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kwwiinight all12:05
kwwiisleep well12:05
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bddebianHello02:04
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jeroenvrphttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/4977902:41
UbugtuMalone bug 49779 in Ubuntu "Keyboard locks up" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  02:41
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DaSkreechgoogle Earth is Qt?03:00
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linuxmonkeyDaSkreech: yes it is03:35
DaSkreechScwheet03:36
linuxmonkeya programmer told me its been qt since it started, even the winblows version is qt03:36
DaSkreech:-)03:40
DaSkreechCmon KDE4!03:40
bddebianheh03:43
DaSkreechLater03:44
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Hobbseehey all05:15
freeflying|awayhi Hobbsee 05:16
Hobbseehey freeflying|away :)05:16
nixternalHobbsee: well hell there ;)05:45
nixternalgahah05:45
nixternalhello i mean05:45
Hobbseehehe hi nixternal 05:45
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Hobbseeanyone else feel like joining us?08:32
freeflying|awayHobbsee: ?08:33
Hobbseefreeflying|away: teamspeak - testing for the conference - see -motu08:33
nixternalHobbsee: HELLO!!!08:38
Hobbseehey nixternal!08:39
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nixternalHobbsee: http://www.tehbisnatch.org/2006/06/14/api-simplicity-and-design/08:45
nixternalsince you were working on kopete ^^08:45
Hobbseenixternal: great :)08:46
nixternalim a blog whore08:47
nixternalthx to akregator08:47
Hobbseehehe08:47
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nixternal`zzzg'nite all09:24
Hobbseenight nixternal`zzz 09:25
fabonobody wants to advocate kvpnc ?09:59
Hobbseefabo: most people arent awake yet09:59
faboi'll ping later so :)10:00
Hobbseefabo: you'd be after Riddell or raphink10:01
Riddell-awamoi?10:02
Hobbseemorning Riddell-awa 10:02
Riddell-awaand what a grey London style morning it is10:03
HobbseeRiddell-awa: well, we're testing out teamspeak, if you were wanting to come and join us...10:03
Hobbseeand take your mind off they grey London morning10:03
Riddell-awastill at least I got awoken by a nice Scandinavian person brining me breakfast in my cabin bed10:03
Hobbseehehe nice10:03
mornfall...10:05
Hobbseehey mornfall 10:05
mornfallhi10:05
mornfallOpeth -- Godhead's Lament10:06
faboRiddell-awa: oui toi :)10:06
fabomais il faut 2 sponsor ;)10:07
mornfallbrb, strawberries10:08
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Riddell-awaanyone tried the KDE 3.5.3 archive today?10:20
HobbseeRiddell-awa: er...which one10:20
Riddell-awathe one on kubuntu.org10:20
HobbseeRiddell-awa: i got some upgrades from it earlier, yeah10:21
Riddell-awaHobbsee: so nothing broke?10:21
HobbseeRiddell-awa: dont know, havent restarted X yet10:21
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seaLne@time spain12:04
seaLne@time madrid12:05
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Madrid: June 15 2006, 12:05:4912:05
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kane_hi ... anyone here who can tell me how ${shlibs:Depends} works ?01:19
Hobbseekane_: heya - it seems to mean that if you have package-dev as a build-dep, package will be automatically installed as a dep.01:20
\shinsanekane: man dh_makeshlibs01:20
Hobbseethat works too01:20
Hobbseehey \sh 01:20
\shinsanekane: man dh_shlibdeps01:20
\shhis program is merely a wrapper around dpkg-shlibdeps(1) that calls it once for each01:21
\sh       package listed in the control file, passing it a list of ELF executables and shared01:21
\sh       libraries it has found.01:21
insanekaneok thanks ...01:21
insanekane\sh: if you don't mind and also, if you are free ... could you explain how I would add a new binary package to an already multi-binary source package ?01:21
insanekanedo i just add something to the control file, and then add a <packagename>.install ?01:22
insanekaneand in the .install, i mention which files i want to be in the package ?01:22
insanekane\sh: basically, i want to split a package into 2 so that i don't have to pull in libgtk, libatk, pango, etc ...01:23
insanekanecool, i was right ... that was all that was needed01:32
mornfallkdesu is my nightmare01:34
mornfallnow i have a bug that when adept is ran through kdesu, the links in about dialog don't work01:34
mornfallbwaha01:34
mornfallnext version of adept should run as user and only run dpkg as root01:34
\shmornfall: that would be a great improvement for adept :)01:35
mornfallwell, the idea is that this will eventually happen01:36
mornfallbut kdesu makes me think that it's a 2.3 or so material01:36
Hobbseemornfall: i'm assuming not, but is it possible to force adept not to give a kdesu prompt to login, for a user?01:38
mornfallHobbsee: run it as /usr/bin/adept01:38
Hobbseewithout logging into the GUI as root that is, which is effectively what they're asking for01:39
mornfallHobbsee: (that should avoid .desktop file)01:39
Hobbseemornfall: yeah, but does that give it root privs?01:39
mornfallno01:39
Hobbseethat's what i thought01:39
mornfallit will work as a browser only01:39
mornfallobviously01:39
Hobbseesilly user - he cant have it both ways01:39
mornfallif it could work as root without password01:39
mornfallwell01:39
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mornfallit would be a slight security problem ;)01:39
Hobbseeyeah, exactly01:39
Hobbsee:P01:39
Hobbseejust a slight one, yes.01:39
mornfallbasically, it would have to be setuid, in which case kdelibs will just refuse to work01:40
mornfallso no go01:40
Hobbseethat's what i thought, yeah.01:40
Hobbseethought the user was wanting to have his cake and eat it to01:40
mornfallthe idea is that in some version, it will only prompt for a password for the actual download+install phase01:41
Hobbseenice01:41
mornfallprobably using the same xembed trick as kcontrol... or maybe having the root-running part completely non-gui01:42
insanekanehas edgy development begun ?01:49
Hobbseeinsanekane: sorta01:50
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apokryphosmornfall: great interview, I really enjoyed reading it 8)01:54
mornfall:)01:54
insanekaneHobbsee: is there a channel to ask about packaging questions ?01:55
Hobbseeinsanekane: #ubuntu-motu01:56
insanekaneHobbsee: thanks01:56
Hobbseeinsanekane: if it's kde specific, then here01:56
insanekanenot really01:56
mornfallThe Gathering -- Saturnine01:58
mornfallThe Gathering -- Analog Park02:00
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jjessedid Riddell leave already for paris?03:07
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apacheloggerjjesse: considering he is away for about 15 hours, probably03:10
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bddebianHello03:49
mornfalljjesse: he mentioned something like that03:50
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Tonio_hey all07:31
jjessehiya Tonio_07:31
jjessenot many around today :)07:31
Tonio_https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuXGL07:32
Tonio_jjesse: am I wrong or is everyone confused with xgl and compiz07:32
Tonio_I don't see the point between xgl and kde....07:33
DaSkreechHmm?07:33
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DaSkreechWhat do you want to know?07:34
Tonio_I see verywhere that xgl is uncompatible with kde....07:35
Tonio_I don't see the point07:35
jjesseTonio_: to be honest i've never tried either07:35
Tonio_DaSkreech: don't they generally speak of compiz ?07:35
jjessecurrently right now i don't have the opportunity to run kubuntu as my primary box, i just run it in a virtual machine07:35
jjesseso i don't know if i can even run either in VMWare07:35
Tonio_jjesse: ah ok07:35
jjesseits one of those things i'd like to.... but07:35
DaSkreechTonio_: Yes compixz is currently the important thing07:36
DaSkreechWhich is a hack/rewrite/based off Metacity07:36
Tonio_DaSkreech: the problem is that even kubuntu specs on that point reffer to xgl, so that I'm quite confused on that point07:36
DaSkreechSo there is some issue with it and KDE07:36
Tonio_DaSkreech: between compiz and kde, I know that the kde-window decorator component simply doesn't work07:37
DaSkreechYeah The compositing server is irrelevant07:37
Tonio_but technically kde and xgl have no link between them, so that I don't understand the point07:37
DaSkreechFor most times you see people gushing about XGl they mean compiz07:38
Tonio_DaSkreech: yes but on a spec.........07:41
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DaSkreechTonio_: Link?07:46
Tonio_da07:47
Tonio_DaSkreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuXGL07:47
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DaSkreechThat's kind of misleading08:28
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jpatrickkmon: hey08:43
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neoncodeHas the kubuntu usplash just been updated? Adept updater just downloaded an updated version of that package.09:33
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marseillai_jpatrick: i've saw that you've made a package of kitten (now rename strigi) do you have also package the kde3gui or only the search tool ? and i think developer would be happy to have or see this packages.10:05
jpatrickI'm packaging Kitten, Dolphin, *10:06
jpatrickCLenuce10:07
marseillai_clucene ;)10:07
jpatrickoh ok10:07
jpatrickmarseillai_: got my last exam, tomorrow, tell me what you want packaged then10:07
marseillai_jpatrick: i think that vandenoever on #kat would be happy to talk with you about this. he his developer of kitten(strigi) and work really hard10:08
marseillai_oki let you work ....10:08
jpatrickok I'm in10:08
jpatrickintroduce me, introduce me :)10:08
jpatrickmarseillai_: ^10:09
jpatrickToo late10:10
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jpatrickbed time10:34
nixternal`afkhow bad is this update going to be? is it going to destroy my ati drivers and setup now? if i reboot will i still have rendering enabled...im scared here ;)10:53
nixternal`afkhere goes a reboot..if im not back in 3 minutes you know it was bad ;)10:54
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nixternalwhew..everything worked...will there be a kernel upgrade from -23-k7 to -25-k710:59
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DaSkreechWhat happened ?11:27
DaSkreechWas there a KDE update?11:27
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nixternalDaSkreech: yes...a bunch of updates from what i seen...xorg and kernel was the big ones11:32
DaSkreechMan :-( I Hate updating my kernel11:33
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DaSkreechnixternal: So what are the changes?11:33
nixternali seen libgnomeprint, xserver-xorg-fglrx, xserver-xorg-glx, linux-2.6.15-25.usplash, and a few others that i can't remember11:35
DaSkreechReally?11:37
DaSkreechU have nearly every single KDE app upgraded11:37
DaSkreechI Have ..11:38
tomaok, ive had it11:47
tomaim going to patch konqueror to always show the favorite menu bar11:48
Tonio_DaSkreech: that happens with everypatch to kdebase, since it generates lots of deb files11:49
Tonio_so I assume that's just a little patch or kdebase11:50
DaSkreechKate?11:50
LureDaSkreech: kde 3.5.3 got update only (I think)11:50
LureDaSkreech: or it may be kdm security patch11:51
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DaSkreechdecides against updating the kernel11:52
DaSkreechWait11:52
DaSkreech..11:52
DaSkreechnaw I'll update :-)11:52
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insanekaneis there some way to affect the startup environment of all my users without touching /etc/environment ?12:03
insanekane(and also override the settings in /etc/environment)12:04

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