=== Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-96.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] hmmm... when building typespeed's .dsc, I get this error (scroll down to the end, the rest is just to help you help me) http://pastebin.ca/65641 [12:23] Have you tried building it normally? i.e not in pbuilder? [12:24] make, make install, etc? [12:24] yeah, it installs [12:24] No, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot [12:24] from the source dir? [12:24] The problem is in the debian rules file it seems. [12:24] Yep. [12:24] It seems the problem is to do with dh_fixperms being run. [12:25] Or a problem that dh_fixperms is encountering. [12:25] same error [12:25] my rules file : http://pastebin.ca/65642 [12:27] Ok. The reason it is not working is because no package files are actually being installed. [12:28] ?? [12:28] How did you create the debian/rules file? [12:29] Ok. What is currently in the debian/ directory? [12:29] dh_make, and I changed "dh_installman typespeed.1" to "dh_installman typespeed.6" in the rules [12:29] wait, no, that's not true... [12:29] I copied the rules file from the old 4.4 typespeed's source.... === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@103.160-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] dh_make and I copied the files from the old source... [12:31] Right. [12:31] http://pastebin.ca/65645 [12:31] lol... [12:31] I'm following http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html [12:32] ok === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] hey [12:32] Hey zul. [12:32] hey TheMuso [12:35] any ideas? [12:36] Not really. [12:36] Is the contents of the debian dir that you showed me right after the failed build? [12:36] from right after the failed build I should say. [12:36] yes, [12:37] I made the .dsc, and then I didn't touch it... [12:37] Right. [12:37] touch the debian/ ... I'm not being specific, I know :) [12:38] Well I gotta go and grab some breakfast to help me think. :) [12:39] Be back in a little while. [12:39] kk [12:40] lol, 6:39 PM out here... just had supper :) [12:40] 8:42 AM in Sydney here. :) === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-1-152-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra_ [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] ryanakca: Ok I am back. Have you tried anything else? [01:00] when building typespeed's .dsc, I get this error (scroll down to the end, the rest is just to help you help me) http://pastebin.ca/65641 my rules file : http://pastebin.ca/65642 program builds with make & sudo make install the debian directory was created with dh_make, except that I copied the control, changelog, rules, and copyright from the source of typespeed 4.4 [01:02] Hmm. I would only have copied the control, copyright and changelog files. [01:03] My guess is that the chgrp stuff for typespeed no longer applies, but I can't be sure of that. [01:04] nope... [01:04] I check the build directory... I went ctrl-c before it deleted it all... [01:06] theres nothing in the /usr/games/, and there is no file starting with type in /var/games [01:06] So my guess is that there IS something wrong with the rules... [01:06] Don't forget that when the package gets built and gets put in a temporary placeholder, that the install files generally get palced in something like debian/tmp/usr etc. [01:07] Thats why I was wondering what was in your debian dir after it failed to build. [01:09] kk, I re-extracted the package, and I'm using the dh_make rules, but the old control, changelog, copyright. [01:09] Ok. You may need to modify rules to suit the needs of the package. [01:09] yeah... I had modified the old rules last time.. [01:10] I'll try with dh_make rules, and then I'll modify these as needed... [01:10] Ok. === ryanakca crosses his fingers... [01:13] http://pastebin.ca/65654 [01:13] I need to edit the Makefile... [01:14] right? at least that's what I had done last time... http://pastebin.ca/65655 [01:14] Yes you do. [01:15] install to /usr/games methinks... not /usr/bin.... [01:16] I don't exactly know where games go. [01:16] yep [01:16] /usr/games I think.. [01:16] but then... it's not exactly a "game"... its more of a "learn to type" program... so I'll put it in /usr/bin === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp2-17.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] ok, different error now, it seems to be one that is easyer to fix.... [01:21] http://pastebin.ca/65658 [01:23] THe Makefile doesn't use the DESTDIr variable. [01:23] Which it needs to. [01:24] Sloppy Makefile writers. :S [01:24] hmmm... I COULD do something incredibly stupid to fix that error.. but I wont :) === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] bah, why not? :-) [01:25] chmod 777 ${BIN} , install -s -m 755 typespeed ${BIN} , chmod 755 ${BIN} [01:25] see what I mean? [01:26] That still doesn't help the package build process. [01:26] it doesn't have permission to write to /usr/bin, so fix that... but that gives a split second to any security exploit just waiting to strike [01:27] ryanakca: Would you mind sending me a copy of the Makefile via irc dcc? I will edit it and show you what I mean. [01:27] kk [01:27] what about I put it on my web server [01:27] Thats fine. [01:28] rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Makefile [01:28] Thanks. [01:28] np, brb [01:31] When you are ready, the edited copy s here: http://www.themuso.id.au/Makefile [01:31] The section I have changed is the install section. [01:42] bah, I'm only getting FC5 at 400k/s which is like getting Ubuntu at 80k/s [01:42] heh [01:42] What are you getting FC5 for? [01:43] because DistroWatch said it was better than Dapper :-) === TheMuso grumbles about quota free mirrors not having the DVD isos. [01:43] Right. [01:43] and I haven't seen Fedora since about FC3 [01:44] so I thought I'd give it a shot in qemu [01:44] I have only ever played with FC1. :) [01:44] yuk, I didn't think it was very good, although I've never been very impressed with any Red Hat stuff [01:44] they always end up a lot slower for me [01:45] heh [01:45] Ok. I have found amirror with the DVD. === TheMuso grabs it. [01:45] probably the same one I'm getting it from [01:45] don't steal my bandwidth ;-) [01:46] Meh. 5 hours till it finishes. :) [01:46] Nah, this is a mirror in Australia. [01:46] That I am using. [01:47] hmm [01:47] cause my I dropped to 390k/s ;-) [01:47] s/my// [01:47] Well I am only able to pull 162 KB/s max on my connection. [01:48] And I am currently maxing it out. [01:48] well, I've been able to get 4M/s but that's pretty rare [01:49] Lucky you. [01:49] I am stuck on 1.5mbps here in Australia. === jinty [n=jinty@15.Red-83-50-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] well, I pay (or rather my advisor pays) enough in tuition, I oughta get some decent bandwidth [01:49] Faster speeds are available, but I haven't bothered changing. Won't bother till we move anyway. === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] But Australian broadband is still mostly stone-aged compared to most of the rest of the world. === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.223.95] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] hmm, I'm on 1.5mbps but it is really stable [01:52] So is mine. [01:52] TheMuso, i suggest moving to canberra, i hear they have adsl2+! [01:52] But I'd like more upstream if nothing else. [01:52] I only have 256kbps upstream. [01:53] DarkMageZ: I am pretty sure I can get it on the exchange I am on, but couldn't be bothered changing now, as we will probably be moving in a few months. [01:53] And Canberra is too cold for my liking. :) [01:53] And public transport isn't exactly as good down there. [01:54] they have bicycle lanes, u can go anywhere in canberra on a bike [01:55] When you are vision impaired, that is not exactly practicle. [01:55] morning [01:55] oh, eh, sorry about that [01:55] lol [01:55] np [01:55] Hey ajmitch. [01:55] even for people with perfectly fine vision, bicycling around cities can be a problem [01:56] if canberra is too cold for you, you'd love dunedin :) [01:56] heh [01:56] I wouldn't know though, I live the US, western US at that [01:57] ajmitch: how do you pronounce dunedin? [01:57] stress on the e [01:57] done-ee-din [01:58] hmm [01:58] originally it would have been 2 words [01:58] (scots gaelic) [01:58] hey ajmitch [01:59] hey zul === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] Howdy gang [02:04] hello he who is bddebian [02:04] Heh, hi Kyral [02:04] I haven't gotten anywhere with that libgc thing [02:05] hehe [02:05] dpkg-buildpackage stops at the Make Test thing [02:05] hurd doesn't freeze because I can ^C out of it [02:05] Cool! VOIP for Paris! [02:06] TheMuso: thanks [02:06] np [02:06] Do you understand what I have done to that? [02:07] I'm looking at it atm... [02:07] you added DESTDIR... [02:07] Yep. [02:08] Which should make sure things get placed in the right place when the package gets built in pbuilder./ [02:08] You replaced all the ${PREFIX} with $(DESTDIR)/ by the looks of it [02:08] :) [02:08] I'll try it, thanks [02:09] No problem. [02:11] oops... 1 error http://pastebin.ca/65672 [02:13] hmmm... add mkdir $(DESTDIR)//etc/ before echo ${WORDFILES} > $(DESTDIR)//etc/typespeedrc ? [02:14] Yep. [02:14] yep, it worked... [02:14] Cool. [02:14] hi MOTUs [02:14] hi bmonty [02:15] http://pastebin.ca/65681 [02:15] gobby and VoIP? yikes [02:15] hi bmonty bddebian et. al. [02:15] Heya bmonty, LaserJock, ajmitch, TheMuso, ryanakca, etc :-) [02:16] LaserJock: Yeah I know. [02:16] Gobby is alright for me as it uses GTK2, but I am not sure about teamspeak. [02:16] change ./typespeed --makescores to $(DESTDIR)/${BIN}/typespeed --makescores ? [02:16] Just setting it up now to have a look. [02:16] LaserJock: where was this announced? [02:17] ajmitch: only to the priveleged few ;-) [02:17] hey bddebian..... I figured out how to make a rules file for scons... [02:17] LaserJock: figures [02:17] actually, Keybuck said something about it yesterday, I think [02:17] ryanakca: Great [02:17] ryanakca: Actually I am not sure about that and what it does. [02:18] does a headset include both headphones and mic (man am I old) [02:18] Yes. [02:18] I am so annoyed, because I have a very good set of headphones, but they don't have a mic, and I don't want to use some crummy headset for audio. === lakin_ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] With things that sound like absolute crap [02:18] I have crummy everything === TheMuso is somewhat of an audiophile. [02:19] I'll have to make a trip to Walmart ;-) === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-1-152-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] bddebian: HOWTO for scons rule files... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu?action=show&redirect=KubuntuPackagingGuide#head-14fd9bd07ac2eaf9ff87fdb6c4d054e2ecbf88ec [02:19] Cool. Did you get around it not finding libSDL? [02:20] although it is funny that they use Team Speak, people use that a lot one one of the games I used to play [02:20] TheMuso: hmmm... same here [02:20] nope [02:20] That's one of the many parts I don't understand [02:20] And I think it assumes a few path names, and won't place the files in the correct spot. [02:21] LaserJock: Have you set up teamspeak yet? [02:21] If so, where in the menus can it be found/ [02:21] I haven't found it yet. [02:21] TheMuso: [02:21] --makescores [02:21] Reset/Make scorefiles for the wordfiles found in the dir defined in the configs or if no config files exist, then in the current dir. [02:21] Doesnt start typespeed. [02:21] in what menu? [02:21] oops... sorry all... that was supposed to be 1 line :) [02:21] ryanakca: hmmm [02:22] The best thing to do is just to build the package without installing it anywhere, and run that command and see what happens. [02:22] LaserJock: Thats what I am wondering. [02:22] When you install teamspeak, there is an option to create menu entries for GNOME and KDE. [02:22] BUt I can't find it anywhere. [02:22] It's allready installed... so... [02:22] Unless I need to reload my menus somehow. [02:23] hmmmm.... [02:23] TheMuso: oh, well I haven't gotten that far, I'm on OS X [02:23] Right. [02:24] Ok, teamspeak is out of the question for me. [02:24] Gar! [02:24] really? [02:25] well, I think it is sort of a cool idea === nickpresta [n=nickpres@CPE000625f47ed2-CM0011e6c456e3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] I hope it works [02:25] >_> [02:25] although I'm not crazy about being heard around the world :( [02:26] Cool idea, yes. Accessible, no. [02:26] At least I will be able to use gobby. [02:26] I hope. [02:27] I am interested in giving back to the Linux community and I thought packing would be a good way to do it. Could someone give me a brief rundown (non-technical) of what I would be getting myself into? [02:27] nickpresta: a lot of pain and heartache ;-) [02:27] nickpresta: lots of work [02:27] I've heard the horror stories =P [02:27] hehe [02:28] I just started attempting to package... and after ~ 6 hours, I don't even have a package... [02:28] and it's a simple app... [02:28] it's really a blast, and the people are awesome [02:28] don't listen to ryanakca, he's doind silly things ;-) [02:28] and helpfull :) [02:28] Well, I don't mind putting in time and effort as I would waste it sitting here anyways >_> [02:29] heh [02:29] lol... if you have a question... [whisper] don't tell them I told you this... but the people here are really cool and are awesome when it comes to helping you and answering questions[/whisper] ... SHHH! [02:29] nickpresta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide [02:29] if you want some docs check out http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html and www.debian.org/devel/ [02:29] bddebian: nooooo, not there :-) [02:29] No? [02:30] help.ubuntu.com [02:30] Oh :-) [02:30] the wiki is just my working outline [02:30] Yep, thanks. I was bookmarking them earlier and I plan to get to them later tonight. [02:30] I don't want anybody to see that ;-) [02:31] read the help.ubuntu.com one, as well as The Debian New Maintainers' Guide http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ [02:32] Any specific language I need to be able to program in? [02:32] no [02:34] God, MySQL takes forever to compile [02:35] TheMuso: what's the problem with TeamSpeak? hard to use? [02:36] LaserJock: It isn't accessible at all. Doesn't work with any GNOME/KDE accessibility technologies. [02:36] nickpresta: All of them :-) === slomo__ [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-136-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] I've always been a fan of Ventrilo. I never liked TS [02:36] bddebian: heh, then what are you doing around here ;-) [02:37] :'-( [02:37] TheMuso: bummer man :( [02:37] Damn right. [02:37] I let James know about it. :) [02:37] nice, poke the elmo ;-) [02:37] heh [02:38] LaserJock: ouch... [02:38] thats cold...even for ajmitch [02:38] ;) [02:38] ouch? [02:38] WTF are you all talking about? [02:38] we are using VoIP for Paris [02:39] Team Speak [02:39] whoops...misfire [02:39] so all the world can hear the BOFs [02:39] Ah [02:39] and gobby so we don't trash each others work [02:39] or something like that ;-) [02:39] we used gobby at UBZ [02:39] it's improved a bit since then [02:39] good [02:40] At least gobby uses GTK. [02:40] I heard it was bad [02:40] 1 client crashing doesn't kill off the session everyone is working on :) [02:40] yikes [02:40] it was a little annoying... [02:40] heh [02:40] what are people editing? [02:41] text [02:41] ajmitch: So how does it work exactly? [02:41] ajmitch: well, I figured that === ajmitch has a gobby session open at the moment [02:41] ajmitch: but I thought we would be editing wiki pages [02:41] you are === LaserJock clearly has a lot to learn [02:42] ok [02:42] it's *much* easier to grab the wiki text & stick it in gobby === TheMuso has to see how well it plays with accessibility technologies. [02:42] than to handle conflicts on the wiki & deal with the breakage [02:42] TheMuso: well at least its open source [02:42] ajmitch: right, makes sense [02:42] LaserJock: Yeah, and it uses GTK which is a good start. [02:43] LaserJock: got gobby installed? [02:43] ajmitch: no [02:43] just a sec [02:44] ajmitch: if you are going to demo gobby, I'd like to try it also [02:44] TheMuso: an error... http://pastebin.ca/65689 [02:44] ajmitch: ok, I think it might be up [02:44] bmonty: ok.. [02:45] so connect to ajmitch.dyndns.org [02:45] lets have a group edit of BddebianIsAGod :-) [02:45] hah [02:45] Yeah, please erase it [02:45] ryanakca: I dunno. === sean [n=sean@71-214-92-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] default gobby port should be fine [02:46] (6522) [02:46] ajmitch: password? [02:46] netauth === ajmitch was using it to edit a spec [02:46] Do you guys mind waiting for me? [02:46] Just setting things up here on my lappy with speech to see how things go. [02:48] ajmitch: with somebody else? [02:48] LaserJock: yes [02:50] Can I change the maintainer in the control file to me, since the original maintainer hasn't touched it for over a year, despite some new releases? [02:50] sorry, maybe I should talk over here [02:50] sure [02:51] jeeze, now they are going over my head [02:51] gobby is pretty cool stuff [02:51] how does saving work though? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] LaserJock: saves are done to your local disk [02:52] ah [02:53] and it saves what is currently there? what happens if 2 people edit the same thing? [02:54] Meh. FOr some reason gobby doesn't want to run. Gotta work that out. [02:54] it's 1 editing session === slomo__ [n=slomo@dslb-084-061-132-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] ok, I'm heading home, thanks for the demo ajmitch [02:56] I'll bet that gobby doesn't like GTK accessibility enabled. [02:56] Lets try it without. [02:56] see you later, LaserJock [02:57] Later LaserJock [02:57] Damn damn damn damn damn!!! [02:57] Anybody feel like helping me with a bug hunt who knows GTK2/GNOME stuff? :) [03:01] bddebian will [03:01] Nope, according to LaserJock, I don't belong here [03:01] ajmitch: did you get the info I left you about LDAP TLS/SASL binds on amd64? [03:01] bmonty: I can't recall [03:02] tell me again, I'm running amd64 here [03:02] I run SASL/TLS binds for my server, it works great with my 386 hardware but dies on my amd64 [03:02] the error message is of course useless [03:02] dies on the client side, or server? [03:03] ie, does it work for an i386 client to the amd64 box? [03:03] SASL without TLS works great though, but authentication info is set in the clear [03:03] I haven't setup SASL/TLS properly yet, so I haven't run into it [03:03] it works for i386 client to i386 server, fails with amd64 client to server [03:03] i386 server [03:03] ok [03:04] it is your plan to have SASL/TLS binds, right? [03:04] yeah [03:04] I wonder if a new upstream version will exhibit the same behaviour === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch looks at the openldap debian bugs [03:05] I did some quick googling to see if I could find any issues with libsasl on amd64 but I couldn't find anything [03:06] you think the bug is in libsasl? [03:06] yes [03:07] I get an error that the host isn't found [03:07] hm [03:07] odd [03:07] but I can see the tcp handshake in ethereal [03:07] I'll be back in a few minutes.. [03:07] and then the client sends FIN [03:09] strange [03:10] I'll try & reproduce it here [03:10] filed a bug? [03:14] ajmitch: i haven't filed a bug yet [03:14] might be a good idea to [03:14] launchpad or upstream? [03:15] both, link the launchpad bug to upstream [03:15] were you able to test that URL to my bzr repo? [03:15] will do now [03:16] sigh, I'll probably have to replace a monitor or two soon [03:16] :1:> bzr branch http://www.montynet.org/bazaar/kerberos-manager/ [03:16] bzr: ERROR: http error 302 probing for https://www.montynet.org/error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var [03:16] probably the http->https stuff you've got going on [03:16] hmmm\ [03:17] ok, thanks [03:21] Damn, someone wake up crimsun_ :-) [03:22] why? [03:22] you need some more worship? === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] He was going to look at a package for me [03:23] hi nictuku [03:23] how's the NWU stuff going? [03:23] hi ajmitch [03:24] NWU? [03:24] ajmitch, freezed for a few weeks, but I'm back on it. I just created mailing lists for it, by the way [03:24] cool [03:25] and moved the hosting from a canonical sponsored machine to one I administer myself [03:25] why is that? [03:26] bddebian, http://cetico.org/nwu [03:26] bddebian: eh? [03:27] bddebian: (I'm prepping a presentation for Friday, so I'm a bit busy) [03:27] crimsun_: Did you happen to get a chance to look at that at all? Oh, nevermind [03:27] crimsun_: the deity has requested your presence... [03:27] nictuku: Ah, cool [03:28] TheMuso: Oh Yeah! I finally made that package! === ryanakca does a little "I made my first package" dance [03:28] hehe [03:28] congrats ryanakca [03:28] ryanakca: Congratulations. [03:28] What did you have to do to get that fixed up? [03:28] ajmitch, the guy administering the "ubuntu-br" machine is very busy. I started having problems with infrastructure, like lack of backup etc. [03:29] play with the Makefile... [03:29] Right. [03:29] rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/Makefile [03:30] tah [03:31]