[12:31] <lucasvo> that was a learning session :P
[12:32] <lucasvo> 3h learning biology around midnight
[12:52] <lucasvo> highvoltage: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/lucasvo < there's my todolist
[03:28] <bddebian> Hello
[06:50] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[06:50] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:50] <cbx33> hey
[06:50] <cbx33> how are you
[06:51] <LaserJock> ack, tired, busy, stressed, and you? :-)
[06:51] <cbx33> just woke up but at the mo, gunky throat, tired, 
[06:51] <LaserJock> did you get my email
[06:51] <cbx33> just checking
[06:52] <cbx33> I see it
[06:52] <cbx33> can you make me a project admin
[06:52] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:52] <cbx33> I'm a developer at the mo, and I can't change anything
[06:56] <cbx33> did you see the new layout too?
[06:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:56] <LaserJock> I think
[07:00] <cbx33> you sound unsure, I think you'd probably know if you'd seen it
[07:00] <cbx33> brand new gui....icons......big info window......lots of cool little features ???
[07:02] <HedgeMage> anyone know when pygi is due back?
[07:02] <cbx33> no
[07:02] <cbx33> could be anytime HedgeMage 
[07:02] <HedgeMage> ok
[07:03] <HedgeMage> btw, thanks again my mom is so ecstatic :)
[07:03] <cbx33> good good
[07:03] <cbx33> did you do some more content with her
[07:08] <cbx33> speak of the devil :p
[07:08] <cbx33> well speak of pygi anyway :p
[07:08] <cbx33> HedgeMage, is looking for you:p
[07:09] <pygi> cbx33, you and your devil :P
[07:09] <pygi> HedgeMage, how may I help you? :)
[07:09] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[07:09] <pygi> hi hi
[07:09] <HedgeMage> just wanted to hash through a few things for cookbook, but I need a few minutes I have phone calls to make
[07:10] <pygi> you know it's 7:00 am here, and I gotta run in two minutes? :)
[07:10] <pygi> 7:10 am that is :P
[07:10] <LaserJock> cbx33: I think I did, my day has been terrible
[07:11] <HedgeMage> pygi: didn't know that... :)  when will you be free?
[07:11] <pygi> HedgeMage, not sure :P should be 12:00 UTC
[07:13] <HedgeMage> ouch
[07:13] <HedgeMage> that's the crack of dawn here
[07:13] <HedgeMage> I'll catch you when I get up if I can, otherwise I'll give up and email you and we can do it the slow way :)
[07:14] <pygi> HedgeMage, hehe :)
[07:17] <pygi> no worries HedgeMage ;)
[07:49] <jsgotangco> cheers
[07:49] <HedgeMage> hi jsgotangco 
[07:49] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> I HAVE MY HANDWRITTEN VISA
[07:50] <HedgeMage> hrm?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> long funny story at the embassy
[07:51] <jsgotangco> basically their network hasn't been running since wednesday and couldn't issue anything electronically
[07:51] <HedgeMage> ouch!
[07:52] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: do you by chance have time for me to /msg you some dumb questions?
[07:52] <jsgotangco> sure im in an outdoor hotspot though can't stay long
[07:52] <HedgeMage> ok
[08:09] <bimberi_> yay jsgotangco, c'est magnifique n'est pas! :)
[08:09] <jsgotangco> oui!
[08:36] <jsgotangco> au revoir!
[08:36] <HedgeMage> ttyl jsgotangco 
[09:50] <highvoltage> bonjour
[09:50] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[09:52] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage
[09:52] <highvoltage> what's up?
[09:52] <HedgeMage> can't sleep so I'm putting up the other cookbook info I promised at the meeting
[09:52] <HedgeMage> at least some of it
[09:54] <highvoltage> ok, kewl!
[10:29] <DanielC> Error on the getting started page. The first screen-shot in the "Configuring Thin Client Booting" section (second image) shows "lts.conf" instead of "dhcpd.conf"
[10:34] <DanielC> Where can I get a list of keyboard layouts? I'm trying to figure out which one is "British English".
[10:45] <DanielC> I'm editing ltsp.conf; is NETWORK_COMPRESSION good or bad?
[10:50] <highvoltage> DanielC: it's generally good
[10:50] <DanielC> thanks
[10:50] <DanielC> What does it do?
[10:51] <highvoltage> it will take slightly more cpu time on your server and thin clients, because it compresses the ssh data that gets sent to the thin clients
[10:51] <highvoltage> but it improves your network performance.
[10:51] <DanielC> And on thin clients the network is the limiting factor?
[10:51] <highvoltage> network bandwidth is often a bigger problem than cpu capability, so in most cases, network compression should improve performance.
[10:52] <highvoltage> yes, especially on graphical intensive apps.
[10:52] <highvoltage> i haven't tested it extensively yet, or ina lab,
[10:52] <highvoltage> but i've tested it with frozen bubble on a two thin clients last week, and it made a significant improvement
[10:52] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[10:52] <DanielC> I enabled it and left a not explaining what it does.
[10:52] <DanielC> :-)
[10:53] <DanielC> That's good then. These are primary kids and I expect them to play games like frozen bubble.
[10:54] <highvoltage> frozen bubble is often kills the network on ltsp :)
[10:54] <highvoltage> let us know how that works out ;)
[10:54] <DanielC> np :)
[10:57] <spacey> hi there
[10:57] <spacey> made progress DanielC?
[10:58] <DanielC> spacey: Lots.
[10:58] <DanielC> Everything works now except sound.
[10:58] <spacey> SOUND = Y ?
[10:58] <spacey> :)
[10:58] <DanielC> tried that :(
[10:58] <DanielC> The sound comes off from the server's sound card instead of the client.
[10:58] <spacey> hehe
[10:59] <spacey> the sound should be outputted to esd
[10:59] <spacey> esd is running?
[10:59] <DanielC> Must be if sound is coming out of the server.
[11:00] <DanielC> When a client plays an Ogg file the sound comes out of the server.
[11:00] <spacey> then i might as well use alsa
[11:00] <spacey> s/i/it
[11:00] <spacey> what media player do you use?
[11:00] <DanielC> I tried Totem. Should that matter?
[11:00] <spacey> ok
[11:00] <spacey> that should work
[11:00] <spacey> well non-gstreamer apps need additional configuration
[11:01] <spacey> if you type `ps aux | grep esd`
[11:01] <spacey> does that show anything?
[11:01] <DanielC> totem-gstreamer didn't work. I later replaced it by totem-xine and that's what I'm running now.
[11:01] <HedgeMage> I give up, I'm incapable of writing anything coherent at this hour, especially while dealing with trolls in other chans.
[11:01] <spacey> DanielC: hehe
[11:02] <spacey> so then you might need to specify it
[11:02] <DanielC> spacye: ps aux | grep esd == "/usr/bin/esd - terminate -nobeeps -as 1 -spawnfd 18"
[11:02] <spacey> but you should hear gnome sounds anyway
[11:02] <DanielC> But you see, if that was the problem then the sounds would not be coming out of the server.
[11:03] <DanielC> If the problem was the app, then there would be no sound at all anywhere.
[11:03] <DanielC> Right?
[11:03] <DanielC> Or am I confused?
[11:03] <spacey> partly yes
[11:03] <spacey> if you type `gstreamer-properties`
[11:03] <spacey> is esound selected?
[11:04] <DanielC> one sec...
[11:04] <DanielC> output == autodetect
[11:05] <DanielC> Options include ALSA, ESD, OSS.
[11:05] <spacey> http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig
[11:05] <DanielC> *click*
[11:05] <spacey> try SOUND = true
[11:06] <DanielC> I did.
[11:06] <DanielC> I'm happy to try again.
[11:06] <spacey> well at least you should keep it in :)
[11:06] <DanielC> Should I select "esd" instead of "autodetect"?
[11:07] <spacey> i never had to select it
[11:07] <DanielC> ok
[11:07] <spacey> but it does need to output to esd
[11:07] <spacey> just try to restart the client first after you set SOUND = true in lts.conf
[11:10] <DanielC> Hmmm... I can hear the Gnome sounds now...
[11:11] <DanielC> This is my lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/712541
[11:12] <spacey> if you hear gnome sounds
[11:12] <DanielC> totem doesn't work, so it looks like it is the application.
[11:12] <spacey> from the client, it should work
[11:12] <spacey> well totem-gstreamer would work
[11:12] <DanielC> Ok, so I'll add that, and remove totem-xine.
[11:13] <spacey> i don't like totem at all, but it should work
[11:13] <DanielC> Sound on Firefox doesn't work either.
[11:13] <DanielC> Totem is fine, I have no problems with it.
[11:14] <spacey> thats because the flash plugin sucks
[11:14] <DanielC> :(
[11:14] <spacey> afaik the flash plugin only wants to output to OSS
[11:14] <DanielC> The same flash video works on my desktop with sound.
[11:14] <DanielC> ah
[11:14] <DanielC> Well that sucks.
[11:14] <spacey> indeed
[11:14] <DanielC> totem works!
[11:15] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[11:15] <spacey> madness!
[11:15] <cbx33> mornin all
[11:15] <spacey> :)
[11:15] <spacey> morning
[11:15] <DanielC> So... there's probably no way to get sound working with Firefox+Flash?
[11:16] <cbx33> I have it working?
[11:16] <cbx33> or is this some special case
[11:16] <cbx33> RobinShepheard: did you get my mai?
[11:16] <RobinShepheard> hiya everybody
[11:17] <cbx33> hey RobinShepheard 
[11:17] <RobinShepheard> cbx33: No can't say I did
[11:18] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: thanks for the meeting notes, good job :)
[11:18] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage: Where they all right, not too long winded??
[11:18] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: they were very good :)
[11:18] <DanielC> spacey: There's probably no way to get sound to work with Firefox+Flash?
[11:18] <RobinShepheard> I wasn't sure, first time I have had to take minutes
[11:19] <cbx33> DanielC: in what circumstances
[11:19] <DanielC> cbx33: Thin client. spacey says that sound only works if you use esd and that the flash plugin will only use oss.
[11:20] <DanielC> At least, that's my interpretation of the situation.
[11:20] <cbx33> ah
[11:20] <cbx33> ok
[11:20] <cbx33> he could very well be right then
[11:21] <Amaranth> the -25 kernel broke my sound
[11:22] <DanielC> go back to the old kernel.
[11:24] <Amaranth> well, yeah
[11:24] <Amaranth> but first i'm going to see what was changed
[11:26] <Amaranth> DanielC: esddsp firefox
[11:27] <Amaranth> it demolishes performance when you run vmware like that but it shouldn't hurt firefox
[11:50] <DanielC> Does anyone know what "RCFILE_02 = floppyd" does in lts.conf?
[12:35] <ogra> DanielC, it starts the floppyd (which we dont ship)
[12:35] <ogra> its an ltsp.org setting
[12:36] <DanielC> ogra: What is floppyd?
[12:36] <DanielC> Sounds like floppy drive daemon.
[12:36] <DanielC> Never heard of such thing though.
[12:36] <ogra> i think a local device daemon, but i'm not really awake yet
[12:36] <DanielC> ok
[12:36] <DanielC> ogra: Where are you located? What time is it for you?
[12:37] <ogra> we'll address local devices in an autodetected manner :)
[12:37] <ogra> i'm in germany, but i was up until 5
[12:37] <DanielC> ah
[12:37] <ogra> so i'm rather on a westamerican TZ ;)
[12:38] <DanielC> Looks like you get flexible work hours though :)
[12:38] <ogra> well, since my workplace is this channel :)
[12:38] <DanielC> cool
[12:38] <DanielC> Didn't think of it like that.
[12:45] <RobinShepheard> help, I am a bit confused, I am so used to using the mail program 'mail' in my scripts I didn't think about it. It doesn't seem to be installed by default, where is it???
[12:47] <RobinShepheard> I can't seem to find a package just called mail. Does anyone know which package it is part of or if there is a similar package??
[12:47] <RobinShepheard> I suppose I could get around it by re-doing all my scripts in perl and using net::smtp but I would rather avoid that if i can
[12:50] <DanielC> How about sendmail?
[12:50] <DanielC> I haven't used it much, but I once wrote a shell script that used sendmail.
[12:54] <ogra> heh, sendmail is a bit oversized for the task :)
[12:55] <ogra> install postfix
[12:55] <DanielC> Package 'mailx' provides the command /usr/bin/mail
[12:56] <DanielC> Description says "A simple mail user agent".
[12:56] <DanielC> Maybe that's the one you want?
[12:56] <ogra> there was a simple conclusion that a mailserver isnt really needed on desktop systems, so we dont ship any mailserver by default since breezy
[12:56] <DanielC> RobinShepheard: package 'mailx'
[12:56] <ogra> mailx is an MUA ... you will still need an MTA :)
[12:57] <DanielC> Ok, mailx+postfix
[12:57] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bazaar/LtspManager$ apt-cache show mailx|grep Depends
[12:57] <ogra> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), postfix | mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0)
[12:57] <ogra> ;)
[01:05] <RobinShepheard> DanielC: cheers
[01:06] <RobinShepheard> ogra: No problem, cheers for the grep statement
[01:12] <cbx33> man I'm getting so much done today
[01:12] <cbx33> so ogra think gisomount could be useful even to you :p
[01:13] <cbx33> I've expanded the info section it can now pull out ALL iso volumne information :D
[01:13] <cbx33> are there any features you think it could do with?
[01:14] <ogra> i susally dont check my isos with md5sum and if i mount an iso i have to do other stuff on the commandline with it, but its usweful to non developers, i'm pretty sure :)
[01:14] <cbx33> ogra: well I'm trying to make it useful to developers too, at least that's what I'd like
[01:14] <cbx33> what other options do you need to mount it with?
[01:14] <cbx33> or are you saying you noramlly 
[01:15] <cbx33> just mount it command line and then maipulate on the command line?
[01:15] <kbrooks> cbx33: link to gisomount ?
[01:15] <ogra> for me as developer an rsync button would be cool that pops up a progress dialog showing the rsync progress ... but thats very much limited to devs and iso testers
[01:15] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/+branch/gisomount/devel
[01:15] <kbrooks> k
[01:15] <kbrooks> ty
[01:15] <cbx33> ogra: I was actually going to do something like that
[01:16] <cbx33> I was going to make a front end for your rsyncer script
[01:16] <ogra> ah, cool :)
[01:16] <cbx33> useful?
[01:16] <cbx33> +l
[01:16] <cbx33> -l
[01:16] <cbx33> + brain
[01:16] <cbx33> I'm not all here...been doing too much non-edubuntu work
[01:16] <cbx33> it's not good
[01:16] <cbx33> ogra: do you have any more updates to rsyncer yet?
[01:17] <cbx33> or is it fairly static at the moment?
[01:17] <cbx33> kbrooks: thanks for the python help yesterday
[01:17] <kbrooks> cbx33: np
[01:17] <cbx33> I'm still a n00b at it 
[01:18] <kbrooks> cbx33: nice GUI
[01:18] <cbx33> thanks
[01:18] <cbx33> it's changed a lot since the first conception
[01:18] <cbx33> I did that yesterday
[01:18] <cbx33> it used to look like this
[01:19] <kbrooks> cbx33: redundant tabs
[01:19] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/gisomount.png
[01:19] <ogra> cbx33, it might evolve, but i wont drop existing features
[01:19] <kbrooks> reduce to 1
[01:19] <ogra> i cant say much yet because i will not use it for some months now :)
[01:20] <cbx33> kbrooks: it's like that because.....someone told me to setup everything in glade
[01:20] <kbrooks> cbx33: don't listen to them all the time
[01:20] <cbx33> and not to faf around with using python to create massive amounts of g...t.......I've just had a great idea
[01:20] <cbx33> I'll just hide them until they need to be used
[01:20] <cbx33> of course !!!
[01:21] <cbx33> thanks kbrooks 
[01:21] <kbrooks> g what?:P
[01:21] <cbx33> gtk
[01:22] <kbrooks> cbx33: dialogs are intrusive :P
[01:22] <DanielC> Is anyone here familiar with gdmXnest? I ssh'd to the client tunnelling X (ssh -X) and ran gdmXnest. I got a new window with the nested X server, but no gdm.
[01:23] <DanielC> Don't know what to do...
[01:23] <ogra> heh
[01:23] <cbx33> kbrooks: could you submit a bug for that on LP
[01:23] <kbrooks> cbx33: your code sucks :P too much all over the place
[01:23] <ogra> gdm isnt installed on the client 
[01:23] <cbx33> I'll fix that tonight
[01:23] <cbx33> kbrooks: I know
[01:23] <ogra> so you cant execute that ...
[01:23] <cbx33> I'd like some suggestions
[01:23] <DanielC> ogra: I ssh'd to the server.
[01:24] <DanielC> ogra: I mis-wrote.
[01:24] <ogra> oh, ok
[01:24] <kbrooks> cbx33: can i suggest them here?
[01:24] <cbx33> sure or in pm?
[01:24] <cbx33> I have to pop out for lunch
[01:24] <ogra> but you are already sshed to the server at this point 
[01:24] <cbx33> but I'll be back
[01:24] <cbx33> alternatively email would be cool too
[01:25] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[01:25] <kbrooks> cbx33: look at the info part
[01:25] <kbrooks> of the list
[01:25] <DanielC> ogra: I just wanted to see if it was possible to run a a remote GUI connection to the server.
[01:25] <kbrooks> cbx33: use that ;)
[01:25] <cbx33> kbrooks: I'm confused?
[01:25] <DanielC> ogra: (from a regular Linux computer, you now, nested).
[01:25] <kbrooks> cbx33: in the GUI, there is a "key | info"
[01:26] <kbrooks> ah, nm, cbx33 
[01:26] <ogra> DanielC, then you should run it remote ;) if you shh -X from a logged in client you ssh to localhost ;)
[01:26] <ogra> *ssh
[01:26] <kbrooks> im stupid
[01:26] <ogra> DanielC, ah, k
[01:26] <cbx33> right I have to dash...but I'll be back...and will be very open to suggestions
[01:26] <kbrooks> cbx33: ok
[01:26] <ogra> DanielC, you want to run a complete session ?
[01:27] <DanielC> ogra: Yes. It's not important, just nice to have.
[01:28] <ogra> DanielC, you need a started Xserver on the client (with an xterm or something) and run: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
[01:29] <DanielC> Ok, I'll try that.
[01:29] <ogra> i never tried to use ldm for such stuff (i bet some environment variables will be missing the ltsp-client scripts set up) but theoretically you should be able to use it like with a thin client
[01:29] <DanielC> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[01:30] <ogra> oh, right, make sure you have already logged in once with that user via ssh
[01:30] <kbrooks> DanielC: ogra?
[01:30] <kbrooks> does pmount support loop mounting?
[01:30] <ogra> so the hostkey of the server is stored for the user
[01:31] <DanielC> ogra: I'm not sure what you mean. I already logged in from a different terminal...  Maybe I'm confused.
[01:31] <ogra> kbrooks, i dont think so, pitti woould know (he wrote p(itti)mount)
[01:31] <kbrooks> is mount -t loop valid?
[01:31] <ogra> DanielC, oh, well, that might be your problem then, try another user thats not running an X session already (and has no xauth file lying around)
[01:32] <ogra> kbrooks, mount -o loop is valig and will autoload the loop module 
[01:32] <ogra> *valid
[01:32] <ogra> loop is not a filesystem ;)
[01:33] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, that half-worked. Gnome crashed, but I think I'll stop here. This isn't important enough to spend much time on.
[01:34] <DanielC> What the heck...
[01:34] <DanielC> I closed the ssh connection and gaim crashed.
[01:36] <kbrooks> ogra: typo
[01:36] <kbrooks> is pmount -t loop valid?
[01:37] <DanielC> I'm having problems with gaim. The Gnome gaim applet is gone and now when I close the Buddy List all of gaim quits.
[01:37] <ogra> lopp is still no filesystem :)
[01:37] <ogra> *loop
[01:38] <ogra> kbrooks, i dont think pmount supports the -o switch
[01:39] <EmxBA> hi 
[01:39] <EmxBA> hi ogra
[01:47] <DanielC> What's with today's update? It's huge.
[01:48] <DanielC> About 50 packages being updated.
[01:48] <EmxBA> at me only 9
[01:48] <EmxBA> i updated all of them yesterday
[01:48] <EmxBA> and today again, just only 9
[01:48] <EmxBA> but on Ubuntu :)
[01:49] <DanielC> Mine says that the linux kernel was kept back. Why is it kept back? Should I upgrade it?
[01:49] <EmxBA> it is kept back at me too.
[01:50] <ogra> wait until all pieces are ready
[01:50] <DanielC> ogra: What do you mean?
[01:51] <ogra> wait until all packages are there so nothing is kept back anymore
[01:51] <ogra> there is something missing if a package is kept back
[01:51] <EmxBA> maybe you don't have all the packages required for kernel update
[01:51] <DanielC> I see. So "kept back" means that there's an update but I should wait for something else before getting it.
[01:51] <ogra> yeah
[01:51] <EmxBA> right
[01:52] <ogra> kept back usually means a depending package isnt there yet
[01:52] <DanielC> ok
[01:52] <ogra> whats being kept back ? 
[01:52] <DanielC> ogra: Linux kernel
[01:52] <ogra> which package eaxctly ? 
[01:52] <DanielC> ogra: linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386
[01:52] <EmxBA> linux image 
[01:53] <ogra> yeah they are both metapackages
[01:53] <DanielC> ok
[01:54] <ogra> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-image-386
[01:54] <ogra> 22k big :)
[01:55] <EmxBA> is nerolinux available for ubuntu
[01:59] <kbrooks> see you later
[01:59] <EmxBA> hi pygi
[02:01] <DanielC> I'll restart gnome to see if that makes Gaim work again.
[02:01] <DanielC> I hate restarting programs. It feels like Windows.
[02:03] <DanielC> That wasn't so bad.
[02:03] <DanielC> I only restarted the gnome panel.
[02:03] <EmxBA> DanielC: :)
[02:04] <EmxBA> feels like windows, really
[02:04] <DanielC> Better than rebooting the entire OS though.
[02:04] <EmxBA> well, yes
[02:04] <DanielC> I didn't even have to close applications besides gaim.
[02:07] <DanielC> ogra: Sound is now working on thin clients except for Firefox (ie. Flash).
[02:08] <DanielC> ogra: I can play Ogg files with totem-gstreamer but a Flash movie that works on my desktop doesn't work on the thin client.
[02:08] <DanielC> ogra: Any ideas?
[02:09] <EmxBA> i have the same problem
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: kbrooks : pmount doesn't support the -o switch
[02:13] <ogra> did you try calling firefox with esddsp in front ?
[02:14] <DanielC> ogra: what? How do I do that?
[02:14] <ogra> the problem with flash is that it needs a LD_PRELOAD avriable ste, but that can crash firefox and is a security hole so the LD_PRELOAD in th efirefox startup wrapper was disabled by our security team
[02:15] <ogra> just run: esddsp firefox
[02:15] <ogra> and check if it works then
[02:15] <ogra> you might probably have to set options for esddsp, not sure
[02:18] <DanielC> Hmm... I can't login to the thin clients again.
[02:19] <DanielC> I wonder if my experimentation with X broke something. I can't see how it would though.
[02:23] <DanielC> Damm it. The client won't login anymore.
[02:24] <DanielC> The application 'x-session-manager' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0;
[02:24] <DanielC> most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
[02:24] <DanielC> the application.
[02:24] <DanielC> Does anyone know what this means?
[02:30] <DanielC> ogra: Ever seen that before?  "x-session-manager lot its connection to the display localhost:10.0; most likely the X server was shut down"
[02:32] <DanielC> ogra: ldm.conf says "X11 connection rejected becaue of wrong authentication"
[02:39] <DanielC> I've tried rebooting the server, running ltsl-update-kernels, ltsp-update-sshkeys and rebooting the client. But no change.
[02:41] <DanielC> Here is ~/.xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/712839
[02:44] <DanielC> Moving lts.conf away doesn't change anything.
[02:45] <DanielC> Ok, I can login with a *different* *account*
[02:45] <DanielC> So the problem is with the user account itself.
[02:47] <DanielC> I moved ~/.Xauthority* away and now I can log in. But Gnome is messed up...
[02:50] <ogra> in which way ?
[02:50] <ogra> (sorry was afk)
[02:51] <DanielC> ogra: The icons are wrong, and it gives me errors that some apps (applets I think) crashed.
[02:51] <DanielC> it's definitely usable, just ugly.
[02:52] <DanielC> And it's only with this one account.
[02:52] <DanielC> I'm moving every config file into another directory.
[02:52] <ogra> looks like gnome-settings-daemon didnt like your mucking around with xauth 
[02:53] <ogra> check the permissions of the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs
[02:53] <DanielC> Yes, it's gnome-settings-daemon
[02:53] <DanielC> ogra: what should those permissions be? 755/644?
[02:54] <ogra> 700
[02:54] <DanielC> ok
[02:54] <ogra> and they should be owned by the user indeed
[02:55] <DanielC> They look alright.
[02:57] <ogra> is an old gnome-settings-daemon still running ?
[02:57] <DanielC> How can I test for that? I doubt it because I rebooted the server.
[02:58] <DanielC> "ps aux|grep settings" shows only one.
[02:58] <ogra> ok, thats not it then
[02:59] <DanielC> When Gnome starts it says "the daemon restarted too many times; I'll try to restart it next time you log in"
[02:59] <DanielC> Logging in again doesn't change the error.
[02:59] <ogra> try moving the .gconf* and .gnome* dirs away
[03:01] <DanielC> I did. It still complains.
[03:02] <DanielC> I logged out and logged back in and I got *fewer* errors the second time.
[03:02] <DanielC> All the "such and such crashed" errors are gone. But still complains about the settings daemon.
[03:04] <ogra> there must be something left in the /tmp dir i guess thats operating with the wrong xauth file form your ssh -X try
[03:04] <DanielC> I see /tmp/gconfd-admin
[03:04] <slashdevnull> Hello and good morning (whatever time it is in your time zone)
[03:05] <cbx33> ping kbrooks 
[03:05] <DanielC> ogra: Is it safe to log everything out and run 'rm -r /tmp/*' ?
[03:05] <ogra> should be, yes ... do it as a user, so you cant kill important stuff
[03:07] <DanielC> ogra: That fixed it. Thanks!
[03:15] <ogra> Accepted ltsp-manager 0.0.1-1 (source)
[03:15] <ogra> yippie !
[03:15] <cbx33> ogra: w00t
[03:15] <bddebian> Hello
[03:15] <slashdevnull> ogra: Just wanted to say thinaks yet again, and let you know of an issue I'm running into with ltsp
[03:15] <cbx33> ogra: think you got a minute at somepoint soon to have a quick ganders at my code?
[03:15] <DanielC> ogra: Is that the one you showed us the other day? Yay!
[03:17] <ogra> yeps, thats the initial upload of the management gui
[03:17] <ogra> now it just needs the meissing features :)
[03:17] <cbx33> nice one ogra :D
[03:17] <slashdevnull> Actually, I need to do a little more testing before laying out more ltsp troubles. 
[03:17] <slashdevnull> Oooh, ltsp-manager! Spiff!
[03:18] <cbx33> after it's been optimised
[03:18] <ogra> cbx33, Laser_away and me will approve it if the packaging is ok, so dont worry
[03:18] <cbx33> ogra: thanks, i just need someone to give me some advice on the code
[03:19] <cbx33> after kbrooks said it was crap
[03:19] <ogra> you can change it the next 4 months still ... 
[03:19] <ogra> uploading it will get you users that file bugs ...
[03:19] <ogra> so focus on getting it out, you can do changes later
[03:21] <cbx33> ogra: even if it's incomplete
[03:21] <cbx33> and buggy?
[03:21] <ogra> sure
[03:21] <cbx33> if that's the case,
[03:21] <ogra> ltsp-manager is far from being complete 
[03:21] <cbx33> I would really relaly appreciate you glancing over it
[03:22] <cbx33> and if you say it's cool I'll ask Laser_away and you to put it in
[03:22] <ogra> its just important to fix it until release 
[03:22] <cbx33> I know Laser_away is really really busy right now
[03:22] <slashdevnull> DanielC, what do I have to do to get sound working in ltsp?
[03:22] <ogra> getting bugs and feedback is very important to get it right
[03:22] <cbx33> he's been wanting to add code to gisomount but just hasn't had the time
[03:22] <slashdevnull> The wiki mentions modifying source code...?
[03:22] <cbx33> I know
[03:22] <ogra> slashdevnull, ??
[03:23] <highvoltage> hey everyone
[03:23] <ogra> can you point me to that wikipage please so i can correct it ? 
[03:23] <cbx33> hey MNr highvoltage 
[03:23] <highvoltage> ogra: when are you leaving for Paris, on Sunday?
[03:23] <ogra> slashdevnull, http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig
[03:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: hey!
[03:23] <slashdevnull> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientAudioSupport mentions code to be added to ldm
[03:23] <slashdevnull> Ah, nm. Wrong wiki. :P
[03:23] <cbx33> howz it going
[03:23] <ogra> highvoltage, saturday evening/night ... i dont like driving long distance during the day
[03:24] <ogra> slashdevnull, that was the spec for the implementation
[03:24] <ogra> slashdevnull, its *not* a howto
[03:24] <DanielC> ogra: Now sound doesn't work on totem-gstreamer. It just works logging into gnome (you know, the login sounds).
[03:25] <ogra> did you play with your multimedia settings ? (dont do that)
[03:25] <cbx33> heheheh
[03:25] <DanielC> ogra: Not that I know of.
[03:25] <highvoltage> lol
[03:25] <slashdevnull> ok, ogra. Thanks
[03:25] <DanielC> At least, not since last time it worked.
[03:26] <ogra> the gstreamer properties should use the autodetection sink (default)... else you wont have ltsp sound 
[03:26] <DanielC> Ok.
[03:27] <DanielC> I don't think I've touched totem or gstreamer settings beyond moving ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome* to another directory.
[03:27] <slashdevnull> So, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams is out of date? It mentions that SOUND is not yet implemented.
[03:27] <ogra> the autosink iterates over all possible output methods and picks the best one *unless* it sees that you are logged in via ltsp, then it points directly to the forwarded esd output
[03:27] <ogra> slashdevnull, see the line at the top please
[03:28] <ogra> its still recent for what it was written for
[03:30] <cbx33> ogra: would you want me to use the script as it is?
[03:30] <cbx33> the rsync one that is?
[03:30] <cbx33> then it would help interoperability
[03:30] <ogra> feel free to make improvements, patches accepted ;)
[03:30] <cbx33> ogra: I oculd never patch you :p
[03:30] <ogra> sure you could ;)
[03:31] <DanielC> I ran totem with the --debug flag and the only message is "failed to initialize lirc".
[03:31] <DanielC> I don't know what lirc is.
[03:31] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna make some dummy isos
[03:31] <cbx33> so I can try it easy
[03:31] <cbx33> and quickly
[03:35] <cbx33> ogra
[03:35] <cbx33> your rsync script
[03:36] <cbx33> the actual rsync bit does, rsync -az --progress rsy....iso iso iso
[03:36] <cbx33> why three parameters
[03:36] <ogra> one would suffice ...
[03:37] <cbx33> so why the three?
[03:37] <cbx33> :p
[03:37] <cbx33> just outta interest
[03:38] <ogra> no idea
[03:38] <ogra> :)
[03:38] <ogra> *shrug*
[03:38] <cbx33> ok :p i get it
[03:38] <cbx33> IDWIWIJD
[03:39] <cbx33> I don;t know why it works, it just does !
[03:39] <rodarvus> hi guys
[03:39] <kholerabbi> Hello :)
[03:39] <DanielC> Ok, let's go for a different problem. When I login as a different user I get no sound at all (not even the login sound). When I start totem I get the error "could not connect to sound daemon".
[03:40] <DanielC> This is a user I added early, before doing most of the configuration. But why would one user get sound and the other not?
[03:45] <ogra> morning rodarvus 
[03:46] <rodarvus> hi there, ogra
[03:46] <rodarvus> I've seen ltsp-manager was already uploaded to edgy ;)
[03:46] <rodarvus> great news
[03:46] <ogra> yeah
[03:47] <ogra> i'm just creating a branch for it in LP
[03:47] <cbx33> ogra: how soon do you think gisomount could be in?
[03:47] <DanielC> spacey: Hi. Do you have any idea why sound would work for one user but not another? (I'm speaking of the Gnome login sound and a brand new user).
[03:47] <ogra> cbx33, lets wait for Laser_away 
[03:48] <cbx33> oh yeh sure
[03:48] <rodarvus> DanielC, different users might have different sound servers configured - that might be the reason
[03:48] <cbx33> i was speaking hypothetically
[03:48] <DanielC> rodarvus: Ok. How do you configure a sound server for a user?
[03:48] <ogra> rodarvus, nope ... by default ltsp should fall back to esd for all users ...
[03:49] <ogra> the gstreamer autosink cares for that ...
[03:49] <rodarvus> oh
[03:49] <ogra> (which is the default setting for all new users)
[03:49] <DanielC> :(
[03:49] <DanielC> ogra: Could sabayon get in the way of that?
[03:49] <ogra> look with the env command if ESPEAKER is set for that user
[03:49] <ogra> (and where it points to)
[03:50] <ogra> usually that should be clientIP:port
[03:50] <ogra> where port is 16001
[03:50] <DanielC> It is.
[03:50] <cbx33> DanielC: i hope you're documenting all this :p
[03:50] <cbx33> would be good others wanting to do the same
[03:51] <ogra> hmm, is the client the same hardware as the former ? 
[03:51] <DanielC> 192.168.17.247:16001
[03:51] <ogra> (might be a driver prob)
[03:51] <DanielC> cbx33: I've been documenting all the solutions I've found. When I solve sound I'll document that too.
[03:51] <cbx33> nice DanielC 
[03:51] <DanielC> ogra: But why would a driver problem affect different users differently.
[03:52] <ogra> not different user, different clients
[03:52] <ogra> *users
[03:52] <DanielC> This is the same physical client.
[03:52] <ogra> ok
[03:53] <DanielC> When I tried an old user (that I configured early one) totem gave the error "could not connect to sound daemon". When I created a brand new user, totem didn't give that error, but still doesn't play sounds.
[03:54] <ogra> is there a .esd-{$UID} directory in /tmp with that users UID ?
[03:54] <DanielC> I see .esd-100 and .esd-101
[03:54] <ogra> 100 ???
[03:54] <DanielC> oops
[03:54] <ogra> sure youre not missing a 0 ?
[03:54] <DanielC> 1000 and 1001
[03:54] <ogra> good :)
[03:54] <DanielC> :)
[03:55] <ogra> and is one of the users logged in locally on the server ? 
[03:55] <DanielC> I just checked /etc/passwd and those are the user IDs I'd expect.
[03:55] <DanielC> Yes.
[03:56] <DanielC> One is logged in locally on the server (1000) and the other on the thin client (1001).
[03:56] <DanielC> 1001 is the one that doesn't work. If I log 1000 into the client I hear the Gnome login sounds.
[03:56] <ogra> hmm, that might cause it ... could you try with only client connections ? might be that a locally running esd confuses it ...
[03:56] <cbx33> ogra: do you know how to setup an rsync server?
[03:56] <DanielC> ok, I'll loge out from the server.
[03:57] <ogra> cbx33, i think its just installing the server and enabling it in /etc/default
[03:58] <cbx33> thanks
[03:58] <cbx33> i suppose one still needs to create the rsyncd.conf file
[03:58] <ogra> you'll likely have to set the served path anywhere, but dont ask me where :)
[03:59] <DanielC> ogra: I logged everyone out. I saw that the /tmp/.esd* directories vanished. I then logged in user 1001. Saw that /tmp/.esd-1001 appeared. But no sound came off.
[03:59] <ogra> hrm
[03:59] <ogra> any errors in the logs ? 
[03:59] <ogra> .xsession-errors might have something
[04:00] <DanielC> ** (gnome-session:7213): WARNING **: Esound failed to start.
[04:00] <ogra> aha
[04:01] <ogra> you are sure you dont have fiddled with any settings in gstreamer-properties ? 
[04:01] <DanielC> ogra: Earlier I replaced totem-gstreamer by totem-xine and then put totem-gstreamer back in.
[04:02] <DanielC> ogra: I can't think of anything else.
[04:02] <DanielC> If I did, it was not knowingly. I wish there was a way to test this better.
[04:02] <ogra> i mean the multimedia settings app (gstreamer-properties) did you change anything ther ? 
[04:02] <ogra> e+
[04:02] <DanielC> The GUI one? No, I haven't touched it.
[04:04] <DanielC> Of course, when I was trying to fix the login problem I moved a lot of ~/.* files away. But that would only affect the user account 1000 (the one that does have sound).
[04:05] <ogra> it shouldnt matter 
[04:06] <DanielC> indeed
[04:06] <ogra> please run gstreamer-properties and check that the autosink is selected for both users
[04:07] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, I have gstreamer-properties in front of me and under output I see "Pipeline: autoaudiosink". I click "Test" next to it and hear nothing. Is that what you meant?
[04:08] <ogra> yes
[04:08] <ogra> can you check that for both users please ? 
[04:08] <ogra> if one is set to esd that might be the problem
[04:08] <DanielC> ogra: If I change output to ESD and test it says "could not connect to ESD"
[04:10] <DanielC> ogra: The other user looks the same except that the test works.
[04:10] <ogra> thats weird 
[04:10] <DanielC> (output: autodetect; pipeline: autosink)
[04:10] <cbx33> bbl ghuys
[04:11] <cbx33> ogra: expect a beta of grsyncer soon :p
[04:11] <ogra> *g*
[04:11] <ogra> try to find some better names ... putting a g in front of everything feels like KDE :)
[04:11] <DanielC> :)
[04:12] <cbx33> OgraSync :p
[04:13] <cbx33> excellent that feels much better :p
[04:13] <slashdevnull> heh
[04:13] <cbx33> bbl guys
[04:14] <ogra> DanielC, damned, i have an idea ... (which would be a bit odd if it worked) can you reboot the client, log in with the user who had no sound and see if it works then ? 
[04:14] <DanielC> ogra: gstreamer-properties says in STDERR: "Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdmon'" (among others)
[04:14] <DanielC> ogra: I'll try anything.
[04:14] <DanielC> What do I do?
[04:15] <ogra> i suspect there is an esd process left running on the client that is still owned by the first user ... 
[04:15] <ogra> just reboot the client and log in with the 1001 user
[04:15] <DanielC> ok...
[04:16] <ogra> if thats the case i have a fix from debian for it, might be a dapper-updates candidate ...
[04:16] <DanielC> Rebooting...
[04:17] <ogra> btw, do you have more than one client around there ? 
[04:17] <slashdevnull> I must be missing something somewhere. Is there anything more that I should need to do than specify sound=true in lts.conf? I'm assuming that the answer is a resounding 'yes'.
[04:17] <slashdevnull> I must not be looking at the right docs. Again. :P
[04:18] <ogra> the variable needs to be uppercase (as all lts.conf variables)
[04:18] <slashdevnull> Sound tests in my environment, from the thin client, play on the server's speakers.
[04:18] <ogra> SOUND=True will work
[04:18] <ogra> then the variable wasnt read on client boot
[04:19] <slashdevnull> I have SOUND=True
[04:19] <ogra> and you rebooted the client ? 
[04:19] <slashdevnull> Yes. I can try again.
[04:19] <slashdevnull> Does inital spacing (indenting) matter?
[04:19] <slashdevnull> in lts.conf?
[04:19] <ogra> (lts.conf is only read once on boot, changes dont take effect if you dont reboot the client)
[04:20] <DanielC> ogra: it works
[04:20] <DanielC> ogra: It looks like whoever logs in first grabs the sound daemon.
[04:20] <ogra> DanielC, ok, do you have a second client available ? 
[04:20] <DanielC> ogra: No, sadly no. Just one client.
[04:20] <ogra> so you can test the other user simultanely on a second client
[04:20] <ogra> sad ...
[04:21] <DanielC> I have another computer that could be turned into a client I think.
[04:21] <ogra> would be good to confirm
[04:21] <DanielC> I'm sure I can find a monitor, cables, etc to setup another client if need be.
[04:21] <slashdevnull> "Sound requested bu /dev/dsp is missing".  Looks like that could be it.
[04:22] <DanielC> ogra: Ok. This will take several minutes. I'll be back.
[04:22] <ogra> theoretically if you swap the users on the clients sound must come out of the wrong client if my suspicion is correct
[04:22] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, I'll look for that.
[04:22] <ogra> slashdevnull, what kind of client is that =
[04:22] <ogra> ?
[04:23] <ogra> looks a bit like the soundcard isnt supported
[04:23] <slashdevnull> It's a Dell Dimension 5150.
[04:23] <ogra> with onboard sound i suspect 
[04:23] <slashdevnull> lemme check the soundcard...
[04:23] <ogra> worst casde its ISA ... that will get very very tricky ...
[04:23] <ogra> *case
[04:24] <salleschool> Hello again
[04:24] <slashdevnull> Yeah, it's an onboard sound card
[04:24] <ogra> any idea if its PCI or ISA ?
[04:24] <slashdevnull> getting specifics now...
[04:24] <salleschool> I'm still hitting my head againts the screen
[04:25] <ogra> (HW manufacurer like to use ISA because its way cheaper but you have to set it with IRQ and the like ... its no fun)
[04:25] <salleschool> Don't worry It's an old screen
[04:25] <salleschool> let's see
[04:25] <ogra> many laptops have ISA soundcards because of that
[04:25] <salleschool> I pushed out edubuntu :(
[04:26] <salleschool> I have installed ubuntu :)
[04:26] <ogra> salleschool, ??
[04:26] <salleschool> and then i have installed ltsp4.2
[04:26] <salleschool> but now atftpd is not working
[04:27] <slashdevnull> ogra: pci. inetl 82801g
[04:27] <slashdevnull> Er, intel
[04:27] <ogra> but aftp is unmaintained in ubuntu anyway (at least i havent seen anybody touching it for ages and its in universe (unsupported))
[04:28] <salleschool> so I must install another tftpd, which one?
[04:28] <ogra> salleschool, please ask in #ltsp i dont support ltsp 4.2
[04:29] <ogra> its not in ubuntu at all
[04:29] <salleschool> ok, sorry
[04:29] <ogra> slashdevnull, should be covered by snd-intel8x0
[04:29] <salleschool> I will ask there
[04:29] <slashdevnull> ogra: If I was to build out an ltsp environment for a school using Edubuntu or Ubuntu 6.06, are there any good hardware do/don't guides out there? So I don't buy a bunch of thins with the wrong video/sound hardware, etc.?
[04:30] <ogra> well, usually every PCI card should work 
[04:30] <ogra> ISA can made working, but as i said its very tricky to set up and requires lots of manual work
[04:31] <slashdevnull> ok. I'm not concerned about making it work in the test environment I'm running right now.
[04:31] <DanielC> ogra: I can't test :(  The other computer's power supply is dead.
[04:32] <slashdevnull> ogra, you're a paid *ubuntu employee, right? I hope you are, for all of the questions I'm throwing at you. ;)
[04:32] <ogra> slashdevnull, yes, i am :)
[04:32] <slashdevnull> good on you. :)
[04:33] <DanielC> ogra: The only computer I have left is one whose sound hardware doesn't work with Linux anyways. However, I can say that when I booted it and logged in as the original user I did not hear sound coming from the first client.
[04:34] <rodarvus> brb
[04:35] <ogra> DanielC, could you file a bug like: "esd isnt killed on logout on the client and runs with wrong permissions from new users logging in" ?
[04:35] <ogra> against ltsp and assigned to me ?
[04:35] <DanielC> That's launchpad.ubuntu.com?
[04:35] <ogra> yep
[04:36] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[04:36] <ogra> launchpat.net, sorry
[04:36] <DanielC> Looks like it's the same thing.
[04:37] <ogra> a bug will make it official enough for me to work on it for dapper-updates i hope
[04:37] <DanielC> Ok.
[04:37] <ogra> anyway, it will only happen if users log out and other users log in ... for now the workaround would be to reboot the client before another user logs in
[04:37] <ogra> its ugly, but should help
[04:38] <DanielC> ogra: Ok. That would work alright for this setup.
[04:38] <DanielC> We'll have one user per PC.
[04:38] <ogra> ah, k
[04:39] <ogra> that shouldnt produce probs then, but thanks for tracking that bug :)
[04:39] <DanielC> We /were/ planning to have everyone share the same account, but decided that this just wouldn't work.
[04:40] <DanielC> So we went for the next simplest thing. One account per PC.
[04:43] <DanielC> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/49997
[04:43] <DanielC> ogra: I didn't see an option to assign the bug to anyone.
[04:43] <ogra> i'll grab it, thanks a bunch
[04:43] <DanielC> thank you :)
[04:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:44] <ogra> DanielC, well, you cant assign bugs if the ubuntu component is selected :)
[04:44] <ogra> selecting ltsp as the package enables assignments :)
[04:45] <DanielC> ogra: Ok :)  I'm not familiar with Ubuntu's version of bugzilla yet.
[04:45] <ogra> hey jsgotangco 
[04:45] <ogra> lol
[04:45] <ogra> LOL
[04:45] <jsgotangco> hey ogra
[04:45] <DanielC> ogra: In any event... if I login to another PC with a different user account, should I expect sound to work?
[04:46] <ogra> hey we are pushing a revolutionary new bugtracker, dont call it "bugzilla" if any launchpad people are around *g*
[04:46] <DanielC> he he
[04:46] <ogra> DanielC, yes
[04:46] <jsgotangco> ogra: i  bought something for you
[04:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:46] <DanielC> That would be good enough for my use case. Thanks.
[04:46] <ogra> for me ? 
[04:46] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, a throuserbag ashtray ? 
[04:47] <jsgotangco> oh crap
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i should have bought you one
[04:47] <slashdevnull> Groovy. SOunds works great on my other system (add-on sound card).
[04:48] <ogra> lol
[04:49] <ogra> slashdevnull, hmm, thats odd ... wait until crimsun is up, he's the alsa guy and might want to know abut it
[04:51] <slashdevnull> kayo. Thanks
[04:52] <slashdevnull> Now that I have a functining environment, maybe I should re-write launchpad in Rails. ;)
[04:52] <ogra> rodarvus, do you know if we get a budget now that we are a "real department" inside the company ? 
[04:52] <ogra> slashdevnull, ask #launchpad if they like that *g*
[04:52] <rodarvus> ogra, hopefully, yes (as soon as RichardW arrives)
[04:53] <slashdevnull> I'd rather not, if it's all the same. launchpad is cool.
[04:53] <jsgotangco> budget?
[04:53] <ogra> rodarvus, i think we should have another edubuntu summit as well (but thats up to richard i guess)
[04:53] <rodarvus> yeah, I agree
[04:53] <ogra> jsgotangco, we're the educational DEPARTMENT inside of canonical now :) 
[04:54] <ogra> not just "ogra who builds that edu distro" anymore ;)
[04:54] <gagredo> hi
[04:54] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, ogra and I will report to the Education Program/Project (?) Manager, starting next month
[04:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, you werent at the last meeting, right ? 
[04:55] <rodarvus> I'll be right back
[04:55] <gagredo> I'm having a problem with edubuntu installation
[04:55] <jsgotangco> yes i was busy fighting with bureaucracy
[04:55] <ogra> gagredo, did you follow the gettingstarted guide (see the channel topic)
[04:56] <gagredo> when LTSP installation the computer stops
[04:56] <jsgotangco> well ive been hearing about a program manager thing but didnt know its already in place
[04:56] <gagredo> and can't continue
[04:56] <gagredo> I think was a problem of the iso image but i'm already make the MD5SUM and it was correct
[04:57] <gagredo> then I burn at 8x but the problem persist
[04:57] <th1a> Wait, what?  Is there an educational program manager?
[04:57] <gagredo> any suggestions or help?
[04:57] <ogra> gagredo, "the computer stops"
[04:57] <ogra> can you define that a bit more precise ? 
[04:57] <ogra> th1a, yep
[04:57] <jsgotangco> th1a: fairly new but was planned before
[04:57] <gagredo> ogra thanks
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: is this Mr JaneW?
[04:58] <ogra> LOL
[04:58] <ogra> yes, that is Mr. JaneW 
[04:58] <gagredo> I want to say that the installations doesn't continue
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ahh so it happened
[04:58] <ogra> gagredo, how are the symptoms of that ? 
[04:58] <th1a> I heard it was coming from Helen, but I was expecting a posting or something.
[04:58] <th1a> Who is it?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> helen?
[04:58] <ogra> (screenn goes rad and you have an error, the system just locks up, screen switches off etc)
[04:58] <th1a> Helen King from TSF.
[04:59] <ogra> who is helen ? 
[04:59] <ogra> aha
[04:59] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:59] <ogra> nope its not TSF realted
[04:59] <ogra> *related
[04:59] <th1a> She's my main contact with the rest of the Shuttleworth universe.
[04:59] <ogra> and i think mark tries to keep both as distinct as possible
[04:59] <th1a> Yeah, I knew it was a Canonical thing.
[05:00] <ogra> to not be blamed for mixing stuff up between the companies
[05:00] <th1a> So is there any info about this anywhere?
[05:00] <highvoltage> th1a: about?
[05:00] <ogra> there are meeting records anywhere 
[05:00] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey!
[05:00] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco 
[05:00] <th1a> This hiring?  Who this person is?
[05:00] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[05:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did you get your papers sorted out?
[05:01] <highvoltage> th1a: Richard Weideman? he used to work for HP.
[05:01] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes!!! just in time :)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hehe me too
[05:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: they made it extra special by making it HANDWRITTEN
[05:01] <jsgotangco> muhahaha
[05:01] <th1a> highvoltage: Thanks.
[05:01] <gagredo> ogra,  the system just locks up
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hmm back to back huge updates
[05:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, keep it, frame it :)
[05:02] <ogra> gagredo, how does that happen, does the screen go black and everything stops ? 
[05:03] <DanielC> Edubuntu doesn't come with Apache, right?
[05:03] <gagredo> ogra, someone says me that could probably solve if I use the noapic advanced option, what do yo thing?
[05:03] <slashdevnull> gotta roll. thanks for all the help, ogra. good luck, DanielC.
[05:04] <ogra> DanielC, nope but you can easily install it
[05:04] <ogra> gagredo, try it 
[05:04] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, thanks.
[05:04] <ogra> gagredo, it really matters whats going wrong
[05:05] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[05:05] <EmxBA> i would like you to help me 
[05:05] <highvoltage> EmxBA: i think you need to be more specific :)
[05:05] <DanielC> he he
[05:06] <EmxBA> i cannot set up aiglx, thatis everything works 
[05:06] <EmxBA> just resolution is always 640x480
[05:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i just read your wiki page. i think it was written before you started working at canonical :)
[05:06] <EmxBA> i can give you my xorg.conf
[05:06] <EmxBA> it is here:pastebin.com/713010
[05:07] <ogra> highvoltage, waaay before, yes
[05:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:07] <EmxBA> highvoltage: any help? i tried #ubuntu and #ubuntu-xgl and almost nobody helps me
[05:07] <EmxBA> most of tjem are idle
[05:07] <EmxBA> *them
[05:08] <ogra> EmxBA, nobody here has experience with it and its really not the appropriate channel for it... i suspect you have to wait for someone to answer in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:08] <EmxBA> huh.....
[05:08] <EmxBA> OK
[05:09] <gagredo> ogra, everything stops
[05:09] <highvoltage> EmxBA: i don't know, i've never even heard of iaxgl before
[05:10] <ogra> highvoltage, its a extension for xorg in pre beta quality
[05:10] <DanielC> How do you become a MOTU?
[05:10] <highvoltage> as everything with 'xgl' in it, it seems :)
[05:10] <ogra> xorg 7.1 will have it ... its enabling compisite and the like
[05:10] <highvoltage> aaah ,ok.
[05:10] <highvoltage> did someone say that edgy will feature xorg 7.1?
[05:10] <ogra> DanielC, first become a member, then help in #ubuntu-motu with packaging and bugfixing
[05:11] <ogra> highvoltage, it will
[05:11] <DanielC> ogra: ok
[05:11] <highvoltage> ogra: is there anything we need to do for the summit, something that i might not have done yet, that i need to?
[05:12] <highvoltage> i'm just going to make some notes of ideas and put it up on launchpad+wiki so long.
[05:12] <ogra> DanielC, becoming a menber starts with creating a personal wikipage and signing the code of conduct in launchpad :)
[05:12] <DanielC> ogra:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera  where do I sign? :)
[05:12] <ogra> highvoltage, prepare for the BOfs you will attend, if there is code to be inspected, do it now ...
[05:13] <ogra> DanielC, in launchpad at your personal page 
[05:13] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[05:14] <gagredo> ogra, thanks a lot
[05:14] <gagredo> ogra, for trying to help me
[05:14] <gagredo> ogra, i've got some ideas from the chat
[05:15] <gagredo> bye bye
[05:15] <ogra> gagredo, so you cant switch consoles anymore (i.e. hitting alt-f4) ?
[05:15] <th1a> ogra: did you used to be the Technical Lead for edubuntu?
[05:15] <DanielC> ogra: Do I sign both 1.0 and 1.0.1?
[05:15] <ogra> th1a, i used to *be* edubuntu, the crowd in here thats helping just formed over the last months
[05:15] <jsgotangco> basically he's the big granite wall that built everything
[05:16] <th1a> Is that a new title?
[05:16] <ogra> DanielC, only one will suffice (i'D take the newer one)
[05:16] <DanielC> ok
[05:16] <th1a> Is it a paid job (Technical Lead)?
[05:16] <ogra> th1a, i have actually no idea what my current title is ...
[05:16] <ogra> but i'm paid, yes
[05:17] <ogra> (and to be hinest i dont care at all about titles, they are for business cards only)
[05:17] <th1a> I mean, I see rodarvus is the new technical lead, but I don't know what that means.
[05:17] <ogra> *honest
[05:17] <ogra> th1a, that i'll be reporting to him
[05:17] <th1a> I'm just trying to interpret what is going on.
[05:17] <ogra> and he'll be reportinng to the educational lead
[05:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats what happens if you miss meetings :)
[05:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, no need to :)
[05:19] <th1a> Am I on the wrong mailing list or something?  Do you mail out the minutes?
[05:19] <jsgotangco> well...
[05:19] <ogra> th1a, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[05:25] <rodarvus> (sorry, I was away)
[05:27] <rodarvus> th1a, jsgotangco: I'll be focused primarily on OLPC + help ogra with normal Edubuntu, whenever possible
[05:27] <jsgotangco> OLPC wohooo
[05:28] <DanielC> What is the SABDFL?
[05:28] <rodarvus> while talking with mdz two days ago, we discussed the development model of Edubuntu for OLPC - seems we'll follow Edgy schedule (with updates, as soon as edgy is released)
[05:28] <DanielC> Context: "nobody is expected to be perfect in the Ubuntu community (except of course the SABDFL)"
[05:29] <jsgotangco> DanielC: that's mark shuttleworth
[05:29] <ogra> DanielC, mark shuttleworth
[05:29] <DanielC> heh
[05:29] <DanielC> What does it stand for?
[05:29] <ogra> self applied benevolent dictator for life
[05:29] <DanielC> ah
[05:29] <rodarvus> so, it seems most (if not all) of our OLPC effort will be also used on *buntu
[05:29] <rodarvus> s/applied/appointed/ ;)
[05:29] <ogra> yeah
[05:30] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: im not getting it clearly...we're going to develop on top of sugar i assume?
[05:30] <ogra> as its with the ltsp stuff
[05:30] <ogra> i develop minly in edubuntu and thats where the biggest ltsp userbase is atm, but ltsp *is* in ubuntu
[05:30] <ogra> *mainly
[05:30] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, yes
[05:33] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[05:34] <highvoltage> i'm glad to see knut on edubuntu-users, though.
[05:34] <ogra> he was autosubscribed, he was already on -devel :)
[05:50] <ogra> DanielC, i just got a very intresting mail from a guy who had the screen blanking problem in the installer ... he said it works when you use a different resolution from the CD menu, did you ever try that for the ones that didnt work ? 
[05:50] <DanielC> ogra: I didn't realize I could choose a different resolution.
[05:50] <DanielC> ogra: Honestly, I didn't pay attention to that first screen.
[05:54] <ogra> he wrote everything apart from the standard vga works for him
[05:55] <DanielC> ogra: I wish I could test that, but I'm not about to re-install Edubuntu at this stage :)
[05:55] <ogra> heh, indeed
[06:02] <DanielC> Alright, code of conduct signed.
[06:02] <DanielC> It's cool that it requires a GPG key. (I happen to be a fan of encryption).
[06:03] <DanielC> Well, I'm off. I'll try to get sound working with totem later.
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:04] <ogra> ciao+
[06:08] <th1a> rodarvus: Hi.  I was off making lunch.
[06:08] <rodarvus> np :)
[06:11] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: what time are you arriving on the 17th?
[06:11] <jsgotangco> ah heck its already the 17th here
[06:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm arriving on the 18th, i'm leaving here on the 17th
[06:12] <ogra> time flies
[06:12] <jsgotangco> ah okay
[06:12] <highvoltage> so it does
[06:12] <th1a> rodarvus: I'm the project manager for SchoolTool, btw.
[06:13] <highvoltage> th1a: ah, thomas hoffman!
[06:13] <rodarvus> th1a, oh, nice - I didn't knew :)
[06:21] <th1a> rodarvus: is there anything written down about Edubuntu's relationship with OLPC?
[06:24] <highvoltage> th1a: i don't think there's an official relationship yet, is there?
[06:26] <th1a> highvoltage: That's what I'm trying to figure out.
[06:26] <rodarvus> t
[06:27] <rodarvus> th1a, I don't know, yet
[06:27] <rodarvus> I've just joined Canonical, a few days ago
[06:27] <th1a> rodarvus:  Understood.
[06:27] <th1a> rodarvus: What's your background?
[06:36] <rodarvus> th1a, linux distribution development, software optimization, a little embedded development, etc
[06:36] <highvoltage> th1a: you're also going to be in paris next week?
[06:40] <braindead7> hi all
[06:41] <th1a> highvoltage: No, actually.
[06:41] <braindead7> may i know is there the live cd version for edubuntu
[06:41] <th1a> I drove up to Montreal last time.  There's not much for me to do at an Ubuntu conference.
[06:41] <ogra> braindead7, yes, there is
[06:42] <ogra> braindead7, see the download page on www.edubuntu.org
[06:42] <braindead7> thanx very much ogra
[06:45] <th1a> So one thing I'm trying to figure out here is which person(s) from Edubuntu should be invited to a small conference in the US about educational data interoperability.
[06:46] <th1a> Which is, generally speaking, an issue that I'd like to get the community up to speed on.
[06:46] <ogra> th1a, Richard can decide that i think 
[06:46] <ogra> (once he's here)
[06:46] <th1a> ogra: In a month?
[06:47] <ogra> well, give him some time to get warm with everything :)
[06:47] <ogra> he starts in a month and will have to orientate himself first ...
[06:47] <ogra> when is that conf ?
[06:50] <highvoltage> th1a: this about SIF?
[06:51] <highvoltage> highvoltage: just asking, since helen king forwarded me a message about SIF and schooltool, and you were also included on that.
[06:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you talking to yourself again? ;-)
[06:53] <highvoltage> heh.
[06:53] <highvoltage> meant to ask th1a :)
[06:58] <highvoltage> anyone have the link to the oficial edubuntu cookbook handy?
[07:11] <th1a> highvoltage: It is in part about SIF.
[07:11] <th1a> SIF and more.
[07:11] <highvoltage> ok.
[07:11] <th1a> I have started writing some SIF code in Python, and the good news is that it is WAY easier than I thought it would be.
[07:12] <ogra> th1a, feel free to point me to a bzr branch for packaging it if you want it in edubuntu
[07:12] <th1a> I think we'll have something to at least stick in Edgy multiverse.
[07:12] <highvoltage> is the schooltool demo server back up again? i'm quite interested to see all the new improvements that you've been talking about. it sounds exciting.
[07:13] <highvoltage> multiverse?
[07:13] <ogra> th1a, why multiverse ? is it nonfree ?
[07:13] <th1a> Universe, I guess.
[07:13] <th1a> It is free.
[07:13] <ogra> yeah
[07:13] <th1a> Although it should be small enough to stick it in Edubuntu Edgy, since it'll be more likely to attract developer attention that way.
[07:14] <ogra> yep
[07:14] <ogra> universe is the best starting point for that ...
[07:14] <th1a> Since we've quickly determined that we can ditch the old Java monstrosity.
[07:14] <ogra> and probably also utnubu to get it ported to debian later
[07:14] <th1a> Anyhow, it doesn't do much yet, so we can wait a month or so to think about packaging.
[07:15] <ogra> we ship free java, if you can make it work with that ...
[07:15] <th1a> The current code is here:  http://sifsoft.com/source/opensadk/trunk/OpenSADK_Python/
[07:15] <th1a> highvoltage: We'll have an alpha release next week and the demo server back up.
[07:43] <DanielC> How do you do pre-formatted text in the Ubuntu wiki?
[07:44] <HedgeMage> I have no clue, sorry
[07:45] <dan_young> DanielC: wrap the text with {{{ and }}}
[07:46] <DanielC> Thanks.
[07:46] <dan_young> DanielC: if they are on the same line as the text, you get just monospaced fonts...
[07:47] <DanielC> That's useful. Thanks.
[07:47] <dan_young> DanielC: if they are obove and below, you get blocks.
[07:47] <dan_young> *above
[07:51] <DanielC> dan_young: {{ doesn't seem to work for me... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera
[07:51] <DanielC> (scroll to the bottom of the page)
[07:52] <dan_young> DanielC: shoudl be three {{{
[07:52] <DanielC> thanks
[07:52] <dan_young> DanielC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnFormatting
[07:52] <DanielC> stoopid me.
[07:52] <DanielC> Thanks for the link.
[07:53] <dan_young> DanielC: of course
[07:56] <highvoltage> ogra: http://www.edubuntu.org/Documentation
[07:56] <highvoltage> ogra: ^^^ the lts.conf guide isn't so hidden anymore
[07:57] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll make that page a bit prettier though
[07:58] <ogra> i'm just tracking down the problems with local printers with sbartley
[07:58] <ogra> oh, nice :)
[08:00] <ogra> LaserJock, *you* packaged desktop-multiplier ?
[08:00] <ogra> wow
[08:00] <highvoltage> cool :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> is that the Burgwork.work's desktop multiplier? or the ubuntu one?
[08:01] <LaserJock> ogra: me, wha? ;-)
[08:01] <ogra> see dapper-changes :)
[08:01] <LaserJock> \o/
[08:01] <LaserJock> it made it in!!!
[08:01] <ogra> 	Accepted desktop-multiplier 2.2-3-0ubuntu1 (source)
[08:02] <LaserJock> I see it, I've been waiting for 2 days now
[08:04] <DanielC> Can I add images to the wiki?
[08:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:11] <LaserJock> ogra: now hopefully I can get paid and tell people how much I dislike closed source packaging ;-)
[08:13] <DanielC> How do you make the wiki not turn capital words into links? (e.g. OpenOffice, Firefox).
[08:14] <LaserJock> put a '''''' inbetween
[08:14] <DanielC> six ' ?
[08:16] <DanielC> What do you mean by "inbetween"?
[08:16] <DanielC> LaserJock: Sorry, I can't figure out your instructions and my guesses aren't working.
[08:18] <LaserJock> Open''''''Office
[08:18] <DanielC> ah
[08:19] <LaserJock> basically you are bolding (''') nothing ;-)
[08:20] <DanielC> Strange work-around, but as long as it works...
[08:20] <highvoltage> :)
[08:20] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I learned
[08:21] <dan_young> DanielC: also !WikiName should work
[08:22] <DanielC> dan_young: I thought I had tried that...
[08:22] <dan_young> DanielC: but only if bang_meta is set, don't know if it is on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <DanielC> it's not :(
[08:22] <dan_young> backticks too: Wiki``Name
[08:23] <DanielC> that looks better
[08:25] <LaserJock> oh, yeah, that is better
[08:43] <highvoltage> tomorrow this time i'll be at cape town international checking in for my flight :)
[08:43] <DanielC> highvoltage: Where are you going?
[08:44] <LaserJock> I'll be at Reno International at this time tommorow :-)
[08:44] <ogra> tomorrow this time i'll be hitting the motorway :)
[08:44] <highvoltage> DanielC: Paris
[08:44] <DanielC> ah
[08:44] <highvoltage> ogra: are you coming with your Porche?
[08:45] <ogra> i'll try to
[08:46] <ogra> lets see if it survives 2x800km :)
[08:46] <LaserJock> how long will that take?
[08:47] <ogra> no idea
[08:47] <ogra> depends on the speedlinmits in france and belgium *g*
[08:48] <highvoltage> heh :)
[08:48] <ogra> 5-6h i guess, belgium forces 120km/h i think
[08:48] <ogra> i wont race :)
[08:48] <highvoltage> in south africa it's like that. you can't drive more than 120km/h anywhere.
[08:49] <ogra> well, germany has many areas without *any* speedlimit on the motorways
[08:49] <highvoltage> really? wow.
[08:49] <ogra> heh
[08:49] <LaserJock> umm, no
[08:49] <DanielC> First time I went to Germany my friend and I were going at 150km and everyone was passing us :)
[08:49] <LaserJock> I cheated though
[08:50] <ogra> DanielC, yeah thats pretty slow :)
[08:50] <LaserJock> 120km/h is about what the speed limit is here on highways
[08:51] <ogra> 150 is also a half breeded speed here ... either you drive 100 on the right lane with the trucks or > 160 on the left lane ...
[08:51] <DanielC> I don't understand why Europeans drive so fast given that gasoline/petrol is so expensive.
[08:51] <highvoltage> how do i recursively make md5sums of all the files and subdirectories in a directory?
[08:51] <ogra> to support the economy :)
[08:51] <highvoltage> i keep loosing my note about that :/
[08:51] <DanielC> heh
[08:51] <ogra> (in fact only because we're mental ill :) )
[08:52] <highvoltage> speed is addictive.
[08:52] <LaserJock> it's particularly weird since Europe is so small :-)
[08:53] <LaserJock> it's not like you have to go fast to get places ;-)
[08:59] <dan_young> highvoltage: I'd do something like: find /foo -exec md5sum '{}' \;
[08:59] <dan_young> highvoltage: can you md5sum a dir?
[08:59] <highvoltage> oh, sorry, not dirs then. just files recursively :)
[09:00] <dan_young> find /foo -type f -exec md5sum '{}' \;
[09:02] <cbx33> evenin all
[09:03] <DanielC> evening
[09:03] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[09:04] <cbx33> hey ogra__ 
[09:04] <cbx33> three ogras ?
[09:04] <cbx33> maybe one of them can help me :p
[09:05] <cbx33> dang it
[09:05] <highvoltage> dan_young: thanks, that worked :)
[09:05] <dan_young> highvoltage: NP!
[09:10] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:11] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[09:13] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:14] <cbx33> highvoltage, hehe
[09:15] <LaserJock> highvoltage: use it often :-)
[09:18] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i didn't realise it was this cool (or easy to use). it reminds me of when i first started to validate my pages with w3c :)
[09:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, :D
[09:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: are you using lintian -I (or is it -i)
[09:20] <juliux> hi all
[09:21] <DanielC> ogra: You said that I should see a directory of the form /tmp/.esd-{{UID}}. What does it mean if I don't?
[09:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, what are you testing?
[09:22] <DanielC> ogra: I can login to the client and hear the Gnome login sound, but there's no .esd in /tmp/
[09:25] <DanielC> cbx33: I said I'd put my trouble shooting tips on the wiki. They're on my page now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielCarrera (scroll down).
[09:27] <highvoltage> LaserJock: no, just lintian, i didn't know about the -i switch. what does it do?
[09:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm just packaging to learn some more about packaging. currently i'm playing with flock. it's interesting because i'm learning how firefox is packaged, and why it's packaged that way.
[09:29] <cbx33> highvoltage, sounds complicated :p
[09:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: -i -I give you more info as to what went wrong and how to fix it :-)
[09:29] <highvoltage> aaah, thanks, good tip :)
[09:29] <cbx33> highvoltage, have you used pbuilder ?
[09:30] <highvoltage> no, i haven't. i think i built a pbuilder chroot way back, but have never used it
[09:30] <LaserJock> use it
[09:30] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:30] <cbx33> it's good
[09:30] <cbx33> ogra told me to check everything with pbuilder
[09:30] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, it's -i
[09:31] <highvoltage> is there a pbuilder howto page? i'll definately need a refresher :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> highvoltage: help.ubuntu.com has a handy little doc called the Ubuntu Packaging Guide *hint* ;-)
[09:33] <cbx33> highvoltage, that doc is AMAZING
[09:34] <ogra> DanielC, /etc/default/dhcp3-server shouldnt be touched
[09:34] <highvoltage> ok ok ok  :)
[09:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, I wouldn't say that
[09:34] <cbx33> I would
[09:34] <ogra> dhcp3-server autodetects if there is a static interface atht matches the ip range
[09:35] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, but did I say it should? In my page I said /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[09:35] <ogra> Make sure that on /etc/default/dhcp3-server that eth1 is specified in the INTERFACES= but not eth0.
[09:35] <ogra> thats from your page 
[09:35] <DanielC> ah
[09:35] <ogra> as long as INTERFACES="" it will autodetect
[09:35] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, that's the advice someone else gave me. I take it I should delete that?
[09:36] <ogra> as soon as you add an interface name there , autodetection is disabled
[09:36] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, so someone gave me bad advice...
[09:37] <ogra> its not really *bad* advise, but you cut doen functionallity
[09:37] <ogra> *down
[09:37] <ogra> thats how it had to be with older dhcpd releases
[09:38] <juliux> ogra, can you take a look to edubuntu-de and http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/35888/
[09:38] <DanielC> ogra: fixed
[09:39] <ogra> juliux, openGL isnt possible over ltsp ...
[09:39] <juliux> ogra, ok
[09:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:41] <LaserJock> I need OpenGL for science apps :/
[09:44] <ogra> LaserJock, implement local apps ;)
[09:44] <LaserJock> ogra: yes sir ;-)
[09:44] <LaserJock> ogra: if only I knew what I was doing, I'd be on it
[09:45] <DanielC> ogra: If I don't see a directory called /tmp/.esd-{UID} that's bad, right?
[09:45] <ogra> highvoltage, well, you speak some weird mix of northern german slang, english and dutch in your country ;)#
[09:46] <ogra> DanielC, does it work ? 
[09:46] <DanielC> ogra: No.
[09:46] <ogra> thats bad then
[09:46] <DanielC> ogra: I mean, the gnome login plays a sound, but nothing else works after that.
[09:46] <highvoltage> ogra: yeah, i think i'm going to keep reading that channel. one day when there's a meeting in germany i won't have to buy a german cd/book ;)
[09:46] <DanielC> ogra: I tried rythmbox and totem-gstreamer btw.
[09:47] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I've tried that to, I didn't get very far :(
[09:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i tried that with the spanish channel, didn't work for me either. German seems like a much easier language to interpret, since it contains many elements of my native language. I think it might work this time.
[09:48] <LaserJock> it's all non-english to me ;-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> stupid uni-lingual Americans :-)
[09:49] <highvoltage> i thought americans learn a second language in high school? like spanish or french?
[09:49] <DanielC> Laserjock: call them monoglots, that's fun.
[09:49] <LaserJock> highvoltage: some, I never did
[09:50] <LaserJock> I'm 4th year PhD and I've never been required to take a second language
[09:50] <DanielC> highvoltage: some, but not very much. Not like you would in Canada or Europe.
[09:50] <highvoltage> that's interesting. i always thought that it's very common to learn a second language in school.
[09:50] <LaserJock> I should have, in hindsight
[09:50] <DanielC> highvoltage: The USA is not typical.
[09:51] <highvoltage> it seems easier to learn another language if you already know more than one, according to people who know a lot.
[09:51] <highvoltage> DanielC: what do you mean?
[09:51] <DanielC> highvoltage: most countries have a higher motivation to learn another language and greater awareness of the outside world than the USA.
[09:51] <LaserJock> although there are more and more spanish speaking people in the US  so there is more emphasis on learning languages than when I was younger
[09:52] <highvoltage> in all the american 'school' movies i've watched there's some spanish or french class. that's probably why I thought so.
[09:52] <LaserJock> where I live, virtually all service jobs want bilingual people
[09:52] <DanielC> highvoltage: For example, Canada is a bilingual country, the third world needs to export to the first world, Europe is made of many different countries, etc.
[09:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: they are available for sure, but a lot of the time they aren't required
[09:53] <DanielC> highvoltage: I know English and Spanish and I'm trying to learn German. I'd definitely say that learning a third language after you are bilingual is much easier.
[09:54] <juliux> DanielC, you want to learn german?
[09:54] <LaserJock> I do too
[09:54] <DanielC> juliux: yes
[09:54] <juliux> cool
[09:54] <ogra> DanielC, juliux can teach you, he's in your country ;)
[09:55] <LaserJock> German is pretty popular for chemists
[09:55] <ogra> i thought that was latin :)
[09:55] <juliux> DanielC, ogra is right, so you can me teach english and i can teach you german ;)
[09:55] <DanielC> :-)
[09:56] <juliux> DanielC, where in u.k. are you?
[09:56] <DanielC> juliux: Not sure if you want to learn English from me. I'm not a native speaker.
[09:56] <DanielC> juliux: Tamworth, near Birmingham.
[09:57] <juliux> DanielC, its only 2.5h from london ;)
[09:57] <DanielC> heh
[09:57] <juliux> but the most times the trains are late so i think 3h ;)
[09:58] <DanielC> :)
[09:59] <juliux> a good german becks beer bought in england ;)
[10:03] <juliux> hi mhz 
[10:06] <LaserJock> ogra: not in chemistry, German is good because most of the old journals from the early 1900's are in German
[10:06] <ogra> haha, funny
[10:06] <DanielC> ogra: How do I test if esd is running other than checking /tmp/.esd* ?  What should I see on the output of "ps aux"?
[10:06] <ogra> yeah, back then there was some inteilligence in that country ... i wonder where its gone :)
[10:06] <LaserJock> chemistry and physics have a heavy German influence
[10:07] <ogra> DanielC, esd should run on the client ... you shouldt see it on the server at all
[10:07] <juliux> LaserJock, yea she good old germany ;)
[10:07] <LaserJock> some time ago you used to *have* to learn German to get a PhD here
[10:07] <juliux> s/she/the
[10:07] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, so I guess that the fact that I don't is a good thing...
[10:07] <LaserJock> the would give you a test where you had to translate a German chemistry article into English before you could get your PhD
[10:08] <ogra> yeah
[10:08] <ogra> and if you hear the login sound all should be fine 
[10:08] <LaserJock> but now, people don't even now English and get there PhDs
[10:09] <DanielC> ogra: Ok.
[10:09] <kbrooks> cbx33: ping
[10:11] <DanielC> ogra: Is there anything I can test? The gstreamer-properties test works, but totem-gstreamer and rythmbox don't.
[10:11] <ogra> what are you trying to play ? both work here 
[10:12] <DanielC> ogra: Just an Ogg file. It worked before...
[10:12] <DanielC> It's not a codec issue or any such.
[10:19] <DanielC> ogra: Should there be something in the server's /etc/var/daemon.log? (there isn't, and the client doesn't have a daemon.log).
[10:20] <ogra> only in the users .xsession-errors the daemon runs fine
[10:21] <DanielC> Hmm... I don't see anything relevant in .xsession-errors