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| lucasvo | that was a learning session :P | 12:31 |
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| lucasvo | 3h learning biology around midnight | 12:32 |
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| lucasvo | highvoltage: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/lucasvo < there's my todolist | 12:52 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 03:28 |
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| cbx33 | ping LaserJock | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 06:50 |
| cbx33 | hey | 06:50 |
| cbx33 | how are you | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | ack, tired, busy, stressed, and you? :-) | 06:51 |
| cbx33 | just woke up but at the mo, gunky throat, tired, | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | did you get my email | 06:51 |
| cbx33 | just checking | 06:51 |
| cbx33 | I see it | 06:52 |
| cbx33 | can you make me a project admin | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:52 |
| cbx33 | I'm a developer at the mo, and I can't change anything | 06:52 |
| cbx33 | did you see the new layout too? | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | I think | 06:56 |
| cbx33 | you sound unsure, I think you'd probably know if you'd seen it | 07:00 |
| cbx33 | brand new gui....icons......big info window......lots of cool little features ??? | 07:00 |
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| HedgeMage | anyone know when pygi is due back? | 07:02 |
| cbx33 | no | 07:02 |
| cbx33 | could be anytime HedgeMage | 07:02 |
| HedgeMage | ok | 07:02 |
| HedgeMage | btw, thanks again my mom is so ecstatic :) | 07:03 |
| cbx33 | good good | 07:03 |
| cbx33 | did you do some more content with her | 07:03 |
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| cbx33 | speak of the devil :p | 07:08 |
| cbx33 | well speak of pygi anyway :p | 07:08 |
| cbx33 | HedgeMage, is looking for you:p | 07:08 |
| pygi | cbx33, you and your devil :P | 07:09 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, how may I help you? :) | 07:09 |
| HedgeMage | hi pygi | 07:09 |
| pygi | hi hi | 07:09 |
| HedgeMage | just wanted to hash through a few things for cookbook, but I need a few minutes I have phone calls to make | 07:09 |
| pygi | you know it's 7:00 am here, and I gotta run in two minutes? :) | 07:10 |
| pygi | 7:10 am that is :P | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: I think I did, my day has been terrible | 07:10 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: didn't know that... :) when will you be free? | 07:11 |
| pygi | HedgeMage, not sure :P should be 12:00 UTC | 07:11 |
| HedgeMage | ouch | 07:13 |
| HedgeMage | that's the crack of dawn here | 07:13 |
| HedgeMage | I'll catch you when I get up if I can, otherwise I'll give up and email you and we can do it the slow way :) | 07:13 |
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| pygi | HedgeMage, hehe :) | 07:14 |
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| pygi | no worries HedgeMage ;) | 07:17 |
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| jsgotangco | cheers | 07:49 |
| HedgeMage | hi jsgotangco | 07:49 |
| HedgeMage | what's up? | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | I HAVE MY HANDWRITTEN VISA | 07:50 |
| HedgeMage | hrm? | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | long funny story at the embassy | 07:51 |
| jsgotangco | basically their network hasn't been running since wednesday and couldn't issue anything electronically | 07:51 |
| HedgeMage | ouch! | 07:51 |
| HedgeMage | jsgotangco: do you by chance have time for me to /msg you some dumb questions? | 07:52 |
| jsgotangco | sure im in an outdoor hotspot though can't stay long | 07:52 |
| HedgeMage | ok | 07:52 |
| bimberi_ | yay jsgotangco, c'est magnifique n'est pas! :) | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | oui! | 08:09 |
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| jsgotangco | au revoir! | 08:36 |
| HedgeMage | ttyl jsgotangco | 08:36 |
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| highvoltage | bonjour | 09:50 |
| HedgeMage | hi highvoltage | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | hi HedgeMage | 09:52 |
| highvoltage | what's up? | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | can't sleep so I'm putting up the other cookbook info I promised at the meeting | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | at least some of it | 09:52 |
| highvoltage | ok, kewl! | 09:54 |
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| DanielC | Error on the getting started page. The first screen-shot in the "Configuring Thin Client Booting" section (second image) shows "lts.conf" instead of "dhcpd.conf" | 10:29 |
| DanielC | Where can I get a list of keyboard layouts? I'm trying to figure out which one is "British English". | 10:34 |
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| DanielC | I'm editing ltsp.conf; is NETWORK_COMPRESSION good or bad? | 10:45 |
| highvoltage | DanielC: it's generally good | 10:50 |
| DanielC | thanks | 10:50 |
| DanielC | What does it do? | 10:50 |
| highvoltage | it will take slightly more cpu time on your server and thin clients, because it compresses the ssh data that gets sent to the thin clients | 10:51 |
| highvoltage | but it improves your network performance. | 10:51 |
| DanielC | And on thin clients the network is the limiting factor? | 10:51 |
| highvoltage | network bandwidth is often a bigger problem than cpu capability, so in most cases, network compression should improve performance. | 10:51 |
| highvoltage | yes, especially on graphical intensive apps. | 10:52 |
| highvoltage | i haven't tested it extensively yet, or ina lab, | 10:52 |
| highvoltage | but i've tested it with frozen bubble on a two thin clients last week, and it made a significant improvement | 10:52 |
| DanielC | Ok, thanks. | 10:52 |
| DanielC | I enabled it and left a not explaining what it does. | 10:52 |
| DanielC | :-) | 10:52 |
| DanielC | That's good then. These are primary kids and I expect them to play games like frozen bubble. | 10:53 |
| highvoltage | frozen bubble is often kills the network on ltsp :) | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | let us know how that works out ;) | 10:54 |
| DanielC | np :) | 10:54 |
| spacey | hi there | 10:57 |
| spacey | made progress DanielC? | 10:57 |
| DanielC | spacey: Lots. | 10:58 |
| DanielC | Everything works now except sound. | 10:58 |
| spacey | SOUND = Y ? | 10:58 |
| spacey | :) | 10:58 |
| DanielC | tried that :( | 10:58 |
| DanielC | The sound comes off from the server's sound card instead of the client. | 10:58 |
| spacey | hehe | 10:58 |
| spacey | the sound should be outputted to esd | 10:59 |
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| spacey | esd is running? | 10:59 |
| DanielC | Must be if sound is coming out of the server. | 10:59 |
| DanielC | When a client plays an Ogg file the sound comes out of the server. | 11:00 |
| spacey | then i might as well use alsa | 11:00 |
| spacey | s/i/it | 11:00 |
| spacey | what media player do you use? | 11:00 |
| DanielC | I tried Totem. Should that matter? | 11:00 |
| spacey | ok | 11:00 |
| spacey | that should work | 11:00 |
| spacey | well non-gstreamer apps need additional configuration | 11:00 |
| spacey | if you type `ps aux | grep esd` | 11:01 |
| spacey | does that show anything? | 11:01 |
| DanielC | totem-gstreamer didn't work. I later replaced it by totem-xine and that's what I'm running now. | 11:01 |
| HedgeMage | I give up, I'm incapable of writing anything coherent at this hour, especially while dealing with trolls in other chans. | 11:01 |
| spacey | DanielC: hehe | 11:01 |
| spacey | so then you might need to specify it | 11:02 |
| DanielC | spacye: ps aux | grep esd == "/usr/bin/esd - terminate -nobeeps -as 1 -spawnfd 18" | 11:02 |
| spacey | but you should hear gnome sounds anyway | 11:02 |
| DanielC | But you see, if that was the problem then the sounds would not be coming out of the server. | 11:02 |
| DanielC | If the problem was the app, then there would be no sound at all anywhere. | 11:03 |
| DanielC | Right? | 11:03 |
| DanielC | Or am I confused? | 11:03 |
| spacey | partly yes | 11:03 |
| spacey | if you type `gstreamer-properties` | 11:03 |
| spacey | is esound selected? | 11:03 |
| DanielC | one sec... | 11:04 |
| DanielC | output == autodetect | 11:04 |
| DanielC | Options include ALSA, ESD, OSS. | 11:05 |
| spacey | http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig | 11:05 |
| DanielC | *click* | 11:05 |
| spacey | try SOUND = true | 11:05 |
| DanielC | I did. | 11:06 |
| DanielC | I'm happy to try again. | 11:06 |
| spacey | well at least you should keep it in :) | 11:06 |
| DanielC | Should I select "esd" instead of "autodetect"? | 11:06 |
| spacey | i never had to select it | 11:07 |
| DanielC | ok | 11:07 |
| spacey | but it does need to output to esd | 11:07 |
| spacey | just try to restart the client first after you set SOUND = true in lts.conf | 11:07 |
| === DanielC restarts the client | ||
| DanielC | Hmmm... I can hear the Gnome sounds now... | 11:10 |
| DanielC | This is my lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/712541 | 11:11 |
| spacey | if you hear gnome sounds | 11:12 |
| DanielC | totem doesn't work, so it looks like it is the application. | 11:12 |
| spacey | from the client, it should work | 11:12 |
| spacey | well totem-gstreamer would work | 11:12 |
| DanielC | Ok, so I'll add that, and remove totem-xine. | 11:12 |
| spacey | i don't like totem at all, but it should work | 11:13 |
| DanielC | Sound on Firefox doesn't work either. | 11:13 |
| DanielC | Totem is fine, I have no problems with it. | 11:13 |
| spacey | thats because the flash plugin sucks | 11:14 |
| DanielC | :( | 11:14 |
| spacey | afaik the flash plugin only wants to output to OSS | 11:14 |
| DanielC | The same flash video works on my desktop with sound. | 11:14 |
| DanielC | ah | 11:14 |
| DanielC | Well that sucks. | 11:14 |
| spacey | indeed | 11:14 |
| DanielC | totem works! | 11:14 |
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| HedgeMage | hi cbx33 | 11:15 |
| spacey | madness! | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | mornin all | 11:15 |
| spacey | :) | 11:15 |
| spacey | morning | 11:15 |
| DanielC | So... there's probably no way to get sound working with Firefox+Flash? | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | I have it working? | 11:16 |
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| cbx33 | or is this some special case | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | RobinShepheard: did you get my mai? | 11:16 |
| RobinShepheard | hiya everybody | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | hey RobinShepheard | 11:17 |
| RobinShepheard | cbx33: No can't say I did | 11:17 |
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| HedgeMage | RobinShepheard: thanks for the meeting notes, good job :) | 11:18 |
| RobinShepheard | HedgeMage: Where they all right, not too long winded?? | 11:18 |
| HedgeMage | RobinShepheard: they were very good :) | 11:18 |
| DanielC | spacey: There's probably no way to get sound to work with Firefox+Flash? | 11:18 |
| RobinShepheard | I wasn't sure, first time I have had to take minutes | 11:18 |
| cbx33 | DanielC: in what circumstances | 11:19 |
| DanielC | cbx33: Thin client. spacey says that sound only works if you use esd and that the flash plugin will only use oss. | 11:19 |
| DanielC | At least, that's my interpretation of the situation. | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | ah | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | he could very well be right then | 11:20 |
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| Amaranth | the -25 kernel broke my sound | 11:21 |
| DanielC | go back to the old kernel. | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | well, yeah | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | but first i'm going to see what was changed | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | DanielC: esddsp firefox | 11:26 |
| Amaranth | it demolishes performance when you run vmware like that but it shouldn't hurt firefox | 11:27 |
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| DanielC | Does anyone know what "RCFILE_02 = floppyd" does in lts.conf? | 11:50 |
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| ogra | DanielC, it starts the floppyd (which we dont ship) | 12:35 |
| ogra | its an ltsp.org setting | 12:35 |
| DanielC | ogra: What is floppyd? | 12:36 |
| DanielC | Sounds like floppy drive daemon. | 12:36 |
| DanielC | Never heard of such thing though. | 12:36 |
| ogra | i think a local device daemon, but i'm not really awake yet | 12:36 |
| DanielC | ok | 12:36 |
| DanielC | ogra: Where are you located? What time is it for you? | 12:36 |
| ogra | we'll address local devices in an autodetected manner :) | 12:37 |
| ogra | i'm in germany, but i was up until 5 | 12:37 |
| DanielC | ah | 12:37 |
| ogra | so i'm rather on a westamerican TZ ;) | 12:37 |
| DanielC | Looks like you get flexible work hours though :) | 12:38 |
| ogra | well, since my workplace is this channel :) | 12:38 |
| DanielC | cool | 12:38 |
| DanielC | Didn't think of it like that. | 12:38 |
| RobinShepheard | help, I am a bit confused, I am so used to using the mail program 'mail' in my scripts I didn't think about it. It doesn't seem to be installed by default, where is it??? | 12:45 |
| RobinShepheard | I can't seem to find a package just called mail. Does anyone know which package it is part of or if there is a similar package?? | 12:47 |
| RobinShepheard | I suppose I could get around it by re-doing all my scripts in perl and using net::smtp but I would rather avoid that if i can | 12:47 |
| DanielC | How about sendmail? | 12:50 |
| DanielC | I haven't used it much, but I once wrote a shell script that used sendmail. | 12:50 |
| ogra | heh, sendmail is a bit oversized for the task :) | 12:54 |
| ogra | install postfix | 12:55 |
| DanielC | Package 'mailx' provides the command /usr/bin/mail | 12:55 |
| DanielC | Description says "A simple mail user agent". | 12:56 |
| DanielC | Maybe that's the one you want? | 12:56 |
| ogra | there was a simple conclusion that a mailserver isnt really needed on desktop systems, so we dont ship any mailserver by default since breezy | 12:56 |
| DanielC | RobinShepheard: package 'mailx' | 12:56 |
| ogra | mailx is an MUA ... you will still need an MTA :) | 12:56 |
| DanielC | Ok, mailx+postfix | 12:57 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bazaar/LtspManager$ apt-cache show mailx|grep Depends | 12:57 |
| ogra | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), postfix | mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0) | 12:57 |
| ogra | ;) | 12:57 |
| === DanielC just noticed that | ||
| RobinShepheard | DanielC: cheers | 01:05 |
| RobinShepheard | ogra: No problem, cheers for the grep statement | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | man I'm getting so much done today | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | so ogra think gisomount could be useful even to you :p | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | I've expanded the info section it can now pull out ALL iso volumne information :D | 01:13 |
| cbx33 | are there any features you think it could do with? | 01:13 |
| ogra | i susally dont check my isos with md5sum and if i mount an iso i have to do other stuff on the commandline with it, but its usweful to non developers, i'm pretty sure :) | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | ogra: well I'm trying to make it useful to developers too, at least that's what I'd like | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | what other options do you need to mount it with? | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | or are you saying you noramlly | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | just mount it command line and then maipulate on the command line? | 01:15 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: link to gisomount ? | 01:15 |
| ogra | for me as developer an rsync button would be cool that pops up a progress dialog showing the rsync progress ... but thats very much limited to devs and iso testers | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/+branch/gisomount/devel | 01:15 |
| kbrooks | k | 01:15 |
| kbrooks | ty | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I was actually going to do something like that | 01:15 |
| === kbrooks bzr branches :P | ||
| cbx33 | I was going to make a front end for your rsyncer script | 01:16 |
| ogra | ah, cool :) | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | useful? | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | +l | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | -l | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | + brain | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | I'm not all here...been doing too much non-edubuntu work | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | it's not good | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | ogra: do you have any more updates to rsyncer yet? | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | or is it fairly static at the moment? | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | kbrooks: thanks for the python help yesterday | 01:17 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: np | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | I'm still a n00b at it | 01:17 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: nice GUI | 01:18 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 01:18 |
| cbx33 | it's changed a lot since the first conception | 01:18 |
| cbx33 | I did that yesterday | 01:18 |
| cbx33 | it used to look like this | 01:18 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: redundant tabs | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gisomount.png | 01:19 |
| ogra | cbx33, it might evolve, but i wont drop existing features | 01:19 |
| kbrooks | reduce to 1 | 01:19 |
| ogra | i cant say much yet because i will not use it for some months now :) | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | kbrooks: it's like that because.....someone told me to setup everything in glade | 01:20 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: don't listen to them all the time | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | and not to faf around with using python to create massive amounts of g...t.......I've just had a great idea | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | I'll just hide them until they need to be used | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | of course !!! | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | thanks kbrooks | 01:21 |
| kbrooks | g what?:P | 01:21 |
| cbx33 | gtk | 01:21 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: dialogs are intrusive :P | 01:22 |
| DanielC | Is anyone here familiar with gdmXnest? I ssh'd to the client tunnelling X (ssh -X) and ran gdmXnest. I got a new window with the nested X server, but no gdm. | 01:22 |
| DanielC | Don't know what to do... | 01:23 |
| ogra | heh | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | kbrooks: could you submit a bug for that on LP | 01:23 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: your code sucks :P too much all over the place | 01:23 |
| ogra | gdm isnt installed on the client | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | I'll fix that tonight | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | kbrooks: I know | 01:23 |
| ogra | so you cant execute that ... | 01:23 |
| cbx33 | I'd like some suggestions | 01:23 |
| DanielC | ogra: I ssh'd to the server. | 01:23 |
| DanielC | ogra: I mis-wrote. | 01:24 |
| ogra | oh, ok | 01:24 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: can i suggest them here? | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | sure or in pm? | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | I have to pop out for lunch | 01:24 |
| ogra | but you are already sshed to the server at this point | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | but I'll be back | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | alternatively email would be cool too | 01:24 |
| cbx33 | petesavage@ubuntu.com | 01:25 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: look at the info part | 01:25 |
| kbrooks | of the list | 01:25 |
| DanielC | ogra: I just wanted to see if it was possible to run a a remote GUI connection to the server. | 01:25 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: use that ;) | 01:25 |
| cbx33 | kbrooks: I'm confused? | 01:25 |
| DanielC | ogra: (from a regular Linux computer, you now, nested). | 01:25 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: in the GUI, there is a "key | info" | 01:25 |
| === DanielC can't type correctly today | ||
| kbrooks | ah, nm, cbx33 | 01:26 |
| ogra | DanielC, then you should run it remote ;) if you shh -X from a logged in client you ssh to localhost ;) | 01:26 |
| ogra | *ssh | 01:26 |
| kbrooks | im stupid | 01:26 |
| ogra | DanielC, ah, k | 01:26 |
| cbx33 | right I have to dash...but I'll be back...and will be very open to suggestions | 01:26 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: ok | 01:26 |
| ogra | DanielC, you want to run a complete session ? | 01:26 |
| DanielC | ogra: Yes. It's not important, just nice to have. | 01:27 |
| ogra | DanielC, you need a started Xserver on the client (with an xterm or something) and run: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession | 01:28 |
| DanielC | Ok, I'll try that. | 01:29 |
| ogra | i never tried to use ldm for such stuff (i bet some environment variables will be missing the ltsp-client scripts set up) but theoretically you should be able to use it like with a thin client | 01:29 |
| DanielC | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. | 01:29 |
| ogra | oh, right, make sure you have already logged in once with that user via ssh | 01:30 |
| kbrooks | DanielC: ogra? | 01:30 |
| kbrooks | does pmount support loop mounting? | 01:30 |
| ogra | so the hostkey of the server is stored for the user | 01:30 |
| DanielC | ogra: I'm not sure what you mean. I already logged in from a different terminal... Maybe I'm confused. | 01:31 |
| ogra | kbrooks, i dont think so, pitti woould know (he wrote p(itti)mount) | 01:31 |
| kbrooks | is mount -t loop valid? | 01:31 |
| ogra | DanielC, oh, well, that might be your problem then, try another user thats not running an X session already (and has no xauth file lying around) | 01:31 |
| ogra | kbrooks, mount -o loop is valig and will autoload the loop module | 01:32 |
| ogra | *valid | 01:32 |
| ogra | loop is not a filesystem ;) | 01:32 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok, that half-worked. Gnome crashed, but I think I'll stop here. This isn't important enough to spend much time on. | 01:33 |
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| DanielC | What the heck... | 01:34 |
| DanielC | I closed the ssh connection and gaim crashed. | 01:34 |
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| kbrooks | ogra: typo | 01:36 |
| kbrooks | is pmount -t loop valid? | 01:36 |
| DanielC | I'm having problems with gaim. The Gnome gaim applet is gone and now when I close the Buddy List all of gaim quits. | 01:37 |
| ogra | lopp is still no filesystem :) | 01:37 |
| ogra | *loop | 01:37 |
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| ogra | kbrooks, i dont think pmount supports the -o switch | 01:38 |
| EmxBA | hi | 01:39 |
| EmxBA | hi ogra | 01:39 |
| DanielC | What's with today's update? It's huge. | 01:47 |
| DanielC | About 50 packages being updated. | 01:48 |
| EmxBA | at me only 9 | 01:48 |
| EmxBA | i updated all of them yesterday | 01:48 |
| EmxBA | and today again, just only 9 | 01:48 |
| EmxBA | but on Ubuntu :) | 01:48 |
| DanielC | Mine says that the linux kernel was kept back. Why is it kept back? Should I upgrade it? | 01:49 |
| EmxBA | it is kept back at me too. | 01:49 |
| ogra | wait until all pieces are ready | 01:50 |
| DanielC | ogra: What do you mean? | 01:50 |
| ogra | wait until all packages are there so nothing is kept back anymore | 01:51 |
| ogra | there is something missing if a package is kept back | 01:51 |
| EmxBA | maybe you don't have all the packages required for kernel update | 01:51 |
| DanielC | I see. So "kept back" means that there's an update but I should wait for something else before getting it. | 01:51 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:51 |
| EmxBA | right | 01:51 |
| ogra | kept back usually means a depending package isnt there yet | 01:52 |
| DanielC | ok | 01:52 |
| ogra | whats being kept back ? | 01:52 |
| DanielC | ogra: Linux kernel | 01:52 |
| ogra | which package eaxctly ? | 01:52 |
| DanielC | ogra: linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 | 01:52 |
| EmxBA | linux image | 01:52 |
| ogra | yeah they are both metapackages | 01:53 |
| DanielC | ok | 01:53 |
| ogra | http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-image-386 | 01:54 |
| ogra | 22k big :) | 01:54 |
| EmxBA | is nerolinux available for ubuntu | 01:55 |
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| kbrooks | see you later | 01:59 |
| EmxBA | hi pygi | 01:59 |
| DanielC | I'll restart gnome to see if that makes Gaim work again. | 02:01 |
| DanielC | I hate restarting programs. It feels like Windows. | 02:01 |
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| DanielC | That wasn't so bad. | 02:03 |
| DanielC | I only restarted the gnome panel. | 02:03 |
| EmxBA | DanielC: :) | 02:03 |
| EmxBA | feels like windows, really | 02:04 |
| DanielC | Better than rebooting the entire OS though. | 02:04 |
| EmxBA | well, yes | 02:04 |
| DanielC | I didn't even have to close applications besides gaim. | 02:04 |
| DanielC | ogra: Sound is now working on thin clients except for Firefox (ie. Flash). | 02:07 |
| DanielC | ogra: I can play Ogg files with totem-gstreamer but a Flash movie that works on my desktop doesn't work on the thin client. | 02:08 |
| DanielC | ogra: Any ideas? | 02:08 |
| EmxBA | i have the same problem | 02:09 |
| cbx33 | ogra: kbrooks : pmount doesn't support the -o switch | 02:13 |
| ogra | did you try calling firefox with esddsp in front ? | 02:13 |
| DanielC | ogra: what? How do I do that? | 02:14 |
| ogra | the problem with flash is that it needs a LD_PRELOAD avriable ste, but that can crash firefox and is a security hole so the LD_PRELOAD in th efirefox startup wrapper was disabled by our security team | 02:14 |
| ogra | just run: esddsp firefox | 02:15 |
| ogra | and check if it works then | 02:15 |
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| ogra | you might probably have to set options for esddsp, not sure | 02:15 |
| DanielC | Hmm... I can't login to the thin clients again. | 02:18 |
| DanielC | I wonder if my experimentation with X broke something. I can't see how it would though. | 02:19 |
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| DanielC | Damm it. The client won't login anymore. | 02:23 |
| DanielC | The application 'x-session-manager' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0; | 02:24 |
| DanielC | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed | 02:24 |
| DanielC | the application. | 02:24 |
| DanielC | Does anyone know what this means? | 02:24 |
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| DanielC | ogra: Ever seen that before? "x-session-manager lot its connection to the display localhost:10.0; most likely the X server was shut down" | 02:30 |
| DanielC | ogra: ldm.conf says "X11 connection rejected becaue of wrong authentication" | 02:32 |
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| DanielC | I've tried rebooting the server, running ltsl-update-kernels, ltsp-update-sshkeys and rebooting the client. But no change. | 02:39 |
| DanielC | Here is ~/.xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/712839 | 02:41 |
| DanielC | Moving lts.conf away doesn't change anything. | 02:44 |
| DanielC | Ok, I can login with a *different* *account* | 02:45 |
| DanielC | So the problem is with the user account itself. | 02:45 |
| DanielC | I moved ~/.Xauthority* away and now I can log in. But Gnome is messed up... | 02:47 |
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| ogra | in which way ? | 02:50 |
| ogra | (sorry was afk) | 02:50 |
| DanielC | ogra: The icons are wrong, and it gives me errors that some apps (applets I think) crashed. | 02:51 |
| DanielC | it's definitely usable, just ugly. | 02:51 |
| DanielC | And it's only with this one account. | 02:52 |
| DanielC | I'm moving every config file into another directory. | 02:52 |
| ogra | looks like gnome-settings-daemon didnt like your mucking around with xauth | 02:52 |
| ogra | check the permissions of the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs | 02:53 |
| DanielC | Yes, it's gnome-settings-daemon | 02:53 |
| DanielC | ogra: what should those permissions be? 755/644? | 02:53 |
| ogra | 700 | 02:54 |
| DanielC | ok | 02:54 |
| ogra | and they should be owned by the user indeed | 02:54 |
| DanielC | They look alright. | 02:55 |
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| ogra | is an old gnome-settings-daemon still running ? | 02:57 |
| DanielC | How can I test for that? I doubt it because I rebooted the server. | 02:57 |
| DanielC | "ps aux|grep settings" shows only one. | 02:58 |
| ogra | ok, thats not it then | 02:58 |
| DanielC | When Gnome starts it says "the daemon restarted too many times; I'll try to restart it next time you log in" | 02:59 |
| DanielC | Logging in again doesn't change the error. | 02:59 |
| ogra | try moving the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs away | 02:59 |
| DanielC | I did. It still complains. | 03:01 |
| DanielC | I logged out and logged back in and I got *fewer* errors the second time. | 03:02 |
| DanielC | All the "such and such crashed" errors are gone. But still complains about the settings daemon. | 03:02 |
| ogra | there must be something left in the /tmp dir i guess thats operating with the wrong xauth file form your ssh -X try | 03:04 |
| DanielC | I see /tmp/gconfd-admin | 03:04 |
| slashdevnull | Hello and good morning (whatever time it is in your time zone) | 03:04 |
| cbx33 | ping kbrooks | 03:05 |
| DanielC | ogra: Is it safe to log everything out and run 'rm -r /tmp/*' ? | 03:05 |
| ogra | should be, yes ... do it as a user, so you cant kill important stuff | 03:05 |
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| DanielC | ogra: That fixed it. Thanks! | 03:07 |
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| ogra | Accepted ltsp-manager 0.0.1-1 (source) | 03:15 |
| ogra | yippie ! | 03:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: w00t | 03:15 |
| bddebian | Hello | 03:15 |
| slashdevnull | ogra: Just wanted to say thinaks yet again, and let you know of an issue I'm running into with ltsp | 03:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra: think you got a minute at somepoint soon to have a quick ganders at my code? | 03:15 |
| DanielC | ogra: Is that the one you showed us the other day? Yay! | 03:15 |
| ogra | yeps, thats the initial upload of the management gui | 03:17 |
| ogra | now it just needs the meissing features :) | 03:17 |
| cbx33 | nice one ogra :D | 03:17 |
| slashdevnull | Actually, I need to do a little more testing before laying out more ltsp troubles. | 03:17 |
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| slashdevnull | Oooh, ltsp-manager! Spiff! | 03:17 |
| cbx33 | after it's been optimised | 03:18 |
| ogra | cbx33, Laser_away and me will approve it if the packaging is ok, so dont worry | 03:18 |
| cbx33 | ogra: thanks, i just need someone to give me some advice on the code | 03:18 |
| cbx33 | after kbrooks said it was crap | 03:19 |
| ogra | you can change it the next 4 months still ... | 03:19 |
| ogra | uploading it will get you users that file bugs ... | 03:19 |
| ogra | so focus on getting it out, you can do changes later | 03:19 |
| cbx33 | ogra: even if it's incomplete | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | and buggy? | 03:21 |
| ogra | sure | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | if that's the case, | 03:21 |
| ogra | ltsp-manager is far from being complete | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | I would really relaly appreciate you glancing over it | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | and if you say it's cool I'll ask Laser_away and you to put it in | 03:22 |
| ogra | its just important to fix it until release | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | I know Laser_away is really really busy right now | 03:22 |
| slashdevnull | DanielC, what do I have to do to get sound working in ltsp? | 03:22 |
| ogra | getting bugs and feedback is very important to get it right | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | he's been wanting to add code to gisomount but just hasn't had the time | 03:22 |
| slashdevnull | The wiki mentions modifying source code...? | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | I know | 03:22 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, ?? | 03:22 |
| highvoltage | hey everyone | 03:23 |
| ogra | can you point me to that wikipage please so i can correct it ? | 03:23 |
| cbx33 | hey MNr highvoltage | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | ogra: when are you leaving for Paris, on Sunday? | 03:23 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: hey! | 03:23 |
| slashdevnull | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientAudioSupport mentions code to be added to ldm | 03:23 |
| slashdevnull | Ah, nm. Wrong wiki. :P | 03:23 |
| cbx33 | howz it going | 03:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage, saturday evening/night ... i dont like driving long distance during the day | 03:23 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, that was the spec for the implementation | 03:24 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, its *not* a howto | 03:24 |
| DanielC | ogra: Now sound doesn't work on totem-gstreamer. It just works logging into gnome (you know, the login sounds). | 03:24 |
| ogra | did you play with your multimedia settings ? (dont do that) | 03:25 |
| cbx33 | heheheh | 03:25 |
| DanielC | ogra: Not that I know of. | 03:25 |
| highvoltage | lol | 03:25 |
| slashdevnull | ok, ogra. Thanks | 03:25 |
| DanielC | At least, not since last time it worked. | 03:25 |
| ogra | the gstreamer properties should use the autodetection sink (default)... else you wont have ltsp sound | 03:26 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 03:26 |
| DanielC | I don't think I've touched totem or gstreamer settings beyond moving ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome* to another directory. | 03:27 |
| slashdevnull | So, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams is out of date? It mentions that SOUND is not yet implemented. | 03:27 |
| ogra | the autosink iterates over all possible output methods and picks the best one *unless* it sees that you are logged in via ltsp, then it points directly to the forwarded esd output | 03:27 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, see the line at the top please | 03:27 |
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| ogra | its still recent for what it was written for | 03:28 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: would you want me to use the script as it is? | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | the rsync one that is? | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | then it would help interoperability | 03:30 |
| ogra | feel free to make improvements, patches accepted ;) | 03:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I oculd never patch you :p | 03:30 |
| ogra | sure you could ;) | 03:30 |
| DanielC | I ran totem with the --debug flag and the only message is "failed to initialize lirc". | 03:31 |
| DanielC | I don't know what lirc is. | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I'm gonna make some dummy isos | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | so I can try it easy | 03:31 |
| cbx33 | and quickly | 03:31 |
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| cbx33 | ogra | 03:35 |
| cbx33 | your rsync script | 03:35 |
| cbx33 | the actual rsync bit does, rsync -az --progress rsy....iso iso iso | 03:36 |
| cbx33 | why three parameters | 03:36 |
| ogra | one would suffice ... | 03:36 |
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| cbx33 | so why the three? | 03:37 |
| cbx33 | :p | 03:37 |
| cbx33 | just outta interest | 03:37 |
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| ogra | no idea | 03:38 |
| ogra | :) | 03:38 |
| ogra | *shrug* | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | ok :p i get it | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | IDWIWIJD | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | I don;t know why it works, it just does ! | 03:39 |
| rodarvus | hi guys | 03:39 |
| kholerabbi | Hello :) | 03:39 |
| DanielC | Ok, let's go for a different problem. When I login as a different user I get no sound at all (not even the login sound). When I start totem I get the error "could not connect to sound daemon". | 03:39 |
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| DanielC | This is a user I added early, before doing most of the configuration. But why would one user get sound and the other not? | 03:40 |
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| ogra | morning rodarvus | 03:45 |
| rodarvus | hi there, ogra | 03:46 |
| rodarvus | I've seen ltsp-manager was already uploaded to edgy ;) | 03:46 |
| rodarvus | great news | 03:46 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:46 |
| ogra | i'm just creating a branch for it in LP | 03:47 |
| cbx33 | ogra: how soon do you think gisomount could be in? | 03:47 |
| DanielC | spacey: Hi. Do you have any idea why sound would work for one user but not another? (I'm speaking of the Gnome login sound and a brand new user). | 03:47 |
| ogra | cbx33, lets wait for Laser_away | 03:47 |
| cbx33 | oh yeh sure | 03:48 |
| rodarvus | DanielC, different users might have different sound servers configured - that might be the reason | 03:48 |
| cbx33 | i was speaking hypothetically | 03:48 |
| DanielC | rodarvus: Ok. How do you configure a sound server for a user? | 03:48 |
| ogra | rodarvus, nope ... by default ltsp should fall back to esd for all users ... | 03:48 |
| ogra | the gstreamer autosink cares for that ... | 03:49 |
| rodarvus | oh | 03:49 |
| ogra | (which is the default setting for all new users) | 03:49 |
| DanielC | :( | 03:49 |
| DanielC | ogra: Could sabayon get in the way of that? | 03:49 |
| ogra | look with the env command if ESPEAKER is set for that user | 03:49 |
| ogra | (and where it points to) | 03:49 |
| ogra | usually that should be clientIP:port | 03:50 |
| ogra | where port is 16001 | 03:50 |
| DanielC | It is. | 03:50 |
| cbx33 | DanielC: i hope you're documenting all this :p | 03:50 |
| cbx33 | would be good others wanting to do the same | 03:50 |
| ogra | hmm, is the client the same hardware as the former ? | 03:51 |
| DanielC | 192.168.17.247:16001 | 03:51 |
| ogra | (might be a driver prob) | 03:51 |
| DanielC | cbx33: I've been documenting all the solutions I've found. When I solve sound I'll document that too. | 03:51 |
| cbx33 | nice DanielC | 03:51 |
| DanielC | ogra: But why would a driver problem affect different users differently. | 03:51 |
| ogra | not different user, different clients | 03:52 |
| ogra | *users | 03:52 |
| DanielC | This is the same physical client. | 03:52 |
| ogra | ok | 03:52 |
| DanielC | When I tried an old user (that I configured early one) totem gave the error "could not connect to sound daemon". When I created a brand new user, totem didn't give that error, but still doesn't play sounds. | 03:53 |
| ogra | is there a .esd-{$UID} directory in /tmp with that users UID ? | 03:54 |
| DanielC | I see .esd-100 and .esd-101 | 03:54 |
| ogra | 100 ??? | 03:54 |
| DanielC | oops | 03:54 |
| ogra | sure youre not missing a 0 ? | 03:54 |
| DanielC | 1000 and 1001 | 03:54 |
| ogra | good :) | 03:54 |
| DanielC | :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | and is one of the users logged in locally on the server ? | 03:55 |
| DanielC | I just checked /etc/passwd and those are the user IDs I'd expect. | 03:55 |
| DanielC | Yes. | 03:55 |
| DanielC | One is logged in locally on the server (1000) and the other on the thin client (1001). | 03:56 |
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| DanielC | 1001 is the one that doesn't work. If I log 1000 into the client I hear the Gnome login sounds. | 03:56 |
| ogra | hmm, that might cause it ... could you try with only client connections ? might be that a locally running esd confuses it ... | 03:56 |
| cbx33 | ogra: do you know how to setup an rsync server? | 03:56 |
| DanielC | ok, I'll loge out from the server. | 03:56 |
| ogra | cbx33, i think its just installing the server and enabling it in /etc/default | 03:57 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 03:58 |
| cbx33 | i suppose one still needs to create the rsyncd.conf file | 03:58 |
| ogra | you'll likely have to set the served path anywhere, but dont ask me where :) | 03:58 |
| DanielC | ogra: I logged everyone out. I saw that the /tmp/.esd* directories vanished. I then logged in user 1001. Saw that /tmp/.esd-1001 appeared. But no sound came off. | 03:59 |
| ogra | hrm | 03:59 |
| ogra | any errors in the logs ? | 03:59 |
| ogra | .xsession-errors might have something | 03:59 |
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| DanielC | ** (gnome-session:7213): WARNING **: Esound failed to start. | 04:00 |
| ogra | aha | 04:00 |
| ogra | you are sure you dont have fiddled with any settings in gstreamer-properties ? | 04:01 |
| DanielC | ogra: Earlier I replaced totem-gstreamer by totem-xine and then put totem-gstreamer back in. | 04:01 |
| DanielC | ogra: I can't think of anything else. | 04:02 |
| DanielC | If I did, it was not knowingly. I wish there was a way to test this better. | 04:02 |
| ogra | i mean the multimedia settings app (gstreamer-properties) did you change anything ther ? | 04:02 |
| ogra | e+ | 04:02 |
| DanielC | The GUI one? No, I haven't touched it. | 04:02 |
| DanielC | Of course, when I was trying to fix the login problem I moved a lot of ~/.* files away. But that would only affect the user account 1000 (the one that does have sound). | 04:04 |
| ogra | it shouldnt matter | 04:05 |
| DanielC | indeed | 04:06 |
| ogra | please run gstreamer-properties and check that the autosink is selected for both users | 04:06 |
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| DanielC | ogra: Ok, I have gstreamer-properties in front of me and under output I see "Pipeline: autoaudiosink". I click "Test" next to it and hear nothing. Is that what you meant? | 04:07 |
| ogra | yes | 04:08 |
| ogra | can you check that for both users please ? | 04:08 |
| ogra | if one is set to esd that might be the problem | 04:08 |
| DanielC | ogra: If I change output to ESD and test it says "could not connect to ESD" | 04:08 |
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| DanielC | ogra: The other user looks the same except that the test works. | 04:10 |
| ogra | thats weird | 04:10 |
| DanielC | (output: autodetect; pipeline: autosink) | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | bbl ghuys | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | ogra: expect a beta of grsyncer soon :p | 04:11 |
| ogra | *g* | 04:11 |
| ogra | try to find some better names ... putting a g in front of everything feels like KDE :) | 04:11 |
| DanielC | :) | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | OgraSync :p | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | excellent that feels much better :p | 04:13 |
| slashdevnull | heh | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | bbl guys | 04:13 |
| ogra | DanielC, damned, i have an idea ... (which would be a bit odd if it worked) can you reboot the client, log in with the user who had no sound and see if it works then ? | 04:14 |
| DanielC | ogra: gstreamer-properties says in STDERR: "Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdmon'" (among others) | 04:14 |
| DanielC | ogra: I'll try anything. | 04:14 |
| DanielC | What do I do? | 04:14 |
| ogra | i suspect there is an esd process left running on the client that is still owned by the first user ... | 04:15 |
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| ogra | just reboot the client and log in with the 1001 user | 04:15 |
| DanielC | ok... | 04:15 |
| ogra | if thats the case i have a fix from debian for it, might be a dapper-updates candidate ... | 04:16 |
| DanielC | Rebooting... | 04:16 |
| ogra | btw, do you have more than one client around there ? | 04:17 |
| slashdevnull | I must be missing something somewhere. Is there anything more that I should need to do than specify sound=true in lts.conf? I'm assuming that the answer is a resounding 'yes'. | 04:17 |
| slashdevnull | I must not be looking at the right docs. Again. :P | 04:17 |
| ogra | the variable needs to be uppercase (as all lts.conf variables) | 04:18 |
| slashdevnull | Sound tests in my environment, from the thin client, play on the server's speakers. | 04:18 |
| ogra | SOUND=True will work | 04:18 |
| ogra | then the variable wasnt read on client boot | 04:18 |
| slashdevnull | I have SOUND=True | 04:19 |
| ogra | and you rebooted the client ? | 04:19 |
| slashdevnull | Yes. I can try again. | 04:19 |
| slashdevnull | Does inital spacing (indenting) matter? | 04:19 |
| slashdevnull | in lts.conf? | 04:19 |
| ogra | (lts.conf is only read once on boot, changes dont take effect if you dont reboot the client) | 04:19 |
| DanielC | ogra: it works | 04:20 |
| DanielC | ogra: It looks like whoever logs in first grabs the sound daemon. | 04:20 |
| ogra | DanielC, ok, do you have a second client available ? | 04:20 |
| DanielC | ogra: No, sadly no. Just one client. | 04:20 |
| ogra | so you can test the other user simultanely on a second client | 04:20 |
| ogra | sad ... | 04:20 |
| DanielC | I have another computer that could be turned into a client I think. | 04:21 |
| ogra | would be good to confirm | 04:21 |
| DanielC | I'm sure I can find a monitor, cables, etc to setup another client if need be. | 04:21 |
| slashdevnull | "Sound requested bu /dev/dsp is missing". Looks like that could be it. | 04:21 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok. This will take several minutes. I'll be back. | 04:22 |
| ogra | theoretically if you swap the users on the clients sound must come out of the wrong client if my suspicion is correct | 04:22 |
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| DanielC | ogra: Ok, I'll look for that. | 04:22 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, what kind of client is that = | 04:22 |
| ogra | ? | 04:22 |
| ogra | looks a bit like the soundcard isnt supported | 04:23 |
| slashdevnull | It's a Dell Dimension 5150. | 04:23 |
| ogra | with onboard sound i suspect | 04:23 |
| slashdevnull | lemme check the soundcard... | 04:23 |
| ogra | worst casde its ISA ... that will get very very tricky ... | 04:23 |
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| ogra | *case | 04:23 |
| salleschool | Hello again | 04:24 |
| slashdevnull | Yeah, it's an onboard sound card | 04:24 |
| ogra | any idea if its PCI or ISA ? | 04:24 |
| slashdevnull | getting specifics now... | 04:24 |
| salleschool | I'm still hitting my head againts the screen | 04:24 |
| ogra | (HW manufacurer like to use ISA because its way cheaper but you have to set it with IRQ and the like ... its no fun) | 04:25 |
| salleschool | Don't worry It's an old screen | 04:25 |
| salleschool | let's see | 04:25 |
| ogra | many laptops have ISA soundcards because of that | 04:25 |
| salleschool | I pushed out edubuntu :( | 04:25 |
| salleschool | I have installed ubuntu :) | 04:26 |
| ogra | salleschool, ?? | 04:26 |
| salleschool | and then i have installed ltsp4.2 | 04:26 |
| salleschool | but now atftpd is not working | 04:26 |
| === ogra points salleschool to #ltsp for support, we have nothing to do with ltsp 4.2 here | ||
| slashdevnull | ogra: pci. inetl 82801g | 04:27 |
| slashdevnull | Er, intel | 04:27 |
| ogra | but aftp is unmaintained in ubuntu anyway (at least i havent seen anybody touching it for ages and its in universe (unsupported)) | 04:27 |
| salleschool | so I must install another tftpd, which one? | 04:28 |
| ogra | salleschool, please ask in #ltsp i dont support ltsp 4.2 | 04:28 |
| ogra | its not in ubuntu at all | 04:29 |
| salleschool | ok, sorry | 04:29 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, should be covered by snd-intel8x0 | 04:29 |
| salleschool | I will ask there | 04:29 |
| slashdevnull | ogra: If I was to build out an ltsp environment for a school using Edubuntu or Ubuntu 6.06, are there any good hardware do/don't guides out there? So I don't buy a bunch of thins with the wrong video/sound hardware, etc.? | 04:29 |
| ogra | well, usually every PCI card should work | 04:30 |
| ogra | ISA can made working, but as i said its very tricky to set up and requires lots of manual work | 04:30 |
| slashdevnull | ok. I'm not concerned about making it work in the test environment I'm running right now. | 04:31 |
| DanielC | ogra: I can't test :( The other computer's power supply is dead. | 04:31 |
| slashdevnull | ogra, you're a paid *ubuntu employee, right? I hope you are, for all of the questions I'm throwing at you. ;) | 04:32 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, yes, i am :) | 04:32 |
| slashdevnull | good on you. :) | 04:32 |
| DanielC | ogra: The only computer I have left is one whose sound hardware doesn't work with Linux anyways. However, I can say that when I booted it and logged in as the original user I did not hear sound coming from the first client. | 04:33 |
| rodarvus | brb | 04:34 |
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| ogra | DanielC, could you file a bug like: "esd isnt killed on logout on the client and runs with wrong permissions from new users logging in" ? | 04:35 |
| ogra | against ltsp and assigned to me ? | 04:35 |
| DanielC | That's launchpad.ubuntu.com? | 04:35 |
| ogra | yep | 04:35 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 04:36 |
| ogra | launchpat.net, sorry | 04:36 |
| DanielC | Looks like it's the same thing. | 04:36 |
| ogra | a bug will make it official enough for me to work on it for dapper-updates i hope | 04:37 |
| DanielC | Ok. | 04:37 |
| ogra | anyway, it will only happen if users log out and other users log in ... for now the workaround would be to reboot the client before another user logs in | 04:37 |
| ogra | its ugly, but should help | 04:37 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok. That would work alright for this setup. | 04:38 |
| DanielC | We'll have one user per PC. | 04:38 |
| ogra | ah, k | 04:38 |
| ogra | that shouldnt produce probs then, but thanks for tracking that bug :) | 04:39 |
| DanielC | We /were/ planning to have everyone share the same account, but decided that this just wouldn't work. | 04:39 |
| DanielC | So we went for the next simplest thing. One account per PC. | 04:40 |
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| DanielC | ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/49997 | 04:43 |
| DanielC | ogra: I didn't see an option to assign the bug to anyone. | 04:43 |
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| ogra | i'll grab it, thanks a bunch | 04:43 |
| DanielC | thank you :) | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:44 |
| ogra | DanielC, well, you cant assign bugs if the ubuntu component is selected :) | 04:44 |
| ogra | selecting ltsp as the package enables assignments :) | 04:44 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok :) I'm not familiar with Ubuntu's version of bugzilla yet. | 04:45 |
| ogra | hey jsgotangco | 04:45 |
| ogra | lol | 04:45 |
| ogra | LOL | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | hey ogra | 04:45 |
| === jsgotangco is packed | ||
| DanielC | ogra: In any event... if I login to another PC with a different user account, should I expect sound to work? | 04:45 |
| ogra | hey we are pushing a revolutionary new bugtracker, dont call it "bugzilla" if any launchpad people are around *g* | 04:46 |
| DanielC | he he | 04:46 |
| ogra | DanielC, yes | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: i bought something for you | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:46 |
| DanielC | That would be good enough for my use case. Thanks. | 04:46 |
| ogra | for me ? | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:46 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, a throuserbag ashtray ? | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | oh crap | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | i should have bought you one | 04:47 |
| slashdevnull | Groovy. SOunds works great on my other system (add-on sound card). | 04:47 |
| ogra | lol | 04:48 |
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| ogra | slashdevnull, hmm, thats odd ... wait until crimsun is up, he's the alsa guy and might want to know abut it | 04:49 |
| slashdevnull | kayo. Thanks | 04:51 |
| slashdevnull | Now that I have a functining environment, maybe I should re-write launchpad in Rails. ;) | 04:52 |
| === slashdevnull laughs maniacally, then ducks | ||
| ogra | rodarvus, do you know if we get a budget now that we are a "real department" inside the company ? | 04:52 |
| ogra | slashdevnull, ask #launchpad if they like that *g* | 04:52 |
| rodarvus | ogra, hopefully, yes (as soon as RichardW arrives) | 04:52 |
| slashdevnull | I'd rather not, if it's all the same. launchpad is cool. | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | budget? | 04:53 |
| ogra | rodarvus, i think we should have another edubuntu summit as well (but thats up to richard i guess) | 04:53 |
| rodarvus | yeah, I agree | 04:53 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, we're the educational DEPARTMENT inside of canonical now :) | 04:53 |
| ogra | not just "ogra who builds that edu distro" anymore ;) | 04:54 |
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| gagredo | hi | 04:54 |
| rodarvus | jsgotangco, ogra and I will report to the Education Program/Project (?) Manager, starting next month | 04:54 |
| === jsgotangco is clueluess atm | ||
| ogra | jsgotangco, you werent at the last meeting, right ? | 04:55 |
| rodarvus | I'll be right back | 04:55 |
| gagredo | I'm having a problem with edubuntu installation | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | yes i was busy fighting with bureaucracy | 04:55 |
| ogra | gagredo, did you follow the gettingstarted guide (see the channel topic) | 04:55 |
| === jsgotangco only got to breathe properly today | ||
| gagredo | when LTSP installation the computer stops | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | well ive been hearing about a program manager thing but didnt know its already in place | 04:56 |
| gagredo | and can't continue | 04:56 |
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| gagredo | I think was a problem of the iso image but i'm already make the MD5SUM and it was correct | 04:56 |
| gagredo | then I burn at 8x but the problem persist | 04:57 |
| th1a | Wait, what? Is there an educational program manager? | 04:57 |
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| gagredo | any suggestions or help? | 04:57 |
| ogra | gagredo, "the computer stops" | 04:57 |
| ogra | can you define that a bit more precise ? | 04:57 |
| ogra | th1a, yep | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | th1a: fairly new but was planned before | 04:57 |
| gagredo | ogra thanks | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: is this Mr JaneW? | 04:58 |
| ogra | LOL | 04:58 |
| ogra | yes, that is Mr. JaneW | 04:58 |
| gagredo | I want to say that the installations doesn't continue | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | ahh so it happened | 04:58 |
| ogra | gagredo, how are the symptoms of that ? | 04:58 |
| th1a | I heard it was coming from Helen, but I was expecting a posting or something. | 04:58 |
| th1a | Who is it? | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | helen? | 04:58 |
| ogra | (screenn goes rad and you have an error, the system just locks up, screen switches off etc) | 04:58 |
| th1a | Helen King from TSF. | 04:58 |
| ogra | who is helen ? | 04:59 |
| ogra | aha | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 04:59 |
| ogra | nope its not TSF realted | 04:59 |
| ogra | *related | 04:59 |
| th1a | She's my main contact with the rest of the Shuttleworth universe. | 04:59 |
| ogra | and i think mark tries to keep both as distinct as possible | 04:59 |
| th1a | Yeah, I knew it was a Canonical thing. | 04:59 |
| ogra | to not be blamed for mixing stuff up between the companies | 05:00 |
| th1a | So is there any info about this anywhere? | 05:00 |
| highvoltage | th1a: about? | 05:00 |
| ogra | there are meeting records anywhere | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: hey! | 05:00 |
| highvoltage | hey jsgotangco | 05:00 |
| th1a | This hiring? Who this person is? | 05:00 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: did you get your papers sorted out? | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | th1a: Richard Weideman? he used to work for HP. | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: yes!!! just in time :) | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | hehe me too | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: they made it extra special by making it HANDWRITTEN | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | muhahaha | 05:01 |
| th1a | highvoltage: Thanks. | 05:01 |
| gagredo | ogra, the system just locks up | 05:01 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm back to back huge updates | 05:01 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, keep it, frame it :) | 05:02 |
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| ogra | gagredo, how does that happen, does the screen go black and everything stops ? | 05:02 |
| DanielC | Edubuntu doesn't come with Apache, right? | 05:03 |
| gagredo | ogra, someone says me that could probably solve if I use the noapic advanced option, what do yo thing? | 05:03 |
| slashdevnull | gotta roll. thanks for all the help, ogra. good luck, DanielC. | 05:03 |
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| ogra | DanielC, nope but you can easily install it | 05:04 |
| ogra | gagredo, try it | 05:04 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok, thanks. | 05:04 |
| ogra | gagredo, it really matters whats going wrong | 05:04 |
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| EmxBA | hi everyone | 05:05 |
| EmxBA | i would like you to help me | 05:05 |
| highvoltage | EmxBA: i think you need to be more specific :) | 05:05 |
| DanielC | he he | 05:05 |
| EmxBA | i cannot set up aiglx, thatis everything works | 05:06 |
| EmxBA | just resolution is always 640x480 | 05:06 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i just read your wiki page. i think it was written before you started working at canonical :) | 05:06 |
| EmxBA | i can give you my xorg.conf | 05:06 |
| EmxBA | it is here:pastebin.com/713010 | 05:06 |
| ogra | highvoltage, waaay before, yes | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:07 |
| EmxBA | highvoltage: any help? i tried #ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl and almost nobody helps me | 05:07 |
| EmxBA | most of tjem are idle | 05:07 |
| EmxBA | *them | 05:07 |
| ogra | EmxBA, nobody here has experience with it and its really not the appropriate channel for it... i suspect you have to wait for someone to answer in #ubuntu-xgl | 05:08 |
| EmxBA | huh..... | 05:08 |
| EmxBA | OK | 05:08 |
| gagredo | ogra, everything stops | 05:09 |
| highvoltage | EmxBA: i don't know, i've never even heard of iaxgl before | 05:09 |
| ogra | highvoltage, its a extension for xorg in pre beta quality | 05:10 |
| DanielC | How do you become a MOTU? | 05:10 |
| highvoltage | as everything with 'xgl' in it, it seems :) | 05:10 |
| ogra | xorg 7.1 will have it ... its enabling compisite and the like | 05:10 |
| highvoltage | aaah ,ok. | 05:10 |
| highvoltage | did someone say that edgy will feature xorg 7.1? | 05:10 |
| ogra | DanielC, first become a member, then help in #ubuntu-motu with packaging and bugfixing | 05:10 |
| ogra | highvoltage, it will | 05:11 |
| DanielC | ogra: ok | 05:11 |
| highvoltage | ogra: is there anything we need to do for the summit, something that i might not have done yet, that i need to? | 05:11 |
| highvoltage | i'm just going to make some notes of ideas and put it up on launchpad+wiki so long. | 05:12 |
| ogra | DanielC, becoming a menber starts with creating a personal wikipage and signing the code of conduct in launchpad :) | 05:12 |
| DanielC | ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera where do I sign? :) | 05:12 |
| ogra | highvoltage, prepare for the BOfs you will attend, if there is code to be inspected, do it now ... | 05:12 |
| ogra | DanielC, in launchpad at your personal page | 05:13 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok | 05:13 |
| gagredo | ogra, thanks a lot | 05:14 |
| gagredo | ogra, for trying to help me | 05:14 |
| gagredo | ogra, i've got some ideas from the chat | 05:14 |
| gagredo | bye bye | 05:15 |
| ogra | gagredo, so you cant switch consoles anymore (i.e. hitting alt-f4) ? | 05:15 |
| th1a | ogra: did you used to be the Technical Lead for edubuntu? | 05:15 |
| DanielC | ogra: Do I sign both 1.0 and 1.0.1? | 05:15 |
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| ogra | th1a, i used to *be* edubuntu, the crowd in here thats helping just formed over the last months | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | basically he's the big granite wall that built everything | 05:15 |
| th1a | Is that a new title? | 05:16 |
| ogra | DanielC, only one will suffice (i'D take the newer one) | 05:16 |
| DanielC | ok | 05:16 |
| th1a | Is it a paid job (Technical Lead)? | 05:16 |
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| ogra | th1a, i have actually no idea what my current title is ... | 05:16 |
| ogra | but i'm paid, yes | 05:16 |
| ogra | (and to be hinest i dont care at all about titles, they are for business cards only) | 05:17 |
| th1a | I mean, I see rodarvus is the new technical lead, but I don't know what that means. | 05:17 |
| ogra | *honest | 05:17 |
| ogra | th1a, that i'll be reporting to him | 05:17 |
| th1a | I'm just trying to interpret what is going on. | 05:17 |
| ogra | and he'll be reportinng to the educational lead | 05:17 |
| === jsgotangco didn't know about rodarvus till today | ||
| === jsgotangco apologies | ||
| ogra | jsgotangco, thats what happens if you miss meetings :) | 05:18 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, no need to :) | 05:19 |
| th1a | Am I on the wrong mailing list or something? Do you mail out the minutes? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | well... | 05:19 |
| ogra | th1a, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew | 05:19 |
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| rodarvus | (sorry, I was away) | 05:25 |
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| rodarvus | th1a, jsgotangco: I'll be focused primarily on OLPC + help ogra with normal Edubuntu, whenever possible | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | OLPC wohooo | 05:27 |
| === jsgotangco hangs out there | ||
| DanielC | What is the SABDFL? | 05:28 |
| rodarvus | while talking with mdz two days ago, we discussed the development model of Edubuntu for OLPC - seems we'll follow Edgy schedule (with updates, as soon as edgy is released) | 05:28 |
| DanielC | Context: "nobody is expected to be perfect in the Ubuntu community (except of course the SABDFL)" | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | DanielC: that's mark shuttleworth | 05:29 |
| ogra | DanielC, mark shuttleworth | 05:29 |
| DanielC | heh | 05:29 |
| DanielC | What does it stand for? | 05:29 |
| ogra | self applied benevolent dictator for life | 05:29 |
| DanielC | ah | 05:29 |
| rodarvus | so, it seems most (if not all) of our OLPC effort will be also used on *buntu | 05:29 |
| rodarvus | s/applied/appointed/ ;) | 05:29 |
| ogra | yeah | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | rodarvus: im not getting it clearly...we're going to develop on top of sugar i assume? | 05:30 |
| ogra | as its with the ltsp stuff | 05:30 |
| ogra | i develop minly in edubuntu and thats where the biggest ltsp userbase is atm, but ltsp *is* in ubuntu | 05:30 |
| ogra | *mainly | 05:30 |
| rodarvus | jsgotangco, yes | 05:30 |
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| highvoltage | *sigh* | 05:33 |
| highvoltage | i'm glad to see knut on edubuntu-users, though. | 05:34 |
| ogra | he was autosubscribed, he was already on -devel :) | 05:34 |
| ogra | DanielC, i just got a very intresting mail from a guy who had the screen blanking problem in the installer ... he said it works when you use a different resolution from the CD menu, did you ever try that for the ones that didnt work ? | 05:50 |
| DanielC | ogra: I didn't realize I could choose a different resolution. | 05:50 |
| DanielC | ogra: Honestly, I didn't pay attention to that first screen. | 05:50 |
| ogra | he wrote everything apart from the standard vga works for him | 05:54 |
| DanielC | ogra: I wish I could test that, but I'm not about to re-install Edubuntu at this stage :) | 05:55 |
| ogra | heh, indeed | 05:55 |
| DanielC | Alright, code of conduct signed. | 06:02 |
| DanielC | It's cool that it requires a GPG key. (I happen to be a fan of encryption). | 06:02 |
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| DanielC | Well, I'm off. I'll try to get sound working with totem later. | 06:03 |
| === jsgotangco gotta sleep | ||
| jsgotangco | ciao | 06:03 |
| ogra | ciao+ | 06:04 |
| th1a | rodarvus: Hi. I was off making lunch. | 06:08 |
| rodarvus | np :) | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: what time are you arriving on the 17th? | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | ah heck its already the 17th here | 06:11 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: i'm arriving on the 18th, i'm leaving here on the 17th | 06:12 |
| ogra | time flies | 06:12 |
| jsgotangco | ah okay | 06:12 |
| highvoltage | so it does | 06:12 |
| th1a | rodarvus: I'm the project manager for SchoolTool, btw. | 06:12 |
| highvoltage | th1a: ah, thomas hoffman! | 06:13 |
| rodarvus | th1a, oh, nice - I didn't knew :) | 06:13 |
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| th1a | rodarvus: is there anything written down about Edubuntu's relationship with OLPC? | 06:21 |
| highvoltage | th1a: i don't think there's an official relationship yet, is there? | 06:24 |
| th1a | highvoltage: That's what I'm trying to figure out. | 06:26 |
| rodarvus | t | 06:26 |
| rodarvus | th1a, I don't know, yet | 06:27 |
| rodarvus | I've just joined Canonical, a few days ago | 06:27 |
| th1a | rodarvus: Understood. | 06:27 |
| th1a | rodarvus: What's your background? | 06:27 |
| rodarvus | th1a, linux distribution development, software optimization, a little embedded development, etc | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | th1a: you're also going to be in paris next week? | 06:36 |
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| braindead7 | hi all | 06:40 |
| th1a | highvoltage: No, actually. | 06:41 |
| braindead7 | may i know is there the live cd version for edubuntu | 06:41 |
| th1a | I drove up to Montreal last time. There's not much for me to do at an Ubuntu conference. | 06:41 |
| ogra | braindead7, yes, there is | 06:41 |
| ogra | braindead7, see the download page on www.edubuntu.org | 06:42 |
| braindead7 | thanx very much ogra | 06:42 |
| th1a | So one thing I'm trying to figure out here is which person(s) from Edubuntu should be invited to a small conference in the US about educational data interoperability. | 06:45 |
| th1a | Which is, generally speaking, an issue that I'd like to get the community up to speed on. | 06:46 |
| ogra | th1a, Richard can decide that i think | 06:46 |
| ogra | (once he's here) | 06:46 |
| th1a | ogra: In a month? | 06:46 |
| ogra | well, give him some time to get warm with everything :) | 06:47 |
| ogra | he starts in a month and will have to orientate himself first ... | 06:47 |
| ogra | when is that conf ? | 06:47 |
| highvoltage | th1a: this about SIF? | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | highvoltage: just asking, since helen king forwarded me a message about SIF and schooltool, and you were also included on that. | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: you talking to yourself again? ;-) | 06:52 |
| highvoltage | heh. | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | meant to ask th1a :) | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | anyone have the link to the oficial edubuntu cookbook handy? | 06:58 |
| th1a | highvoltage: It is in part about SIF. | 07:11 |
| th1a | SIF and more. | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | ok. | 07:11 |
| th1a | I have started writing some SIF code in Python, and the good news is that it is WAY easier than I thought it would be. | 07:11 |
| ogra | th1a, feel free to point me to a bzr branch for packaging it if you want it in edubuntu | 07:12 |
| th1a | I think we'll have something to at least stick in Edgy multiverse. | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | is the schooltool demo server back up again? i'm quite interested to see all the new improvements that you've been talking about. it sounds exciting. | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | multiverse? | 07:13 |
| ogra | th1a, why multiverse ? is it nonfree ? | 07:13 |
| th1a | Universe, I guess. | 07:13 |
| th1a | It is free. | 07:13 |
| ogra | yeah | 07:13 |
| th1a | Although it should be small enough to stick it in Edubuntu Edgy, since it'll be more likely to attract developer attention that way. | 07:13 |
| ogra | yep | 07:14 |
| ogra | universe is the best starting point for that ... | 07:14 |
| th1a | Since we've quickly determined that we can ditch the old Java monstrosity. | 07:14 |
| ogra | and probably also utnubu to get it ported to debian later | 07:14 |
| th1a | Anyhow, it doesn't do much yet, so we can wait a month or so to think about packaging. | 07:14 |
| ogra | we ship free java, if you can make it work with that ... | 07:15 |
| th1a | The current code is here: http://sifsoft.com/source/opensadk/trunk/OpenSADK_Python/ | 07:15 |
| th1a | highvoltage: We'll have an alpha release next week and the demo server back up. | 07:15 |
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| DanielC | How do you do pre-formatted text in the Ubuntu wiki? | 07:43 |
| HedgeMage | I have no clue, sorry | 07:44 |
| dan_young | DanielC: wrap the text with {{{ and }}} | 07:45 |
| DanielC | Thanks. | 07:46 |
| dan_young | DanielC: if they are on the same line as the text, you get just monospaced fonts... | 07:46 |
| DanielC | That's useful. Thanks. | 07:47 |
| dan_young | DanielC: if they are obove and below, you get blocks. | 07:47 |
| dan_young | *above | 07:47 |
| === DanielC is adding his trouble-shooting tips to his page on Ubuntu. | ||
| DanielC | dan_young: {{ doesn't seem to work for me... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera | 07:51 |
| DanielC | (scroll to the bottom of the page) | 07:51 |
| dan_young | DanielC: shoudl be three {{{ | 07:52 |
| DanielC | thanks | 07:52 |
| dan_young | DanielC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnFormatting | 07:52 |
| DanielC | stoopid me. | 07:52 |
| DanielC | Thanks for the link. | 07:52 |
| dan_young | DanielC: of course | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | ogra: http://www.edubuntu.org/Documentation | 07:56 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ^^^ the lts.conf guide isn't so hidden anymore | 07:56 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i'll make that page a bit prettier though | 07:57 |
| ogra | i'm just tracking down the problems with local printers with sbartley | 07:58 |
| ogra | oh, nice :) | 07:58 |
| ogra | LaserJock, *you* packaged desktop-multiplier ? | 08:00 |
| ogra | wow | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | cool :) | 08:00 |
| highvoltage | is that the Burgwork.work's desktop multiplier? or the ubuntu one? | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | ogra: me, wha? ;-) | 08:01 |
| ogra | see dapper-changes :) | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | it made it in!!! | 08:01 |
| ogra | Accepted desktop-multiplier 2.2-3-0ubuntu1 (source) | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I see it, I've been waiting for 2 days now | 08:02 |
| DanielC | Can I add images to the wiki? | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | ogra: now hopefully I can get paid and tell people how much I dislike closed source packaging ;-) | 08:11 |
| DanielC | How do you make the wiki not turn capital words into links? (e.g. OpenOffice, Firefox). | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | put a '''''' inbetween | 08:14 |
| DanielC | six ' ? | 08:14 |
| DanielC | What do you mean by "inbetween"? | 08:16 |
| DanielC | LaserJock: Sorry, I can't figure out your instructions and my guesses aren't working. | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | Open''''''Office | 08:18 |
| DanielC | ah | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | basically you are bolding (''') nothing ;-) | 08:19 |
| DanielC | Strange work-around, but as long as it works... | 08:20 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's what I learned | 08:20 |
| dan_young | DanielC: also !WikiName should work | 08:21 |
| DanielC | dan_young: I thought I had tried that... | 08:22 |
| dan_young | DanielC: but only if bang_meta is set, don't know if it is on wiki.ubuntu.com | 08:22 |
| DanielC | it's not :( | 08:22 |
| dan_young | backticks too: Wiki``Name | 08:22 |
| DanielC | that looks better | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | oh, yeah, that is better | 08:25 |
| highvoltage | tomorrow this time i'll be at cape town international checking in for my flight :) | 08:43 |
| DanielC | highvoltage: Where are you going? | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | I'll be at Reno International at this time tommorow :-) | 08:44 |
| ogra | tomorrow this time i'll be hitting the motorway :) | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | DanielC: Paris | 08:44 |
| DanielC | ah | 08:44 |
| highvoltage | ogra: are you coming with your Porche? | 08:44 |
| ogra | i'll try to | 08:45 |
| ogra | lets see if it survives 2x800km :) | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | how long will that take? | 08:46 |
| ogra | no idea | 08:47 |
| ogra | depends on the speedlinmits in france and belgium *g* | 08:47 |
| highvoltage | heh :) | 08:48 |
| ogra | 5-6h i guess, belgium forces 120km/h i think | 08:48 |
| ogra | i wont race :) | 08:48 |
| highvoltage | in south africa it's like that. you can't drive more than 120km/h anywhere. | 08:48 |
| ogra | well, germany has many areas without *any* speedlimit on the motorways | 08:49 |
| === LaserJock does some math | ||
| highvoltage | really? wow. | 08:49 |
| === highvoltage guesses LaserJock isn't on metric system yet :) | ||
| ogra | heh | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | umm, no | 08:49 |
| DanielC | First time I went to Germany my friend and I were going at 150km and everyone was passing us :) | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | I cheated though | 08:49 |
| ogra | DanielC, yeah thats pretty slow :) | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | 120km/h is about what the speed limit is here on highways | 08:50 |
| ogra | 150 is also a half breeded speed here ... either you drive 100 on the right lane with the trucks or > 160 on the left lane ... | 08:51 |
| DanielC | I don't understand why Europeans drive so fast given that gasoline/petrol is so expensive. | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | how do i recursively make md5sums of all the files and subdirectories in a directory? | 08:51 |
| ogra | to support the economy :) | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | i keep loosing my note about that :/ | 08:51 |
| DanielC | heh | 08:51 |
| ogra | (in fact only because we're mental ill :) ) | 08:51 |
| highvoltage | speed is addictive. | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | it's particularly weird since Europe is so small :-) | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | it's not like you have to go fast to get places ;-) | 08:53 |
| dan_young | highvoltage: I'd do something like: find /foo -exec md5sum '{}' \; | 08:59 |
| dan_young | highvoltage: can you md5sum a dir? | 08:59 |
| highvoltage | oh, sorry, not dirs then. just files recursively :) | 08:59 |
| dan_young | find /foo -type f -exec md5sum '{}' \; | 09:00 |
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| cbx33 | evenin all | 09:02 |
| DanielC | evening | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | ping LaserJock | 09:03 |
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| cbx33 | hey ogra__ | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | three ogras ? | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | maybe one of them can help me :p | 09:04 |
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| cbx33 | dang it | 09:05 |
| highvoltage | dan_young: thanks, that worked :) | 09:05 |
| dan_young | highvoltage: NP! | 09:05 |
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| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 09:10 |
| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 09:11 |
| === highvoltage uses lintian for the first time | ||
| LaserJock | hehe | 09:13 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, hehe | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: use it often :-) | 09:15 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: i didn't realise it was this cool (or easy to use). it reminds me of when i first started to validate my pages with w3c :) | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, :D | 09:18 |
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| LaserJock | highvoltage: are you using lintian -I (or is it -i) | 09:19 |
| juliux | hi all | 09:20 |
| DanielC | ogra: You said that I should see a directory of the form /tmp/.esd-{{UID}}. What does it mean if I don't? | 09:21 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, what are you testing? | 09:21 |
| DanielC | ogra: I can login to the client and hear the Gnome login sound, but there's no .esd in /tmp/ | 09:22 |
| DanielC | cbx33: I said I'd put my trouble shooting tips on the wiki. They're on my page now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera (scroll down). | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: no, just lintian, i didn't know about the -i switch. what does it do? | 09:27 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: i'm just packaging to learn some more about packaging. currently i'm playing with flock. it's interesting because i'm learning how firefox is packaged, and why it's packaged that way. | 09:28 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, sounds complicated :p | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: -i -I give you more info as to what went wrong and how to fix it :-) | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | aaah, thanks, good tip :) | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, have you used pbuilder ? | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | no, i haven't. i think i built a pbuilder chroot way back, but have never used it | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | use it | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 09:30 |
| cbx33 | it's good | 09:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra told me to check everything with pbuilder | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: yes, it's -i | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | is there a pbuilder howto page? i'll definately need a refresher :) | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: help.ubuntu.com has a handy little doc called the Ubuntu Packaging Guide *hint* ;-) | 09:32 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, that doc is AMAZING | 09:33 |
| ogra | DanielC, /etc/default/dhcp3-server shouldnt be touched | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | ok ok ok :) | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: well, I wouldn't say that | 09:34 |
| cbx33 | I would | 09:34 |
| ogra | dhcp3-server autodetects if there is a static interface atht matches the ip range | 09:34 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok, but did I say it should? In my page I said /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 09:35 |
| ogra | Make sure that on /etc/default/dhcp3-server that eth1 is specified in the INTERFACES= but not eth0. | 09:35 |
| ogra | thats from your page | 09:35 |
| DanielC | ah | 09:35 |
| ogra | as long as INTERFACES="" it will autodetect | 09:35 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok, that's the advice someone else gave me. I take it I should delete that? | 09:35 |
| ogra | as soon as you add an interface name there , autodetection is disabled | 09:36 |
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| DanielC | ogra: Ok, so someone gave me bad advice... | 09:36 |
| ogra | its not really *bad* advise, but you cut doen functionallity | 09:37 |
| ogra | *down | 09:37 |
| ogra | thats how it had to be with older dhcpd releases | 09:37 |
| juliux | ogra, can you take a look to edubuntu-de and http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/35888/ | 09:38 |
| DanielC | ogra: fixed | 09:38 |
| ogra | juliux, openGL isnt possible over ltsp ... | 09:39 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 09:39 |
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| LaserJock | yeah | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | I need OpenGL for science apps :/ | 09:41 |
| ogra | LaserJock, implement local apps ;) | 09:44 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: yes sir ;-) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | ogra: if only I knew what I was doing, I'd be on it | 09:44 |
| DanielC | ogra: If I don't see a directory called /tmp/.esd-{UID} that's bad, right? | 09:45 |
| ogra | highvoltage, well, you speak some weird mix of northern german slang, english and dutch in your country ;)# | 09:45 |
| ogra | DanielC, does it work ? | 09:46 |
| DanielC | ogra: No. | 09:46 |
| ogra | thats bad then | 09:46 |
| DanielC | ogra: I mean, the gnome login plays a sound, but nothing else works after that. | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yeah, i think i'm going to keep reading that channel. one day when there's a meeting in germany i won't have to buy a german cd/book ;) | 09:46 |
| DanielC | ogra: I tried rythmbox and totem-gstreamer btw. | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I've tried that to, I didn't get very far :( | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: i tried that with the spanish channel, didn't work for me either. German seems like a much easier language to interpret, since it contains many elements of my native language. I think it might work this time. | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | it's all non-english to me ;-) | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | stupid uni-lingual Americans :-) | 09:49 |
| highvoltage | i thought americans learn a second language in high school? like spanish or french? | 09:49 |
| DanielC | Laserjock: call them monoglots, that's fun. | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: some, I never did | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | I'm 4th year PhD and I've never been required to take a second language | 09:50 |
| DanielC | highvoltage: some, but not very much. Not like you would in Canada or Europe. | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | that's interesting. i always thought that it's very common to learn a second language in school. | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | I should have, in hindsight | 09:50 |
| DanielC | highvoltage: The USA is not typical. | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | it seems easier to learn another language if you already know more than one, according to people who know a lot. | 09:51 |
| highvoltage | DanielC: what do you mean? | 09:51 |
| DanielC | highvoltage: most countries have a higher motivation to learn another language and greater awareness of the outside world than the USA. | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | although there are more and more spanish speaking people in the US so there is more emphasis on learning languages than when I was younger | 09:51 |
| highvoltage | in all the american 'school' movies i've watched there's some spanish or french class. that's probably why I thought so. | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | where I live, virtually all service jobs want bilingual people | 09:52 |
| DanielC | highvoltage: For example, Canada is a bilingual country, the third world needs to export to the first world, Europe is made of many different countries, etc. | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: they are available for sure, but a lot of the time they aren't required | 09:53 |
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| DanielC | highvoltage: I know English and Spanish and I'm trying to learn German. I'd definitely say that learning a third language after you are bilingual is much easier. | 09:53 |
| juliux | DanielC, you want to learn german? | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | I do too | 09:54 |
| DanielC | juliux: yes | 09:54 |
| juliux | cool | 09:54 |
| ogra | DanielC, juliux can teach you, he's in your country ;) | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | German is pretty popular for chemists | 09:55 |
| ogra | i thought that was latin :) | 09:55 |
| juliux | DanielC, ogra is right, so you can me teach english and i can teach you german ;) | 09:55 |
| DanielC | :-) | 09:55 |
| juliux | DanielC, where in u.k. are you? | 09:56 |
| DanielC | juliux: Not sure if you want to learn English from me. I'm not a native speaker. | 09:56 |
| DanielC | juliux: Tamworth, near Birmingham. | 09:56 |
| juliux | DanielC, its only 2.5h from london ;) | 09:57 |
| DanielC | heh | 09:57 |
| juliux | but the most times the trains are late so i think 3h ;) | 09:57 |
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| DanielC | :) | 09:58 |
| juliux | a good german becks beer bought in england ;) | 09:59 |
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| juliux | hi mhz | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | ogra: not in chemistry, German is good because most of the old journals from the early 1900's are in German | 10:06 |
| ogra | haha, funny | 10:06 |
| DanielC | ogra: How do I test if esd is running other than checking /tmp/.esd* ? What should I see on the output of "ps aux"? | 10:06 |
| ogra | yeah, back then there was some inteilligence in that country ... i wonder where its gone :) | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | chemistry and physics have a heavy German influence | 10:06 |
| ogra | DanielC, esd should run on the client ... you shouldt see it on the server at all | 10:07 |
| juliux | LaserJock, yea she good old germany ;) | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | some time ago you used to *have* to learn German to get a PhD here | 10:07 |
| juliux | s/she/the | 10:07 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok, so I guess that the fact that I don't is a good thing... | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | the would give you a test where you had to translate a German chemistry article into English before you could get your PhD | 10:07 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:08 |
| ogra | and if you hear the login sound all should be fine | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | but now, people don't even now English and get there PhDs | 10:08 |
| DanielC | ogra: Ok. | 10:09 |
| kbrooks | cbx33: ping | 10:09 |
| DanielC | ogra: Is there anything I can test? The gstreamer-properties test works, but totem-gstreamer and rythmbox don't. | 10:11 |
| ogra | what are you trying to play ? both work here | 10:11 |
| DanielC | ogra: Just an Ogg file. It worked before... | 10:12 |
| DanielC | It's not a codec issue or any such. | 10:12 |
| DanielC | ogra: Should there be something in the server's /etc/var/daemon.log? (there isn't, and the client doesn't have a daemon.log). | 10:19 |
| ogra | only in the users .xsession-errors the daemon runs fine | 10:20 |
| DanielC | Hmm... I don't see anything relevant in .xsession-errors | 10:21 |
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