[05:19] <infinity> --as-needed and dlopen should play nicely together...
[05:19] <infinity> I have PHP modules that are dlopened and don't directly depend on all their intransitive deps.
[05:19] <infinity> s/in//
[07:33] <fabbione> pool/main/g/gcc-4.1/gcc-4.1-source_4.1.1-2ubuntu3_all.deb
[07:33] <fabbione> why do we need this???
[07:33] <fabbione> isn't apt-get source enough?
[09:14] <infinity> fabbione: It's so gcj-4.1 can build-dep on it, instead of having a massive duplicated source package.
[09:14] <infinity> fabbione: Will make more and more sense if more compilers get split out of the main build.
[09:15] <fabbione> infinity: ah ok
[09:15] <fabbione> make sense
[09:17] <infinity> Argh, what's happened to my latency?
[09:26] <fabbione> java-gcj-compat depends on java-common (>= 0.25)
[09:56] <infinity> doko: Can you upload a merged java-common to fix that?
[10:43] <doko_> infinity: ok
[11:15] <doko> infinity: done
[11:38] <infinity> doko: Thanks, dude.
[11:38] <doko> infinity: anything else?
[11:40] <fabbione> doko: yes.. 100.000 Euro for infinity to bootstrap this mess please
[11:41] <doko> fabbione: what mess?
[11:41] <fabbione> doko: just teasing ;)
[01:28] <Keybuk> infinity: btw, we're not doing syncs
[01:29] <doko> Keybuk: what's the plan to start these? 
[01:29] <Keybuk> I've yet to find an LP admin to bend to my will to fix the damned zcml so it doesn't throw an exception at me
[02:00] <infinity> Keybuk: Awesome.
[02:06] <doko> 4.1 is the default, thanks infinity :-)
[02:07] <fabbione> i have the feeling infinity is going to open the gates
[02:07] <fabbione> GO INFINITY!
[02:08] <infinity> Gates will open in ~30 mins.
[02:08] <fabbione> neat
[02:08] <infinity> Feel free to initiate some sort of countdown.
[02:09] <fabbione> why?
[02:09] <fabbione> i am not in any need to AWTY you on edgy
[02:09] <fabbione> :)
[02:10] <infinity> Well, putting the buildds in full auto is good for dapper too. :)
[02:10] <fabbione> -29
[02:10] <fabbione> AWTY?
[02:10] <fabbione> -28
[02:10] <fabbione> ;)
[02:23] <Keybuk> full auto buildds you say? :p
[02:24] <Keybuk> now, what was that little poem that Colin taught me?
[02:24] <Keybuk> oh yes
[02:24] <Keybuk> "use -M or I cut your balls off"
[02:26] <Keybuk> infinity: what do you reckon?
[02:26] <Keybuk> -M or not -M? :p
[02:27] <infinity> Not losing your balls sounds good, in theory.
[02:27] <infinity> But since they're not MY balls, I couldn't care less.
[02:27] <Keybuk> but nothing says "edgy is open" like 10,000 e-mails to a mailing list
[02:40] <infinity> Word to that.
[02:40] <infinity> Autosyncs are suppose to go to the autochanges mailing list, but I suspect the soyuz sync tool isn't designed to differentiate.
[02:40] <infinity> (or is it?)
[02:40] <Keybuk> not that I know of
[02:41] <Keybuk> it's process-upload that sends the mails
[02:41] <infinity> Oh, fair point.
[02:42] <Keybuk> actually, it'll be only about 2,500 mails
[02:42] <Keybuk> maybe up to 4,000
[03:09] <infinity> "only".
[03:53] <Keybuk> heh
[03:53] <Keybuk> so, how long do you reckon it'll all take to build?
[03:56] <doko> to build what?
[03:57] <Keybuk> E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G
[03:58] <infinity> doko: Uhh.  What's with the debhelper upload?
[03:59] <infinity> doko: Kamion already synced...
[03:59] <infinity> doko: Did you keep his changes?
[04:01] <doko> infinity: yes, kept all of them
[04:02] <infinity> Okay, cool.  Just got a bit freaked out by the "sync again" upload.
[04:02] <doko> infinity: we need it for the new python stuff to work
[04:30] <fabbione> Keybuk: to build everything?? less than 36 hours... ;)
[04:30] <fabbione> Keybuk: if i can plug the 2x32CPU machines at the DC,  probably less than 8 hours
[04:30] <Keybuk> it takes a significant portion of that just to build gcc
[04:30] <Keybuk> and we have four new gccs
[04:31] <Keybuk> there are only 134 packages that have not changed
[04:31] <fabbione> Keybuk: 2x32 CPU can make 64 buildds in parallel given a proper setup :)
[04:31] <fabbione> Keybuk: it took me 36 hours to build all of dapper including universe on 24 CPU of the same machine (and 1/4 of the memory)
[04:34] <doko> Keybuk: we really should have at least 4core machines, and not a single-CPU build machine for i386 ...
[04:34] <jbailey_> fabbione: It can make 64 buildds sure, until something like gcc or glibc comes along which use make -j =)
[04:35] <fabbione> jbailey: they were there in  my tests too :)
[04:35] <doko> jbailey_: glibc already does, gcc can do as well
[04:35] <jbailey_> Ah, I thought you did for gcc already.
[04:35] <fabbione> jbailey: the load just spikes up to 128.. tought luck.. the Niagara can handle easily
[04:36] <Keybuk> fabbione: if it had working network
[04:36] <jbailey_> You're not happy unless you have a three-digit loadavg =)
[04:37] <fabbione> Keybuk: ??
[04:37] <doko> jbailey_: it's just nicer to debug yet another build failure on hppa in the logs with -j 1
[04:37] <fabbione> Keybuk: they are at the DC and kicking like horses...
[04:37] <fabbione> jbailey: oh yeah.. i start to target to 4 digits now in my tests
[04:37] <doko> fabbione: what's the name of the developer machine?
[04:37] <fabbione> doko: faure
[04:37] <fabbione> doko: but the Niagara are only for me till after release
[04:40] <doko> fabbione: fine, but there will be a Niagara dev-machine?
[04:40] <fabbione> doko: i dunno.
[04:40] <fabbione> we got 2 Niagara at the dc
[04:40] <fabbione> but i have no idea how they will be used 
[04:40] <fabbione> for now they are my bitches to test the installer
[04:42] <Keybuk> infinity: you flipped that switch very quietly
[04:42] <infinity> Keybuk: Shh.
[04:42] <jbailey_> fabbione: One is probably being kept aside for certification and support use.
[04:42] <infinity> Keybuk: It's not very flipped anyway, since SOYUZ BROKE AGAIN.
[04:42] <Keybuk> infinity: is the fire hose empty?
[04:42] <jbailey_> fabbione: I'd guess the other one should probably be a porting box.
[04:42] <infinity> *cough*
[04:43] <Keybuk> heh, what did soyuz do this time?
[04:43] <fabbione> jbailey: i dunno.. they are 2 different machines with slightly different hw.. so they might even both go to certification..
[04:43] <fabbione> jbailey: if it was up to me they would both be my personal develop boxes
[04:44] <fabbione> and i could get rid of the helicopter in here
[04:44] <infinity> Keybuk: slave-scanner's exploding on some fascist new checks that were added in the last rollout, so no builds for j00.
[04:46] <Keybuk> what are the new checks?
[04:47] <infinity> Something to avoid creating duplicate build records or something.  I dunno.  I'm too asleep to care anymore.
[04:47] <infinity> I'll cath you all on the flipside. :)
[04:47] <infinity> (cprov should fix this in the meantime)
[04:49] <Keybuk> ok
[04:49] <Keybuk> so his face is peering down the firehose? :p
[04:50] <fabbione> Keybuk: no don't :) they are already pressured enough to fix some other stuff and be able to release sparc
[04:50] <Keybuk> who cares about sparc? :p
[04:50] <Keybuk> that's like caring about itanic
[04:51] <fabbione> Keybuk: di
[04:51] <fabbione> +e
[04:51] <fabbione> ;)
[05:02] <jbailey_> Keybuk: So is now a bad time to say that I spent a bit of last saturday looking at how to implement ilp32 mode on ia64? =)
[05:02] <Keybuk> jbailey_: yeah, but you like the Hurd ... you don't mind nobody using things :p
[05:43] <Keybuk> ok
[05:43] <Keybuk> could everybody please clear the fire hose
[05:43] <Keybuk> I will not be responsible for anybody peering down it
[05:44] <fabbione> Keybuk: you probably want to tell to -devel ?
[05:44] <fabbione> just to be nice
[05:44] <fabbione> and look cool :P