[02:20] <jjesse> for those that are intersted in kubuntu docs please see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy for the specification that I'm building
[02:23] <LaserJock> jjesse: anything new?
[02:24] <LaserJock> or is that what you are looking for :-)
[02:25] <jjesse> i don't know when the last time you looked at it but i did some changes today
[02:25] <LaserJock> just now
[02:26] <LaserJock> it looks like Release Note, KDG, Adept, and Switching from Windows?
[02:26] <jjesse> and anything fun you want to do?
[02:27] <jjesse> anythin edgy :)
[02:28] <jjesse> ooooo reviewing actual copies of what will be in the book
[02:28] <jjesse> proofs :)
[02:28] <LaserJock> well, alas I think my time has already been swallowed up
[02:29] <jjesse> bummer doing what?
[02:31] <LaserJock> umm, the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the Ubuntu Developers Reference, Edubuntu stuff, MOTU Science stuff
[02:31] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Council stuff
[02:31] <jjesse> wow your time is spoken for :)
[02:31] <LaserJock> and perhaps a PhD
[02:32] <LaserJock> well, I've sort of got this habit of agreeing to do anything people ask me to do
[02:53] <LaserJock> mdke?!
[03:52] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:54] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco 
[03:54] <jjesse> evening jsgotangco
[03:54] <jsgotangco> hey guys =)
[03:55] <Madpilot> no more vandalism/stupidity on the wiki since last night's outbreak, I see
[03:56] <jsgotangco> oh there was eh?
[03:57] <Madpilot> yeah, "Ruwan5" - Matt cleaned most of it up
[03:58] <jjesse> hmm didn't realize there was last night
[03:58] <Madpilot> deleted four or five Category pages, created a bunch of utterly useless pages
[03:58] <jjesse> must not have been on any pages i subscribe to
[03:58] <Madpilot> I only noticed it thru RecentChanges
[04:01] <jjesse> don't you hate it when you forget where you were at in the midst of a doc?
[04:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco are you going to uds-paris?
[04:04] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:04] <jjesse> cool i hope you have fun
[04:05] <jsgotangco> well ive been to a devel summit before, its always fun
[04:05] <jjesse> this was to be my first one, but i switched jobs and have no vacation time yet
[04:05] <jjesse> though i think i might get work to swing time for the next one
[04:05] <jsgotangco> yes you should experience it 
[04:06] <jsgotangco> for paris we will have voip as well using teamspeak
[04:06] <jsgotangco> and gobby
[04:06] <jjesse> i know but paris is +6 for me :(
[04:08] <jjesse> so a 9am meeting would b 3am 
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i will probably suffer a wee bit of jetlag as well but at night
[04:08] <jjesse> and i'm sure it would suck to be on dialup cause that's all i got at home
[04:21] <Madpilot> http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/gedit-Review-26002.shtml <-- nice idea - reviewing the 'everyday' apps as if they were new & shiny
[04:28] <jsgotangco> yes that's good
[04:28] <Madpilot> well, aside from the ads inline all over that text...
[04:28] <jsgotangco> well yes softpedia is quite notorious on such
[05:06] <nixternal> jsgotangco: where at in Chicago did you live? i just read you posting in the forums
[06:12] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hi sorry i was out, West Farragut, my folks still live there
[06:12] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:12] <nixternal> im out in the burbs
[06:13] <nixternal> near schaumburg
[06:13] <jsgotangco> my mom works in a well known bridal shop
[06:13] <jsgotangco> while dad still works at wallgreens managing an outlet
[06:15] <jsgotangco> my mom got featured in the sun times a few weeks ago in the lifestyle section =)
[06:16] <nixternal> really
[06:16] <nixternal> i read lifestyle
[06:16] <nixternal> hehe
[06:16] <nixternal> i bet i know the "well known" shop...davids?
[06:16] <nixternal> i can't rmeember the names
[06:17] <jsgotangco> House of Brides Couture
[06:17] <nixternal> ya ya
[06:17] <nixternal> thats it...there is one by my house as a matter of fact
[06:17] <jsgotangco> she's one of the big consultants
[06:18] <nixternal> my sister might know her then..she does all the big wig weddings in the chicago land are
[06:18] <nixternal> a
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah i won't be surprised
[06:19] <jsgotangco> ill probably go there before the year ends
[06:19] <nixternal> well..nothing has changed here really
[06:19] <nixternal> same ol' chicago
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i worked for a few months in konami on the gambling division
[06:22] <jsgotangco> then decided to go back home here
[06:23] <nixternal> where is konami?
[06:24] <nixternal> naper?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> i think they went back to LA
[06:26] <jsgotangco> when i started there the casino division was being formed
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i won't be surprised if they have a las vegas office already
[06:26] <nixternal> i think i remember a konami office in naperville...i remember seeing something about a job opening or something maybe...can't remember
[07:28] <Madpilot> mdke, if you still need them, the Lulu book covers have been moved to http://ubuntu.ca/ubuntu-books to free up space on my own server
[09:02] <mdke> Madpilot: thanks
[09:02] <Madpilot> np
[09:02] <Madpilot> any more translations come in?
[09:02] <mdke> well, more have been done, but we haven't imported them into the repo yet
[09:04] <klepas> hey folks
[09:05] <nixternal> this is the most action i have seen in here today ;)
[09:09] <bhuvan> mdke: when a user reports a bug in any of documents and if we confirm it we can commit the fix in trunk. do we have to commit the fix in branch as well ?
[09:16] <mdke> bhuvan: no, edgy work should be in trunk. Make sure any changes that were made in the branch recently have been applied to the trunk too
[09:17] <bhuvan> mdke: ok. yeah, we must ensure trunk contains latest changes. my question, do we have to make these changes in branch (branches/dapper?)
[09:17] <mdke> bhuvan: my answer, no, edgy work should be in trunk
[09:18] <bhuvan> mdke: ok! so, aren't we providing patches for dapper users ?
[09:18] <mdke> not that I know about
[09:18] <bhuvan> ok. if so, i guess, we should do these changes in branch as well and get the patch out of it (may be)
[09:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: i thought  you would or would it only be limited to ltranslations>
[09:19] <mdke> bhuvan: no, don't change anything in branch please
[09:19] <mdke> jsgotangco: mm?
[09:19] <bhuvan> mdke: ok, np. i'll not touch branch. infact i haven't checkout. after you said, i'll not checkout branch!
[09:20] <jsgotangco> mdke: have you started uploading translations?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> i guess not
[09:22] <mdke> bhuvan: ok, I'll try and make sure any of the changes to the serverguide we've done there can be applied to trunk
[09:22] <mdke> jsgotangco: no, not yet
[09:22] <bhuvan> mdke: ok
[09:23] <mdke> bhuvan: don't make any changes to trunk until that is done
[09:24] <bhuvan> mdke: oh. i just did commit a fix for 49675. it is trivial though
[09:25] <mdke> bhuvan: that may mean it will get undone when I manually merge branch back.
[09:25] <mdke> so remember what change you made :)
[09:25] <bhuvan> yeah sure
[03:40] <mdke> bhuvan: serverguide in trunk is up to date already, no problems
[03:40] <bhuvan> mdke: ok
[03:40] <mdke> oh shit hang on
[03:40] <mdke> lemme do a proper diff this time
[03:41] <bhuvan> mdke: i see couple of couples in branches/dapper/generic/serverguide. last commit being on jun 09
[03:41] <bhuvan> s/couples/commits/g
[03:42] <mdke> yep, seems to be all up to date
[03:44] <matthewrevell> Hey guys - just out of interest, do you have any plans to move over to Bazaar, rathr than SVN?
[03:44] <BenB> I am having trouble logging my laptop test on the Ubintu wiki.  Anyone here able to help?
[03:45] <mdke> BenB: yes
[03:45] <matthewrevell> mdke: :)
[03:45] <mdke> matthewrevell: we've thought about it, and so far haven't found any persuasive reason to do so
[03:45] <mdke> at least, that's my interpretation of the situation
[03:46] <matthewrevell> mdke: As there's already a working solution in place, that's understandable.
[03:46] <BenB> Great.  When I create the page with the template, I just get a #REDIRECT line (to the laptop testing template) and I don't know what to do then!
[03:46] <mdke> BenB: yeah, that is an error by us, hang on
[03:46] <matthewrevell> bzr seems to have a lower learning curve than other solutions, so for new projects I'd say it's pretty cool.
[03:47] <BenB> mdke: OK.  Hang on short term, or long term?
[03:47] <mdke> BenB: I'll sort it in a bit. For now, just create your page, then use the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template
[03:49] <BenB> mdke:  OK, but I think I may have created a page with the REDIRECT so it may need to be deleted:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/SonyVaioVGN-S4XP
[03:50] <mdke> BenB: no, just use that page
[03:50] <mdke> I'll do it for you, hang on
[03:50] <BenB> mdke: OK.  Thanks.
[03:51] <mdke> BenB: done, now just fill in the blanks :)
[03:52] <BenB> mdke:  Ah,  great,  Thanks.
[03:52] <mdke> matthewrevell: i'm conscious I may not have answered any of the questions _you_ had about where to start contributing yesterday...
[03:53] <matthewrevell> mdke: I was half asleep last night, so I'm not sure I fully remember :)
[03:54] <mdke> matthewrevell: well, I'm much better at explaining things when I'm not being recorded, so feel free to ask :)
[03:54] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:55] <matthewrevell> mdke: I felt as though we'd covered pretty much everything. We had a chat, afterwards, about the whole toolchain side of things, which threw up some interesting ideas. The main conclusion we reached, though, was that it's more important to have people writing docs, than thinking about tools.
[03:56] <matthewrevell> My own questions relate more to how to get a feel for the community, etc, and who is doing what.
[03:57] <mdke> right
[03:57] <matthewrevell> The styleguide is a good place to start, but I think you mentiones that it's in flux. 
[03:57] <mdke> it occurred to me that I didn't mention the wiki->docbook tools that are evolving
[03:57] <mdke> that was stupid of me
[03:57] <matthewrevell> Oh. Perhaps I could mention them in the following show, if you give me details.
[03:58] <mdke> sure
[03:58] <dsas> That's just reminded me, I was humming the LR theme earlier and couldn't remember where it was from.
[03:58] <matthewrevell> dsas: Ah, Dean Sas.
[03:58] <mdke> http://www.mdke.org/blog/Wiki2Docbook.html
[03:58] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:59] <matthewrevell> mdke: Thanks. 
[03:59] <dsas> matthewrevell: Hello.
[04:05] <matthewrevell> mdke: Are the "Work in Progress" links on the right-hand side of doc.ubuntu.com the current priorities? I ask because the main page content says they're in development for release with Dapper, but obviously that's been released.
[04:05] <mdke> matthewrevell: yeah, that hasn't been updated since Dapper. We still have to make plans for edgy about what projects to focus on.
[04:06] <jsgotangco> matthewrevell: bzr doesn't bode well for structured data like xml and the current social structure of the docteam doesn't fit well in a distributed revision control system
[04:06] <jsgotangco> unless each derivative begins to have their own teams working separately i guess
[04:06] <jsgotangco> its possible to make bzr work like an svn server with a PQM bot, but then, why bother
[04:07] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Oh really? Okeydoke. I haven't used it enough to have come across its limitations with documentation etc.
[04:07] <mdke> I dunno...
[04:07] <jsgotangco> its a neat system
[04:07] <mdke> it should be able to work with documentation
[04:08] <dsas> I wasn't sure how the xml limitations were any different to any other rcs xml limitations
[04:08] <matthewrevell> mdke: How do you guys make plans, then? Do you have irc meetings to bash it all out?
[04:08] <dsas> i.e. it's easy to make the document not validate.
[04:08] <mdke> matthewrevell: that's the idea yeah. There is one tomorrow, I believe
[04:08] <jsgotangco> its not so much on the xml limitation per se, but its more on the social structure of a distributed rcs compared to a centralised one
[04:08] <jjesse> at noon est 
[04:08] <jjesse> whatever time that is gmt 
[04:08] <jsgotangco> ie; reverting changes than having all merge to the reverts
[04:08] <matthewrevell> jjesse: 17:00 I think
[04:09] <dsas> it's today at 18:00 BST according to the topic in u-meeting
[04:09] <matthewrevell> Are the meetings announced on the ubuntu-doc mailing list, then? Also, are they open?
[04:09] <jsgotangco> always
[04:10] <jjesse> is it @Agenda or what in #ubuntu-meeting i never remember?
[04:10] <dsas> jjesse: @schedule
[04:10] <matthewrevell> I'll be driving home at 18:00. I take it the log is available online somewhere, shortly after?
[04:11] <jjesse> hmm did the date get changed?
[04:11] <dsas> matthewrevell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ 
[04:11] <matthewrevell> dsas: Thanks
[04:11] <mdke> dsas: today? tomorrow right?
[04:11] <dsas> 15th of June apparently
[04:11] <mdke> well, our agenda page says 16th
[04:12] <dsas> ah, the fridge disagrees.
[04:12] <mdke> tut tut
[04:12] <mdke> stupid fridge
[04:12] <mdke> mailing list says 16th too
[04:14] <dsas> Now there's plenty of time to watch the football and cook :)
[04:15] <mdke> the idea of a meeting during the football is crazy
[04:16] <mdke> we have enough english people to veto that
[04:18] <jsgotangco> has england played already
[04:19] <mdke> second game is today
[04:21] <jsgotangco> would you strangle me if i wish they lose?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> mdke: there's a teamspeak server setup for paris so you could still get involved in a bof or something
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco: we'll see. cool idea
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco: and no ;)
[04:28] <jsgotangco> cool i hope they loose 10-0
[04:43] <BenB> mdke: First draft written!  Many thanks.  Bye all.
[07:50] <jjesse> mdke you there?
[07:50] <jjesse> anyone able to help pitti in #ubuntu-doc in regards to svn merge?
[07:51] <LaserJock> not I
[07:52] <jjesse> bummer
[07:52] <LaserJock> what did we merge?
[07:56] <jjesse> trunk into branches
[07:56] <jjesse> so we have branches/breezy and branches/dapper
[07:56] <jjesse> and trunk is wher the development takes place
[07:57] <LaserJock> I didn't think we merged though, but I don't get svn very well
[07:59] <jjesse> yes we did, there is in fact something about it on the meeting agenda for tomrorow
[08:01] <LaserJock> yeah, but those are manual merges, no?
[08:01] <LaserJock> svn diff and then patch
[08:25] <jjesse> sorry for the delay laserjock, but we did a manual svn merge branch/dapper trunk or something liek that
[08:27] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't
[08:29] <jjesse> mdke made one i think for all 
[08:30] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:45] <LaserJock> jjesse: hmm, I only see a merge for the server guide
[10:08] <mdke> jjesse: no, I haven't done merges for everything, it's the responsibility of each maintainer to make sure everything has been kept up to date
[10:09] <Laser_away> I'll make sure I'm up to date before the meeting tomorrow