[12:05] <kwwii> night all
[12:05] <kwwii> sleep well
[02:04] <bddebian> Hello
[02:41] <jeroenvrp> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/49779
[02:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49779 in Ubuntu "Keyboard locks up" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:00] <DaSkreech> google Earth is Qt?
[03:35] <linuxmonkey> DaSkreech: yes it is
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Scwheet
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> a programmer told me its been qt since it started, even the winblows version is qt
[03:40] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Cmon KDE4!
[03:43] <bddebian> heh
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Later
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hey all
[05:16] <freeflying|away> hi Hobbsee 
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying|away :)
[05:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: well hell there ;)
[05:45] <nixternal> gahah
[05:45] <nixternal> hello i mean
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hehe hi nixternal 
[08:32] <Hobbsee> anyone else feel like joining us?
[08:33] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: ?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: teamspeak - testing for the conference - see -motu
[08:38] <nixternal> Hobbsee: HELLO!!!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[08:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: http://www.tehbisnatch.org/2006/06/14/api-simplicity-and-design/
[08:45] <nixternal> since you were working on kopete ^^
[08:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: great :)
[08:47] <nixternal> im a blog whore
[08:47] <nixternal> thx to akregator
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:24] <nixternal`zzz> g'nite all
[09:25] <Hobbsee> night nixternal`zzz 
[09:59] <fabo> nobody wants to advocate kvpnc ?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> fabo: most people arent awake yet
[10:00] <fabo> i'll ping later so :)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> fabo: you'd be after Riddell or raphink
[10:02] <Riddell-awa> moi?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell-awa 
[10:03] <Riddell-awa> and what a grey London style morning it is
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: well, we're testing out teamspeak, if you were wanting to come and join us...
[10:03] <Hobbsee> and take your mind off they grey London morning
[10:03] <Riddell-awa> still at least I got awoken by a nice Scandinavian person brining me breakfast in my cabin bed
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[10:05] <mornfall> ...
[10:05] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[10:05] <mornfall> hi
[10:06] <mornfall> Opeth -- Godhead's Lament
[10:06] <fabo> Riddell-awa: oui toi :)
[10:07] <fabo> mais il faut 2 sponsor ;)
[10:08] <mornfall> brb, strawberries
[10:20] <Riddell-awa> anyone tried the KDE 3.5.3 archive today?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: er...which one
[10:20] <Riddell-awa> the one on kubuntu.org
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: i got some upgrades from it earlier, yeah
[10:21] <Riddell-awa> Hobbsee: so nothing broke?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: dont know, havent restarted X yet
[12:04] <seaLne> @time spain
[12:05] <seaLne> @time madrid
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Madrid: June 15 2006, 12:05:49
[01:19] <kane_> hi ... anyone here who can tell me how ${shlibs:Depends} works ?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> kane_: heya - it seems to mean that if you have package-dev as a build-dep, package will be automatically installed as a dep.
[01:20] <\sh> insanekane: man dh_makeshlibs
[01:20] <Hobbsee> that works too
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hey \sh 
[01:20] <\sh> insanekane: man dh_shlibdeps
[01:21] <\sh> his program is merely a wrapper around dpkg-shlibdeps(1) that calls it once for each
[01:21] <\sh>        package listed in the control file, passing it a list of ELF executables and shared
[01:21] <\sh>        libraries it has found.
[01:21] <insanekane> ok thanks ...
[01:21] <insanekane> \sh: if you don't mind and also, if you are free ... could you explain how I would add a new binary package to an already multi-binary source package ?
[01:22] <insanekane> do i just add something to the control file, and then add a <packagename>.install ?
[01:22] <insanekane> and in the .install, i mention which files i want to be in the package ?
[01:23] <insanekane> \sh: basically, i want to split a package into 2 so that i don't have to pull in libgtk, libatk, pango, etc ...
[01:32] <insanekane> cool, i was right ... that was all that was needed
[01:34] <mornfall> kdesu is my nightmare
[01:34] <mornfall> now i have a bug that when adept is ran through kdesu, the links in about dialog don't work
[01:34] <mornfall> bwaha
[01:34] <mornfall> next version of adept should run as user and only run dpkg as root
[01:35] <\sh> mornfall: that would be a great improvement for adept :)
[01:36] <mornfall> well, the idea is that this will eventually happen
[01:36] <mornfall> but kdesu makes me think that it's a 2.3 or so material
[01:38] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i'm assuming not, but is it possible to force adept not to give a kdesu prompt to login, for a user?
[01:38] <mornfall> Hobbsee: run it as /usr/bin/adept
[01:39] <Hobbsee> without logging into the GUI as root that is, which is effectively what they're asking for
[01:39] <mornfall> Hobbsee: (that should avoid .desktop file)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yeah, but does that give it root privs?
[01:39] <mornfall> no
[01:39] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[01:39] <mornfall> it will work as a browser only
[01:39] <mornfall> obviously
[01:39] <Hobbsee> silly user - he cant have it both ways
[01:39] <mornfall> if it could work as root without password
[01:39] <mornfall> well
[01:39] <mornfall> it would be a slight security problem ;)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[01:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:39] <Hobbsee> just a slight one, yes.
[01:40] <mornfall> basically, it would have to be setuid, in which case kdelibs will just refuse to work
[01:40] <mornfall> so no go
[01:40] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought, yeah.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> thought the user was wanting to have his cake and eat it to
[01:41] <mornfall> the idea is that in some version, it will only prompt for a password for the actual download+install phase
[01:41] <Hobbsee> nice
[01:42] <mornfall> probably using the same xembed trick as kcontrol... or maybe having the root-running part completely non-gui
[01:49] <insanekane> has edgy development begun ?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> insanekane: sorta
[01:54] <apokryphos> mornfall: great interview, I really enjoyed reading it 8)
[01:54] <mornfall> :)
[01:55] <insanekane> Hobbsee: is there a channel to ask about packaging questions ?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> insanekane: #ubuntu-motu
[01:56] <insanekane> Hobbsee: thanks
[01:56] <Hobbsee> insanekane: if it's kde specific, then here
[01:56] <insanekane> not really
[01:58] <mornfall> The Gathering -- Saturnine
[02:00] <mornfall> The Gathering -- Analog Park
[03:07] <jjesse> did Riddell leave already for paris?
[03:10] <apachelogger> jjesse: considering he is away for about 15 hours, probably
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello
[03:50] <mornfall> jjesse: he mentioned something like that
[07:31] <Tonio_> hey all
[07:31] <jjesse> hiya Tonio_
[07:31] <jjesse> not many around today :)
[07:32] <Tonio_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuXGL
[07:32] <Tonio_> jjesse: am I wrong or is everyone confused with xgl and compiz
[07:33] <Tonio_> I don't see the point between xgl and kde....
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> What do you want to know?
[07:35] <Tonio_> I see verywhere that xgl is uncompatible with kde....
[07:35] <Tonio_> I don't see the point
[07:35] <jjesse> Tonio_: to be honest i've never tried either
[07:35] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: don't they generally speak of compiz ?
[07:35] <jjesse> currently right now i don't have the opportunity to run kubuntu as my primary box, i just run it in a virtual machine
[07:35] <jjesse> so i don't know if i can even run either in VMWare
[07:35] <Tonio_> jjesse: ah ok
[07:35] <jjesse> its one of those things i'd like to.... but
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Yes compixz is currently the important thing
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Which is a hack/rewrite/based off Metacity
[07:36] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the problem is that even kubuntu specs on that point reffer to xgl, so that I'm quite confused on that point
[07:36] <DaSkreech> So there is some issue with it and KDE
[07:37] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: between compiz and kde, I know that the kde-window decorator component simply doesn't work
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah The compositing server is irrelevant
[07:37] <Tonio_> but technically kde and xgl have no link between them, so that I don't understand the point
[07:38] <DaSkreech> For most times you see people gushing about XGl they mean compiz
[07:41] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yes but on a spec.........
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Link?
[07:47] <Tonio_> da
[07:47] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuXGL
[08:28] <DaSkreech> That's kind of misleading
[08:43] <jpatrick> kmon: hey
[09:33] <neoncode> Has the kubuntu usplash just been updated? Adept updater just downloaded an updated version of that package.
[10:05] <marseillai_> jpatrick: i've saw that you've made a package of kitten (now rename strigi) do you have also package the kde3gui or only the search tool ? and i think developer would be happy to have or see this packages.
[10:06] <jpatrick> I'm packaging Kitten, Dolphin, *
[10:07] <jpatrick> CLenuce
[10:07] <marseillai_> clucene ;)
[10:07] <jpatrick> oh ok
[10:07] <jpatrick> marseillai_: got my last exam, tomorrow, tell me what you want packaged then
[10:08] <marseillai_> jpatrick: i think that vandenoever on #kat would be happy to talk with you about this. he his developer of kitten(strigi) and work really hard
[10:08] <marseillai_> oki let you work ....
[10:08] <jpatrick> ok I'm in
[10:08] <jpatrick> introduce me, introduce me :)
[10:09] <jpatrick> marseillai_: ^
[10:10] <jpatrick> Too late
[10:34] <jpatrick> bed time
[10:53] <nixternal`afk> how bad is this update going to be? is it going to destroy my ati drivers and setup now? if i reboot will i still have rendering enabled...im scared here ;)
[10:54] <nixternal`afk> here goes a reboot..if im not back in 3 minutes you know it was bad ;)
[10:59] <nixternal> whew..everything worked...will there be a kernel upgrade from -23-k7 to -25-k7
[11:27] <DaSkreech> What happened ?
[11:27] <DaSkreech> Was there a KDE update?
[11:32] <nixternal> DaSkreech: yes...a bunch of updates from what i seen...xorg and kernel was the big ones
[11:33] <DaSkreech> Man :-( I Hate updating my kernel
[11:33] <DaSkreech> nixternal: So what are the changes?
[11:35] <nixternal> i seen libgnomeprint, xserver-xorg-fglrx, xserver-xorg-glx, linux-2.6.15-25.usplash, and a few others that i can't remember
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Really?
[11:37] <DaSkreech> U have nearly every single KDE app upgraded
[11:38] <DaSkreech> I Have ..
[11:47] <toma> ok, ive had it
[11:48] <toma> im going to patch konqueror to always show the favorite menu bar
[11:49] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that happens with everypatch to kdebase, since it generates lots of deb files
[11:50] <Tonio_> so I assume that's just a little patch or kdebase
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Kate?
[11:50] <Lure> DaSkreech: kde 3.5.3 got update only (I think)
[11:51] <Lure> DaSkreech: or it may be kdm security patch
[11:52] <DaSkreech> decides against updating the kernel
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Wait
[11:52] <DaSkreech> ..
[11:52] <DaSkreech> naw I'll update :-)
[12:03] <insanekane> is there some way to affect the startup environment of all my users without touching /etc/environment ?
[12:04] <insanekane> (and also override the settings in /etc/environment)