[12:06] mdz, btw if you see any need to revisit unionfs for ltsp, feel free to drop me a spec :) [12:08] Keybuk: it still randomly oopses sometimes [12:09] even with our very basic configuration [12:09] and unionfs for ltsp was a DISASTER [12:09] it and NFS hate each other [12:09] yep [12:09] but that might have improved, i havent looked at unionfs' changelog since quite some time [12:12] mdz: so that explains that then ... anyone in ubuntu-core-dev who proposed a spec automatically had it accepted === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:13] Keybuk: that's odd, there were things on +settopics which were proposed by -core-dev [12:14] Keybuk: but anyway that was OK in almost every case since most of -core-dev will be there [12:14] we can't tell who proposed it though, no? [12:14] no [12:14] we can only tell who registered it [12:14] Argh my inbox === ajmitch knows of core-dev proposed specs that weren't auto-accepted === mjg59 goes back to bed [12:32] mdz: so, what do do with these undefined ones? === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:37] Keybuk: I think maybe they should be left alone for now [12:38] Keybuk: or set them all to low [12:38] undefined is better than low, it shows we haven't thought about it yet === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:38] I don't want to futz around with the browser to set them all when it's not clear what we'll want in the end [12:39] there could be things buried in the swamp that are on there for a reason, like someone coming in just to discuss one thing [12:39] and those should be prioritized [12:39] the sab says we have too many already [12:40] Keybuk: it also depends on how many specs each person has so far [12:40] 4 Essential, 33 High, 23 Medium [12:41] yeah, it's annoying we don't have a sprint workload feature [12:41] does assigned mean I'm expected to implement it or just to lead the BoF? [12:41] leaving what...65? [12:41] yup, 65 undefined [12:41] Riddell: it means I wanted to see your name next to it on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs [12:41] unsurprisingly the most assigned are Riddell and ogra [12:42] being derivative maintainers [12:42] after that, it's tollef and mvo [12:42] Keybuk: I have a bunch of KDE people coming who can share the load [12:44] NMSP is a sabdfl-desired discussion [12:44] so bumped that to Essential -- should only be 1 session [12:45] Keybuk: NMSP ? [12:45] sivang: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages [12:46] Keybuk: ah, right. === sivang wonders what fun are we in to with the rpath guys :-) [12:51] WHAT IS RPATH? [12:51] err, tr [A-Z] [a-z] [12:52] Keybuk: seriously asking? :) [12:52] the only rpath I know about is the ld flag to hardcode a path to look for shared libraries in [12:53] Keybuk: http://www.rpath.com/corp/ [12:53] heh there is always a patch for quieten grub [12:53] Keybuk: Keybuk http://wiki.conary.com/ [12:53] sivang: that doesn't seem to fit [12:53] "software applicance company" ? [12:53] sounds like makers of network applicances [12:53] Keybuk: sounded the same for me [12:53] oh, conary [12:54] Keybuk: but I was interested in conary some time ago, in the "recepies" method but then forgot about it until I saw the delegates list :-) [12:55] I've never really worked out what conary is supposed to be *for* [12:55] Keybuk: also, if we have rants per autotools et al, we can direct them at Erik and Michael ;-) === Keybuk has never found the need to rant about the autotools [12:56] Keybuk: reading the NMSP wiki , I think there are colliding efforts to solve some of the similar issues. "the RCS approach to packaging" or so. [12:56] sivang: right, except it's an RCS approach to binary packages [12:56] ie. you checkout 1.0 of the udev binary [12:56] and update to 1.1, etc. === j_ack [n=nico@p508D914D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:18] sivang: ? :P [01:20] can i ask a questino [01:21] i'm reading that spec [01:21] and [01:21] i simply dont get it [01:21] source packages are necessary, no? [01:23] it is a BIG paradigm change for EVERYONE [01:24] it could be argued that the spec is technically flawed [01:31] kbrooks: how is it technically flawed? [01:31] Riddell: well, as i said, it's a big paradigm change... and i think the spec author wants apt-get source (as a example, of course) to be changed [01:32] yes that's right [01:32] but you've not pointed out any flaw [01:33] Riddell: that's the flaw. changing apt-get source is a flaw imo [01:33] it would help your argument if you gave a reason :) [01:33] this is all an evil plan from sabdfl, you can ask him about it and he'll put his pinky in his mouth and laugh manically (really) [01:34] kbrooks: stating "it's flawed" isn't enough :) [01:35] it's a flaw because apt-get source shouldn't be changed. [01:35] but why not? [01:36] because it is a big b/c (backwards compatibility) problem [01:37] if we want apt-get source to be changed, then we should add "--use-bzr" and leave that off. === LinuxBA [n=alexos@201009119193.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MKR [n=mkr@h194.192.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MKR [n=mkr@h194.192.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [02:10] kbrooks: why? [02:10] kbrooks: you've failed to give a reason [02:11] "X is flawed?" [02:11] "why is X flawed?" [02:11] "because X is flawed?" [02:11] "but why?" [02:14] kbrooks: the spec can be summed up as "make a fundamental, BIG paradigm change for everyone" ... that's kinda the point [02:19] Keybuk: OK [02:20] Keybuk: where can i talk about specs in? [02:20] i'd summarize it as "drop all the middleware packaging crap between the developer and the source" [02:21] ogra: wherre can I talk about specs in? ping [02:22] kbrooks, in paris :) [02:22] ogra: i'm talking about a IRC channel [02:23] ogra: france is too far for me :-) [02:23] maybe -offtopic ? unless -devel wants it [02:23] the specs are the base for face to face discussions ... even though we might be available on IRC during the discussion, having a BOF meeting on IRC in parallel while speccing something doesnt work well === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:32] you will be able to listen in to all of the BOFs by installing a piece of VoIP software [02:32] as all BOFs will be broadcast that way [02:32] oh, really ? [02:32] if you have any particular problems with the NoMoreSourcePackages spec though, I'd be happy to discuss them with you (I'm the author of that spec) [02:32] thats cool :) [02:32] hang on, let me flip to laptop === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:33] better [02:33] ogra: that's why elmo asked whether anyone had a !i386 ... the software only works on i386 [02:33] and we all get headsets and get to pretend to be Madonna [02:34] i think NMSP is just a logical consequence if launchpad ... [02:34] hmm, good to know, i'll make sure to have my amd64 lappie with me ... [02:34] kbrooks: so, tell me you problems [02:35] Keybuk: everybody? [02:35] Keybuk: well, OK. as i said, it's a big change [02:35] Keybuk: sweet! [02:35] LaserJock: I'm not sure, I'm not sure I'm supposed to know the secret plan [02:35] kbrooks: it is a big change, yes ... it means learning a completely new way to do packaging work [02:35] Keybuk: won't this change be bad? === LaserJock thinks that only the smart people should get microphones ;-) [02:36] kbrooks: why would it be "bad" ? [02:36] bad would imply that a change has negative consequences [02:36] Keybuk: bad as in counterproductive [02:36] I would have said it would increase productivity [02:36] Keybuk: how does it increase productivity? [02:37] updating to new upstream releases becomes simple ... just merge from the upstream branch; no more tedious mucking around with tarballs and getting the patches right [02:37] merging with Debian becomes just as simple ... just merge from the Debian branch [02:37] no more mom, manual merges, etc. [02:37] Keybuk: "mom"? [02:37] kbrooks: merge-o-matic; the thing we spend the first two months of any release dealing with [02:38] contributing changes to Ubuntu becomes simple [02:38] right now you have to do something like: [02:38] apt-get source foo [02:38] Keybuk: what do you mean, no more merge-o-matic? why would this supersede mom? [02:38] cp foo foo~ (so you can diff later ... most people forget this) [02:38] make changes to foo [02:38] make a diff from foo~ to foo [02:38] now that becomes just [02:38] branch foo; make changes; commit; tell a developer [02:38] yeah, at first I was like "woah" but now I'm like "wow" [02:38] kbrooks: because anyone can just "bzr merge $debian" [02:38] LaserJock: woah as in? [02:39] kbrooks: woah as in, that's a big change [02:39] Keybuk: stop. $debian? [02:39] kbrooks: whatever the branch URL for debian turns out to be [02:39] probably just "debian" [02:39] Keybuk: ummm......... [02:39] Keybuk: what do you mean? [02:40] Debian [02:40] it's a Linux distribution [02:40] Keybuk: where does this URL come from/ [02:40] every 6 months, we catch up with the changes they've made by merging them into Ubuntu [02:40] that's our primary source of development [02:40] right now that is _hard_work_ [02:40] kbrooks: Launchpad [02:40] Keybuk: the *original* debian package? [02:41] it would be the Debian package imported into bzr, in a manner that allows us to merge from it [02:41] Keybuk: OK [02:41] "merge from it"? don't you mean "merge TO it"? [02:41] bzr diff -r tag:093-1..tag:094-1 .../udev [02:41] wouldn't that be great? [02:41] no, from [02:41] cd ubuntu-udev [02:41] bzr merge .../debian-udev [02:42] take the changes made in debian-udev and merge them into the ubuntu-udev branch [02:42] ("merge from debian-udev") [02:42] Keybuk: yes it would be great. [02:42] hell, forget just diff'ing revisions [02:42] Keybuk: "tag:" ? [02:42] kbrooks: I'm making up syntax :p [02:43] OK :p [02:43] bzr branch .../udev [02:43] # make changes you like [02:43] bzr commit [02:43] that's it/ [02:43] 3 lines? [02:43] ... [02:43] bzr push launchpad/~kbrooks/my-udev [02:43] now i'm like "wow" [02:43] yeah [02:43] Keybuk, i'd really whish i could do that with debians ltsp (which is even in bzr) :) [02:43] now you have your own udev package [02:43] Launchpad builds it for you, yadda, yadda [02:43] but oh no, new ubuntu udev package *sigh* [02:43] Keybuk: huh? [02:43] bzr merge .../udev [02:43] easy [02:43] now you're up to date [02:43] Keybuk: stop for a min. [02:44] Keybuk: launchpad builds my new udev package? [02:44] ogra: why can't you? [02:44] kbrooks: sure [02:44] Keybuk: so its semi automatic? [02:44] Keybuk: so far i like the idea === olive_ [n=olive@pigeon.moostik.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:45] hmm, for some reason the Launchpad spec tracker has become password protected [02:45] Keybuk: it's cool - revision control leveraged, that is [02:45] Keybuk: do you think that is doable in Edgy? [02:45] Keybuk, because i dont want all the skolelinux fixes and debian-edu changes we dont need in our package, but the feature i want to maerge wasnt developed ina separate branch and they merged randomly in the middle of feature development [02:45] kbrooks: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PersonalPackageArchives [02:45] can you see that? [02:45] who, me? [02:45] yeah [02:46] LaserJock: I think there's enough time that edgy+1 could be maintained that way [02:46] however it requires a lot of work by the LP guys -- who have a very full plate [02:46] Keybuk: WTF? [02:46] Keybuk: I can see it [02:46] Keybuk: i wonder why I can. [02:46] kbrooks: that's the old public wiki [02:47] I don't know why the new one is private :-/ even I don't have the password to it [02:47] Keybuk, so i have 180 changes where i want a feature that was developed in ~70 commits of these 180 changes ... but scattered in there are merges that diverge the base from ours ... [02:47] Keybuk: yeah, that is what I was sort of thinking, how would you transition that? whould it have to be all or nothing? [02:47] so i end up with tons of conflicts ... [02:47] Keybuk: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PersonalPackageArchives: HCT: define? [02:47] HCT is the predecessor to NoMoreSourcePackages [02:48] the idea was a tool that used revision control to maintain source packages [02:48] I no longer think that's the correct approach [02:48] what does HCT stand for [02:48] (PPA is an old spec, written ~1 year ago) [02:48] Hypothetical Changeset Tool [02:48] ogra: ah, that old problem :p === ajmitch remembers seeing HCT demoed in sydney [02:48] ogra: the solution is to force better practice [02:49] Keybuk, yes, *i* know that, *i* have a separate branch for every ltsp feature [02:49] ogra: I mean force it upon Debian -- teach them why branches is better [02:50] Keybuk: how? [02:50] the solution is to teach people to actually *use* the branching opportunities bzr gives them [02:50] ogra: how? [02:50] kbrooks, develop every single feature in a separate branch of the main app ... [02:51] in the end you just do: cd ltsp && bzr merge ../ltsp-sound [02:51] ogra: "every single feature"? [02:51] branches are cheap [02:51] ogra: show me a quick example? [02:51] so everybody wanting your feature can grab it as well from there [02:51] $ cp -a udev udev.fix-bug-12345 [02:51] $ cd udev.fix-bug-12345 [02:51] $ vi udevd.c [02:51] $ bzr commit [02:51] $ cd ../udev [02:51] ogra: this reminds me of svn branches :-) [02:51] $ bzr merge ../udev.fix-bug-12345 [02:52] (real syntax) [02:52] kbrooks, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ [02:52] ogra: except SVN is centralized [02:52] see the amount of branches [02:52] ogra: 8? [02:53] ogra: btw, BzrMaintainerHowto ... get ltsp pushed into the supermirror so everyone can hack [02:53] Keybuk: so you're not going to work on hct any longer? [02:53] supermirror? [02:53] ummm [02:53] teach me :P [02:53] Keybuk, i havent an edgy branch yet before i decide how i merge the debian modularization of ltsp without breaking ours completely [02:53] kbrooks: bazaar.launchpad.net [02:53] kbrooks: basically it's a giant place anyone can host a bzr branch or mirror [02:54] e.g. http://launchpad.net/products/udev/+branches [02:54] Keybuk: meta mirror? [02:54] there you can see the different known udev branches [02:54] Keybuk: the problem I found with bzr & importing upstream tarballs what to do on new upstream releases when stuff gets moved around [02:54] if you click on "Ubuntu package of udev" [02:54] you can see the different revisions [02:54] afaik the best option is to just copy over the .bzr dir [02:54] you also get a URL ("http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu") that you can give to bzr [02:54] bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu [02:55] will give you a directory containing the ubuntu source package of udev [02:55] (today) [02:55] ajmitch: -> #u-d [02:56] devel? [02:56] Keybuk: i get.... redirected [02:57] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/ doesnt work [02:57] or should it? [02:57] there's nothing "interesting" at the top-level [02:57] follow the chain I gave to see interesting things [02:58] Keybuk: connecting [02:58] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev 404 [02:59] weird heh [02:59] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/ [03:00] Keybuk: i dont see interesting things there [03:00] kbrooks: add a .bzr [03:00] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/.bzr [03:00] it's a bzr branch [03:00] ah [03:00] ty === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LinuxBA [n=alexos@201.19.67.208] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RAE [n=ricekt@69-169-53-189.anhmca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Spec[x] [n=dragonco@charon.devis.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === olive_ [n=olive@pigeon.moostik.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spine55 [n=erniee@c-69-180-53-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ekushey [n=Ekushey@fedora/Ekushey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-007-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-151.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:58] when is the next CC meeting? === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === magical_trevsky [n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:55] !schedule london [08:56] @schedule london [08:56] Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board [08:57] thanks === mvo [n=egon@p54A64E1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:04] Ekushey: nobody knows :) I've been trying to find out for a week. [09:06] jenda: ping me if u find out ;) [09:09] Ekushey: OK === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp504.bih.net.ba] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:19] hi again :) [10:20] heh :) [10:20] hehe :) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-116.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.181] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === magical_trevsky [n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:40] @schedule london [11:40] Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board === EmxBA [n=emx@217.75.202.156] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:44] @london [11:44] @schedule london [11:44] @schedule london [11:44] Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board [11:44] Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board [11:45] @schedule sarajevo [11:45] Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board [11:46] when's the next CC? [11:47] simira: check fridge [11:47] so edubuntu cookbook is tomorrow [11:47] 21:00 === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:49] cbx33: yes... and? There's no meeting scheduled the next month, as I can see [11:50] hmm [11:50] sorry,was just suggesting, I havn't looked either [11:51] @schedule sarajevo [11:51] Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board [11:51] @schedule sarajevo [11:51] Schedule for Europe/Sarajevo: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board [11:52] ok [11:52] 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu [11:52] and "15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook " [11:52] i'll be on cookbook [11:52] today maybe not [11:54] @schedule london [11:54] Schedule for Europe/London: 14 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 14:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 18:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 21:00: Technical Board [11:55] @schedule dhaka [11:55] Schedule for Asia/Dhaka: 14 Jun 18:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 19:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 23:00: Documentation Team | 16 Jun 02:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 21 Jun 02:00: Technical Board [11:56] cool [11:56] @schedule antartica [11:57] EmxBA: Antartica is a continent that covers every timezone on Earth because it contains a pole. [11:57] @schedule south_pole [11:57] :) [11:57] Schedule for Antarctica/South_Pole: 15 Jun 00:00: Edubuntu | 15 Jun 01:30: Xubuntu | 16 Jun 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 05:00: Documentation Team | 16 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 21 Jun 08:00: Technical Board [11:58] danielC: i know that, just kidding [11:58] lol [12:02] @now [12:02] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 14 2006, 10:02:20 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hours [12:02] ok [12:02] meh [12:02] that's incorrect [12:02] it's in 1:58 [12:03] hi seveas [12:03] wow that's quite cool (about antartica) [12:03] lol [12:06] @now [12:06] An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [12:06] wtf? [12:07] @reload Webcal [12:07] @now [12:07] An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [12:07] stupid bot [12:07] lol [12:07] @reload Webcal [12:07] i finally installed ethereal [12:07] @now [12:07] enjoy [12:07] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 14 2006, 10:07:57 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 1 hour 52 minutes [12:07] EmxBA: please don't say 'wtf?' on #ubuntu-meeting, it's considered to be against the CoC :) [12:08] ok [12:08] no bad words === EmxBA ashamed [12:08] :) [12:08] EmxBA: nah, it happens :) [12:08] there, ubugtu now is a bit more correct [12:08] i know === magical_trevsky [n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === GNAM [n=fl4sh@host199-235.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:18] @schedule Rome [12:18] Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 19:00: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 22:00: Technical Board === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp496.bih.net.ba] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:23] :) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:46] everyone, join #edubuntu-bosnia === Ekushey is not from bosnia [12:56] EmxBA, please don't clutter up the logs of #ubuntu-meeting. Preferably this channel is completely silent between meetings [12:57] ok === EmxBA will be quit [12:58] Seveas: EmxBA says he's 14 years old [12:58] Ekushey, even 14 year old people ahould be quiet ;) [12:59] ok [01:00] Seveas: very non-CoC-conformist... [01:01] jenda, ? [01:01] err... never mind, I missed the 'even'... it sounded a lot worse without it. Sorry ;) [01:01] jenda, ? [01:02] hahaha === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp496.bih.net.ba] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 15 Jun 14:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 15 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu Cookbook | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Technical Board === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] meeting [01:59] ogra! ping === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] ogra! start it [02:00] kbrooks: you seem rather excited [02:00] <--------------------------------meeting notes start here---------------------------------------> === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:00] <------------- no, here ---------------> [02:00] heh Seveas [02:00] damn you :p === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-210-170.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:00] <------------- no ... , here ---------------> [02:00] ogra, good morning! [02:00] damn you ogra :P [02:00] hey Flik [02:00] <----- here-----> [02:00] heh === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] flint too [02:01] hi JaneW ! === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] sooo [02:01] JaneW: you're silly. :-) [02:01] hi everyone [02:01] we have some major changes i'd like to talk about in advance [02:01] hi everyone, first time at an Edubuntu meeting. === Yagisan is here, but just lurking === JaneW promises not to be disruptive [02:01] ogra: sounds ominous [02:01] rodarvus, around ? === kbrooks waits [02:01] ogra: I'm here [02:01] yay [02:02] ok, as you all might have seen on the mailing list, JaneW is leaving us today [02:02] JaneW, Bummer... [02:02] :( [02:02] !!! [02:02] why? === JaneW waves === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === cbx33 starts the hugs === Seveas hugs JaneW [02:02] maybe we should all go on strike [02:02] JaneW, what is it, Kids, health or new horizons? [02:03] please giver her a long big hug if you ever meet her in person, the first edubuntu release would never have happened without her === JaneW *hugs* everyone === kbrooks hugs JaneW :( [02:03] JaneW: thanks [02:03] flint: bit of everything, but mostly looking for sane hours [02:03] ogra: doesnt surprise me === rodarvus hugs JaneW === cbx33 hugs Lara ;) [02:03]