[12:07] later === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === nigel_c [i=nigel@203.171.70.205] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:31] hey [01:09] yo [01:14] how is it going [01:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vhTSwoSA8 [01:17] writing wiki pages isn't fun [01:17] heh...im doing some grub stuff === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:51] yay..new grub works === lifeless_ [n=robertc@dsl-208.7.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kimo [n=ahmed@82.129.234.122] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:03] I am using 2.6.17-1.1, everything in official dapper kernel is fixed :) Problem, is waking from sus2ram => kernel oops. Should I report this ? where ? [09:05] sure. [https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug] === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:39] Thanks, bug reported === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Bye"] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-092-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:02] anyone knows the difference bet a process's nice value & its priority value (as shown in top for example)! [01:04] Priority is the kernel assigned priority, which relates to the niceness, but not always in an obvious 1:1 way. [01:05] thanks ... any relation, or totally random! [01:05] depends on load ? [01:18] PRI = Nice + -20 [01:18] iirc [01:20] last i checked it was slightly different [01:20] if its that straightforward, then its redundant [01:20] priority indicates the amount of CPU the process is allowed to get and it's calculated according to the amount of processes [01:20] nice is a value that indicates how quickly a process can be deprioritized [01:21] (or prioritized according to the POV) [01:21] so a process can be high priority because it's really CPU consuming [01:21] but it can be nice 20 and gets deprioritized very fast if other process with same or higher priority get in the game [01:21] see for example stuff like setiathome [01:22] they are very cpu intesive (high priority) but they get trashed on the floor if anything else needs CPU (high nice level) [01:23] this way, the priority, is an internal (scheduler) thing, right. The user shouldnt & doesnt want to see it, and cant change it, right ? [01:23] users never need to use top [01:24] admins I mean [01:24] kimo: assume you have a 1 sec sample of time [01:24] n one sec a lot of things happen in the CPU [01:24] tons of processes are running [01:25] they need to get scheduled and for only a very precise amount of time [01:25] the priority is used to calculate that time === kimo is thinking, priority is speed, nice is acceleration. Nice changes how 'fast' priority changes! [01:27] right [01:28] cool ... thanks a lot for the verbose explanation [01:29] kimo: please deposit 1.000 USD on my bank account [01:29] ;) [01:31] :) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:35] heylo === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.188] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:00] hi [04:00] how can I get older kernel packages from the Dapper development cycle? [04:01] I have a freeze in -23 that happen less often in -22, but used to never have problems with older kernel [04:01] I want to track it down to a specific release === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey_ [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:09] BenC: Hey, is this the patch from the guy who's stuff is in the -mm tree? [04:09] (re: the lkh mail you sent me today) [04:09] If yes, I was hoping to drag you aside and look at it in Paris sometime. =) [04:09] Not sure, but it looked like something you'd be interested in [04:09] ok, we can do that [04:10] Or during the toolchain workshop or something. === BenC can't wait to leave for paris [04:11] About 12 hours for me. [04:11] The flight was much cheaper. [04:11] But I thought it was tomorrow. I'm glad I looked at my tickets a couple days ago. [04:16] 2 more days for me [04:21] dont get into too much trouble [04:22] jbailey_: customs agents at trudeau might recieve a call about you on your way back though ;) [04:22] Err. Why? [04:22] What did you do? [04:23] Oh [04:23] misread. [04:23] I know where you live. [04:23] you know the city, not the street :) [04:23] I just need a sufficiently high grade weapon. [04:23] true [04:23] ;) === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:30] when I went to Montreal [04:30] my friend got flagged in Baltimore for random search [04:31] last time i flew out of montreal there was a bomb scare on the airplane that i was on. [04:31] while he was being frisked by a large security person behind a glass wall, I leaned over and told the guard "He's got something hidden up his butt, might want to check it out" [04:32] the guard said "If he's got something up there, it's going to stay there" [04:32] my friend was not happy :) [04:32] .hehe [04:36] zul: customs agent in YUL are assholes [04:37] zul: next time I'll ask what 272 means on the custom form === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:37] heh [04:38] so no archive of the kernel packages anywhere? [04:40] isnt there a morgue? [04:40] you tell me [04:41] I'm looking for older like 2.6.15-19 to track down a regression [04:41] my laptop freeze on wake up, very often [04:41] hub: on Launchpad [04:41] -22 seems better than -23 [04:41] go to the kernel source page, and it lists all the versions [04:41] pick one and it lets you download the binaries [04:42] ok. now I need to locate them in Launchpad [04:42] linux-source-2.6.15 === hub won't say anything about launchpad UI [04:43] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15 [04:43] BenC: yeah reached that [04:43] thanks [04:44] now pick a version [04:45] yep [04:45] oh, weird, the binaries are missing [04:45] iz lp bug [04:45] Keybuk: no biggie, I'll debuild it [04:45] ah [04:45] no [04:45] you have to go to the build [04:45] https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/189805 [04:45] and then pick a binary [04:45] hub: Only choice if lp doesn't have them is to get the GIT repo, and use the tags to build [04:46] Yeah, binaries are associated with a build, not with the source. [04:46] BenC: I'll build from the debian package [04:46] Which actually does make sense, internally. Honest. [04:46] BenC: I have some time anyway [04:46] hub: then you'll be downloading quite a few 80Meg tarballs if you don't get the right one the first time :) [04:46] my problem is that I can't even get enough diagnostic for the bug to be usefull [04:47] plus if you do find the right one, still need to use git-bisect to find the exact commit [04:47] BenC: I have no clue were it freeze [04:47] BenC: I just want to put in the bug, version foo does not [04:47] BenC: and stick to that for my laptop [04:47] hub: which is really useless [04:47] freeze on wakeup is a waste of time [04:48] BenC: then I'll just keep it for myself [04:48] I have NO output anyway [04:48] so you don't want the bug fixed for everyone else, and for security updates? [04:48] my problem is that dapper final is less stable that developement [04:48] I'm not asking for output [04:48] you can use git to find the exact commit that causes the problem [04:49] if you are willing to take the time to rebuild a kernel that works for you, it would be nice to take a little more to actually find the problem [04:49] I have never used git [04:49] BenC: I'll see what I can do on my copious spare time [04:50] hub: if you're willing to do the testing, I'm willing to help you through git [04:50] URL in topic shows how to obtain the source [04:51] BenC: ok [04:52] the thing is that this is my only machine [04:52] the otherone does not have a keyboard [04:52] and I'd rather not use it to build kernel [04:52] doing something like "git-checkout 2.6.15-22.33" will get you the source for that version [04:53] .34 freeze sometime, but less that 23.39 [04:53] 2.6.15-19.29 did not [04:53] because that one was actually installed but has been purged since [04:53] I'll start from there, [04:56] BenC: ubuntu-dapper.git I should get? [04:58] BenC: the bug is that one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49078 [04:59] yeah, dapper.git is what you want [05:00] currently cloning === hub knew bk at one point [05:01] it's very similar to bk [05:02] except git is open source [05:03] mkrufky: yeah. that is something that was bugging me [05:04] mkrufky: but the only reason I used it is because I did doing kernel development at that time, for a short living [05:05] bk was good while it was used -- i'm not knocking it ;-) [05:07] mkrufky: the worse was that $BOSS didn't trust people so we had to send hime patches [05:08] huh? [05:08] yeah we had our own bk tree [05:08] oh ok [05:08] and all the change had to go thru $BOSS [05:08] who didn't care about upstream [05:08] unless it was to pull the changes [05:09] who is "we" ? [05:10] mkrufky: me and other coworker at that time [05:10] mkrufky: working on a ADSL settop box for the #2 ISP in France [05:11] but this is getting off-topic [05:12] does building the kernel use ccache? [05:12] if available? [05:13] yes you can use ccache === BenC would be useless without ccache for kernel builds [05:16] BenC: no just a tad slower ;) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:09] BenC: I did a git clone, and if I do a 'git-checkout 2.6.15-19.29', it says [06:09] git checkout: you need to specify a new branch name [06:10] git-branch 2.6.15-19.29 2.6.15-19.29 [06:10] try that [06:11] if that doesn't work, cat .git/refs/tags/2.6.15-19.29 [06:11] and do git-branch 2.6.15-19.29 [06:12] git-branch did work [06:12] or at least didn't complain [06:13] ok, from there you can git-checkout 2.6.15-19.29 [06:13] in progress [06:14] done [06:15] are you using 386, 686, k7? [06:15] sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.15 [06:15] then do: [06:15] fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=686 [06:16] change 686 to which ever you are using [06:16] Pentium M [06:16] so likely to be 686 [06:16] actually it is -386 [06:16] 2.6.15-22-386 [06:20] should have I installed a -686 kernel? [06:20] BenC: the one kail is talking about is 0.54 [06:22] hub: no, doesn't matter [06:22] ok [06:22] -386 should work everywhere, while -686 is a little optimized (and has SMP) [06:23] I'll test with -386 to not add variety to the testing conditions === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F4E82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:28] fabbione, so you want the bug # here again? ;) [06:28] bug 49870 [06:29] ok, no bot [06:29] KaiL: why? i am not a kernel maintainer so i am not going to fix anyway :) [06:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/49870 === fabbione wins over and over [06:29] I thought, you are? only for edgy? [06:29] nope [06:29] i was.. for breezy [06:29] ah! [06:29] partially breezy sorry [06:29] mostly hoary [06:30] btw 0.53 apparently fixes this from nvidia [06:30] there's also a 0.54, maybe also bugfix only? [06:31] * 0.54: 21 Mar 2006: Fix spin locks for multi irqs and cleanup. [06:31] uhm, yes... === TheOldFellow [n=TheOldFe@i-83-67-35-136.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:31] BenC: ill put it my tree.. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel GIT tree info (updated): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.17-1.1 uploaded, please use responsibly | Daily kernel builds (for debug and testing purposes only) http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/ | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-busy === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mkrufky-busy is now known as mkrufky === bernard_ [n=bernard@130.95.86.66] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:17] hmmm...whats wrong with this bug? #49789 === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F406B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:36] BenC: side note, do you know anyone particularly good with linux kernel mm/ internals? Particularly the swap code [09:36] not off hand [09:37] ah damn. Oh well, maybe when I get most of this thing coded I can coerce someone into doing that part. [09:38] bluefoxicy: #kernelnewbies on oftc? [09:39] cjb: they bounce me source fil eto source file but the functions are non-intuitive. :) [09:39] cjb: I'm trying to break up the swap code and make a point where the kernel thinks a page has been swapped out but it hasn't yet been sent to the actual swap medium yet (i.e. disk) [09:39] which of course has code that just shoves it into the swap medium [09:40] I have something interesting to do inbetween though. [09:40] (I'll break suspend to disk probably but that'll be a one line fix) [09:41] Well, how does, say, the encrypted swap support do it? [09:41] encrypted swap? I dunno. [09:42] I'm not doing anything to the swap file though. [09:42] Okay; thought it might be using the hooks you're after. [09:43] Since you want take page -> ? -> store page on disk, and "encrypt page" is one such action. :) [09:43] cjb: http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/mediawiki-1.5.5/index.php/Project_Zone/Design [09:44] cjb: That's what I'm doing :) [09:47] BenC: Hi Ben! [09:47] BenC: I just upgraded the laptop, and the fix works! Thanks! [09:47] Yay! [09:47] cool === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:10] sweet, -25 is fixing bug after bug === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-0909.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [n=jbailey@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:27] heylo [11:29] BenC: ping [11:30] can you have a look at http://zulinux.homeinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/vmware-player [11:41] connection refused ;) [11:41] oops [11:41] can you have a look at http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/vmware-player [11:41] hmm, would it be possible to write a (userspace?) tool, which sends everything accessing /dev/dsp to esddsp or aoss..? [11:42] that should finally end the oss-Hell [11:47] ..wrong channel? ;) [11:50] BenC: compiles and works for me