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[06:56] yeah [06:56] I think [07:00] you sound unsure, I think you'd probably know if you'd seen it [07:00] brand new gui....icons......big info window......lots of cool little features ??? === HedgeMage peeks back in [07:02] anyone know when pygi is due back? [07:02] no [07:02] could be anytime HedgeMage [07:02] ok [07:03] btw, thanks again my mom is so ecstatic :) [07:03] good good [07:03] did you do some more content with her === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-241-199.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [07:08] speak of the devil :p [07:08] well speak of pygi anyway :p [07:08] HedgeMage, is looking for you:p [07:09] cbx33, you and your devil :P [07:09] HedgeMage, how may I help you? :) [07:09] hi pygi [07:09] hi hi [07:09] just wanted to hash through a few things for cookbook, but I need a few minutes I have phone calls to make [07:10] you know it's 7:00 am here, and I gotta run in two minutes? :) [07:10] 7:10 am that is :P [07:10] cbx33: I think I did, my day has been terrible [07:11] pygi: didn't know that... :) when will you be free? [07:11] HedgeMage, not sure :P should be 12:00 UTC [07:13] ouch [07:13] that's the crack of dawn here [07:13] I'll catch you when I get up if I can, otherwise I'll give up and email you and we can do it the slow way :) === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] HedgeMage, hehe :) === HedgeMage isn't very good at mornings [07:17] no worries HedgeMage ;) === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.59.58] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [07:49] cheers [07:49] hi jsgotangco [07:49] what's up? [07:50] I HAVE MY HANDWRITTEN VISA [07:50] hrm? [07:51] long funny story at the embassy [07:51] basically their network hasn't been running since wednesday and couldn't issue anything electronically [07:51] ouch! [07:52] jsgotangco: do you by chance have time for me to /msg you some dumb questions? [07:52] sure im in an outdoor hotspot though can't stay long [07:52] ok [08:09] yay jsgotangco, c'est magnifique n'est pas! :) [08:09] oui! === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.59.58] has joined #edubuntu [08:36] au revoir! [08:36] ttyl jsgotangco === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:50] bonjour [09:50] hi highvoltage [09:52] hi HedgeMage [09:52] what's up? [09:52] can't sleep so I'm putting up the other cookbook info I promised at the meeting [09:52] at least some of it [09:54] ok, kewl! === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@200.146.65.147.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisa1 [n=jamie@60-240-78-17-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [10:29] Error on the getting started page. The first screen-shot in the "Configuring Thin Client Booting" section (second image) shows "lts.conf" instead of "dhcpd.conf" [10:34] Where can I get a list of keyboard layouts? I'm trying to figure out which one is "British English". === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@200.146.65.147.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === shankr [n=shanat@59.92.116.100] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] I'm editing ltsp.conf; is NETWORK_COMPRESSION good or bad? [10:50] DanielC: it's generally good [10:50] thanks [10:50] What does it do? [10:51] it will take slightly more cpu time on your server and thin clients, because it compresses the ssh data that gets sent to the thin clients [10:51] but it improves your network performance. [10:51] And on thin clients the network is the limiting factor? [10:51] network bandwidth is often a bigger problem than cpu capability, so in most cases, network compression should improve performance. [10:52] yes, especially on graphical intensive apps. [10:52] i haven't tested it extensively yet, or ina lab, [10:52] but i've tested it with frozen bubble on a two thin clients last week, and it made a significant improvement [10:52] Ok, thanks. [10:52] I enabled it and left a not explaining what it does. [10:52] :-) [10:53] That's good then. These are primary kids and I expect them to play games like frozen bubble. [10:54] frozen bubble is often kills the network on ltsp :) [10:54] let us know how that works out ;) [10:54] np :) [10:57] hi there [10:57] made progress DanielC? [10:58] spacey: Lots. [10:58] Everything works now except sound. [10:58] SOUND = Y ? [10:58] :) [10:58] tried that :( [10:58] The sound comes off from the server's sound card instead of the client. [10:58] hehe [10:59] the sound should be outputted to esd === jinty [n=jinty@15.Red-83-50-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:59] esd is running? [10:59] Must be if sound is coming out of the server. [11:00] When a client plays an Ogg file the sound comes out of the server. [11:00] then i might as well use alsa [11:00] s/i/it [11:00] what media player do you use? [11:00] I tried Totem. Should that matter? [11:00] ok [11:00] that should work [11:00] well non-gstreamer apps need additional configuration [11:01] if you type `ps aux | grep esd` [11:01] does that show anything? [11:01] totem-gstreamer didn't work. I later replaced it by totem-xine and that's what I'm running now. [11:01] I give up, I'm incapable of writing anything coherent at this hour, especially while dealing with trolls in other chans. [11:01] DanielC: hehe [11:02] so then you might need to specify it [11:02] spacye: ps aux | grep esd == "/usr/bin/esd - terminate -nobeeps -as 1 -spawnfd 18" [11:02] but you should hear gnome sounds anyway [11:02] But you see, if that was the problem then the sounds would not be coming out of the server. [11:03] If the problem was the app, then there would be no sound at all anywhere. [11:03] Right? [11:03] Or am I confused? [11:03] partly yes [11:03] if you type `gstreamer-properties` [11:03] is esound selected? [11:04] one sec... [11:04] output == autodetect [11:05] Options include ALSA, ESD, OSS. [11:05] http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig [11:05] *click* [11:05] try SOUND = true [11:06] I did. [11:06] I'm happy to try again. [11:06] well at least you should keep it in :) [11:06] Should I select "esd" instead of "autodetect"? [11:07] i never had to select it [11:07] ok [11:07] but it does need to output to esd [11:07] just try to restart the client first after you set SOUND = true in lts.conf === DanielC restarts the client [11:10] Hmmm... I can hear the Gnome sounds now... [11:11] This is my lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/712541 [11:12] if you hear gnome sounds [11:12] totem doesn't work, so it looks like it is the application. [11:12] from the client, it should work [11:12] well totem-gstreamer would work [11:12] Ok, so I'll add that, and remove totem-xine. [11:13] i don't like totem at all, but it should work [11:13] Sound on Firefox doesn't work either. [11:13] Totem is fine, I have no problems with it. [11:14] thats because the flash plugin sucks [11:14] :( [11:14] afaik the flash plugin only wants to output to OSS [11:14] The same flash video works on my desktop with sound. [11:14] ah [11:14] Well that sucks. [11:14] indeed [11:14] totem works! === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [11:15] hi cbx33 [11:15] madness! [11:15] mornin all [11:15] :) [11:15] morning [11:15] So... there's probably no way to get sound working with Firefox+Flash? [11:16] I have it working? === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] or is this some special case [11:16] RobinShepheard: did you get my mai? [11:16] hiya everybody [11:17] hey RobinShepheard [11:17] cbx33: No can't say I did === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [11:18] RobinShepheard: thanks for the meeting notes, good job :) [11:18] HedgeMage: Where they all right, not too long winded?? [11:18] RobinShepheard: they were very good :) [11:18] spacey: There's probably no way to get sound to work with Firefox+Flash? [11:18] I wasn't sure, first time I have had to take minutes [11:19] DanielC: in what circumstances [11:19] cbx33: Thin client. spacey says that sound only works if you use esd and that the flash plugin will only use oss. [11:20] At least, that's my interpretation of the situation. [11:20] ah [11:20] ok [11:20] he could very well be right then === Amaranth smashes things [11:21] the -25 kernel broke my sound [11:22] go back to the old kernel. [11:24] well, yeah [11:24] but first i'm going to see what was changed [11:26] DanielC: esddsp firefox [11:27] it demolishes performance when you run vmware like that but it shouldn't hurt firefox === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] Does anyone know what "RCFILE_02 = floppyd" does in lts.conf? === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-238-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:35] DanielC, it starts the floppyd (which we dont ship) [12:35] its an ltsp.org setting [12:36] ogra: What is floppyd? [12:36] Sounds like floppy drive daemon. [12:36] Never heard of such thing though. [12:36] i think a local device daemon, but i'm not really awake yet [12:36] ok [12:36] ogra: Where are you located? What time is it for you? [12:37] we'll address local devices in an autodetected manner :) [12:37] i'm in germany, but i was up until 5 [12:37] ah [12:37] so i'm rather on a westamerican TZ ;) [12:38] Looks like you get flexible work hours though :) [12:38] well, since my workplace is this channel :) [12:38] cool [12:38] Didn't think of it like that. [12:45] help, I am a bit confused, I am so used to using the mail program 'mail' in my scripts I didn't think about it. It doesn't seem to be installed by default, where is it??? [12:47] I can't seem to find a package just called mail. Does anyone know which package it is part of or if there is a similar package?? [12:47] I suppose I could get around it by re-doing all my scripts in perl and using net::smtp but I would rather avoid that if i can [12:50] How about sendmail? [12:50] I haven't used it much, but I once wrote a shell script that used sendmail. [12:54] heh, sendmail is a bit oversized for the task :) [12:55] install postfix [12:55] Package 'mailx' provides the command /usr/bin/mail [12:56] Description says "A simple mail user agent". [12:56] Maybe that's the one you want? [12:56] there was a simple conclusion that a mailserver isnt really needed on desktop systems, so we dont ship any mailserver by default since breezy [12:56] RobinShepheard: package 'mailx' [12:56] mailx is an MUA ... you will still need an MTA :) [12:57] Ok, mailx+postfix [12:57] ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bazaar/LtspManager$ apt-cache show mailx|grep Depends [12:57] Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), postfix | mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0) [12:57] ;) === DanielC just noticed that [01:05] DanielC: cheers [01:06] ogra: No problem, cheers for the grep statement [01:12] man I'm getting so much done today [01:12] so ogra think gisomount could be useful even to you :p [01:13] I've expanded the info section it can now pull out ALL iso volumne information :D [01:13] are there any features you think it could do with? [01:14] i susally dont check my isos with md5sum and if i mount an iso i have to do other stuff on the commandline with it, but its usweful to non developers, i'm pretty sure :) [01:14] ogra: well I'm trying to make it useful to developers too, at least that's what I'd like [01:14] what other options do you need to mount it with? [01:14] or are you saying you noramlly [01:15] just mount it command line and then maipulate on the command line? [01:15] cbx33: link to gisomount ? [01:15] for me as developer an rsync button would be cool that pops up a progress dialog showing the rsync progress ... but thats very much limited to devs and iso testers [01:15] https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/+branch/gisomount/devel [01:15] k [01:15] ty [01:15] ogra: I was actually going to do something like that === kbrooks bzr branches :P [01:16] I was going to make a front end for your rsyncer script [01:16] ah, cool :) [01:16] useful? [01:16] +l [01:16] -l [01:16] + brain [01:16] I'm not all here...been doing too much non-edubuntu work [01:16] it's not good [01:16] ogra: do you have any more updates to rsyncer yet? [01:17] or is it fairly static at the moment? [01:17] kbrooks: thanks for the python help yesterday [01:17] cbx33: np [01:17] I'm still a n00b at it [01:18] cbx33: nice GUI [01:18] thanks [01:18] it's changed a lot since the first conception [01:18] I did that yesterday [01:18] it used to look like this [01:19] cbx33: redundant tabs [01:19] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gisomount.png [01:19] cbx33, it might evolve, but i wont drop existing features [01:19] reduce to 1 [01:19] i cant say much yet because i will not use it for some months now :) [01:20] kbrooks: it's like that because.....someone told me to setup everything in glade [01:20] cbx33: don't listen to them all the time [01:20] and not to faf around with using python to create massive amounts of g...t.......I've just had a great idea [01:20] I'll just hide them until they need to be used [01:20] of course !!! [01:21] thanks kbrooks [01:21] g what?:P [01:21] gtk [01:22] cbx33: dialogs are intrusive :P [01:22] Is anyone here familiar with gdmXnest? I ssh'd to the client tunnelling X (ssh -X) and ran gdmXnest. I got a new window with the nested X server, but no gdm. [01:23] Don't know what to do... [01:23] heh [01:23] kbrooks: could you submit a bug for that on LP [01:23] cbx33: your code sucks :P too much all over the place [01:23] gdm isnt installed on the client [01:23] I'll fix that tonight [01:23] kbrooks: I know [01:23] so you cant execute that ... [01:23] I'd like some suggestions [01:23] ogra: I ssh'd to the server. [01:24] ogra: I mis-wrote. [01:24] oh, ok [01:24] cbx33: can i suggest them here? [01:24] sure or in pm? [01:24] I have to pop out for lunch [01:24] but you are already sshed to the server at this point [01:24] but I'll be back [01:24] alternatively email would be cool too [01:25] petesavage@ubuntu.com [01:25] cbx33: look at the info part [01:25] of the list [01:25] ogra: I just wanted to see if it was possible to run a a remote GUI connection to the server. [01:25] cbx33: use that ;) [01:25] kbrooks: I'm confused? [01:25] ogra: (from a regular Linux computer, you now, nested). [01:25] cbx33: in the GUI, there is a "key | info" === DanielC can't type correctly today [01:26] ah, nm, cbx33 [01:26] DanielC, then you should run it remote ;) if you shh -X from a logged in client you ssh to localhost ;) [01:26] *ssh [01:26] im stupid [01:26] DanielC, ah, k [01:26] right I have to dash...but I'll be back...and will be very open to suggestions [01:26] cbx33: ok [01:26] DanielC, you want to run a complete session ? [01:27] ogra: Yes. It's not important, just nice to have. [01:28] DanielC, you need a started Xserver on the client (with an xterm or something) and run: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession [01:29] Ok, I'll try that. [01:29] i never tried to use ldm for such stuff (i bet some environment variables will be missing the ltsp-client scripts set up) but theoretically you should be able to use it like with a thin client [01:29] X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. [01:30] oh, right, make sure you have already logged in once with that user via ssh [01:30] DanielC: ogra? [01:30] does pmount support loop mounting? [01:30] so the hostkey of the server is stored for the user [01:31] ogra: I'm not sure what you mean. I already logged in from a different terminal... Maybe I'm confused. [01:31] kbrooks, i dont think so, pitti woould know (he wrote p(itti)mount) [01:31] is mount -t loop valid? [01:31] DanielC, oh, well, that might be your problem then, try another user thats not running an X session already (and has no xauth file lying around) [01:32] kbrooks, mount -o loop is valig and will autoload the loop module [01:32] *valid [01:32] loop is not a filesystem ;) [01:33] ogra: Ok, that half-worked. Gnome crashed, but I think I'll stop here. This isn't important enough to spend much time on. === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] What the heck... [01:34] I closed the ssh connection and gaim crashed. === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] ogra: typo [01:36] is pmount -t loop valid? [01:37] I'm having problems with gaim. The Gnome gaim applet is gone and now when I close the Buddy List all of gaim quits. [01:37] lopp is still no filesystem :) [01:37] *loop === EmxBA [n=emx@mail.info.ba] has joined #edubuntu [01:38] kbrooks, i dont think pmount supports the -o switch [01:39] hi [01:39] hi ogra [01:47] What's with today's update? It's huge. [01:48] About 50 packages being updated. [01:48] at me only 9 [01:48] i updated all of them yesterday [01:48] and today again, just only 9 [01:48] but on Ubuntu :) [01:49] Mine says that the linux kernel was kept back. Why is it kept back? Should I upgrade it? [01:49] it is kept back at me too. [01:50] wait until all pieces are ready [01:50] ogra: What do you mean? [01:51] wait until all packages are there so nothing is kept back anymore [01:51] there is something missing if a package is kept back [01:51] maybe you don't have all the packages required for kernel update [01:51] I see. So "kept back" means that there's an update but I should wait for something else before getting it. [01:51] yeah [01:51] right [01:52] kept back usually means a depending package isnt there yet [01:52] ok [01:52] whats being kept back ? [01:52] ogra: Linux kernel [01:52] which package eaxctly ? [01:52] ogra: linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 [01:52] linux image [01:53] yeah they are both metapackages [01:53] ok [01:54] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-image-386 [01:54] 22k big :) [01:55] is nerolinux available for ubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-184.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [01:59] see you later [01:59] hi pygi [02:01] I'll restart gnome to see if that makes Gaim work again. [02:01] I hate restarting programs. It feels like Windows. === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [02:03] That wasn't so bad. [02:03] I only restarted the gnome panel. [02:03] DanielC: :) [02:04] feels like windows, really [02:04] Better than rebooting the entire OS though. [02:04] well, yes [02:04] I didn't even have to close applications besides gaim. [02:07] ogra: Sound is now working on thin clients except for Firefox (ie. Flash). [02:08] ogra: I can play Ogg files with totem-gstreamer but a Flash movie that works on my desktop doesn't work on the thin client. [02:08] ogra: Any ideas? [02:09] i have the same problem [02:13] ogra: kbrooks : pmount doesn't support the -o switch [02:13] did you try calling firefox with esddsp in front ? [02:14] ogra: what? How do I do that? [02:14] the problem with flash is that it needs a LD_PRELOAD avriable ste, but that can crash firefox and is a security hole so the LD_PRELOAD in th efirefox startup wrapper was disabled by our security team [02:15] just run: esddsp firefox [02:15] and check if it works then === DanielC tries that [02:15] you might probably have to set options for esddsp, not sure [02:18] Hmm... I can't login to the thin clients again. [02:19] I wonder if my experimentation with X broke something. I can't see how it would though. === DanielC restarts the server to be sure [02:23] Damm it. The client won't login anymore. [02:24] The application 'x-session-manager' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0; [02:24] most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed [02:24] the application. [02:24] Does anyone know what this means? === EmxBA [n=emx@mail.info.ba] has left #edubuntu [] [02:30] ogra: Ever seen that before? "x-session-manager lot its connection to the display localhost:10.0; most likely the X server was shut down" [02:32] ogra: ldm.conf says "X11 connection rejected becaue of wrong authentication" === mhz [n=mhz@201.214.84.130] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [02:39] I've tried rebooting the server, running ltsl-update-kernels, ltsp-update-sshkeys and rebooting the client. But no change. [02:41] Here is ~/.xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/712839 [02:44] Moving lts.conf away doesn't change anything. [02:45] Ok, I can login with a *different* *account* [02:45] So the problem is with the user account itself. [02:47] I moved ~/.Xauthority* away and now I can log in. But Gnome is messed up... === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === kozuch_ [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [02:50] in which way ? [02:50] (sorry was afk) [02:51] ogra: The icons are wrong, and it gives me errors that some apps (applets I think) crashed. [02:51] it's definitely usable, just ugly. [02:52] And it's only with this one account. [02:52] I'm moving every config file into another directory. [02:52] looks like gnome-settings-daemon didnt like your mucking around with xauth [02:53] check the permissions of the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs [02:53] Yes, it's gnome-settings-daemon [02:53] ogra: what should those permissions be? 755/644? [02:54] 700 [02:54] ok [02:54] and they should be owned by the user indeed [02:55] They look alright. === sankar [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [02:57] is an old gnome-settings-daemon still running ? [02:57] How can I test for that? I doubt it because I rebooted the server. [02:58] "ps aux|grep settings" shows only one. [02:58] ok, thats not it then [02:59] When Gnome starts it says "the daemon restarted too many times; I'll try to restart it next time you log in" [02:59] Logging in again doesn't change the error. [02:59] try moving the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs away [03:01] I did. It still complains. [03:02] I logged out and logged back in and I got *fewer* errors the second time. [03:02] All the "such and such crashed" errors are gone. But still complains about the settings daemon. [03:04] there must be something left in the /tmp dir i guess thats operating with the wrong xauth file form your ssh -X try [03:04] I see /tmp/gconfd-admin [03:04] Hello and good morning (whatever time it is in your time zone) [03:05] ping kbrooks [03:05] ogra: Is it safe to log everything out and run 'rm -r /tmp/*' ? [03:05] should be, yes ... do it as a user, so you cant kill important stuff === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] ogra: That fixed it. Thanks! === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:15] Accepted ltsp-manager 0.0.1-1 (source) [03:15] yippie ! [03:15] ogra: w00t [03:15] Hello [03:15] ogra: Just wanted to say thinaks yet again, and let you know of an issue I'm running into with ltsp [03:15] ogra: think you got a minute at somepoint soon to have a quick ganders at my code? [03:15] ogra: Is that the one you showed us the other day? Yay! [03:17] yeps, thats the initial upload of the management gui [03:17] now it just needs the meissing features :) [03:17] nice one ogra :D [03:17] Actually, I need to do a little more testing before laying out more ltsp troubles. === cbx33 is hoping that gisomount can go into universe soon [03:17] Oooh, ltsp-manager! Spiff! [03:18] after it's been optimised [03:18] cbx33, Laser_away and me will approve it if the packaging is ok, so dont worry [03:18] ogra: thanks, i just need someone to give me some advice on the code [03:19] after kbrooks said it was crap [03:19] you can change it the next 4 months still ... [03:19] uploading it will get you users that file bugs ... [03:19] so focus on getting it out, you can do changes later [03:21] ogra: even if it's incomplete [03:21] and buggy? [03:21] sure [03:21] if that's the case, [03:21] ltsp-manager is far from being complete [03:21] I would really relaly appreciate you glancing over it [03:22] and if you say it's cool I'll ask Laser_away and you to put it in [03:22] its just important to fix it until release [03:22] I know Laser_away is really really busy right now [03:22] DanielC, what do I have to do to get sound working in ltsp? [03:22] getting bugs and feedback is very important to get it right [03:22] he's been wanting to add code to gisomount but just hasn't had the time [03:22] The wiki mentions modifying source code...? [03:22] I know [03:22] slashdevnull, ?? [03:23] hey everyone [03:23] can you point me to that wikipage please so i can correct it ? [03:23] hey MNr highvoltage [03:23] ogra: when are you leaving for Paris, on Sunday? [03:23] slashdevnull, http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig [03:23] cbx33: hey! [03:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientAudioSupport mentions code to be added to ldm [03:23] Ah, nm. Wrong wiki. :P [03:23] howz it going [03:23] highvoltage, saturday evening/night ... i dont like driving long distance during the day [03:24] slashdevnull, that was the spec for the implementation [03:24] slashdevnull, its *not* a howto [03:24] ogra: Now sound doesn't work on totem-gstreamer. It just works logging into gnome (you know, the login sounds). [03:25] did you play with your multimedia settings ? (dont do that) [03:25] heheheh [03:25] ogra: Not that I know of. [03:25] lol [03:25] ok, ogra. Thanks [03:25] At least, not since last time it worked. [03:26] the gstreamer properties should use the autodetection sink (default)... else you wont have ltsp sound [03:26] Ok. [03:27] I don't think I've touched totem or gstreamer settings beyond moving ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome* to another directory. [03:27] So, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams is out of date? It mentions that SOUND is not yet implemented. [03:27] the autosink iterates over all possible output methods and picks the best one *unless* it sees that you are logged in via ltsp, then it points directly to the forwarded esd output [03:27] slashdevnull, see the line at the top please === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-232-88.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] its still recent for what it was written for === ogra goes and makes it bold [03:30] ogra: would you want me to use the script as it is? [03:30] the rsync one that is? [03:30] then it would help interoperability [03:30] feel free to make improvements, patches accepted ;) [03:30] ogra: I oculd never patch you :p [03:30] sure you could ;) [03:31] I ran totem with the --debug flag and the only message is "failed to initialize lirc". [03:31] I don't know what lirc is. [03:31] ogra: I'm gonna make some dummy isos [03:31] so I can try it easy [03:31] and quickly === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:35] ogra [03:35] your rsync script [03:36] the actual rsync bit does, rsync -az --progress rsy....iso iso iso [03:36] why three parameters [03:36] one would suffice ... === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.21.134.56] has joined #edubuntu [03:37] so why the three? [03:37] :p [03:37] just outta interest === kholerabbi [n=me@dsl-124-148-127-122.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:38] no idea [03:38] :) [03:38] *shrug* [03:38] ok :p i get it [03:38] IDWIWIJD [03:39] I don;t know why it works, it just does ! [03:39] hi guys [03:39] Hello :) [03:39] Ok, let's go for a different problem. When I login as a different user I get no sound at all (not even the login sound). When I start totem I get the error "could not connect to sound daemon". === kholerabbi [n=me@dsl-124-148-127-122.qld.westnet.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [03:40] This is a user I added early, before doing most of the configuration. But why would one user get sound and the other not? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan [03:45] morning rodarvus [03:46] hi there, ogra [03:46] I've seen ltsp-manager was already uploaded to edgy ;) [03:46] great news [03:46] yeah [03:47] i'm just creating a branch for it in LP [03:47] ogra: how soon do you think gisomount could be in? [03:47] spacey: Hi. Do you have any idea why sound would work for one user but not another? (I'm speaking of the Gnome login sound and a brand new user). [03:47] cbx33, lets wait for Laser_away [03:48] oh yeh sure [03:48] DanielC, different users might have different sound servers configured - that might be the reason [03:48] i was speaking hypothetically [03:48] rodarvus: Ok. How do you configure a sound server for a user? [03:48] rodarvus, nope ... by default ltsp should fall back to esd for all users ... [03:49] the gstreamer autosink cares for that ... [03:49] oh [03:49] (which is the default setting for all new users) [03:49] :( [03:49] ogra: Could sabayon get in the way of that? [03:49] look with the env command if ESPEAKER is set for that user [03:49] (and where it points to) [03:50] usually that should be clientIP:port [03:50] where port is 16001 [03:50] It is. [03:50] DanielC: i hope you're documenting all this :p [03:50] would be good others wanting to do the same [03:51] hmm, is the client the same hardware as the former ? [03:51] 192.168.17.247:16001 [03:51] (might be a driver prob) [03:51] cbx33: I've been documenting all the solutions I've found. When I solve sound I'll document that too. [03:51] nice DanielC [03:51] ogra: But why would a driver problem affect different users differently. [03:52] not different user, different clients [03:52] *users [03:52] This is the same physical client. [03:52] ok [03:53] When I tried an old user (that I configured early one) totem gave the error "could not connect to sound daemon". When I created a brand new user, totem didn't give that error, but still doesn't play sounds. [03:54] is there a .esd-{$UID} directory in /tmp with that users UID ? [03:54] I see .esd-100 and .esd-101 [03:54] 100 ??? [03:54] oops [03:54] sure youre not missing a 0 ? [03:54] 1000 and 1001 [03:54] good :) [03:54] :) [03:55] and is one of the users logged in locally on the server ? [03:55] I just checked /etc/passwd and those are the user IDs I'd expect. [03:55] Yes. [03:56] One is logged in locally on the server (1000) and the other on the thin client (1001). === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.59.58] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] 1001 is the one that doesn't work. If I log 1000 into the client I hear the Gnome login sounds. [03:56] hmm, that might cause it ... could you try with only client connections ? might be that a locally running esd confuses it ... [03:56] ogra: do you know how to setup an rsync server? [03:56] ok, I'll loge out from the server. [03:57] cbx33, i think its just installing the server and enabling it in /etc/default [03:58] thanks [03:58] i suppose one still needs to create the rsyncd.conf file [03:58] you'll likely have to set the served path anywhere, but dont ask me where :) [03:59] ogra: I logged everyone out. I saw that the /tmp/.esd* directories vanished. I then logged in user 1001. Saw that /tmp/.esd-1001 appeared. But no sound came off. [03:59] hrm [03:59] any errors in the logs ? [03:59] .xsession-errors might have something === DanielC checks [04:00] ** (gnome-session:7213): WARNING **: Esound failed to start. [04:00] aha [04:01] you are sure you dont have fiddled with any settings in gstreamer-properties ? [04:01] ogra: Earlier I replaced totem-gstreamer by totem-xine and then put totem-gstreamer back in. [04:02] ogra: I can't think of anything else. [04:02] If I did, it was not knowingly. I wish there was a way to test this better. [04:02] i mean the multimedia settings app (gstreamer-properties) did you change anything ther ? [04:02] e+ [04:02] The GUI one? No, I haven't touched it. [04:04] Of course, when I was trying to fix the login problem I moved a lot of ~/.* files away. But that would only affect the user account 1000 (the one that does have sound). [04:05] it shouldnt matter [04:06] indeed [04:06] please run gstreamer-properties and check that the autosink is selected for both users === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b26.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] ogra: Ok, I have gstreamer-properties in front of me and under output I see "Pipeline: autoaudiosink". I click "Test" next to it and hear nothing. Is that what you meant? [04:08] yes [04:08] can you check that for both users please ? [04:08] if one is set to esd that might be the problem [04:08] ogra: If I change output to ESD and test it says "could not connect to ESD" === DanielC puts it back to auto-detect and logs out to try the other user [04:10] ogra: The other user looks the same except that the test works. [04:10] thats weird [04:10] (output: autodetect; pipeline: autosink) [04:10] bbl ghuys [04:11] ogra: expect a beta of grsyncer soon :p [04:11] *g* [04:11] try to find some better names ... putting a g in front of everything feels like KDE :) [04:11] :) [04:12] OgraSync :p [04:13] excellent that feels much better :p [04:13] heh [04:13] bbl guys [04:14] DanielC, damned, i have an idea ... (which would be a bit odd if it worked) can you reboot the client, log in with the user who had no sound and see if it works then ? [04:14] ogra: gstreamer-properties says in STDERR: "Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdmon'" (among others) [04:14] ogra: I'll try anything. [04:14] What do I do? [04:15] i suspect there is an esd process left running on the client that is still owned by the first user ... === DanielC logs out [04:15] just reboot the client and log in with the 1001 user [04:15] ok... [04:16] if thats the case i have a fix from debian for it, might be a dapper-updates candidate ... [04:16] Rebooting... [04:17] btw, do you have more than one client around there ? [04:17] I must be missing something somewhere. Is there anything more that I should need to do than specify sound=true in lts.conf? I'm assuming that the answer is a resounding 'yes'. [04:17] I must not be looking at the right docs. Again. :P [04:18] the variable needs to be uppercase (as all lts.conf variables) [04:18] Sound tests in my environment, from the thin client, play on the server's speakers. [04:18] SOUND=True will work [04:18] then the variable wasnt read on client boot [04:19] I have SOUND=True [04:19] and you rebooted the client ? [04:19] Yes. I can try again. [04:19] Does inital spacing (indenting) matter? [04:19] in lts.conf? [04:19] (lts.conf is only read once on boot, changes dont take effect if you dont reboot the client) [04:20] ogra: it works [04:20] ogra: It looks like whoever logs in first grabs the sound daemon. [04:20] DanielC, ok, do you have a second client available ? [04:20] ogra: No, sadly no. Just one client. [04:20] so you can test the other user simultanely on a second client [04:20] sad ... [04:21] I have another computer that could be turned into a client I think. [04:21] would be good to confirm [04:21] I'm sure I can find a monitor, cables, etc to setup another client if need be. [04:21] "Sound requested bu /dev/dsp is missing". Looks like that could be it. [04:22] ogra: Ok. This will take several minutes. I'll be back. [04:22] theoretically if you swap the users on the clients sound must come out of the wrong client if my suspicion is correct === mhz is now known as mhz_off [04:22] ogra: Ok, I'll look for that. [04:22] slashdevnull, what kind of client is that = [04:22] ? [04:23] looks a bit like the soundcard isnt supported [04:23] It's a Dell Dimension 5150. [04:23] with onboard sound i suspect [04:23] lemme check the soundcard... [04:23] worst casde its ISA ... that will get very very tricky ... === salleschool [n=felipebe@101.Red-213-97-134.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] *case [04:24] Hello again [04:24] Yeah, it's an onboard sound card [04:24] any idea if its PCI or ISA ? [04:24] getting specifics now... [04:24] I'm still hitting my head againts the screen [04:25] (HW manufacurer like to use ISA because its way cheaper but you have to set it with IRQ and the like ... its no fun) [04:25] Don't worry It's an old screen [04:25] let's see [04:25] many laptops have ISA soundcards because of that [04:25] I pushed out edubuntu :( [04:26] I have installed ubuntu :) [04:26] salleschool, ?? [04:26] and then i have installed ltsp4.2 [04:26] but now atftpd is not working === ogra points salleschool to #ltsp for support, we have nothing to do with ltsp 4.2 here [04:27] ogra: pci. inetl 82801g [04:27] Er, intel [04:27] but aftp is unmaintained in ubuntu anyway (at least i havent seen anybody touching it for ages and its in universe (unsupported)) [04:28] so I must install another tftpd, which one? [04:28] salleschool, please ask in #ltsp i dont support ltsp 4.2 [04:29] its not in ubuntu at all [04:29] ok, sorry [04:29] slashdevnull, should be covered by snd-intel8x0 [04:29] I will ask there [04:29] ogra: If I was to build out an ltsp environment for a school using Edubuntu or Ubuntu 6.06, are there any good hardware do/don't guides out there? So I don't buy a bunch of thins with the wrong video/sound hardware, etc.? [04:30] well, usually every PCI card should work [04:30] ISA can made working, but as i said its very tricky to set up and requires lots of manual work [04:31] ok. I'm not concerned about making it work in the test environment I'm running right now. [04:31] ogra: I can't test :( The other computer's power supply is dead. [04:32] ogra, you're a paid *ubuntu employee, right? I hope you are, for all of the questions I'm throwing at you. ;) [04:32] slashdevnull, yes, i am :) [04:32] good on you. :) [04:33] ogra: The only computer I have left is one whose sound hardware doesn't work with Linux anyways. However, I can say that when I booted it and logged in as the original user I did not hear sound coming from the first client. [04:34] brb === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.21.134.56] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:35] DanielC, could you file a bug like: "esd isnt killed on logout on the client and runs with wrong permissions from new users logging in" ? [04:35] against ltsp and assigned to me ? [04:35] That's launchpad.ubuntu.com? [04:35] yep [04:36] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug [04:36] launchpat.net, sorry [04:36] Looks like it's the same thing. [04:37] a bug will make it official enough for me to work on it for dapper-updates i hope [04:37] Ok. [04:37] anyway, it will only happen if users log out and other users log in ... for now the workaround would be to reboot the client before another user logs in [04:37] its ugly, but should help [04:38] ogra: Ok. That would work alright for this setup. [04:38] We'll have one user per PC. [04:38] ah, k [04:39] that shouldnt produce probs then, but thanks for tracking that bug :) [04:39] We /were/ planning to have everyone share the same account, but decided that this just wouldn't work. [04:40] So we went for the next simplest thing. One account per PC. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@201.21.134.56] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/49997 [04:43] ogra: I didn't see an option to assign the bug to anyone. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] i'll grab it, thanks a bunch [04:43] thank you :) [04:44] hi [04:44] DanielC, well, you cant assign bugs if the ubuntu component is selected :) [04:44] selecting ltsp as the package enables assignments :) [04:45] ogra: Ok :) I'm not familiar with Ubuntu's version of bugzilla yet. [04:45] hey jsgotangco [04:45] lol [04:45] LOL [04:45] hey ogra === jsgotangco is packed [04:45] ogra: In any event... if I login to another PC with a different user account, should I expect sound to work? [04:46] hey we are pushing a revolutionary new bugtracker, dont call it "bugzilla" if any launchpad people are around *g* [04:46] he he [04:46] DanielC, yes [04:46] ogra: i bought something for you [04:46] heh [04:46] That would be good enough for my use case. Thanks. [04:46] for me ? [04:46] yeah [04:46] heh [04:47] jsgotangco, a throuserbag ashtray ? [04:47] oh crap [04:47] i should have bought you one [04:47] Groovy. SOunds works great on my other system (add-on sound card). [04:48] lol === ogra adjusts the ray of the ubuntu mind reading satellite to something else now [04:49] slashdevnull, hmm, thats odd ... wait until crimsun is up, he's the alsa guy and might want to know abut it [04:51] kayo. Thanks [04:52] Now that I have a functining environment, maybe I should re-write launchpad in Rails. ;) === slashdevnull laughs maniacally, then ducks [04:52] rodarvus, do you know if we get a budget now that we are a "real department" inside the company ? [04:52] slashdevnull, ask #launchpad if they like that *g* [04:52] ogra, hopefully, yes (as soon as RichardW arrives) [04:53] I'd rather not, if it's all the same. launchpad is cool. [04:53] budget? [04:53] rodarvus, i think we should have another edubuntu summit as well (but thats up to richard i guess) [04:53] yeah, I agree [04:53] jsgotangco, we're the educational DEPARTMENT inside of canonical now :) [04:54] not just "ogra who builds that edu distro" anymore ;) === gagredo [i=gagredo@208.195.214.133] has joined #edubuntu [04:54] hi [04:54] jsgotangco, ogra and I will report to the Education Program/Project (?) Manager, starting next month === jsgotangco is clueluess atm [04:55] jsgotangco, you werent at the last meeting, right ? [04:55] I'll be right back [04:55] I'm having a problem with edubuntu installation [04:55] yes i was busy fighting with bureaucracy [04:55] gagredo, did you follow the gettingstarted guide (see the channel topic) === jsgotangco only got to breathe properly today [04:56] when LTSP installation the computer stops [04:56] well ive been hearing about a program manager thing but didnt know its already in place [04:56] and can't continue === th1a_desk is now known as th1a [04:56] I think was a problem of the iso image but i'm already make the MD5SUM and it was correct [04:57] then I burn at 8x but the problem persist [04:57] Wait, what? Is there an educational program manager? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-246-47.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:57] any suggestions or help? [04:57] gagredo, "the computer stops" [04:57] can you define that a bit more precise ? [04:57] th1a, yep [04:57] th1a: fairly new but was planned before [04:57] ogra thanks [04:58] ogra: is this Mr JaneW? [04:58] LOL [04:58] yes, that is Mr. JaneW [04:58] I want to say that the installations doesn't continue [04:58] ahh so it happened [04:58] gagredo, how are the symptoms of that ? [04:58] I heard it was coming from Helen, but I was expecting a posting or something. [04:58] Who is it? [04:58] helen? [04:58] (screenn goes rad and you have an error, the system just locks up, screen switches off etc) [04:58] Helen King from TSF. [04:59] who is helen ? [04:59] aha [04:59] ahh [04:59] nope its not TSF realted [04:59] *related [04:59] She's my main contact with the rest of the Shuttleworth universe. [04:59] and i think mark tries to keep both as distinct as possible [04:59] Yeah, I knew it was a Canonical thing. [05:00] to not be blamed for mixing stuff up between the companies [05:00] So is there any info about this anywhere? [05:00] th1a: about? [05:00] there are meeting records anywhere [05:00] highvoltage: hey! [05:00] hey jsgotangco [05:00] This hiring? Who this person is? [05:00] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew [05:01] highvoltage: did you get your papers sorted out? [05:01] th1a: Richard Weideman? he used to work for HP. [05:01] jsgotangco: yes!!! just in time :) [05:01] hehe me too [05:01] highvoltage: they made it extra special by making it HANDWRITTEN [05:01] muhahaha [05:01] highvoltage: Thanks. [05:01] ogra, the system just locks up === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu [05:01] hmm back to back huge updates [05:02] jsgotangco, keep it, frame it :) === jsgotangco should get smokes before leaving [05:02] gagredo, how does that happen, does the screen go black and everything stops ? [05:03] Edubuntu doesn't come with Apache, right? [05:03] ogra, someone says me that could probably solve if I use the noapic advanced option, what do yo thing? [05:03] gotta roll. thanks for all the help, ogra. good luck, DanielC. === slashdevnull [n=al@c-71-234-185-252.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [05:04] DanielC, nope but you can easily install it [05:04] gagredo, try it [05:04] ogra: Ok, thanks. [05:04] gagredo, it really matters whats going wrong === EmxBA [n=emx@mail.info.ba] has joined #edubuntu [05:05] hi everyone [05:05] i would like you to help me [05:05] EmxBA: i think you need to be more specific :) [05:05] he he [05:06] i cannot set up aiglx, thatis everything works [05:06] just resolution is always 640x480 [05:06] ogra: i just read your wiki page. i think it was written before you started working at canonical :) [05:06] i can give you my xorg.conf [05:06] it is here:pastebin.com/713010 [05:07] highvoltage, waaay before, yes [05:07] heh [05:07] highvoltage: any help? i tried #ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl and almost nobody helps me [05:07] most of tjem are idle [05:07] *them [05:08] EmxBA, nobody here has experience with it and its really not the appropriate channel for it... i suspect you have to wait for someone to answer in #ubuntu-xgl [05:08] huh..... [05:08] OK [05:09] ogra, everything stops [05:09] EmxBA: i don't know, i've never even heard of iaxgl before [05:10] highvoltage, its a extension for xorg in pre beta quality [05:10] How do you become a MOTU? [05:10] as everything with 'xgl' in it, it seems :) [05:10] xorg 7.1 will have it ... its enabling compisite and the like [05:10] aaah ,ok. [05:10] did someone say that edgy will feature xorg 7.1? [05:10] DanielC, first become a member, then help in #ubuntu-motu with packaging and bugfixing [05:11] highvoltage, it will [05:11] ogra: ok [05:11] ogra: is there anything we need to do for the summit, something that i might not have done yet, that i need to? [05:12] i'm just going to make some notes of ideas and put it up on launchpad+wiki so long. [05:12] DanielC, becoming a menber starts with creating a personal wikipage and signing the code of conduct in launchpad :) [05:12] ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera where do I sign? :) [05:12] highvoltage, prepare for the BOfs you will attend, if there is code to be inspected, do it now ... [05:13] DanielC, in launchpad at your personal page [05:13] ogra: ok [05:14] ogra, thanks a lot [05:14] ogra, for trying to help me [05:14] ogra, i've got some ideas from the chat [05:15] bye bye [05:15] gagredo, so you cant switch consoles anymore (i.e. hitting alt-f4) ? [05:15] ogra: did you used to be the Technical Lead for edubuntu? [05:15] ogra: Do I sign both 1.0 and 1.0.1? === gagredo [i=gagredo@208.195.214.133] has left #edubuntu [] [05:15] th1a, i used to *be* edubuntu, the crowd in here thats helping just formed over the last months [05:15] basically he's the big granite wall that built everything [05:16] Is that a new title? [05:16] DanielC, only one will suffice (i'D take the newer one) [05:16] ok [05:16] Is it a paid job (Technical Lead)? === DanielC reads [05:16] th1a, i have actually no idea what my current title is ... [05:16] but i'm paid, yes [05:17] (and to be hinest i dont care at all about titles, they are for business cards only) [05:17] I mean, I see rodarvus is the new technical lead, but I don't know what that means. [05:17] *honest [05:17] th1a, that i'll be reporting to him [05:17] I'm just trying to interpret what is going on. [05:17] and he'll be reportinng to the educational lead === jsgotangco didn't know about rodarvus till today === jsgotangco apologies [05:18] jsgotangco, thats what happens if you miss meetings :) [05:19] jsgotangco, no need to :) [05:19] Am I on the wrong mailing list or something? Do you mail out the minutes? [05:19] well... [05:19] th1a, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-25-87.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [05:25] (sorry, I was away) === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b3a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:27] th1a, jsgotangco: I'll be focused primarily on OLPC + help ogra with normal Edubuntu, whenever possible [05:27] OLPC wohooo === jsgotangco hangs out there [05:28] What is the SABDFL? [05:28] while talking with mdz two days ago, we discussed the development model of Edubuntu for OLPC - seems we'll follow Edgy schedule (with updates, as soon as edgy is released) [05:28] Context: "nobody is expected to be perfect in the Ubuntu community (except of course the SABDFL)" [05:29] DanielC: that's mark shuttleworth [05:29] DanielC, mark shuttleworth [05:29] heh [05:29] What does it stand for? [05:29] self applied benevolent dictator for life [05:29] ah [05:29] so, it seems most (if not all) of our OLPC effort will be also used on *buntu [05:29] s/applied/appointed/ ;) [05:29] yeah [05:30] rodarvus: im not getting it clearly...we're going to develop on top of sugar i assume? [05:30] as its with the ltsp stuff [05:30] i develop minly in edubuntu and thats where the biggest ltsp userbase is atm, but ltsp *is* in ubuntu [05:30] *mainly [05:30] jsgotangco, yes === ogra sighs about knut starting a legal debate about restricted formats on edubuntu-users [05:33] *sigh* [05:34] i'm glad to see knut on edubuntu-users, though. [05:34] he was autosubscribed, he was already on -devel :) [05:50] DanielC, i just got a very intresting mail from a guy who had the screen blanking problem in the installer ... he said it works when you use a different resolution from the CD menu, did you ever try that for the ones that didnt work ? [05:50] ogra: I didn't realize I could choose a different resolution. [05:50] ogra: Honestly, I didn't pay attention to that first screen. [05:54] he wrote everything apart from the standard vga works for him [05:55] ogra: I wish I could test that, but I'm not about to re-install Edubuntu at this stage :) [05:55] heh, indeed [06:02] Alright, code of conduct signed. [06:02] It's cool that it requires a GPG key. (I happen to be a fan of encryption). === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-200.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:03] Well, I'm off. I'll try to get sound working with totem later. === jsgotangco gotta sleep [06:03] ciao [06:04] ciao+ [06:08] rodarvus: Hi. I was off making lunch. [06:08] np :) [06:11] highvoltage: what time are you arriving on the 17th? [06:11] ah heck its already the 17th here [06:12] jsgotangco: i'm arriving on the 18th, i'm leaving here on the 17th [06:12] time flies [06:12] ah okay [06:12] so it does [06:12] rodarvus: I'm the project manager for SchoolTool, btw. [06:13] th1a: ah, thomas hoffman! [06:13] th1a, oh, nice - I didn't knew :) === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === th1a is my old CMU login. [06:21] rodarvus: is there anything written down about Edubuntu's relationship with OLPC? [06:24] th1a: i don't think there's an official relationship yet, is there? [06:26] highvoltage: That's what I'm trying to figure out. [06:26] t [06:27] th1a, I don't know, yet [06:27] I've just joined Canonical, a few days ago [06:27] rodarvus: Understood. [06:27] rodarvus: What's your background? [06:36] th1a, linux distribution development, software optimization, a little embedded development, etc [06:36] th1a: you're also going to be in paris next week? === braindead7 [n=CyberPhr@60.48.201.183] has joined #edubuntu [06:40] hi all [06:41] highvoltage: No, actually. [06:41] may i know is there the live cd version for edubuntu [06:41] I drove up to Montreal last time. There's not much for me to do at an Ubuntu conference. [06:41] braindead7, yes, there is [06:42] braindead7, see the download page on www.edubuntu.org [06:42] thanx very much ogra [06:45] So one thing I'm trying to figure out here is which person(s) from Edubuntu should be invited to a small conference in the US about educational data interoperability. [06:46] Which is, generally speaking, an issue that I'd like to get the community up to speed on. [06:46] th1a, Richard can decide that i think [06:46] (once he's here) [06:46] ogra: In a month? [06:47] well, give him some time to get warm with everything :) [06:47] he starts in a month and will have to orientate himself first ... [06:47] when is that conf ? [06:50] th1a: this about SIF? [06:51] highvoltage: just asking, since helen king forwarded me a message about SIF and schooltool, and you were also included on that. [06:52] highvoltage: you talking to yourself again? ;-) [06:53] heh. [06:53] meant to ask th1a :) [06:58] anyone have the link to the oficial edubuntu cookbook handy? [07:11] highvoltage: It is in part about SIF. [07:11] SIF and more. [07:11] ok. [07:11] I have started writing some SIF code in Python, and the good news is that it is WAY easier than I thought it would be. [07:12] th1a, feel free to point me to a bzr branch for packaging it if you want it in edubuntu [07:12] I think we'll have something to at least stick in Edgy multiverse. [07:12] is the schooltool demo server back up again? i'm quite interested to see all the new improvements that you've been talking about. it sounds exciting. [07:13] multiverse? [07:13] th1a, why multiverse ? is it nonfree ? [07:13] Universe, I guess. [07:13] It is free. [07:13] yeah [07:13] Although it should be small enough to stick it in Edubuntu Edgy, since it'll be more likely to attract developer attention that way. [07:14] yep [07:14] universe is the best starting point for that ... [07:14] Since we've quickly determined that we can ditch the old Java monstrosity. [07:14] and probably also utnubu to get it ported to debian later [07:14] Anyhow, it doesn't do much yet, so we can wait a month or so to think about packaging. [07:15] we ship free java, if you can make it work with that ... [07:15] The current code is here: http://sifsoft.com/source/opensadk/trunk/OpenSADK_Python/ [07:15] highvoltage: We'll have an alpha release next week and the demo server back up. === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-56.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [07:43] How do you do pre-formatted text in the Ubuntu wiki? [07:44] I have no clue, sorry [07:45] DanielC: wrap the text with {{{ and }}} [07:46] Thanks. [07:46] DanielC: if they are on the same line as the text, you get just monospaced fonts... [07:47] That's useful. Thanks. [07:47] DanielC: if they are obove and below, you get blocks. [07:47] *above === DanielC is adding his trouble-shooting tips to his page on Ubuntu. [07:51] dan_young: {{ doesn't seem to work for me... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera [07:51] (scroll to the bottom of the page) [07:52] DanielC: shoudl be three {{{ [07:52] thanks [07:52] DanielC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnFormatting [07:52] stoopid me. [07:52] Thanks for the link. [07:53] DanielC: of course [07:56] ogra: http://www.edubuntu.org/Documentation [07:56] ogra: ^^^ the lts.conf guide isn't so hidden anymore [07:57] ogra: i'll make that page a bit prettier though [07:58] i'm just tracking down the problems with local printers with sbartley [07:58] oh, nice :) [08:00] LaserJock, *you* packaged desktop-multiplier ? [08:00] wow [08:00] cool :) [08:01] is that the Burgwork.work's desktop multiplier? or the ubuntu one? [08:01] ogra: me, wha? ;-) [08:01] see dapper-changes :) [08:01] \o/ [08:01] it made it in!!! [08:01] Accepted desktop-multiplier 2.2-3-0ubuntu1 (source) [08:02] I see it, I've been waiting for 2 days now [08:04] Can I add images to the wiki? [08:04] yeah [08:11] ogra: now hopefully I can get paid and tell people how much I dislike closed source packaging ;-) [08:13] How do you make the wiki not turn capital words into links? (e.g. OpenOffice, Firefox). [08:14] put a '''''' inbetween [08:14] six ' ? [08:16] What do you mean by "inbetween"? [08:16] LaserJock: Sorry, I can't figure out your instructions and my guesses aren't working. [08:18] Open''''''Office [08:18] ah [08:19] basically you are bolding (''') nothing ;-) [08:20] Strange work-around, but as long as it works... [08:20] :) [08:20] yeah, that's what I learned [08:21] DanielC: also !WikiName should work [08:22] dan_young: I thought I had tried that... [08:22] DanielC: but only if bang_meta is set, don't know if it is on wiki.ubuntu.com [08:22] it's not :( [08:22] backticks too: Wiki``Name [08:23] that looks better [08:25] oh, yeah, that is better [08:43] tomorrow this time i'll be at cape town international checking in for my flight :) [08:43] highvoltage: Where are you going? [08:44] I'll be at Reno International at this time tommorow :-) [08:44] tomorrow this time i'll be hitting the motorway :) [08:44] DanielC: Paris [08:44] ah [08:44] ogra: are you coming with your Porche? [08:45] i'll try to [08:46] lets see if it survives 2x800km :) [08:46] how long will that take? [08:47] no idea [08:47] depends on the speedlinmits in france and belgium *g* [08:48] heh :) [08:48] 5-6h i guess, belgium forces 120km/h i think [08:48] i wont race :) [08:48] in south africa it's like that. you can't drive more than 120km/h anywhere. [08:49] well, germany has many areas without *any* speedlimit on the motorways === LaserJock does some math [08:49] really? wow. === highvoltage guesses LaserJock isn't on metric system yet :) [08:49] heh [08:49] umm, no [08:49] First time I went to Germany my friend and I were going at 150km and everyone was passing us :) [08:49] I cheated though [08:50] DanielC, yeah thats pretty slow :) [08:50] 120km/h is about what the speed limit is here on highways [08:51] 150 is also a half breeded speed here ... either you drive 100 on the right lane with the trucks or > 160 on the left lane ... [08:51] I don't understand why Europeans drive so fast given that gasoline/petrol is so expensive. [08:51] how do i recursively make md5sums of all the files and subdirectories in a directory? [08:51] to support the economy :) [08:51] i keep loosing my note about that :/ [08:51] heh [08:51] (in fact only because we're mental ill :) ) [08:52] speed is addictive. [08:52] it's particularly weird since Europe is so small :-) [08:53] it's not like you have to go fast to get places ;-) [08:59] highvoltage: I'd do something like: find /foo -exec md5sum '{}' \; [08:59] highvoltage: can you md5sum a dir? [08:59] oh, sorry, not dirs then. just files recursively :) [09:00] find /foo -type f -exec md5sum '{}' \; === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] evenin all [09:03] evening [09:03] ping LaserJock === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089E3ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] hey ogra__ [09:04] three ogras ? [09:04] maybe one of them can help me :p === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu [09:05] dang it [09:05] dan_young: thanks, that worked :) [09:05] highvoltage: NP! === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu [09:10] hi cbx33 [09:11] hi LaserJock === highvoltage uses lintian for the first time [09:13] hehe [09:14] highvoltage, hehe [09:15] highvoltage: use it often :-) === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089E3ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:18] LaserJock: i didn't realise it was this cool (or easy to use). it reminds me of when i first started to validate my pages with w3c :) [09:18] highvoltage, :D === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:19] highvoltage: are you using lintian -I (or is it -i) [09:20] hi all [09:21] ogra: You said that I should see a directory of the form /tmp/.esd-{{UID}}. What does it mean if I don't? [09:21] highvoltage, what are you testing? [09:22] ogra: I can login to the client and hear the Gnome login sound, but there's no .esd in /tmp/ [09:25] cbx33: I said I'd put my trouble shooting tips on the wiki. They're on my page now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera (scroll down). [09:27] LaserJock: no, just lintian, i didn't know about the -i switch. what does it do? [09:28] cbx33: i'm just packaging to learn some more about packaging. currently i'm playing with flock. it's interesting because i'm learning how firefox is packaged, and why it's packaged that way. [09:29] highvoltage, sounds complicated :p [09:29] highvoltage: -i -I give you more info as to what went wrong and how to fix it :-) [09:29] aaah, thanks, good tip :) [09:29] highvoltage, have you used pbuilder ? [09:30] no, i haven't. i think i built a pbuilder chroot way back, but have never used it [09:30] use it [09:30] ;-) [09:30] it's good [09:30] ogra told me to check everything with pbuilder [09:30] LaserJock: yes, it's -i [09:31] is there a pbuilder howto page? i'll definately need a refresher :) [09:32] highvoltage: help.ubuntu.com has a handy little doc called the Ubuntu Packaging Guide *hint* ;-) [09:33] highvoltage, that doc is AMAZING [09:34] DanielC, /etc/default/dhcp3-server shouldnt be touched [09:34] ok ok ok :) [09:34] cbx33: well, I wouldn't say that [09:34] I would [09:34] dhcp3-server autodetects if there is a static interface atht matches the ip range [09:35] ogra: Ok, but did I say it should? In my page I said /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [09:35] Make sure that on /etc/default/dhcp3-server that eth1 is specified in the INTERFACES= but not eth0. [09:35] thats from your page [09:35] ah [09:35] as long as INTERFACES="" it will autodetect [09:35] ogra: Ok, that's the advice someone else gave me. I take it I should delete that? [09:36] as soon as you add an interface name there , autodetection is disabled === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b34.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] ogra: Ok, so someone gave me bad advice... [09:37] its not really *bad* advise, but you cut doen functionallity [09:37] *down [09:37] thats how it had to be with older dhcpd releases [09:38] ogra, can you take a look to edubuntu-de and http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/35888/ [09:38] ogra: fixed [09:39] juliux, openGL isnt possible over ltsp ... [09:39] ogra, ok === DanielC would love to run glx on thin clients ;-) [09:41] yeah [09:41] I need OpenGL for science apps :/ [09:44] LaserJock, implement local apps ;) === highvoltage is surprised how much of edubuntu-de he understands [09:44] ogra: yes sir ;-) [09:44] ogra: if only I knew what I was doing, I'd be on it [09:45] ogra: If I don't see a directory called /tmp/.esd-{UID} that's bad, right? [09:45] highvoltage, well, you speak some weird mix of northern german slang, english and dutch in your country ;)# [09:46] DanielC, does it work ? [09:46] ogra: No. [09:46] thats bad then [09:46] ogra: I mean, the gnome login plays a sound, but nothing else works after that. [09:46] ogra: yeah, i think i'm going to keep reading that channel. one day when there's a meeting in germany i won't have to buy a german cd/book ;) [09:46] ogra: I tried rythmbox and totem-gstreamer btw. [09:47] highvoltage: I've tried that to, I didn't get very far :( [09:48] LaserJock: i tried that with the spanish channel, didn't work for me either. German seems like a much easier language to interpret, since it contains many elements of my native language. I think it might work this time. [09:48] it's all non-english to me ;-) [09:49] stupid uni-lingual Americans :-) [09:49] i thought americans learn a second language in high school? like spanish or french? [09:49] Laserjock: call them monoglots, that's fun. [09:49] highvoltage: some, I never did [09:50] I'm 4th year PhD and I've never been required to take a second language [09:50] highvoltage: some, but not very much. Not like you would in Canada or Europe. [09:50] that's interesting. i always thought that it's very common to learn a second language in school. [09:50] I should have, in hindsight [09:50] highvoltage: The USA is not typical. [09:51] it seems easier to learn another language if you already know more than one, according to people who know a lot. [09:51] DanielC: what do you mean? [09:51] highvoltage: most countries have a higher motivation to learn another language and greater awareness of the outside world than the USA. [09:51] although there are more and more spanish speaking people in the US so there is more emphasis on learning languages than when I was younger [09:52] in all the american 'school' movies i've watched there's some spanish or french class. that's probably why I thought so. [09:52] where I live, virtually all service jobs want bilingual people [09:52] highvoltage: For example, Canada is a bilingual country, the third world needs to export to the first world, Europe is made of many different countries, etc. [09:53] highvoltage: they are available for sure, but a lot of the time they aren't required === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [09:53] highvoltage: I know English and Spanish and I'm trying to learn German. I'd definitely say that learning a third language after you are bilingual is much easier. [09:54] DanielC, you want to learn german? [09:54] I do too [09:54] juliux: yes [09:54] cool [09:54] DanielC, juliux can teach you, he's in your country ;) [09:55] German is pretty popular for chemists [09:55] i thought that was latin :) [09:55] DanielC, ogra is right, so you can me teach english and i can teach you german ;) [09:55] :-) [09:56] DanielC, where in u.k. are you? [09:56] juliux: Not sure if you want to learn English from me. I'm not a native speaker. [09:56] juliux: Tamworth, near Birmingham. [09:57] DanielC, its only 2.5h from london ;) [09:57] heh [09:57] but the most times the trains are late so i think 3h ;) === juliux needs a beer [09:58] :) [09:59] a good german becks beer bought in england ;) === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@200.29.22.33] has joined #edubuntu [10:03] hi mhz [10:06] ogra: not in chemistry, German is good because most of the old journals from the early 1900's are in German [10:06] haha, funny [10:06] ogra: How do I test if esd is running other than checking /tmp/.esd* ? What should I see on the output of "ps aux"? [10:06] yeah, back then there was some inteilligence in that country ... i wonder where its gone :) [10:06] chemistry and physics have a heavy German influence [10:07] DanielC, esd should run on the client ... you shouldt see it on the server at all [10:07] LaserJock, yea she good old germany ;) [10:07] some time ago you used to *have* to learn German to get a PhD here [10:07] s/she/the [10:07] ogra: Ok, so I guess that the fact that I don't is a good thing... [10:07] the would give you a test where you had to translate a German chemistry article into English before you could get your PhD [10:08] yeah [10:08] and if you hear the login sound all should be fine [10:08] but now, people don't even now English and get there PhDs [10:09] ogra: Ok. [10:09] cbx33: ping [10:11] ogra: Is there anything I can test? The gstreamer-properties test works, but totem-gstreamer and rythmbox don't. [10:11] what are you trying to play ? both work here [10:12] ogra: Just an Ogg file. It worked before... [10:12] It's not a codec issue or any such. [10:19] ogra: Should there be something in the server's /etc/var/daemon.log? (there isn't, and the client doesn't have a daemon.log). [10:20] only in the users .xsession-errors the daemon runs fine [10:21] Hmm... I don't see anything relevant in .xsession-errors === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-122.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94abb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@230-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-237-163.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu