[12:06] you know I am going to do the implementation of SCP, right? :) [12:06] but yes, ogra wrote the initial implementation which exists now [12:07] No. I did not know that. I thought ogra was the man [12:07] ogra wrote initial implementation which currently exists [12:08] Well I'm talking to the right guy after all. That's great. [12:08] Nice to meet you Mario [12:08] Same :) [12:09] bluekuja, you alive? :) [12:09] yep ubuntu-it-meeting [12:09] i was trying to add a packaging section [12:09] into the forum [12:09] e [12:10] ah, meeting :P [12:10] oki then :) [12:10] ark__, just a sec, lemme find something :) [12:10] If you have any detailed questions I prefer talking on the phone. I have free calling in North America so I don't mind calling. [12:12] ark__, and I am in Europe :P [12:12] darn [12:12] ark__, We have to find a good way to implement the side of the client in a non intrusive way [12:12] Currently this means some very intrusive changes to x11vnc, which must conform to debian policy, [12:12] and the package must work as it did before the change if not used in ltsp. [12:13] What do you mean "side of the client" [12:13] well, to control and broadcast stuff [12:13] client-side [12:13] right :P [12:13] the student's computer needs a modified x11vnc for the teacher's computer to control it how we want [12:14] in the CAD lab at my highschool the teacher could show up what was on his screen [12:14] he'd lock us out and show us how to do things on his computer [12:15] I'm not sure if I understand this completely. Eric Harrison built the X vnc module so you can vnc into the client. Other than that my fl_TT program controls everything. The users do nothing. [12:16] ark__, right, well we need to modify that module === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] Why do you need to modify it? [12:18] because this way it's intrusive :P [12:19] the only person who can vnc into the client is someone who has the vnc password set in the root of the client env [12:20] read my installation instructions on my page [12:21] One student cannot vnc into another [12:21] because they don't know the password [12:22] I am a high school teacher btw [12:22] yup, saw that :) [12:24] I gotta get going. If you want to further this discussion please email me. Thanks. [12:24] oki, enjoy [12:24] bye [12:39] bluekuja, I still dont have my comment :p [12:40] pygi: meeting finished now [12:40] doing it [12:40] I need to concentrate to write down a great comment [12:40] lol === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu [12:44] bluekuja, right:P === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] pygi: done [12:49] sorry for "the this" [12:49] don't worry ;) [12:49] I'm sleepy and i forgot to review it before commit [12:49] :) [12:49] lool [12:50] ok, I am now sorry for asking for comment :P [12:50] lol [12:50] I've voted 10 [12:50] still sorry for asking for comment :P [12:50] :D [12:50] too late [12:50] :D [12:51] anyway it's not a problem mario [12:51] you know it === bluekuja goes to drink/eat something [12:51] enjoy [12:51] I shall run to sleep probably [12:52] aww [12:52] nah wait me [12:52] bleh, after such a comment? :P [12:52] lol [12:56] bye bye :) === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] pygi: anyway it was a great comment [01:00] :P === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMag1 [n=HedgeMag@c-24-18-107-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMag2 [n=HedgeMag@c-24-18-107-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@15.Red-83-50-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.85.161] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:04] Heya === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-90-204.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:52] good morning === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [04:31] hi jsgotangco [04:32] hi === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-90-204.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === scud [n=scud@68.62.196.210] has joined #edubuntu [04:50] man, i love edubuntu [04:50] i have my 3 year old playing on it [05:02] yay === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === P47|LL0 [n=sopmac@200.121.45.221] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [07:16] Boo [07:16] ping Laser_away [07:16] whoops [07:16] LaserJock, [07:18] cbx33: hi [07:18] howz the new gui look? [07:19] good, I'll have to think about it a bit more [07:19] I've been trying to get a headset working this evening [07:20] apparently we are using VoIP at Paris [07:20] woh [07:20] cool [07:21] so everybody can join in, and hear the BOFs [07:21] how do i get the C header files that match my runningkernel? [07:21] kernel-headers? [07:21] hmm tha'ts what I thought [07:22] E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.15-23-386 [07:22] no [07:22] linux-headers-$(uname -r) [07:23] crimsun_, that's what I did [07:23] no, you did kernel-headers [07:23] oh sorry [07:23] bah, yeah [07:23] crimsun_ saves my butt again [07:24] good night cbx33 [07:24] nn LaserJock [07:24] I'm going to be now [07:24] expect some changes when you awake [07:24] great, looking forward to them [07:24] you're going to be now? [07:24] 'nighto, then. [07:24] I thought you existed already? [07:24] wha? [07:25] never mind :p [07:28] crimsun_, is there a known bug with the gnome cups icon? [07:28] mine is taking 99.5% of the CPU === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [10:07] haha i can only laugh now [10:07] highvoltage: wooo [10:12] jsgotangco: you got your visa? [10:12] highvoltage: well yeah but here's a funnier story [10:13] im supposed to have someone pick up my passport tomorrow [10:13] but the guy at the embassy told me that their network is still not working [10:13] and can't issue electronic visas [10:13] *so* [10:13] they're going to issue handwritten ones [10:20] ah [10:22] at least you [10:22] at least you're getting a visa :) [10:22] which is good. [10:22] i hope to get a call to say that i can pick up my visa in about an hour or so [10:23] good luck, i can just imagine the others with me yesterday are also a bit surprised at the handwritten stuff === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-116.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-116.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-237-174.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-227-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === andi5 [i=foobar@p548B8F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [11:59] hi... i hope it is ok to ask this question here: does ubuntu feature gnumexp or not? i have found some entries in launchpad, but do not know what they are about... thanks in advance! === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [12:13] Hello. I just replaced an ethernet card, so the old eth0 and eth1 config is wrong. How do I find out which card is now eth1 and which is eth0 ? === EmxBA [n=emx@217.75.202.153] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] hi! [12:21] DanielC: do you know mac addresses? [12:21] you could always plug them both in, ping their ip addresses [12:21] unplug one [12:21] then do an ifconfig [12:21] and see which is responding? [12:21] cbx33: Not really. I only half know what a mac address is. [12:21] cbx33: Well, the problem is that I can't get networking up on this computer. [12:22] ok [12:22] is dhcp running on the network? [12:22] DanielC: ubuntu has a hardware manager, there you can find the corresponding network device, do not know about edubuntu [12:22] andi5: yes edubuntu has that too [12:22] cbx33: yes [12:22] ok, what happens when you do [12:23] andi5: I took a look at it, but couldn't figure out which one was eth1 and which was eth0. [12:23] are they both plugged into the network [12:23] but you see them? look at the second tab [12:23] andi5: I saw one of them. When I didn't figure out if it was eth0 or 1 I didn't try to find the other. [12:24] Ok, let's try on my desktop. [12:24] Hardware manager. Under Devices I found my network card. [12:24] select it, and click on the Advanced tab. [12:24] Now? [12:24] now, for me there is the device and as a child of it "networking interface" [12:25] now = no [12:25] ok: net.interface strlist eth0 [12:25] So I guess that's my answer. [12:25] yep [12:25] I'll try now on the server. Thanks! === DanielC goes to the server [12:26] cbx33: any idea on my question above? [12:27] Hmm... I have eth2 and eth1 but no eth0. Is that bad? [12:27] does anyone know how can i setup my orinoco wifi PCMCIA card [12:27] DanielC: not necessarily [12:27] ok [12:28] DanielC: it can be damn bad if this circumvents your firewall [12:28] DanielC: could you help me with orinoco [12:28] andi5: Ubuntu has no firewall anyways. [12:28] huh? [12:29] DanielC: run $ iptables -L and tell me what you see ;-) [12:29] EmxBA: Orinoco is a large rive branching from the amazon in Brazil and flowing through Venezuela into a delta into the Caribean, near Trinidad and Tobago. If that's not the one you're talking about, I can't help you :) [12:29] :) DanielC [12:30] i meant orinoco wireless chipsets [12:30] andi5: No firewall rules. [12:30] ;) [12:30] hm.... then i must have configured it by just running firestarter once.... maybe i am wrong then :) [12:31] andi5: Ubuntu defaults to not having any firewall, but also not having any services listening to any ports. [12:31] Works well. [12:31] DanielC: can you help me or not? === EmxBA needs help... [12:31] EmxBA: As I said, the only Orinoco I know is the river. No, I know nothing about the chipset. [12:32] :) [12:32] ok [12:32] np === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [12:32] i'll try on #orinoco maybe [12:32] :) [12:32] EmxBA: i am quite sure there are loads of documents about linux+orinoco in the internet, as well as ubuntu+orinoco, have you tried to search a bit? [12:32] i had an orinoco card before and it just worked. [12:32] does iwconfig show the card? [12:32] yes [12:33] but iwlist eth1 scan doesn't show anything [12:33] but kismet does :) [12:33] really [12:33] and if you do a iwconfig eth1 essid NETWORKNAME key YOURKEY [12:33] does it connect? [12:33] and if the network doesn't require key [12:34] doesn't use WEP [12:34] than what? [12:34] then you can just leave out the key part [12:34] you should be able to set it up with the graphical network manager without any problems too. [12:34] i tried that, for example iwconfig eth1 essid "HOTEL SARAJ WIRELESS" [12:34] :) [12:34] and nothing [12:34] i got connected [12:34] but i had no route [12:35] nothing setup [12:35] in graphical network manager i cannot connect [12:35] do you have dhcp on your network? [12:35] i need to know right IP and gateway [12:35] perhaps try a dhclient eth1 ? [12:35] highvoltage, i think you haven't found out that I am searching for help for hacking into open wireless network :) [12:36] i do not know if there is any dhcp [12:36] heh [12:36] just found out (in kismet) that it doesn't use WEp [12:36] :) [12:36] great! [12:36] if you want to see few of my screenshots, go to http://217.75.202.153/ [12:37] that's my apache server running (currently) on my laptop on which I am currently writing this, connected trough DIALUP :) === andi5 [i=foobar@p548B8F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #edubuntu [] [12:38] seen it? [12:38] this LOLair06 has WEP indeed [12:40] no, haven't seen it yet [12:40] just go to 217.75.202.153/ [12:41] ok [12:41] seems like i'm killing your connection. it's a bit slow :) [12:41] i know :) [12:43] yes, you are kiilling it really [12:43] upload:5kb [12:43] :) [12:43] heh [12:44] :) [12:44] after you see it, can you help me with gcc? [12:44] i installed it "sudo apt-get install gcc" [12:45] but when i want to compile any app, i get error:C compiler cannot create executables [12:48] i don't know what causes that. the little coding i do happens in python. i have yet to learn the wonders of C. [12:48] do you have Gcc installed? [12:48] yes [12:49] and? [12:49] can you compile anything [12:49] maybe cflags are bad? [12:50] i compiled a modem driver a while ago, so i suppose mine works. [12:51] ok [12:56] yay! my visa is approved! (just in time) shew! [12:57] :) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-224-182.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] This is bad. My thin client doesn't work again. When I try to login the screen goes black (normal) for a few moments but then, instead of starting Gnome, it logs back out. [12:59] Any ideas? Help? [01:00] hi pygi === EmxBA [n=emx@217.75.202.153] has left #edubuntu [] === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [01:16] highvoltage, congrats ! [01:17] ogra, what he did, what he did? :) [01:17] yay! my visa is approved! (just in time) shew! [01:17] :) [01:17] oops [01:17] ogra, niiiice :) [01:18] (only the first line indeed) [01:18] congrats highvoltage ;) [01:18] thanks ogra and pygi :) [01:19] hmm? whats wrong with opening an .exe file on a linux system ? with a correctly configured wine that works flawless [01:19] I do hope I'll be able to attend next conference :-/ [01:19] ogra, or if it's a .Net .exe file :) [01:20] pygi, you can ask for sponsoring ;) [01:20] ogra, indeed, if I remember to do so :P [01:20] not that I would get approved or anything, but :) [01:21] well, nautilus gets a mime handler for [01:21] .exe [01:21] if you install wine ... [01:21] so you should just be able to dubleclick a setup.exe [01:21] indeed you cant install XP this way, but well ;) [01:21] right, but I wouldnt like wine handle .Net exe files, if that can be handled much better then Mono :P [01:22] bleh, true :) [01:22] I had kinda good discussion with the author of TeacherTool (or something like that :P) [01:23] i saw it [01:23] you didnt tell him that we dont use X at all [01:23] ah, good :) [01:23] yup, I am aware of that :P [01:23] We will continue discussion by mail anyway [01:23] an X extension for ltsp 4.2 cant work for us [01:23] ogra: there's nothing more wrong with it than running a java application, imho! [01:24] he's nagging since breezy already, i had a look at the code and didnt find much stuff we could reuse [01:24] hm,ok, so no need for me to look again? [01:24] our problem is ssh integration [01:25] right [01:26] I can't login from the thin clients. After I type in the user name and password it logs me out again. It's just as if I had typed the wrong user name and password (except that I didn't). [01:26] additionally the ui makes me scream ... i wouldt give that to any teacher ... [01:27] ogra, that I agree :) [01:27] How can I modify what the client computer does when you type the wrong password? That would help me diagnose the problem. [01:27] hiya all [01:27] DanielC, did you change the NIc or the IP rnage or something like that for the client network on the server ? [01:27] *range [01:27] ogra: I added a new network card. I think I configured things correctly. [01:27] I think you did din't you DanielC [01:27] you need to update the ssh keys [01:28] ah [01:28] What was that command again? [01:28] ltsp-update-sshkeys? [01:28] ltsp-update-keys [01:28] I was close :) === pygi runs away now [01:28] i think yo are right === DanielC updates the keys [01:28] DanielC, you were *right* (not close) ;) === cbx33 is about to post up a screenshot of the brand new gisomount UI [01:29] ogra: I should have known that seeing as I wrote the man pages [01:29] well, i often got it wrong as well in the beginning ;) [01:29] ogra :) I'm rebooting the client now, let's see what happens... [01:30] ogra: Doesn't work :( [01:30] is the ssh server running ? [01:30] The most significant change recently is that I replaced a NIC. [01:31] and did it update the keys for the right IP ? [01:31] (the output should tell you) [01:31] :) [01:32] The output lists both IP addresses. [01:32] ok [01:32] I ran /etc/init.d/ssh restart. No change. [01:32] and the sshd is running [01:32] ok [01:32] can the user log in directly on the server without probs ? [01:32] I can't find anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log [01:33] Yes. If I'm sitting right at the server I can log in. [01:33] ok [01:33] create a rootpw on the client with: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd [01:34] What's a rootpw? [01:34] then make a login attempt on the client, switch to console there and log in as root [01:34] a root password [01:34] ok === DanielC goes to the server [01:37] Ok, I'm root on the client text console. [01:37] did you first make a login attempt through the gui ? [01:38] yes [01:38] (with the user you used before) [01:38] ok [01:38] so have a look at /var/log/ldm.log === DanielC is looking, trying to make sense of the log [01:39] I'm sure that "Exit stauts -1" is bad. [01:39] yes [01:40] can you scp it to the server and then put it online anywhere so i can have a look ? [01:40] Will do. [01:41] sigh, 120 mails in -users ... [01:42] got it. Where's the pastebin again? === DanielC finds pastebin.com [01:43] pastebin.ca for example [01:44] http://pastebin.com/710515 [01:45] # [01:45] # [01:45] Connection to 192.168.17.1 closed by remote host. [01:45] :( [01:45] your problem lies on the server [01:46] have a look at the users .xsession-errors file (in the users homedir) [01:46] ok [01:46] oh, and make sure to not have sabayon installed unless you added a profile for every user [01:46] sabayonn breaks ssh connections if no profiles are set up [01:47] damm! [01:47] sabayon it is [01:47] heh [01:48] Ok, so what's the solution? To setup a profile for every user? [01:48] we'll fix that by adding some basic profiles for edgy [01:48] yes [01:48] Ok, I'll go and do that now. Thanks. [01:51] ogra: IT WORKS!! Thanks! [01:51] :) [01:53] ogra: www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress [01:53] :D [01:53] see the glorious new UI :D === jinty [n=jinty@15.Red-83-50-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [02:51] ogra: Still around? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:53] hey jsgotangco [02:55] hi! === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@200.146.64.208.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:58] anyway i have this funny story with the embassy === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@200.146.64.208.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [02:59] yesterday they told me they couldn't issue the electronic visa because their system was down or not connecting to somewhere god only knows [02:59] but promised it would be done by friday [03:00] so i went to work today and planned to have someone pick up my passport tomorrow [03:00] but i called up the embassy just to make sure if its allowed [03:01] they told me they still can't issue an electronic visa but said its ok even im supposed to leave on saturday morning here [03:01] because they're going to issue me and the rest... [03:01] HANDWRITTEN ONES [03:01] haha [03:01] bureocracy fun [03:01] slashdevnull, yes [03:01] in my mind i said, so much for french technology [03:02] heh me and 50 others yesterday were screaming for blood [03:02] ogra, I'm still having the same problem as yesterday with ltsp on 6.06. However, I removed "quiet" and "splash" at boot time, and am seeing what looks to be the culprit [03:02] Not video drivers. It's not getting that far. === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089E44F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:05] The final line, before everything grinds to a halt, is "nfs: server 192.168.4.2 not responding, still trying" [03:06] and 192.168.4.2 is surely your nfs server ? [03:06] ogra: was the fun stuff you said yesterday concerned teamspeak? [03:06] did it already get annonced ? [03:06] i received an email from elmo about it [03:07] me and ajmitch were using it earlier [03:07] ah, cool [03:07] my amd64 lappie has no mic, so i cant really test before i have a headset [03:08] but at least we have it working on amd64 [03:08] im bringing a headset heh [03:08] ogra: Yes, and other machines (already running a full environment) can access that share [03:08] slashdevnull, and you dont run a second dhcp server in that network or something ? [03:09] cbx33, the screenshot looks sexy ... [03:09] I do not. That server does dhcp for that segment, thin and thick clients [03:11] and you didnt fiddle with /etc/hosts.allow or with any firewall rules or other crap that would break it ? [03:12] I didn't, but I can check those. [03:12] well, if you didnt change the defaults that should be fine [03:13] They look good. hosts.* are empty except for comments. [03:13] ok [03:14] can you post your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin ? [03:14] The last thing on-screen before stopping at that final error is scripts/init-* stuff [03:14] I do not have an /etc/ltsp. Is that a part of -standalone? [03:15] err, yes [03:15] so where does your dhcp server run then ? [03:16] The server is running the "dhcp" package, which is 2.0pl5-19.4 according to dpkg [03:17] so you run it *on* the ltsp server anyway ? [03:17] It also has dhcp3-client and dhcp3-common installed. [03:17] yes [03:17]