[12:06] <ogra> mdz, btw if you see any need to revisit unionfs for ltsp, feel free to drop me a spec :)
[12:08] <mdz> Keybuk: it still randomly oopses sometimes
[12:09] <mdz> even with our very basic configuration
[12:09] <mdz> and unionfs for ltsp was a DISASTER
[12:09] <mdz> it and NFS hate each other
[12:09] <ogra> yep
[12:09] <ogra> but that might have improved, i havent looked at unionfs' changelog since quite some time
[12:12] <Keybuk> mdz: so that explains that then ... anyone in ubuntu-core-dev who proposed a spec automatically had it accepted
[12:13] <mdz> Keybuk: that's odd, there were things on +settopics which were proposed by -core-dev
[12:14] <mdz> Keybuk: but anyway that was OK in almost every case since most of -core-dev will be there
[12:14] <Keybuk> we can't tell who proposed it though, no?
[12:14] <mdz> no
[12:14] <Keybuk> we can only tell who registered it
[12:14] <mjg59> Argh my inbox
[12:32] <Keybuk> mdz: so, what do do with these undefined ones?
[12:37] <mdz> Keybuk: I think maybe they should be left alone for now
[12:38] <mdz> Keybuk: or set them all to low
[12:38] <Keybuk> undefined is better than low, it shows we haven't thought about it yet
[12:38] <mdz> I don't want to futz around with the browser to set them all when it's not clear what we'll want in the end
[12:39] <mdz> there could be things buried in the swamp that are on there for a reason, like someone coming in just to discuss one thing
[12:39] <mdz> and those should be prioritized 
[12:39] <mdz> the sab says we have too many already
[12:40] <mdz> Keybuk: it also depends on how many specs each person has so far
[12:40] <Keybuk> 4 Essential, 33 High, 23 Medium
[12:41] <Keybuk> yeah, it's annoying we don't have a sprint workload feature
[12:41] <Riddell> does assigned mean I'm expected to implement it or just to lead the BoF?
[12:41] <mdz> leaving what...65?
[12:41] <Keybuk> yup, 65 undefined
[12:41] <mdz> Riddell: it means I wanted to see your name next to it on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs
[12:41] <Keybuk> unsurprisingly the most assigned are Riddell and ogra
[12:42] <Keybuk> being derivative maintainers
[12:42] <Keybuk> after that, it's tollef and mvo
[12:42] <Riddell> Keybuk: I have a bunch of KDE people coming who can share the load
[12:44] <Keybuk> NMSP is a sabdfl-desired discussion
[12:44] <Keybuk> so bumped that to Essential -- should only be 1 session
[12:45] <sivang> Keybuk: NMSP ?
[12:45] <Keybuk> sivang: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages
[12:46] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, right.
[12:51] <Keybuk> WHAT IS RPATH?
[12:51] <Keybuk> err, tr [A-Z]  [a-z] 
[12:52] <sivang> Keybuk: seriously asking? :)
[12:52] <Keybuk> the only rpath I know about is the ld flag to hardcode a path to look for shared libraries in
[12:53] <sivang> Keybuk: http://www.rpath.com/corp/
[12:53] <zul> heh there is always a patch for quieten grub
[12:53] <sivang> Keybuk: Keybuk http://wiki.conary.com/
[12:53] <Keybuk> sivang: that doesn't seem to fit
[12:53] <Keybuk> "software applicance company" ?
[12:53] <Keybuk> sounds like makers of network applicances
[12:53] <sivang> Keybuk: sounded the same for me
[12:53] <Keybuk> oh, conary
[12:54] <sivang> Keybuk: but I was interested in conary some time ago, in the "recepies" method but then forgot about it until I saw the delegates list :-)
[12:55] <Keybuk> I've never really worked out what conary is supposed to be *for*
[12:55] <sivang> Keybuk: also, if we have rants per autotools et al, we can direct them at Erik and Michael ;-)
[12:56] <sivang> Keybuk: reading the NMSP wiki , I think there are colliding efforts to solve some of the similar issues. "the RCS approach to packaging" or so.
[12:56] <Keybuk> sivang: right, except it's an RCS approach to binary packages
[12:56] <Keybuk> ie. you checkout 1.0 of the udev binary
[12:56] <Keybuk> and update to 1.1, etc.
[01:18] <kbrooks> sivang: ? :P
[01:20] <kbrooks> can i ask a questino
[01:21] <kbrooks> i'm reading that spec
[01:21] <kbrooks> and
[01:21] <kbrooks> i simply dont get it
[01:21] <kbrooks> source packages are necessary, no?
[01:23] <kbrooks> it is a BIG paradigm change for EVERYONE
[01:24] <kbrooks> it could be argued that the spec is technically flawed
[01:31] <Riddell> kbrooks: how is it technically flawed?
[01:31] <kbrooks> Riddell: well, as i said, it's a big paradigm change... and i think the spec author wants apt-get source (as a example, of course) to be changed
[01:32] <Riddell> yes that's right
[01:32] <Riddell> but you've not pointed out any flaw
[01:33] <kbrooks> Riddell: that's the flaw. changing apt-get source is a flaw imo
[01:33] <Riddell> it would help your argument if you gave a reason :)
[01:33] <Riddell> this is all an evil plan from sabdfl, you can ask him about it and he'll put his pinky in his mouth and laugh manically (really)
[01:34] <ajmitch> kbrooks: stating "it's flawed" isn't enough :)
[01:35] <kbrooks> it's a flaw because apt-get source shouldn't be changed.
[01:35] <ajmitch> but why not?
[01:36] <kbrooks> because it is a big b/c (backwards compatibility) problem
[01:37] <kbrooks> if we want apt-get source to be changed, then we should add "--use-bzr" and leave that off.
[02:10] <Keybuk> kbrooks: why?
[02:10] <Keybuk> kbrooks: you've failed to give a reason
[02:11] <Keybuk> "X is flawed?"
[02:11] <Keybuk> "why is X flawed?"
[02:11] <Keybuk> "because X is flawed?"
[02:11] <Keybuk> "but why?"
[02:14] <Keybuk> kbrooks: the spec can be summed up as "make a fundamental, BIG paradigm change for everyone" ... that's kinda the point
[02:19] <kbrooks> Keybuk: OK
[02:20] <kbrooks> Keybuk: where can i talk about specs in?
[02:20] <ogra> i'd summarize it as "drop all the middleware packaging crap between the developer and the source"
[02:21] <kbrooks> ogra: wherre can I talk about specs in? ping
[02:22] <ogra> kbrooks, in paris :)
[02:22] <kbrooks> ogra: i'm talking about a IRC channel
[02:23] <kbrooks> ogra: france is too far for me :-)
[02:23] <LaserJock> maybe -offtopic ? unless -devel wants it
[02:23] <ogra> the specs are the base for face to face discussions ... even though we might be available on IRC during the discussion, having a BOF meeting on IRC in parallel while speccing something doesnt work well
[02:32] <Keybuk> you will be able to listen in to all of the BOFs by installing a piece of VoIP software
[02:32] <Keybuk> as all BOFs will be broadcast that way
[02:32] <ogra> oh, really ?
[02:32] <Keybuk> if you have any particular problems with the NoMoreSourcePackages spec though, I'd be happy to discuss them with you (I'm the author of that spec)
[02:32] <ogra> thats cool :)
[02:32] <Keybuk> hang on, let me flip to laptop
[02:33] <Keybuk> better
[02:33] <Keybuk> ogra: that's why elmo asked whether anyone had a !i386 ... the software only works on i386
[02:33] <Keybuk> and we all get headsets and get to pretend to be Madonna
[02:34] <ogra> i think NMSP is just a logical consequence if launchpad ...
[02:34] <ogra> hmm, good to know, i'll make sure to have my amd64 lappie with me ...
[02:34] <Keybuk> kbrooks: so, tell me you problems
[02:35] <LaserJock> Keybuk: everybody?
[02:35] <kbrooks> Keybuk: well, OK. as i said, it's a big change
[02:35] <zul> Keybuk: sweet!
[02:35] <Keybuk> LaserJock: I'm not sure, I'm not sure I'm supposed to know the secret plan <g>
[02:35] <Keybuk> kbrooks: it is a big change, yes ... it means learning a completely new way to do packaging work
[02:35] <kbrooks> Keybuk: won't this change be bad?
[02:36] <Keybuk> kbrooks: why would it be "bad" ?
[02:36] <Keybuk> bad would imply that a change has negative consequences
[02:36] <kbrooks> Keybuk: bad as in counterproductive
[02:36] <Keybuk> I would have said it would increase productivity
[02:36] <kbrooks> Keybuk: how does it increase productivity?
[02:37] <Keybuk> updating to new upstream releases becomes simple ... just merge from the upstream branch; no more tedious mucking around with tarballs and getting the patches right
[02:37] <Keybuk> merging with Debian becomes just as simple ... just merge from the Debian branch
[02:37] <Keybuk> no more mom, manual merges, etc.
[02:37] <kbrooks> Keybuk: "mom"?
[02:37] <Keybuk> kbrooks: merge-o-matic; the thing we spend the first two months of any release dealing with
[02:38] <Keybuk> contributing changes to Ubuntu becomes simple
[02:38] <Keybuk> right now you have to do something like:
[02:38] <Keybuk> apt-get source foo
[02:38] <kbrooks> Keybuk: what do you  mean, no more merge-o-matic? why would this supersede mom?
[02:38] <Keybuk> cp foo foo~   (so you can diff later ... most people forget this)
[02:38] <Keybuk> make changes to foo
[02:38] <Keybuk> make a diff from foo~ to foo
[02:38] <Keybuk> now that becomes just
[02:38] <Keybuk> branch foo; make changes; commit; tell a developer
[02:38] <LaserJock> yeah, at first I was like "woah" but now I'm like "wow"
[02:38] <Keybuk> kbrooks: because anyone can just "bzr merge $debian"
[02:38] <kbrooks> LaserJock: woah as in?
[02:39] <LaserJock> kbrooks: woah as in, that's a big change
[02:39] <kbrooks> Keybuk: stop. $debian? 
[02:39] <Keybuk> kbrooks: whatever the branch URL for debian turns out to be
[02:39] <Keybuk> probably just "debian"
[02:39] <kbrooks> Keybuk: ummm.........
[02:39] <kbrooks> Keybuk: what do you mean?
[02:40] <Keybuk> Debian
[02:40] <Keybuk> it's a Linux distribution
[02:40] <kbrooks> Keybuk: where does this URL come from/
[02:40] <Keybuk> every 6 months, we catch up with the changes they've made by merging them into Ubuntu
[02:40] <Keybuk> that's our primary source of development
[02:40] <Keybuk> right now that is _hard_work_
[02:40] <Keybuk> kbrooks: Launchpad
[02:40] <kbrooks> Keybuk: the *original* debian package?
[02:41] <Keybuk> it would be the Debian package imported into bzr, in a manner that allows us to merge from it
[02:41] <kbrooks> Keybuk: OK
[02:41] <kbrooks> "merge from it"? don't you mean "merge TO it"?
[02:41] <Keybuk> bzr diff -r tag:093-1..tag:094-1 .../udev
[02:41] <Keybuk> wouldn't that be great?
[02:41] <Keybuk> no, from
[02:41] <Keybuk> cd ubuntu-udev
[02:41] <Keybuk> bzr merge .../debian-udev
[02:42] <Keybuk> take the changes made in debian-udev and merge them into the ubuntu-udev branch
[02:42] <Keybuk> ("merge from debian-udev")
[02:42] <kbrooks> Keybuk: yes it would be great. 
[02:42] <Keybuk> hell, forget just diff'ing revisions
[02:42] <kbrooks> Keybuk: "tag:" ?
[02:42] <Keybuk> kbrooks: I'm making up syntax :p
[02:43] <kbrooks> OK :p
[02:43] <Keybuk> bzr branch .../udev
[02:43] <Keybuk> # make changes you like
[02:43] <Keybuk> bzr commit
[02:43] <kbrooks> that's it/
[02:43] <kbrooks> 3 lines?
[02:43] <kbrooks> ...
[02:43] <Keybuk> bzr push launchpad/~kbrooks/my-udev
[02:43] <kbrooks> now i'm like "wow"
[02:43] <Keybuk> yeah
[02:43] <ogra> Keybuk, i'd really whish i could do that with debians ltsp (which is even in bzr) :) 
[02:43] <Keybuk> now you have your own udev package
[02:43] <Keybuk> Launchpad builds it for you, yadda, yadda
[02:43] <Keybuk> but oh no, new ubuntu udev package *sigh*
[02:43] <kbrooks> Keybuk: huh?
[02:43] <Keybuk> bzr merge .../udev
[02:43] <Keybuk> easy
[02:43] <Keybuk> now you're up to date
[02:43] <kbrooks> Keybuk: stop for a min.
[02:44] <kbrooks> Keybuk: launchpad builds my new udev package?
[02:44] <Keybuk> ogra: why can't you?
[02:44] <Keybuk> kbrooks: sure
[02:44] <kbrooks> Keybuk: so its semi automatic?
[02:44] <kbrooks> Keybuk: so far i like the idea
[02:45] <Keybuk> hmm, for some reason the Launchpad spec tracker has become password protected
[02:45] <kbrooks> Keybuk: it's cool - revision control leveraged, that is
[02:45] <LaserJock> Keybuk: do you think that is doable in Edgy?
[02:45] <ogra> Keybuk, because i dont want all the skolelinux fixes and debian-edu changes we dont need in our package, but the feature i want to maerge wasnt developed ina separate branch and they merged randomly in the middle of feature development 
[02:45] <Keybuk> kbrooks: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PersonalPackageArchives
[02:45] <Keybuk> can you see that?
[02:45] <kbrooks> who, me?
[02:45] <Keybuk> yeah
[02:46] <Keybuk> LaserJock: I think there's enough time that edgy+1 could be maintained that way
[02:46] <Keybuk> however it requires a lot of work by the LP guys -- who have a very full plate
[02:46] <kbrooks> Keybuk: WTF?
[02:46] <kbrooks> Keybuk: I can see it
[02:46] <kbrooks> Keybuk: i wonder why I can.
[02:46] <Keybuk> kbrooks: that's the old public wiki
[02:47] <Keybuk> I don't know why the new one is private :-/  even I don't have the password to it
[02:47] <ogra> Keybuk, so i have 180 changes where i want a feature that was developed in ~70 commits of these 180 changes ... but scattered in there are merges that diverge the base from ours ...
[02:47] <LaserJock> Keybuk: yeah, that is what I was sort of thinking, how would you transition that? whould it have to be all or nothing?
[02:47] <ogra> so i end up with tons of conflicts ...
[02:47] <kbrooks> Keybuk: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PersonalPackageArchives: HCT: define?
[02:47] <Keybuk> HCT is the predecessor to NoMoreSourcePackages
[02:48] <Keybuk> the idea was a tool that used revision control to maintain source packages
[02:48] <Keybuk> I no longer think that's the correct approach
[02:48] <kbrooks> what does HCT stand for
[02:48] <Keybuk> (PPA is an old spec, written ~1 year ago)
[02:48] <Keybuk> Hypothetical Changeset Tool
[02:48] <Keybuk> ogra: ah, that old problem :p
[02:48] <Keybuk> ogra: the solution is to force better practice
[02:49] <ogra> Keybuk, yes, *i* know that, *i* have a separate branch for every ltsp feature 
[02:49] <Keybuk> ogra: I mean force it upon Debian -- teach them why branches is better
[02:50] <kbrooks> Keybuk: how?
[02:50] <ogra> the solution is to teach people to actually *use* the branching opportunities bzr gives them
[02:50] <kbrooks> ogra: how?
[02:50] <ogra> kbrooks, develop every single feature in a separate branch of the main app ...
[02:51] <ogra> in the end you just do: cd ltsp && bzr merge ../ltsp-sound
[02:51] <kbrooks> ogra: "every single feature"?
[02:51] <Keybuk> branches are cheap
[02:51] <kbrooks> ogra: show me a quick example?
[02:51] <ogra> so everybody wanting your feature can grab it as well from there
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ cp -a udev udev.fix-bug-12345
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ cd udev.fix-bug-12345
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ vi udevd.c
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ bzr commit
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ cd ../udev
[02:51] <kbrooks> ogra: this reminds me of svn branches :-)
[02:51] <Keybuk> $ bzr merge ../udev.fix-bug-12345
[02:52] <Keybuk> (real syntax)
[02:52] <ogra> kbrooks, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/
[02:52] <kbrooks> ogra: except SVN is centralized
[02:52] <ogra> see the amount of branches 
[02:52] <kbrooks> ogra: 8?
[02:53] <Keybuk> ogra: btw, BzrMaintainerHowto ... get ltsp pushed into the supermirror so everyone can hack <g>
[02:53] <ajmitch> Keybuk: so you're not going to work on hct any longer?
[02:53] <kbrooks> supermirror?
[02:53] <kbrooks> ummm
[02:53] <kbrooks> teach me :P
[02:53] <ogra> Keybuk, i havent an edgy branch yet before i decide how i merge the debian modularization of ltsp without breaking ours completely
[02:53] <Keybuk> kbrooks: bazaar.launchpad.net
[02:53] <Keybuk> kbrooks: basically it's a giant place anyone can host a bzr branch or mirror
[02:54] <Keybuk> e.g. http://launchpad.net/products/udev/+branches
[02:54] <kbrooks> Keybuk: meta mirror?
[02:54] <Keybuk> there you can see the different known udev branches
[02:54] <ajmitch> Keybuk: the problem I found with bzr & importing upstream tarballs what to do on new upstream releases when stuff gets moved around
[02:54] <Keybuk> if you click on "Ubuntu package of udev"
[02:54] <Keybuk> you can see the different revisions
[02:54] <ajmitch> afaik the best option is to just copy over the .bzr dir
[02:54] <Keybuk> you also get a URL ("http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu") that you can give to bzr
[02:54] <Keybuk> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu
[02:55] <Keybuk> will give you a directory containing the ubuntu source package of udev
[02:55] <Keybuk> (today)
[02:55] <Keybuk> ajmitch: -> #u-d
[02:56] <kbrooks> devel?
[02:56] <kbrooks> Keybuk: i get.... redirected
[02:57] <kbrooks> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/ doesnt work
[02:57] <kbrooks> or should it?
[02:57] <Keybuk> there's nothing "interesting" at the top-level
[02:57] <Keybuk> follow the chain I gave to see interesting things
[02:58] <kbrooks> Keybuk: connecting
[02:58] <kbrooks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev 404
[02:59] <kbrooks> weird heh
[02:59] <kbrooks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/
[03:00] <kbrooks> Keybuk: i dont see interesting things there
[03:00] <Keybuk> kbrooks: add a .bzr
[03:00] <Keybuk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/.bzr
[03:00] <Keybuk> it's a bzr branch
[03:00] <kbrooks> ah
[03:00] <kbrooks> ty
[07:58] <Ekushey> when is the next CC meeting?
[08:55] <dsas> !schedule london
[08:56] <robitaille> @schedule london
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[08:57] <dsas> thanks
[09:04] <jenda> Ekushey: nobody knows :) I've been trying to find out for a week.
[09:06] <Ekushey> jenda: ping me if u find out ;)
[09:09] <jenda> Ekushey: OK
[10:19] <EmxBA> hi again :)
[10:20] <highvoltage> heh :)
[10:20] <EmxBA> hehe :)
[11:40] <cbx33> @schedule london
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[11:44] <EmxBA> @london
[11:44] <cbx33> @schedule london
[11:44] <EmxBA> @schedule london
[11:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[11:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[11:45] <EmxBA> @schedule sarajevo
[11:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board
[11:46] <simira> when's the next CC?
[11:47] <cbx33> simira: check fridge
[11:47] <EmxBA> so edubuntu cookbook is tomorrow
[11:47] <EmxBA> 21:00
[11:49] <simira> cbx33: yes... and? There's no meeting scheduled the next month, as I can see
[11:50] <cbx33> hmm
[11:50] <cbx33> sorry,was just suggesting, I havn't looked either
[11:51] <EmxBA> @schedule sarajevo
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board
[11:51] <DanielC> @schedule sarajevo
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board
[11:52] <EmxBA> ok
[11:52] <EmxBA> 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:52] <EmxBA> and "15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook "
[11:52] <EmxBA> i'll be on cookbook
[11:52] <EmxBA> today maybe not
[11:54] <DanielC> @schedule london
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board
[11:55] <Ekushey> @schedule dhaka
[11:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Dhaka: 14 Jun 18:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 19:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 23:00: Documentation Team | 16 Jun 02:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 21 Jun 02:00: Technical Board
[11:56] <Ekushey> cool
[11:56] <EmxBA> @schedule antartica
[11:57] <DanielC> EmxBA: Antartica is a continent that covers every timezone on Earth because it contains a pole.
[11:57] <EmxBA> @schedule south_pole
[11:57] <EmxBA> :)
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Antarctica/South_Pole: 15 Jun 00:00: Edubuntu | 15 Jun 01:30: Xubuntu | 16 Jun 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 05:00: Documentation Team | 16 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 21 Jun 08:00: Technical Board
[11:58] <EmxBA> danielC: i know that, just kidding
[11:58] <Ekushey> lol
[12:02] <Seveas> @now
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 14 2006, 10:02:20 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 1 hours
[12:02] <EmxBA> ok
[12:02] <Seveas> meh
[12:02] <Seveas> that's incorrect
[12:02] <Seveas> it's in 1:58
[12:03] <EmxBA> hi seveas
[12:03] <highvoltage> wow that's quite cool (about antartica)
[12:03] <EmxBA> lol
[12:06] <Seveas> @now 
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[12:06] <EmxBA> wtf?
[12:07] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[12:07] <Seveas> @now 
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[12:07] <Seveas> stupid bot
[12:07] <EmxBA> lol
[12:07] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[12:07] <EmxBA> i finally installed ethereal
[12:07] <Seveas> @now 
[12:07] <EmxBA> enjoy
[12:07] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 14 2006, 10:07:57 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 1 hour 52 minutes
[12:07] <highvoltage> EmxBA: please don't say 'wtf?' on #ubuntu-meeting, it's considered to be against the CoC :)
[12:08] <EmxBA> ok
[12:08] <EmxBA> no bad words
[12:08] <EmxBA> :)
[12:08] <highvoltage> EmxBA: nah, it happens :)
[12:08] <Seveas> there, ubugtu now is a bit more correct
[12:08] <EmxBA> i know
[12:18] <GNAM> @schedule Rome
[12:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board
[12:23] <EmxBA> :)
[12:46] <EmxBA> everyone, join #edubuntu-bosnia
[12:56] <Seveas> EmxBA, please don't clutter up the logs of #ubuntu-meeting. Preferably this channel is completely silent between meetings
[12:57] <EmxBA> ok
[12:58] <Ekushey> Seveas: EmxBA says he's 14 years old
[12:58] <Seveas> Ekushey, even 14 year old people ahould be quiet ;)
[12:59] <EmxBA> ok
[01:00] <jenda> Seveas: very non-CoC-conformist...
[01:01] <Seveas> jenda, ?
[01:01] <jenda> err... never mind, I missed the 'even'... it sounded a lot worse without it. Sorry ;)
[01:01] <ogra> jenda, ?
[01:02] <Seveas> hahaha
[01:59] <kbrooks> meeting
[01:59] <kbrooks> ogra! ping
[01:59] <kbrooks> ogra! start it
[02:00] <cbx33> kbrooks: you seem rather excited
[02:00] <cbx33> <--------------------------------meeting notes start here--------------------------------------->
[02:00] <Seveas> <------------- no, here --------------->
[02:00] <kbrooks> heh Seveas 
[02:00] <cbx33> damn you :p
[02:00] <ogra>  <------------- no ... , here --------------->
[02:00] <flint> ogra, good morning!
[02:00] <kbrooks> damn you ogra :P
[02:00] <ogra> hey Flik 
[02:00] <JaneW> <----- here----->
[02:00] <ogra> heh
[02:01] <ogra> flint too
[02:01] <Seveas> hi JaneW !
[02:01] <ogra> sooo
[02:01] <kbrooks> JaneW: you're silly. :-)
[02:01] <JaneW> hi everyone
[02:01] <ogra> we have some major changes i'd like to talk about in advance
[02:01] <DanielC> hi everyone, first time at an Edubuntu meeting.
[02:01] <cbx33> ogra: sounds ominous
[02:01] <ogra> rodarvus, around ? 
[02:01] <rodarvus> ogra: I'm here
[02:01] <ogra> yay
[02:02] <ogra> ok, as you all might have seen on the mailing list, JaneW is leaving us today
[02:02] <flint> JaneW, Bummer...
[02:02] <DanielC> :(
[02:02] <kbrooks> !!!
[02:02] <kbrooks> why?
[02:02] <cbx33> maybe we should all go on strike
[02:02] <flint> JaneW, what is it, Kids, health or new horizons?
[02:03] <ogra> please giver her a long big hug if you ever meet her in person, the first edubuntu release would never have happened without her
[02:03] <bluekuja> JaneW: thanks
[02:03] <JaneW> flint: bit of everything, but mostly looking for sane hours
[02:03] <kbrooks> ogra: doesnt surprise me
[02:03] <ogra> heh
[02:03] <JaneW> ogra: pah, edubuntu is all YOU
[02:03] <ogra> not at all
[02:03] <kbrooks> ogra: other changes?
[02:03] <ogra> i wouldnt have managed any of the paperwork 
[02:04] <ogra> kbrooks, patiency is golden :P
[02:04] <kbrooks> ogra: OK
[02:04] <ogra> JaneW, we will and if only to please you 
[02:04] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:04] <kbrooks> ogra: i'm interested in the changes
[02:04] <ogra> soooo
[02:04] <ogra> that were the negative changes ....
[02:05] <ogra> without JaneW edubuntu would go down the drain, thats a known fact at canonical :)
[02:05] <ogra> so the team was/will be enhanced by two people
[02:05] <ogra> guys ....
[02:05] <cbx33> as he is a drummer :p
[02:06] <ogra> let me introduce you to our new star rodarvus !!
[02:06] <cbx33> hi rodarvus 
[02:06] <rodarvus> hi all :)
[02:06] <Seveas> hi
[02:06] <DanielC> hi rodarvus
[02:06] <LaserJock> hi rodarvus 
[02:06] <bluekuja> hello rodarvus 
[02:06] <ogra> rodarvus, you might introduce yourself and tell us about what you'll be doing ...
[02:06] <rodarvus> sure
[02:07] <rodarvus> briefly talking about my past:
[02:07] <ogra> (i'm not sure about that myself yet ... but mark said you'll be technical lead aside from OLPC)
[02:07] <rodarvus> I've been doing development on linux for the last twelve years
[02:07] <rodarvus> worked at a few places such as Conectiva, Terra Lycos and Nokia Institute of Technology
[02:08] <rodarvus> I've worked doing distro development for quite a few years now (first rpm based, and later, deb based distros)
[02:08] <rodarvus> and in the last few years gained some expertise on the embedded/semi-embedded market too
[02:08] <JaneW> welcome rodarvus and enjoy the ride
[02:09] <rodarvus> as ogra mentioned, I'll work on OLPC, and, in theory :)
[02:09] <bluekuja> welcome man
[02:09] <flint> rodarvus, welcome, where you from?
[02:09] <rodarvus> will be the "Edubuntu Engineering Lead" - I promise to work hard on it :)
[02:09] <ogra> :)
[02:09] <rodarvus> flint: I'm from Brazil
[02:09] <rodarvus> JaneW, bluekuja: thanks :)
[02:10] <JaneW> where the nuts come from
[02:10] <flint> rodarvus, excellent. 
[02:10] <JaneW> *hide*
[02:10] <ogra> heh
[02:10] <ogra> JaneW, nuts like kiko you mean ? 
[02:10] <rodarvus> as a coincidence, Brazil is one of the countries which will very likely adopt OLPC in the very near future
[02:10] <JaneW> indeed
[02:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: you will be missed.
[02:10] <flint> JaneW, and good tek...
[02:10] <rodarvus> ogra: heh :D
[02:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: *bow*
[02:10] <bluekuja> rodarvus: np :)
[02:11] <rodarvus> I'm quite eager to meet you guys at Paris, next week (or in the future, for the ones who won't be able to be there)
[02:11] <rodarvus> specially ogra, of whom I have heard great things about :)
[02:11] <cbx33> wish I was going to Paris with you guys
[02:11] <flint> rodarvus, I would look forward to meeting you in Sao Paulo myself.  How close to the capitol do you live?
[02:12] <highvoltage> rodarvus: you're going to paris, cool!
[02:12] <ogra> cbx33, next time 
[02:12] <cbx33> I hope so
[02:12] <ogra> rodarvus, i'm looking forward to it too ;)
[02:12] <rodarvus> in the next few hours I'll start commiting spec braindumps into Blueprint (mostly for OLPC, but also for Edubuntu and Ubuntu itself)
[02:12] <rodarvus> flint: I live in Curitiba, about 600km from So Paulo
[02:12] <highvoltage> :)
[02:12] <rodarvus> highvoltage: indeed!
[02:13] <flint> rodarvus, nice touch the tilde... 
[02:13] <ogra> rodarvus, make sure to ping mdz and/or Keybuk about it they did the approval run yesterday already, so yours dont get lost
[02:13] <ogra> (for the specs that is)
[02:13] <cbx33> yeh I have 2 sitting in there that are awaiting approval
[02:13] <cbx33> be interesting to see if they get in
[02:13] <rodarvus> overall, the first days at Canonical have been great, already - I sense it will be a *magic* experience to be part of this great team! (in both meanings)
[02:14] <rodarvus> ogra: that will be great!
[02:14] <rodarvus> our OLPC target is not for Edgy, afaik (but I might be wrong)
[02:14] <flint> rodarvus, writing code remains the process of nailing jello to a wall...
[02:14] <flint> :^)
[02:14] <rodarvus> we'll surely have to discuss this a lot, next week :)
[02:15] <ogra> well, edgy would work if you had 10 monkeys coding for you :)
[02:15] <ogra> but given that mark doesnt hire monkeys, i tend to agree :)
[02:15] <rodarvus> right :)
[02:15] <flint> ogra, edgy would work if you had a blue-ray to write it to...
[02:15] <flint> :^)
[02:16] <ogra> flint, we'll fix the CDs 
[02:16] <cbx33> wait what am I saying I already am
[02:16] <ogra> ok, next change ....
[02:16] <flint> LaserJock, I would prefer that you called us primates... :^)
[02:16] <ogra> we'll also get a new top level manager for edubuntu 
[02:16] <cbx33> oooh?
[02:17] <flint> ogra, a TLM eh?
[02:17] <ogra> a so called "education program manager"
[02:17] <ogra> i know there are negotiations going on with someone, but i havent heard the final outcome yet, so i cant say much more
[02:18] <ogra> JaneW, do you know anything we could make public ? 
[02:18] <JaneW> I think there is a signed agreement now
[02:18] <ogra> YAY
[02:18] <highvoltage> cool.
[02:18] <cbx33> w00t
[02:18] <rodarvus> great news :)
[02:18] <JaneW> but that's insider trading :P
[02:18] <ogra> hehe
[02:18] <rodarvus> haha
[02:18] <cbx33> JaneW: you naughty girl
[02:18] <JaneW> start date mid-July
[02:18] <highvoltage> JaneW: heh. are you giving it away there ;)
[02:18] <highvoltage> ?
[02:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:19] <JaneW> I wish it was me
[02:19] <JaneW> but it's not :(
[02:19] <cbx33> awww
[02:19] <DanielC> :(
[02:19] <JaneW> but it is someone I know very well
[02:19] <ogra> highvoltage, that job is up one or two levels in hirarchy (and payment i guess) compared to JaneW'S current job
[02:19] <ogra> edubuntu will be its own little department inside canonical now
[02:19] <flint> JaneW, I will miss you.
[02:20] <highvoltage> interesting.
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: exdcellet
[02:20] <LaserJock> ogra: cool
[02:20] <cbx33> all the more reason to go to BETT2007 !!!
[02:20] <ogra> cbx33, something to discuss with our new manager then :)
[02:20] <highvoltage> ogra: i can't pretend that i understand it all 100%, but my instinct tells me that it will work out good.
[02:20] <flint> cbx33, do not forget NECC in Beautiful San Diego CA...
[02:20] <cbx33> indeed
[02:20] <LaserJock> ogra: so you, rodarvus and the new manager?
[02:20] <cbx33> flint: indeed
[02:20] <ogra> LaserJock, yeps
[02:20] <highvoltage> and EC?
[02:21] <JaneW> so the new program manager, who will look at getting edubuntu installed around the world is RichardW
[02:21] <flint> ogra, TLM == ECM?
[02:21] <highvoltage> EC will still vote new members, etc?
[02:21] <ogra> what about EC ?
[02:21] <ogra> sure
[02:21] <ogra> yeah
[02:21] <LaserJock> ogra: so what's your position? if you don't mind me asking ;-)
[02:21] <ogra> our new manager aalso is babysitter for JaneW's kids ;)
[02:21] <ogra> (sometimes)
[02:21] <highvoltage> also a parent of them :)
[02:21] <LaserJock> lol
[02:22] <bluekuja> highvoltage: :D
[02:22] <ogra> LaserJock, i'll report to rodarvus 
[02:22] <JaneW> and I have full whipping power with them too
[02:22] <ogra> LaserJock, thats all i was told yet 
[02:22] <flint> JaneW, Is your husband RichardW taking over?
[02:22] <highvoltage> ogra: is rodarvus like a mdz for edubuntu?
[02:22] <ogra> flint, hey, you grokked it !
[02:22] <flint> JaneW, not that this is a bad thing...
[02:23] <ogra> highvoltage, rather Richard ...
[02:23] <rodarvus> Richard is, I think
[02:23] <JaneW> flint: yes
[02:23] <flint> ogra, I am slow, but i make up for it by being pretty stoopid.... :^)
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: I am not sure if he will be that *technically* involved, prolly more directional
[02:23] <flint> JaneW, that is pretty romantic (awwwwwwww!).
[02:23] <ogra> just on a sidenote, i'm not happy about not having mdz in the reporting chain 
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra and rodarvus will be the technical gurus still
[02:24] <JaneW> flint: pah! :P
[02:24] <rodarvus> actually, I'm still quite new to emit opinions, but I think mdz is kind of unique
[02:24] <highvoltage> ogra: i was thinking the same thing, but decided not to say anything, since it doesn't affect me personally.
[02:24] <flint> ogra, mdz will be in London.  Trust me he will be in the chain big time.
[02:24] <rodarvus> in terms of management & techincal skills
[02:24] <ogra> rodarvus, we'll be doing a lot stuff inside the ubuntu distro team, we should talk with sabdfl in paris about the structure 
[02:24] <ogra> i think distro team lead involvement is essential (but thats only me)
[02:25] <rodarvus> so I believe it will require involved teamwork to reach the standard of quality mdz has on his work
[02:25] <ogra> yeah
[02:25] <flint> while mdz can be distant, abstract and generally annoying anywere he will be directly applied when he resides in London....
[02:25] <rodarvus> ogra: sure, I agree
[02:25] <flint> and I mean that in the nicest way...
[02:25] <ogra> but we dont develop very much thats unique usually (OLPC might change that)
[02:25] <ogra> usually we change ubuntu distro packages ...
[02:25] <cbx33> ogra: indeed
[02:26] <cbx33> so really big changes then
[02:26] <ogra> adding a feature or two ...
[02:26] <flint> ogra, what the heck is OLPC?
[02:26] <rodarvus> OLPC might change that radically (but this is talk for paris ;) )
[02:26] <ogra> but well, that something to discuss with sabdfl
[02:26] <rodarvus> flint: http://www.laptop.org/
[02:26] <JaneW> I am pretty certain mdz will stay involved
[02:26] <rodarvus> its a acronym for One Laptop per Child
[02:27] <flint> oh yea One Laptop Per Child...
[02:27] <ogra> JaneW, not in the structure overview i got from sabdfl ... 
[02:27] <flint> the MIT thang...
[02:27] <rodarvus> flint: right, it has lots of potential for students, specially in developing countries
[02:28] <flint> I presume that a OLPC terminal will pixie boot just like anything else eh?
[02:28] <ogra> flint, terminal ?
[02:28] <JaneW> hi pips1 
[02:28] <rodarvus> what means "pixie boot"?
[02:28] <flint> rodarvus, the only problem would be the RF link.
[02:28] <ogra> rodarvus, PXE
[02:28] <pips1> hi JaneW
[02:28] <rodarvus> ohh
[02:29] <rodarvus> flint: no. the OLPC hardware has its own flash card (about 500mb large, btw)
[02:29] <ogra> flint, you cant PXE boot wireless devices and i doubt the plan for OLPC is to tie the kids to a LAN wire
[02:29] <pips1> JaneW, I really am a bit sad to see you go.
[02:30] <flint> ogra, I am slow this morning, the Edubuntu thing has always been a server that ties kid computers into a classrooms together
[02:30] <rodarvus> the OLPC hardware quite specialized - plas for battery life are 24h, uses mesh wifi instead of normal wifi, small memory/storage
[02:30] <rodarvus> s/plas/plans/
[02:30] <flint> ogra, now with the big flash, shared storage could be a thing.
[02:30] <ogra> flint, yes, thats one of edubuntus areas
[02:30] <ogra> (ltsp)
[02:30] <flint> rodarvus, I smell a fork.
[02:30] <ogra> but onlya one of many you can cover with edubuntu
[02:30] <rodarvus> OLPC also "includes" one (or more) server(s) on the school
[02:30] <highvoltage> rodarvus: so you like franks sinatra heh? :)
[02:30] <rodarvus> but students can take their notebooks home
[02:31] <rodarvus> highvoltage: indeed - how do you learned that? :)
[02:31] <flint> rodarvus, you have big problems running LTSP on wifi.
[02:31] <ogra> i'm really looking forward in rodarvus work for ltsp, since a shrunk down system will help us a lot there
[02:32] <ogra> i.e. i can use the embedded stuff for the ltsp clients and cut down a lot of ram requirement i guess
[02:32] <rodarvus> exactly
[02:32] <highvoltage> rodarvus: your blog page
[02:32] <rodarvus> highvoltage: oh :)
[02:32] <flint> ogra, if it gets faster I vote for it (if I voted...)
[02:33] <flint> :^)
[02:33] <ogra> highvoltage, we all need to learn brazilian now :)
[02:33] <flint> ogra, Portugese...
[02:33] <ogra> well
[02:33] <ogra> :)
[02:34] <ogra> shall we move on with the agenda ? we're at 30min
[02:34] <flint> ogra np :^)
[02:34] <rodarvus> actually, brazilian portuguese
[02:34] <rodarvus> :)
[02:34] <ogra> :)
[02:35] <flint> rodarvus, never could spell anything.  
[02:35] <bluekuja> ogra: well I added a point in agenda regarding the Testers Team, to discuss about membership guidelines, todo list etc 
[02:35] <bluekuja> with all of you
[02:35] <ogra> from the tech side there is not much i can tell yet, the archive isnt ready for uploads yet, so no packaging work is going on atm ...
[02:35] <bluekuja> to decide a stable guideline for the future
[02:36] <ogra> we have a bunch of approved specs for paris that are listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuEdgyIdeas
[02:36] <flint> ogra, we would like to add gin.  is this the place?
[02:36] <ogra> i'm subscribed to most of them in launchpad so you can find another overview that also shows the status under https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs
[02:37] <ogra> flint, gin ? 
[02:37] <flint> gnome instant nationalization.  helps a lot when setting network xterms up.
[02:37] <ogra> flint, you mean https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-login-and-session-handling
[02:37] <ogra> ?
[02:38] <flint> ogra, na, dclug wrote this quickie.  I started and competent folks finished it in python.
[02:38] <ogra> seems mdz didnt see any urge for that, it hasnt even gotten a priority assigned
[02:38] <flint> i suppose mdz does not spend too much time using edubuntu eh?
[02:39] <flint> it is necessary
[02:39] <ogra> flint, we wont tolerate scripts that change /etc/environment or other files that are forbidden to be touched by debian policy
[02:39] <flint> ogra, how do we do this?
[02:39] <ogra> its not the way to solve your prob, i told you this seberal times already
[02:39] <ogra> gdm or ldm are the right place to attack it
[02:39] <flint> the program is written and it works.
[02:40] <ogra> (depending which one we'll use in the future)
[02:40] <flint> the program is vital to multi lingual systems.  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/gin
[02:40] <ogra> flint, it breaks the systems, /etc/environment *has not to be touched by anything* in a debian based system
[02:41] <ogra> we discussed it before 
[02:41] <flint> ok how do we gain the functionality?
[02:41] <ogra> its not something to solve with a hack
[02:41] <ogra> do it in the right place which is the login manager in this case
[02:42] <flint> ogra, i am a hacker.  this hack is to demonstrate the requirement.
[02:42] <highvoltage> sorry, had an interuption (/me catches up)
[02:42] <flint> ogra, I wish I could program, but likely i am too old :^)
[02:42] <ogra> flint, you apparently *can* program ;) 
[02:42] <ogra> just do it in the right place ;)
[02:43] <flint> ogra, I want to know how to do this.
[02:43] <ogra> ldm has all functionallity to set the language since its become themed ... 
[02:44] <flint> ogra, I will take a look.
[02:44] <ogra> the problem is to determine the list of langs from the server, if thats solved it takes me less than a minute to enable the selection menu
[02:44] <ogra> (in the code)
[02:44] <ogra> aything else for the tech side ? 
[02:45] <ogra> flint, btw, will we see you in paris ? 
[02:45] <flint> ogra, I just bought a house in Barre Vermont. and while I would like nothing better than a ciggi break with the likes of you, I need to renovate this victorian monstrosity my wife bought.
[02:46] <flint> :^)
[02:46] <flint> ogra, I will get the next one, promise.
[02:46] <ogra> heh, good luck :)
[02:46] <ogra> seems to be the time tio change houses ...
[02:46] <flint> ogra, thanks, exactly!!!
[02:47] <flint> ogra, not you too?
[02:47] <ogra> flint, i'm currently moving to this one http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/CIMG0517.JPG
[02:47] <rodarvus> flint: I feel your pain - we moved to our new apartment two months ago
[02:47] <rodarvus> its new, but many, many things had to be done to make it actually a enjoyable place to be
[02:47] <cbx33> :(
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, inherit ;)
[02:48] <cbx33> heh
[02:48] <ogra> (best case from an unknown secret rich uncle)
[02:48] <rodarvus> ogra: its a beautiful place!
[02:48] <cbx33> well, what's left on the agenda?
[02:48] <LaserJock> ogra: nice, much bigger then my place in the middle of the Nevada desert ;-)
[02:48] <cbx33> seeing as we have 10 mins :p
[02:49] <flint> you folks throw a hell of a meeting...
[02:49] <ogra> rodarvus, well, i like my current place more, but thats rented, and for the new one we dont have to pay anything
[02:49] <cbx33> LaserJock: is an alien
[02:49] <ogra> ok, lest move on else we'll be out of time 
[02:49] <ogra> do we have anything for artwork ?
[02:49] <ogra> (me guesses not yet)
[02:50] <cbx33> hmm
[02:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: oops, I was trying to keep it a secret ;-)
[02:50] <ogra> documentation ? 
[02:50] <cbx33> no thought AliasVegas has said she wants piccies of you all to do the edubuntu homie lookalikes :p
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, but thats something we still have 4 months time for :)
[02:51] <ogra> any doc stuff ? 
[02:51] <highvoltage> my lag is bad too :(
[02:51] <LaserJock> is pygi here? the cookbook people had a meeting yesterday
[02:51] <ogra> (i saw you are working with the doc team now)
[02:52] <cbx33> um, I'm hoping to fix up ESA into it's printed state soon
[02:52] <flint> ogra, I should have something for you doc wise by next week.
[02:52] <ogra> flint, cool 
[02:52] <flint> ogra, np.
[02:52] <ogra> flint, i'll really miss you in my cigarette breaks in paris ...
[02:53] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm not sure what cookbook people are doing exactly, but it is getting worked on, I think
[02:53] <ogra> ok, i think we handled management at the beginning and community stuff during general sidetracked chatter :)
[02:54] <ogra> the cookbook developed its own dynamic so i'm confident whats going on is good atm
[02:54] <flint> ogra, me too.  I will get you next time.
[02:54] <ogra> so we have bluekuja left, do you want to chair for your topics ? 
[02:54] <ogra> 7me hands bluekuja the microphone
[02:55] <bluekuja> yeah, oliver
[02:55] <ogra> * Edubuntu Testing Team review: membership,TODO,future (AndreaVeri)
[02:55] <bluekuja> well, I want to talk with all of you about the -testing team, to create some guidelines about membership etc
[02:55] <cbx33> come on bluekuja you have 5 mins
[02:56] <ogra> about the future, i'd like to point the team to sfllaw, who is our QA specialist 
[02:56] <JaneW> pips1: lol
[02:56] <rodarvus> pips1: thanks :)
[02:56] <ogra> you should work together with him on testing plans and the like
[02:56] <highvoltage> ogra: you've mentioned it before, I'll get sfllaw to join our next edubuntu meeting. he'll be in paris, right?
[02:56] <ogra> yep
[02:57] <bluekuja> ogra: ok great, anyway do you think we need to create some guidelines about the team? creating a working TODO list 
[02:57] <bluekuja> and more
[02:57] <ogra> sure, go ahead :)
[02:57] <rodarvus> we can also tip him him in paris, if necessary ;)
[02:57] <ogra> rodarvus, really ? we have a budget for that ??
[02:58] <cbx33> I have to go in a while :( meeting soon
[02:58] <LaserJock> ogra: community donations ;-)
[02:58] <cbx33> in like 3 minutes :(
[02:58] <ogra> haha
[02:58] <cbx33> nice idea LaserJock 
[02:58] <bluekuja> ogra: well, I'll try to create some guidelines alone, so we can discuss them at the next meeting. Some ideas to start?
[02:59] <ogra> as i said, sfllaw will be the best person to start with ... i dont see the need for guidelines to join the team or something ...
[02:59] <LaserJock> bluekuja: I'd talk to the BugSquad (aka sfllaw and #ubuntu-bugs) and check around the wiki
[02:59] <rodarvus> bluekuja: seriously, I believe approaching sfllaw (on irc) is a great start
[02:59] <bluekuja> LaserJock, ogra: perfect 
[02:59] <ogra> whoops, my baker just arrived, i need to quicky get some bread
[03:00] <pips1> lol
[03:00] <cbx33> oooh nice
[03:00] <bluekuja> yeah, i work with sfflaw with packages too, so it wouldn't be a problem for it
[03:00] <cbx33> shute i gotta run peeps, meeting time is over for me
[03:00] <pips1> ogra, that's a proper german. :-D
[03:00] <cbx33> I'll see you back ing #edubuntu
[03:01] <cbx33> pips1: feel free to take my hand
[03:01] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[03:01] <cbx33> :p
[03:01] <flint> ogra, we call it liquid bread :^)
[03:01] <pips1> flint hehe
[03:01] <bluekuja> cbx33: soon we'll have ESA in italian too
[03:01] <pips1> cbx33 ok, cu
[03:01] <flint> bluekuja, what is an ESA?
[03:01] <LaserJock> flint: Edubuntu School Advocacy
[03:01] <bluekuja> edubuntu school advocacy document
[03:02] <flint> bluekuja, got a url?
[03:02] <bluekuja> yeah,http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html
[03:02] <flint> bluekuja, in italiano e piu bene!
[03:02] <bluekuja> :D
[03:02] <rodarvus> pips1: I believe ogra is away for a little while - would you like to go on?
[03:03] <cbx33> ESA is also on www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[03:03] <flint> A marketing document at last!!! bluekuja you done good!!!!!
[03:03] <bluekuja> we have to say thanks to cbx33
[03:03] <cbx33> I ported it to there
[03:03] <bluekuja> that started it
[03:03] <cbx33> and I'll be deleting it from the wiki
[03:03] <bluekuja> and had this great idea
[03:03] <highvoltage> sorry for my quietness the last week. it's been tough, everything seems to happen at the the same time :/
[03:03] <pips1> rodarvus, well, I just want to ask all you guys who are attenting paris to try to push for another edubuntu summit, with educators, rather than developers-only :)
[03:03] <bluekuja> np highvoltage 
[03:04] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan, how bad?  Death bad?
[03:04] <LaserJock> pips1: what? devs don't know everything? ;-)
[03:04] <rodarvus> pips1: sure, I believe we can also push this subject with RichardW, when he arrives next month
[03:04] <pips1> who of you guys is going to paris?
[03:04] <highvoltage> flint: no, not quite that bad :)
[03:05] <flint> pips1, the educators were the meeting in london.
[03:05] <ogra> re
[03:05] <pips1> LaserJock :)
[03:05] <bluekuja> Unfortunately I won't be there
[03:05] <flint> highvoltage, Girlfriend bad (that is pretty bad...)
[03:05] <cbx33> my hand 
[03:05] <highvoltage> flint: slightly worse that that. but the recovery should be quicker.
[03:05] <cbx33> can I grab it back
[03:05] <pips1> flint starting rumors again? ;-)
[03:05] <ogra> pips1, our new manager will surely care for edubuntu summits/sprints
[03:06] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan you need a trip to Sao Paulo!
[03:06] <pips1> ogra right, cool
[03:06] <highvoltage> flint: indeed, but let's talk about that later. we're just making noise now :)
[03:06] <flint> highvoltage, sorry gotcha...
[03:06] <bluekuja> ogra: do you think would be possible to have a it.edubuntu.org pointed to edubuntu page in italian loco team page?
[03:07] <ogra> i'm not sure about the naming scheme, but i guess its possible
[03:07] <flint> bluekuja, you may want to talk to Kevin Cole of the dcloco team who already went through that loop sucessfully.
[03:07] <ogra> highvoltage, has some experience with the webserver and dns things ...
[03:07] <highvoltage> znarl could organise that, alhtough he seems to be quite busy atm.
[03:07] <highvoltage> i've been trying to get hold of him for the past 3 days.
[03:07] <ogra> is it very urgent ? 
[03:07] <bluekuja> nope
[03:07] <bluekuja> :)
[03:08] <bluekuja> it would be a great thing, but I can wait
[03:08] <ogra> oki, highvoltage would you poke him about that or pint bluekuja in teh right direction  ? 
[03:08] <flint> bluekuja, seriously, try kcole
[03:08] <ogra> *point too
[03:08] <bluekuja> flint: ok, I'll try to ping him
[03:08] <highvoltage> bluekuja: i'll talk to znarl about it when i get hold of him. i PM'ed him about an hour ago, when he returns he'll get back to me, he's very efficient that way.
[03:09] <bluekuja> ok perfect, thanks
[03:09] <highvoltage> ogra: yep
[03:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, you missed all the fun :P
[03:09] <flint> bluekuja, kjcole@ubuntu.com
[03:09] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks a lot
[03:09] <highvoltage> my pleasure.
[03:09] <bluekuja> filnt: thanks
[03:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: sorry it was a long day for me (visa and everything else)
[03:09] <bluekuja> *flint
[03:10] <bluekuja> ok that's all
[03:10] <LaserJock> cbx33: you had something to say?
[03:10] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33, should we try to set a time for a edubuntu website irc meet? to nudge things further along?
[03:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, *you* did miss the fnu, not me ... no need to apologize :)
[03:10] <ogra> the fun too
[03:10] <cbx33> pips1: sure
[03:10] <cbx33> LaserJock: just a little
[03:10] <ogra> ok, looks like we're done with the meeting then ...
[03:11] <ogra> anything urgent we missed ?
[03:11] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, can we do it after paris though? i'm flooded with work atm, and my visa problems didn't help much there either, i nearly lost two days worth of work
[03:11] <cbx33> nope
[03:11] <pips1> cbx33 are evenings ok for you? highvoltage seems more available in evenings rather than daytime...
[03:11] <pips1> highvoltage oic :-/
[03:11] <cbx33> pips1: yup
[03:11] <highvoltage> yes, evenings are better for me, generally.
[03:11] <ogra> so i'd say: meeting adjourned, please move over to #edubuntu to make the room free for xubuntu
[03:11] <ogra> thanks all
[03:11] <highvoltage> at the moment my work flows over to evenings too :/
[03:12] <rodarvus> thank you
[03:12] <pips1> thanks
[06:55] <chombee> \quit
[07:50] <scwizard> if the meeting was EST instead of GMT then it'd be in 10 minutes
[07:50] <scwizard> that's why I logged on to IRC >.<
[08:01] <Sionide> :)
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> hi
[11:11] <Sp4rKy> what's the next date for new ubuntu members candidates ?
[11:11] <bluekuja> Sp4rKy, community council agenda can help you
[11:12] <Sp4rKy> bluekuja, i'd just look at it , but i don't see a date for this
[11:12] <bluekuja> when the cc will decide date, that page will be updated
[11:12] <bluekuja> :)
[11:13] <Sp4rKy> k :)
[11:13] <Sp4rKy> so i just need wait :)