don't think we do very much | 09:22 |
seb128 | that's one of the reason why g-p-m didn't get accepted for desktop previous cycle no? | 09:23 |
fabbione | i'd say it can be done better | 09:23 |
desrt | there were a lot of reasons for that | 09:23 |
seb128 | right, it can | 09:23 |
desrt | g-p-m, wrt the rest of the desktop is pretty much a mess right now | 09:23 |
fabbione | our major problem, but also power is that our API's keep changing very very fast | 09:23 |
desrt | but so is, say, networkmanager | 09:23 |
desrt | they each have these wonderful (and sometimes overlapping) APIs/capabilities _that nobody uses_ | 09:24 |
desrt | fabbione; own any apple laptop hardware? | 09:24 |
fabbione | desrt: ? | 09:24 |
desrt | ibook, powerbook, macbook, anything? | 09:24 |
fabbione | desrt: i have a PB g4 now... | 09:25 |
fabbione | the latest one before Apple become an Intel company | 09:25 |
desrt | the power brick came with a little plug that attaches directly to it and also came with a cord | 09:25 |
fabbione | s/company/reseller | 09:25 |
desrt | does the cord feature a 2 or 3 prong plug? | 09:25 |
pitti | desrt: still have problems with that? :) | 09:25 |
desrt | pitti; i want to know if apple sells a 2-prong cord in any country on earth :) | 09:25 |
fabbione | desrt: the brick has 2 "holes" so even if the plug has ground, it's totally useless | 09:26 |
pitti | desrt: yes, here in .de | 09:26 |
desrt | pitti; fact of the matter is that 2-prong cords in europe are very universal but not 3-prong is | 09:26 |
desrt | fabbione; wrong. | 09:26 |
fabbione | desrt: but dk has different standards, so i get both the dk one and the eu one | 09:26 |
desrt | fabbione; the brick has a little metal stud on it that the ground connects to | 09:26 |
fabbione | desrt: oh right.. i thought that was just to make it more solid | 09:26 |
fabbione | desrt: but well yeah i get both 2 and 3 pins | 09:27 |
desrt | fabbione; nope. subtle but functional :) | 09:27 |
fabbione | the latter is dk standard | 09:27 |
desrt | fabbione; you have a 2-pin europlug for your apple brick?! | 09:27 |
fabbione | yeps | 09:27 |
fabbione | want a pic? | 09:27 |
desrt | please. | 09:27 |
desrt | (just to clarify... we're talking about the cord, not the direct-attachment) | 09:28 |
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fabbione | desrt: yeah | 09:30 |
fabbione | desrt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/IMG_3294.JPG | 09:31 |
desrt | (just to clarify... we're talking about the cord, not the direct-attachment) | 09:31 |
fabbione | dude | 09:31 |
desrt | :) | 09:31 |
fabbione | the cord has the DK standard | 09:31 |
desrt | 3 prong | 09:31 |
fabbione | 3 pins | 09:31 |
desrt | BAH | 09:32 |
desrt | apple, why must you be evil? | 09:32 |
desrt | i think all the cords have 3 pins, alas. | 09:32 |
desrt | thanks for the pic :) | 09:32 |
desrt | ((are those two pins bent together or is it an optical illusion of the photograph?)) | 09:32 |
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fabbione | desrt: the latter.. | 09:33 |
fabbione | actually.. they are bent | 09:33 |
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desrt | :) | 09:33 |
desrt | i read somewhere that the pins on plugs in europe often converge | 09:33 |
desrt | but i'd never seen an example of it before until now | 09:33 |
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ivoks | pitti: fwiw, eggcups compiles and works | 09:36 |
desrt | k. bed. | 09:37 |
desrt | fabbione; thanks again. nite :) | 09:37 |
fabbione | desrt: no problem.. nite | 09:37 |
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ispiked | fabbione: ping | 10:26 |
fabbione | pong | 10:26 |
ispiked | fabbione: was wondering how/when the fix for this bug will get into my dapper system: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6827 | 10:26 |
Ubugtu | Freedesktop bug 6827 in * Other "[patch] crash in fb" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 10:26 |
fabbione | ispiked: no idea. i am not doing X anylonger | 10:27 |
ispiked | fabbione: :( | 10:27 |
ispiked | fabbione: who is? | 10:27 |
fabbione | probably infinity | 10:27 |
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ispiked | infinity: ping | 10:28 |
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infinity | ispiked: ? | 10:28 |
ispiked | infinity: see what I asked fabbione. | 10:28 |
ispiked | infinity: please. :) | 10:28 |
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infinity | ispiked: Is there a bug in Malone, does it have a sane patch attached, etc, etc? | 10:32 |
ispiked | infinity: uhm... dunno. I don't do malone. | 10:32 |
infinity | ispiked: I'm not psychic, and we're certainly not updating dapper with random new upstream releases. | 10:33 |
ispiked | infinity: could you at least include the patch? | 10:33 |
infinity | ispiked: Seriously, file an Ubuntu bug. I will have forgotten that this conversation even happened in about 5 minutes, and I don't have the time right now to evaluate the fix. | 10:34 |
Hobbsee | oh yeah, and link it to the upstream bug :P | 10:34 |
ispiked | infinity: ok. | 10:35 |
ispiked | should it be a "we need to port these changes" bug? | 10:36 |
ispiked | or a "this is what I'm seeing; it sucks; let's port the upstream patch that fixes it" bug? | 10:37 |
crimsun_ | ispiked: just file a bug, link to the fd.o bugtracker, and sub me | 10:37 |
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crimsun_ | please allow our archive team to move edgy along. | 10:38 |
sivang | morning all | 10:40 |
sivang | Znarl: ping, around? | 10:41 |
infinity | crimsun_: Thanks, dude. :/ | 10:41 |
pygi | sivang, mornin' :) | 10:41 |
sivang | morning pygi , how's it going? | 10:41 |
pygi | great, what about you? :) | 10:41 |
Mithrandir | mako: "meteoronome[r] "? Not to be confused with metronome. | 10:41 |
Hobbsee | hey sivang | 10:41 |
sivang | Fine, trying to sort some administrative stuff ;-) | 10:42 |
pygi | nice :) | 10:42 |
ispiked | infinity: you would be as annoying as me if you were experiencing this bug. | 10:42 |
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seb128 | pitti: nice that bug #34112 got fixed | 10:50 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 34112 in libgnomeprint "gnome programs don't respect ~/.cups/lpoptions" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34112 | 10:50 |
pitti | seb128: unfortunately I noticed yesterday that the packages aren't yet built (I mailed infinity already, this needs to be done manually apparently) | 10:50 |
pitti | seb128: but yes, this one was a PITA :) | 10:50 |
seb128 | the number of dups for it is impressive | 10:51 |
pitti | seb128: add six or seven more, yesterday I stumbled over another bug with dups which is likely the same | 10:51 |
seb128 | it was already impression without those :p | 10:52 |
pygi | pitti, you have a sec? | 10:52 |
pitti | pygi: hi! yes | 10:52 |
pygi | pitti, you have debian maintainer powers, right? | 10:52 |
pitti | pygi: yes, I have | 10:52 |
pygi | pitti, nice, any chance you could sponsor one package for me? | 10:53 |
pitti | pygi: depends, which package? | 10:53 |
pygi | this one: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158 | 10:53 |
pitti | pygi: just a bug fix, or a completely new one? | 10:53 |
pygi | completely new one | 10:53 |
pitti | pygi: oh, it's not in Ubuntu yet either | 10:54 |
pygi | pitti, I know :P | 10:54 |
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pitti | pygi: I don't sponsor sutff without auditing the packaging first, so this will take me a while | 10:54 |
pygi | same with diva (diva-project.org) | 10:54 |
pitti | pygi: ok, please mail me the URL to source package to mpitt@debian.org | 10:55 |
pygi | oki, as soon as it's ready :) | 10:55 |
pygi | Thanks | 10:55 |
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pitti | pygi: oh, so this replaces serpentine and n-cd-burner? | 10:56 |
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pygi | pitti, what do you mean by "replace" ? | 10:56 |
pitti | pygi: well, functionality-wise | 10:56 |
pygi | well, one of it's functions is to record audio, right :) | 10:57 |
pygi | and video as well, ofcourse | 10:58 |
pygi | pitti, some stuff like "burning over network" is also there | 10:59 |
Lathiat | pitti: (not that it matters now, but) should http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-288-4 have listed dovecot-pop3d as well? | 11:03 |
pitti | Lathiat: hm, actually yes; let me fix it, thanks | 11:03 |
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pitti | Lathiat: done | 11:04 |
pitti | Lathiat: does it work now for you? | 11:04 |
Lathiat | pitti: yeh, i commented on thebug earlier | 11:04 |
Lathiat | including with my original real sql queries | 11:04 |
pitti | great | 11:04 |
Lathiat | nps, thanks for fixing it :) | 11:05 |
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slomo_ | pygi: dia already has an ITP in debian and there already exists a working package... it's only not uploaded yet because diva is not really stable enough for debian yet | 11:14 |
slomo_ | pygi: s/dia/diva/ | 11:14 |
pygi | slomo_, It actually isnt uploaded because it require CVS dependencies :P | 11:14 |
pygi | But that is change with the 0.0.3 release that we are probably to do this or next week | 11:14 |
pygi | s/is/is going to | 11:15 |
slomo_ | pygi: are you working on it with michael? :) | 11:16 |
pygi | yup, along with two more people :) | 11:16 |
pygi | he just merged the gdv branch which doesn't require patching | 11:18 |
pygi | joy :) | 11:18 |
slomo_ | pygi: cool :) then i bet pitti won't have anything to say against the packaging, it was almost perfect last time i saw it :) | 11:18 |
pygi | slomo_, well, I won't send the package if there's someone already working on it :P | 11:18 |
slomo_ | pygi: i'm not working on it, i was just curious to try it some time ago :) | 11:19 |
pygi | slomo_, I know you are not, but someone obviously is when it's in ITP :P | 11:19 |
pygi | slomo_, is Diva any good? :) | 11:20 |
seb128 | pitti: bug #49192 might be something you want to subscribe to | 11:20 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 49192 in libgcrypt11 "libgcrypt11 has an executable stack" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/49192 | 11:20 |
slomo_ | pygi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359753 | 11:20 |
pitti | seb128: oh, indeed; bluefoxicy mentioned it yesterday AFAIK | 11:20 |
Ubugtu | Debian bug 359753 in wnpp "Subject: ITP: diva -- Easy to use, scalable video editing software for Gnome." [Wishlist,Open] | 11:20 |
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pygi | slomo_, Biebl, right :) | 11:22 |
pygi | slomo_, I thought you were reffering to Michael Dominik, with who I work on Diva :P | 11:23 |
pygi | But right, was talking to Michael Biebl as well :P | 11:23 |
pygi | "I'm currently waiting on diva 0.0.3 which is due the next | 11:24 |
pygi | days, it's planned for this version to work with an unpatched gstreamer. | 11:24 |
pygi | So this will be the first version that is uploaded to unstable." | 11:24 |
pygi | nice :) | 11:24 |
slomo_ | pygi: yes :) i wonder whether pitivi or diva is faster in a usuable state ;) | 11:25 |
pygi | slomo_, Diva ofcourse ;) | 11:25 |
mjr | ooh, working with an _unpatched_ gstreamer :] | 11:26 |
pygi | how can you wonder such a thing :P | 11:26 |
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seaLne | anyone else running popcon? i got a user unknown this morning for popcon@ubuntu.com | 11:27 |
Mithrandir | seaLne: you're supposed to be submitting via http. | 11:27 |
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seaLne | and if you can't because of proxy? | 11:28 |
Mithrandir | then we need to fix email submits. :-P | 11:28 |
seaLne | :) | 11:28 |
Mithrandir | I've been meaning to for a while, but haven't gotten around to it yet. | 11:28 |
Mithrandir | I probably should | 11:28 |
kane_ | what does it take for a bug to get "confirmed" on launchpad ? | 11:28 |
seaLne | Mithrandir: so its been like this for awhile and its only because its me reading mail bounces that i noticed? /me slaps colleagues | 11:29 |
seaLne | kane_: someone else to be able to reproduce it | 11:29 |
Mithrandir | seaLne: it's been like that for a loooong time. I've noticed it too, but that doesn't mean I've found time to fix it. | 11:30 |
seaLne | Mithrandir: np | 11:30 |
kane_ | seaLne: well, Scott Robinson and me both have the same problem (I got it on 2 machines) ... so does the bug get confirmed ? and do confirmed bugs get more attention ? (or is it just a state ?) | 11:30 |
seaLne | kane_: change the state then, confirmed bugs are probably more likely to get looked at | 11:31 |
seaLne | kane_: dosen't mean unconfirmed get ignored tho | 11:31 |
kane_ | seaLne: how do I change the state ? | 11:31 |
kane_ | seaLne: i just see "edit description" ... but that doesnt change the state .. | 11:32 |
kane_ | seaLne: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/48164/+index | 11:32 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 48164 in xorg "Video corruption at installation of xserver-xorg" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 11:32 |
seaLne | kane_: click on the package name under the affects column near the top | 11:32 |
kane_ | seaLne: aah ok :) | 11:33 |
seaLne | no amazingly obvious IMHO :) | 11:33 |
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seaLne | i think there is an attempt to write a desktop app to talk to LP | 11:34 |
kane_ | seaLne: it isn't assigned to anyone ... does that happen automatically ? | 11:34 |
Mithrandir | kane_: does it work if you start the installer with debian-installer/framebuffer=false as a boot parameter? | 11:34 |
kane_ | Mithrandir: i havent tried that ... i can try it and report it at the launchpad | 11:34 |
Mithrandir | kane_: please do. | 11:34 |
kane_ | Mithrandir: ok | 11:35 |
seaLne | kane_: someone will asign it to themselves (possibly) or just work on it | 11:35 |
kane_ | seaLne: aha ok | 11:35 |
seaLne | don't assume its being ignored just because it isn't assigned | 11:35 |
kane_ | seaLne: hehe ... i promise, i won't assume ;) | 11:39 |
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janimo | Mithrandir: do you know if squashfs-lzma is still considered for the future? | 11:48 |
Mithrandir | janimo: argh, I knew there was a spec I'd forgotten. :-( | 11:51 |
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infinity | Mithrandir: Assuming it Just Works, it won't need much of a spec. | 12:30 |
infinity | Mithrandir: Of course, if it doesn't... | 12:30 |
Mithrandir | infinity: it'll still take me a few days to implement, test and debug. | 12:32 |
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dhonn | Will new releases of ubuntu 6.06 be named for example ubuntu 6.06 Service Pack 1? | 01:22 |
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pitti | carlos: BTW, "Replaces:" was specifically meant for updating single files of other packages :) | 01:28 |
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fabbione | dhonn: there is no such thing as Service Pack | 01:46 |
dhonn | Serial Key? | 01:47 |
dhonn | j/p | 01:47 |
dhonn | i mean eventually will have to roll out rehashed updated versions of 6.06 | 01:47 |
carlos | pitti: I didn't finish my NM process, do you remember? ;-) | 01:48 |
dhonn | when there will be tons of updates years later | 01:48 |
carlos | and seems like I didn't get that concept | 01:48 |
pitti | carlos: heh, but it was close enough :) | 01:48 |
stub | Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for its regular code update. Estimated downime is 15 minutes | 01:50 |
fabbione | dhonn: we haven't decided a name yet. | 01:50 |
fabbione | dhonn: probably 6.06a/b/c .. but don't quote me on that | 01:51 |
dhonn | oh not sp1 | 01:51 |
dhonn | not bad | 01:51 |
infinity | I like 6.06.1, 6.06.2, but I suppose this will be a point of contention and much opinion until someone just picks a scheme and uses it. | 01:52 |
fabbione | infinity: yeah whatever.. .1 .2 is fine with me too | 01:52 |
fabbione | but sp1 is so mircosoftish | 01:52 |
infinity | Yeah, I can do without "Service Packs". | 01:52 |
dhonn | it sounds familiar though does it not | 01:53 |
infinity | Only to Windows users. | 01:53 |
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Hobbsee | argh. the idea of callign them service packs makes me cringe. | 01:54 |
Hobbsee | the first thing i think of w.r.t "service packs" is "how much stuff will get broken as a result of this big and bloated thing" | 01:54 |
Hobbsee | and that's coming from a not-really-that-long-ago XP user. | 01:55 |
dhonn | how about "dapper drake 2" | 01:55 |
Hobbsee | dapper drake update 1? /me shrugs | 01:55 |
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rodarvus | meeting time | 02:00 |
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fabbione | dhonn: we will look at that when the problem will arise | 02:02 |
fabbione | no need to call a doctor before you get ill | 02:02 |
dhonn | i was just reading some ubuntu materials and came across it | 02:04 |
zul | hey fabbione | 02:04 |
fabbione | hey zul | 02:04 |
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fabbione | later | 02:04 |
zul | toodles | 02:05 |
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pitti | infinity: did you already get an ok for mysql 5.0.22? | 02:18 |
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jbailey | pitti: moin, Martin. | 02:23 |
pitti | jbailey: salut | 02:24 |
jbailey | pitti: Does SSP apply to libraries, or just the master application? | 02:24 |
pitti | jbailey: it applies to libs as well | 02:24 |
pitti | jbailey: it's a per-function modification | 02:24 |
jbailey | pitti: Ah, 'kay. I wonder if it's been tested with glibc? I'd suspect that it has been, given Fedora's work in this area. | 02:24 |
pitti | jbailey: btw, I'm just trying to build various apps with SSP and track the result on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GccSsp | 02:24 |
pitti | jbailey: that was also on my list of things to check :) | 02:25 |
jbailey | Yes, the WikiMonster kindly emailed me your update. =) | 02:25 |
pitti | oh | 02:25 |
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jbailey | I wasn't sure, though, because all the things you have listed there are apps not libraries. | 02:25 |
pitti | jbailey: but glibc would indeed be interesting, but it has a high potential for breakage, of course | 02:26 |
elmo | don't fedora enable SSP by default? | 02:26 |
jbailey | It also has a very high likelyhood of upstream caring. | 02:26 |
pitti | jbailey: yes, as a first start I use 'leaf' packages without many rdepends | 02:26 |
pitti | elmo: yes, they do | 02:26 |
pitti | elmo: but they certainly have a blacklist; at least xfree86 doesn't work with it, not sure about x.org | 02:26 |
elmo | pitti: why the enable bitwise approach then for us? | 02:27 |
pitti | elmo: well, just cautiousness; I thought I try a few packages locally before proposing anything :) | 02:27 |
pitti | elmo: and e. g. firefox and postgresql already gave problems (2 out of 7 samples), so I think some field tests are appropriate | 02:27 |
elmo | failing to build is one thing | 02:28 |
pitti | elmo: as noted in the spec, I think we can play around it in edgy and selectively enable it, and if it works well, use it by default in edgy+1 right from the start | 02:28 |
elmo | I'd be much more concerned if stuff broke obscurely at run time | 02:28 |
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pitti | elmo: right, the initial packages I picked are those with big test suites, and packages I use myself | 02:29 |
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mdke | Znarl: around today? | 02:32 |
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shawarma | does anyone know if Dapper CD's will be available at UDS? | 02:38 |
elmo | mdke: his network at home is down, so probably not | 02:38 |
elmo | shawarma: yes, they will | 02:38 |
shawarma | elmo: Cool. Thanks. | 02:38 |
shawarma | elmo: About "the other thing"... We'll just have a chat in Paris, I suppose? | 02:38 |
elmo | shawarma: yes | 02:39 |
shawarma | elmo: Great stuff. | 02:39 |
mdke | elmo: ah, ouch. Thanks | 02:40 |
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mjg59 | mdz: Why am I getting notifications for every specification change on the wiki? | 02:45 |
ogra | mjg59, because TB is subscribed to all of them ? | 02:46 |
mjg59 | ogra: That's a very technical answer to the question | 02:49 |
ogra | :) | 02:49 |
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jbailey | mjg59: All signs were that your schoolwork was getting too much attention. This had to be fixed. ;) | 02:56 |
LaserJock | heh | 02:57 |
zul | heh...hey jbailey | 02:57 |
jbailey | Heya Chuck | 02:58 |
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ogra | seb128, would you mind attendint7subscribing to that spec/BOF ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus | 03:44 |
ogra | would be great to have someone with more insight attending | 03:45 |
seb128 | ogra: not at all, I've just started reading the list of specs and subscribing to some | 03:45 |
ogra | cool ! :) | 03:45 |
seb128 | ogra: that looks like a "use sabayon and do a profile by class of user" case | 03:47 |
ogra | seb128, sabayon is broken ... | 03:48 |
ogra | at least for ltsp | 03:48 |
ogra | additionally we thought that enhancing the sudo stuff in the menus should be possible ... | 03:48 |
seb128 | not really scalable | 03:48 |
ogra | so .desktop files could get another category field | 03:49 |
seb128 | it would force to edit every .desktop | 03:49 |
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LaserJock | seb128: heh, give it do bddebian, he'll fix 'em up ;-) | 03:55 |
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seb128 | LaserJock: I don't want somebody to create extra divergence from upstream or Debian for that | 03:55 |
ogra | yeah, lets see what we can come up with in the BOF ... | 03:56 |
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bddebian | Howdy | 04:02 |
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mvo | Keybuk: what is the policy to get a spec from "Informational" back to "normal" (langpack-on-cd spec)? Can I just set it back myself if I feel I have adressed the comments? | 04:13 |
ogra | mvo, there is a way to switch it back ? | 04:14 |
Keybuk | mvo: the summary in LP still hasn't changed | 04:14 |
Keybuk | there's no scope to the spec, it doesn't list source packages that need changing, etc. | 04:15 |
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Keybuk | it reads as "this is something we should do" (informational) not "this is how we should do this" | 04:16 |
mvo | ogra: yes, in "Edit details" | 04:17 |
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ogra | mvo, i meant rather "there is a way to get switching back approved ?" | 04:18 |
looksaus | hi, I'm trying to use launchpad's malone as a bug tracking system for a project | 04:18 |
looksaus | how exactly do I enable that? | 04:18 |
jbailey | looksaus: Best to try #launchpad | 04:18 |
Lathiat | looksaus: try #laucnhpad | 04:18 |
Lathiat | err, #launchpad, or what jbailey said :) | 04:18 |
looksaus | ok, thx | 04:18 |
jbailey | Lathiat: It's like #laucnhpad, but different ;) | 04:19 |
LaserJock | I thought it was lunchpad ;-) | 04:19 |
Lathiat | hehe | 04:19 |
looksaus | hm, I tried #daphcnual , just like you said, but noone answers there :p | 04:20 |
looksaus | no, sorry, should let you work | 04:20 |
looksaus | thx for your great work on ubuntu! | 04:20 |
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pitti | Riddell: do you run dapper or edgy? if dapper, can you please dist-upgrade to today's daily dapper langpacks and tell me about any problem? | 04:20 |
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sivang | re all | 04:23 |
sivang | is there a SoC to make pptp connection establishment (ADSL/Cable) ootb operational ? | 04:23 |
infinity | pitti: No, I'll get on that when I wake up tomorrow and push the upload when it's okayed (I want to pull an RC packaging fix from sid while I'm at it) | 04:23 |
bddebian | Heya sivang | 04:23 |
bddebian | jbailey! Wow :-) | 04:23 |
jbailey | bddebian: Hmm? | 04:24 |
pitti | infinity: I mean, did mdz approve it UVF-wise? | 04:24 |
bddebian | jbailey: Just a hello and nice to see you :-) | 04:24 |
infinity | pitti: No, that was the "I'll get on it" bit (as in, I'll okay it with him, etc) | 04:24 |
pitti | ah, thanks | 04:24 |
infinity | I should get off to bed so I can wake up early enough to catch mdz in the morning. | 04:25 |
jbailey | bddebian: Ah, and hello to you too. | 04:25 |
hunger | How is the toolchain comming along? | 04:25 |
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Riddell | pitti: dapper, upgrading | 04:26 |
Riddell | pitti: is deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/ ./ right? | 04:30 |
pitti | Riddell: correct | 04:30 |
pitti | oh, no | 04:30 |
pitti | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/dapper-updates ./ | 04:30 |
pitti | Riddell: since we also have {hoary,breezy}-updates now | 04:30 |
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Riddell | pitti: bengali and english both working fine in daily/dapper-updates | 04:38 |
pitti | Riddell: great, thank you | 04:38 |
Riddell | infinity: can you set qt-x11-free/3:3.3.6-1ubuntu6 to compile? | 04:39 |
Riddell | infinity: and kubuntu-default-settings/1:6.06-22 | 04:39 |
infinity | Riddell: Those are both in -updates? | 04:41 |
infinity | Riddell: -updates will be back on full-auto tomorrow. I'll make sure they get through. | 04:41 |
Riddell | infinity: yes, both in dapper-updates | 04:41 |
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wasabi_ | lvm2 package. lvm2.preinst. Appears to 'exit 1' if the kernel version is less than 2.6.12? | 04:53 |
wasabi_ | Sort of breaks upgrades. | 04:53 |
wasabi_ | Hoary->Dapper upgrade issue, basically. | 04:54 |
ogra | thats unsupported anyway iirc | 04:54 |
infinity | We don't support hoary->dapper direct. | 04:54 |
infinity | And "breaks upgrades" isn't really the term you're looking for. You want "halts uprades until you install a newer kernel, reboot, and re-run the upgrade". | 04:55 |
wasabi_ | Yeah. ;) | 04:55 |
pygi | jdub, poke? :) | 05:01 |
desrt | BenC; ping | 05:04 |
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BenC | desrt: pong | 05:04 |
desrt | BenC; can you please edit hid-core.c and go down to the powerbook Fn device ID quirks list | 05:05 |
desrt | i just got an email from a guy | 05:06 |
desrt | as it turns out, 0x217 is the ID only for the white macbook keyboards | 05:06 |
desrt | the black models have id 0x218 | 05:06 |
desrt | so i imagine just copy the 0x217 line and add a 218 | 05:07 |
BenC | so add 218? | 05:07 |
thom | crack! | 05:07 |
desrt | ya | 05:07 |
ogra | there are black macbooks ? | 05:07 |
desrt | yup. | 05:07 |
desrt | they cost $200 more than the white ones | 05:07 |
desrt | for no obvious reason | 05:07 |
ogra | you dont have to clean them as often :) | 05:08 |
desrt | fair | 05:08 |
desrt | but i wash my hands pretty frequently | 05:08 |
desrt | so my white one stays pretty clean | 05:08 |
thom | they're trying to convince people they're as cool as thinkpads ;-0 | 05:08 |
desrt | they look cool and all | 05:09 |
desrt | but they're matte finish | 05:09 |
mgalvin | a sleek black case makes it faster ;) | 05:09 |
jjesse | especially if you paint flames on it | 05:09 |
desrt | if you want a matte black laptop (instead of shiny white) then why not just buy a PC? | 05:09 |
jjesse | flames always speed things up | 05:09 |
mgalvin | hehe :) | 05:10 |
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jono | hey ho | 05:17 |
jono | Keybuk, ping | 05:17 |
Keybuk | jono: heyhey | 05:17 |
jono | Keybuk, I need a talk title from you for LRL06 | 05:17 |
jono | and not, Scott James Remnant r0x0r | 05:17 |
Keybuk | "Edgy" | 05:17 |
jono | cool | 05:18 |
bddebian | I like SJR r0xx0rz ! :) | 05:18 |
thom | bddebian: but it's lies! | 05:19 |
bddebian | thom: sshhh, I'm trying to kiss ass ;-) | 05:19 |
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jono | heh | 05:21 |
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jono | Keybuk has been upgraded from "mic boy" at LRL05 to "speaker" :) | 05:27 |
Keybuk | pun intended? | 05:27 |
jono | eh?> | 05:29 |
Keybuk | "microphone" to "speaker" | 05:29 |
jono | oh, heh | 05:29 |
jono | not intended, but ahha! | 05:30 |
Keybuk | but yeah, edgy is going to be my topic | 05:30 |
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Keybuk | all the shiny things to come | 05:30 |
Keybuk | or all the bad things | 05:30 |
Keybuk | btw, is it lug tonight or next week? | 05:31 |
jono | Keybuk, next week, although I won't be there | 05:31 |
Keybuk | me neither | 05:31 |
Keybuk | (Paris) | 05:31 |
jono | ahhh cool | 05:32 |
jono | Keybuk, you at guadec this year? | 05:32 |
sfllaw | Can someone add ubuntu-qa as a member to ubuntu-bugs? | 05:32 |
Keybuk | jono: when is guadec this year? | 05:33 |
Keybuk | (that probably counts as a "no") | 05:33 |
sfllaw | I think bradb pushed a change in access restrictions. | 05:33 |
jono | Keybuk, heh | 05:33 |
jono | can't remember, in a week or so | 05:33 |
jono | maybe two weeks | 05:33 |
Keybuk | lol | 05:34 |
Keybuk | probably not then | 05:34 |
Keybuk | where is it? | 05:34 |
sfllaw | Keybuk: Could you help? You're on the TB. | 05:37 |
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Keybuk | sfllaw: err, what is it that you want? | 05:38 |
Keybuk | try that | 05:38 |
sfllaw | Keybuk: Merci bien! | 05:39 |
highvoltage | sfllaw: you've been learning french too? ;) | 05:40 |
Keybuk | pas problem | 05:40 |
mgalvin | sfllaw: ping? | 05:40 |
sfllaw | mgalvin: Pong. | 05:40 |
mgalvin | howdy | 05:40 |
sfllaw | mgalvin: How can I help you? | 05:41 |
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mgalvin | sfllaw: i don't always have time to hang around for the meetings, what type of bug reports do you give that might be useful for UWN? | 05:41 |
sfllaw | mgalvin: I just give a brief overview of stats. | 05:42 |
jdong|coreduo | sfllaw: like what gentoo weekly news does? | 05:42 |
sfllaw | Sadly, LP doesn't give those to us right now. | 05:42 |
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mgalvin | sfllaw: would it be possible for you to file me in as well each week? | 05:42 |
sfllaw | jdong|coreduo: Hmm. Basically. | 05:42 |
mgalvin | or possible just add the notes yourself if you wish | 05:43 |
jdong|coreduo | alright, interesting idea | 05:43 |
jdong|coreduo | though that might look depressing right now! | 05:43 |
sfllaw | mgalvin: If you ping me, then I surely will. Or if you grep for my name in the irclogs for the dev meeting. | 05:43 |
sfllaw | It is depressing. | 05:43 |
mgalvin | jdong|coreduo: +1 to announcing -backports updates in UWN | 05:43 |
mgalvin | sfllaw: ok cool, thanks | 05:44 |
jdong|coreduo | mgalvin: cool :) | 05:44 |
jdong|coreduo | great job on the newsletter, btw. I really appreciate it | 05:44 |
mgalvin | thanks, glad to work on it :) | 05:44 |
jdong|coreduo | mgalvin: how about a little status update or something on edgy development status? | 05:46 |
mgalvin | for sure... | 05:46 |
jdong|coreduo | backports requesters have been wondering where all the updated packages are, and I don't have an answer to that :) | 05:46 |
mgalvin | UWN will cover all kinds of edgy stuff | 05:46 |
mgalvin | which packages?, just for backports? | 05:47 |
jdong|coreduo | well, just new upstream versions in Edgy in general | 05:48 |
jdong|coreduo | there hasn't been much in that regard | 05:48 |
mgalvin | b/c the dapper-updates are manual atm, and edgy is having its toolchain fixed | 05:48 |
jdong|coreduo | ok, toolchain fixed, I see | 05:48 |
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jdong|coreduo | that was the explanation I was looking for | 05:48 |
mgalvin | once the toolchain and X are working in edgy, the flood gates will open | 05:48 |
mgalvin | cool :) | 05:49 |
jdong|coreduo | lol, then my fun starts :) | 05:49 |
mgalvin | :_ | 05:49 |
mgalvin | :) | 05:49 |
jpatrick | heno: ping | 05:50 |
heno | jpatrick: hi | 05:50 |
jpatrick | heno: I'm wondering about the host, how do we set up the site? | 05:51 |
desrt | so uhm. neat story | 05:51 |
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desrt | the tech support page on ubuntu.com says "if you're very new to ubuntu, go applications->internet->xchat" | 05:52 |
desrt | xchat is no longer part of the default install | 05:52 |
jdong|coreduo | hah, someone forgot to update the site to reflect Dapper :) | 05:52 |
desrt | that would appear to be the case. | 05:53 |
desrt | what would be nice is a javascript/forms-based web irc client (obviously no flash or java) that takes users directly to #ubuntu | 05:54 |
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jdong|coreduo | that would be cool | 05:54 |
jdong|coreduo | wonder if AJAX can do irc | 05:54 |
desrt | i've seen it pre-"ajax" | 05:54 |
jdong|coreduo | I've seen chat apps done in ASP.NET before ajax | 05:55 |
jdong|coreduo | so it's definitely possible | 05:55 |
jdong|coreduo | then again, asp.net was kind of "magical" in that respect... | 05:55 |
desrt | http://webchat.xs4all.nl/cgi-bin/ircnet/irc.cgi | 05:55 |
desrt | something like this | 05:55 |
desrt | it's not bad | 05:55 |
_ion | AFAIK it isn't possible to connect to an arbitrary service using plain ECMAscript. One would need a HTTP wrapper even if she used BORAX. | 05:56 |
desrt | ion; the webserver does the connection for you | 05:57 |
_ion | ChatZilla uses Mozilla's internal API (which isn't available for BORAX) to connect to IRC. | 05:57 |
desrt | ion; and you interact with the webesrver | 05:57 |
_ion | Yes, in that case BORAX doesn't "do IRC". | 05:57 |
_ion | Or at least i consider it that way. | 05:57 |
_ion | The web application "does IRC", and BORAX is just a method of doing things in the UI. | 05:58 |
desrt | is borax some other word for ajax? | 05:58 |
ogra | sounds like a poison | 05:58 |
desrt | sounds like a cleaning agent | 05:58 |
jdong|coreduo | desrt: both do :) | 05:59 |
jdong|coreduo | borax is fun as a cleaning agent | 05:59 |
_ion | Ajax and Borax are cleaners. I use the term somewhat humorously instead of AJAX because i hate the term "AJAX". :-) | 05:59 |
_ion | For instance, AJAX doesn't really have anything to do with XML. | 05:59 |
jdong|coreduo | ever put glue in a borax solution before? | 05:59 |
jdong|coreduo | lol | 05:59 |
_ion | XML _might_ be used with AJAX, but the programmer might choose e.g. plain text or JSON instead. | 06:00 |
desrt | ajax is like web 2.0 | 06:00 |
desrt | it doesn't actually exist | 06:00 |
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desrt | i'm glad that everyone has realised that web2.0 is a joke :) | 06:00 |
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Jhair | [I've sent this to #ubuntu too, sorry for the duplicates] Changelog for recent mozilla security update is not accessible from aptitude (see http://mandala.no-ip.info/~jtocancipa/mozilla_changelog_aptitude.jpg). Are in general Changelogs for security updates accessible through aptitude? | 06:10 |
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kagou | hey seb128 :) hi everybody | 06:14 |
seb128 | lu kagou | 06:14 |
desrt | Jhair; i've never known a changelog to be accessible :p | 06:21 |
ogra | desrt, thats because youre not in the a11y team ;P | 06:24 |
desrt | ogra; not that sort of acccessible :p | 06:25 |
ogra | the others are at changelogs.ubuntu.com :) | 06:25 |
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BenC | 2.6.17-1.1 is showing up in lp now, but everything is listed as Needs Build | 06:48 |
BenC | if I upload -2.2, will it supercede -1.1, leaving it unbuilt? | 06:49 |
BenC | this is edgy kernel | 06:49 |
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seb128 | do other people have the option to change a bug importance? | 06:53 |
dieman | dont think so | 06:54 |
seb128 | is there some team membership required for that? | 06:54 |
dieman | i can't at least | 06:54 |
dieman | im guessing o | 06:54 |
dieman | so | 06:54 |
seb128 | ok, thank you | 06:54 |
seb128 | anybody from the distro team? :) | 06:54 |
seb128 | pitti, mvo? | 06:54 |
pitti | seb128: no idea, sorry | 06:56 |
seb128 | pitti: open any bug, click on the task, look if you can ...? :) | 06:56 |
pitti | seb128: oh, you mean ubuntu-core-dev members :) | 06:57 |
seb128 | it's displayed as a label here, it used to be a list of options to pick | 06:57 |
seb128 | pitti: as said, I've no idea if a team membership is required | 06:57 |
pitti | seb128: no, I can't | 06:57 |
seb128 | I'm trying to understand why I'm not authorized to set bug importance :p | 06:57 |
pitti | seb128: might be due to today's LP rollout | 06:57 |
seb128 | ok, so I'm not alone, good ;) | 06:57 |
seb128 | I'll go ping #launchpad guys then | 06:57 |
mvo | seb128: hello | 06:57 |
seb128 | mvo: that's fine, thank you ;) | 06:58 |
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chantra | can someone tell me why a package didn't make its way through revu.tauware pls | 07:03 |
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ogra | chantra, wrong channel | 07:04 |
chantra | ogra: #ubuntu-motu? | 07:05 |
ogra | yep | 07:05 |
chantra | okie, sorry for the troubles ;) | 07:05 |
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Riddell | infinity: what's happening with qt in dapper-updates? | 07:14 |
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LaserJock | doko: ping? | 08:02 |
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mdz | doko: do we still need gcj-4.1? | 08:33 |
mdz | doko: I thought the only reason was to get gcj 4.1 in main while gcc-4.1 stayed in universe | 08:33 |
mjg59 | mdz: Is there any way that I can stop getting updates every time a spec is edited in the wiki? | 08:34 |
mdz | mjg59: procmail? | 08:34 |
mdz | I'm not particularly keen on that feature myself | 08:35 |
mdz | mjg59: (discussing on #launchpad) | 08:35 |
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Keybuk | mdz: did you approve seb's upload of gnome-doc-utils? | 09:10 |
Keybuk | (or is it granted under gnome +1) | 09:11 |
Keybuk | likewise pango-1.0 | 09:11 |
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Tonio_ | 'evening | 09:18 |
Tonio_ | lodlu | 09:18 |
bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 09:18 |
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Tonio_ | hey bddebian | 09:18 |
mdz | Keybuk: if they're part of the gnome point release, yes | 09:21 |
bddebian | Damnit, how can I test interdependent packages locally? | 09:21 |
Keybuk | mdz: I have a hard job telling what is and isn't part of a gnome point release | 09:22 |
Keybuk | hmm | 09:22 |
Keybuk | the version of pango he uploaded _is_ in ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/platform/2.14/2.14.2/sources/ | 09:23 |
Keybuk | but the version of gnome-doc-utils he uploaded is newer | 09:23 |
mdz | Keybuk: is the changelog enlightening? | 09:24 |
Keybuk | mdz: translation fixes it appears | 09:25 |
Keybuk | * New upstream version: | 09:25 |
Keybuk | - Fixed plurals for fr, wa, nso; bug #338641 | 09:25 |
Keybuk | - Updated translations: | 09:25 |
Keybuk | (list of languages) | 09:25 |
mdz | if it's only translations, those were blanket accepted | 09:25 |
Keybuk | ok, I'll accept both of those then | 09:26 |
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m0Zzg | http://linuxff.org.ru | 09:26 |
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_ion | A spambot. | 09:26 |
Keybuk | he used the wrong colours | 09:27 |
Keybuk | http://launchpad.net/ | 09:27 |
Keybuk | that's what he should have done :p | 09:28 |
dieman | rock, got my own archive setup and changed the key in the installer so i can get my own copy of base-passwd in the debootstrap | 09:29 |
dieman | so many contortions for crazily allocated uid's | 09:29 |
dieman | (on my end for the crazy uids, not ubuntu) | 09:29 |
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ProN00b | does ubuntu set any iptables by default ? | 10:02 |
sladen | ProN00b: no and -> #ubuntu please | 10:02 |
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ProN00b | sladen, i already asked there, no answer, there are only like users in there, they don't know shit or get distracted by the mass spam and don't bother to answer | 10:05 |
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rpedro | hello | 10:08 |
Fjodor | ProN00b: I think the message was "you're offtopic in here, so don't ask. It's #ubuntu or elsewhere, not here" | 10:08 |
ProN00b | Fjodor, i got that message, but thats not an answer | 10:09 |
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Keybuk | ProN00b: this is not a support channel. it does not become a support channel if you are unable to find the answer elsewhere either | 10:10 |
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rpedro | found a problem with the xubuntu .jigdo file at cdimage.ubuntu.com | 10:11 |
ProN00b | i am not asking for support but only for an answer to an yes/no question | 10:11 |
tseng | that falls under the "support" umbrella | 10:11 |
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tseng | and arguing it doesnt help | 10:12 |
rpedro | I had to modified it , otherwise it wont find the .template file :-/ | 10:12 |
thom | ProN00b: and sladen already said "no" anyway | 10:12 |
ProN00b | no, it doesn't, tseng, so stop it ! ^^ | 10:12 |
ProN00b | thom, oh, yeah, thanks for notifying me | 10:13 |
tseng | thanks for paying attention | 10:13 |
tseng | thom: should we put mongrel in edgy? :) | 10:14 |
thom | definitely mate | 10:14 |
thom | i'm on the currentest pre-release and it works really well | 10:14 |
tseng | i am seeing more people using it now | 10:14 |
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thom | yep yep | 10:15 |
thom | hrm, pub | 10:15 |
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Kaloz | .oO(who had that braindead idea to ship hostap without firmware upgrade support?) | 10:30 |
cyanescent | Does anyone "get" launchpad | 10:32 |
Keybuk | cyanescent: ? | 10:37 |
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cyanescent | Keybuk: can't add any feature specs on the ubuntu-art page | 10:37 |
Keybuk | "the ubuntu-art page" ? | 10:38 |
Keybuk | URLs would help at this point | 10:38 |
cyanescent | keybuk: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs | 10:38 |
Keybuk | that's because ubuntu-art is a person | 10:38 |
Keybuk | you can't file a spec against a person | 10:38 |
cyanescent | or am I being lame ? | 10:38 |
Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs | 10:38 |
cyanescent | ok so I login, and click on my name | 10:39 |
cyanescent | but I still can't add any | 10:39 |
cyanescent | + add myself to the list ;/ | 10:39 |
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Keybuk | why did you click your name? | 10:40 |
Keybuk | login, then from the /distros/ubuntu/+specs page, you can click "+ New Specification" | 10:40 |
Keybuk | or you can click a spec and subscribe to it | 10:40 |
cyanescent | well, I thought it might do something interesting | 10:40 |
cyanescent | oh | 10:40 |
cyanescent | k | 10:40 |
cyanescent | but then its listed with non-relevant stuff | 10:42 |
cyanescent | ok thanks that now appears | 10:48 |
cyanescent | hmm... a little steep the learning curve on this proggy | 10:48 |
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evilrabbi | i need help | 11:01 |
evilrabbi | xine wont install and i cant look at my porn | 11:01 |
mdke | evilrabbi: #ubuntu | 11:02 |
evilrabbi | HWY | 11:02 |
evilrabbi | k | 11:02 |
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evilrabbi | is it true that ubuntu developers are pedos ? | 11:02 |
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_ion | evilrabbi: You really have to work on your troll routine. | 11:02 |
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evilrabbi | bddebian pedophile | 11:03 |
_ion | evilrabbi: I have seen some good trolls; frankly you're not one of them. | 11:03 |
mdke | _ion: no need to talk to it | 11:03 |
evilrabbi | in other words ubuntu is a way for them to trick kids in to /msging them for "help" | 11:03 |
_ion | mdke: Yeah, i'll ignore it from now on. | 11:03 |
evilrabbi | _ion was on mdke was on "To Catch A Predator" | 11:04 |
evilrabbi | he was chasing a cat around naked | 11:04 |
mdke | Keybuk: if you're still around | 11:04 |
Keybuk | mdke: I am | 11:04 |
Keybuk | ? | 11:05 |
Keybuk | oh ^ | 11:05 |
mdke | can you bitchslap this guy | 11:05 |
evilrabbi | =( | 11:05 |
evilrabbi | i'm not 10 | 11:05 |
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Keybuk | STOP FILLING UP MY INBOX! | 11:41 |
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bddebian | heh | 11:42 |
Keybuk | mdz: I do filter e-mail | 11:42 |
Keybuk | Launchpad just defeats that by sending everything to one address | 11:43 |
Keybuk | I'm clearly going to have to make a special case for wiki changes | 11:43 |
mdz | I already filter wiki changes to a separate folder | 11:44 |
bluefoxicy | <3 thunderbird filters | 11:45 |
Seveas | Keybuk, doesn't blueprint add nice flterable headers? | 11:46 |
Keybuk | Seveas: no, they're just x-generated-by: launchpad ones | 11:46 |
Seveas | bah | 11:46 |
Seveas | file a bug | 11:46 |
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