[12:22] <ryanakca> hmmm... when building typespeed's .dsc, I get this error (scroll down to the end, the rest is just to help you help me) http://pastebin.ca/65641
[12:23] <TheMuso> Have you tried building it normally? i.e not in pbuilder?
[12:24] <ryanakca> make, make install, etc?
[12:24] <ryanakca> yeah, it installs
[12:24] <TheMuso> No, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[12:24] <ryanakca> from the source dir?
[12:24] <TheMuso> The problem is in the debian rules file it seems.
[12:24] <TheMuso> Yep.
[12:24] <TheMuso> It seems the problem is to do with dh_fixperms being run.
[12:25] <TheMuso> Or a problem that dh_fixperms is encountering.
[12:25] <ryanakca> same error
[12:25] <ryanakca> my rules file : http://pastebin.ca/65642
[12:27] <TheMuso> Ok. The reason it is not working is because no package files are actually being installed.
[12:28] <ryanakca> ??
[12:28] <TheMuso> How did you create the debian/rules file?
[12:29] <TheMuso> Ok. What is currently in the debian/ directory?
[12:29] <ryanakca> dh_make, and I changed "dh_installman typespeed.1" to "dh_installman typespeed.6" in the rules
[12:29] <ryanakca> wait, no, that's not true...
[12:29] <ryanakca> I copied the rules file from the old 4.4 typespeed's source....
[12:30] <ryanakca> dh_make and I copied the files from the old source...
[12:31] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:31] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/65645
[12:31] <ryanakca> lol...
[12:31] <ryanakca> I'm following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[12:32] <TheMuso> ok
[12:32] <zul> hey
[12:32] <TheMuso> Hey zul.
[12:32] <zul> hey TheMuso
[12:35] <ryanakca> any ideas?
[12:36] <TheMuso> Not really.
[12:36] <TheMuso> Is the contents of the debian dir that you showed me right after the failed build?
[12:36] <TheMuso> from right after the failed build I should say.
[12:36] <ryanakca> yes,
[12:37] <ryanakca> I made the .dsc, and then I didn't touch it...
[12:37] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:37] <ryanakca> touch the debian/    ... I'm not being specific, I know :)
[12:38] <TheMuso> Well I gotta go and grab some breakfast to help me think. :)
[12:39] <TheMuso> Be back in a little while.
[12:39] <ryanakca> kk
[12:40] <ryanakca> lol, 6:39 PM out here... just had supper :)
[12:40] <TheMuso> 8:42 AM in Sydney here. :)
[01:00] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Ok I am back. Have you tried anything else?
[01:00] <ryanakca> when building typespeed's .dsc, I get this error (scroll down to the end, the rest is just to help you help me) http://pastebin.ca/65641      my rules file : http://pastebin.ca/65642     program builds with make & sudo make install     the debian directory was created with dh_make, except that I copied the control, changelog, rules, and copyright from the source of typespeed 4.4
[01:02] <TheMuso> Hmm. I would only have copied the control, copyright and changelog files.
[01:03] <TheMuso> My guess is that the chgrp stuff for typespeed no longer applies, but I can't be sure of that.
[01:04] <ryanakca> nope...
[01:04] <ryanakca> I check the build directory... I went ctrl-c before it deleted it all...
[01:06] <ryanakca> theres nothing in the /usr/games/, and there is no file starting with type in /var/games
[01:06] <ryanakca> So my guess is that there IS something wrong with the rules...
[01:06] <TheMuso> Don't forget that when the package gets built and gets put in a temporary placeholder, that the install files generally get palced in something like debian/tmp/usr etc.
[01:07] <TheMuso> Thats why I was wondering what was in your debian dir after it failed to build.
[01:09] <ryanakca> kk, I re-extracted the package, and I'm using the dh_make rules, but the old control, changelog, copyright.
[01:09] <TheMuso> Ok. You may need to modify rules to suit the needs of the package.
[01:09] <ryanakca> yeah... I had modified the old rules last time..
[01:10] <ryanakca> I'll try with dh_make rules, and then I'll modify these as needed...
[01:10] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:13] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/65654
[01:13] <ryanakca> I need to edit the Makefile...
[01:14] <ryanakca> right? at least that's what I had done last time... http://pastebin.ca/65655
[01:14] <TheMuso> Yes you do.
[01:15] <ryanakca> install to /usr/games methinks... not /usr/bin....
[01:16] <TheMuso> I don't exactly know where games go.
[01:16] <ryanakca> yep
[01:16] <TheMuso> /usr/games I think..
[01:16] <ryanakca> but then... it's not exactly a "game"... its more of a "learn to type" program... so I'll put it in /usr/bin
[01:20] <ryanakca> ok, different error now, it seems to be one that is easyer to fix....
[01:21] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/65658
[01:23] <TheMuso> THe Makefile doesn't use the DESTDIr variable.
[01:23] <TheMuso> Which it needs to.
[01:24] <TheMuso> Sloppy Makefile writers. :S
[01:24] <ryanakca> hmmm... I COULD do something incredibly stupid to fix that error.. but I wont :)
[01:25] <LaserJock> bah, why not? :-)
[01:25] <ryanakca> chmod 777 ${BIN}  , 	install -s -m 755 typespeed ${BIN}    ,    chmod 755 ${BIN}
[01:25] <ryanakca> see what I mean?
[01:26] <TheMuso> That still doesn't help the package build process.
[01:26] <ryanakca> it doesn't have permission to write to /usr/bin, so fix that... but that gives a split second to any security exploit just waiting to strike
[01:27] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Would you mind sending me a copy of the Makefile via irc dcc? I will edit it and show you what I mean.
[01:27] <ryanakca> kk
[01:27] <ryanakca> what about I put it on my web server
[01:27] <TheMuso> Thats fine.
[01:28] <ryanakca> rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Makefile
[01:28] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[01:28] <ryanakca> np, brb
[01:31] <TheMuso> When you are ready, the edited copy s here: http://www.themuso.id.au/Makefile
[01:31] <TheMuso> The section I have changed is the install section.
[01:42] <LaserJock> bah, I'm only getting FC5 at 400k/s which is like getting Ubuntu at 80k/s
[01:42] <TheMuso> heh
[01:42] <TheMuso> What are you getting FC5 for?
[01:43] <LaserJock> because DistroWatch said it was better than Dapper :-)
[01:43] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:43] <LaserJock> and I haven't seen Fedora since about FC3
[01:44] <LaserJock> so I thought I'd give it a shot in qemu
[01:44] <TheMuso> I have only ever played with FC1. :)
[01:44] <LaserJock> yuk, I didn't think it was very good, although I've never been very impressed with any Red Hat stuff
[01:44] <LaserJock> they always end up a lot slower for me
[01:45] <TheMuso> heh
[01:45] <TheMuso> Ok. I have found amirror with the DVD.
[01:45] <LaserJock> probably the same one I'm getting it from
[01:45] <LaserJock> don't steal my bandwidth ;-)
[01:46] <TheMuso> Meh. 5 hours till it finishes. :)
[01:46] <TheMuso> Nah, this is a mirror in Australia.
[01:46] <TheMuso> That I am using.
[01:47] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:47] <LaserJock> cause my I dropped to 390k/s ;-)
[01:47] <LaserJock> s/my//
[01:47] <TheMuso> Well I am only able to pull 162 KB/s max on my connection.
[01:48] <TheMuso> And I am currently maxing it out.
[01:48] <LaserJock> well, I've been able to get 4M/s but that's pretty rare
[01:49] <TheMuso> Lucky you.
[01:49] <TheMuso> I am stuck on 1.5mbps here in Australia.
[01:49] <LaserJock> well, I pay (or rather my advisor pays) enough in tuition, I oughta get some decent bandwidth
[01:49] <TheMuso> Faster speeds are available, but I haven't bothered changing. Won't bother till we move anyway.
[01:50] <TheMuso> But Australian broadband is still mostly stone-aged compared to most of the rest of the world.
[01:50] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm on 1.5mbps but it is really stable
[01:52] <TheMuso> So is mine.
[01:52] <DarkMageZ> TheMuso, i suggest moving to canberra, i hear they have adsl2+!
[01:52] <TheMuso> But I'd like more upstream if nothing else.
[01:52] <TheMuso> I only have 256kbps upstream.
[01:53] <TheMuso> DarkMageZ: I am pretty sure I can get it on the exchange I am on, but couldn't be bothered changing now, as we will probably be moving in a few months.
[01:53] <TheMuso> And Canberra is too cold for my liking. :)
[01:53] <TheMuso> And public transport isn't exactly as good down there.
[01:54] <DarkMageZ> they have bicycle lanes, u can go anywhere in canberra on a bike
[01:55] <TheMuso> When you are vision impaired, that is not exactly practicle.
[01:55] <ajmitch> morning
[01:55] <DarkMageZ> oh, eh, sorry about that
[01:55] <LaserJock> lol
[01:55] <TheMuso> np
[01:55] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[01:55] <LaserJock> even for people with perfectly fine vision, bicycling around cities can be a problem
[01:56] <ajmitch> if canberra is too cold for you, you'd love dunedin :)
[01:56] <TheMuso> heh
[01:56] <LaserJock> I wouldn't know though, I live the US, western US at that
[01:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how do you pronounce dunedin?
[01:57] <ajmitch> stress on the e
[01:57] <DarkMageZ> done-ee-din
[01:58] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:58] <ajmitch> originally it would have been 2 words
[01:58] <ajmitch> (scots gaelic)
[01:58] <zul> hey ajmitch
[01:59] <ajmitch> hey zul
[02:04] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[02:04] <Kyral> hello he who is bddebian
[02:04] <bddebian> Heh, hi Kyral
[02:04] <Kyral> I haven't gotten anywhere with that libgc thing
[02:05] <bddebian> hehe
[02:05] <Kyral> dpkg-buildpackage stops at the Make Test thing
[02:05] <Kyral> hurd doesn't freeze because I can ^C out of it
[02:05] <TheMuso> Cool! VOIP for Paris!
[02:06] <ryanakca> TheMuso: thanks
[02:06] <TheMuso> np
[02:06] <TheMuso> Do you understand what I have done to that?
[02:07] <ryanakca> I'm looking at it atm...
[02:07] <ryanakca> you added DESTDIR...
[02:07] <TheMuso> Yep.
[02:08] <TheMuso> Which should make sure things get placed in the right place when the package gets built in pbuilder./
[02:08] <ryanakca> You replaced all the ${PREFIX} with $(DESTDIR)/   by the looks of it
[02:08] <ryanakca> :)
[02:08] <ryanakca> I'll try it, thanks
[02:09] <TheMuso> No problem.
[02:11] <ryanakca> oops... 1 error http://pastebin.ca/65672
[02:13] <ryanakca> hmmm... add        mkdir $(DESTDIR)//etc/   before     echo ${WORDFILES} > $(DESTDIR)//etc/typespeedrc    ?
[02:14] <TheMuso> Yep.
[02:14] <ryanakca> yep, it worked...
[02:14] <TheMuso> Cool.
[02:14] <bmonty> hi MOTUs
[02:14] <ajmitch> hi bmonty
[02:15] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/65681
[02:15] <LaserJock> gobby and VoIP? yikes
[02:15] <LaserJock> hi bmonty bddebian et. al.
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya bmonty, LaserJock, ajmitch, TheMuso, ryanakca, etc :-)
[02:16] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yeah I know.
[02:16] <TheMuso> Gobby is alright for me as it uses GTK2, but I am not sure about teamspeak.
[02:16] <ryanakca> change      ./typespeed --makescores        to    $(DESTDIR)/${BIN}/typespeed --makescores        ?
[02:16] <TheMuso> Just setting it up now to have a look.
[02:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: where was this announced?
[02:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: only to the priveleged few ;-)
[02:17] <ryanakca> hey bddebian.....      I figured out how to make a rules file for scons...
[02:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: figures
[02:17] <LaserJock> actually, Keybuck said something about it yesterday, I think
[02:17] <bddebian> ryanakca: Great
[02:17] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Actually I am not sure about that and what it does.
[02:18] <LaserJock> does a headset include both headphones and mic (man am I old)
[02:18] <TheMuso> Yes.
[02:18] <TheMuso> I am so annoyed, because I have a very good set of headphones, but they don't have a mic, and I don't want to use some crummy headset for audio.
[02:18] <TheMuso> With things that sound like absolute crap
[02:18] <LaserJock> I have crummy everything
[02:19] <LaserJock> I'll have to make a trip to Walmart ;-)
[02:19] <ryanakca> bddebian: HOWTO for scons rule files... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu?action=show&redirect=KubuntuPackagingGuide#head-14fd9bd07ac2eaf9ff87fdb6c4d054e2ecbf88ec
[02:19] <bddebian> Cool.  Did you get around it not finding libSDL?
[02:20] <LaserJock> although it is funny that they use Team Speak, people use that a lot one one of the games I used to play
[02:20] <ryanakca> TheMuso: hmmm... same here
[02:20] <ryanakca> nope
[02:20] <ryanakca> That's one of the many parts I don't understand
[02:20] <TheMuso> And I think it assumes a few path names, and won't place the files in the correct spot.
[02:21] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Have you set up teamspeak yet?
[02:21] <TheMuso> If so, where in the menus can it be found/
[02:21] <TheMuso> I haven't found it yet.
[02:21] <ryanakca> TheMuso:
[02:21] <ryanakca>  --makescores
[02:21] <ryanakca>               Reset/Make  scorefiles  for  the  wordfiles  found in the dir defined in the configs or if no config files exist, then in the current dir.
[02:21] <ryanakca>               Doesnt start typespeed.
[02:21] <LaserJock> in what menu?
[02:21] <ryanakca> oops... sorry all... that was supposed to be 1 line :)
[02:21] <TheMuso> ryanakca: hmmm
[02:22] <TheMuso> The best thing to do is just to build the package without installing it anywhere, and run that command and see what happens.
[02:22] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Thats what I am wondering.
[02:22] <TheMuso> When you install teamspeak, there is an option to create menu entries for GNOME and KDE.
[02:22] <TheMuso> BUt I can't find it anywhere.
[02:22] <ryanakca> It's allready installed... so...
[02:22] <TheMuso> Unless I need to reload my menus somehow.
[02:23] <ryanakca> hmmmm....
[02:23] <LaserJock> TheMuso: oh, well I haven't gotten that far, I'm on OS X
[02:23] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:24] <TheMuso> Ok, teamspeak is out of the question for me.
[02:24] <TheMuso> Gar!
[02:24] <LaserJock> really?
[02:25] <LaserJock> well, I think it is sort of a cool idea
[02:25] <LaserJock> I hope it works
[02:25] <nickpresta> >_>
[02:25] <LaserJock> although I'm not crazy about being heard around the world :(
[02:26] <TheMuso> Cool idea, yes. Accessible, no.
[02:26] <TheMuso> At least I will be able to use gobby.
[02:26] <TheMuso> I hope.
[02:27] <nickpresta> I am interested in giving back to the Linux community and I thought packing would be a good way to do it. Could someone give me a brief rundown (non-technical) of what I would be getting myself into?
[02:27] <LaserJock> nickpresta: a lot of pain and heartache ;-)
[02:27] <ryanakca> nickpresta: lots of work
[02:27] <nickpresta> I've heard the horror stories =P
[02:27] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:28] <ryanakca> I just started attempting to package... and after ~ 6 hours, I don't even have a package...
[02:28] <ryanakca> and it's a simple app...
[02:28] <LaserJock> it's really a blast, and the people are awesome
[02:28] <LaserJock> don't listen to ryanakca, he's doind silly things ;-)
[02:28] <ryanakca> and helpfull :)
[02:28] <nickpresta> Well, I don't mind putting in time and effort as I would waste it sitting here anyways >_>
[02:29] <TheMuso> heh
[02:29] <ryanakca> lol... if you have a question... [whisper] don't tell them I told you this... but the people here are really cool and are awesome when it comes to helping you and answering questions[/whisper] ... SHHH!
[02:29] <bddebian> nickpresta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[02:29] <LaserJock> if you want some docs check out http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html and www.debian.org/devel/
[02:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: nooooo, not there :-)
[02:29] <bddebian> No?
[02:30] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com
[02:30] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[02:30] <LaserJock> the wiki is just my working outline
[02:30] <nickpresta> Yep, thanks. I was bookmarking them earlier and I plan to get to them later tonight.
[02:30] <LaserJock> I don't want anybody to see that ;-)
[02:31] <ryanakca> read the help.ubuntu.com one, as well as The Debian New Maintainers' Guide   http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[02:32] <nickpresta> Any specific language I need to be able to program in?
[02:32] <LaserJock> no
[02:34] <nickpresta> God, MySQL takes forever to compile
[02:35] <LaserJock> TheMuso: what's the problem with TeamSpeak? hard to use?
[02:36] <TheMuso> LaserJock: It isn't accessible at all. Doesn't work with any GNOME/KDE accessibility technologies.
[02:36] <bddebian> nickpresta: All of them :-)
[02:36] <nickpresta> I've always been a fan of Ventrilo. I never liked TS
[02:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: heh, then what are you doing around here ;-)
[02:37] <bddebian> :'-(
[02:37] <LaserJock> TheMuso: bummer man :(
[02:37] <TheMuso> Damn right.
[02:37] <TheMuso> I let James know about it. :)
[02:37] <LaserJock> nice, poke the elmo ;-)
[02:37] <TheMuso> heh
[02:38] <zul> LaserJock: ouch...
[02:38] <zul> thats cold...even for ajmitch
[02:38] <zul> ;)
[02:38] <LaserJock> ouch?
[02:38] <bddebian> WTF are you all talking about?
[02:38] <LaserJock> we are using VoIP for Paris
[02:39] <LaserJock> Team Speak
[02:39] <zul> whoops...misfire
[02:39] <LaserJock> so all the world can hear the BOFs
[02:39] <bddebian> Ah
[02:39] <LaserJock> and gobby so we don't trash each others work
[02:39] <LaserJock> or something like that ;-)
[02:39] <ajmitch> we used gobby at UBZ
[02:39] <ajmitch> it's improved a bit since then
[02:39] <LaserJock> good
[02:40] <TheMuso> At least gobby uses GTK.
[02:40] <LaserJock> I heard it was bad
[02:40] <ajmitch> 1 client crashing doesn't kill off the session everyone is working on :)
[02:40] <LaserJock> yikes
[02:40] <ajmitch> it was a little annoying...
[02:40] <TheMuso> heh
[02:40] <LaserJock> what are people editing?
[02:41] <ajmitch> text
[02:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: So how does it work exactly?
[02:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I figured that
[02:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: but I thought we would be editing wiki pages
[02:41] <ajmitch> you are
[02:42] <LaserJock> ok
[02:42] <ajmitch> it's *much* easier to grab the wiki text & stick it in gobby
[02:42] <ajmitch> than to handle conflicts on the wiki & deal with the breakage
[02:42] <LaserJock> TheMuso: well at least its open source
[02:42] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right, makes sense
[02:42] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yeah, and it uses GTK which is a good start.
[02:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: got gobby installed?
[02:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no
[02:43] <LaserJock> just a sec
[02:44] <bmonty> ajmitch: if you are going to demo gobby, I'd like to try it also
[02:44] <ryanakca> TheMuso: an error... http://pastebin.ca/65689
[02:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, I think it might be up
[02:44] <ajmitch> bmonty: ok..
[02:45] <ajmitch> so connect to ajmitch.dyndns.org
[02:45] <LaserJock> lets have a group edit of BddebianIsAGod :-)
[02:45] <ajmitch> hah
[02:45] <bddebian> Yeah, please erase it
[02:45] <TheMuso> ryanakca: I dunno.
[02:46] <ajmitch> default gobby port should be fine
[02:46] <ajmitch> (6522)
[02:46] <bmonty> ajmitch: password?
[02:46] <ajmitch> netauth
[02:46] <TheMuso> Do you guys mind waiting for me?
[02:46] <TheMuso> Just setting things up here on my lappy with speech to see how things go.
[02:48] <LaserJock> ajmitch: with somebody else?
[02:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[02:50] <ryanakca> Can I change the maintainer in the control file to me, since the original maintainer hasn't touched it for over a year, despite some new releases?
[02:50] <LaserJock> sorry, maybe I should talk over here
[02:50] <TheMuso> sure
[02:51] <LaserJock> jeeze, now they are going over my head
[02:51] <bmonty> gobby is pretty cool stuff
[02:51] <LaserJock> how does saving work though?
[02:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: saves are done to your local disk
[02:52] <LaserJock> ah
[02:53] <LaserJock> and it saves what is currently there? what happens if 2 people edit the same thing?
[02:54] <TheMuso> Meh. FOr some reason gobby doesn't want to run. Gotta work that out.
[02:54] <ajmitch> it's 1 editing session
[02:56] <LaserJock> ok, I'm heading home, thanks for the demo ajmitch
[02:56] <TheMuso> I'll bet that gobby doesn't like GTK accessibility enabled.
[02:56] <TheMuso> Lets try it without.
[02:56] <ajmitch> see you later, LaserJock
[02:57] <bddebian> Later LaserJock
[02:57] <TheMuso> Damn damn damn damn damn!!!
[02:57] <TheMuso> Anybody feel like helping me with a bug hunt who knows GTK2/GNOME stuff? :)
[03:01] <ajmitch> bddebian will
[03:01] <bddebian> Nope, according to LaserJock, I don't belong here
[03:01] <bmonty> ajmitch: did you get the info I left you about LDAP TLS/SASL binds on amd64?
[03:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: I can't recall
[03:02] <ajmitch> tell me again, I'm running amd64 here
[03:02] <bmonty> I run SASL/TLS binds for my server, it works great with my 386 hardware but dies on my amd64
[03:02] <bmonty> the error message is of course useless
[03:02] <ajmitch> dies on the client side, or server?
[03:03] <ajmitch> ie, does it work for an i386 client to the amd64 box?
[03:03] <bmonty> SASL without TLS works great though, but authentication info is set in the clear
[03:03] <ajmitch> I haven't setup SASL/TLS properly yet, so I haven't run into it
[03:03] <bmonty> it works for i386 client to i386 server, fails with amd64 client to server
[03:03] <bmonty> i386 server
[03:03] <ajmitch> ok
[03:04] <bmonty> it is your plan to have SASL/TLS binds, right?
[03:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:04] <ajmitch> I wonder if a new upstream version will exhibit the same behaviour
[03:05] <bmonty> I did some quick googling to see if I could find any issues with libsasl on amd64 but I couldn't find anything
[03:06] <ajmitch> you think the bug is in libsasl?
[03:06] <bmonty> yes
[03:07] <bmonty> I get an error that the host isn't found
[03:07] <ajmitch> hm
[03:07] <ajmitch> odd
[03:07] <bmonty> but I can see the tcp handshake in ethereal
[03:07] <ajmitch> I'll be back in a few minutes..
[03:07] <bmonty> and then the client sends FIN
[03:09] <ajmitch> strange
[03:10] <ajmitch> I'll try & reproduce it here
[03:10] <ajmitch> filed a bug?
[03:14] <bmonty> ajmitch: i haven't filed a bug yet
[03:14] <ajmitch> might be a good idea to
[03:14] <bmonty> launchpad or upstream?
[03:15] <ajmitch> both, link the launchpad bug to upstream
[03:15] <bmonty> were you able to test that URL to my bzr repo?
[03:15] <ajmitch> will do now
[03:16] <ajmitch> sigh, I'll probably have to replace a monitor or two soon
[03:16] <ajmitch> :1:> bzr branch http://www.montynet.org/bazaar/kerberos-manager/
[03:16] <ajmitch> bzr: ERROR: http error 302 probing for https://www.montynet.org/error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var
[03:16] <ajmitch> probably the http->https stuff you've got going on
[03:16] <bmonty> hmmm\
[03:17] <bmonty> ok, thanks
[03:21] <bddebian> Damn, someone wake up crimsun_ :-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> why?
[03:22] <ajmitch> you need some more worship?
[03:23] <bddebian> He was going to look at a package for me
[03:23] <ajmitch> hi nictuku
[03:23] <ajmitch> how's the NWU stuff going?
[03:23] <nictuku> hi ajmitch
[03:24] <bddebian> NWU?
[03:24] <nictuku> ajmitch, freezed for a few weeks, but I'm back on it. I just created mailing lists for it, by the way
[03:24] <ajmitch> cool
[03:25] <nictuku> and moved the hosting from a canonical sponsored machine to one I administer myself
[03:25] <ajmitch> why is that?
[03:26] <nictuku> bddebian, http://cetico.org/nwu
[03:26] <crimsun_> bddebian: eh?
[03:27] <crimsun_> bddebian: (I'm prepping a presentation for Friday, so I'm a bit busy)
[03:27] <bddebian> crimsun_: Did you happen to get a chance to look at that at all?  Oh, nevermind
[03:27] <ajmitch> crimsun_: the deity has requested your presence...
[03:27] <bddebian> nictuku: Ah, cool
[03:28] <ryanakca> TheMuso: Oh Yeah! I finally made that package!
[03:28] <bddebian> hehe
[03:28] <bddebian> congrats ryanakca
[03:28] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Congratulations.
[03:28] <TheMuso> What did you have to do to get that fixed up?
[03:28] <nictuku> ajmitch, the guy administering the "ubuntu-br" machine is very busy. I started having problems with infrastructure, like lack of backup etc.
[03:29] <ryanakca> play with the Makefile...
[03:29] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:29] <ryanakca> rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Makefile
[03:30] <TheMuso> tah
[03:31] <ryanakca> to upload a package to REVU, what do you do?
[03:31] <ryanakca> I allready sent the email...
[03:31] <ryanakca> and I got a reply...
[03:31] <ryanakca> I just need to upload :)
[03:31] <TheMuso> One thing you might want to do is remove any extra slashes. For example the etc/typespeedrc lines.
[03:32] <TheMuso> THey have 2 slashes in them.
[03:32] <TheMuso> You only need one between the DESTDIR varilable and etc.
[03:32] <ryanakca> I thought they were supposed to have thoses...
[03:32] <TheMuso> You only need one.
[03:32] <ryanakca> kk
[03:32] <TheMuso> So echo ${WORDFILES} > $(DESTDIR)//etc/typespeedrc
[03:32] <TheMuso> SHould be echo ${WORDFILES} > $(DESTDIR)/etc/typespeedrc
[03:33] <TheMuso> ryanakca: Did you follow the revu page on the wiki?
[03:33] <ryanakca> kk, done that
[03:33] <TheMuso> There is a page to tell you what to do to upload to revu.
[03:34] <ryanakca> "dput -P *_source.changes" ... what about dput -P *.dsc   or        dput -P *.deb      ?
[03:34] <TheMuso> Did you read the page?
[03:35] <ryanakca> I'm reading it...
[03:35] <TheMuso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[03:37] <ryanakca> theres no "*_source.changes" files... just "*.changes"... and yes, I ran debuild -S -sa...
[03:38] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:38] <Toadstool> re
[03:39] <bmonty> ajmitch: looks like our sasl is a couple revs old....debian is behind also
[03:39] <bddebian> bmonty: So fix it ;-)
[03:40] <bmonty> bddebian:  I just might do that
[03:43] <bddebian> :-)
[03:43] <bmonty> ajmitch: malone 49871
[03:43] <bmonty> ajmitch: malone 49781
[03:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49781 in cyrus-sasl2 "SASL/TLS LDAP binds fail on amd64" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49781
[03:46] <bmonty> damn that package has almost 30 patches in it :(
[03:47] <bddebian> Heh, check out qt-x11-free
[03:47] <bmonty> how many?
[03:47] <bddebian> 48
[03:47] <bddebian> last I saw
[03:59] <Kyral> why do I do stupid things like subscribe to the PHP Users ML?
[04:00] <Lathiat> i did that once
[04:00] <Lathiat> 2 years ago
[04:00] <Lathiat> i couldnt read all of it if i tried
[04:00] <Kyral> Oh I have done worse
[04:00] <Kyral> I subscribed to LKML :P
[04:00] <Lathiat> heh
[04:01] <Kyral> I actually do read some of the threads
[04:16] <Toadstool> 'night
[04:16] <bmonty> bye Toadstool
[04:17] <Toadstool> bye bmonty
[04:27] <Kyral> someone stop me from subscribing to more MLs....
[04:28] <TheMuso> Kyral: Stop subscribing to more mailing lists NOW DAMN IT! :)
[04:28] <Kyral> I just subscribed to the PHP-Announce, the PHP-Users, the Apache-Users, the Perl Beginners, and the Perl FAQ A Day list
[04:29] <bddebian> Kyral: Dude, that is just plain insane
[04:29] <bddebian> wb LaserJock
[04:29] <Kyral> I'm already on most of the Ubuntu ones
[04:29] <Kyral> and the LKML
[04:29] <jsgotangco> thank goodness for 2GB+ free email ;)
[04:29] <Kyral> Bingo :P
[04:30] <Kyral> Or running your own mailserver
[04:30] <LaserJock> ok, I got Team Speak installed and gobby
[04:30] <LaserJock> and I got a head set at Walmart
[04:30] <Kyral> and downloading the emails every 10 mins or so :P
[04:30] <Erlang> I have a big mailing list backlog.
[04:31] <Kyral> ..crap
[04:31] <Kyral> I wound up double subscribed to PHP-General
[04:31] <bddebian> Damn, I can't even keep up with just #ubuntu-devel
[04:32] <TheMuso> Ubuntu-devel is fine.
[04:32] <TheMuso> Thats nothing compared to how I remember ubuntu-users was.
[04:32] <Erlang> it's too bad I hate akregator because I'd use RSS more.
[04:35] <Kyral> Its NOTHING compared to LKML :P
[04:42] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[04:44] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty_away
[05:11] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee
[05:11] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:19] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[05:19] <Hobbsee> i survived my first uni exam, even with only three hours of sleep :)
[05:19] <LaserJock> \o/
[05:19] <crimsun_> hooray
[05:20] <LaserJock> the first of many, I expect :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, probably
[05:29] <imbrandon_> heya LaserJock and Hobbsee
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon_ ;0
[05:29] <Hobbsee> * :)
[05:30] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon_
[05:32] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon_
[05:32] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian
[05:33] <LaserJock> dang, how do I test if a microphone works?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: IM someone with it?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> voice chat?
[05:33] <imbrandon_> audacity ?
[05:34] <crimsun_> ``gstreamer-properties''
[05:34] <imbrandon_> sound recorder
[05:34] <crimsun_> click Test in the audio source
[05:34] <LaserJock> crimsun_: ah
[05:34] <imbrandon_> heya crimsun_
[05:34] <crimsun_> or ``arecord -fcd /dev/null''
[05:34] <crimsun_> hi imbrandon_
[05:36] <LaserJock> hmm, well I still don't know how I can tell if it worked or not
[05:37] <LaserJock> the headphone part works fine
[05:37] <LaserJock> but I can't get anything out of sound recorder, at least I don't think
[05:42] <LaserJock> bah, I hate sound
[05:43] <crimsun_> LaserJock: x-terminal-emulator -e 'alsamixer'
[05:43] <crimsun_> press F4
[05:43] <crimsun_> what's highlighted?
[05:44] <LaserJock> Line?
[05:46] <LaserJock> crimsun_: but Line, CD, and Mic are all 0 or something
[05:47] <crimsun_> well, I presume you're trying to use 'Mic', so move (arrow keys) to 'Mic', and select it using the space bar
[05:47] <crimsun_> make sure it's unmuted, too
[05:47] <crimsun_> furthermore, increase its level
[05:47] <LaserJock> how do I unmute it?
[05:47] <crimsun_> 'm'
[05:47] <crimsun_> if it's muted, it'll have MM at the bottom
[05:48] <LaserJock> I don't have any MM at the bottom and "m" doesn't do anything
[05:49] <LaserJock> infact nothing seems to do anything
[05:49] <crimsun_> good
[05:49] <crimsun_> now press F3 and move to the 'Capture' element
[05:49] <crimsun_> make sure that's unmuted and set to a non-zero level
[05:50] <crimsun_> let's see what other cruft you have to set
[05:50] <crimsun_> ``asoundconf list''
[05:50] <LaserJock> I don't see a "Capture"
[05:50] <crimsun_> mmkay.
[05:50] <crimsun_> what's the output from the above command?
[05:51] <bddebian> do be do be dooo
[05:53] <LaserJock> IXP
[05:53] <LaserJock> Modem
[05:53] <crimsun_> and ``cat ~/.asoundrc*'' ?
[05:54] <crimsun_> (it's ok if you don't have one/any)
[05:54] <LaserJock> No such file or directory
[05:54] <crimsun_> ok, ``amixer'' -> pastebin
[05:55] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15745
[05:55] <LaserJock> I gotta take out the trash brb
[05:56] <bddebian> "Take out the papers and the trash"..
[05:56] <bddebian> "Or you don't get no spending cash"..
[05:58] <crimsun_> LaserJock: amixer set 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' on
[05:59] <LaserJock> k
[06:00] <crimsun_> also, amixer set 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' 0
[06:00] <crimsun_> and finally, amixer set 'Capture' on
[06:00] <crimsun_> some of the atiixps need 'Mix' unmuted, too, but you should try it as-is for now
[06:02] <LaserJock> sorry bout that, the sys admin just sent a message the the dep. server was going down for 1/2 hr
[06:02] <LaserJock> crimsun_: ok, last thing I did was amixer set 'Capture' on
[06:02] <LaserJock> now test?
[06:02] <crimsun_> LaserJock: yes
[06:07] <LaserJock> bah, Sound Recorder isn't helping me much
[06:07] <ajmitch> since it'll open "any day now"
[06:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just blame someone else
[06:07] <ajmitch> oh dear
[06:07] <ajmitch> never blame him
[06:07] <ajmitch> not if you want to live
[06:07] <ajmitch> yay, what fun
[06:08] <ajmitch> next devel team meeting is at 1400UTC
[06:08] <ajmitch> ie, 2AM NZST
[06:08] <crimsun_> LaserJock: you can try the other mux.  amixer set 'Mic Select' 'Mic2'
[06:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, he is the one that sent the email
[06:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: which email?
[06:08] <ajmitch> one that only special people get?
[06:09] <crimsun_> I think so
[06:09] <ajmitch> must be
[06:10] <LaserJock> yeah, we are using Team Speak for VoIP
[06:10] <ajmitch> so I heard in here
[06:10] <LaserJock> so I got a headset on the way home
[06:10] <LaserJock> crimsun_: still no go
[06:10] <ajmitch> I'll have to match my sleeping patterns to paris time :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> heh, isn't it already?
[06:11] <crimsun_> LaserJock: switch back to 'Mic1', and unmute 'Mix'
[06:11] <ajmitch> not quite
[06:11] <ajmitch> I went to bed a bit early this morning for that
[06:11] <crimsun_> LaserJock: if that doesn't work, then switch to 'Mic2' (leaving 'Mix' unmuted)
[06:12] <LaserJock> how do i unmut 'Mix' ?
[06:12] <crimsun_> amixer set 'Mix' on
[06:12] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why not?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> been telling someone how to get his wireless card working...
[06:13] <ajmitch> fun
[06:13] <Hobbsee> stupid netgear
[06:15] <LaserJock> nothing :(
[06:15] <LaserJock> maybe I should test it in windows real quick to make sure it really does work
[06:15] <crimsun_> LaserJock: what are you using, sound recorder or arecord -fcd /dev/null ?
[06:15] <LaserJock> sound recorder
[06:16] <bddebian> Hobbsee: If you really are interested, you are free to check them out.  They are here:  http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/
[06:16] <ajmitch> I suppose I should get a cheap headset as well
[06:16] <bddebian> You will need attal and attal-themes-medieval
[06:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: so are you going to review my packages for edgy?
[06:17] <bddebian> For what purpose, I don't know anything
[06:18] <LaserJock> crimsun_: how do I know it works with arecord?
[06:18] <crimsun_> start arecord using the command line above, and if you can hear yourself...
[06:18] <LaserJock> oh
[06:20] <crimsun_> ah, GPIO madness
[06:20] <Hobbsee> bddebian: so you can tell him all the places he went wrong :P
[06:20] <crimsun_> recording works for some, doesn't work for others
[06:20] <crimsun_> yay!
[06:20] <LaserJock> crimsun_: nothing, tried Mic1 and Mic2
[06:20] <crimsun_> LaserJock: pastebin ``lspci -nv''
[06:21] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15746
[06:22] <LaserJock> jeeze, how can you get anything out of that
[06:23] <jsgotangco> heh! teamspeak preparations!
[06:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: trying, I can't get my mic to work
[06:23] <crimsun_> LaserJock: finally, pastebin the contents of /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/*reg*
[06:25] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747
[06:26] <LaserJock> am I toast?
[06:27] <crimsun_> I wonder if you need to jiggle the misc bit
[06:29] <LaserJock> jiggle the wha?
[06:30] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: that usually doesn't work very well
[06:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: sure it does.  it does with the gadget at work too, unless you accidently hit the sequence of buttons that reboots it.
[06:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: this is why you never let Hobbsee near your laptop
[06:31] <LaserJock> yeah, or my phone
[06:31] <crimsun_> LaserJock: echo "7a 6000" |sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0+regs
[06:31] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'm going to leave it in NZ :P
[06:32] <LaserJock> bah, no such device
[06:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what, and be without a computer for 2 weeks?  i'd like to see you try!
[06:32] <ajmitch> easy
[06:32] <crimsun_> LaserJock: you need to substitute the correct filename in /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/*reg*
[06:32] <LaserJock> doh, sorry
[06:33] <crimsun_> ah crap, we don't have that option enabled anyway.
[06:33] <LaserJock> umm, still
[06:33] <LaserJock> no such device
[06:33] <LaserJock> weird
[06:33] <crimsun_> yeah, it requires you have CONFIG_SND_DEBUG enabled in the kernel.
[06:34] <crimsun_> # CONFIG_SND_DEBUG is not set
[06:36] <LaserJock> I'm going to have to rebuild my kernel to get my stupid mic to wrk?
[06:36] <jsgotangco> hmm stupid question, how do you turn on the mic in alsamixer?
[06:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: isn't that the glory of the Linux Desktop?
[06:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: think they'd mind if I did the summit in Windows? :-)
[06:36] <ajmitch> probably not much
[06:37] <crimsun_> LaserJock: ok, maybe you have funky hardware. Try: amixer set 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA' 1
[06:37] <crimsun_> (which is what you originally had, but that's normally wrong)
[06:37] <crimsun_> and no, alsa's modularised; you'd only have to recompile your sound driver :)
[06:38] <LaserJock> bah nothing
[06:38] <crimsun_> great, I proclaim your fiddle quite useless
[06:38] <LaserJock> brb
[06:41] <jsgotangco> oh im inside the server
[06:41] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:41] <jsgotangco> im the only one inside
[06:41] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: which server is this?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com
[06:42] <ajmitch> ah, secret servers
[06:43] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:43] <jsgotangco> i just dont know if my setup works though
[06:44] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:47] <LaserJock> am I still here?
[06:48] <crimsun_> (yes)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: quite possibly
[06:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no
[06:48] <LaserJock> k, I switched over to Windows for a sec
[06:48] <jsgotangco> hmm is this running on wine?
[06:48] <LaserJock> crimsun_: it worked in Windows after I turned on the Mic boost
[06:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: no
[06:48] <LaserJock> on my laptop
[06:49] <jsgotangco> no i mean the teamspeak client itself heh
[06:49] <crimsun_> LaserJock: now if only we could poke the ac97 registers from within Windows, eh?
[06:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: no, Linux
[06:51] <LaserJock> crimsun_: how do I check if the mic boost is on?
[06:52] <crimsun_> LaserJock: from within Linux?
[06:52] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:53] <crimsun_> just amixer get 'Mic Boost (+20dB)'
[06:54] <crimsun_> I'm pretty sure I asked you to turn it on (unmute it)...
[06:54] <LaserJock> yeah, I just wanted to check
[06:57] <LaserJock> I GOT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:58] <crimsun_> I'm going to stab someone if it was Headphones or anything related to Mix.
[06:58] <LaserJock> I did it in the Volume Control
[06:58] <crimsun_> what's the amixer output now?
[07:06] <LaserJock> ack, how do I get that again, I don't have my backlog
[07:07] <crimsun_> ``amixer''
[07:10] <LaserJock> looks like "external amplifier" was a key
[07:11] <LaserJock> that and turning up the volume enought to hear myself
[07:11] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15751
[07:12] <ajmitch> great
[07:12] <ajmitch> so soon we'll be able to hear everyone talking away
[07:12] <LaserJock> arggg
[07:12] <LaserJock> I really wish it wouldn't work now ;-)
[07:12] <ajmitch> aw, why not?
[07:13] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you on?
[07:14] <LaserJock> ok, I'm going to bed
[07:14] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:14] <Hobbsee> night LaserJock
[07:14] <crimsun_> LaserJock: EA couldn't have affected it
[07:14] <crimsun_> (the values are identical)
[07:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: downloaded teamspeak? :)
[07:14] <LaserJock> really? when I flip it on and off it works and doesn't
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i havent yet, why do you ask?
[07:15] <crimsun_> LaserJock: your pastes before rebooting into Windows have EA unmuted
[07:15] <LaserJock> crimsun_: anyway, what is the best way to save these settings so that in the future I can get it to work
[07:15] <ajmitch> so that you can participate in the grand motu meetup via teamspeak? :)
[07:15] <LaserJock> crimsun_: it could have been working but turned down low enough that I couldn't hear that I was on
[07:15] <crimsun_> LaserJock: they're saved when you reboot gracefully. To force it to save now, ``sudo alsactl store''
[07:16] <crimsun_> LaserJock: yeah, I /highly/ doubt it was EA. I think it was a PEBKAC. =] 
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: tempting...tempting...except that i'm female and aussie, so will sound weird :P
[07:16] <LaserJock> crimsun_: does that go to a file somewere that I can back up in case I reinstall or something
[07:16] <crimsun_> LaserJock: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:16] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: that's be fun to hear
[07:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe
[07:16] <LaserJock> * that'd
[07:16] <Hobbsee> i'll bet
[07:16] <Hobbsee> can i listen, and not talk?
[07:17] <ajmitch> sure
[07:17] <ajmitch> that's what I plan to do
[07:17] <ajmitch> since I don't have a microphone...
[07:17] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:18] <LaserJock> crimsun_: hmm, as soon as I turn External Amplifier off it is dead as a door nail
[07:18] <LaserJock> I can turn Mic Boost on and I can still hear it working
[07:19] <LaserJock> well, whatever. Ext. Amp. is the only thing that just turns it off
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: was there some guide for it that i've missed in the chat, or is it a case of download and install?
[07:20] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: at least there shouldn't be *too* many going 'OMG its a girl!!'
[07:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:20] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: download & install, I think
[07:20] <ajmitch> but there couldn't possibly be a girl developer!
[07:20] <Hobbsee> mum's asleep with a migraine - it might be a dodgy idea to wake her up
[07:20] <LaserJock> ajmitch: specially since there have been women there before
[07:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there'll be lots more people listening in, I think
[07:21] <ajmitch> I hope it doesn't turn to chaos
[07:21] <crimsun_> LaserJock: that's the point.
[07:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: would she wake up that easily?
[07:22] <crimsun_> LaserJock: EA is /supposed/ to act as a sort of 'Master' (since not all codecs have that), but again, it's hit n' miss...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm not sure...i'm not sure where the mic is either - i think it's hidden in the deep dark depths of the study
[07:22] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[07:23] <LaserJock> crimsun_: well whatever, we got it to work, thanks bunches for helping me out. I'm quite dumb when it comes to sound
[07:23] <crimsun_> np
[07:23] <LaserJock> usually I couldn't care less if it worked :-)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: we'll see :)
[07:23] <ajmitch> s/see/hear/
[07:24] <ajmitch> night again LaserJock
[07:24] <LaserJock> heh
[07:27] <ajmitch> what an ugly program
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah!  that's what i was thinking
[07:27] <Hobbsee> looks like i'm in
[07:27] <ajmitch> you are
[07:28] <ajmitch> so dig up a microphone
[07:29] <ajmitch> not that I have one...
[07:30] <Hobbsee> er...why wont my speakers be unmuted?
[07:30] <ajmitch> because you've got something using /dev/dsp?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> probably arts or something...
[07:32] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:32] <jsgotangco> let me try
[07:32] <jsgotangco> i dunno if my mic works
[07:32] <ajmitch> I heard something quietly
[07:33] <ajmitch> unintelligible, mostly
[07:33] <jsgotangco> i only heard a hum
[07:33] <ajmitch> was it 'mic test', that you said?
[07:33] <ajmitch> bye Hobbsee
[07:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:34] <ajmitch> I love how it calls everyone 'player'
[07:34] <jsgotangco> new player
[07:34] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:34] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[07:34] <ajmitch> haha
[07:34] <ajmitch> that worked
[07:34] <Hobbsee> dammit.  guess i'd better search for a mic now...
[07:35] <ajmitch> you didn't hear jsgotangco?
[07:35] <jsgotangco> so i guess im the only guy with a mic?
[07:35] <ajmitch> I have one that may or may not work
[07:36] <jsgotangco> i dunno if mine works, xfce doesn't have that much sound options by default
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: my mic/headphones werent working then
[07:36] <ajmitch> well I've heard jsgotangco say 'hi sarah'
[07:36] <jsgotangco> "Sorry for my Teamspeak"
[07:36] <Hobbsee> i didnt hear anything...hmmm...
[07:36] <jsgotangco> wtf is that welcome message about heh
[07:36] <jsgotangco> it doesnt even make sesnse if its the default
[07:38] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: mic settings seem fine - you're audible, at least
[07:39] <ajmitch> my microphone seems pretty broken, will have to get a new one
[07:39] <ajmitch> hm, maybe not
[07:39] <jsgotangco> hmm wonder if i could use a bluetooth headset
[07:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're in luck.
[07:42] <jsgotangco> come on can someone with a mic join too heh
[07:43] <jsgotangco> "new player"
[07:43] <ajmitch> haha
[07:43] <Hobbsee> uh oh...am i live?
[07:44] <ajmitch> I'm guessing you're not hearing my voice, then? :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> no
[07:44] <jsgotangco> no
[07:45] <ajmitch> hm
[07:45] <ajmitch> ubuntu radio, live from jsgotangco ...
[07:46] <jsgotangco> jeezz don't blow the mic
[07:47] <ajmitch> haha
[07:47] <Hobbsee> okay, sound's gone fishing...
[07:47] <ajmitch> the wiring must be broken
[07:47] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you broke it?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> i dont know...
[07:48] <Hobbsee> i think teamspeak did
[07:48] <ajmitch> :P
[07:50] <jsgotangco> ummm
[07:50] <jsgotangco> stop playing 80s mucis
[07:50] <ajmitch> :)
[07:50] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:51] <TheMuso> There isn't a CLI version of teamspeak is there?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> no i dont thik so, its not even open source
[07:51] <jsgotangco> Queen?
[07:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:51] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: I didn't think so.
[07:52] <TheMuso> Looks like I won't be able to participate in VOIP or gobby stuff at this stage.
[07:52] <jsgotangco> its faint but my place is a bit noisy too
[07:52] <ajmitch> no gobby either?
[07:52] <ajmitch> welcome back, Hobbsee
[07:52] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Crashes when you try to run it with accessibility turned on in GNOME.
[07:52] <jsgotangco> ouch
[07:52] <ajmitch> file a bug!
[07:52] <TheMuso> Have done so.
[07:52] <ajmitch> get it fixed asap! :)
[07:52] <ajmitch> just in malone?
[07:53] <TheMuso> Yep.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> thanks ajmitch
[07:53] <ajmitch> have you informed upstream?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right, i have sound again...
[07:53] <TheMuso> ajmitch: No because they are working on an unstable branc which is not backwards compatible.
[07:53] <TheMuso> branch even
[07:53] <ajmitch> wonderful
[07:53] <TheMuso> I haven't looked into filing one against 0.3 yet
[07:54] <jsgotangco> ok Hobbsee start singing
[07:54] <ajmitch> sounds like we have a hobbsee back on teamspeak
[07:54] <Hobbsee> still got trouble here
[07:54] <Hobbsee> did you hear me before, or is the mic buggered as well?
[07:54] <ajmitch> called KDE?
[07:54] <ajmitch> no, we haven't heard your voice yet
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ok
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i heard something but its probably hardware
[07:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: did you hear me, or not?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nope
[07:55] <Hobbsee> everything's muted again
[07:55] <ajmitch> excellent
[07:57] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[07:57] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: want to speak?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> "link engaged"
[07:58] <Hobbsee> all right, someone say something
[07:59] <Hobbsee> something's making noise :P
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hello to whoever that was :P
[07:59] <TheMuso> Uhh ok. The bug tracker for gobby decides to think that my bug is a spam attempt.
[08:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you have no microphone working?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: trying to get it to work
[08:00] <Hobbsee> is there any way to test if a mic is working?
[08:01] <TheMuso> Looks like I won't be able to use the launchpad bug URL I am guessing.
[08:01] <TheMuso> Gar!
[08:01] <Hobbsee> guess that's what they were going thru before
[08:01] <TheMuso> Looks like they aren't getting my bug then.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> i am speaking, you just cant hear me...
[08:03] <ajmitch> :P
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: take your fingers out of your ears, mate!  :P
[08:04] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: huh?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> all right all right...who's who on this thing :P
[08:04] <jsgotangco> but you can hear us the right?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:04] <ajmitch> good
[08:05] <Hobbsee> blastoff!
[08:06] <jsgotangco> dracula?
[08:06] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:06] <ajmitch> bach...
[08:07] <Hobbsee> i am speaking, can you hear me?
[08:07] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[08:07] <Hobbsee> drat.  where's crimsun_ when you need him?
[08:07] <ajmitch> :)
[08:07] <crimsun_> ?
[08:07] <ajmitch> crimsun_!
[08:08] <crimsun_> this nick highlight thing is borked, since I totally didn't get a highlight there
[08:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: how does one go about debugging mics?
[08:09] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: hmm, I'm an alsamixer user, so I can only guess at what kmix does
[08:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: i've got alsamixer here...
[08:10] <jsgotangco> blame KDE lol
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:10] <crimsun_> using either (shouldn't matter), you should unmute 'Mic' and 'Mic Boost*', and make sure you increase 'Mic' to about 80%
[08:11] <Hobbsee> how do i know if i'm using mic one or two?
[08:11] <crimsun_> Mic2's usually on the rear panel
[08:11] <crimsun_> well, rephrase
[08:11] <jsgotangco> i jsut heard an echo
[08:11] <crimsun_> Mic1 is usually the most readily accessible
[08:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:12] <TheMuso> Bah. All you lucky people being able to use TeamSpeak.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[08:12] <TheMuso> Not fair. :)
[08:12] <TheMuso> I wish they chose something else for the conference.
[08:12] <crimsun_> so both those need to be unmuted, and 'Mic' set to something like 80%+
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah i think elmo chose something that could be centralised instead of having a 3rd party server
[08:12] <Hobbsee> can someone say something again?  not sure if i've lost my sound again...
[08:13] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:13] <Hobbsee> thanks jsgotangco
[08:13] <crimsun_> then press F4 to switch to the Capture perspective, make sure 'Mic' has CAPTUR (in red), then scroll to 'Capture', make sure it too has CAPTUR in red (if not, toggle it with spacebar), and increase the 'Capture' level to 80%+
[08:14] <crimsun_> I can't even use TS, cos this place firewalls everything
[08:14] <ajmitch> how annoying
[08:14] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: I know, but it is still a pain in the rear end.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> yeah yeah...
[08:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:15] <TheMuso> I have been thinking of how I could participate in the VOIP side, but haven't been able to think of anything.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> can i be heard at all now?  i'm showing green...
[08:15] <jsgotangco> meh who's fiddling with hardware
[08:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I hear nothing
[08:15] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: me
[08:16] <jsgotangco> i heard it
[08:16] <Hobbsee> it's all my fault :P
[08:16] <jsgotangco> but speak!
[08:16] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: possibly my laptop
[08:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it may well be me...
[08:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: thanks, the capture wasnt up
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:17] <ajmitch> we still haven't heard you...
[08:17] <Hobbsee> mm ok
[08:18] <jsgotangco> ouuuuuuuuuchhhhhhhhhh
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yay
[08:18] <Hobbsee> too loud?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:18] <jsgotangco> i think the mic is too loud
[08:18] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yeah, i ran it full bore...
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i didnt understand anything lol
[08:19] <Hobbsee> dont worry, i'm not understandable :P
[08:20] <jsgotangco> thats a pretty bad mic i'd say
[08:20] <jsgotangco> arrghh
[08:21] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: who's?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> and then it went silent....
[08:23] <TheMuso> Is it possible to run teamspeak without push to talk?
[08:23] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes
[08:23] <TheMuso> Hmmm
[08:23] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes, but it needs bits of tweaking
[08:23] <Hobbsee> otherwise there's a fair bit of static
[08:23] <jsgotangco> but itll just make a lot of hum/noise
[08:24] <TheMuso> mmm. Just thinking about how I could participate in the summit VOIP stuff.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: in the early hours of the morning?
[08:25] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I will be over there.
[08:25] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: he's one of the lucky few
[08:25] <Hobbsee> oh
[08:25] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: there's also voice activation
[08:25] <Hobbsee> i see, i see...
[08:25] <TheMuso> Its the problem of getting connected and running in the first damn place.
[08:26] <ajmitch> well, about time for me to head off
[08:26] <Hobbsee> it didnt seem *that* hard - with the help of crimsun :)
[08:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee is making a bit of noise there...
[08:27] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its not that. SOund setup is easy. Is the accessibility of the app.
[08:27] <TheMuso> I have some sight, and on my monitor here I could get it set up quite ok. But on a notebook, it is another story.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: attempting to say goodbye, yes :P
[08:27] <jsgotangco> yeah i dont think it has options for such
[08:27] <Hobbsee> true
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> ok I need sleep
[08:28] <jsgotangco> it doesnt help that teamspeak was created for online gaming
[08:28] <jsgotangco> "player left"
[08:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:28] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[08:29] <TheMuso> And there is no shortcut key to even connect/disconnect.
[08:29] <TheMuso> Those coders need some usability lessons.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> of course - one lesson for this - no one talk at the same time!
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ah yeah
[08:30] <imbrandon_> ventrello would be better for developers
[08:30] <imbrandon_> ;)
[08:30] <crimsun_> ventrillo, isn't it?
[08:30] <imbrandon_> err yea
[08:30] <imbrandon_> vent ;)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping
[08:31] <imbrandon_> pong
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: philippines
[08:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: system settings, click "enable sound system"
[08:31] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: ahhhh...
[08:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ie, disable it
[08:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: then hit apply, and reconnect
[08:32] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:32] <crimsun_> I think I'd better make a wiki page for this before core-dev jumps at me
[08:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: good idea hehe
[08:32] <imbrandon_> huh?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> use it with alsamixer - anyone can run that
[08:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: huh to which bit?
[08:32] <imbrandon_> system settings in ts ?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: no, as in, system settings, where appearance and all that is...
[08:33] <imbrandon_> ooooooooooohh
[08:33] <imbrandon_> lol
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hit the sound and multimedia, then untick the enable kde sound system
[08:33] <Hobbsee> then d/c from ts and reconnect
[08:33] <crimsun_> well, you can use any mixer as long as those elements are fiddled with
[08:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: true, but it's simpler in alsamixer
[08:34] <Hobbsee> do them all if you really want :P
[08:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yay!
[08:35] <Hobbsee> lol!
[08:35] <imbrandon_> lol
[08:35] <Hobbsee> bleh. too bad about waking others up :P
[08:36] <imbrandon_> lol
[08:36] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: go for it
[08:36] <ajmitch> might as well
[08:36] <ajmitch> (I'm not quite gone yet) ;)
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe i was about to say that...
[08:36] <imbrandon_> who is the server admin , they should let us reg nic's and make a -motu chan etc passwd protected
[08:36] <Hobbsee> you look like you're here :P
[08:36] <ajmitch> I'm off in ~10 minutes
[08:36] <crimsun_> I'd totally do it if I could find an intuitive way to tunnel udp. I suppose openvpn...
[08:36] <Hobbsee> ok
[08:37] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yay!
[08:38] <TheMuso> Twill be a bit yet guys.
[08:38] <ajmitch> heh
[08:41] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: you're dropping out a bit...
[08:41] <Hobbsee> this sounds so *weird*!
[08:41] <TheMuso> Ok. How do you configure your push to talk key, and the sound for teamspeak?
[08:42] <imbrandon_> lol yea
[08:42] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: Settings -> Sound Input/Output Settings
[08:42] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: see what crimsun said above about the mic stuff, and you've got to kill artsd/whichever other sound server
[08:42] <imbrandon_> hearing is diff that typing huh ?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, just a bit
[08:42] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:42] <imbrandon_> i'm used to it becosue we use it alot where i worked before
[08:42] <TheMuso> Well I am using a machine that has three sound cards in it.
[08:42] <ajmitch> it's like 'ZOMG itz a gurl!!!!1'
[08:42] <ajmitch> ;)
[08:42] <TheMuso> SO can I set up which card to use for example?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:43] <TheMuso> And what did crimsun_ state?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i was just thinking...if certain people get on there and make certain comments...well, they might get me yelling at them...
[08:43] <ajmitch> I'd better leave quickly
[08:43] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'll be nice :)
[08:43] <ajmitch> right, now I'm really off to choir practice ;)
[08:44] <crimsun_> TheMuso: you can use a different card, yes, but TS is oss, so you'll have to use the oss devices
[08:45] <crimsun_> your primary alsa card0 is /dev/dsp, your secondary card1 is /dev/dsp1, your tertiary card2 is /dev/dsp2, ...
[08:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: enjoy :)
[08:45] <crimsun_> TheMuso: Settings> Options> Sound Devices> Other> ...
[08:45] <TheMuso> crimsun_: Yeah I know about the oss stuff.
[08:45] <TheMuso> And I found it.
[08:46] <crimsun_> TheMuso: the rest of the stuff was about adjusting $mixer levels; unmute both 'Mic' and 'Mic Boost'; set 'Mic' to an appropriate level; select 'Capture' and set it to an appropriate level
[08:48] <TheMuso> How does one set the key for talking?
[08:48] <crimsun_> ah, so you have the wonderful envy24control.
[08:48] <TheMuso> Indeed.
[08:48] <TheMuso> None of that capture bullshit. :)
[08:48] <crimsun_> hehe
[08:49] <crimsun_> Settings> Sound Input/Output Settings> Voice Send Method> Push to talk> Set
[08:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you can have a dep of firefox|mozilla for that
[08:49] <imbrandon_> yea but currently its just mozilla
[08:49] <Hobbsee> true
[08:49] <imbrandon_> kinda sucks
[08:49] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:50] <TheMuso> Ok. What server is everybody on?
[08:51] <imbrandon_> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com
[08:53] <TheMuso> Is there a server password?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no
[08:53] <imbrandon_> no
[08:54] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hey sydneysider
[08:55] <jsgotangco> imbrandon_: yours is pretty smooth
[08:55] <imbrandon_> k
[08:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso's isnt relaly - hard to understand
[08:56] <Hobbsee> hahahaha!
[08:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: seems like i just lose part of your speech - not sure why - it may be a gain thing, i dont know
[08:59] <ricmen> hi
[08:59] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:09] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Why have you not spoken?
[09:11] <imbrandon_> hello ricmen
[09:13] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[09:14] <Hobbsee> bah.  thanks.   i'm just lazy :P
[09:14] <imbrandon_> ;)
[09:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: TheMuso we need a :P on there...
[09:43] <imbrandon_> haha
[09:43] <imbrandon_> or a LOL
[09:44] <Hobbsee> yeah - but it's fun hearing you guys laugh :P
[09:44] <TheMuso> No we don't.
[09:44] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:44] <jsgotangco> TeamLaugh?
[09:44] <imbrandon_> hahhaha
[09:44] <imbrandon_> i had to unplug my mic
[09:51] <highvoltage> ogra__: ping
[09:53] <jsgotangco> hey highvoltage
[09:54] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco
[10:07] <Riddell-awa> well I'm in a semi-public cafe so I don't know how polite it would be to get my microphone out and start chatting
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: try it out, anyway :P
[10:09] <TheMuso> hehe
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: just go for the corner where there are no people
[10:11] <ech01> where do i find the reasons for the each of the ubuntu updates?
[10:12] <Riddell-awa> unfortunately the only other person in here is at the next table, and this is the only table with a power socket
[10:12] <Riddell-awa> ech01: changelogs.ubuntu.com
[10:12] <ech01> Riddell-awa: thank you
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: ah...drat
[10:19] <ech01> Riddell-awa: it's hard to follow, is there any tool that simplifies me reading them?
[10:20] <Riddell-awa> ech01: ubuntu's updates programme will
[10:21] <ech01> Riddell-awa: like apt-cache, synaptic, etc
[10:22] <Riddell-awa> I can't remember what it's called, whatever update-notifier launches
[10:22] <ech01> Riddell-awa: isn't update notifier synaptic's?
[10:23] <Riddell-awa> no, although it might launch synaptic
[10:43] <Riddell-awa> aww, Hobbsee left
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: why aww?  i wasnt saying much anyway
[10:44] <Hobbsee> i'll probably jump back on later
[10:44] <Hobbsee> unless dad nicks the headset back :P
[10:46] <imbrandon> yea i think me and TheMuso hijacked the channell for a while ;)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> rather than leaving it for >12 hours until the exam starts...
[10:47] <Hobbsee> er <12
[10:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so what will happen with jingle support?
[10:48] <imbrandon> no idea untill ortp is updated
[10:48] <imbrandon> i guess
[10:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ortp?
[10:49] <imbrandon> thats what freeflying said was wrong with it
[10:49] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[10:49] <imbrandon> it needed a diffrent version that what was in dapper
[10:49] <Hobbsee> right
[10:49] <imbrandon> maybe edgy ?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> that'd be good
[10:50] <imbrandon> heh
[10:50] <Hobbsee> got sidetracked though...all these people wanting to hear me speak :P
[10:50] <imbrandon> as soon as x11 is compiled for edgy i'll make a partition for irt
[10:50] <TheMuso> ortp?
[10:50] <imbrandon> TheMuso, no idea , it was a freeflying|away thing
[10:50] <TheMuso> ok
[10:52] <imbrandon> hrm i could just set it to repeat there's a tear in my beer from hank sr ;)
[10:52] <imbrandon> j/k
[10:53] <TheMuso> Well I'd better do another spec round to see what specs there are and make a final decision as to whether I want to attend them.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> oh ok, everyon eleft :P
[11:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i was the last one in there and left
[11:08] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[11:08] <Hobbsee> hey rob
[11:08] <imbrandon> i'll be back on in a few
[11:08] <imbrandon> heya rob
[11:10] <rob>  hi
[11:11] <rob> gee the motu mailing list is pretty quiet
[11:19] <highvoltage> if i want to package the flock browser and put it in revu, i'm allowed to do that, right?
[11:19] <rob> whats the licence on that?
[11:36] <zakame> hi all
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[11:41] <zakame> hi Hobbsee
[12:21] <Gloubiboulga> heya Toadstool :)
[12:22] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga
[12:22] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:29] <koke> hey, I have someone asking if we can update tellico to a newer version
[12:30] <koke> I have been motu-offline for a while so I'm not sure :)
[12:31] <tseng> unless there is a really good reason, no
[12:31] <tseng> same as always
[12:32] <tseng> dapper is done, put a fork in it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> for edgy though...
[12:32] <tseng> edgy isnt open, and wont be usable for weeks
[12:32] <tseng> therefore... "no"
[12:32] <koke> ok, I was talking about edgy
[12:33] <tseng> pool/main/t/tellico/tellico_1.1.5-1_i386.deb
[12:33] <koke> I've seen http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/ existed and was not sure
[12:33] <tseng> it will be synced by MoM anyway
[12:33] <tseng> koke: you can upload to it, but it will be rejected
[12:34] <tseng> and uploading a sync by hand will be rejected anyway
[12:34] <tseng> he needs to wait for MoM to start
[12:37] <\sh> sync is done from the sync team...it's automated, and MoM, we need to merge them manually ...if MoM ever runs again ;)
[12:38] <\sh> moins btw
[12:45] <lifeless> moin moin
[12:45] <StevenK> moin moin moin
[12:46] <lifeless> niom moin
[12:48] <highvoltage> mediawiki
[12:48] <StevenK> highvoltage: So you're hello unsecurely?
[12:48] <StevenK> Er, saying hello
[12:49] <highvoltage> StevenK: yep
[12:49] <highvoltage> there. cycle complete.
[12:49] <StevenK> Only because plone is pig
[12:50] <StevenK> Er, a pig
[12:50] <StevenK> Jeez, I can't type tonight.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hi again everyone
[01:19] <TheMuso> wb Hobbsee.
[01:20] <Mithrandir> hiya, Hobbsee, TheMuso
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee  :)
[01:35] <zul> heylo
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hey zul
[01:42] <TheMuso> Sweet! My gobby bug is fixed!
[01:46] <zul> hey Hobbsee how is it going?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> zul: absolutely exhausted, but apart from that, good :)
[01:46] <zul> good why dont you go to bed then?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> because it's not even 10pm yet...and i'm probably supposed to help with dishes before bed.
[01:49] <zul> oic
[01:55] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What have you been doing that has gotten you exhausted?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> StevenK: uni exams, and 3 hours of sleep last night
[01:55] <StevenK> Wheee
[01:57] <insanekane> hi ... i have a <package>.install file ... in that file if i do usr/lib/share/* ... will everything under tmp/usr/lib/share/ be installed into my package directory ?
[01:58] <\sh> insanekane: man dh_install :)
[01:58] <insanekane> \sh: :)
[01:59] <insanekane> \sh: ah thanks ... i just don't know enough about how this stuff works :/
[02:00] <\sh> insanekane: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint
[02:00] <\sh> insanekane: on this debian server there is a lot of stuff for starting and understanding debian packaging
[02:01] <insanekane> \sh: aha ok
[02:03] <insanekane> \sh: thanks much ... i think thats going to help a lot
[02:28] <wij32> hey can someone help. im new to linux, just installed ubuntu, the grapihcal interface wont work with my monitor, its a 17" flat screen, any ideas?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> wij32: ask in #ubuntu
[02:29] <wij32> isnt this?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> wij32: no, this is #ubuntu-motu
[03:40] <Yagisan> G'day all. Dumb question, does dappers SDl mixer support .wav files ?
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bddebian
[03:51] <bddebian> Hello Kamping_Kaiser
[03:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian, hi Kamping_Kaiser
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:53] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian, Gloubiboulga, Kamping_Kaiser.
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Yagisan
[03:53] <bddebian> Hi Yagisan
[03:58] <Gloubiboulga> hey Yagisan
[04:38] <nooby_god> If I want to help out packageing software, where do I start?
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has some links
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[04:39] <nooby_god> alright
[04:39] <Gloubiboulga> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide is a good start if you want to create new packages
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> nooby_god> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents
[04:40] <tuxmaniac> ^ good one too
[04:40] <nooby_god> ok
[04:40] <nooby_god> the first thing I want todo is to get Amarok 1.4 into the Universe
[04:40] <_ion> nooby_god: It's already packaged.
[04:40] <nooby_god> why am I unable to get it via synaptaic?
[04:41] <_ion> ## http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[04:41] <_ion> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[04:41] <nooby_god> is it stable?
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> sudo apt-get install amarok
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> it works here
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> nooby_god>
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> nooby_god> is your /etc/apt/sources.list correct ? I mean have you uncommented the lines pointing to the Universe?
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> am off for dinner
[04:44] <ogra> tuxmaniac, why should he, amarok is in main
[04:44] <tuxmaniac> ah sorry then
[04:44] <nooby_god> I'm running Ubuntu if that should mean anything
[04:45] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison amarok
[04:45] <ogra>     amarok | 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[04:45] <nooby_god> yeah, 1.3.9, not 1.4
[04:45] <ogra> it will get updated to 1.4 in edgy automatically
[04:47] <nooby_god> if I'm running Dapper, I won't get 1.4 then?
[04:47] <bddebian> Probably not, unless someone backports it or it gets into dapper-updates
[04:48] <ogra> nope unless its decided to take the risk to upgrade it via dapper-updates
[04:48] <ogra> but thats very unlikely if the 1.3 version doesnt have bugs like "wipes your harddisk"
[04:48] <nooby_god> argh, I'm from Gentoo, I'm so used to being on the bleeding edge
[04:49] <ogra> ues edgy then if it opens ;)
[04:50] <nooby_god> I'll just add  "http://kubuntu.org/amarok-14/ dapper main" to my sources.list
[04:52] <nooby_god> that will work right?
[04:52] <ogra> yep
[04:52] <ogra> i guess so ... (i dont go near QT stuff if i dont need)
[04:53] <nooby_god> I got an error in synaptaic -> http://kubuntu.org/amarok-14/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[04:54] <nooby_god> nvm fixed it
[04:54] <nooby_god> I'll start reading the MOTU docs right now, hopefully I can help with the Universe soon
[04:55] <ogra> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ should be the url
[04:56] <nooby_god> actually amaok-stable has 1.4 too
[04:56] <nooby_god> I should put that instead
[04:57] <zakame> hi all
[05:01] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:04] <hub> ogra: Qt or QT?
[05:04] <ogra> qt indeed :)
[05:04] <ogra> :P
[05:04] <ogra> or qT :)
[05:04] <bddebian> or cutie
[05:05] <ogra> htis strange C++ widget thingie, you know :)
[05:05] <bddebian> :-)
[05:05] <zakame> hi bddebian
[05:05] <zakame> hi hub ogr	
[05:06] <hub> ogra: QT is a proprietary multimedia framework, that I try to stay away from :-)
[05:07] <ogra> me neither, i simply dont touch it :)
[05:07] <ogra> (either of both)
[05:19] <Bazzi> all this hate against Qt =(
[05:23] <ogra> Bazzi, i dont hate it (else i wouldnt ship it in edubuntu) i just dont like it and know there are better methods for GUI apps :)
[05:25] <Bazzi> ogra: well I have heard so much political **** about Qt lately, it really hurts... great apps not ported to KDE/Qt because of some political BS... absolutely against free software morals
[05:25] <Bazzi> no offense to you of course
[05:25] <ogra> well, i'm not opposed if someone ports my apps to Qt, as long as i dont have to do it myself ...
[05:25] <shenki> hi all
[05:26] <shenki> I'm trying to set up a edgy chroot, by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[05:27] <shenki> and I was wondering, do I need to grab the updated debootstrap from the edgy repo, or is the one in dapper fine?
[05:27] <ogra> haha
[05:28] <ogra> edgy isnt even finished with basic setup on the buildds and initial archive imports
[05:28] <ogra> relax :)
[05:28] <shenki> yeah, i realise that
[05:29] <shenki> i'm trying to teach myself packaging
[05:29] <ogra> usually you will set up a dapper chroot and upgrade that to edgy then
[05:29] <shenki> with the goal of packaging an app up and potentially getting it in edgy
[05:29] <shenki> ah, okay
[05:30] <ogra> same goes for pbuilder
[05:30] <shenki> cheers
[05:42] <pschulz01> Greetings.. can anyone point me to some documentation for creating multiple binary packages from a single source package?
[05:42] <bddebian> Debian New Maintainers Guide?
[05:43] <pschulz01> bddebian, I'll have a look, thanks.
[05:46] <pschulz01> bddebian, Hmm.. not obvious where the information is.
[05:47] <bddebian> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[05:48] <pschulz01> bddebian, Sorry.. let me rephrase that.. the maint-guide doesn;t go into this detail.. looks like I need the Developer's manuals.
[05:49] <pschulz01> http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals
[05:50] <bddebian> Ah, sorry
[05:52] <pschulz01> Hmm.. I remember reading something, but I can't remember which document it was. (I think my mind is going.)
[05:54] <zakame> developers-reference?
[05:55] <pschulz01> Where is that?
[05:55] <zakame> apt-get -y install developers-reference
[05:55] <pschulz01> Ahh, found the package.
[05:55] <pschulz01> Thanks.
[05:57] <pschulz01> Section 6.1.3.
[05:57] <pschulz01> (A start anyway.)
[05:58] <pschulz01> Doesn't really say how though.
[06:10] <shenki> another question on the chroot setup, trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:11] <shenki> in trying to get the locales working properly, i installed the packages suggested, however I still get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15767
[06:14] <shenki> orga? you still around?
[06:14] <shenki> ogra, excuse my typing
[06:14] <bddebian> shenki: That is just a warning
[06:14] <ogra> i am
[06:15] <shenki> bddebian: isn't it warning me that I dont have any locale settings configured?
[06:15] <shenki> sorry ogra, just when I thought no-one was around, everyone comes running :)
[06:16] <bddebian> shenki: Yes but defaulting to 'C' won't "hurt" you
[06:16] <shenki> okay
[06:16] <shenki> any ideas why it isnt working? taking to another user in -au, and he has the same problem on his actual system
[06:18] <bddebian> What happens?
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, its not going to 'hurt' me, but it did work on dapper untill stable (or i didnt notice an issue before that), and its an error that clogs up the screen on a simple apt-get install
[06:18] <shenki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15768
[06:18] <shenki> ta-da, Kamping_Kaiser is the user I speak of :)
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:19] <ogra> shenki, thats fine for a chroot you use for building stuff ...
[06:19] <shenki> yeah, that's what I was thinking. but I thought I'd ask the quesiton, considering Kamping_Kaiser has the same problem
[06:19] <ogra> for an actual system use: locale-gen en_AU.UTF-8
[06:20] <shenki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15769 - that's what I get from 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[06:21] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oy recompiling Apache,,,,GO!
[06:21] <bddebian> shenki: Did you try locale-gen as ogra suggested?
[06:21] <ogra> i didnt say anything about dpkg-reconfigure
[06:22] <shenki> ogra, that's the command that the howto instructs you to use to set the locale settings
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i seem to get the same erroro still.
[06:23] <ogra> shenki, yes, thats true for breezy and before
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there a way to get that ncurses selection thing that you could choose locales from?
[06:23] <ogra> nope
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[06:23] <ogra> thats obsolete
[06:23] <ogra> use locale-gen
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i probably have to log out and in for those changes to stick *realises*
[06:23] <ogra> (and make sure to have the langpacks installed)
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh well :/ time to advance
[06:24] <shenki> ogra, that worked
[06:24] <ogra> and even better use the GUI language tool ;)
[06:24] <shenki> the locale-gen command
[06:24] <shenki> thankyou
[06:24] <ogra> :)
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i have this issue after useing the tool, hence the problem ;)
[06:24] <shenki> so that command replaces 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' in the howto for dapper?
[06:24] <ogra> no idea
[06:25] <ogra> i havent read many dapper howtos apart from ltsp stuff i wrote myself :)
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, spose so, but its 'sudo locale-gen <yourlangCaseSensitve>
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> `sudo locale-gen en_AU.UTF-8` works, `sudo locale-gen en_au.utf-8` doesnt
[06:26] <ogra> who said it would be .utf-8 ? :)
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> my shift finger ;)
[06:27] <ogra> *g*
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:36] <Laser_away> bah, the DebootsrapChroot howto need to be fixed
[06:37] <Laser_away> I might have to do that before Paris
[06:38] <Laser_away> but I need to figure ot the sudo bit
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> which bit Laser_away ?
[06:39] <Laser_away> well, infinity suggested that the whole "setting up sudo in the chroot" was bad
[06:40] <Laser_away> I need to figure out what exactly we should have there
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:43] <Spec> My debian/rules file, under clean: has   "rm $(CURDIR)/cxacru-fw" ... now when I try to build the package, and that file doesn't exist, make errors and exits...
[06:43] <Spec> What should I put in debian/rules to make it only delete the file if it exists and/or not care if it doesn't exist?
[06:43] <Kyral_FreeBSD> crap I nuked /usr/build/libtool
[06:46] <Kyral_FreeBSD> WTF is that for anyway...
[06:47] <Laser_away> hehe, remind me never to give you ssh access on my  machines ;-)
[06:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Well, it was because I botched the Apache install
[06:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> so I though that was put there by Apache :P
[06:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I mean /usr/bin/libtool was fine
[06:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ah well a little symlink and its happy
[06:49] <Laser_away> heh
[06:49] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I can't believe Debian doesn't have Apache 2.2
[06:49] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oh wait its Debian...nevermind
[06:54] <lucas> ah ah ah.
[06:55] <lucas> Debian has been having a non-RC-buggy nbd since end of january, while we released dapper with a RC-buggy nbd in main.
[06:55] <lucas> who wins ?
[07:01] <ogra> you mean network block device support ?
[07:01] <ogra> what should be buggy about it ?
[07:02] <jamessan> Spec: put a '-' before the 'rm'.  that tells make to ignore failures
[07:03] <lucas> http://www.grep.be/blog/2006/06/14/#ubuntu_main_and_Debian_Developers
[07:04] <lucas> (for ogra)
[07:39] <Yagisan> :( crap. failed dapper upgrade
[07:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: zope & plone didn't like going breezy -> dapper
[07:47] <LaserJock> yikes, I don't think I  get anything -devel is talking about
[07:48] <LaserJock> I guess I'm not geeky enough ;-)
[07:53] <LaserJock> ?
[07:55] <crimsun_> LaserJock: nested screen sessions
[07:55] <LaserJock> ah
[07:55] <crimsun_> they're screwing my stty erase
[08:00] <shenki> I was wondering, how does one go about packaging a python program that uses a python 'setup.py' instead of a makefile? do i need to write a makefile, or..?
[08:01] <Kyral_FreeBSD> call dh_python?
[08:01] <LaserJock> shenki: no, just run it in debian/rules
[08:02] <shenki> Kyral_FreeBSD: I'm learning packaging, this is my first go... i'll have a look at dh_python
[08:02] <LaserJock> dh_python won't build it
[08:02] <shenki> do you know of any packages which use that method? I was trying to look for an example
[08:02] <LaserJock> dh_python it will add some stuff to the postinst script
[08:02] <LaserJock> shenki: one I packaged is gausssum
[08:03] <shenki> cheers
[08:03] <LaserJock> shenki: there are probably many others though
[08:03] <shenki> yes. it's hard to find info, google doesnt help because it just finds info on packaging python, not python apps
[08:04] <LaserJock> right
[08:07] <crimsun_> it's actually quite easy to find
[08:07] <crimsun_> google://"debian python policy setup.py"
[08:08] <LaserJock> crimsun_: bah, of course for you it is. Some of use dummy heads don't find things that easily ;-)
[08:08] <shenki> ah. yes. search for the file, good thinking
[08:10] <LaserJock> shenki: really the Python Policy manual would be a good thing to check out if you haven't already
[08:10] <shenki> LaserJock: I did just find something that was named similar to 'debian python policy', but it was a one-page piece of unusefullness
[08:11] <shenki> it appears to be exactly what I was looking for :) thanks
[08:12] <Yagisan> w00t. my website is back. now to backup again, and try each package, 1 by 1, till I see which needs a bug report
[08:13] <LaserJock> shenki: www.debian.org/devel has a link to the Python Policy
[08:14] <shenki> LaserJock: ah, yes, that's the one im looking for. will keep that /devel site bookmarked tho, it's one of those things I wish I had about 3 hours ago :)
[08:15] <LaserJock> yep
[08:36] <crimsun_> man, scott, adam, et al. must have been fighting the archive all week{,end}
[08:37] <LaserJock> what's the problem, I'm not really getting what they're doing
[08:37] <crimsun_> I guess it's time for that billionth chroot
[08:37] <crimsun_> LaserJock: fixing $stuff so edgy can open
[08:37] <crimsun_> archive, toolchain, etc.
[08:40] <crimsun_> oh sweet, most of my local packages will be upgraded because of the syncs :D
[08:44] <truzak> hello, whats the difference bw sun-java5-bin and sun-java5-jre packages? (both have same desc. as JRE)
[08:45] <crimsun_> truzak: -jre has arch-indep files; -bin has arch-dep files
[08:45] <Yagisan> hmm. breakage wasn't zope2.8. just 14 packages to hunt through
[08:46] <crimsun_> truzak: not to mention you have to accept the EULA to install -jre
[08:46] <LaserJock> crimsun_: EULA for -bin too, no?
[08:46] <crimsun_> LaserJock: one of them has the debconf "issue", don't remember which
[08:46] <crimsun_> (same bug is triggered by flashplugin-nonfree)
[08:47] <LaserJock> crimsun_: well, that's been fixed
[08:47] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it has hit the archives though
[08:48] <LaserJock> I used java5's debconf for my packaging job that should be hitting dapper any time now
[08:48] <crimsun_> madison isn't showing it locally, so it may have just waiting for pulse
[08:48] <crimsun_> EGRAMMAR
[08:49] <LaserJock> isn't showing what?
[08:49] <crimsun_> updated sun-java5
[08:50] <crimsun_> uh oh, scott updated MoM's pool
[08:50] <crimsun_> are we ready? :D
[08:50] <LaserJock> what bug are you specifically talking about, the one where it doesn't present for pre-release Dapper installs?
[08:50] <crimsun_> LaserJock: yes
[08:51] <bddebian> Heya crimsun_
[08:51] <crimsun_> 'lo bddebian
[08:51] <LaserJock> crimsun_: yeah, it is in the SVN or whatever they are using, but I think they might be waiting to upload it
[08:54] <crimsun_> sweet, time for me to punt some changes to edgy
[08:59] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[09:00] <crimsun_> bddebian: that's a pretty spectacular reject
[09:01] <nooby_god> Can some one explain this whole .deb thin gand respitory thing to me? I'm only used to emerge
[09:01] <jpatrick> bddebian: he might break
[09:02] <Spec> jamessan: thanks :)
[09:02] <bddebian> crimsun_: Heh
[09:02] <bddebian> nooby_god: emerge is a source based right?
[09:02] <crimsun_> nooby_god: it's pretty straightforward. Yanno how portage can source? That's what we upload to the holding area (hence compiled on buildds to generate binary debs).
[09:02] <neutrinomass> Is it a bad idea to write .desktops that put stuff under System->Administration instead of Applications->System ? Because I've heard that Ubuntu is moving away from the latter ...
[09:02] <crimsun_> portage works with, rather
[09:03] <neutrinomass> bddebian: Yes, it grabs tarballs and builds them....
[09:03] <LaserJock> neutrinomass: might be a good question for -devel or seb128 anyway
[09:03] <nooby_god> portage is bassicly a much of scripts that download the source, check for the deps and builds it
[09:03] <Spec> yeap
[09:03] <nooby_god> explain this whole main, restricted, universe, multiverse thing
[09:03] <nooby_god> I don;t get it
[09:03] <bddebian> main == supported by Canonical
[09:03] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: Hm.. -devel the ML or the channel ? I haven't seen him in a while
[09:03] <crimsun_> that's a faq, ask the bot about components
[09:03] <bddebian> Universe == unsupported
[09:03] <Spec> restricted = non free supported by canonical
[09:04] <Spec> multiverse = non free unsupported
[09:04] <LaserJock> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[09:04] <LaserJock> neutrinomass: you might try the channel first
[09:04] <nooby_god> ok, when I add respitories to my sources.list it;s like 'deb some.url dapper main'
[09:04] <nooby_god> what does the dapper and main part me
[09:04] <nooby_god> *mean
[09:04] <crimsun_> distribution and component, respectively.
[09:05] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: OK. I'm heading off from some cigs and will pop in there in a while ...
[09:05] <crimsun_> man 5 sources.list
[09:05] <nooby_god> so if I misslable one of the respitories has a wrong component, what happens?
[09:05] <crimsun_> you get an error.
[09:05] <LaserJock> you don't get it
[09:05] <nooby_god> ah, thank you
[09:07] <nooby_god> I'm currently trying to figure out what is the procedure for one to get Amarok 1.4 into the main respitory
[09:07] <nooby_god> Kubuntu already has the deb and everything is packaged
[09:08] <Spec> I've uploaded a package to revu, with a slightly different version number (1.2-1 -> 1.2-2), revu will know that it's the newer version of the same package, right?
[09:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:08] <Spec> and is it possible to comment on your own package in revu?
[09:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:08] <Spec> how?
[09:08] <Yagisan> upgrade/downgrade upgrade/downgrade upgrade/downgrade. I'm getting a headache sorting the zope packages into "this breaks" and "this works"
[09:08] <Spec> :p
[09:08] <LaserJock> Spec: you log in and go to your package :-)
[09:09] <crimsun_> nooby_god: path of least resistance is edgy/main (which should be fairly straightforward)
[09:09] <Spec> login with wiki credentials?
[09:09] <crimsun_> nooby_god: path of very high resistance is dapper-updates/main
[09:10] <nooby_god> why would it be high resistance?
[09:10] <nooby_god> I thought that Amarok was supported?
[09:10] <nooby_god> shouldn't be a good thing that's being upgrated?
[09:11] <Yagisan> nooby_god: not always
[09:11] <Yagisan> nooby_god: bug fix, yes. new features, no
[09:11] <Yagisan> s/bug fix/security bug fix/
[09:11] <Spec> ah hah, password recovery...i don't recall setting that password though, must've been autogenerated
[09:11] <crimsun_> nooby_god: -updates is for gnome-desktop (core, stable branch fixes, with standing exception), translations, and trivial critical fixes
[09:12] <LaserJock> nooby_god: it is important that a particular release be stable and well integrated
[09:12] <nooby_god> ah, wonderful
[09:12] <nooby_god> well, I'll give up on that
[09:13] <LaserJock> give up on what?
[09:13] <nooby_god> nvm
[09:15] <LaserJock> doh, I wondered why my other machine was slow, I had 3 vnc sessions running at the same time
[09:15] <ogra> fix vnc then :)
[09:15] <LaserJock> and with another user on it and having only 256MB RAM, well ... I'm stupid
[09:16] <bddebian> heh
[09:16] <LaserJock> I didn't think it used to be that slow
[09:16] <LaserJock> I kept killing the vnc on :1 but there were 3 others I didn't know about :-)
[09:25] <nooby_god> if there is a deb for a piece of software for debian but not in the debian respitory, how would one try to package that for ubuntu?
[09:25] <Yagisan> found the bugger. zope-resourceregistries from breezy to dapper = no website
[09:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: would that be yours ? ^^
[09:29] <LaserJock> nooby_god: generally that shouldn't be the case, we grab the Debian unstable packages automatically at the beginning of each release cycle
[09:29] <nooby_god> LaserJock: it's not in the debian respitories
[09:29] <nooby_god> the deb is found on the website
[09:29] <nooby_god> http://www.mercury.to/index.php?page=Downloads
[09:30] <LaserJock> nooby_god: ahh, then either you would need to get the source package from the authors or make you're own source package
[09:30] <nooby_god> it's a requested piece -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?highlight=%28CategoryMOTU%29
[09:31] <LaserJock> nooby_god: yeah, go for it :-)
[09:32] <nooby_god> LaserJock: I don't think it's opensource
[09:32] <LaserJock> hmm, that always stinks
[09:32] <nooby_god> it's a closed source java program
[09:32] <LaserJock> ah
[09:32] <nooby_god> but's a very good piece of software
[09:32] <LaserJock> well,  it could perhaps go in Multiverse if it is redistributable
[09:32] <nooby_god> It's in gentoo's portage, let me check
[09:34] <nooby_god> LaserJock: there is no licencing info anywhere, but the ebuild does not point to the official server, some one else is distributing it
[09:35] <nooby_god> it's a little risky so I wont do it. I'll find another peice of software
[09:35] <LaserJock> yeah, closed source isn't fun
[09:39] <nooby_god> well I found another piece of software, the Last.fm player
[09:40] <_ion> It's GPL IIRC.
[09:40] <_ion> And already packaged.
[09:41] <nooby_god> really?
[09:41] <nooby_god> I guess I'll pick something eles
[09:41] <_ion> http://packages.debian.org/src:lastfm
[09:42] <_ion> In fact, it's available for Ubuntu as well from my repository. (I update the packages i've taken from Debian every once in a while.)
[09:42] <_ion> Ubuntu dapper, that is.
[09:42] <insanekane> nooby_god: looking for something to package ?
[09:42] <nooby_god> yeah
[09:42] <nooby_god> want to start
[09:43] <nooby_god> is there a 'to package' lsit?
[09:44] <bddebian> There used to be a wiki page for packages that users have requested
[09:44] <nooby_god> I'm goiong through that right now
[09:44] <bddebian> Ah
[09:45] <nooby_god> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates -> this one right?
[09:45] <jason__> LaserJock there?
[09:45] <insanekane> nooby_god: could you package kastrolog ?
[09:46] <bddebian> nooby_god: Yeah, that's it
[09:46] <LaserJock> jason__: heah, hi!
[09:46] <nooby_god> I'll try insanekane
[09:47] <nooby_god> It would be my first piece of software to package
[09:47] <LaserJock> jason__: so you rebuilt the source package, but it dies in when you try to run pbuilder on it?
[09:47] <nooby_god> insanekane: do you know the procedure for packaging and then uploading software?
[09:48] <nooby_god> I'm actually a little confused
[09:48] <nooby_god> I package it, sign it, upload it to REVU then?
[09:48] <jason__> actually it finished correctly, but I can't find the .deb file
[09:48] <insanekane> nooby_god: not much ... i'm just starting out like you ... but i guess i'm ahead because i started by looking at existing packages
[09:48] <LaserJock> nooby_god: http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[09:48] <insanekane> nooby_god: hehe ... i havent gotten that far :)
[09:49] <LaserJock> jason__: ok, what did you use to set up the pbuilder? the packaging guide?
[09:49] <jason__> yes
[09:49] <LaserJock> nooby_god: more or less
[09:49] <jason__> I just install and run "pbuilder create" command
[09:49] <nooby_god> I'll start off with Kastrolog then
[09:50] <jason__> yes I used the packaging guide
[09:50] <LaserJock> jason__: ok, then it should be in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[09:50] <Spec> LaserJock: why vnc over freenx? :)
[09:50] <LaserJock> Spec: because freenx has never really worked that well for me
[09:51] <Spec> aww, it's so fast the two times i've implemented it
[09:51] <LaserJock> Spec: vnc over ssh tunnel works pretty well for my situation
[09:51] <Spec> except it's slow :)
[09:51] <Spec> ssh adds a bit of overhead as well
[09:51] <LaserJock> well, it works, which is better than I can say for freenx ;-)
[09:51] <jason__> yes there is..
[09:52] <Spec> hehehe
[09:52] <LaserJock> jason__: you should have quite a few files in there, one of which should be a .deb
[09:53] <jason__> yes you are right. there are .diff.gz, .dsc, .changes and orig.tar.gz too..
[09:53] <LaserJock> yeah, those are copies of the source package, but you have then already
[09:54] <jason__> LaserJock: So if I change the desktop-multiplier in the future, then I will send you the source package..
[09:55] <LaserJock> jason__: yeah, but really any MOTU (devs who can upload to Universe and Multiverse) could do it
[09:55] <insanekane> how do we find out which package a file has come from ?
[09:55] <LaserJock> dpkg -S
[09:55] <jason__> OK thanks,
[09:56] <LaserJock> jason__: but if you test out the building with pbuilder it will help a lot
[09:56] <LaserJock> jason__: but we can certainly help  if you get stuck or anything
[09:56] <jason__> ok
[09:56] <insanekane> nooby_god: cool :)
[09:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: You don't help me??? :-)
[09:58] <LaserJock> I don't?
[10:00] <bddebian> I was joking.  Notice the :-)
[10:10] <nooby_god> if I want to set up pbuilder the command would be sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper correct?
[10:11] <gloubiboulga> yes, but you'll have to upgrade to edgy after creating it if you want to test new packages
[10:12] <nooby_god> well I'm packaging a piece of software for the universe
[10:12] <nooby_god> so dapper will do right?
[10:12] <bddebian> Set your pbuilder up with Edgy
[10:12] <bddebian> New packages won't get in Dapper anyway
[10:12] <gloubiboulga> no, dapper is closed, all the new package will go to edgy
[10:13] <nooby_god> ah
[10:13] <gloubiboulga> packages*
[10:13] <nooby_god> does any one here use Edgy?
[10:13] <bddebian> I am trying to upgrade one of my boxes as we speak
[10:13] <gloubiboulga> i have edgy in a chroot
[10:14] <nooby_god> I can still create packages for Edgy in Dapper right?
[10:14] <nooby_god> and is Edgy stable at all?
[10:14] <bddebian> nooby_god: With the pbuilder, yes
[10:14] <nooby_god> ok bddebian
[10:14] <nooby_god> so the command I would do right now would be  sudo pbuilder create --distribution edgy
[10:15] <crimsun_> s/edgy/dapper/
[10:15] <bddebian> Yes, or you can build a dapper pbuilder first, then upgrade to dapper
[10:16] <crimsun_> bddebian: err, dapper's pbuilder already knows about edgy?
[10:16] <bddebian> Ack, upgrade to edgy
[10:16] <nooby_god> is there a safe way to upgrate to edgy?
[10:16] <nooby_god> no wait, I'll stick with something stable
[10:16] <bddebian> crimsun_: Oh, hmmm, good point
[10:18] <nooby_god> I get an error when I run pbuilder
[10:18] <nooby_god> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy
[10:18] <nooby_god> but I have debootstrap
[10:19] <ivoks> but not edgy :)
[10:19] <LaserJock> nooby_god: dapper deboostrap doesn't know about edgy
[10:20] <LaserJock> nooby_god: you can build a dapper pbuilder and then upgrade it
[10:20] <nooby_god> so I would have to upgrate to edgy inorder to start packaginf?
[10:20] <nooby_god> LaserJock: how?
[10:20] <crimsun_> --distribution dapper
[10:20] <LaserJock> pbuilder create --distribution dapper
[10:20] <bddebian> nooby_god: Yeah that was my fault sorry, I wasn't thinking about the pbuilder end
[10:20] <crimsun_> change pbuilder's sources.list, then update --override-config
[10:21] <nooby_god>  then I run sudo pbuilder update --distribution edgy --override-config
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:21] <crimsun_> no drop the --distribution after you've created a pbuilder $base.tgz
[10:21] <crimsun_> --distribution implies pbuilder knows about the parameter passed to it.
[10:22] <LaserJock> oh, hmm
[10:22] <nooby_god> I just ran sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse"
[10:22] <nooby_god> then what do i do then?
[10:22] <LaserJock> did it work?
[10:23] <crimsun_> you edit pbuilder's sources.list, :%s/dapper/edgy/, then update --override-config
[10:23] <nooby_god> yeah, that command just ran
[10:23] <nooby_god> so many damn libs
[10:24] <LaserJock> nooby_god: hmm, where is his sources.list going to be?
[10:25] <crimsun_> LaserJock: (misaddress?) I presume people are using ~/.pbuilderrc
[10:25] <LaserJock> no
[10:25] <LaserJock> all commandline
[10:26] <LaserJock> at least that's how I set up the Packaging Guide
[10:26] <crimsun_> it's a Really Good idea to use ~/.$pbuildderrc
[10:26] <LaserJock> dang it, Matthew Palmer told me not too
[10:27] <LaserJock> I went through it all and did a fair amount of work to get this right :/
[10:27] <crimsun_> and instead use /etc/pbuilderrc?
[10:27] <LaserJock> yes
[10:27] <nooby_god> wouldn't pbuilder store the sources.list inside of the chroot?
[10:27] <LaserJock> nooby_god: yes, but it is a matter of where it gets it
[10:27] <nooby_god>  /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:28] <crimsun_> and what if you 1) don't have control over /etc/pbuilderrc [but are granted sudo for pbuilder]  and/or run multiple pbuilders?
[10:28] <LaserJock> that is the point
[10:28] <LaserJock> I use a script in ~/bin
[10:28] <crimsun_> I fall under both of those categories
[10:28] <LaserJock> me too
[10:29] <LaserJock> alll though more under multiple pbuilders than not having access
[10:29] <crimsun_> I keep ~/.pbuilderrc.dapper{,-backports}, ~/.pbuilderrc.hoary, ~/.pbuilderrc.breezy{,-backports}
[10:30] <LaserJock> right, Matthew Palmer said that was all unnecessary
[10:30] <nooby_god> pbuilder just finished creating bast.tgz for dapper
[10:30] <LaserJock> pbuilder comes with a script, my modified version for dapper is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15776
[10:30] <LaserJock> that is all I use
[10:31] <LaserJock> no pbuilderrc or sources.list stuff
[10:31] <nooby_god> if I want to upgrate to pbuilder edgy I need to edit my sources.list and then run pbuilder update --distribution edgy right?
[10:31] <LaserJock> I just have a new script for each pbuilder (only modifying DISTRIBUTION)
[10:31] <LaserJock> nooby_god: don't edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <Yagisan> one day, I'll get around to redoing it more like crimsun_.
[10:32] <nooby_god> I would edit.....
[10:32] <LaserJock> Yagisan: I used to do it that way
[10:32] <crimsun_> LaserJock: sure, you can do it that way.
[10:32] <LaserJock> nooby_god: that's what we are discussing
[10:33] <LaserJock> crimsun_: but my question is does that break upgrading?
[10:33] <LaserJock> bah, I've got a meeting right now
[10:33] <LaserJock> bbiab
[10:34] <crimsun_> LaserJock: you've always got a corner case at the beginning of each devel cycle anyway
[10:34] <Yagisan> mm. kernel update. time to reboot the router.
[10:34] <crimsun_> at that point you either have to edit your script, or you have to edit ~/.$pbuilderrc
[10:34] <Laser_away> yeah, I'm just wondering if I made the Packaging Guide flawed by doing it that way
[10:34] <crimsun_> no, the packaging guide is fine
[10:34] <crimsun_> you can't get around editing /something/
[10:35] <nooby_god> ok, I have a pbuilder for dapper, I want to upgrate to a pbuilder for edgy so I can create stuff for universe
[10:35] <nooby_god> what do i do people
[10:35] <crimsun_> nooby_god: in this case you either modify Laser_away's script, or you edit pbuilder's sources.list
[10:36] <crimsun_> (this is the cornercase I'm referring to)
[10:36] <nooby_god> crimsun_: what did you do?
[10:37] <crimsun_> nooby_god: I'm a conffile whore. I like ~/.$pbuilderrc and $sources.list
[10:38] <nooby_god> so i'll do that then
[10:38] <nooby_god> where is pbuilders sources.list?
[10:39] <crimsun_> if you didn't modify anything, it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <crimsun_> which is why you would either use a script or manually use command line parameters
[10:42] <nooby_god> Can 't I just run "sudo pbuilder update --distribution edgy --override-config --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse" ?
[10:42] <nooby_god> to upgrate to edgy without modifying anything?
[10:44] <crimsun_> nooby_god: no. "edgy" is not known to pbuilder, so you can't pass it as an argument to --distribution
[10:44] <nooby_god> oops, I just ran it
[10:44] <nooby_god> it seems to be working though
[10:45] <crimsun_> it may work due to --override-config --othermirror
[10:45] <crimsun_> both of those supercede --distribution
[10:45] <nooby_god> ah
[10:45] <nooby_god> well it works, that's all that matters right now
[10:45] <nooby_god> thank you though crimsun_
[10:49] <bddebian> Hmm, is doomlegacy gone?
[10:52] <crimsun_> nooby_god: np
[11:04] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:13] <ryanakca> I have a suggestion for the REVU site: put a search thingy...
[11:13] <crimsun_> that's in the cards for revu2 afaik
[11:14] <crimsun_> in the meanwhile, use your browser's excellent Find
[11:19] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oy
[11:19] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Day destroyed by recompiling Apache and PHP
[11:21] <gloubiboulga> on hurd? :)
[11:21] <Spec> hurd runs?
[11:21] <nooby_god> Does anyone have something that I could use as my first package?
[11:21] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Spec: yah
[11:22] <Kyral_FreeBSD> gloubiboulga: no this was my production box
[11:22] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Debian doesn't have the updated Apache or PHP so I spent the day recompiling from source
[11:22] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Found out Debian messes with the apache layout too much
[11:22] <zyga> hey
[11:22] <Kyral_FreeBSD> even with the --enable-layout=Debian compile opt
[11:22] <zyga> has anyone seen lucas recently?
[11:23] <gloubiboulga> Kyral_FreeBSD, you should use ubuntu, it's a great distro ;)
[11:23] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I'm gonna construct a new VM from HLFS to replace this one
[11:23] <Kyral_FreeBSD> gloubiboulga: And what? Wind up with the same crap Debian gave me?
[11:24] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Honestly the default Apache Config layout is better IMO
[11:24] <Kyral_FreeBSD> none of this "mods-enabled" "mods-disabled" crap
[11:24] <gloubiboulga> Kyral_FreeBSD, it was just a joke :)
[11:24] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I compiled the mods I needed into Apache and it was happy
[11:24] <Spec> I like the mods-enabled/mods-disabled and sites-enabled/sites-disabled crap :p
[11:24] <Kyral_FreeBSD> osryr I owrked on this for like 7 hours
[11:25] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Had to recompile mod_perl
[11:25] <Kyral_FreeBSD> had to recompile mod_security
[11:26] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I'm just like "WTF why don't I just recompile the whole shabang"
[11:28] <gloubiboulga> I'm off to bed, g'night
[11:29] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Seems to be faster...less memory useage
[11:35] <nooby_god> if there is no ubuntu source package for a peice of software is it still nessessary to make an ubuntu folder?
[11:36] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ubuntu folder what?
[11:36] <nooby_god> according to the guide -> http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[11:37] <nooby_god> mkdir ~/hello-debhelper
[11:37] <nooby_god> cd ~/hello-debhelper
[11:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> no paste
[11:37] <nooby_god> wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hello/hello-2.1.1.tar.gz
[11:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I get it
[11:37] <nooby_god> mkdir ubuntu
[11:37] <nooby_god> cd ubuntu
[11:37] <nooby_god> Then, get the Ubuntu source package:
[11:37] <nooby_god> apt-get source hello-debhelper
[11:37] <nooby_god> cd ..
[11:37] <nooby_god> ops
[11:37] <nooby_god> *oops
[11:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I thougth you meant in place of the Debian dir
[11:37] <zyga> nooby_god: the directory you make is necessary for the package
[11:37] <nooby_god> even if there is no source package in the respitory?
[11:37] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I think its just a workzone
[11:38] <Kyral_FreeBSD> so you keep all the clutter in one place
[11:38] <zyga> nooby_god: yeah, you don't want to mess your ~ do  you?
[11:38] <nooby_god> ok
[11:38] <zyga> (easier to bzr init and rm -rf)
[11:40] <nooby_god> oh, what do I do if dh_make get's the version wrong?
[11:41] <Kyral_FreeBSD> man dh_make
[11:41] <nooby_god> the version is 5.4-1.1, but dh_make says the version is 5.4
[11:41] <zyga> nooby_god: bad directory name
[11:41] <nooby_god> yes it is zyga, should I do anything?
[11:42] <nooby_god> or let it be?
[11:42] <zyga> nooby_god: probably rename it but I'm not too good at packaging
[11:42] <zyga> seek advice from those who know better
[11:43] <nooby_god> Does anyone know better here?
[11:43] <zyga> nooby_god: just curious, did you triple check that you are not doing something that is already done (the package you make is really not in any archive)
[11:44] <nooby_god> yes
[11:46] <nooby_god> well actually this may make sense, the package name
[11:46] <nooby_god> the version name is  kastrolog-5.4-1.1
[11:46] <nooby_god> it's based on astrolog 5.4, and it's version 1.1
[11:48] <Kyral_FreeBSD> there is
[11:49] <Kyral_FreeBSD> its called tar.gz
[11:49] <zyga> Kyral_FreeBSD: yeah, same as unix standard, it's called man
[11:49] <Kyral_FreeBSD> yup
[11:50] <zyga> I was rather thinking about debian source packages
[11:50] <Kyral_FreeBSD> You do realize that deb-srcs are just the tar.gz + the diff.gz
[11:51] <zyga> yeah, and +foo.gz where foo is appropriate according to packager, foo varies greatly
[11:51] <Kyral_FreeBSD> foo by its nature is meant to vary greatly :P
[11:51] <zyga> maybe there should be no random foo then?
[11:51] <Kyral_FreeBSD> but alas, foo is standard too :P
[11:52] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Just like its cousin, bar :P
[11:52] <zyga> but then again foobar is not a good sign in the code you have to maintain
[11:53] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I use it to finish off a case statement where I expect the condition to never have been met :P
[11:53] <zyga> and define it as weak alias to be sure it's not worrying the linker ;-) ?
[11:54] <Kyral_FreeBSD> something like bool foo = true; (something that might modify foo); if( !foo ) { <something> } else if( foo ) { something else } else { cout << The Laws of The Universe have been violated, this error is the least of your problems; }
[11:54] <Kyral_FreeBSD> :P
[11:55] <zyga> cout, ouch!
[11:55] <Kyral_FreeBSD> it was C++ jeez
[11:55] <zyga> yeah, jeez told us to use c
[11:56] <Kyral_FreeBSD> ...don't bring up this fight C boy
[11:56] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I was taught C++ before C
[11:56] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I like C++. I like Vectors damnit :P
[11:56] <zyga> c is ugly but necessary and mature in a way
[11:56] <Kyral_FreeBSD> like Perl!
[11:56] <zyga> c++ is still young and forming IMHO
[11:56] <zyga> oh and I like python :)
[11:57] <zyga> but I really don't see either as good
[11:57] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Actually they are supposed to be releasing the next specification of C++ in like the next year or so
[11:57] <zyga> c0x? or what was the draft called?
[11:57] <Kyral_FreeBSD> C++0x
[11:57] <Kyral_FreeBSD> I think
[11:57] <zyga> oh, forgot about++ :)
[11:58] <Kyral_FreeBSD> Perl is quite nice
[11:58] <hub> zyga: C++ is mature
[11:58] <zyga> hub: did you read that spec? it's like 100% new features and that's not mature IMO
[11:58] <Kyral_FreeBSD> oy...the battle between C and C++ is like the battle between Vim and Emacs...
[11:59] <zyga> Kyral_FreeBSD: I shall silently ignore that
[12:00] <Kyral_FreeBSD> So new features == new and immature regardless of how old the language is
[12:00] <Kyral_FreeBSD> wow, then by your reasoning everything is immature compared to ASM :P
[12:01] <zyga> Kyral_FreeBSD: mature is a way to say it's in maintenance mode, not revolution; I feel c++ to be closer to the latter
[12:02] <nooby_god> how would I find out what a program depends on?
[12:02] <zyga> nooby_god: ldd on the binary is a good start, building it in pbuilder is recommended
[12:03] <zyga> checking out what #includes/imports/uses it has