[12:04] <cox377> i just worked out by right clicking u can install .deb applications
[12:04] <Fenrrir> where meeting kopete 0.12 for ubuntu to dapper with jingle and pre-compiled?
[12:04] <cox377> : )
[12:04] <cox377> brb
[12:04] <icheyne> Anyone know why I have to reconnect to Wireless Assistant every time I login?
[12:05] <skipster23> how can i uninstall java version "1.4.2"  gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[12:05] <LjL> every time I boot my Kubuntu I need to go into the Network settings to set up my DNS server. the setting is not kept across reboots. hints?
[12:05] <geneo91> turn off dhcp
[12:06] <LjL> geneo91: how do I turn it off? I don't see anything if I type "ps aux | grep dh", so I wouldn't know how to do it
[12:06] <skipster23>  how can i uninstall java version "1.4.2"  gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[12:06] <geneo91> configure it manualy
[12:06] <icheyne> how do I make Firefox the default browser instead of konqueror?
[12:06] <LjL> geneo91: like what?
[12:07] <geneo91> system settings
[12:07] <CaBlGuY> !streamtuner
[12:07] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[12:07] <scott> i changed the reolution now it's locked up just after installing kubuntu-desktop, and i still have video... the install just died
[12:07] <CaBlGuY> Grrrrr
[12:07] <LjL> geneo91: my Network settings in System Settings are set to static, not DHCP
[12:08] <CaBlGuY> scott,  no go huh??
[12:08] <scott> what could be soooo different in 6.06 that i'd have this much trouble installing... exact same hardware i had with 5.10
[12:08] <geneo91> LjL:  well look at dns in there and apply
[12:08] <scott> nope CaBlGuY
[12:09] <CaBlGuY> scott, u couyld try this..  if you still have the breezey distro, install it and then do an upgrade striaght form the desktop.,..
[12:09] <icheyne> anyone managed to get wpa working with an RT2500
[12:09] <LjL> geneo91: that's what I do every time i boot. the problem is that the setting doesn't survive the next reboot
[12:09] <Ashex> Well, that sorta worked
[12:09] <Ashex> The onboard sound card isn't beind detected now
[12:09] <Ashex> and neither is my audigy card
[12:09] <geneo91> LjL:  your system is upto date
[12:10] <LjL> geneo91: i've run the last dist-upgrade not more than 10 minutes ago
[12:10] <scott> good idea CaBlGuY, i end up with the exact same thing i suppose
[12:10] <CaBlGuY> scott,  there's a lot of new stuff thrown into dapper so, it's hard to say exactly what goin on..
[12:10] <scott> it's just frustrating that the install isn't as smooth as a previous version
[12:10] <CaBlGuY> yes. you would end up with dapper in the end, just upgraded instead of striaght install
[12:10] <geneo91> LjL:  take a look at /etc/resolv.cong and remove anyting that does look right
[12:11] <marcreichelt> hi
[12:11] <CaBlGuY> howdy marcreichelt ...
[12:11] <marcreichelt> I have a small problem with udev
[12:11] <scott> i've been 4 hours yesterday, near 6 today... not whining... just saying
[12:11] <LjL> geneo91: the resolv.conf looks quite good -- right now it's got the right settings in it. but it, too, gets reset at reboot
[12:11] <CaBlGuY> scott,  I hear ya man..  I hear ya.. ;)
[12:11] <marcreichelt> I created a new partition on empty space on my disk, but the new partition /dev/hda3 isn't recognized yet
[12:11] <Ashex> geneo91: I'll hit up ##linux, you seem a little busy with other people :p
[12:11] <geneo91> sound like dhcp is kicking it off though
[12:11] <marcreichelt> and I don't want do reboot right now
[12:12] <icheyne> anyone else had trouble getting Azureus to update itself?
[12:12] <CaBlGuY> marcreichelt,  might not recoignise till u do reboot..
[12:12] <icheyne> do I have to kdesu it every time?
[12:12] <LjL> geneo91: perhaps i could remove the dhcp3-client package and see what happens?
[12:12] <marcreichelt> humm...
[12:12] <marcreichelt> no hotplug event, nothing?
[12:12] <loanwolf> ? in Synaptic...whats the orange colored symbol beside packages
[12:13] <insanekane> LjL: /etc/network/interfaces
[12:13] <CaBlGuY> marcreichelt,  not sure..  I'm not "adeot" in udev..  :p
[12:13] <CaBlGuY> *adept
[12:13] <LjL> insanekane: tried that, to no avail. isn't the right syntax "nameserver <ip-address>" there?
[12:13] <insanekane> LjL: do you see dhcp next to eth0 or something ?
[12:13] <marcreichelt> anyway, it _can't_ be that I must restart Linux in order to recognize the new partition... ;-)
[12:13] <LjL> insanekane: no
[12:13] <LjL> insanekane: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711726
[12:14] <Fenrrir> i have tow audio cards, but dapper swap dsp0 with dsp1, where can correct ?
[12:14] <insanekane> LjL: which is one is your net connection ?
[12:14] <LjL> insanekane: eth0
[12:15] <LjL> insanekane: the other don't even really exist (besides lo)
[12:15] <marcreichelt> I try to ask in ##linux
[12:15] <icheyne> anyone else been totally unable to get ATI drivers working?
[12:15] <insanekane> LjL: do you use eth1,eth2,etc ?
[12:15] <LjL> insanekane: no
[12:15] <insanekane> LjL: ah ok
[12:15] <insanekane> LjL: no ath0, wlan either ?
[12:15] <geneo91> coment those line out
[12:15] <LjL> insanekane: no. all those entries were put in automatically by kubuntu
[12:16] <LjL> geneo91: do you think they could interfer with eth0?
[12:16] <insanekane> LjL: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711729
[12:16] <geneo91> could be
[12:16] <insanekane> LjL: remove those extra ones, and try
[12:16] <LjL> insanekane: i assume i can prefix a # rather then removing them?
[12:17] <insanekane> sure
[12:17] <geneo91> ah just remove them
[12:17] <LjL> ok, i'm rebooting. back soon
[12:18] <omega> How can I create a directory in /mnt/ with konqueror?
[12:18] <geneo91> you cant
[12:18] <joe_attaboy> use a terminal, omega, like this
[12:18] <omega> But I don't want to use a terminal for all this stuf. =/
[12:18] <joe_attaboy> sudo mkdir /mnt/whatever
[12:19] <geneo91> sudo mkdir /mnt/bla lbla
[12:19] <omega> Everybody always points me towards the terminal.
[12:19] <joe_attaboy> that's the easiert way!
[12:19] <joe_attaboy> unless you login as root and do it that way.
[12:19] <geneo91> sudo konqueror
[12:19] <joe_attaboy> that'll work, too
[12:19] <omega> Hm. I'll try kdesu then.
[12:20] <joe_attaboy> I always install mc. It's a great file manager for terminals, and makes a lot of file and directory work easy.
[12:20] <geneo91> i love mc
[12:20] <joe_attaboy> me ,too
[12:20] <joe_attaboy> I wish it was installed by default on kubuntu
[12:20] <mikedep333> hey guys, what is the preferred kubuntu way to access smb shares?
[12:21] <LjL> geneo91, insanekane: no luck
[12:21] <joe_attaboy> mikedep333: there's lots of ways, but here's what I do.
[12:22] <geneo91> are you sure thats the real dns
[12:22] <joe_attaboy> make sure you have the smbfs package installed.
[12:22] <mikedep333> smb4k does not want to do it as user
[12:22] <geneo91> its not mine by a long shot
[12:22] <LjL> geneo91: 192.168.0.1? absolutely - and it works when i set it in System Settings
[12:22] <joe_attaboy> Install smbfs
[12:22] <mikedep333> I know how to use mount -t smbfs
[12:22] <Tommy2k4> you could smb://ip/sharename
[12:23] <Tommy2k4> or smb://pcname/sharename
[12:23] <joe_attaboy> yesh, then you can just add the mount commands to fstab
[12:23] <mikedep333> tommy: yeah
[12:23] <mikedep333> but then it isn't available to applications
[12:23] <geneo91> LjL:  what does sudo ifconfig rth0 say
[12:23] <Tommy2k4> or mount it by removing the smb:// prefix
[12:23] <geneo91> eth0
[12:23] <Ashex> while trying to install alsa, apt-get threw out this error: http://pastebin.com/711744
[12:24] <LjL> geneo91: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711745
[12:24] <mikedep333> if you boot your system up on a network where the fstab mount points aren't available, what happens?
[12:24] <joe_attaboy> mike: nothing
[12:24] <Tommy2k4> it just wont mount, no errors
[12:24] <mikedep333> oh, ok, good
[12:24] <joe_attaboy> I do that on my laptop all the time
[12:24] <zax1> i have an interesting problem with ubuntu/xubuntu instalation. i am green and cant figure out what to do. any one interested in the chalange ??                     i installed xubuntu as a dual boot OS together with win2k, 5gb partition for each OS, xubuntu wouldnt finish the install the computer crashed everytime at the mid to end "selecting and installing software".  on the other hand i...
[12:24] <zax1> ...had no problem installing kubuntu on the same machine         i ended up installing kubuntu 5.10 as a 'server' install and followed the direction to update and install xubuntu. once i configured the xserver for gui it loaded up fine but with onloy 600*800 resolution, i rebooted and added 1024*768 resolution and the gui loaded then crashed the computer in a similar maner to how it crashed...
[12:24] <Tommy2k4> i need a way for it to keep trying to mount until it eventually works
[12:24] <zax1> ...when i installed xubuntu......its a 700mhz 128mb laptop with INTEL830M integrated graphics....can any one help me out here ?
[12:24] <zax1> after the crash, i rebooted and am back on the console with no GUI, any ideas on how to proceed ?
[12:25] <geneo91> Ashex check and see if card is in slot properly
[12:25] <mikedep333> sigh, I think gnome has a better way for using network shares
[12:25] <Ashex> geneo91: it is, it's in there
[12:26] <Tommy2k4> what you need mikedep333?
[12:26] <insanekane> zax1: when you install, use the boot options and add "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" to the end before the "--"
[12:26] <geneo91> maybe it went blewy
[12:26] <Ashex> but just to be safe I'll shut down and re-seat it
[12:26] <mikedep333> I would like a way to mount smb shares as a user.
[12:27] <zax1> insanekane , am not sure what you are talking about, where shouldi add it ?
[12:27] <insanekane> zax1: when you start the installation, the boot screen you will see at the bottom something like "F6 Boot Options"
[12:28] <insanekane> zax1: press F6 and add the boot option i just told you
[12:28] <zax1> at the moment i have the kubuntu installed as a server, is there anything i can do now, instead of reinstalling ?
[12:28] <geneo91> hmm
[12:29] <insanekane> zax1: you want GUI ?
[12:29] <insanekane> zax1: install kubuntu-default-settings i guess
[12:29] <zax1> yeah, i want xfce gui
[12:29] <insanekane> of xfce
[12:29] <insanekane> right
[12:29] <zax1> its a slow machine, i wanted the xubuntu GUI
[12:29] <insanekane> !xubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <ubotu> insanekane: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:29] <insanekane> !info xubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: (Xubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.32 (dapper), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[12:30] <insanekane> zax1: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:30] <zax1> will that make sure that it starts with gui every time ?
[12:30] <geneo91> if you use xdm
[12:31] <zax1> i followed thins guide, i think i did that already, could you see if there is any clues to my problem there ?? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingXubuntu
[12:33] <insanekane> zax1: if you type xinit ... does that start the X server ?
[12:33] <zax1> i am just rebooting, will let u know in a minute
[12:35] <geneo91> LjL:  have you tried dhcp
[12:37] <LjL> geneo91: tried removing it, you mean? no, not yet. right now i'm writing a bug report, i think this is a bug, even though we might find a workaround
[12:37] <geneo91> when you installed kubuntu did you let it go with dhcp
[12:38] <zax1> insanekane  , xinit started the gui and it crashed imidiately
[12:38] <LjL> geneo91: hmm... you see, when i installed, it didn't even *ask*. the old text-only installer asked, but the new one didn't
[12:39] <LjL> geneo91: however, I had set static IP from inside the live CD, and apparently the installation took those settings
[12:39] <LjL> geneo91: and, if i recall correctly, the first few boots had the DNS working correctly. i'm not sure what could have changed since then.
[12:39] <geneo91> oh man that live installer is screwy
[12:40] <LjL> geneo91: by the way, the same thing that happens with DNS also happens to the domain name (not that i really need one) -- not too surprising, since they both end up in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:40] <LjL> geneo91: well, i assumed it was stable enough, since they've released it as the "main" CD
[12:41] <geneo91> i used dvd text installer
[12:41] <zax1> any one have any helpfull ideas ? i have no more hair to pull
[12:41] <geneo91> and it even got my cpus right not 386
[12:41] <scott> you bald too, zax1?
[12:42] <LjL> i guess the GUI installer has been released a bit too early
[12:42] <zax1> am now, been messing about with this silly laptop most of the day
[12:42] <geneo91> zax1:  wait a few days till you grow more
[12:42] <zax1> if only i had as many helpful remarks as mocking ones....:|
[12:42] <zax1> :p
[12:43] <geneo91> hey did you try the xubuntu cd installer
[12:43] <zax1> thats what i started with, but it crashed the system right after the "selecting and installing software" stage
[12:43] <linuxmonkey> can someone help me with printer issues
[12:44] <zax1> on the other hand kubuntu full nad server options installs with no problems
[12:44] <geneo91> did you use text mode
[12:44] <geneo91> i'd try that
[12:45] <linuxmonkey> I got a HP Deskjet 3845 and I cant add it, it says it cant create the footmatic driver
[12:46] <Tommy2k4> is there a keyboard shortcut to open konsole
[12:46] <insanekane> zax1: what do you mean "xserver crashed" ?
[12:46] <zax1> yes text mode, geneo91
[12:46] <insanekane> zax1: did it come back to console ?
[12:46] <zax1> no never came back
[12:46] <insanekane> then ?
[12:46] <insanekane> it showed the X cursor ?
[12:46] <zax1> alt ctrl back space or alt +2 didnt work
[12:46] <insanekane> and a terminal window ?
[12:47] <zax1> had to reboot
[12:47] <zax1> it showed the x, then the curtains fell on it and it became black from top to bottom
[12:47] <insanekane> so, you didnt see the stipple design, the "X" like cursor and a terminal window ?
[12:47] <geneo91> how much ram it have
[12:47] <LjL> geneo91: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/49917
[12:47] <zax1> 128ram and 246 swap partition
[12:47] <pxl> ola, quick question, say im in /home/user/files and i want to copy all the files, sub dirs and files in the sub dirs to /home/user , what would the correct syntax for that be?
[12:47] <james_xxx> why won't amarok play an audio CD, but kaffeine will?
[12:48] <Ashex> damnation, I still can't get alsa to recognize my card
[12:49] <arb> ok let me try this, whats the command to copy a directory and all its sub directories and files? i tried cp -r but that didnt seem to work
[12:49] <geneo91> Ashex sudo lsmod
[12:49] <insanekane> arb: cp -R
[12:49] <visik7> arb: drag & drop ?
[12:49] <visik7> no
[12:49] <arb> thanks insanekane
[12:49] <arb> visik7: remote server
[12:49] <visik7> fish ?
[12:50] <visik7> fish://user:password@serverssh
[12:50] <Ashex> geneo91: http://pastebin.com/711800 and I'm pretty sure the module is emu10kxx
[12:50] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[12:52] <geneo91> Ashex both uses that module
[12:52] <Ashex> geneo91: what do you mean? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying
[12:52] <arb> visik7: im trying to copy the content of a folder (html, images and sub folders) to another dir, but when i try it doesnt copy the dirs across... even with the -R... so im doing something wrong... i navigate to the dir, and this is the command i run... but it doesnt work: cp -R *.* ~/httpdocs
[12:53] <visik7> arb: have u ever tried fish ?
[12:53] <arb> visik7: nope, i havent, what is it or should i google?
[12:53] <visik7> you have
[12:53] <visik7> if you have kde
[12:53] <arb> yeah
[12:53] <visik7> open konqueror
[12:53] <arb> i have kde
[12:53] <geneo91> Ashex try rmmod emu10k1
[12:53] <visik7> and type fish://serverssh
[12:54] <geneo91> sudo first then
[12:54] <arb> visik7: nooit, is it a gui scp client?
[12:54] <visik7> a gui sftp
[12:54] <insanekane> arb: try cp -R ./* ~/httpdocs
[12:54] <arb> ok tar, let me try that then
[12:54] <arb> shot insanekane
[12:54] <zax1> well, anyone else...?
[12:54] <Ashex> geneo91: ERROR: Module emu10k1 does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:55] <insanekane> arb: shot ?
[12:55] <zax1> F me. back to kubuntu then, thanks for the help
[12:55] <geneo91> ok then modprobe emu10k1
[12:55] <insanekane> zax1: you know .. you arent following the instructions on that webpafe
[12:55] <insanekane> webage
[12:55] <Ashex> geneo91: FATAL: Module emu10k1 not found.
[12:55] <Ashex> Gah!
[12:56] <zax1> how so insane ?
[12:56] <Ashex> oh, it should be snd+emu10k1
[12:56] <geneo91> you just showed it in lsmod
[12:56] <Ashex> er, snd_emu10k1
[12:56] <crimsun_> Ashex: what's the issue?
[12:56] <zax1> i did, it didnt do the job
[12:56] <insanekane> zax1: i remember it tells you right in there how to enable the GUI etc
[12:56] <Ashex> Alsa isn't detecting my sound card
[12:56] <zax1> i know
[12:56] <Ashex> it was a few days ago, but it's suddenly stopped
[12:57] <zax1> i followed it , and cant get it up
[12:57] <insanekane> zax1: did you install gdm/kdm ?
[12:57] <Ashex> lspci shows the card is there, but alsa refuses to use it
[12:57] <zax1> no, it also gives the option for XFCE
[12:57] <crimsun_> Ashex: pastebin ``tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer && cat /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc*''
[12:57] <geneo91> crimsun_:  he had onboard snd on also
[12:57] <insanekane> zax1: what ?
[12:57] <insanekane> zax1: how about xdm ?
[12:58] <arb> thanks insanekane, worked, i wanna learn the command line stuffs, so thanks for the help.
[12:58] <zax1> Optional: if your computer is terribly slow, you do not need to install gdm nor kdm. Just start xfce with a command startxfce4 or just type xserver. For automating this, put it into the init files
[12:58] <insanekane> you cant automate it
[12:58] <Ashex> crimsun_: http://pastebin.com/711816
[12:58] <insanekane> either you use kdm/gdm/xdm ... or you login in the console
[12:58] <Ashex> Yeah, I've disabled the onboard sound in the bios
[12:59] <zax1> oh, well 2 b honest automating is less important just now, i wonder y is it crashing all the time
[12:59] <insanekane> either way, you can't enter the system without logging in
[12:59] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[12:59] <insanekane> zax1: so startxfce4 crashes ?
[01:00] <crimsun_> Ashex: and ``dmesg''?
[01:00] <zax1> i think am not sure who exactly crashes, just know that when i type xinit,xserver, startxfce4 it would t load
[01:00] <insanekane> zax1: ok, you said you modified the xorg configuration right ? changed some resolution ?
[01:00] <Ashex> crimsun_: http://pastebin.com/711822
[01:00] <zax1> i think when thy write automate - they meant to go stright to the gui
[01:00] <insanekane> zax1: i strongly suggest you go back to 640x480 and get it working again
[01:01] <zax1> is there a way i can load a fresh back up of the option, cuz i played about with it, since it wouldnt work
[01:01] <insanekane> zax1: yes, it is not possible to go straight to Xfce .. you need to login ... either graphical login aka kdm/gdm/xdm ... or console login
[01:01] <insanekane> zax1: fresh backup ?
[01:01] <insanekane> zax1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:02] <zax1> sudo first ?
[01:02] <insanekane> yes
[01:02] <crimsun_> Ashex: pretty clear from the paste
[01:02] <crimsun_> [4294691.606000]  ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/ac97/ac97_codec.c:1910: AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET
[01:02] <crimsun_> [4294691.606000]  ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/ac97/ac97_codec.c:1919: AC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0] , removing mixer.
[01:02] <crimsun_> Ashex: note that you're running an old kernel. Please update to -25-
[01:03] <Ashex> bleh, any way to do that with apt?
[01:03] <psyk> i need help configuring wpa supplicant
[01:04] <psyk> can anyone please help?
[01:04] <crimsun_> Ashex: update && dist-upgrade
[01:04] <crimsun_> psyk: I only use the conffiles
[01:04] <psyk> what are th econfiles
[01:05] <crimsun_> (no network-manager or wlassistant or the like)
[01:05] <zax1> insanekane, ny specific way to start up the xfce ?
[01:05] <psyk> i need to get wpa working on my laptop asap
[01:05] <crimsun_> psyk: the text-based configuration files
[01:05] <zax1> startxfce4 ?
[01:05] <Ashex> crimsun_: so what are the odds that my audigy card will work after this?
[01:05] <crimsun_> Ashex: 50%
[01:05] <willy> are any channel in spanish  to kubuntu ??????
[01:05] <zax1> is there a way to force it to log any errors ?
[01:05] <LjL> crimsun_, a quick question: given i'm using kubuntu.org's KDE 3.5.3, should i log possibly-KDE-related problems on launchpad, or rather talk to Riddell, or what?
[01:05] <insanekane> zax1: automatically ? use xdm/kdm/gdm
[01:05] <psyk> how do i edit and save files in shell?
[01:05] <LjL> psyk: use nano
[01:05] <Kyral> vi, nano, or emacs
[01:05] <Ashex> crimsun_: I'll flip coins while I wait
[01:06] <crimsun_> LjL: probably discuss on the mailing list
[01:06] <willy> are any channel in spanish  to kubuntu ??????
[01:06] <crimsun_> !es
[01:06] <LjL> crimsun_: ok, thanks
[01:06] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:06] <insanekane> willy: maybe kubuntu-es ?
[01:06] <psyk> nano?\
[01:06] <zax1> LIKE THAT ?    sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start
[01:06] <willy> thanks
[01:06] <LjL> psyk: "nano <filename>"
[01:06] <insanekane> zax1: yes
[01:07] <psyk> does enabled=0 mean disabled?
[01:07] <zax1> i get command not found
[01:07] <Ashex> crimsun_: so just reboot and see if the sound card is detected I'm guessing
[01:07] <crimsun_> psyk: yes
[01:07] <psyk> what do i do enabled=1?
[01:08] <psyk> and how do i exit with nano and save
[01:08] <crimsun_> psyk: for what? where?
[01:08] <psyk> its in my etc/default/wpasupplicant file
[01:08] <zax1> insanekane, i get command not found
[01:08] <crimsun_> psyk: that file is deprecated if you're using dapper (6.06 lts)
[01:08] <psyk> when i try to run it it says wpasupplicant disabled
[01:08] <zax1> but with running startxfce4 the desktop loads
[01:08] <zax1> huray
[01:08] <LjL> psyk: look at the bottom of the screen, there are instructions
[01:09] <LjL> psyk: specifically, press ctrl+x
[01:09] <scarn> anyone know of a way yet, to stop k/ubuntu setting the clock 5 hours ahead?
[01:09] <zax1> now,  it doesnt stretch to the entire screen - i get about 2inches on all sides of black margin
[01:09] <psyk> whats deprecated?
[01:09] <LjL> scarn: perhaps you've set your timezone wrong?
[01:09] <scarn> LjL nope
[01:09] <psyk> man im using breezy badger
[01:09] <psyk> does the new dapper support wpa?
[01:10] <psyk> easier at least or something
[01:10] <crimsun_> psyk: yes, both breezy and dapper do
[01:10] <crimsun_> psyk: so yes, change that enabled to =1
[01:10] <psyk> now i just trying to save and it says permission denied
[01:11] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[01:11] <crimsun_> psyk: you will also need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[01:11] <scarn> its set correctly. its when rebooting back to windows. the windows clock gets set 5 hours ahead
[01:11] <crimsun_> psyk: you need superuser privileges to edit it by default
[01:11] <scarn> dont recall if k/ubuntus is messed when going back
[01:11] <psyk> im in nano and i need to save changed
[01:11] <scarn> i want to keep kubuntu, but this makes it not worth it
[01:11] <LjL> psyk: ctrl+x, as i said
[01:12] <LjL> psyk: oh, permission denied? then you need to edit as root
[01:12] <psyk> got it
[01:12] <LjL> psyk: "sudo nano <filename>"
[01:12] <LjL> psyk: when you touch any file that's not in your home directory, you usually need to be root
[01:14] <zax1> does any one know how i get to the repositories through a gui on Xubuntu ?
[01:14] <[Evil] [Ernie] > Adept?
[01:15] <zax1> i cant find synaptic or the other one- adept
[01:15] <Ashex> crimsun_: I've rebooted and no change
[01:15] <[Evil] [Ernie] > k menu- system- adept
[01:15] <zax1> Xubuntu - not Kubuntu
[01:15] <[Evil] [Ernie] > oops
[01:15] <zax1> my bad, am in the wrtong irc, but no one answers down in xubuntu
[01:15] <james_xxx> usually a xubuntu install includes synaptic
[01:16] <Ashex> mebers12
[01:16] <Ashex> oops, wrong channel >_>
[01:16] <zax1> this xubuntu was done on the back of a kubuntu server install, and runs the xfce dm(pfffew i sound like i know what i am talkin about) so maybe it doesnt
[01:17] <james_xxx> zax1: ifit isn't there, then install it
[01:17] <Ashex> ah screw it, I'll deal with this problem another time. I just want music
[01:17] <zax1> how do i do that james?
[01:17] <crimsun_> Ashex: dmesg would have been helpful
[01:18] <james_xxx> isn't it sudo apt-get install synaptic  ?
[01:19] <zax1> i wouldnt know am as green as the grass, but i'll give it a try, thanks
[01:19] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[01:21] <clayton> heheh, here i am
[01:22] <nouse66> ls
[01:23] <visik7> what is the warning on upgrade :
[01:23] <visik7> Setting up pcmcia-cs (3.2.8-5.2ubuntu7) ...
[01:23] <visik7>  * Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 requires pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs
[01:23] <crimsun_> Ashex: 19:17 < crimsun_> Ashex: dmesg would have been helpful
[01:23] <Ashex> heh
[01:23] <crimsun_> visik7: that's expected. You know, you're not running 2.6.12 anymore. :)
[01:23] <crimsun_> Ashex: did you remove the audigy?
[01:23] <visik7> ok have I to do something ?
[01:24] <crimsun_> visik7: you don't have to do a thing
[01:24] <visik7> ok
[01:24] <visik7> thanks
[01:24] <Ashex> crimsun_: nah, it's still there. All I did was enable my onboard sound in bios
[01:24] <zax1> can some one tell me how do i get a better driver for my graphics controller. and why does it works fantastic outof the box for kubuntu and not for xubuntu ?
[01:24] <james_xxx> i have kubuntu on two computers, and audio CD's play on the one (in amarok) but not the other....
[01:24] <Ashex> crimsun_: here's the dmesg http://pastebin.com/711866
[01:26] <Ashex> crimsun_: look at line 288
[01:26] <crimsun_> Ashex: that error in dmesg indicates hardware failure
[01:26] <Ashex> :/
[01:26] <crimsun_> Ashex: please confirm with another OS that it works
[01:26] <Ashex> I'll boot into windows and check
[01:26] <Ashex|Lappy|> crap in a hat
[01:26] <Ashex|Lappy|> if my audigy card is bad, that's going to really suck
[01:28] <visik7> is there a frontend for /etc/network/interfaces ?
[01:28] <Nick1> I'm thinking of making the switch from windows to linux. But I don't know if I should choose Kubuntu or SuSe.
[01:29] <geneo91> stick with kubuntu
[01:29] <Xymor> why not?
[01:30] <Ashex|Lappy|> if you're going to ask whether kubuntu or SuSe is better in the kubuntu channel
[01:30] <Ashex|Lappy|> i'd say it's fairly obvious what you're answer will be
[01:30] <Ashex|Lappy|> :p
[01:30] <geneo91> well i can tell you i just dumped suse 10.1 it sucked and yast blows
[01:31] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[01:31] <Ashex|Lappy|> Heh, actually i don't really like SuSe very much
[01:32] <zax1> from the XFCE desktop, how do i make sure i run as administrator ?
[01:32] <geneo91> i've tried it many times in rhe last 7 years it never get any better
[01:32] <Ashex|Lappy|> if you want an OS loaded with a rediculous amount of apps and a confusing software installer, use SuSe
[01:33] <ICXCNIKA> Well I've heard SuSe is more user-friendly than Kubuntu. Really I don't do a lot of magic on my computer. Just word processing and web browsing.
[01:33] <Ashex|Lappy|> and those 5 cd's you burn to install, you need those to install additional things
[01:33] <Ashex|Lappy|> or you can just modify your repositories to use the web
[01:34] <Ashex|Lappy|> crimsun_: I've booted into windows at the device manager shows the audigy card
[01:35] <crimsun_> Ashex|Lappy|: and sounds play fine?
[01:35] <geneo91> Ashex|Lappy|:  does it wok though
[01:36] <animato> hello, i just started using kubuntu
[01:36] <Ashex|Lappy|> Heh, I'm checking that
[01:36] <Ashex|Lappy|> and I'm thinking the answer to those questions is no....
[01:37] <animato> what's the use of saving the last session? is it safe to cancel? how do i do it?
[01:37] <Ashex|Lappy|> I was switching sound ports in the back when the os suddenly gave me blue squiggly lines across the screens
[01:37] <Ashex|Lappy|> I'll try the front panel
[01:38] <Ashex|Lappy|> I'm guessing we've all decided it's a hardware issue
[01:38] <ICXCNIKA> How do you like it animato?
[01:38] <animato> i like it very much
[01:38] <Ashex|Lappy|> crimsun_: yup, I'm getting sound out the front panel
[01:38] <animato> used ubuntu before, and i think i like kde better now :)
[01:39] <crimsun_> Ashex|Lappy|: what is "the front panel"?
[01:39] <animato> can i cancel that "save last session" thighy?
[01:39] <animato> thingy
[01:39] <Ashex|Lappy|> The audigy card has the pci card and a seperate part thats fit into the front drive slot
[01:39] <crimsun_> oh, the livedrive?
[01:39] <Ashex|Lappy|> Yeah
[01:40] <crimsun_> yeah, you're kinda screwed there
[01:40] <crimsun_> the driver is pretty accurate
[01:40] <Ashex|Lappy|> it connects to the card though :/
[01:40] <Ashex|Lappy|> oh well, I guess i'll live with the onboard sound
[01:40] <Ashex|Lappy|> it's not that bad though, has 5.1 with optical
[01:41] <ICXCNIKA> I've used Mandriva before for like two months. Wasn't too impressed with it animato.
[01:41] <ICXCNIKA> Right now I'm using XP>
[01:41] <geneo91> booo
[01:42] <Ashex|Lappy|> Yay! Time to play musical pci slots!
[01:42] <animato> is there a black theme for konv?
[01:43] <LjL> i don't think konversation has themes at all, except for the user icons
[01:43] <Cayou> I have a weird sound problem, sounds appear to be "late". When I play a game, I hear sounds about 1/2 second after they are triggered... any clues?
[01:44] <LjL> you certainly can change the background color though
[01:44] <Ashex|Lappy|> If I can't get this card to work, I'll run it through the dishwasher and try again
[01:44] <animato> ok thanx
[01:44] <animato> and why does adept fails to load sometimes?
[01:44] <geneo91> Ashex|Lappy|:  try the freezer
[01:44] <animato> i click on it, it loads and then quits
[01:44] <animato> :(
[01:44] <Ashex|Lappy|> the freezer?
[01:45] <geneo91> yeah i used to put electronic things in freezer to fix them
[01:45] <LjL> animato: wouldn't know. sounds like a bug
[01:45] <Ashex|Lappy|> Ha
[01:45] <Ashex|Lappy|> I just run them through the dishwasher
[01:45] <animato> :(
[01:46] <animato> if i install kmplayer, do i need to install mplayer too for it to work?
[01:46] <geneo91> it will install all files needed
[01:46] <animato> ok thanx
[01:47] <animato> what about w32codecs? does libxine-extracodecs include those?
[01:47] <Ashex|Lappy|> Yup
[01:47] <animato> thanx
[01:47] <Ashex|Lappy|> Name: Creative Audigy 2 soundcard
[01:48] <animato> wow, kde is more amazing than i thought :)
[01:48] <geneo91> it'll play just about any format there is
[01:48] <Ashex|Lappy|> time of Death: June 15, 2006 4:48 pm PST
[01:48] <animato> it makes me happy i ditched gnome for it :)
[01:48] <Ashex|Lappy|> :(
[01:48] <geneo91> whens the funeral
[01:49] <stodge> adept will only start in read only mode. I tried killall adept but that didn't do anything
[01:49] <stodge> Any ideas?
[01:49] <dbglt> apt running somewhere else?
[01:50] <stodge> No- rebooted
[01:50] <geneo91> yeah sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:50] <dbglt> you are running it with kdesu, yeah?
[01:50] <stodge> I'm running it through the main menu
[01:51] <stodge> I guess adept had crashed
[01:51] <paul_> hi any ALICE ADSL user that help with WiFi?
[01:51] <dbglt> only thing I can guess is that the lock file hasn't been removed
[01:51] <dbglt> if you aren't running any instances of apt
[01:51] <stodge> Had to do       dpkg --configure -a
[01:52] <ICXCNIKA> I'm just wondering if Kubuntu makes for a good desktop OS.
[01:53] <Ashex|Lappy|> I use it for my desktop
[01:53] <LjL> me too
[01:53] <stodge> koffice still has a long way to go but it is a good desktop
[01:54] <stodge> Anyone using a PDA with kpilot?
[01:56] <RawSewage> A long way to go to where
[01:57] <RawSewage> tj9991, does it put you out too much to idle on #Boringville
[01:59] <nouse66> has anyone gotten mysql-query-browser 1.1.18 working? (i.e. not segfaunt on startup)
[02:01] <Cayou> I'm experiencing a delay problem with sound, just about 1 second... any help?
[02:04] <leafwiz> Hi, I keep getting this error while using opera:
[02:04] <leafwiz> SkillSoft talked to 3,000 people to come up with its conclusion that handling the computers frazzles the nerves more than any other job
[02:04] <leafwiz> motifwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
[02:04] <leafwiz> motifwrapper: X Error: serial=0x98120, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x400014e
[02:06] <josh> hey all
[02:06] <kuzmaster>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 234923
[02:06] <LjL> kuzmaster: change your password, and please next time type that into the server window
[02:06] <kuzmaster> sorry
[02:06] <LjL> ;-)
[02:07] <kuzmaster> i diddnt mean to tpye it into here
[02:07] <LjL> i had no doubts that you didn't ;)
[02:08] <kuzmaster> i just installed kubuntu
[02:08] <kuzmaster> but there are no packages to install in adept
[02:08] <LjL> *no* packages at all?
[02:08] <kuzmaster> it says that there all installed
[02:08] <LjL> try "sudo apt-get update" in the console
[02:08] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:09] <kuzmaster> do i have to go sudo -i first?
[02:09] <LjL> no
[02:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:10] <LjL> don't use sudo -i, unless you find it absolutely necessary (i.e. just about never)
[02:10] <apokryphos> eh? sudo -i is fine to use
[02:10] <kuzmaster> heres what i got after sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <kuzmaster> Reading package lists... Done
[02:10] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[02:10] <LjL> apokryphos: helps giving the bad habit of staying root all the time
[02:10] <apokryphos> if you're going to be executing several commands as root, it's more useless to keep prefixing your commands with sudo
[02:10] <james_xxx> linux seems to suck for streaming media
[02:10] <LjL> apokryphos: i thought that's one of the very reasons ubuntu uses sudo - to help people get the habit of only using root when needed
[02:10] <kuzmaster> nope, that diddnt do anything
[02:11] <kuzmaster> all the packages are installed, same as before
[02:11] <apokryphos> LjL: indeed it is (by no means the only one), but doesn't mean you shouldn't do when it's more convenient (and perfectly safe to).
[02:11] <LjL> kuzmaster: try     apt-cache search  "" | wc -l
[02:11] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:12] <kuzmaster> apt-cache search  "" | wc -l ?
[02:12] <LjL> apokryphos: true, but i bet he (as anybody else) will use it anyway, when he finds it really convenient
[02:12] <LjL> kuzmaster: yeah, it'll show how many packages there are that APT can see
[02:12] <kuzmaster> all i got was '937'
[02:12] <LjL> uh, that's a little... little
[02:12] <LjL> kuzmaster: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin
[02:13] <geneo91> thats just the cd then
[02:13] <LjL> yeah i bet so
[02:13] <kuzmaster> ill show a screenshot of adept
[02:13] <LjL> wonder why no repositories have been added to the sources.list though
[02:13] <LjL> kuzmaster: i don't need that, i need to see your sources.list to see what's wrong
[02:13] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:13] <kuzmaster> ill show
[02:14] <geneo91> maybe because networking wasn't setup right
[02:14] <kuzmaster> heres the screen shot anyway
[02:14] <LjL> geneo91: but i just told him to "apt-get update"
[02:14] <kuzmaster> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1106/snapshot12gz.jpg
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> yeah, skip networking setup or dhcp fails and repos don't get setup.
[02:14] <LjL> LeeJunFan: oh?
[02:14] <geneo91> that dont add nothing
[02:15] <LjL> geneo91: no, it doesn't add any reps indeed. but i didn't know that repositories wouldn't get *added* when no network was present
[02:15] <LjL> !easysource
[02:15] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:15] <LjL> kuzmaster: that site will allow you to create a working sources.list file
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> LjL: yeah, I've set up quite a few systems skipping networking until after and repos don't get setup correctly, and it doesn't even make a resolv.conf also.
[02:16] <kuzmaster> heres my sources.list
[02:16] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711936
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> As if it would know what to put in resolv.conf :)
[02:16] <kuzmaster> i dont think i have a resolv.conf
[02:16] <kuzmaster> where should it be?
[02:17] <LjL> kuzmaster: ok, uncomment lines 3, 5, 10, 12, 21, 22, 35, 37, 38, 39
[02:17] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:17] <LjL> LeeJunFan: i'm having DNS problems, too
[02:17] <geneo91> LjL:  still need multiverse
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> kuzmaster: /etc/resolv.conf - if you don't have one I suspect you wouldn't even be able to get online since the system wouldn't know what nameserver to use.
[02:17] <LjL> LeeJunFan: my KDE network settings will get wiped out at every reboot :\ (same for resolv.conf, of course)
[02:18] <kuzmaster> but everytime i open the sources.list for the first time in root
[02:18] <kuzmaster> it says 'malformed url'
[02:18] <kuzmaster> just to let u know
[02:18] <LjL> uhm?
[02:18] <LjL> not sure i understand
[02:18] <kuzmaster> its done that in 3 installations
[02:19] <CaptainMorgan> how do I get wlan assistant to load on every startup?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> LjL: hrm, are you using DHCP? perhaps the DHCP server is sending bad info so your resolv.conf doesn't get setup right.
[02:20] <LjL> LeeJunFan: no, i'm using a static IP. actually... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/49917
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> LjL: change eth0 from manual to static
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> and make sure there's an auto eth0 line as well.
[02:21] <kuzmaster> after i modify the sources.list should i go sudo apt-get update?
[02:21] <geneo91> kuzmaster: yes
[02:21] <LjL> LeeJunFan: uh? change it where?
[02:21] <kuzmaster> k
[02:22] <james_xxx> can someone tell me how to configure amarok to play audio CD's?
[02:22] <LjL> LeeJunFan: yes, /etc/network/interfaces has "auto eth0"
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> LjL: oh, wait. do you have address, netmask, gateway lines (etc) in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0?
[02:22] <apokryphos> james_xxx: it should be able to play them by default
[02:22] <LjL> LeeJunFan: yes. i also have a "nameserver" line (because i added it manually), but doesn't quite work
[02:22] <james_xxx> hmmm
[02:22] <apokryphos> james_xxx: what engine are you using?
[02:22] <CaptainMorgan> amarok rawks!
[02:22] <kuzmaster> it looks like it doing the same as the last 3 installations, cto'ing
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> LjL: okay, then change manual to static and make sure there's a line that says auto eth0
[02:23] <kuzmaster> brb
[02:23] <LjL> LeeJunFan: "manual to static" you mean in /e/n/interfaces? if so, it already says "iface eth0 inet static"
[02:24] <geneo91> LjL:  i bet its from live cd thats doing it
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> LjL: okay, in your launchpad bug it says manual. You should only need to add a line "auto eth0"
[02:25] <LjL> LeeJunFan: it says "Manual" as the KDE Network settings are concerned, not as /etc/network/interfaces is concerned
[02:25] <james_xxx> apokryphos: xine engine
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> LjL: ah.
[02:25] <apokryphos> should be fine, yeah.
[02:25] <james_xxx> CaptainMorgan: amarok rocks on my laptop, but not on this PC
[02:25] <LjL> LeeJunFan: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711943
[02:25] <james_xxx> apokryphos: it does not work.
[02:26] <LjL> geneo91: it may well be that, but i don't really feel like installing from scratch ;-)
[02:26] <james_xxx> apokryphos: it will not even allow me to click on 'play audio CD'
[02:28] <LjL> i'm starting to doubt whether i had that problem with KDE 3.5.2 (i'm running 3.5.3 now). i thought i did, but i'm not so terribly sure..
[02:29] <LjL> perhaps i could give it a quick test in VMWare
[02:29] <kuzmaster> im back
[02:30] <LjL> oh, fine, vmware wants kernel version -23, and 386 rather than K7
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> LjL: maybe the nameserver thing is stopping it from ifup-ing correctly, I really wish that was documented in the interfaces manpage, just a sec, I'll get the syntax from another sys.
[02:30] <kuzmaster> sudo apt-get failed, heres what i got http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711948
[02:31] <kuzmaster> it just keeps cto'ing
[02:31] <LjL> LeeJunFan: but i did *not* have the "nameserver 192.168.0.1" entry before... i tried adding it because of this very problem
[02:31] <LjL> kuzmaster: your nameserver definitely isn't working...
[02:31] <LjL> it things the ubuntu mirrors are at IP address 1.0.0.0 :o)
[02:31] <LjL> s/things/thinks/
[02:31] <kuzmaster> hmmmm
[02:32] <kuzmaster> how do i fix it
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> LjL: well, anyway, it should be dns-nameservers I guess, implemented by resolvconf package.
[02:32] <kuzmaster> that happend on 3 seperate installations
[02:32] <LjL> i don't know. if you can connect to IRC, it means you somehow *can* resolve names...
[02:32] <kuzmaster> my resolv.config says this...
[02:32] <kuzmaster> nameserver 192.168.1.100
[02:33] <kuzmaster> that the ip address of my router
[02:33] <LjL> LeeJunFan: meaning i should add a "dns-nameservers" entry to /e/n/interfaces?
[02:33] <kuzmaster> soooooo, what should i do?
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> LjL: instead of just nameserver.
[02:33] <LjL> kuzmaster: try "nslookup au.archive.ubuntu.com"
[02:33] <LjL> LeeJunFan: i'll try that
[02:34] <james_xxx> apokryphos: KsCD acts like it is working , but i get no sound
[02:34] <kuzmaster> LeejunFan, in konsole?
[02:34] <crimsun_> james_xxx: is kscd configured to use digital audio extraction?
[02:34] <james_xxx> kaffeine will play the audio CD if i right click on the CD's icon and select 'play audio CD in kaffeine'
[02:34] <kuzmaster> in konsole?
[02:34] <LjL> kuzmaster: yes
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> kuzmaster: yes.
[02:34] <james_xxx> crimsun_: i don't know
[02:34] <kuzmaster> k
[02:34] <crimsun_> james_xxx: check its preferences
[02:35] <LjL> kuzmaster: should be 130.95.3.26
[02:35] <kuzmaster> heres what i get http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711954
[02:35] <LjL> that's correct
[02:36] <LjL> hm
[02:36] <kuzmaster> ok then, why isnt it working
[02:36] <james_xxx> crimsun_: thank you
[02:36] <kuzmaster> could it be somthing with my router
[02:36] <kuzmaster> i have a wireless connection
[02:37] <LjL> well, it *is* resolving the names, and yet apt-get believes it isn't... so i doubt it
[02:37] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:37] <LjL> try it once more though, just to be sure
[02:37] <kuzmaster> apt-get update?
[02:37] <LjL> yes
[02:37] <kuzmaster> k
[02:37] <geneo91> sudo
[02:38] <kuzmaster> it done more than last time
[02:38] <kuzmaster> it is getting somthings
[02:38] <kuzmaster> but not others
[02:38] <LjL> "Some broadband gateways (modems) can't handle multiple high-speed dns requests. The best known culprits are the Actiontec DSL gateways, but others may be effected as well. Contact your ISP & obtain the primary & secondary DNS server. It should be a long number like 123.456.7.89"
[02:38] <LjL> http://www.mepis.org/node/6516
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> well it's not saying it can't find it is it? it's saying it can't connect?
[02:39] <LjL> LeeJunFan: yeah, but i have no doubts that it wouldn't connect to 1.0.0.0 ;-)
[02:39] <kuzmaster> its doing heaps this time
[02:39] <kuzmaster> but some are failing
[02:39] <james_xxx> crimsun_: would you have any idea why i can't get amarok to play audio CD's?
[02:39] <crimsun_> james_xxx: I don't use amarok.
[02:40] <LjL> kuzmaster: try editing your /etc/resolv.conf, and at the "nameserver" line, set "212.245.255.2" as the IP address
[02:40] <kuzmaster> heres my results
[02:40] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711960
[02:40] <LjL> kuzmaster: then apt-get update again
[02:40] <kuzmaster> you might what to have a look at that first
[02:40] <LjL> kuzmaster: right, it's working this time
[02:40] <LjL> kuzmaster: it isn't finding some of the sites, but that's a different issue
[02:40] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:40] <kuzmaster> ill try adept now
[02:41] <kuzmaster> are those sites it not finding important?
[02:42] <LjL> yes
[02:42] <geneo91> try changing to uk instead of au
[02:42] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:42] <LjL> geneo91: but it appears not to be finding even security.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <kuzmaster> there are a lot more packages this time
[02:43] <LjL> i'm sure there are... but you're missing the security updates, which are important
[02:43] <kuzmaster> should i still change my resolv.conf to 212.245.225.2
[02:43] <LjL> no
[02:43] <kuzmaster> k
[02:43] <LjL> just try the update one more time - might have been a temporary glitch of the server
[02:43] <james_xxx> KsCD will not even let me change its size lol
[02:43] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:43] <LjL> (though, you might keep http://www.mepis.org/node/6516 in your bookmarks, 'cause i suspect the problem with DNS can happen again)
[02:43] <kuzmaster> me?
[02:44] <LjL> (212.245.255.2 is an Italian DNS server, which I know to be publicly accessible... but it'd certainly be best to use your ISP's DNS)
[02:44] <LjL> yes you
[02:44] <kuzmaster> k
[02:44] <kuzmaster> and apt-get update isnt working again
[02:45] <LjL> oh what the heck, just try the 212.245.255.2 thing
[02:45] <kuzmaster> ok then
[02:45] <kuzmaster> what excatly would that do?
[02:45] <LjL> i'm starting to think your router's DNS is confusing servers with each other
[02:45] <kuzmaster> maybe
[02:45] <LjL> kuzmaster: it would use 212.245.255.2 as your DNS server rather than your router's DNS server
[02:45] <kuzmaster> ummm, wats dns
[02:45] <kuzmaster> im not the best with networking
[02:45] <LjL> Domain Name Server
[02:45] <geneo91> name server
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> awe hell, get bind9 installed and change resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 :)
[02:46] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:46] <LjL> they're servers that translate hostnames (like www.google.com) into IP addressed (like 192.168.0.1)
[02:46] <kuzmaster> so change resolv.conf to 212.245.255.2?
[02:46] <LjL> yeah
[02:46] <kuzmaster> will do
[02:46] <LjL> it's only temporary anyway -- it'll be reset at next reboot
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> or when your current dhcp lease runs out.
[02:47] <LjL> hopefully not in the next 5 minutes
[02:47] <geneo91> LjL:  just got a bunch of updates maybe mirrors are being updated
[02:47] <kuzmaster> i need to do it in root, right?
[02:47] <LjL> geneo91: could be, but i tried an apt-get update right after he tried it (twice), and it worked for me
[02:47] <LjL> kuzmaster: yep
[02:47] <kuzmaster> k
[02:48] <geneo91> sudo nano >filename<
[02:48] <kuzmaster> i just go actions-> edit as root
[02:48] <kuzmaster> gui is easier for me
[02:48] <bernier> why is the video quality in kaffeine very bad? I send the same video to my friend and he has windows and it looks so nice.
[02:48] <geneo91> bernier:  use mplayer
[02:49] <bernier> geneo91 perfect thanks
[02:49] <kuzmaster> after i change my resolv.conf
[02:49] <LjL> LeeJunFan: (concerning bind9 ;-) i use "dnsmasq", it works fairly well and it's a piece of cake to configure
[02:49] <kuzmaster> do i do apt-get update again
[02:49] <LjL> kuzmaster: yep
[02:49] <kuzmaster> k
[02:50] <kuzmaster> it looks like its all working
[02:50] <kuzmaster> ill post out put
[02:50] <LjL> kuzmaster: good, then i'm rather convinced that http://www.mepis.org/node/6516 is the cause of your problems
[02:50] <kuzmaster> same
[02:51] <kuzmaster> results http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/711983
[02:51] <LjL> kuzmaster: which means you should find out your real DNS (i.e. the one of your ISP), and set it in your KDE network settings (which hopefully work better for you than for me)
[02:51] <LjL> kuzmaster: yes, it's working
[02:51] <kuzmaster> so ring my isp and get my dns
[02:51] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  i think mirrors are being updated
[02:51] <kuzmaster> yeah, well i had this problem last night
[02:52] <LjL> kuzmaster: you can probably find them on their site
[02:52] <kuzmaster> ill ring anyway, and put that in my network settings
[02:52] <kuzmaster> right?
[02:52] <LjL> yes
[02:52] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:52] <kuzmaster> ill ring now
[02:54] <LjL> geneo91: i find it very unlikely that the mirrors were being updated, it's like the 10th time i'm apt-get updating in 10 minutes and security.ubuntu.com always worked. also, his problem with sites resolving to 1.0.0.0 clearly shows there is a problem with his DNS server
[02:55] <kuzmaster> i hate being put on hold
[02:56] <kuzmaster> i found this on the website, should this be right?
[02:56] <kuzmaster> Primary: 203.21.20.20
[02:56] <kuzmaster> Secondary: 203.10.1.9
[02:56] <LjL> yes
[02:56] <kuzmaster> k
[02:57] <kuzmaster> now, how do i get into the kde network settings?
[02:57] <LjL> you only need the primary, but putting the secondary in too will certainly do no harm (and will be useful if/when the primary goes down)
[02:57] <CaBlGuY> !streamtuner
[02:57] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[02:57] <LjL> K / System Settings / Network Settings / Administrator mode / Domain Name System
[02:58] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmmm  we got anything like streamtuner we can use?
[02:58] <LjL> !info streamtuner
[02:58] <ubotu> streamtuner: (A GUI audio stream directory browser), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 0.99.99-5ubuntu6 (dapper), Packaged size: 581 kB, Installed size: 2064 kB
[02:58] <geneo91> CaBlGuY:  xmms has some plugins
[02:58] <CaBlGuY> ok, so it's available ....
[02:59] <LjL> yes it is
[02:59] <CaBlGuY> so, where do I get iut...
[02:59] <kuzmaster> do i put them into domain name servers-> add
[02:59] <LjL> kuzmaster: exactly
[02:59] <kuzmaster> and remove the one that currently in there
[02:59] <kuzmaster> thats 192.168.1.100
[02:59] <kuzmaster> that the one that currently in there
[02:59] <LjL> kuzmaster: yes. however, i fear that 192.168.1.100 will be put back automatically by DHCP :\
[02:59] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:00] <LjL> LeeJunFan: what do you think about what i said above?
[03:00] <kuzmaster> add the primary first
[03:00] <geneo91> set it to manual
[03:00] <kuzmaster> then the secodary
[03:00] <geneo91> yes
[03:00] <kuzmaster> k
[03:00] <LjL> kuzmaster: i'm not sure. just make sure the primary shows up first
[03:01] <LjL> geneo91: that'll work if his router doesn't change the IP it assigns. do DSL routers do that usually?
[03:01] <kuzmaster> then do i hit apply
[03:01] <kuzmaster> then close?
[03:01] <LjL> kuzmaster: yes, or just close
[03:01] <kuzmaster> k
[03:01] <kuzmaster> i dont need to re-start
[03:01] <geneo91> no not if noone logs in before him
[03:01] <_susana> hola
[03:01] <kuzmaster> and then do sudo apt-get update?
[03:02] <LjL> kuzmaster: you don't need to, but you'll probably want to, in order to see if the settings stay. or perhaps just do like geneo91 said and disable DHCP
[03:02] <LjL> kuzmaster: yeah, an apt-get update will show that the new DNS servers are working
[03:02] <kuzmaster> ok ill re-start
[03:02] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:02] <kuzmaster> ill do that first
[03:03] <kuzmaster> they all worked
[03:03] <kuzmaster> now ill try adept
[03:03] <CaBlGuY> Grrrrr   does Kpackage got it's own root pass or somethin???
[03:03] <rlj> has anyone experience with the ati-ixp alsa driver?
[03:03] <CaBlGuY> I'm tryin to install streamtuner through it and my root pass aint workin...
[03:03] <LjL> kuzmaster: ok, now it's your take: either reboot and see, and then go through this again if the settings are reset, or disable DHCP right now
[03:04] <LjL> CaBlGuY: you have a root password?
[03:04] <CaBlGuY> of course silly
[03:04] <CaBlGuY> ;)
[03:04] <LjL> uh... you usually *don't* have one in ubuntu
[03:04] <LjL> !root
[03:04] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:04] <CaBlGuY> well  I do..
[03:04] <geneo91> LjL:  sudo passwd root
[03:04] <CaBlGuY> maybe I'm paranoid I dunno but I like to have a pass for root..
[03:04] <LjL> well then i'm not surprised that you have trouble with adept (and whatnot) ;-)
[03:04] <kuzmaster> is the firefox in adept recomended?
[03:05] <LjL> geneo91: i know. except it's asking for trouble.
[03:05] <CaBlGuY> I know my root pass..  it's jujst not workin in Kpackage..
[03:05] <LjL> kuzmaster: of course
[03:05] <CaBlGuY> :/
[03:05] <geneo91> na i've used it since warty
[03:05] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:05] <_susana> alguien espaol
[03:05] <kuzmaster> ill fetch update first tho
[03:05] <LjL> geneo91: used to break KControl applets in Breezy, among other things
[03:05] <LjL> !es
[03:05] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:05] <CaBlGuY> LjL:  I don't have any problems with adept..  or synaptic or anything else...
[03:06] <CaBlGuY> Kpackage is the only one givvin me crap..
[03:06] <LjL> CaBlGuY: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/47741
[03:06] <geneo91> _susana: #kubuntu-es
[03:07] <kuzmaster> yay! its working
[03:07] <kuzmaster> im so happy
[03:07] <LjL> kuzmaster: you haven't rebooted yet, hold the happiness
[03:07] <LjL> :)
[03:07] <_susana> hola geneo91
[03:07] <kuzmaster> il ive just have to try and log into google talk
[03:08] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  just make sure you turn offf dhcp
[03:08] <kuzmaster> hmmmm
[03:08] <kuzmaster> if thats happens, will i have to assign ip addresses myself?
[03:08] <geneo91> LjL:  your case has to do with live cd i think
[03:09] <LjL> kuzmaster: no, you just need to use your current IP address
[03:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:09] <kuzmaster> how do i turn dhcp off
[03:09] <geneo91> just click manual
[03:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:09] <CaBlGuY> whoo hoo...  :)
[03:09] <kuzmaster> in network settings?
[03:09] <LjL> kuzmaster: it's easy. just go into the first tab ("Network interfaces") of the settings, Administrator mode, Configure Interface, Manual, type your current IP address
[03:10] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:10] <kuzmaster> ill do that after firefox installs
[03:10] <kuzmaster> nearly
[03:10] <rlj> is there a way to query an alsa driver for its output capabilities (for example what sampling frequencies it can output in and stuff like that)?
[03:10] <LjL> kuzmaster: no harm in doing it right now. nothing will happen untill you apply the new settings
[03:10] <kuzmaster> well its done now anyway
[03:10] <kuzmaster> now to dhcp
[03:11] <CaBlGuY> Yeaaa!!!   I got it..   :)
[03:11] <CaBlGuY> thanks LjL   ;)
[03:12] <LjL> kuzmaster: as an aside -- you asked whether "the firefox that's in adept" is ok to use. please keep in mind that the packages that are in the repositories are the *first thing* you should always try. only ever use "foreign" packages if you're absolutely sure they aren't in the repositories, or if you have an absolute necessity to get a different version
[03:12] <kuzmaster> for changing it to manual, i want to change ra0 (enabled wireless network device)?
[03:12] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:12] <LjL> kuzmaster: do you have other devices besides that one?
[03:12] <CaBlGuY> Very nice...  now I have my radio readily available..   ;)
[03:12] <kuzmaster> yeah
[03:12] <LjL> (i guess the answer is "yes" anyway)
[03:12] <kuzmaster> an ethanat, that i dont use
[03:12] <LjL> so it'll be ra0
[03:13] <kuzmaster> cos im to far away from the router
[03:13] <LjL> kuzmaster: do you have any other computers connected to that router?
[03:13] <kuzmaster> and i i clik the checkbox, activate when computer starts?
[03:13] <kuzmaster> yes i do
[03:13] <LjL> kuzmaster: yes
[03:13] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:13] <LjL> kuzmaster: hmm that could be a problem i suppose
[03:13] <LjL> geneo91: that could be a problem i suppose?
[03:13] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmph
[03:14] <kuzmaster> that computers uses windows media center
[03:14] <geneo91> LjL: live cd uses dhcp when booting up
[03:14] <LjL> geneo91: uh?
[03:14] <kuzmaster> ill re-start now
[03:14] <kuzmaster> cya, and brb, hopefully
[03:15] <LjL> geneo91: i'm asking whether the fact that other computers are connected to his routers can be a problem - what you said above sounded like it could
[03:15] <geneo91> well no if noone starts up before he reboots
[03:16] <geneo91> or it will warn him during boot
[03:16] <LjL> okay... but i guess he can't *always* be sure that he starts his computer before the other one is started ;)
[03:16] <LjL> that's assuming the other computer is used by somebody else in any case
[03:17] <geneo91> well he can change it anytime he needs to
[03:17] <LjL> hmm hopefully there has to be a less irritating solution
[03:17] <geneo91> i have 5 on my router
[03:17] <LjL> i'd be quite upset if i had to change my IP just about every time i logged in
[03:18] <LjL> (just like i'm a bit upset now that I have to set my DNS every time I log in.... but hopefully that one's solved now ;)
[03:18] <geneo91> well i dont shut this off to offten
[03:18] <LjL> kuzmaster: what's your DNS set to?
[03:18] <kuzmaster> ill check
[03:19] <kuzmaster> do i go into the network settings for that?
[03:19] <LjL> kuzmaster: neway, we were saying that now, if the other computer gets turned on before yours, the IP address for yours might change
[03:19] <LjL> kuzmaster: yeah, or just cat /etc/resolv.conf
[03:19] <kuzmaster> my computeris usually on first
[03:19] <LjL> kuzmaster: in that case you'd hopefully have no problems
[03:20] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  you can give yourself an addy thats going to be solid like 192.168.0.23
[03:20] <kuzmaster> the dns are the same as i entered
[03:20] <LjL> good
[03:20] <kuzmaster> i always use 19.168.1.101 for me
[03:21] <kuzmaster> and 192.168.1.102 for the media center
[03:21] <LjL> does that need to be set in the router's settings?
[03:21] <kuzmaster> dont no
[03:21] <geneo91> no
[03:21] <kuzmaster> its working for me anywat
[03:21] <kuzmaster> dont no about the other computer now
[03:21] <geneo91> router gives you range is all
[03:21] <kuzmaster> and i dont care for now
[03:22] <kuzmaster> and adept has heaps of packages
[03:22] <kuzmaster> it looks like its working
[03:22] <LjL> kuzmaster: should be about 17000
[03:22] <LjL> also, you might want to add the Multiverse repository
[03:23] <kuzmaster> ive got 18312 packages available
[03:23] <LjL> Multiverse contains packages that are free but which depend on (or often use) non-free packages, as well as some packages that are non-free themselves
[03:23] <kuzmaster> and i think i might have that
[03:23] <susana_> hola vega-
[03:23] <LjL> i have 18810
[03:23] <kuzmaster> dont no
[03:23] <LjL> !multiverse
[03:23] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[03:24] <kuzmaster> thats what i want
[03:24] <kuzmaster> thanx
[03:24] <LjL> shortcut: just add "multiverse" after every "universe" in your sources.list
[03:24] <kuzmaster> but before i do that ill go
[03:24] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[03:24] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:24] <kuzmaster> what the differnce between ad/remove progams and adept?
[03:24] <LjL> well i'll reboot too, and see if my DNS is finally staying
[03:25] <LjL> kuzmaster: add/remove programs is simpler and offers a smaller selection of packages
[03:25] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:25] <LjL> though i think add/remove actually *is* adept, just run with some special parameters (not sure tho)
[03:25] <LjL> myself, i use aptitude
[03:26] <LjL> it's command-line only, but it's more convenient
[03:26] <CaBlGuY> ok, im out for a bit..  l8r peeps..  o/
[03:27] <kuzmaster> now i have to wait for the updater to finish
[03:29] <kuzmaster> is it possible to change the icon for the firefox windows
[03:29] <kuzmaster> to the icon that i has in windows and mac?
[03:29] <kuzmaster> it has**
[03:29] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  its possible but lots of work
[03:30] <kuzmaster> hmmmmph
[03:30] <kuzmaster> is there a easy way?
[03:30] <geneo91> no
[03:30] <kuzmaster> *grunts
[03:30] <geneo91> i'd be very hard to explian here
[03:31] <kuzmaster> k, never mind then
[03:31] <kuzmaster> what is skim?
[03:31] <kuzmaster> input method platform?
[03:31] <kuzmaster> it under utilities
[03:31] <CaptainMorgan> how do I enable my scroll button on my trackpad? worked in Breezy but I forgot to back up that file.... xsources? xlist?
[03:32] <kuzmaster> is imbrandon here?
[03:32] <kuzmaster> or iambrandon
[03:33] <geneo91> yes
[03:33] <kuzmaster> k
[03:33] <kuzmaster> cos i want his royal kde theme
[03:33] <imbrandon> CaptainMorgan, /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:33] <kuzmaster> he made one
[03:34] <kuzmaster> imbrandon, can you please give me the link to your royall theme
[03:34] <kuzmaster> for kde
[03:34] <imbrandon> kuzmaster, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/theme/royale/
[03:34] <kuzmaster> thnaks
[03:34] <imbrandon> np
[03:35] <imbrandon> and to cahnge the firefox icon just call your new icon firefox.png and put it in /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:36] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:36] <kuzmaster> i can change the icon to display in the applications menu and quick launch
[03:36] <imbrandon> it will change it everywhere
[03:36] <imbrandon> if yo do that
[03:36] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:36] <CaptainMorgan> imbrandon thanks
[03:37] <imbrandon> CaptainMorgan, np
[03:38] <kuzmaster> imbrandon, after ive downloaded those 2 .deb files, what do i do with them
[03:38] <imbrandon> folow what it says on my howto ;)
[03:39] <imbrandon> brb
[03:39] <kuzmaster> *grunts* ok
[03:39] <Hawkwind> !root
[03:39] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:40] <Kr> how can i boot straight to the console without starting X other then using recovery mode?
[03:40] <kuzmaster> the updates are taking for ever
[03:40] <kuzmaster> i think you need to set runlevel to somthing lower then it currently is
[03:41] <kuzmaster> cant remember
[03:41] <imbrandon> Kr, all the time or just one time ?
[03:41] <wonbond> how can i boot straight to the console without starting X other then using recovery mode?
[03:41] <kuzmaster> i had the reverse problem as you, it would start in console, and wouldnt go into x
[03:41] <wonbond> imbrandon: just one time
[03:42] <imbrandon> winbond just kill x from a teminal then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[03:42] <geneo91> wonbond:  try ctrl alt f1
[03:42] <wonbond> geneo91: from whaere?
[03:42] <wonbond> geneo91: where?
[03:42] <imbrandon> anywhere
[03:43] <imbrandon> ctl + alt + f1
[03:43] <geneo91> from the keyboard
[03:43] <wonbond> geneo91: i mean during bootup
[03:43] <imbrandon> wonbond, after x starts kill it via kdm stop OR edit your runtimes but i wouldent reomend doing that
[03:43] <wonbond> geneo91: will this work during bootup?
[03:44] <geneo91> no
[03:44] <imbrandon> wonbond, why do you not want x to start just one time ?
[03:44] <wonbond> geneo91: because i have x problem , and when it boots it crashes
[03:44] <geneo91> prooly want to do something stupid
[03:44] <wonbond> i need to get to console before x loads
[03:44] <kuzmaster> brb
[03:44] <imbrandon> wonbond, boot into single user mode
[03:44] <imbrandon> and fix x then reboot
[03:44] <imbrandon> thats what its for
[03:45] <wonbond> imbrandon: i didnt see any single user modes ...??
[03:45] <imbrandon> wonbond, recovery mode AKA single user mode
[03:45] <geneo91> hit space bar at grub start
[03:46] <wonbond> imbrandon: recovery mode boots as root, and i need to be as a user not a root
[03:46] <imbrandon> wonbond,  why ?
[03:46] <imbrandon> wonbond, i'm tryiong to help you here , i think your going about this wrong, tell me your problem ....
[03:47] <geneo91> thats not going to fix xserver as user
[03:47] <wonbond> because when i install stuff as root , i cant access it later as a user , and i dont know which permitions to change to make it work
[03:47] <imbrandon> wonbond, what are you installing
[03:47] <geneo91> are u using kubuntu
[03:48] <wonbond> imbrandon: the fglrx driver , i installed it as root and i cant login to kde as user , i just lose vide signal when trying to log in
[03:48] <imbrandon> wonbond, that is something wrong with the driver then becouse you always have to set it up as root
[03:49] <imbrandon> what do you mean "loose signal" ?
[03:49] <geneo91> wonbond: the you need to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:49] <imbrandon> yea
[03:49] <wonbond> imbrandon: yes , it works when i set it up as sudo , but not from root
[03:49] <imbrandon> wonbond, sudo and root are the same thing
[03:50] <wonbond> geneo91: did that about 10 times already
[03:50] <imbrandon> wonbond, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <imbrandon> wonbond, then obviously a setting you are choosing is wrong
[03:50] <geneo91> maybe your card aint supported
[03:50] <imbrandon> if it dosent work
[03:50] <imbrandon> did you restrt x after each time you did that ?
[03:51] <wonbond> every time i restart xserver i lose video signal
[03:51] <wonbond> but when startx as root it works fine
[03:51] <imbrandon> then you are chooseing a wrong setting in reconfigure, OR your vid card is not supported by that driver
[03:52] <EvilIdler> You wouldn't happen to be trying glx oof some sort, wonbond ?
[03:52] <wonbond> its x850 , its supported , and the setup of the xserver is too simple to mess up
[03:52] <geneo91> wonbond:  i doubt your using ubuntu then
[03:52] <imbrandon> wonbond, did you enable the root account or somethnig ?
[03:52] <EvilIdler> "X: Enough rope."
[03:52] <wonbond> im using kubuntu 64bit,
[03:53] <imbrandon> wonbond, did you enable the root account or somethnig ?
[03:53] <wonbond> im using standard fglrx from apt-get
[03:53] <wonbond> no i boot as root in the recovery mode
[03:53] <RawSewage> Am I doing something wrong.  I've been applying the spam filter for days now, and it hasnt filtered one spam
[03:53] <imbrandon> that isnt the same config
[03:54] <imbrandon> RawSewage, with what ?
[03:54] <RawSewage> Bogofilter / Kontact mail
[03:54] <geneo91> RawSewage:  have you marked them as spam
[03:54] <imbrandon> it takes time to learn
[03:54] <RawSewage> I right click them, apply filter, as Spam
[03:54] <RawSewage> Right?
[03:54] <EvilIdler> Skynet wasn't build in a day, you know ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> no
[03:54] <imbrandon> RawSewage, mark them as spam ( button at top )
[03:54] <imbrandon> then apply filter
[03:55] <wonbond> so which config are you talking about?
[03:55] <RawSewage> If you right click it, it says Apply Filter -> Filter classify as spam
[03:55] <imbrandon> ahh yes
[03:55] <RawSewage> same thing?
[03:55] <imbrandon> RawSewage, it takes days to learn
[03:55] <imbrandon> yes
[03:55] <RawSewage> ok
[03:56] <EvilIdler> I have to say Thunderbird's junk filter seems faster
[03:56] <EvilIdler> A bit overzealous, but still
[03:57] <RawSewage> Im not impatient, I just wanted to know if it was going to work
[03:57] <RawSewage> or if I was wasting my time
[03:57] <RawSewage> I get hundreds of spam a day
[03:57] <wonbond> geneo91:
[03:57] <wonbond> so , which configs
[03:57] <geneo91> i dont use ati junk
[03:58] <wonbond> imbrandon:
[03:58] <geneo91> sorry dont know enough about them never had one
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> wonbond: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[03:59] <wonbond> CheeseBurgerMan: i have that printed out , its what i used
[03:59] <Healot> ATi cards are no junk man...
[03:59] <geneo91> ha
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> wonbond: Oh. It worked for me.
[04:00] <wonbond> kubunu64bit with x850?
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> No, Ive got the x200m
[04:02] <wonbond> CheeseBurgerMan: it worked for me too on 32bit , on 64 it works too , but only for the root account
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Weird, Sound like it may be a permissions problem, although what permissions to change I'm not quite sure.
[04:05] <geneo91> wonbond:  maybe go yo main channel and ask
[04:05] <wonbond> any other video configs i can configure besides xorg.cong?
[04:05] <wonbond> f
[04:05] <Healot> for Xorg - xorg.conf the only file you work with
[04:06] <wonbond> im just gonna reinstall, but i need to figure out how to get to command before the x loads as a user not as root
[04:06] <RawSewage> Why wont my screensaver start after the interval of inactivity
[04:07] <RawSewage> something got broke
[04:07] <RawSewage> !screensaver
[04:07] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, RawSewage
[04:07] <geneo91> wonbond:  just change to xorg driver
[04:08] <EvilIdler> wonbond: While installing the fglrx driver, were there any questions about OpenGL ICD permissions?
[04:08] <wonbond> the fglrx is the only driver that will work with this card
[04:08] <wonbond> the default kubuntu driver doesnt support my card
[04:08] <geneo91> what did u use before you installed the bad one
[04:08] <wonbond> nothing , thats the thing
[04:09] <geneo91> did you update kernel
[04:09] <wonbond> it didnt work before that either
[04:09] <wonbond> EvilIdler: no i didnt see anything about permissions
[04:09] <geneo91> there was a round of updates that just came around
[04:10] <wonbond> yup , i enabled all the default repos and did apt-get update and upgrade
[04:11] <geneo91> well get the driver from ati and use that then
[04:11] <wonbond> then id have to recompile the kernel ,
[04:12] <kuzmaster> back
[04:12] <wonbond> and i dont think i can do that yet
[04:12] <geneo91> no just need kernel-source
[04:12] <EvilIdler> wonbond: Do you have a pastebin link of your xorg.conf?
[04:12] <geneo91> it only does that module
[04:13] <wonbond> ill make it , in a sec
[04:15] <kuzmaster> has anyone here used google talk with wine before?
[04:15] <EvilIdler> Isn't Google Talk just Jabber?
[04:15] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[04:15] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:15] <kuzmaster> yeah
[04:15] <wonbond> ok , here is the xorg conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15790
[04:15] <kuzmaster> but i want google talk cos of the voip
[04:15] <geneo91> you can use jabber in gaim or kopete
[04:16] <kuzmaster> yeah but i want google talk cos of the voip
[04:16] <EvilIdler> wonbond: I don't see a module "dri" in your "Files" section
[04:17] <EvilIdler> I know every working ATI config I've seen uses it
[04:17] <EvilIdler> Section "DRI" won't apply unless you add that module
[04:17] <wonbond> EvilIdler:i think i have one with that in it , let me check , but it didnt work either
[04:18] <kuzmaster> what is bazzar?
[04:18] <excess> hey i got a question, i cant install firefox for some reason after it like crashed
[04:18] <excess> could someone msg me ill send you the terminal error and shit
[04:18] <excess> :(
[04:19] <wonbond> EvilIdler: yes i have it in my last backup , load "dri"   , that one didnt work either
[04:20] <EvilIdler> wonbond: And mode 0666 in the DRI section?
[04:20] <kuzmaster> is there a gui version of wine?
[04:21] <geneo91> xwine
[04:21] <kuzmaster> thanx
[04:21] <kuzmaster> do i need to install wine beforehand?
[04:21] <geneo91> no
[04:21] <kuzmaster> k
[04:21] <kuzmaster> so only install xwine?
[04:21] <wonbond> EvilIdler: ok there is no link to dri in the files section just load module dri  , and the 0666 is at the end of the file only
[04:22] <Snake> UGH
[04:22] <excess> `someone help? i cant get firefox working:
[04:22] <excess> `Replaced by files in installed package libnss3 ...
[04:22] <excess> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-0ubuntu6.06_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:22] <excess>  unable to create `./usr/lib/firefox/libgfxpsshar.so': No such file or directory
[04:22] <Snake> why cant I get off the stupid mesa drivers
[04:23] <wonbond> EvilIdler: ok, so there is load dri module and 0666 mode in the dri section , thats all about dri , that config didnt work
[04:23] <EvilIdler> wonbond: Everything seems alright in the xorg.conf, then :/
[04:24] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Ping
[04:24] <EvilIdler> wonbond: That would be the recommended config to actually allow 3D, but 2D should still work regardless of that
[04:25] <wonbond> EvilIdler: what happens is i enter the password , it starts to load then it loads something and kicks me back out to password , if i try to log in the second time i lose the video output
[04:25] <geneo91> wonbond:  does that card have more than one output
[04:26] <kuzmaster> after doing apt-get update after getting a source.list from source-o-matic, i got this error
[04:26] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712105
[04:26] <kuzmaster> anyhelp?
[04:26] <EvilIdler> wonbond: I had similar problems once, but with NVidia. Older kernels were my only options then :/
[04:26] <kuzmaster> ill paste my sources.list as well
[04:26] <wonbond> geneo91: yes , vga and digital , im using digital
[04:27] <kuzmaster> heres my sources.list http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712108
[04:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> kuzmaster: Try running 'wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[04:27] <kuzmaster> so put 'wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg' into konsole
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah.
[04:28] <kuzmaster> k
[04:28] <wonbond> EvilIdler: do you know how to uninstall and purge fglrx?
[04:28] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, pong
[04:28] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Just checkking the royal theme that you posted earlier
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Still up?
[04:29] <geneo91> wonbond:  apt-get remove --purge package name
[04:29] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, yea
[04:29] <DaSkreech> I assum you spelt it wrong then? :-)
[04:30] <wonbond> geneo91: ty
[04:30] <DaSkreech> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/theme/royale/
[04:30] <kuzmaster> are the sources that there missing needed?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> buntudot.org?
[04:30] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, comes up fine for me
[04:30] <kuzmaster> are the sources that are missing needed**
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm strange
[04:31] <DaSkreech> I'll try again in a few minutes
[04:31] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, buntudot.org is a domain i run
[04:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Aaaagh!!
[04:33] <kuzmaster> i cant find xwine in adept
[04:33] <kuzmaster> help?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> What is this burning sensation of the eyes!??!
[04:33] <wonbond> thanks all , im gonna keep messing with it , the newb style
[04:33] <kuzmaster> where is xwine?
[04:33] <imbrandon> kuzmaster, there probbly isnt a package named xwine , might try winex or wine
[04:34] <kuzmaster> ok
[04:36] <Healot> !info winex
[04:38] <_redondos> hola
[04:38] <_redondos> hi
[04:38] <geneo91> your break is over ubotu
[04:39] <_redondos> has anyone made work wine on Kubuntu ?
[04:40] <RawSewage> ?
[04:40] <RawSewage> Wine works on Kubuntu
[04:40] <_redondos> yes...
[04:40] <_redondos> I installed it
[04:41] <_redondos> but...
[04:41] <geneo91> wine has nothing to do with wm
[04:41] <kuzmaster> can somone give me a link for the settings for google talk for kopete?
[04:41] <_redondos> it works well... on common programs
[04:41] <_redondos> but I can't play Age Conquerors
[04:41] <geneo91> you login as your gmail account in jabber
[04:42] <_redondos> with isn't a complex application for wine...
[04:42] <kuzmaster> wats the server name?
[04:43] <_redondos> on Age conquerors it ask me for the cd...
[04:43] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  that i dont remember
[04:43] <kuzmaster> k
[04:43] <geneo91> it tell you on google
[04:44] <_redondos> ok, thanks
[04:44] <_redondos> bye
[04:47] <geneo91> server gmail.com
[04:49] <KuLover> my toolbar crashed can dissapeard, how can i open it again?
[04:49] <KuLover> and*
[04:49] <RawSewage> I think this update removed all my Konqueror shortcuts
[04:49] <RawSewage> for Search
[04:50] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  it says skype might work
[04:51] <RandomDude15> is it an FX5200 legacy or not legacy?
[04:51] <RandomDude15> *is an FX5200
[04:52] <geneo91> agp or pci
[04:52] <KuLover> My toolbar has dissapeard. What can I do to get it back?
[04:52] <RandomDude15> AGP
[04:52] <geneo91> not legacy
[04:52] <RawSewage> What toolbar
[04:52] <KuLover> The Main KDE one.
[04:52] <RandomDude15> how do I get nvidia drivers running in kubuntu 6.06?
[04:53] <RawSewage> Try adding a new applet to it
[04:53] <RawSewage> Everything in the toolbar is an applet
[04:53] <kuzmaster> geneo91, what, skype?
[04:53] <KuLover> How do I do that? Its dissapeared..
[04:53] <kuzmaster> geneo91, could skype and google talk work with wine?
[04:53] <geneo91> nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:53] <CaptainMorgan>  possible to get forward/backward buttons to work on a thinkpad?
[04:53] <CaptainMorgan> for browsing...
[04:53] <imbrandon> skype has a native linux version and any jabber client will work with gtalk
[04:54] <DaSkreech> KuLover: Which one? the File menu one?
[04:54] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  skype sould work with linux by itself
[04:54] <KuLover> DaSkreech, Which toolbar? The Main KDE one.
[04:54] <DaSkreech> The KDE panel?
[04:54] <kuzmaster> ohhhh
[04:54] <DaSkreech> you mean the kicker?
[04:54] <kuzmaster> thanx
[04:55] <kuzmaster> ill look into it
[04:55] <KuLover> Yes, DaSkreech
[04:55] <kuzmaster> but google talk would be best
[04:55] <geneo91> should be in the repos
[04:55] <geneo91> kuzmaster:  its comming
[04:55] <DaSkreech> KuLover: What happened?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Packed up the suitcase andleft?
[04:56] <KuLover> Its dissapeard.
[04:56] <KuLover> Got it back!, I just Alt-F2ed kicker
[04:56] <kuzmaster> wats comming?
[04:57] <geneo91> google talk for linux
[04:57] <RandomDude15> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197542
[04:57] <kuzmaster> ohhhh, thanx
[04:57] <RandomDude15> my xorg.conf file is posted there
[04:57] <geneo91> the guy that did gaim is working on it
[04:58] <simlu> hi!
[04:58] <simlu> I need help with my localhost
[04:59] <geneo91> gn all
[04:59] <simlu> my localhost (127.0.0.1) doesn't seem to work
[05:00] <simlu> does anybody can help me with that?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:01] <kuzmaster> how do i open a .exe with wine?
[05:02] <egon_spengler> simlu: What exactly do you mean, your localhost "doesn't work?"
[05:02] <kuzmaster> is there a way without using konsole?
[05:02] <simlu> egon - well if I ping localhost, I get no reply
[05:02] <kuzmaster> is there?
[05:03] <RandomDude15> I need help
[05:03] <RandomDude15> with my game performance
[05:03] <gobbe> kuzmaster: why not use konsole?
[05:04] <egon_spengler> What do you have listed in /etc/hosts for localhost?
[05:04] <egon_spengler> simlu:
[05:04] <kuzmaster> cos its easier without it
[05:04] <kuzmaster> but anyway, i figured out how without kobsole
[05:04] <kuzmaster> konsole**
[05:04] <gobbe> kuzmaster, working with the text-based consoles are the basic stuff that every linux-users should know
[05:05] <kuzmaster> now im trying to log into google talk via wine
[05:05] <kuzmaster> its not working
[05:05] <gobbe> isn't kopete supporting googletalk?
[05:05] <kuzmaster> dont no
[05:05] <simlu> egon - 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu
[05:05] <kuzmaster> it isnt in the list of types of accounts
[05:06] <egon_spengler> simlu: Do you have a firewall of some sort enabled?
[05:06] <simlu> egon - no I don't think so
[05:09] <gobbe> kuzmaster, didn't you try to google for googletalk support at linux? i found several pages showing way to use kopeta with googletalk
[05:09] <egon_spengler> simlu: So, you have no response or error message when command ping 127.0.0.1, ping ubuntu, or ping localhost is given in console?
[05:09] <simlu> egon - no response, no error message
[05:10] <egon_spengler> simlu: To all three variations on localhost? Ping by ip, ping by localhost and ping by hostname?
[05:10] <simlu> egon - yes, by ip it works
[05:10] <CaptainMorgan> I used xev to make sure buttons are actually recognized and they're responding to xev.... .
[05:10] <simlu> egon - but not localhost nor hostname
[05:11] <egon_spengler> simlu: Then sounds like /etc/resolv.conf is not setup properly
[05:11] <simlu> egon - i'm using a wireless card, I don't know if it can help
[05:11] <gobbe> egon_spengler, resolv.conf doesn't affect if you have localhost at hosts
[05:12] <RawSewage> Why did all my Konqueror shortcuts disappear
[05:12] <RawSewage> for Search
[05:12] <gobbe> simlu, is ping to 127.0.0.1 working or is just a 'real' ip working?
[05:12] <RawSewage> And it wont let me make new ones anymore
[05:12] <RawSewage> This happened after the update
[05:12] <Err1> Yay! I am in the room!
[05:12] <simlu> gobbe - just a real ip works
[05:13] <gobbe> simlu, do you have interface 'lo'?
[05:13] <Err1> So now that I'm here, does anyone wanna tell me why I can't connect to my wireless network when I boot into kubuntu dapper?
[05:13] <simlu> gobbe - yes, if I do ifconfig I can see it
[05:13] <gobbe> Err1, well well...can you connect to it after booting?
[05:13] <gobbe> simlu, and it has ip 127.0.0.1?
[05:13] <imbrandon> Err1 if you gave more details someone might be able to
[05:14] <simlu> gobbe - no
[05:14] <gobbe> simlu, wellwell..that might be the reason :)
[05:14] <RawSewage> Why cant I add new Konqueror Search
[05:14] <simlu> gobbe - sit0 has 127.0.0.1 though
[05:14] <gobbe> ok
[05:14] <arb> stupid question, ive downloaded my first .deb file, ive tried a bunch of arguments, but im not sure what im missing. Trying to install an ubuntu version of jahshaka, and it came as a .deb file. worked out i gotta do something with the dpkg-deb command, just not sure how
[05:14] <gobbe> then it should not be the reason
[05:14] <RawSewage> I make a new one, enter the URL, click APPLY, then I come back, and the URL has disappeared
[05:14] <gobbe> arb, man dpkg?-)
[05:15] <RawSewage> Where is the file that stores Konqueror Search plugins
[05:15] <Err1> That is an excellent idea. I am using a pc with a wireless pci card installed which works fine with windows, and seems to be noticed with linux as well. My wireless router is set to either 32 or 64 bit encryption I believe.
[05:16] <gobbe> Err1, and did you setup encryption things?-)
[05:16] <Err1> Yep, 64 bit with four hex keys and "open system authentication" Whatever that bit means.
[05:16] <gobbe> what is the wlan card that you are using?
[05:16] <RawSewage> nm
[05:16] <Err1> Zonenet something or other. Just a second and I'll read the box for a sn.
[05:17] <Err1> Zonenet Wireless pci lan adapter model no. ZEW1601
[05:18] <Err1> Is it possible that my linux doesn't support encryption out of the box and that I need to download a package or two to fix this?
[05:18] <simlu> gobbe - do you have any clues for me? :)
[05:20] <gobbe> simlu, hmm.. not at the moment, you could also try to configure lo to 127.0.0.1
[05:20] <gobbe> simlu, and try to see if that could help you
[05:20] <simlu> gobbe - how?
[05:21] <Err1> BRB
[05:22] <gobbe> simlu, ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1?
[05:24] <Err1> Back.
[05:24] <Err1> What else can I tell you guys about my setup that will help define the problem?
[05:26] <lime4x4> well i found my problem with downloading from the repositories and ending up with gzip errors..It was my smoothwall with dansgaurdian blocking certain repositories i added ubuntu.com to the exception list
[05:26] <crimsun_> excellent.
[05:26] <Err1> Nice.
[05:27] <robnyc> im on kubuntu livecd
[05:27] <Err1> Yay!
[05:27] <robnyc> and i still dont have colors on my xchat , view > tree  (Channel color status)
[05:29] <Err1> So how exactly does one normally set up a wlan on kubuntu to use 64 bit encryption
[05:29] <lime4x4> just thought i'd pass that little bit of info along..I found it weird cause some repositories would download and some wouldn't place i spent alot of time on ubuntu.com site..But then i was thinking cause this started a week ago and that's about the time i upgraded my ipcop to smoothwall
[05:30] <lime4x4> plus my ubuntu box was doing the samething
[05:30] <gobbe> Err1, are you sure that your card works with linux without using ndiswrapper&windows drivers?
[05:32] <Healot> !wifi
[05:32] <ubotu> it has been said that wifi is a term to describe wireless networks (also known as 802.11a/b/g/n). For help getting it set up in Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:34] <Arclite2> I'm having trouble with a recent installation of Kubuntu Dapper.
[05:35] <Arclite2> I installed it from the alternate CD, and it installed fine, but fails at boot. It goes through a seemingly normal boot sequence (graphical load works fine, everything 'ok').
[05:35] <Arclite2> But then it goes to another graphical load screen. kubuntu logo, progress bar. But nothing,.
[05:36] <Arclite2> If I leave it long enough, I get "restarting system log".
[05:36] <Arclite2> But nothing else.
[05:36] <Arclite2> Left it a day or two, and all I got different was "Running anac(h)ronistic task: cron".
[05:37] <dr_willis>  Left it a day or two?
[05:37] <dr_willis> wow you are patient
[05:37] <Arclite2> Yeah.
[05:37] <Arclite2> It's not a daily use machine, it's a music server.
[05:37] <Arclite2> But we have backups.
[05:39] <Arclite> I've run GNOME Hoary, and both KDE and GNOME Breezy on this machine, but this installation, nothing.
[05:39] <Healot> !usplash
[05:39] <ubotu> usplash is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[05:39] <dr_willis> id boot to the console and try startx and recheck the x logs and so forth.
[05:39] <err1> Okay, so like I was saying, anyone know what's up with my connection to my wlan
[05:39] <Hobbsee> err1: what type of card?
[05:40] <err1> zonenet pci wlan card model no. zew 1601
[05:40] <Healot> !hardware
[05:40] <ubotu> from memory, hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[05:41] <err1> I'm pretty sure it's not the hardware.
[05:41] <err1> But I'll check that. Thank you.
[05:42] <CaptainMorgan> anyone familiar wth keymappping?
[05:43] <err1> What does supports network install mean?
[05:43] <err1> Okay, nm.
[05:43] <err1> Duh.
[05:43] <Healot> err1: read the entry of PCi card [05:43] <Healot> 4th
[05:44] <err1> Supported in installed system, yes. Works out of the box, no.
[05:44] <Healot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo << here the one you should look for
[05:44] <err1> You guys are always so helpful. Thanks.
[05:45] <orient2000> Is there any DVD ripper for Ubuntu?
[05:45] <Healot> first
[05:45] <Healot> It is always the hardware... second the module/kernel, then the configuration :)
[05:45] <Arclite> !console
[05:45] <ubotu> Arclite: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:45] <orient2000> Sorr y, ripper for Kubuntu.
[05:45] <Arclite> Heh.
[05:46] <defrysk> !cli
[05:46] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:46] <Healot> !dvd
[05:46] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[05:49] <err1> Okay, that looks like it is custom made for me. Thanks again. I'm gonna reboot. Bye.
[05:50] <Snake> where are grubs files held? I need the one that holds the list of the OS
[05:50] <dr_willis>  - /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:50] <dr_willis> is where the menu is defined at.
[05:50] <Snake> dr_willis: thanks
[05:50] <dr_willis> BACKUP that file befor editing it. :P
[05:50] <dr_willis> and read the comments closely. lol
[05:50] <Snake> Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:50] <Snake> :-P
[05:51] <Snake> dr_willis: I just got to delete a section out of it
[05:51] <dr_willis> and of course rember - grub starts counting at zero
[05:55] <Healot> but Count Dracula counts backward, heh
[05:55] <kuzmaster> hello all
[05:55] <kuzmaster> im back
[05:55] <kuzmaster> how can i add another hard drive to my computer, and linux still boots
[05:56] <kuzmaster> becuase when i add another as slave, it just says 'cant mount filesystem' or somthing
[05:56] <kuzmaster> it says that it cant mount somthing
[05:56] <dr_willis> grub is 'renumbering' the drives and  also hda hdb hdc and so on may also change
[05:57] <kuzmaster> but when i take that drive out, so i only have the kubuntu drive in, it works flawlessly
[05:57] <dr_willis> if you are booting off of hda, (the first hd) you should have no problems.. if you put a new drive befor that. you may have problems
[05:57] <kuzmaster> ok then, how can i fix that
[05:57] <dr_willis> put the new hd on the secondary ide channel as a master - would be what i would do.
[05:57] <dr_willis> or as a slave there.
[05:57] <kuzmaster> but i want to add 2 others
[05:58] <dr_willis> then you need to find out what hd you are booting off of. if its not hda - you will have to do some altering of the config files.
[05:58] <kuzmaster> ok.....
[05:58] <kuzmaster> it boots into grub
[05:58] <dr_willis> also rember grub 'names' drives a little diffently then hda hdb hdc and so on.
[05:58] <kuzmaster> ok
[05:59] <dr_willis> its  like hd(0,0) and hd(1,0) and so forth.
[05:59] <kuzmaster> ok.......
[05:59] <dr_willis> and always rember grub starts counting at 0
[05:59] <kuzmaster> so the drive that im now (the only drive currently in the computer) would be hd(0,0)
[05:59] <kuzmaster> or hda(0,0)
[06:00] <dr_willis> it MAY be.. hd(0,0)
[06:00] <kuzmaster> ok
[06:00] <dr_willis> try a 'fdisk -l' and see what it is.
[06:00] <dr_willis> or 'mount' and see where / is mounted
[06:00] <Healot> nah, it's really depends on the mappings in devices.map
[06:00] <kuzmaster> so fdisk -l in konsole?
[06:00] <dr_willis> actually ' sudo fdisk -l '
[06:00] <dr_willis> :)
[06:00] <Healot> prepend "sudo" >> the boss of fake us
[06:01] <kuzmaster> yeah i did that
[06:01] <kuzmaster> ill make a map of how i want my layout to be
[06:02] <kuzmaster> this is my output of fdisk -l
[06:02] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712195
[06:04] <Healot> why can't I see your password hehe
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Healot: heh :P
[06:07] <kuzmaster> there, ill upload it now
[06:07] <Healot> the password?
[06:08] <kuzmaster> there
[06:08] <kuzmaster> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1612/disklayout5pw.jpg
[06:08] <kuzmaster> it diddnt turn out good quality
[06:08] <kuzmaster> hope you can understand in
[06:08] <Healot> BAD
[06:09] <kuzmaster> lol
[06:09] <kuzmaster> i mite do it again
[06:09] <Healot> mark the IDE too...
[06:09] <kuzmaster> k
[06:10] <dr_willis> having xp on the slave drive - may cause some issues.
[06:10] <junior_> hello !
[06:10] <dr_willis> unless you installed xp to that drive where it was at.
[06:10] <junior_> does anyone know where I can get Kynaptic for Kubuntu ?
[06:11] <kuzmaster> i could have xp as master, but i still want to boot straight into kubuntu
[06:11] <defrysk> junior_, try adept
[06:11] <dr_willis> kuzmaster,  you can have xp as a primary master and boot stragiht to linux from the grub menus easially enough
[06:12] <dr_willis> My Motherboard I got - i can hit F11 and pick what hd to boot . I dont even need grub on my XP drive.
[06:12] <Healot> a Phoenix BIOS?
[06:15] <junior_> I can't find Kynaptic !  :-(
[06:15] <kuzmaster> there
[06:15] <dr_willis> never heard oif it junior_
[06:16] <junior_> it is a package manager for Kubuntu. the KDE version of Synaptic.
[06:16] <kuzmaster> http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7812/disk1rx.jpg
[06:16] <Healot> junior_: "dapper" universe repos
[06:16] <kuzmaster> is it possible to have that layout?
[06:16] <Healot> !info kynaptic
[06:17] <Child4Christ> i installed java like the wiki said but my P2P client says its not installed, any ideas?
[06:17] <CaptainMorgan> can anyone help configure special keys ?
[06:17] <kuzmaster> i cant hit F11 to, but i want it to boot straight into kubuntu
[06:17] <CaptainMorgan> having a bitch of a time....
[06:17] <kuzmaster> any help?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[06:17] <ubotu> [pbuilder]  a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:17] <Healot> kuzmaster: possible
[06:17] <kuzmaster> how then
[06:18] <kuzmaster> i have set it up like that
[06:18] <kuzmaster> but it says that it cant mount somthing
[06:18] <Healot> from which disk you set the BIOS to from first?
[06:18] <kuzmaster> ummmm, kubuntu i think
[06:18] <kuzmaster> it would boot into grub
[06:18] <dr_willis> kuzmaster,  just set the boot loader to default to linux.    if your lkinux drive is hda, adding other drives shouldent be messing things up. Unless you got some jumbers wrong.
[06:18] <dr_willis> I tend to just use 'cable select' setting on my hd's
[06:19] <tsume> so, how is the stability of the builds for dapper?
[06:19] <kuzmaster> i have cable select on the bottom hard drive channell
[06:19] <tsume> not bug infested like SuSE's I hope :)
[06:19] <dr_willis> kuzmaster,  you are using the terms 'boot into grub' wrong.. grub is the mbr/boot loader. if it fails to find the proper files - it will just go to the grub shell.
[06:19] <kuzmaster> well, grub starts
[06:20] <kuzmaster> but when it cant go much further
[06:20] <dr_willis> it pays to read up on how grub works and how the system boots. :)    sounds to me like you may have some drive conflict/issues
[06:20] <kuzmaster> hmmmmph
[06:20] <kuzmaster> i hate 'reading up'
[06:20] <dr_willis> then give up on linux.
[06:20] <kuzmaster> brb
[06:20] <kuzmaster> lol
[06:20] <dr_willis> and comptuers :P
[06:20] <dr_willis> and .. well.. anything thats worth learning
[06:20] <Healot> !grub
[06:20] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:20] <Healot> !scrub
[06:20] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Healot
[06:21] <tsume> my users don't need to read up. I'm converting them to linux and gthey get it ;)
[06:21] <dr_willis> tsume,  and they will Beg for more!
[06:21] <tsume> so, back to my question, how stable are the KDE builds for ubuntu?
[06:21] <dr_willis> tsume,  ive had no problems with them
[06:21] <tsume> dr_willis: any context menu or bug type crashes when doing nonintuitive tasks?
[06:21] <dr_willis> tsume,  none thta i have heard of
[06:22] <dr_willis> not sure about that kde4's state of useability however.
[06:22] <tsume> dr_willis: does kmail support exchange, that I haven't tried before, and don't have a kmail install handy.
[06:23] <tsume> right now I've one user on evolution, and she brought up to my attention several flaws in its deisng
[06:23] <dr_willis> i rarely use any mail other then linuxmail.org :P
[06:23] <tsume> so I'm looking at alternatives
[06:23] <tsume> evolution is too emcumbered in Novell, sadly
[06:24] <tsume> the "send options" are only for Groupwise (a novell client) ;( its sad
[06:24] <tsume> *a novell solution
[06:24] <dr_willis> Im not an email addict :P i perhaps send 2 emails a month.
[06:24] <tsume> dr_willis: hehe
[06:25] <tsume> dr_willis: are there any unofficial KDE builds for dapper?
[06:25] <Child4Christ> says theres no java in /usr/lib /usr/java an /opt so according to this, i have no java :|
[06:25] <dr_willis> My silly brother in law - FINIALLY quit mass mailing everyont in the faimly all these lame  Jokes and  spam-list things.
[06:25] <tsume> dr_willis: hehe
[06:25] <dr_willis> "Thank you in law - you just replied all and sent all our names to some spammer, note the increase in junk mail..'
[06:26] <tsume> dr_willis: I've had one of those..
[06:27] <dr_willis> I am slowly getting everyone trained..
[06:27] <dr_willis> #1 - use firefox, #2 - dont use outlook express.. #3 - better yet use 3 diffrent free email web accounts..
[06:36] <Child4Christ> wont verify on the site either :/
[06:36] <Child4Christ> is it the jre thats on the wiki?
[06:39] <Healot> th JDK...
[06:39] <james_xxx> would a P3 @ 900Mhz and 512 MB ram be able to run kubuntu well???
[06:40] <TheHighChild> james_xxx:  Yeah
[06:40] <james_xxx> sweet
[06:40] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: I was talking wtih a guy last night running it on a p3 400 mhz with 192
[06:40] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: I wouldn'
[06:40] <james_xxx> how about an AMD k6-2 @ 500Mhz with 320MB ram?
[06:40] <james_xxx> cool
[06:40] <TheHighChild> t say it will run great but it will run, there are some tweaks you might be able to make
[06:41] <dr_willis> Ive ran kubuntu/ubuntu on a pent100 laptop.
[06:41] <dr_willis> they can run. :P but its best to use a very light window manager.
[06:41] <dr_willis> and the install can take forever.
[06:41] <TheHighChild> def
[06:41] <james_xxx> but on the P3 i mentioned, it would run well, wouldn't it?
[06:41] <TheHighChild> james_xxx: Should run fine
[06:45] <CaptainMorgan> how do I load xmodmap on every startup ?
[06:46] <kuzmaster> how can i view a list of all the things running, and kill some?
[06:46] <kuzmaster> cos i cant use adept cos it says that its already running, which it isnt
[06:46] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: top
[06:46] <kuzmaster> top?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> CaptainMorgan: symlink into ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:46] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: type it into a console
[06:47] <kuzmaster> ohhhhh, ok
[06:47] <kuzmaster> sudo top?
[06:47] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: No need for sudo
[06:47] <kuzmaster> ok
[06:47] <kuzmaster> i cant find anythin that realates to adept
[06:47] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Type: top then you can type 'u' for user and then type the user name you want to see all the processes for
[06:48] <kuzmaster> how can i kill it
[06:48] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: ps aux | grep adept
[06:48] <kuzmaster> k, thnax
[06:48] <CaptainMorgan> Hobbsee: symlink what ? the new map?
[06:48] <Hawkwind> Then kill the PID#'s
[06:48] <Hobbsee> CaptainMorgan: is xmodmap a shell script or something?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> or a program?
[06:48] <CaptainMorgan> I believe so
[06:48] <Hawkwind> It's a program
[06:48] <Hawkwind> For keyboard mapping
[06:48] <CaptainMorgan> right
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, symlink the program then
[06:49] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[06:49] <ubotu> I guess symlink is ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[06:49] <CaptainMorgan> interesting.. /Autostart has nothing in it...
[06:49] <Hobbsee> ie ls -s /usr/bin/xmodmap/or/whatever /usr/share/autostart
[06:49] <Hobbsee> if you want it for all users
[06:49] <Hawkwind> CaptainMorgan: That means nothing has been starting on startup of KDE :)
[06:50] <TheHighChild> 'ln -s'
[06:50] <kuzmaster> how can i see a list of programs that open on start-up?
[06:50] <CaptainMorgan> aye, thank you
[06:50] <CaptainMorgan> good q kuzmaster
[06:50] <CaptainMorgan> :)
[06:50] <Hawkwind> kuzmaster: Look in /usr/share/autostart or in ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:50] <kuzmaster> i think i know how to clear it, but not start it
[06:50] <kuzmaster> brb
[06:51] <RobNyc> !ati
[06:51] <Child4Christ> lol
[06:51] <ubotu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI radeon 9200 & below supported by open-source drivers http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:58] <ubuntu> what the heck is the root password for the livecd?
[06:58] <FuriousGeorge> :)
[06:59] <FuriousGeorge> i need to tool around with my evms volumes and i cant figure out how to swutch to root on the livecd
[06:59] <FuriousGeorge> that is to say i dont know the password
[06:59] <CaptainMorgan> nothing I do works
[07:00] <CaptainMorgan> I made a file - .Xmodmap, with the keys found from xev which identifies the keycode. I then did xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap and linked xmodmap to /Autostart and now the program exists in Autostart like it should but he keys are still not working...
[07:03] <FuriousGeorge> this is so beat
[07:04] <FuriousGeorge> i gotta sudo everything and of course fdisk and stuff dont like that
[07:04] <FuriousGeorge> or rather they dont like when i forget to sudo
[07:04] <noiesmo> FuriousGeorge, sudo -i
[07:05] <noiesmo> FuriousGeorge, will start a root session in terminal
[07:07] <kuzmaster> im bakc
[07:07] <kuzmaster> back
[07:07] <kuzmaster> why cant i start the updater thingy
[07:08] <kuzmaster> it says that another proccess is using adept of apt-get
[07:08] <kuzmaster> but i adept isnt open
[07:08] <kuzmaster> and im not running apt-get
[07:08] <kuzmaster> gelp?
[07:08] <kuzmaster> help**?
[07:08] <kuzmaster> anyone?
[07:09] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, ps ax |grep apt
[07:09] <TheHighChild> kuzmaster: I think 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' should fix it.
[07:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[07:09] <kuzmaster> so wat do i type
[07:09] <TheHighChild> hold on
[07:09] <TheHighChild> let me make sure
[07:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[07:09] <kuzmaster> ok
[07:09] <defrysk> coffee fixes anything
[07:10] <kuzmaster> coffee?
[07:10] <defrysk> yes
[07:10] <CaptainMorgan> what dir is KDE in ?
[07:10] <kuzmaster> is that a program......
[07:10] <CaptainMorgan> or the name of the Kde dir?
[07:10] <kuzmaster> or the drink
[07:11] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, if you type ps ax | grep apt it will list the pid number of apt then you can kill it and run apt-get or adapt
[07:11] <kuzmaster> ok
[07:11] <defrysk> the drink
[07:12] <TheHighChild> kuzmaster: try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144963&page=2
[07:14] <kuzmaster> where is the pid number?
[07:14] <kuzmaster> heres what i got
[07:14] <kuzmaster>  4931 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep apt
[07:14] <kuzmaster> and...
[07:14] <TheHighChild> kuzmaster: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187610&highlight=adept+locked
[07:14] <kuzmaster> k
[07:14] <kuzmaster> so wheres the pid number
[07:14] <lnxKDE> ^%%$#% going to make a fresh install... I screw up my system by installing KDE, XGL and Gnome,
[07:14] <noiesmo> ok try ps ax |grep adapt if no number is returned like before then apt or adapt is not running
[07:15] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, sudo apt-get -f install
[07:15] <lnxKDE> is to bloated with GTK stuff :)
[07:15] <kuzmaster> heres what i got after that ps ax thing
[07:15] <kuzmaster>  4931 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep apt
[07:15] <defrysk> noiesmo, its adept, not adapt
[07:15] <noiesmo> oops
[07:16] <kuzmaster> so is the pid number 4931?
[07:16] <noiesmo> defrysk, i just use apt-get on commandline dont like adept or synaptic old school
[07:16] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, yes thats the pid for your ps ax command
[07:16] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, try just type ps ax see if adept is listed
[07:16] <kuzmaster> k
[07:17] <defrysk> noiesmo, old school knows the importance of case sensitivity
[07:17] <kuzmaster> ill try sudo apt-get -f install
[07:17] <kuzmaster> now
[07:17] <kuzmaster> and katapult isnt working
[07:17] <kuzmaster> ;(
[07:17] <kuzmaster> now it is
[07:18] <kuzmaster> i got this after putting in apt-get -f install
[07:18] <kuzmaster> sudo apt-get -f install
[07:18] <TalentedChimp> hmm, my desktop background fails to refresh and is totally unresponsive
[07:18] <kuzmaster> heres what i got E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:19] <noiesmo> so run sudo dpkg --configure -a or try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[07:19] <defrysk> kuzmaster, you had the same prob yesterday
[07:19] <defrysk> do you quit apt processes while installing ?
[07:19] <noiesmo> defrysk, was i not case sensitivity
[07:21] <CaptainMorgan> how do I get pid? no command found and no man entry
[07:21] <kuzmaster> no i diddnt
[07:22] <defrysk> kuzmaster, ahwell
[07:22] <kuzmaster> yesterday it would find the sources
[07:22] <noiesmo> CaptainMorgan, pid can be obtained by ps ax or using top
[07:22] <kuzmaster> thats all fixed now (incrooect dns)
[07:22] <CaptainMorgan> ps ax?
[07:22] <defrysk> kuzmaster, nm
[07:23] <noiesmo> CaptainMorgan, pid can be obtained by ps ax or using top
[07:23] <noiesmo> CaptainMorgan, type ps ax in terminal and you should see list of running process with the pid number at begining
[07:23] <CaptainMorgan> ok - by why isn't pid working?
[07:25] <TheHighChild> because it probably isn';t a competing process, the apt database is probably just locked. It happens if you quit sessions before they're finished
[07:27] <[Evil] [Ernie] > can a computer running kubuntu interact with computers running windows xp on a home network?
[07:27] <TheHighChild> [Evil] [Ernie] : Interact how?
[07:27] <[Evil] [Ernie] > well, i have a desktop running winxp which has a USB harddrive connected to it
[07:28] <[Evil] [Ernie] > this is where i store all of my data..
[07:28] <TheHighChild> [Evil] [Ernie] : You can set up Samba shares
[07:28] <[Evil] [Ernie] > my laptop has kubuntu on it now, and i just want to be able to store files on that drive from my laptop
[07:28] <[Evil] [Ernie] > excellent
[07:28] <[Evil] [Ernie] > store/retrieve, to be exact
[07:29] <noiesmo> !tell [Evil] [Ernie]  about ntfs
[07:30] <Ashex> [Evil] [Ernie] : you can also use samba to browse shared files on your Xp dekstop
[07:30] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hmm
[07:30] <[Evil] [Ernie] > "there is no write support for ntfs that is safe"
[07:30] <[Evil] [Ernie] > eek
[07:30] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hopefully i read that out of context?
[07:30] <noiesmo> blame M$ for that
[07:30] <Ashex> There are ways to
[07:30] <Hobbsee> [Evil] [Ernie] : you read that right
[07:30] <noiesmo> yes no safe write support
[07:30] <Ashex> but none of them are 100% safe
[07:31] <kuzmaster> adept seams to be working now
[07:31] <[Evil] [Ernie] > so would that mean data i am writing may be corrupt? or the entire drive would be corrupt somehow?
[07:31] <Ashex> I finally got mkv files
[07:32] <Ashex> and the audio sync problem has been fixed!
[07:32] <noiesmo> possibly both
[07:32] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ah
[07:32] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[07:32] <Ashex> Too bad my audigy card failed on me though
[07:32] <[Evil] [Ernie] > sounds like a bad idea =p
[07:32] <Ashex> I ran it through the dishwasher, so it might be working properly later
[07:32] <noiesmo> you could hook usb drive to xp machine then share it and use it that way then xp is writing files not linux
[07:33] <Ashex> Yeah, that's a possiblity
[07:33] <[Evil] [Ernie] > oh, that was the method i had in mind
[07:33] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the drive will always be connected to that desktop
[07:33] <Ashex> !tell [Evil] [Ernie]  about Samba
[07:33] <[Evil] [Ernie] > so technically  when i go to write to it, im really going to be sending data to that desktop and it will write to the drive (i think)
[07:33] <[Evil] [Ernie] > thank you
[07:34] <Ashex> Yeah, pretty much
[07:34] <Ashex> just remember to set permissions on the share
[07:35] <Ashex> Anywho, Back to my anime marathon
[07:35] <Ashex> w00t, I'll never have to boot into windows again!
[07:41] <TalentedChimp> does anyone have experience of running samba in a multi-language (non-latin language + english) environment?
[07:45] <err1> Hello. I have a problem with my wireless network. My network card seems to be recognized, but I can't figure out how to connect to my network.
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > =o
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > download this..
[07:45] <TalentedChimp> i'll take that as a 'no' to my question then :-)
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > kwifimanager
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > im still trying to get samba TalentedChimp.. otherwise i would try to help =p
[07:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i'm still a noob though, so, meh
[07:46] <err1> I can't use wlan manager, or whatever, because it does not let me set encryption stuff.
[07:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hmm
[07:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > try this one then:
[07:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > wireless assistant!
[07:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > should come with kubuntu
[07:47] <err1> And if I use system settings it doesn't actually start the network. Just screws around and tells me it's trying.
[07:47] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i could probably help more if i actually knew how to make my card turn on >.<
[07:47] <err1> I tried whatever is in kubuntu.
[07:47] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hmm
[07:47] <TalentedChimp> i work in korea, using english linux laptop on korean windows network
[07:48] <err1> Sorry. I'm using windows right now.
[07:48] <err1> So I can't refer to things correctly.
[07:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > Open the Computer Menu, then click on "Network". You'll see a "windows network" icon, open it.
[07:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > in the instructions for browsing samba shares
[07:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ....what computer menu?
[07:54] <TalentedChimp> are you talking to me EvilErnie?
[07:55] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i'm talking to anyone who's reading it!
[07:56] <Hobbsee> [Evil] [Ernie] : wlassistant is default with kubuntu - it comes on the cd.
[07:56] <lowtech> is there a 'network' on your menu?
[07:57] <[Evil] [Ernie] > well, what computer menu?
[07:57] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[07:57] <[Evil] [Ernie] > K-menu?
[07:58] <lowtech> yeah
[07:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > there's a Networking, under System
[07:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but looks nothing like what they were describing
[07:58] <lowtech> just guessing as i'm not on kubuntu right now
[07:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ah
[07:59] <lowtech> where are you reading that?
[07:59] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[07:59] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba
[08:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > was reading it there
[08:04] <lowtech> no System > Admin > Networking either?
[08:04] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i don't have an admin tab under system
[08:04] <lowtech> hmm, heh
[08:04] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but i do have system > networking
[08:04] <[Evil] [Ernie] > just doesnt look anything like what they were describing
[08:05] <[Evil] [Ernie] > err, wait... i did that part
[08:05] <[Evil] [Ernie] > indeed
[08:05] <lowtech> may not look the same as long as it has the same functions
[08:05] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the part where it mentions a windows icon, and a few steps later says you will see shared folders on your network
[08:06] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i can't find the dialog they're talking about there!
[08:10] <lowtech> sorry, guess i can't help now. my kubuntu box is dual boot and its busy right now in another OS
[08:11] <kuzmaster> when downloadin stuff in adept, i get this message
[08:11] <kuzmaster> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[08:12] <kuzmaster> how can i fix that?
[08:13] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmm? anyone?
[08:14] <lowtech> try again? maybe a busy server?
[08:14] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, you will need to know what app wants to keep packages that another app wants to replace and go from there what are you tring to install through adept
[08:14] <kuzmaster> it seems to always do tha
[08:14] <kuzmaster> that**
[08:14] <kuzmaster> and noiesmon, diddnt really anderstand that
[08:15] <noiesmo> kuzmaster, I install most apps from command line so if you try to do sudo apt-get install package then see whats being complained about
[08:15] <lowtech> adept is the gui?
[08:15] <kuzmaster> ok
[08:15] <silenced> Does anyone know why my sound would simply just stop working or where I should start looking to solve the problem?
[08:15] <noiesmo> lowtech, but poor feed back not very verbos
[08:16] <noiesmo> silenced, open terminal type lsmod |grep snd
[08:17] <lowtech> noiesmo: i'm new to kubuntu and still learning apps. i always use cli for package management no matter what distro :)
[08:17] <EvilIdler> I'm trying to do some local traffic control here, but RTNETLINK answers "No such file or directory" when I try to fiddle with tc. What kernel modules are needed?
[08:17] <silenced> noiesmo: ok it printed out a bunch of stuff
[08:17] <kuzmaster> how do i mount my cd drive at start up
[08:17] <noiesmo> silenced, i get ok now do lspci see if sound card listed matches info from previous command
[08:18] <noiesmo> silenced, can you see your sound card
[08:18] <crimsun_> eh, that's a bit long
[08:18] <crimsun_> silenced: pastebin ``asoundconf list && amixer''
[08:18] <silenced> :P, also noiesmo I keep getting an error from adept saying that something else like apt-get is using the package database as well even after a reboot
[08:18] <silenced> crimsun will do
[08:18] <silenced> noiesmo: still looking
[08:19] <silenced> noiesmo: nvidia audio controller shows up in the second command but not the first
[08:21] <noiesmo> silenced, did you recently upgrade your system or kernel
[08:21] <noiesmo> silenced, you had sound at one stage??
[08:22] <lowtech> silenced: you get no errors at all?
[08:22] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594167289193/
[08:23] <noiesmo> crimsun_, thats a handy little line to get sound info cool :)
[08:26] <tyler_> noiesmo: sorry friggin keep dropping my connection
[08:26] <crimsun_> (still waiting on the pastebin)
[08:26] <noiesmo> silenced, did you recently upgrade your system or kernel
[08:26] <noiesmo> silenced, you had sound at one stage??
[08:27] <noiesmo> Silenced, do the onliner from crimsun_ asoundconf list && amixer and pastebin it
[08:27] <Silenced> No no upgrade, I install from the LTS 6.06 kubuntu release 2 weeks ago if even that long and sound worked flawlessly when I first installed
[08:28] <Silenced> the only package I have tried to install that failed was flash but I don't think that would have caused the problem
[08:28] <Silenced> crimsun_: http://pastebin.com/712323
[08:28] <crimsun_> Silenced: amixer set 'PCM' on
[08:29] <exceswater> hi all
[08:29] <exceswater> good morning everyone :D
[08:29] <Silenced> crimsun_: through alsamixer?
[08:29] <exceswater> defrysk: hi
[08:29] <crimsun_> no, just paste that in Konsole
[08:29] <Silenced> crimsun_: ok done
[08:30] <crimsun_> Silenced: now play some music
[08:30] <exceswater> i need some help about binding some keys to an action
[08:30] <Silenced> YES
[08:30] <exceswater> who can help me
[08:30] <Silenced> crimsun_: me high fives crimsun_
[08:30] <Silenced> How the crap did that get turned off
[08:30] <crimsun_> some app probably toggled it *shrug*
[08:31] <Silenced> crimsun_: anyidea how to get adept to work again, its complaining that something else is hogging the package database even after a full reboot
[08:31] <Silenced> I tried a killall apt-get adept etc and nothing
[08:31] <crimsun_> I'm not familiar w/ Adept; does it keep a lockfile in /var/lock ?
[08:32] <noiesmo> crimsun_, adept is gui for apt-get
[08:32] <Silenced> crimsun_: I have no idea, I can't even use apt-get though
[08:32] <crimsun_> noiesmo: (right)
[08:32] <Silenced> apt-get complains as well that the package database is in use
[08:33] <crimsun_> oh, then you do have a stale dpkg lock?
[08:34] <Silenced> crimsun_: I have no idea what that is or how to check it, I've just started using apt-get 2 weeks ago, I flipped to kubuntu from gentoo
[08:36] <crimsun_> ls -l /var/{lib/dpkg,cache/apt/archives}/lock
[08:36] <Silenced> crimsun_:
[08:36] <Silenced> -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2006-06-12 08:25 /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[08:36] <Silenced> -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2006-06-15 18:55 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:37] <crimsun_> ok, what's the output from ``sudo apt-get update''?
[08:37] <crimsun_> (pastebin)
[08:39] <RawSewage> tj9991, does it put you out
[08:40] <tj9991> yes
[08:40] <RawSewage> I'm sorry to tell you this but
[08:40] <RawSewage> WE have a great new project
[08:46] <crimsun_> tyler: pastebin ``sudo apt-get update''
[08:47] <Silenced> crimsun_: sorry bad connection here been having problems all day
[08:48] <Silenced> I think the failed flash install is blocking apt-get from working
[08:49] <crimsun_> Silenced: what precisely is apt-get doing when you tell it to update?
[08:49] <Silenced> crimsun_: it keeps telling me I need to run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem but that just tries to finsih the falsh install which failes
[08:49] <noiesmo> sudo apt-get -f install
[08:49] <err1> How do I set up a wireless network without using the kde utilities, cuz they aren't working the way they ought to.
[08:50] <Silenced> http://pastebin.com/712352
[08:50] <kuzmaster> accessing my wireless network was a sinch for me. all i needed to do was open the wireless assistance, and clich on the right network
[08:51] <Silenced> dpkg --configure -a tries to configure the flash install which once again hangs
[08:51] <err1> mine is wep secured.
[08:51] <crimsun_> Silenced: sudo dpkg -P flashplugin-nonfree
[08:52] <Silenced> ok will try that
[08:52] <Silenced> crimsun_: what was that amixer command you told me?
[08:53] <crimsun_> Silenced: which one, the one to diagnose or the one to fix?
[08:53] <Silenced> to fix
[08:53] <crimsun_> amixer set 'PCM' on
[08:54] <Silenced> crimsun_: thanks man apt-get update now works
[08:54] <RawSewage> tj9991, the project we are working on is one of those 'I wish I'd thought of that'
[08:54] <crimsun_> Silenced: did you use Adept to install flashplugin-nonfree?
[08:55] <Silenced> crimsun_: no I used apt-get and followed the tutorial on the wiki
[08:55] <crimsun_> Silenced: ah, you probably triggered the priority bug
[08:55] <crimsun_> Silenced: try using Adept (or Synaptic if you have it installed) to install it
[08:56] <crimsun_> if it hangs again, just close Adept and run that dpkg -P  command I gave you above
[08:56] <Silenced> crimsun_: ok thanks man
[08:57] <crimsun_> just to clarify, there are two independent issues here: 1) Macromedia mirror is awful; 2) There's a debconf priority bug for flashplugin-nonfree.
[08:58] <Silenced> crimsun_: ok thats good to know, I figured I was partially retarded and somehow bunked my system in 4 days haha
[09:01] <tj9991> what do you mean we
[09:01] <tj9991> you and kak?
[09:01] <RawSewage> youre good
[09:03] <Silenced> does anyone else have problems with stability using firefox on kubuntu
[09:04] <kuzmaster> nope
[09:04] <Silenced> it was rock solid on my other distro but it crashes like crazy on this one
[09:04] <kuzmaster> not me at least
[09:04] <kuzmaster> it seems to be solid for me
[09:04] <Silenced> hmmm
[09:05] <animato> hello, i just started using kubuntu, but it's pretty slugish, any way to speed it up? cancel some services or something?
[09:05] <RawSewage> animato, whats the speed of your computer
[09:05] <animato> it's not THAT slow
[09:05] <animato> amd athlon xp 2800 with 512 ddr ram
[09:06] <RawSewage> is that like 2.8 ghz
[09:06] <RawSewage> how can that be sluggish
[09:06] <animato> i don't think so
[09:06] <RawSewage> I can run it fine on a 767 mhz laptop
[09:07] <kuzmaster> how can i access shared files on another computer on my network?
[09:07] <animato> 2083
[09:07] <RawSewage> kuzmaster, Samba
[09:07] <animato> the model numbers for amd don't indicate their speed
[09:07] <kuzmaster> ok, ill look
[09:07] <BlankB> animato: is everything slow or just some applications?
[09:07] <animato> all of it
[09:08] <animato> when i open or close an app
[09:08] <animato> esp. konq, i can see it "drawing" it
[09:08] <kuzmaster> when i open samba shares, it says that it cant find any workgroups computersa
[09:09] <BlankB> animato: when you run top does it indicate if something is using all the cpu?
[09:09] <kuzmaster> hang on, its found the required computer
[09:09] <lowtech> animato: what video card?
[09:09] <animato> top?
[09:09] <animato> nvidia geforce 4 mx
[09:09] <oskyldig> Hmmm.. I have installation question for partitions.. Just a bit confused :)
[09:10] <animato> what's top? i just started using kde, i was using gnome before
[09:10] <BlankB> animato: in a Konsole just type: top
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oskyldig: shoot
[09:10] <oskyldig> Okej I have 1 HD, I have windows currently istnalled, I want to split the HD into 3 partitions, 1 existing windows, 1swap and 1 ext3
[09:10] <animato> what's "gam_server?"
[09:10] <oskyldig> When I am at the install screen I dont know how to create the 2 new ones
[09:11] <animato> it's using 64% of the cpu
[09:11] <RawSewage> kuzmaster, did it work
[09:11] <yonkeltron> where can i request a package?
[09:11] <lowtech> oskyldig: you'll want a /home too
[09:11] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: what package?
[09:12] <oskyldig> yes that's possible, but I dont know how to make them ;)
[09:12] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: democracy
[09:12] <oskyldig> I've just got.. .1 entry there and its 20GB used of 60GB available
[09:12] <animato> where can i cancel some services? i'm not using bluetooth and such, maybe that's leeching away my cpu, i just saw a BT service awhile ago
[09:12] <Hobbsee> yonkeltron: wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[09:13] <yonkeltron> Hobbsee: todah.
[09:13] <animato> what does the daemon/service "gam_server" does?
[09:14] <kuzmaster> RawSewage. yeah it works
[09:14] <RawSewage> ok
[09:16] <animato> blankb, that link won't work
[09:16] <animato> what were you trying to show me?
[09:16] <oskyldig> Ouf.. No guidiance? :S
[09:17] <BlankB> animato: http://tinyurl.com/mryem
[09:17] <animato> thanx
[09:19] <animato> but if it's a gnome package, why can't i turn it off or uninstall it on kde?
[09:19] <oskyldig> Hmmm.. Install, how to make the partitions... help?
[09:20] <BlankB> animato: dunno... I dont have the problem.
[09:20] <animato> :(
[09:22] <Healot> !partition
[09:22] <ubotu> Healot: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:22] <Healot> www.tldp.org >> oskyldig
[09:22] <oskyldig> thanks
[09:23] <Healot> all about GNU/Linux
[09:25] <kuzmaster> how do i install skype
[09:25] <kuzmaster> i have downloaded the .deb
[09:26] <Hobbsee> !skype
[09:26] <ubotu> it has been said that skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[09:26] <kuzmaster> and ran sudo dpkg -i /home/josh/Desktop/Debs/skype.deb
[09:26] <kuzmaster> thanks
[09:26] <kuzmaster> !ubotu
[09:26] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[09:36] <omega> It's funny how the wiki always says that software is unavailable. But never why.
[09:43] <Healot> you need to know why?
[09:47] <kuzmaster> !skype
[09:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[09:48] <itay> Problems with xgl on kde - see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1137606#post1137606
[09:49] <kuzmaster> how can i make konsole transparent?
[09:50] <kuzmaster> is it possible?
[09:51] <kuzmaster> is it?
[09:51] <kuzmaster> well?
[09:52] <kuzmaster> well, can i make konsole transparent
[09:53] <animato> hello, i can play streaming videos fine with kong, but how can i configure firefox to use kaffeine with streaming video?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: yes.  poking around the options usually helps
[09:53] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: settings, configure konsole, schema, hit the transparency button
[09:53] <kuzmaster> and where will i find these options?
[09:53] <kuzmaster> thanxs
[09:54] <Adam_eM> hi
[09:55] <animato> hello, i can play streaming videos fine with kong, but how can i configure firefox to use kaffeine with streaming video?
[09:56] <dbglt> is there anyone who can assist me in installing/fixing my ATI drivers? I've followed the ATI binary howto, and my drivers are still the MESA ones :(
[09:56] <dbglt> any ideas?
[09:56] <Adam_eM> can anyone give me the synaptic script to automatically download a build-essential package and it's dependencies ? I heard synaptic can do those scripts, and i have to download these file through windows, since i haven't got a net access in kubuntu
[09:56] <PyroMithrandir> dbglt, you have to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to
[09:56] <PyroMithrandir> oh come on
[09:56] <PyroMithrandir> he left
[09:57] <dbglt> oops sorry, got disconnected. Anyone who can help with the binary ATI drivers?
[09:57] <PyroMithrandir> dbglt, you have to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:57] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: I have.
[09:57] <defrysk> Adam_eM, to get the dependencies sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[09:58] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: Driver "fglrx", right?
[09:58] <animato> any other kde browsers besides konq?
[09:58] <PyroMithrandir> um, I don't know, isn't it Driver "ati" ?
[09:58] <PyroMithrandir> !ati
[09:58] <ubotu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI radeon 9200 & below supported by open-source drivers http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[09:58] <pd273> has anyone got Radeon 9200 to work with fglrx
[09:58] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: I followed the wiki you have linked to. It didn't work
[09:59] <PyroMithrandir> what do you mean it didn't work?
[09:59] <Adam_eM> defrysk but temporarily i cant use linux, just windows (i'm not at home, and i have to download the packages first)
[09:59] <PyroMithrandir> how did it not work?
[09:59] <pd273> some googling tells me it works, but I have no luck
[09:59] <defrysk> Adam_eM, sorry
[09:59] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: I still don't have direct rendering: fglrxinfo reports it is using MESA
[09:59] <dbglt> there are no errors in my Xorg.log
[09:59] <dbglt> so I have no idea what's wrong
[09:59] <PyroMithrandir> dbglt, have you restarted your x server?
[10:00] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: yes. And rebooted
[10:00] <Healot> the driver is "fglrx"
[10:00] <Adam_eM> defrysk could you just paste what your synaptic gave back to you as the build-essential dependencies ?
[10:01] <PyroMithrandir> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide <-- did you check the troubleshooting parts of that link, dbglt?
[10:02] <dbglt> one moment, restarting X server again: worth a shot. If not, I'll try the troubleshooting bit again
[10:02] <RawSewage> tj9991, one more day
[10:03] <tj9991> until?
[10:03] <RawSewage> Dont you have one more day
[10:03] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: no luck :( grr
[10:03] <PyroMithrandir> well, I'm out of ideas. I don't have an ati card myself, so I don't have experience with this...
[10:03] <RawSewage> School
[10:03] <tj9991> yes
[10:03] <tj9991> im having friends over to celebrate
[10:03] <RawSewage> tonight?
[10:04] <tj9991> tomorrow
[10:04] <RawSewage> what does that have to do with Kubuntu
[10:04] <RawSewage> offtopic in BV
[10:05] <dbglt> Using the latest fglrx driver (8.25.18) renders GLX unusable for some Radeon based cards
[10:05] <dbglt>  Workaround: use older version of libGL.so.2.1 as described here: [WWW]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185033
[10:05] <dbglt> that could be a problem?
[10:05] <dbglt> no
[10:05] <dbglt> doesn't seem likely
[10:06] <defrysk> Adam_eM, http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/devel/build-essential
[10:06] <PyroMithrandir> well, no, because apparently you're not actually using the latest fglrx driver, right?
[10:06] <dbglt> PyroMithrandir: no idea
[10:07] <dbglt> whatever dapper uses...
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> well if you've edited your  xorg.conf to tell it to use the fglrx driver I don't know why you don't think it is usin it
[10:08] <dbglt> using what?
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> the fglrx driver
[10:10] <dbglt> hrmm
[10:10] <dbglt> in dmesg
[10:10] <dbglt> [4328362.182000]  [fglrx]  Internal AGP support requested, but kernel AGP support active.
[10:10] <dbglt> [4328362.182000]  [fglrx]  Have to use kernel AGP support to avoid conflicts.
[10:10] <dbglt> could that be a problem?
[10:11] <Healot> dbglt: look for those labelled (EE)
[10:11] <dbglt> Healot: there are none. I checked for that already
[10:12] <dbglt> hrmm no
[10:12] <Healot> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log    >> not dmesg
[10:12] <dbglt> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[10:12] <dbglt> Healot: yes I checked that
[10:12] <kuzmaster> hey all
[10:12] <Rede> occasionally my wifi cuts out (acx100 im assuming) and i have to reboot to get it to work again. i used to just be able to restart the device when i'd manually set up the wifi on fedora but i'm not sure how to do that on kubuntu
[10:13] <Rede> anyone know how i can restart the wlan0 device?
[10:13] <Healot> dbglt: grep the "acceleration"
[10:13] <kuzmaster> currently i only have one hard drive on this computer (kubuntu)
[10:13] <kuzmaster> but when i put another in , and set that as master, i get the following error message when booting up in kubuntu
[10:14] <kuzmaster> cant access tty:job controll turned off
[10:14] <dbglt> hrmm
[10:14] <dbglt> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[10:14] <dbglt> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available
[10:14] <dbglt> eek
[10:15] <kuzmaster> but before that there is /bin/sh:
[10:15] <Healot> yay!
[10:15] <kuzmaster> but its all right if i take that drive out, and only have the kubuntu drive in
[10:15] <kuzmaster> can anyone help me?
[10:15] <Healot> that's the error, dbglt
[10:16] <dbglt> Healot: aye, figured as much :P
[10:16] <dbglt> Healot: hrmm I think
[10:16] <dbglt> Healot: does having Xorg 7 present a problem?
[10:16] <Healot> dbglt: just flush the X log to pastebin...
[10:16] <Healot> dbglt: did you read the Kubuntu errata/bug list yet?
[10:16] <Healot> there is a fix to that though
[10:17] <kuzmaster> help anyone?
[10:18] <Healot> kuzmaster: what was the IDEO location of that disk?
[10:18] <kuzmaster> ummmm
[10:18] <Healot> the previous before you pull and put it back?
[10:18] <kuzmaster> it was on the same channell has the other hard disk?
[10:18] <kuzmaster> on the master connection
[10:19] <infidel> hi
[10:20] <dbglt> Healot: which problem are you referring to?
[10:20] <ubuntu> hi
[10:20] <dbglt> Healot: all I see is: Using fglrx or ati drivers may cause KDM/xorg to freeze on logout or reboot  / Using the latest fglrx driver (8.25.18) renders GLX unusable for some Radeon based cards
[10:21] <kuzmaster> any help?
[10:21] <infidel> I'm new to linux
[10:21] <infidel> I absolutely love Kubuntu
[10:21] <Healot> btw, dbglt, you have not figure out the 3D part yet :)
[10:22] <Healot> yeah taht one...
[10:22] <kuzmaster> !vmware
[10:22] <ubotu> Please check this out, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare adjusting kernel versions to your own, to get the number replace the numbers with " `uname -r" The ` is a Backtic
[10:22] <Healot> and some other fglrx related bugs
[10:22] <dbglt> Healot: so I should follow the instructions
[10:22] <dbglt> ?
[10:22] <kuzmaster> can ANYONE help me?
[10:23] <infidel> what's the problem?
[10:23] <huhn_> Hi I have a problem with my network-setup in kubuntu 6.06. The ath0 interface only works when I do a ifdown/ifup-pair after booting. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[10:23] <Healot> dbglt: btw ... just flush your xorg.conf and X log... to pastebin... let figure this out
[10:23] <dbglt> ok
[10:25] <dbglt> Healot: xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/712468
[10:25] <dbglt> Healot: xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/712471
[10:26] <BlankB> kuzmaster: I missed you question earlier..whats up?
[10:26] <kuzmaster> ok,
[10:26] <kuzmaster> ummm. go to find it
[10:26] <kuzmaster> lol
[10:26] <kuzmaster> currently i only have one hard drive on this computer (kubuntu)
[10:26] <kuzmaster> currently i only have one hard drive on this computer (kubuntu)
[10:26] <huhn_> So no one with a idea?
[10:26] <kuzmaster> cant access tty:job controll turned off
[10:26] <kuzmaster> but before that there is /bin/sh:
[10:27] <Healot> !ati
[10:27] <ubotu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI radeon 9200 & below supported by open-source drivers http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[10:27] <Healot> dbglt: the card is AGP 9200 right?
[10:27] <kuzmaster> BlankB, any ideas?
[10:28] <BlankB> huhn_: are you getting any error messages at bootup?
[10:28] <kuzmaster> yeah
[10:28] <animato> hello, can kaffeine-mozilla play wmv files?
[10:28] <BlankB> kuzmaster: I really dont follow what you are asking.
[10:29] <kuzmaster> well, how can i make it so i can have another hard drive in my computer?
[10:29] <BlankB> Open the box and put one in? But that is probably not what you are asking. Could you rephrase your question.?
[10:29] <RawSewage> tj9991, is your room clean
[10:30] <tj9991> yes
[10:30] <kuzmaster> when i put the extra hard drive in, it comes up with an error, and  iwould like to fix that error
[10:30] <kuzmaster> !grub
[10:30] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[10:30] <BlankB> what is the error and where do you see it?
[10:30] <huhn_> So am I alone with this problem? It is driving me insane slowly...
[10:31] <kuzmaster> the error is...
[10:31] <dbglt> Healot: err
[10:31] <kuzmaster> the error is /bin/sh: cant access tty:job controll turned off
[10:31] <dbglt> Healot: it is an ati 9800 pro
[10:31] <dbglt> it uses the propietary driver, I've installed it before
[10:31] <kuzmaster> and i get that while booting
[10:31] <infidel> can anyone help me install SuperKaramba? I am a total linux newbie...?
[10:32] <kuzmaster> at the screen that says kubuntu and all the things down the bottom loading
[10:33] <BlankB> huhn_: does this occur on reboot or on a powerup?
[10:33] <infidel> How do I install a file with the extensions tar.gz ?
[10:33] <kuzmaster> boot up
[10:33] <BlankB> kuzmaster: this is when you first power on the machine?
[10:33] <kuzmaster> no
[10:33] <kuzmaster> oh, yeah
[10:33] <kuzmaster> sorry
[10:33] <huhn_> on reboot
[10:33] <animato> hello, can kaffeine-mozilla play wmv files?
[10:34] <dbglt> Healot: back in a second, going to try restart X  again
[10:35] <infidel> Animato: Do you have a link to a wmv file?
[10:35] <animato> not atm
[10:35] <BlankB> huhn_: are you getting dhcp from a router like a linksys or a netgear?
[10:35] <infidel> ok wait I'll find ou
[10:35] <animato> but i mean, it plays everything but wmvs
[10:35] <animato> thanx
[10:36] <kuzmaster> BlankB, any ideas
[10:36] <dbglt> Healot: no look, still
[10:36] <dbglt> *luck
[10:36] <BlankB> kuzmaster: Im doing some google searching.. I havent seen that problem before.
[10:36] <kuzmaster> ok
[10:36] <kuzmaster> thanxs
[10:36] <huhn_> blank, no its all manually configured
[10:37] <BlankB> huhn_: now that is wierd. put a copy of your /etc/network/interfaces on http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[10:38] <kuzmaster> BlankB, and it was in BusyBox, or that was open
[10:38] <kuzmaster> BlankB, BusyBox Built-in Shell (ash)
[10:39] <BlankB> kuzmaster: ok.
[10:39] <Healot> dbglt: using the restricted module right?
[10:40] <BlankB> kuzmaster: does the screen you see look something like the one here: http://forums.spodesabode.com/viewtopic.php?p=25569
[10:40] <huhn_> auto lo
[10:40] <huhn_> iface lo inet loopback
[10:40] <huhn_> address 127.0.0.1
[10:40] <huhn_> netmask 255.0.0.0
[10:40] <BlankB> huhn_: paste it to the pastebin i gave you.
[10:40] <huhn_> auto eth0
[10:41] <kuzmaster> ummmmm.... YES
[10:41] <huhn_> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:41] <BlankB> huhn_: dont do it here.
[10:41] <huhn_> auto eth1
[10:41] <huhn_> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[10:41] <kuzmaster> BlankB, YES
[10:41] <huhn_> auto eth2
[10:41] <huhn_> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[10:41] <kuzmaster> BlankB, congrats
[10:41] <huhn_> auto ath0
[10:41] <huhn_> iface ath0 inet static
[10:41] <huhn_> wireless-essid katananet
[10:41] <huhn_> address 192.168.1.60
[10:41] <huhn_> netmask 255.255.255.0
[10:41] <huhn_> gateway 192.168.1.1
[10:41] <huhn_> wireless-key xxx
[10:41] <huhn_> auto wlan0
[10:41] <huhn_> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[10:41] <infidel> animato: I think you need to get a  Plugin for Kaffeine player to play WMA files
[10:41] <huhn_> k
[10:42] <huhn_> http://blankb.pastebin.com/712504
[10:42] <animato> really?
[10:42] <huhn_> Ok here it is
[10:42] <animato> where can i get it?
[10:42] <infidel> animato: hold on let me find out :P
[10:43] <animato> thanx
[10:45] <kuzmaster> BlankB, soooo, what should i do
[10:45] <BlankB> kuzmaster: does it say something like ALERT! /dev/hdc1 does not exist?
[10:46] <kuzmaster> ummmmm, cant remember, ill see
[10:46] <kuzmaster> brb
[10:46] <huhn_> So I try with all execpt ath0 commented
[10:48] <dbglt> Healot: yeah
[10:48] <dbglt> Healot: (I think so? :|)
[10:48] <infidel> animato: Install the win32 codec pack from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html
[10:49] <animato> i think i already have it installed
[10:49] <animato> i can play wmvs fine, just not streaming ones :(
[10:49] <animato> with firefox that is
[10:49] <infidel> oh
[10:50] <animato> can i create profiles in konq? with different bookmarks and all?
[10:50] <infidel> I don't know, I am a linux newbie :(
[10:50] <animato> oh
[10:50] <animato> thanx for trying anyhow :)
[10:50] <animato> i appriciate it
[10:50] <infidel> no problem :)
[10:50] <infidel> just installed kubuntu today and lovin' it
[10:51] <animato> me too
[10:51] <animato> i used gnome before
[10:51] <kane_> anyone here using scim ?
[10:52] <infidel> I'm trying to get my ATI x1600 AGP 512MB video card working on Kubuntu... Don't know how
[10:52] <Healot> dbglt: read the Notes section ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:54] <animato> !ping
[10:54] <ubotu> pong
[10:54] <animato> can i create different profiles on kubuntu?
[10:55] <BlankB> animato: profiles? You can have multiple user accounts on a machine.
[10:55] <dbglt> Healot: no luck in there
[10:55] <LookaZooka> animato... about the streaming thing, you can get firefox and then mplayer plug-in. if you're a newbie, you should read the quickstart guide...
[10:56] <animato> where's the quick start guide?
[10:57] <Healot> dbglt: try to revert back to the driver "ati" or "radeon" since you're in Dapper right?
[10:58] <dbglt> Healot: aha. I found it. Something was screwed up
[10:58] <animato> do i need to install mplayer to use the mplayer plugin in firefox?
[10:58] <dbglt> Healot: I used the verbose
[10:58] <Healot> what was it
[10:58] <Healot> which is?
[10:58] <dbglt> it was looking in the wrong directory for trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri//fglrx_dri.so
[10:58] <dbglt> I did a search, found the file
[10:58] <dbglt> and created a symlink in that directory
[10:59] <nico8481> hi
[10:59] <dbglt> (it was in /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so)
[10:59] <LookaZooka> search on the wiki... here it is
[10:59] <LookaZooka> http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[10:59] <dbglt> Healot: thanks a bunch for your help :)
[11:00] <dbglt> back in one sec
[11:00] <deviant> anyone know anything about 'splashy'
[11:00] <Healot> there is omething about that DRI module all along
[11:05] <kuzmaster> BlankB, u there?
[11:06] <BlankB> kuzmaster: yes but barely.
[11:06] <Dranix> ^^
[11:06] <kuzmaster> yessss....
[11:07] <kuzmaster> i got the other error messages, im putting them into paste bin now
[11:08] <emonkeylap> how can I make a internal link in MoinMoin under an other name?
[11:11] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712546
[11:11] <kuzmaster> thats the errors that i get when booting with another hard drive
[11:12] <kuzmaster> !grub
[11:12] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:13] <robewald> hi, i have a strange problem with find: I want to work with a list of directory with ALL sorts of characters. find works fine and find | wc -l returns 128
[11:13] <kuzmaster> BlankB, soooo, any help or ideas?
[11:13] <BlankB> kuzmaster: can you put a copy of your /boot/grub/menu.lst file in a pastebin and briefly describe your drive layout.
[11:14] <robewald> but find -print0 | xargs -0 ls | wc -l returns only 30. also using just find -print0 returns a vastly shorter list. Whats going on?
[11:14] <kuzmaster> ok
[11:14] <robewald> I mean what's going on?
[11:14] <kuzmaster> i have a pic of how i wont my drive layout to be
[11:16] <kuzmaster> my menu.lst http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712558
[11:16] <BlankB> kuzmaster: looks pretty standard so far.
[11:16] <kuzmaster> k
[11:17] <kuzmaster> ill do the layout that im trying to do, but having problems'
[11:17] <BlankB> kuzmaster: now the drive that was your primary ide master...did you move it?
[11:17] <Dranix> Perhaps someone an idea where I could let ifdown/ifup run while logging into the user without pw?
[11:18] <BlankB> Dranix: what do you mean?
[11:18] <robewald> kuzmaster: maybe something is wrong with udev?
[11:19] <Dranix> The huhn-system is for my father. I could life with the shell-ifdown/ifup to get the walan working but he not. So an automatic loginscript would be a workaround
[11:19] <robewald> Dranix: ifplugd might be helpful here
[11:20] <Dranix> ifplugd?
[11:21] <kuzmaster> nearly there
[11:21] <robewald> ifplugd!
[11:21] <robewald> !ifplugd
[11:21] <ubotu> robewald: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:21] <Dranix> !ifplugd
[11:21] <BlankB> ifplugd is http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/ifplugd/
[11:22] <BlankB> !ifplugd
[11:22] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, BlankB
[11:22] <kuzmaster> heres the disk layout that im tryin to do now
[11:22] <kuzmaster> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/144/disk27yh.jpg
[11:23] <BlankB> kuzmaster: is the 80gb idehd -slave currently your primary ide  master?
[11:23] <robewald> Dranix: it is a daemon, that watches your cableconnection or wireless interface and ups and downs them via ifup/ifdown
[11:23] <kuzmaster> BlankB, yeah
[11:23] <Dranix> k, will try it after work. thx
[11:23] <kuzmaster> BlankB, dont no about primary, its on the one that the cd drive isnt on
[11:24] <BlankB> Dranix: there is also a file in /etc/rc2.d/S99local it is one of the last files that is run when your machine boots.
[11:24] <kuzmaster> BlankB, and it is currently set to master
[11:24] <BlankB> kuzmaster: and you want to move it to slave now?
[11:24] <kuzmaster> yea
[11:24] <BlankB> It took a while to figure that out.
[11:24] <kuzmaster> cos it dosnt get that far with it on master, and the other on slave
[11:25] <BlankB> kuzmaster: what do you mean?
[11:25] <Dranix> Blank thx, I forget that linux is more sysv-alike ;)
[11:25] <kuzmaster> well, it dosnt boot that much
[11:26] <kuzmaster> it dosnt go that far in the boot
[11:26] <Dranix> k, have to go to work. Thx for the tips
[11:29] <oskyldig> Blah
[11:29] <oskyldig> Okej I just installed, and booted but I had a black screen for abotu 10 minutes  and no result... What did I do wrong? lol
[11:30] <word> how do you set up a new 'type' like for .package?
[11:31] <word> so that by clicking on a .package you install it
[11:31] <BlankB> oskyldig: how far did you boot go before the screen went black?
[11:31] <oskyldig> Uhm It looked liek thigns were happening, like recognizing hardware and such I think.. and then went black
[11:32] <oskyldig> Sorry, that was at BlankB ;)
[11:33] <BlankB> oskyldig: it probably has something to do with your graphics card.
[11:33] <stipe> hi, how can i use hibernate in my kubuntu dapper?
[11:34] <oskyldig> BLAH... BlankB: And how am I to asses this situation? ;)
[11:34] <BlankB> First you will have to know what your hardware is.
[11:35] <BlankB> you can also start the machine in a text only mode and check the logfiles.
[11:35] <oskyldig> BlankB: Will I be able to find it out using the LiveCD?
[11:36] <BlankB> oskyldig: yes if livecd works you can do a lspci in a konsole to see what graphics card you have.
[11:36] <oskyldig> okej.. it shows me a bunch of lines :P
[11:37] <oskyldig> BlankB: Which one is the the important? :P
[11:37] <BlankB> look for the line that says something about vga
[11:37] <stipe> hi, how can i use hibernate in my kubuntu dapper?
[11:37] <BlankB> or display
[11:37] <oskyldig> ATI Technolgoies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
[11:37] <oskyldig> @ BlankB
[11:38] <oskyldig> that comes after 'VGA compatible controller'
[11:41] <nik> hi
[11:41] <oskyldig> BlankB: Now what, since I knwo what it says?
[11:41] <nik> I was installing java with adept, but there was an error when reading the license (I could not click ok in details), now apt says: E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java5-bin package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)  - any hint?
[11:42] <BlankB> try doing google searches for "Radeon Mobility" and ubuntu.  That is what Im doing now.
[11:42] <nik> how to fix manually?
[11:42] <oskyldig> ahh okej
[11:45] <BlankB> nik: you can try doing dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:47] <kane_> nik: you might want to try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:49] <dbglt> has anyone here setup xgl? I just got my 3d going with my ati card, and am trying to get xgl working too :)
[11:49] <oskyldig> BlankB: If I find a setting, how am I to tweak the xorg.conf file if I can't view anything on boot?
[11:49] <nik> BlankB: only errors
[11:49] <nik> kane_: does not help
[11:49] <dbglt> I've installed it and set it up... but I get a few problems with it being very very very slow
[11:50] <dbglt> (to repaint)
[11:52] <BlankB> oskyldig: when you first boot you should see a option to see boot options...try the recovery mode.
[11:56] <oskyldig> Okay I've got recovery mode running BlankB...  I'm not sure what to do now
[11:56] <BlankB> oskyldig: is it a text only mode?
[11:56] <TheHighChild> Can anyone help me with some USB mounting issues?
[11:56] <oskyldig> Yes BlankB
[11:57] <oskyldig> I have Prompt awating root@OSKY-LAPTOP:~#
[11:58] <cox377> whats the best way to partition a drive that already has kubuntu installed onto it? i wanna make 2 partitions out of the 1 drive?
[12:04] <kane_> cox377: well ... you can resize it
[12:04] <Adam_eM> hi there
[12:05] <Adam_eM> how can i add my scd0 device as local repository ?
[12:05] <cox377> kane_: how do i go about that?
[12:06] <BlankB> !repositoryhowto
[12:06] <ubotu> BlankB: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:06] <BlankB> how about http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
[12:07] <Adam_eM> when i am adding cdrom to apt sources, apt automatically adds cd-rom that i was installing kubuntu from. How can i add the second cd-rom as a source ?
[12:08] <kane_> cox377: well, if you want to install kubuntu on the new partition, then just use the installer
[12:09] <cox377> kane_: i've already installed it, is there anyway of created another partition after that?
[12:09] <kane_> cox377: yes ... you can resize it
[12:09] <kane_> cox377: using qtparted
[12:10] <kane_> cox377: if you have the live CD ... just boot it, and use qtparted to do the job
[12:10] <kane_> it is not recommended to resize a partition that is currently being used actively
[12:10] <cox377> alright i shall give that a while.. thanks
[12:10] <cox377> Ok, is there anyway of doing it?
[12:10] <cox377> ahh do u mean boot the live cd so u are sitting on the live version and then use the app to resize the installed version?
[12:11] <kane_> cox377: yes
[12:11] <BlankB> cox377: If you have any data or time invested into the machine make a backup first. 8)
[12:12] <cox377> Ok thanks for that
[12:12] <cox377> have you got time for a second question?
[12:12] <cox377> ; )
[12:13] <cox377> basically this is my question, i've worked out how to get the shares working by installing samba, i;ve shared a folder but when i try to connect to it via a windows machine it asks for a user name and password.. but i havent set a user name and password
[12:14] <cox377> does anyone know how to make this folder just like a guest share that anyone can access from within the network?
[12:15] <[miles] > morning #kubuntu
[12:16] <[miles] > I have a brief question... I've been running kubuntu since 5.10, and am now running 6.06, and I must admit im impressed.. for many years I've used SuSE... (All though I still use SUSE for all servers)
[12:17] <[miles] > one element I love about SUSE is that I can sync all the updates, and then put on the local LAN or space permiting, a DVD...
[12:17] <[miles] > thus when I want to apply all the YOU updates, its easy...
[12:17] <arafat> !ape
[12:17] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arafat
[12:18] <[miles] > the updating of Kubuntu while nice, seems to totally depend on connection to the internet...
[12:18] <[miles] > or am I being a dumb ass..
[12:18] <arafat> does anyone know of a decoder(into wav, mp3...) for ape files?
[12:21] <cox377> kane_: do u have any ideas on my networking problem?
[12:21] <Kadran> arafat: i guess soungdkonverter could do it
[12:22] <kuzmaster> how can i view all hard drives, mounted or unmounted
[12:22] <cox377> look under storage media
[12:22] <kuzmaster> like, can i see a list of all drives, and what filesystems they have ect?
[12:22] <BlankB> [miles] : check out this link may have something about what you are trying to do http://tinyurl.com/rjy8a
[12:22] <kane_> cox377: your netorking problems ?
[12:22] <cox377> kuzmaster: select storage media on the left
[12:22] <kuzmaster> no, i want a list of all, mounted or un-monted
[12:22] <[miles] > BlankB, ok thanks...
[12:23] <TheHighChild> Anyone know how I can troubleshoot keyboard buffer overflow?
[12:23] <kuzmaster> theres only one hard drive in storage media, and there are 2 hard drives in the system
[12:24] <cox377> kane_: yeh i've shared a drive from within kubuntu, when i try connect to it within windows it asks for a user/pass.. is there anyway of not having a user and pass there so it's a guess folder if u like. I dont even know what the user name and password is
[12:25] <kuzmaster> well, is it possible to view ALL hard drives in the system
[12:25] <kuzmaster> mounted or un-mounted?
[12:25] <BlankB> kuzmaster: fdisk -l
[12:25] <kuzmaster> ok
[12:26] <kuzmaster> sudo?
[12:26] <BlankB> yep.
[12:26] <kuzmaster> k
[12:27] <kuzmaster>  thats what i needed
[12:27] <kuzmaster> thanks
[12:27] <kane_> cox377: no idea ... i dont have a windows machine handy
[12:28] <cox377> :s
[12:28] <cox377> cheers anyway kane
[12:28] <cox377> does the same thng happen within kubuntu machines?
[12:28] <kuzmaster> cox377, have you tried using your kubuntu username/password?
[12:30] <cox377> i shall do cheers
[12:30] <TheHighChild> My dmesg is completely dominated by this , has anyone seen it before? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712674
[12:30] <kuzmaster> cox377, thats just a guess
[12:31] <cox377> yeh unfortunatly no job
[12:31] <cox377> does anyone here use xbox media center?
[12:33] <kuzmaster> i have an original xbox, and windows media center?
[12:33] <cox377> nah
[12:33] <arafat> Kadran: thanks! that worked!:-)
[12:33] <cox377> xbox media center
[12:33] <cox377> it's a piece of software that can be loaded onto a modded xbox
[12:33] <kuzmaster> k
[12:34] <cox377> anyway, it searches for media on share drives, it sees the kubuntu drive but then shows an error when u try and access it
[12:35] <Kadran> arafat: np ;)
[12:39] <jonatan> cox377: why dont you use ccxstream instead?
[12:39] <cox377> whats that mate?
[12:39] <jonatan> streaming protocol specifically for xbmc
[12:40] <jonatan> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Ccxstream
[12:40] <jonatan> try that
[12:41] <cox377> well the thing is, xbmc sees all thw windows shares under workgroup and sees the linux shares under MSSHARE
[12:41] <chavo> TheHighChild, do you have multimedia keys on your keyboard?
[12:41] <cox377> it would be good to see the shares via XBMC but i also wanna see them from other nodes on the network
[12:41] <jonatan> ok
[12:42] <cox377> it must just be a tick box somewhere that says allow all guests
[12:42] <cox377> which i have selected but there must be another
[12:42] <cox377> i can pick up all the windows shares from within Kubuntu
[12:43] <jonatan> ok, hmm.. sorry dont have a winbox here either :/
[12:44] <cox377> lol
[12:44] <cox377> np
[12:45] <cox377> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:45] <cox377> lol i cant work out if thats mounting a linux drive on a windows machine of a windows drive on a linux machine
[12:47] <uniq> cox377: it's mounting a windows-network share permanently in linux.
[12:47] <cox377> ahh
[12:47] <cox377> got that sorted so thats fine
[12:48] <cox377> just need to do it the otherway around
[12:48] <cox377> this must be a simple server question when creating SMB shares
[12:49] <uniq> mth`maw: please don't use public away messages.
[12:49] <fek> moin
[12:50] <uniq> mth`maw: for more info on the topic, most guidelines for #ubuntu also applies to #kubuntu.
[12:50] <uniq> mth`maw: so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:50] <memorice> is there a command (for the konsole) to get the login menu?
[12:50] <uniq> memorice: '/etc/init.d/kdm start'
[12:50] <mth`MAW> sorry
[12:51] <memorice> ok thanks
[12:51] <mth`MAW> will try to fix that... somehow
[12:51] <uniq> mth`maw: not a problem, thanks :)
[12:52] <ubuntu> hello all
[12:52] <uniq> cox377: so you're trying to mount a samba share in windows?
[12:52] <uniq> hi kuzmaster.
[12:53] <kuzmaster> hello
[12:54] <kuzmaster> !grub
[12:54] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:54] <MAW_away> works fine!
[12:54] <uniq> maw_away: great, thank you :)
[12:54] <MAW_away> my pleasure
[12:56] <kuzmaster> is it possible to mount all the drives at once
[12:56] <kuzmaster> !mount
[12:56] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[12:56] <kuzmaster> !windowsdrives
[12:56] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[12:57] <ubuntu> hey
[12:57] <kuzmaster> hey
[12:57] <ubuntu> thus is cox377 but running under live cd
[12:57] <uniq> kuzmaster: 'mount -a' if they are in fstab.
[12:57] <kuzmaster> thought so
[12:57] <ubuntu> how do i use qtparted to change the partition into 2 partitions?
[12:57] <kuzmaster> i was ask if u where in live cd
[12:57] <ubuntu> without loosing all the data?
[12:58] <kuzmaster> hmmmm, i dont no how to do a non-destructive partition
[12:58] <kuzmaster> only no how to do that in mac
[12:58] <ubuntu> who was the guy i was just speaking to about this lol.. cant remember his/hers name off the top of my head
[01:00] <kane_> ubuntu, there is an option to resize it
[01:00] <kane_> i think you just click and drag the edge of the partition to create the free space
[01:01] <Saraux> Excuse me, is there a GUI for Kismet.
[01:01] <uniq> saraux: only the console ui.
[01:02] <keyne> hello guys
[01:02] <kuzmaster> when i try to open a drive in storage it just says this
[01:02] <imbrandon_> Saraux, no
[01:02] <kuzmaster> mount -a
[01:02] <kuzmaster> no
[01:02] <kuzmaster> this
[01:02] <kuzmaster> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:02] <kuzmaster> please note that im in live cd
[01:03] <Saraux> imbrandon_ i've seen a GUI For Kismet... in a movie about WEP.
[01:04] <ubuntu> kane_: yeh it wont let me resize it, i see the option but it's blacked out
[01:05] <kuzmaster> so how can i browse that drive
[01:05] <kuzmaster> cos i need to edit the menu.lst
[01:05] <noaXess_kubuntu> !mp3
[01:05] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <kuzmaster> for grub
[01:07] <kuzmaster> cos it just keeps saying mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i open it
[01:08] <kuzmaster> well?
[01:09] <kuzmaster> how do i open/browse that drive?
[01:09] <kuzmaster> HOW?
[01:10] <Saraux> DOEs anyone wanna go priv and help me with Kismet :) ?
[01:11] <kuzmaster> dont even no what Kismet is
[01:11] <kuzmaster> so ,no i cant
[01:11] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:12] <SayaShi> Kuzmaster:for open it' s : kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:12] <kuzmaster> k
[01:12] <SayaShi> ^^
[01:12] <kuzmaster> will that work for live cd
[01:12] <SayaShi> yeah
[01:12] <kuzmaster> k
[01:12] <kuzmaster> put  kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst in konsole?
[01:12] <SayaShi> yea
[01:13] <kuzmaster> k
[01:13] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:13] <SayaShi> hi
[01:14] <kuzmaster> do i need to be sudo to do kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[01:14] <Pupeno> In a Kubuntu installation (that I am cleaning up), what packages are esential ? kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard ? what else ?
[01:14] <SayaShi> write this commande and it s okay
[01:14] <SayaShi> kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:14] <kuzmaster> k
[01:14] <kuzmaster> that diddnt work
[01:15] <SayaShi> hum
[01:15] <kuzmaster> heres what i got
[01:15] <kuzmaster> and sorry
[01:15] <kuzmaster> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Major opcode:  145
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:15] <SayaShi> do yu have install it
[01:15] <kuzmaster> Failed to open device
[01:15] <SayaShi> or just run at live cd
[01:15] <kuzmaster> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Major opcode:  145
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:15] <scheuri> hi all
[01:15] <kuzmaster> Failed to open device
[01:15] <kuzmaster> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[01:15] <SayaShi> heya
[01:15] <kuzmaster>   Major opcode:  145
[01:16] <kuzmaster>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:16] <kuzmaster>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:16] <kuzmaster> Failed to open device
[01:16] <kuzmaster> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[01:16] <kuzmaster>   Major opcode:  145
[01:16] <kuzmaster>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:16] <kuzmaster>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:16] <kuzmaster> Failed to open device
[01:16] <kuzmaster> thats what i got
[01:16] <kuzmaster> i just ran that at live cd
[01:16] <kuzmaster> but im trying to change that on an installation
[01:16] <kuzmaster> thats already on a hard drive
[01:16] <SayaShi> ah
[01:16] <kuzmaster> why was i kicked?
[01:16] <imbrandon> PLEASE dont paste
[01:16] <Kadran> kuzmaster: use the pastepin
[01:16] <SayaShi> i think cause yur flood
[01:17] <scheuri> kuzmaster: you flooded the channel, dont do that
[01:17] <kuzmaster> i sorry
[01:17] <scheuri> !tell kuzmaster about pastebin
[01:17] <imbrandon> please read the /topic
[01:17] <SayaShi> so for yu i dont k now i have start yesterday
[01:17] <SayaShi> and it s different than mandriva
[01:18] <kuzmaster> so, how can i edit my menu.lst thats on a hard drive installation ,from a live cd installation
[01:18] <kuzmaster> cos i really need to do that
[01:18] <kuzmaster> !grub
[01:18] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[01:18] <scheuri> kuzmaster: you need to mount your harddrive to the live-Linux in your ram
[01:19] <bernier> how ca I know which drivers for my graphic card are runngun?
[01:19] <kuzmaster> yesss....
[01:19] <kuzmaster> wat and how
[01:19] <scheuri> kuzmaster: then you are able to edit files on your HD
[01:19] <SayaShi> ^_^
[01:19] <kuzmaster> ok, can you tell me how?
[01:19] <kuzmaster> ive tried mount -a, but that diddnt work
[01:19] <scheuri> kuzmaster: uhmm...long time not used...your live-linux saw the HD probably as /dev/hda/ (if it is IDE)
[01:20] <scheuri> kuzmaster: is it an IDE-harddisk?
[01:20] <kuzmaster> i can see it in storage media, but i cant open it
[01:21] <scheuri> kuzmaster: ah, okay...what filesystem is on the HD? ReiserFS? Ext2|3?
[01:21] <kuzmaster> ext3
[01:21] <kuzmaster> defult by kubuntu 6.06 installation
[01:21] <scheuri> kuzmaster: and what does "cant open it" mean? problems with permissions or the stuff you just tried to paste?
[01:22] <kuzmaster> it says.... mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:22] <scheuri> kuzmaster: ooookay...lets try to following:
[01:22] <kuzmaster> ok
[01:22] <scheuri> kuzmaster: go to your /media directory and make a new directory with "mkdir" named...I dont know...harddisk or so
[01:23] <scheuri> kuzmaster: lets say you name it harddisk
[01:23] <kuzmaster> slow down
[01:23] <scheuri> kuzmaster: okay...:)
[01:23] <kuzmaster> wheres my media directory
[01:23] <scheuri> kuzmaster: open a terminal
[01:23] <kuzmaster> ok
[01:23] <scheuri> kuzmaster: there you say "cd /media"
[01:23] <kuzmaster> (remember that im in live cd now)
[01:23] <scheuri> kuzmaster: I try to remember...;)
[01:23] <kuzmaster> done
[01:24] <scheuri> kuzmaster: okay, not type "sudo mkdir harddisk"
[01:24] <kuzmaster> type sudo mkdir harddisk?
[01:24] <scheuri> kuzmaster: yes...that makes a new directory called harddisk
[01:24] <kuzmaster> done
[01:25] <scheuri> kuzmaster: this will be our new mountpoint for your real harddisk
[01:25] <kane_> just need to do .. sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdax /media/hdax
[01:25] <kuzmaster> now what?
[01:25] <scheuri> kuzmaster: kane said it already..."sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/harddisk"
[01:25] <kuzmaster> ok
[01:26] <kane_> the mount point for hda1 will already be there
[01:26] <scheuri> kuzmaster: ATTENTION...is the first partition of your harddisk your root-partition?
[01:26] <bernier> how can I know which drivers for my graphic card are running?
[01:26] <scheuri> kane_: is it? oh okay...sorry then
[01:26] <kuzmaster> ummm, i think so
[01:26] <scheuri> kuzmaster: okay, we try then
[01:26] <scheuri> kuzmaster: just mount it...
[01:26] <kane_> kuzmaster: the problem is that the partition is not in your /etc/fstab (which will not be the case if it is your root)
[01:26] <kuzmaster> ysy, its working
[01:26] <kuzmaster> yay, i THINK its working
[01:27] <scheuri> kuzmaster: okay..try now "cd /media/harddisk" and make a "ls -la"
[01:27] <kane_> kuzmaster: you need to use system settings -> System Administration -> Disk and Filesystems ... there enable it
[01:27] <kuzmaster> do i need to do that to edit my menu.lst?
[01:28] <scheuri> kuzmaster: my approach was first to check wether your part with the menu.lst is actually mounted now
[01:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can tell me how can i change the system-time?
[01:29] <kuzmaster> well im editing the menu.lst now
[01:29] <kuzmaster> ?
[01:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am in the timezone of london... but i am in italy..
[01:29] <scheuri> kuzmaster: not, not JUST yet...:)
[01:29] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmph
[01:29] <scheuri> kuzmaster: ls -la is a command to list all files and directory in that directory
[01:29] <scheuri> kuzmaster: useful to see whats there actually
[01:29] <kane_> Tallia1Kubuntu: you have windows on your machine ?
[01:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kane_: nope
[01:29] <kuzmaster> ok
[01:29] <kane_> hmm wiertd
[01:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kane_: wait... you mean M$ windows, or the X system?
[01:30] <scheuri> kuzmaster: so,...I HOPE you have a directory called "boot" in your list after ls -la
[01:30] <kane_> Tallia1Kubuntu: eh ... M*S* Windows
[01:30] <kuzmaster> ummmmm maybe
[01:30] <kane_> as in Microsoft Windows
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: change /etc/timezone (manually or otherwise)
[01:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kane_: no, i don't, why?
[01:30] <scheuri> kuzmaster: lets check by typing "cd boot"
[01:30] <kane_> sometimes it mucks up the time
[01:31] <kuzmaster> straight into terminal?
[01:31] <scheuri> kuzmaster: aye
[01:31] <kuzmaster> k
[01:31] <kane_> Tallia1Kubuntu: anyway you can change it, by right click the clock and adjust date time
[01:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where can i get the timezones names?
[01:31] <kuzmaster> i got no such file or dir
[01:31] <scheuri> kuzmaster: you are already on your harddisk (/media/harddisk) and you are acutally on its filesystem (if you havent done anything wrong
[01:31] <kuzmaster> ok......
[01:31] <animato> hello, if i choose to start an empty session every time i log out of kde, will it lose all of my settings?
[01:31] <scheuri> kuzmaster: when you did the "ls -la" in the directory /media/harddisk was there any output?
[01:32] <kane_> scheuri, kuzmaster, it mght be easier if you use krdc or something ?
[01:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kane_: thn
[01:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> x
[01:32] <scheuri> kane_: never used that before...but yes, it might
[01:33] <animato> ?
[01:33] <scheuri> kane_: on the other hand...it needs full access to its network...if he is using router its a whole new story to approach
[01:33] <kuzmaster> when i did ls -la, in /media/harddisk, it said heaps of things including /boot's and /boot/vmlinuz
[01:34] <kane_> scheuri: haha indeed :)
[01:34] <scheuri> kuzmaster: so type "ls boot*" in your terminal now and tell me what you see
[01:34] <scheuri> kane_: :)
[01:35] <scheuri> kane_: and he needs an account on freenode to send me private messages, right? spreading IPs and passwords in public aint that good...;)
[01:35] <kuzmaster> i get mentions of grub (in purple) and other stuffs
[01:35] <scheuri> kuzmaster: type "cd grub" and then "ls -la" again
[01:36] <TheHighChild> anyone seen this flood their dmesg? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712674
[01:36] <kuzmaster> it say no such file or dir
[01:36] <scheuri> kuzmaster: okay...now I am lost as well...seems we have NOT mounted the correct partition...at least that is my guess
[01:36] <kuzmaster> well im editing the menu.lst
[01:37] <kuzmaster> and only 1 hard drive has that
[01:37] <kuzmaster> i am defintly on the right hard drive
[01:37] <scheuri> kuzmaster: uh? I thought you want to find that file...you are already editing it?
[01:37] <kuzmaster> yeah
[01:37] <scheuri> kuzmaster: ooookkkkayyy...thanks for telling me...;)
[01:37] <kuzmaster> im already editing i
[01:37] <kuzmaster> it**
[01:37] <kuzmaster> and i did before
[01:38] <kuzmaster> "well im editing the menu.lst now"
[01:38] <scheuri> kuzmaster: uhmm...sorry then...thought you wanted to access your local harddrive from live-cd
[01:38] <kuzmaster> I DO
[01:38] <kuzmaster> AND I AM
[01:38] <scheuri> lol...calm down
[01:38] <kuzmaster> lol
[01:38] <scheuri> my bad...misunderstanding
[01:38] <_rocky> Hi can anyone help me with a smal rob
[01:39] <_rocky> *prob
[01:39] <kuzmaster> now, where do i change the hard drive for kubuntu in menu.lst
[01:39] <kuzmaster> i need to change it form had to hab
[01:39] <kuzmaster> i need to change it from hda to hdb
[01:39] <scheuri> hda to hdb?
[01:39] <scheuri> ah
[01:39] <kuzmaster> yeah
[01:40] <kuzmaster> so how?
[01:40] <scheuri> kuzmaster: somwhere there is "hd(0,)
[01:40] <kuzmaster> yes
[01:40] <scheuri> kuzmaster: hd(0,0)
[01:40] <kuzmaster> there is
[01:41] <kuzmaster> "root		(hd0,0)"
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> you don't change it in grub (if only hdb is present it still is hd0)
[01:41] <kuzmaster> whaat should i change that to?
[01:41] <scheuri> kuzmaster: change it something like root(hd1,0)
[01:41] <scheuri> oh
[01:41] <kuzmaster> ok
[01:41] <kuzmaster> ill try
[01:41] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: are you sure?
[01:42] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: isnt the first number the physical drive and the second the partition?
[01:42] <kuzmaster> i have2 hard drive in the system
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> scheuri: It is but if there is only one drive on that controller it becomes hd0
[01:43] <kuzmaster> im positive it should be root(1,0)
[01:43] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: that is true...
[01:43] <scheuri> kuzmaster: well then...try and reboot...after closing menu.lst and saving it
[01:43] <kuzmaster> there, ill re-star now and c if it will work
[01:44] <scheuri> kuzmaster: otherweise you know now which part of menu.lst to check
[01:44] <akudewan> Hi, I was using Gnome earlier, but now I'm using KDE. I have installed the kubuntu-desktop meta-package. Now I wish to remove Gnome completely. What is the safest method of doing this?
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.com/712754 (that is mine hd0 is the only thing mentioned) I only have hdb (hda died)
[01:44] <scheuri> akudewan: aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop...at least I think so
[01:44] <pgquiles> why is there ruby 1.8.2 and ruby 1.8.4 in dapper? And the "ruby" package is the oldest version, what a mess!
[01:45] <akudewan> scheuri: thanks :)
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> akudewan: That will only work if you have only being installing things with aptitude
[01:45] <pussfeller> I hope this update fixes teh thing where teh context menu hangs when I right click on something on the desktop and then it never shows up and the kstart menu and the Desktop go blank
[01:45] <scheuri> akudewan: dont forget the sudo in front of it
[01:45] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: thanks for info...
[01:46] <scheuri> pgquiles: probably because dependency-issues
[01:46] <akudewan> I haven't been using aptitude. I use either synaptic or apt-get directly. So will "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" do the trick?
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> no
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> (and aptitude will probably want to remove aload of packages)
[01:46] <_rocky> okay I'm outta here cya
[01:46] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: no as in "not completely" or as in "not at all"
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> It will just remove the metapackage (because it doesn't have the info about the dependancies)
[01:47] <scheuri> ah, true
[01:48] <akudewan> i see
[01:48] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: on the other hand...deinstalling some gnome-programm led into a remove of metapackage as well...because of aptitude?
[01:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys.... i was wondering if it exists something REALLY simple to write a little webserver that make something similar to the ubuntu wikipage
[01:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> not to write sorry, to create or better to use.....
[01:49] <scheuri> Tallia1Kubuntu: well, have you tried apache? lighthttpd?
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> by now when i discover something new i use to add it to a personal "tips" webpage.. but it is getting bigger and bigger..
[01:49] <scheuri> Tallia1Kubuntu: ah, sorry...you meant to software itself for the wiki
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: why not just add to the ubuntu wiki?
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> scheuri: That is just because they are a dependancy of ubuntu-desktop end if that was not removed it would be marked as a broken package which aptitude tries to avoid
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> scheuri: i use httpfs as a web server.
[01:49] <scheuri> h3sp4wn: I see...thanks
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: because sometimes they are VERY SIMPLE things
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like remembering that the "hidden parameter" for glxgears is -printfps
[01:50] <scheuri> Tallia1Kubuntu: but I guess also simple things may help other people and beginners
[01:50] <scheuri> Tallia1Kubuntu: maybe you just add it to a already existing article in the ubuntu wiki?
[01:51] <kuzmaster> IT WORKS
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you think something as simple as this would interest other people?
[01:51] <scheuri> kuzmaster: great...:)
[01:51] <kuzmaster> yeah, now i just need to mount a ntfs disk at start up
[01:51] <scheuri> kuzmaster: good luck with that...;)
[01:51] <[-Ghost-] > hello, good day all
[01:51] <scheuri> got to go...thanks a lot to all...see you around
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: futhermore, to write something in the ubuntu wiki you need a minimum of structure...
[01:51] <kuzmaster> do you know how i gould to that?
[01:52] <kuzmaster> !ntfs
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: that is true
[01:52] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[01:52] <kuzmaster> !winfstab
[01:52] <ubotu> an NTFS partition in fstab should look like this: /dev/hda1 / /mnt/windows ntfs user,umask=0222 0 0
[01:53] <Pupeno> Hello.
[01:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: after a year of linux i am still a beginner.. sometimes my reminders are simply how to use something.. e.g.: to transform a file between formats i use: ffmpeg -i input.avi -target pal-dv output.dv
[01:53] <[-Ghost-] > hoping to install kubuntu (love the new live dvd) on my vacation next week, and just trying to find alternates to all my windoze software, anyone know what's a good irc client with fserve ability?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: ah okay
[01:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: i don't think a wiki is necessary for doing something like this
[01:54] <Pupeno> What packages make a basic Kubuntu installation ? I have kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-standard, yet synaptic wants to remove basic packages such as adduser because they are not needed ?
[01:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: you know something i'd really like to see in linux? sometimes manpages are awkward, and most of the times programs are used to do simple stuffs
[01:55] <chavo> Tallia1Kubuntu, open up konqueror and type man:appname
[01:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee:  i'd like something similar to the man command, where instead of the extensive explanation of the command, i could read some examples
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Pupeno: that doesnt seem right....
[01:56] <kuzmaster> my god, mounting ntfs at start-up is easy as
[01:56] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: there's a section called Examples in many man pages. Getting more examples is just a matter of writing them and submitting them.
[01:56] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: man rsync for a example of examples.
[01:56] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: I know.
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: Are you using aptitude ?
[01:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Pupeno: submitting?
[01:57] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: yes.
[01:57] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, sending it to the maintainer of the program that shipped the man page.
[01:58] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: and in many cases, info pages are the authoritative documentation, check them as well.
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: Do you use interactive aptitude ? the easiest way would be to just keep all of the packages that you know you need
[01:58] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: I use both, interactive and non-interactive.
[01:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Pupeno: authoritative?
[01:58] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: the main one.
[01:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i se
[01:59] <kbrooks> see you later
[01:59] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: I don't know what packages I need (I want all the packages that I don't need but depend on one that I need to me marked as automatic, so they can be automatically removed, I keep my system that way, this is my wife's computer).
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: If you ever use apt-get even once then that is why it gets like this (did you install from the livecd ?)
[02:01] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: I know why it gets like this. I am trying to solve it. This was a breezy installation than I am upgrading to dapper.
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: Doing a debootstrap and just doing dpkg dump would be the cleanest way
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: Then you can find out what you have
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> Puperno: Make sure you don't have any junk left over you don't need
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was reading LinuxMagazine, there was an article about ubuntu, and it was written in there that the creator of ubuntu is OFTEN in iRC
[02:03] <Pupeno> oh, somehow, ubuntu-standard got uninstalled.
[02:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is that true? where? .... just curious
[02:03] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: that's what I've been doing for 4 hours.
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: debootstrap into another directory ?>
[02:05] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: If you have /home on another partition - and the ouput of dpkg dump then that would be enough to put a clean dapper together
[02:05] <Pupeno> oh, somehow, ubuntu-standard got uninstalled.
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: That would probably take about an hour tops to do
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?? somebody can tell if i can find the ubuntu "creator" online?
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: haha, i just tried didiwiki.. that was what i was searching for :)
[02:07] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: what do you want him for ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: yay
[02:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Pupeno: i just want to see if it was true
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: who in particular are you asking about?
[02:07] <Pupeno> h3sp4wn: what is that good for ? and why would I do it when aptitude install ubuntu-standard kubuntu-desktop solves it.
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> Pupeno: Its cleaner (you mentioned about having clean systems)
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: about what? didiwiki has even an integrated web server.. and it VERY lightweight
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> perfect  :)
[02:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Pupeno: is he here?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> [22:06]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?? somebody can tell if i can find the ubuntu "creator" online?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> who would you be reffering to?
[02:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the first person that thaught to create ubuntu :(
[02:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[02:09] <Pupeno> Tallia1Kubuntu: I don't know, and I don't care.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: if you mean sabdfl, no.  but there's hardly only one person that works on the distro
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: i didn't mean the whole developer group, just the person who had the idea :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: sabdfl.  he's on very very rarely
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: Mark Shuttleworth
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ahah, yes sabdfl
[02:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, also known as sabdfl.  very rarely online, very busy
[02:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah, i can bet :) he have done a great job though
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: you really think that this can be pulled off wiht one person though?  :P
[02:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: absolutely not..
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> He is in #ubuntu-meeting sometimes it appears (if he is doing the meeting) maybe he as a secretary who does it for him
[02:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: are you one of the people in the team too?
[02:12] <amarokker> I am getting timed out of the dictionary server i am running on my PC, any ideas why?
[02:13] <Hobbsee_> anyone say anything interesting?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> anyone say anything interesting?
[02:14] <rob> ?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: was talking, and i timed out...
[02:15] <Tommy2k4> where can i set my default browser to opera
[02:15] <[-Ghost-] > is there a channel for people looking to switch to kubuntu to ask software questions?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> [-Ghost-] : sure, here
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: system settings
[02:16] <[-Ghost-] > k, asked one earlier but it must have been overlooked
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: kde components
[02:16] <[-Ghost-] > hoping to install kubuntu (love the new live dvd) on my vacation next week, and just trying to find alternates to all my windoze software, anyone know what's a good irc client with fserve ability?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> [-Ghost-] : quite likely
[02:16] <Hobbsee> fserve?  dont know what that is
[02:16] <kuzmaster> !mp3
[02:16] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:17] <[-Ghost-] > scripts for sharing files over irc basically
[02:17] <Tommy2k4> ty
[02:17] <Tommy2k4> fserve kinda like xdcc?
[02:17] <kuzmaster> !sudo
[02:17] <ubotu> [sudo]  a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:17] <kuzmaster> !root
[02:18] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> [-Ghost-] : i belive that's usually done by DCC
[02:18] <[-Ghost-] > yes, xdcc or a triggered fserve chat window session to browse and request files
[02:18] <Hobbsee> [-Ghost-] : probably a good idea to google it though, if you have a specific requirement
[02:19] <[-Ghost-] > i've been trying google but the only resules i've seen are for scripts like oblivion, not updated for 2-3 years
[02:19] <Hobbsee> [-Ghost-] : usual clients are konversation, kvirc, xchat, irssi, or a few other things
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> Ghost: What about polaris that always used to be the best
[02:19] <[-Ghost-] > there's a polaris script for a linux client?
[02:19] <[-Ghost-] > oooh, i loved polaris, used it in windoze mirc for years
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> I don't know but most of the f serves all run that
[02:20] <[-Ghost-] > yeah, i just assumed they were all M$ users.....shows what assumptions do for ya, lol
[02:20] <[-Ghost-] > that's basically what i'm looking for tho, something similar
[02:21] <Tommy2k4> is there a global hotkey to open konsole
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: heard of katapult?
[02:22] <Tommy2k4> no
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[02:22] <ubotu> it has been said that katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: heard of quicksilver, for osx?
[02:22] <Tommy2k4> no
[02:22] <chavo> Tommy2k4, I don't thinks so but it's easy to set up
[02:22] <Hobbsee> oh, okay then :P
[02:22] <chavo> osx?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> chavo: OSX, macs, whatever they're called these days
[02:23] <TheHighChild> hey chavo, can I pick your brain for a moment?
[02:23] <chavo> you may not like what you find in there
[02:23] <TheHighChild> It
[02:23] <TheHighChild> s been of great assistance previously
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> -Ghost-: I haven't used it since 1999 - But I managed to convert the mirc script to perl (with the help of someone who I worked with - who was a perl master)
[02:24] <TheHighChild> chavo:  Any idea what this is? It floods my dmesg http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712674
[02:24] <tobberoth> Can someone help me get sound working on Kubuntu? I only get mp3s working.
[02:24] <Tommy2k4> u need more codecs
[02:24] <chavo> TheHighChild, I saw that earlier, do you have multimedia keys on your keyboard
[02:24] <Tommy2k4> its what im trying to do right now
[02:25] <Tommy2k4> !wma
[02:25] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. This page's intent is to enable you to play most non-free media formats that are not DRM encoded. Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats.
[02:25] <tobberoth> Tommy2k4, you mean I need more codecs to play KDEs original sounds O.o?
[02:25] <Tommy2k4> oh
[02:25] <tobberoth> I mean like really basic stuff, even kubuntu doesn't make a single sound.
[02:25] <Tommy2k4> im trying to get wma to work
[02:25] <TheHighChild> chavo: Yeah, I have a Logitec Elite
[02:25] <tobberoth> gah, i ment Kopete, not Kubuntu hehe
[02:25] <chavo> that's what it is then
[02:26] <TheHighChild> chavo: I don't recall having this problem before, is there a way to fix it?
[02:26] <tobberoth> Would be awesome if someone could help me or point me where to go
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> issue: a dell laptop has no problem finding and using a wireless conection when using the Lice CD\
[02:26] <Tommy2k4> tobberoth: did u check they're enabled in kopete preferences
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> but, it does not work after installation
[02:26] <TheHighChild> Tommy2k4:  version 9?
[02:26] <chavo> TheHighChild, do the keys work?
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> anyone know what can be the problem?>
[02:26] <tobberoth> Tommy2k4: Yeah, I did :( Nothing in Kubuntu plays a single sound, except AmaroK playing mp3s
[02:26] <TheHighChild> chavo: no
[02:26] <[-Ghost-] > h3sp4wn: ah, i don't have the luxury of having a perl guru handy
[02:27] <Hobbsee> !bug
[02:27] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:27] <chavo> TheHighChild, here's a little how-to on the gentoo wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys
[02:27] <TheHighChild> chavo: I've never really used them. They're pretty lame
[02:27] <chavo> you can set them up to do anything though
[02:27] <TheHighChild> ok, I thought gentoo used xfree86
[02:27] <TheHighChild> thanks
[02:27] <chavo> or nothing at all
[02:28] <chavo> the messages in dmesg are harmless though
[02:29] <kuzmaster> am i able to install xgl, if i have onboard graphics
[02:29] <chavo> kuzmaster, possibly
[02:30] <kuzmaster> is it safe to install?
[02:30] <chavo> kuzmaster, I installed it on my laptop, but only an intgrated i810 and it was unusable
[02:30] <kuzmaster> hmmmm
[02:30] <[-Ghost-] > off to google some more in depth, thanks for the comments/feedback folks :)
[02:30] <kuzmaster> so i shouldnt in stallit
[02:30] <kuzmaster> install//
[02:30] <chavo> what's your card?
[02:31] <kuzmaster> umm, i dont have a card
[02:31] <kuzmaster> i have onboard
[02:31] <chavo> well that's what I mean, which chipset
[02:31] <kuzmaster> ummm, i THINK its intell
[02:31] <kuzmaster> how would i find out?
[02:31] <Tommy2k4> how come amarok will play wma but xmms wont
[02:32] <chavo> Tommy2k4, they use different output engines
[02:32] <Tommy2k4> how would i make xmms play it?
[02:33] <tobberoth> Where do I find the settings for KDE sounds? I want to disable KDE default sounds.
[02:34] <kuzmaster> how would i find out what chipset i have?
[02:35] <chavo> tobberoth, Settings, Sound and Multimedia, System Notifications
[02:35] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: lspci?
[02:35] <kuzmaster> in konsole?
[02:35] <tobberoth> chavo: Thanks
[02:35] <chavo> lspci
[02:35] <kuzmaster> sudo?
[02:35] <chavo> no
[02:35] <kuzmaster> k
[02:35] <Tommy2k4> how can i enable wma in xmms
[02:36] <kuzmaster> ummmmmm, ill paste bin it
[02:36] <kuzmaster> !pastebin
[02:36] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[02:36] <gil> can someone please help me with an update that adept is asking for...i am not sure if what it means?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> gil: pastebin it?
[02:37] <Tommy2k4> can mplayer open .m3u files
[02:38] <Tommy2k4> !opera
[02:38] <ubotu> download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ (breezy) or http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-284/intel-linux/ (dapper) to install see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> weekly-333 solves alot of bugs (if you are installing the beta of opera 9 - for dapper)
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> or you can take the breezy deb apart and remove the xlibs dependancy
[02:39] <[Nige] > hi all
[02:40] <Tommy2k4> wheres sources.list
[02:40] <[Nige] > anyone have a working ati-bigdesktop conf with the new ati drivers?
[02:41] <kuzmaster> heres my output from lspci
[02:41] <kuzmaster> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712837
[02:41] <kuzmaster> so from that can you tell me what chipset my onboard graphics are
[02:41] <kuzmaster> and if i can/cannot get xgl
[02:42] <kuzmaster> pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
[02:42] <gil> Hobbsee:most of the updates it asks for are standard...whati am uncertain about is the request to install Linux-Image-2.6.15-25-386
[02:42] <chavo> it'a a Sis
[02:42] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:42] <Hobbsee> gil: it's a security update
[02:42] <kuzmaster> would it be bad to get xgl
[02:42] <kuzmaster> like, would it be good with that chipset?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> Does sis not have fully opensource drivers ?
[02:42] <chavo> kuzmaster, I don't think that's going to happen :(
[02:43] <gil> ok
[02:43] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:43] <gil> so i should install it
[02:43] <gil> ??
[02:43] <kuzmaster> so i shouldnt get xgl?
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: If it is using fully open soruce drivers try aiglx
[02:44] <edneymatias> morning!
[02:44] <kuzmaster> ahha
[02:44] <kuzmaster> how do i know if its using fully open soruce drivers
[02:45] <Healot> the package author will say so
[02:45] <kuzmaster> fully open soruce drivers
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: Run glxinfo - check for direct rendering
[02:45] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:45] <kuzmaster> sudo?
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> not needed
[02:46] <skeja> salve a tutti
[02:46] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:46] <wapgeek> can any1 tell me how to configure 2nd eth? 1 is already configured with public ip
[02:47] <kuzmaster> heres my output of glxinfo...http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/712847
[02:48] <kuzmaster> so, am i using fully open soruce drivers
[02:48] <wapgeek> tryin from last 3 days lol
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> kunmaster: Can you run glxgears (at a reasonable speed)
[02:49] <kuzmaster> it says on line 4, direct rendering: no
[02:49] <kuzmaster> ill check
[02:49] <kuzmaster> ummm, i can run it, but i think its a bit slow
[02:50] <Tommy2k4> how can i apt-get opera?
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> You need accelerated 3d working
[02:50] <Tommy2k4> i added the repository
[02:50] <kuzmaster> it went fast at first, then slow at sudden
[02:50] <ChefWill> anyone had their taskbar, clock and random applets disappear?
[02:50] <Tommy2k4> and when i apt-get install opera-static it says i have the newest when im pretty sure i dont
[02:50] <kuzmaster> how do i get accelerated 3d working?
[02:51] <ChefWill> Tommy2k4: just cause you do that doesnt mean the source has the newest version, if you want the absolute newest version youll have to get it right from the source
[02:51] <ChefWill> Tommy2k4: you have the newest version that the reposistories have
[02:51] <kuzmaster> how do i get accelerated 3d working?
[02:51] <Tommy2k4> so they might not of updated the repos
[02:51] <ChefWill> might want to stop repeating kuzmaster
[02:51] <kuzmaster> sorry
[02:51] <kuzmaster> ;(
[02:52] <kuzmaster> lol
[02:53] <Tommy2k4> i was just assuming that since the repository is hosted by itself it should be updated to the latest
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: which repo?
[02:54] <[Nige] > baaah big desktop
[02:54] <OutoLumo> HELP! My network isn't working....
[02:54] <Hobbsee> OutoLumo: more info
[02:55] <OutoLumo> Kubuntu dapper, updated lasst sunday from breezy
[02:55] <Tommy2k4> http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/dists/unstable/non-free
[02:55] <ernesto> hola
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Tommy2k4: ah okay
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey ernesto
[02:55] <Hobbsee> OutoLumo: wired or wireless?
[02:55] <ernesto> que tal
[02:55] <OutoLumo> wired It gets the DHCP lease, but ping and DNS don't work
[02:56] <OutoLumo> LAN
[02:56] <Tommy2k4> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Automatic_Login_No_Authentication is that the easiest / best way to autologin
[02:56] <ernesto> que tal estas sankar
[02:57] <ChefWill> Tommy2k4: no ust go to login manager>auto login
[02:57] <ChefWill> just*
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ernesto: english only please
[02:58] <OutoLumo> Hobbsee, what else do you want to know?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> anyone know what language that is?
[02:58] <ChefWill> spanish
[02:58] <chavo> its spanish Hobbsee ,
[02:58] <chavo> !es
[02:58] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> OutoLumo: hmmm.... try sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0
[02:58] <Hobbsee> chavo: thanks mate
[02:59] <ernesto> es la primera vez que entro en un sitio de estos
[02:59] <ernesto> desconozco la mecanica
[02:59] <OutoLumo> Hobbsee, done. Result: wont even find any DHCP offers. (It finds them if I take the plug out, though)
[03:00] <ChefWill> ernesto: #kubuntu-es por favor
[03:00] <ernesto> solamente hablo espaol
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !es
[03:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> OutoLumo: eek
[03:00] <OutoLumo> Also, ping & dns wont work with static settings either...
[03:02] <OutoLumo> Hobbs, I mean: It wont find dhcp if i ifdown;ifup, but finds if I also unplug and plug
[03:02] <Hobbsee> OutoLumo: i dont know, sorry
[03:02] <OutoLumo> etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf files are ok.
[03:03] <OutoLumo> any ideas?
[03:04] <ChefWill> your best best is probably a forum
[03:04] <ChefWill> ive never heard of that happening
[03:04] <OutoLumo> which forum?
[03:04] <ChefWill> idk, there are tons
[03:04] <ChefWill> linuxforums, ubuntuforums kubuntuforums
[03:05] <ChefWill> all three of those are high traffic
[03:05] <Hobbsee> !forum
[03:05] <ubotu> forum is, like, totally, try asking your question at the ubuntu web forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:05] <r0xz> OutuLumo: have your tried putting the # The primary network interface in /etc/network/interfaces on eth1 instead of eth0?
[03:06] <r0xz> (at my computer dapper took eth1 instead of eth0, both with updating and fresh install(i have two NIC's here..))
[03:06] <OutoLumo> r0xz, no, and I don't see why: I only have one network interface, and that interface is given the correct ip-number by dhcp-server...
[03:06] <r0xz> ise
[03:06] <r0xz> *see
[03:15] <OutoLumo> It seems there have been some problems with recent kernel update...
[03:23] <dj_baggio> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:23] <dj_baggio> ugh :] 
[03:23] <dj_baggio> no here :)
[03:30] <r0xz> OutoLumo:  that sounds possible, seeing that i have seen more people asking this the last week
[03:31] <r0xz> sorry i can't help though
[03:32] <Tommy2k4> i set kde to use opera as default browser and when i click links in gaim it still opens in konqueror :(
[03:33] <kuzmaster> how do i use 3d deskto
[03:33] <kuzmaster> 3d desktop**
[03:33] <kuzmaster> i found it in adept, and i have installed it but i dont know how to use it
[03:33] <MrObvious> Tommy2k4: In Gaim, push Tools -> Preferences, then push browser tab.
[03:33] <Tommy2k4> ty
[03:34] <kuzmaster> how do i use 3d desktop?
[03:34] <MrObvious> I don't know what that is kuzmaster
[03:34] <TheHighChild> !xgl
[03:34] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:34] <LjL> TheHighChild: it's not XGL
[03:34] <kuzmaster> i found it in adept
[03:34] <kuzmaster> its one of the first packages
[03:35] <kuzmaster> its call 3ddesktop
[03:35] <kuzmaster> call**
[03:35] <TheHighChild> no? My bad, I must have misunderstood someones explaination to me the other day
[03:35] <LjL> kuzmaster: have you read the documentation included?
[03:35] <LjL> the man page is called "3ddesk"
[03:35] <kuzmaster> where are they?
[03:35] <LjL> also, dpkg -L 3ddesktop will show all the files, including documentation
[03:35] <kuzmaster> put dpkg -L 3ddesktop into konsole?
[03:36] <LjL> yes, that will list all the files contained in 3ddesktop
[03:36] <kuzmaster> ok
[03:36] <LjL> files in /usr/share/doc/3ddesktop will be documentatiom
[03:36] <LjL> n
[03:36] <LjL> as well as "man 3ddesk"
[03:37] <LjL> also, try "zless /usr/share/doc/3ddesktop/README.gz", that's probably the document you need most
[03:37] <LjL> (when a text file has a ".gz" extension, you need to open it with zless, because it's compressed)
[03:37] <chavo> kuzmaster, just run 3ddesktop from the command line
[03:37] <chavo> to use it normally, make a key combo to run it
[03:37] <Tommy2k4> how do i untar
[03:38] <LjL> MrObvious: XGL is a step forward to offloading GUI operations to the graphics card's 3D acceleration.
[03:38] <MAW_away> tar xvf file.tar
[03:38] <chavo> MrObvious, I use xgl and really don't like transparency, it's about way more than that
[03:38] <MAW_away> if it is gunzipped
[03:38] <MAW_away> tar xxvf file.tar.gz
[03:38] <MAW_away> bunzipped:
[03:39] <MAW_away> tar xjvf file.tar.gz
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> ty
[03:39] <MAW_away> correction gunzipped:
[03:39] <MrObvious> LjL: chavo: What is it then?
[03:39] <LjL> MrObvious: 3D acceleration today is very powerful (for obvious reasons), and I'm convinced that starting to use it for normal GUI drawing will benefit in many ways, given that 2D acceleration isn't nearly as actively developed
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> ive just been gunzipping before untarring
[03:39] <MAW_away> tar xzvf file.tar.gz
[03:39] <MAW_away> ^^  do it in one step like this
[03:39] <Tommy2k4> ty
[03:39] <MAW_away> mp
[03:40] <LjL> MrObvious: well, what you *see* are the effects: transparency, wobbling windows, 3D desktops, etc... however, i think that's the (visible) tip of the iceberg.
[03:40] <MrObvious> Basically making computers more fun to use?
[03:40] <LjL> MrObvious: no (well, also), making computers faster
[03:41] <Tommy2k4> when an installer says i must logout the session then back in does it really mean i should
[03:41] <Tommy2k4> cos in windows you normally dont have to
[03:41] <LjL> besides, the "fun" effects have actual uses too. the real-time zooming is useful. the "gummy" windows create a feedback that some users may appreciate productivity-wise (i.e. they'd be able to "feel" their desktop better, and thus use it quicker)
[03:44] <chavo> I like the shadows and the wobbly effect. And the expose like thing is cool. That and the alt-tab have real time images of the windows
[03:48] <kuzmaster> where is my ~/folder
[03:48] <chavo> kuzmaster, your home, just hit cd
[03:48] <kuzmaster> ok, thanx
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> can qparted resise ext3 partitions reliably ?
[03:49] <kuzmaster> is this it /home/USERNAME?
[03:49] <kuzmaster> is that my home folder?
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:50] <kuzmaster> ok ,thanxs
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> ~ == the value of $HOME
[03:53] <kuzmaster> im trying to use http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/theme/royale/ this theme
[03:54] <kuzmaster> but i dont quite seem to follow the instructions
[03:54] <kuzmaster> can somone please help me with it
[03:54] <imbrandon> yes ~/ is your /home/username
[03:54] <imbrandon> hello kuzmaster
[03:54] <kuzmaster> i have downloaded and extracted the .debs
[03:54] <kuzmaster> hello
[03:55] <imbrandon> extracted them ?
[03:55] <imbrandon> you mean run dpkg on them like the howto said ?
[03:55] <kuzmaster> yeah
[03:55] <imbrandon> ok
[03:55] <kuzmaster> and put those pics in the home folder
[03:55] <kuzmaster> but then what
[03:55] <kuzmaster> i cant seem to do the next stage
[03:56] <imbrandon> what about it ? i put exactly step by step
[03:56] <kuzmaster> i cant find kbfx from the left
[03:56] <kuzmaster> in system settings --> appearance
[03:56] <imbrandon> you might need to restart kde , some poeple have to
[03:56] <kuzmaster> grunt, ok
[03:56] <kuzmaster> whats the shortcut for that agian?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:57] <imbrandon> k menu --> logout
[03:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:57] <kuzmaster> thanks, here it goes
[03:58] <imbrandon> wb
[03:59] <kuzmaster> thanxs, its there now
[03:59] <imbrandon> np , i'll add that to the howto when i update it
[03:59] <kuzmaster> k, i was about to say that
[03:59] <imbrandon> the rest should go smooth just like the instructions
[04:00] <kuzmaster> k
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone else have the problem (since yesterdays update of kde 3.5.3 that whenever you leave a channel you get \: Unknown command
[04:02] <svivian> Why would DRI not be loading? When I run fglrxinfo, I get the error Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". But in xorg.conf, I have a line in modules for load DRI. How can I check to see if DRI is available?
[04:03] <imbrandon> svivian, do you also have a section dri with something like 0666 in it ?
[04:03] <svivian> imbrandon: Yes, that is present down at the end of xorg.conf
[04:03] <imbrandon> hmm ok past that i dont know i dont use ati
[04:04] <kuzmaster> thanks imbrandon, its all working now
[04:04] <imbrandon> good kuzmaster totaly done ?
[04:04] <kuzmaster> yep
[04:04] <imbrandon> kool
[04:05] <imbrandon> glad someone likes it ;)
[04:05] <kuzmaster> is it possible to stop the minimized applications from going grey when you mouse over?
[04:05] <djkoock> how is changed the language from root?
[04:05] <imbrandon> nope :(
[04:05] <kuzmaster> brunt
[04:06] <kuzmaster> grunt**
[04:07] <djkoock> how is changed the language from root?
[04:07] <djkoock> how is changed the language from root?
[04:07] <imbrandon> !repeat
[04:07] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you.  You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Please give it 10 to 15 minutes before asking a second time, thanks.
[04:10] <chavo> kuzmaster, are you talking about mousing over the taskbar and it turning into a button?
[04:10] <imbrandon> chavo, yes
[04:10] <chavo> you can turn it off, but it's a hidden setting
[04:11] <imbrandon> ohhhhhh
[04:11] <imbrandon> nice where lol
[04:11] <kuzmaster> yeah, where?
[04:11] <chavo> look in ~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc
[04:11] <chavo> if it's not there create it
[04:12] <chavo> then look for -> [Appearance]  section
[04:12] <imbrandon> chavo, all thats in there for mine is
[04:12] <imbrandon> [$Version] 
[04:12] <imbrandon> update_info=kickerrc.upd:kde_3_5_taskbarEnums
[04:12] <imbrandon> thats it
[04:12] <kuzmaster> same for me
[04:12] <chavo> if it's not there put it in
[04:12] <chavo> with the brackets
[04:12] <kuzmaster> put what in there?
[04:12] <chavo> [Appearance] 
[04:13] <kuzmaster> in line 3?
[04:13] <imbrandon> kuzmaster, yea
[04:13] <imbrandon> ok
[04:13] <chavo> then under that put this -> ShowButtonOnHover=false
[04:13] <kuzmaster> k
[04:13] <imbrandon> nice
[04:13] <imbrandon> is there a list of these somewhere ?
[04:13] <chavo> now- dcop kicker kicker restart
[04:13] <imbrandon> settings ?
[04:13] <chavo> it's in the source code
[04:13] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:13] <imbrandon> lol
[04:13] <chavo> there's a couple more
[04:14] <imbrandon> what about font face and color ?
[04:14] <chavo> well there's a file that shows all of the settings
[04:14] <kuzmaster> do i put dcop kicker kicker restart into konsole?
[04:14] <chavo> you can change font but not color
[04:14] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:14] <kuzmaster> do i put dcop kicker kicker restart into konsole?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kuzmaster: yes
[04:14] <kuzmaster> thanks
[04:15] <imbrandon> very nice chavo works perfect
[04:15] <chavo> do you have the fancy tooltips turned on?
[04:15] <imbrandon> i guess so, the big tool tips
[04:15] <chavo> try this one
[04:16] <chavo> ShowThumbnails=true
[04:16] <chavo> ThumbnailMaxDimension=400
[04:16] <chavo> well 400 might be too big it's kinda slow here
[04:16] <imbrandon> heh
[04:17] <imbrandon> whats that change? i see no diffrence
[04:17] <imbrandon> from 400 to 100
[04:17] <kuzmaster> all those edits are making a difference
[04:17] <kuzmaster> for me
[04:17] <chavo> the size of the thumbnail
[04:18] <chavo> If it was tied into xgl it would be much quicker
[04:18] <imbrandon> i i guess i dont, i just get the icons
[04:18] <chavo> you put both lines?
[04:18] <imbrandon> yea
[04:18] <imbrandon> and restarted kicker
[04:18] <chavo> hmm that's wierd
[04:19] <chavo> it makes little thumbnails of the window
[04:19] <chavo> but like I said it's kinda slow, probably why it's undocumented
[04:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:20] <imbrandon> i might look at the kicker source later and hack font color support in
[04:21] <linuxmonkey> lol imbrandon
[04:21] <imbrandon> heya linuxmonkey
[04:22] <|lostbyte|> How important is the speed option in a pppd script ?
[04:22] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey, i just posted the mark shuttleworth interview on buntudot.org
[04:22] <linuxmonkey> hey imbrandon ever have issues with printers?
[04:22] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey, i try not to use them lol
[04:23] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:23] <chavo> yeah that keeps printer issues to a minimum
[04:23] <imbrandon> |lostbyte|, when i was on dialup ( many years ago ) i set it to 1152
[04:24] <imbrandon> serouisly linuxmonkey i RARELY use a printer and when i do my HP "Just Works"(tm)
[04:24] <kuzmaster> imbrandon, can you please put your ~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc in pastebin
[04:24] <kuzmaster> please
[04:24] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:25] <n0> how to mount ntfs system with read|write  rights?
[04:25] <kuzmaster> !ntfs
[04:25] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[04:25] <|lostbyte|> imbrandon, OK, Thing is. I am on a DSL at 256 Kbps. So to what value i got to set it ?
[04:25] <imbrandon> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713008
[04:25] <n0> !ntfs
[04:25] <kuzmaster> n0, i already said that
[04:25] <imbrandon> |lostbyte|, your using pppd on dsl ?
[04:25] <mbm1980> Hello, in "Konqueror->Settings->Configure->Previews & Meta-Data" the maximum file size for previews is only 100 MB. Is it possible to go above that? Maybe in a config file?
[04:25] <chavo> imbrandon ah you missed one line for the thumbnails
[04:25] <n0> so i can't write to ntfs system?
[04:26] <chavo> ShowThumbnails=true
[04:26] <kuzmaster> n0, not safely
[04:26] <imbrandon> chavo, ??
[04:26] <imbrandon> ahh lol
[04:26] <|lostbyte|> imbrandon, :P ! yes, i am using a speedtouch modem.
[04:26] <n0> with fat32 same?
[04:27] <imbrandon> n0, fat32 linux can read/write
[04:27] <imbrandon> ahh chavo that fixed it , thanks
[04:27] <n0> thnx
[04:27] <n0> i'll try:)
[04:27] <linuxmonkey> can anyone have a look at http://pastebin.ca/66184 <--Printer issues
[04:28] <NthDegree> linuxmonkey you root?
[04:29] <linuxmonkey> i went into admin mode to add is, so yes
[04:29] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey, do you have hp-ppd package installed ?
[04:29] <n0> is it correct: 'kdesu mount -w -t fat32 /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6
[04:29] <linuxmonkey> let me check imbrandon
[04:29] <n0> ?
[04:29] <NthDegree> you either need to install some foomatic drivers or the HP Inkjet set bits
[04:29] <imbrandon> n0, not exactly
[04:30] <imbrandon> n0, more like "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/mount /mount/point"
[04:30] <imbrandon> vfat == fat32
[04:30] <kuzmaster> how do i set applications to start at startup?
[04:30] <NthDegree> *cough* not true on certain fat32 cluster sizes *cough*
[04:31] <imbrandon> kuzmaster, make a link to them in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:31] <n0> so rw access is set automatically?
[04:31] <kuzmaster> ok
[04:31] <kuzmaster> thanks
[04:31] <NthDegree> n0, rw access is usually set automatically yet
[04:31] <NthDegree> yes*
[04:31] <chavo> kuzmaster, you can drag things off the menu into there also
[04:31] <n0> ok
[04:31] <imbrandon> and n0 kdesu is only used for graphical apps like kde ones , sudo for command lines ones
[04:32] <Snake> look at that cool guy with 2 names....
[04:32] <kuzmaster> ok
[04:32] <imbrandon> ??
[04:32] <Snake> imbrandon: imbrandon__
[04:32] <Snake> :P
[04:32] <kuzmaster> i gtg
[04:32] <kuzmaster> cya all
[04:32] <kuzmaster> good night
[04:33] <Snake> Night
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh most of the time i have 3 in here Snake , you must not pay attn much ;)
[04:33] <imbrandon> gnight kuzmaster
[04:33] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon thats hp-ppd is installed and still same error
[04:33] <Snake> Hehe
[04:33] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey, ok sorry man thats past my "Just Works"(tm) knolage
[04:39] <OutoLumo> Any ideas on how to get skype working in dapper?
[04:39] <linuxmonkey> !skype
[04:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:43] <OutoLumo> How can I test my volume levels?
[04:45] <slicslak> OutoLumo, use alsamixer, then play your favorite music
[04:46] <slicslak> note a number of sound cards will distort if PCM goes in the red
[04:49] <OutoLumo> I try to play with amaroK, but can't hear a thing...
[04:49] <slicslak> have you checked alsamixer?
[04:49] <reagleBRKLN> using breezy, when i plug in my external usb drive, it creates to icons and attempts two open both /dev/sde and /dev/sde1. "sde" itself won't work of course
[04:50] <reagleBRKLN> how can I get it to ignore that?
[04:50] <slicslak> that's a kde setting.
[04:50] <slicslak> can't remember where
[04:50] <OutoLumo> slicslak: I have alsamixergui open here, what should I see?
[04:51] <OutoLumo> Is there something I should set in kmix?
[04:51] <slicslak> OutoLumo, muted volumes.  low volumes.  if everything is fine there, and your speakers are hooked up right, then it's a driver or similar low level issues
[04:52] <OutoLumo> I'm looking at kmix, no mutes are checked, all volumes are up high
[04:53] <OutoLumo> in outpuit section, that is
[04:56] <RobNyc> !mp3
[04:56] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:04] <n0> !mount
[05:04] <ubotu> it has been said that mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[05:06] <OutoLumo> amaroK is quiet..?
[05:06] <OutoLumo> I only  get static
[05:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: ping
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: pung
[05:12] <Hobbsee> er...you're nto crimsun_
[05:13] <DaSkreech> I don't think I'm inot crimsun_
[05:13] <DaSkreech> into :(
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> Who can help me disable dmex and use jackd instead (reasonably safely )
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Well that was all gobbledook to me :) So I guess I'm disqualified from answering that :)
[05:18] <GullyFoyle> i tried to use gmplayer after upgrading to dapper and i get error Failed to open /dev/rtc: Permission denied (it should be readable by the user.)
[05:18] <GullyFoyle> what should i change permissions to on that file?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> It's crw-rw---- on my computer
[05:20] <noaXess_kubuntu> !flash
[05:20] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:21] <GullyFoyle> it's crw-rw---- on mine as well
[05:22] <OutoLumo> thank for tthe help!-)
[05:22] <neoncode> Can Flock Beta 1 Co-Exist with Firefox? I mean can I have both installed at the same time without conflict?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Should
[05:23] <reagleBRKLN> i have an external drive that when i plug in, kubuntu tries to mount both sde (fails) and sde1
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Mozilla is made to have multiple builds/users/implementations running at the same time
[05:25] <GullyFoyle> ok i tried running gmplayer again after chmod /dev/rtc/ o+rw and i get this error http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713114
[05:27] <GullyFoyle> line 9 is the biggie i think
[05:28] <reagleBRKLN> ah, `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde bs=512 count=2048` this fixes it
[05:29] <reagleBRKLN> boot sector had a vfat signature still
[05:33] <root____> hello, how to set Konversation output charset to utf-8?
[05:33] <chavo> GullyFoyle, did you try -> sudo echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
[05:35] <_nikt_> hello
[05:37] <GullyFoyle> chavo: yes i tried sudo echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq and i got permission denied.
[05:37] <GullyFoyle> ?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Seveas: finished your script yet?
[05:37] <Seveas> no
[05:38] <Seveas> don't unban me
[05:38] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the nice part about kubuntu
[05:38] <[Evil] [Ernie] > it seems to use alot less resources
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: wasnt going to
[05:38] <[Evil] [Ernie] > trying to use semi-transparent applications on windows xp just made my machine crap itself
[05:39] <[Evil] [Ernie] > nearly everything is semi-transparent right now and its running smooth ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> [01:39]  <apokryphos> Seveas out, right, one step closer to world domination :P
[05:39] <GullyFoyle> this really bugs me that icould use gmplayer under breezy and it wont work after upgrading to dapper
[05:39] <apokryphos> damn, plan is foiled
[05:39] <Seveas> hahaha
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[05:40] <chavo> GullyFoyle, try adding this -> dev.rtc.max-user-freq=1024 , to the end of /etc/sysctl.conf
[05:40] <chavo> then do this -> sudo sysctl -p
[05:40] <_nikt_> can anyone give me some directions how to configure xgl on dapper kubuntu desktop ?
[05:43] <Io-SyS> buenas a todos
[05:43] <Io-SyS> tengo un problema con firefox
[05:44] <Io-SyS> tan solo puedo arrancarlo usando kdesu
[05:44] <v3ctor> !es
[05:44] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:44] <Io-SyS> no puedo ejecutarlo como usuario
[05:44] <Io-SyS> ups
[05:44] <Io-SyS> gracis
[05:45] <GullyFoyle> chavo: it still wont open, it just just doesnt give me the error anymore. it flashes open for a second and that's it
[05:48] <GullyFoyle> here's the output when i run gmplayer from cmdline http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713160
[05:49] <Adam_eM> hello
[05:49] <Adam_eM> how can i force my kubuntu to play mp3s ?
[05:50] <McScruff> you dont force
[05:50] <McScruff> you download the correct codecs
[05:50] <chavo> GullyFoyle, sorry I'm lost on that one
[05:50] <Adam_eM> McScruff: so what should i download ?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> !tell Adam_eM about mp3
[05:51] <McScruff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:52] <Adam_eM> well i have done what they wrote there already :(...
[05:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i have a question
[05:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > regarding Adept and packages and such
[05:53] <Hobbsee> [Evil] [Ernie] : shoot
[05:53] <chavo> GullyFoyle, try reinstalling mplayer-skins
[05:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the whole system confuses me
[05:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[05:54] <DaSkreech> haha :)
[05:54] <[Evil] [Ernie] > im used to going to a software vendors website and downloading the package and installing
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: What happens now?
[05:54] <[Evil] [Ernie] > what are these repositories about?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> [Evil] [Ernie] : You are free to do that if you like
[05:54] <DaSkreech> The repos are all that done for you
[05:55] <DaSkreech> So that you think of what application you want. Click it and it installs
[05:55] <Hobbsee> !components
[05:55] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[05:55] <Hobbsee> [Evil] [Ernie] : what the repos are ^
[05:55] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: when i start playing in amarok, the mp3 i want to play stops instantly
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: and you are sure that you installed xine-extracodecs?
[05:55] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ah thank you... that page looks like it will answer alot of questions :)
[05:56] <sdlnxgk> is there an easy way to make an .avi file to .ogg file???
[05:56] <Adam_eM> xine-extracodecs ? I only had to install the gstreamer thing
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Sounds complex :-)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Do you have Amarok open?
[05:57] <sdlnxgk> I had the same problem with Amarok just went right through the play list and not a sound out of it
[05:58] <Samuli^> !restricted formats
[05:58] <ubotu> hmm... restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or '!codecs'
[05:58] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: yes i have
[05:58] <Samuli^> for mp3 playback.
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Can you go to settings->configure amarok->Engine and tell me what engine you are using?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Samuli^: He says that he did that already
[05:59] <Adam_eM> there's xine there
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Well You have multiverse enabled?
[06:00] <chavo> You have to close amarok and reopen it for it to use the codecs
[06:01] <[Evil] [Ernie] > you know... with the adept program, using kubuntu is almost easier than using windows!
[06:01] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: and i can't install the xine-extracodecs
[06:01] <DaSkreech> chavo: He also said that he installed gstreamer when he is using xine
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: And why not?
[06:01] <chavo> aha
[06:01] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but at the same time, its completely impossible to use lol
[06:01] <Armagguedes> hello
[06:01] <Armagguedes> how do i had a *.PFM/*.PFB font to ubunt?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> [Evil] [Ernie] : Well done :)
[06:02] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: there's no such package. I've got multiverse and universe there and all updated
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: do you have libxine1c2 as an option to install?
[06:03] <Adam_eM> easyubuntu can't download the packages for me as well
[06:04] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech:  no i havent
[06:06] <[Evil] [Ernie] > if anyone has the patience, i'm still not understanding the samba software
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Me thinks your multiverse isn't enabled properly :-) can you copy the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
[06:06] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i already read the wiki >.>
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[06:06] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[06:07] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: sure, wait a sec
[06:07] <ubuntu> Grmbl, aren't there any workarounds for the installer of (k)ubuntu on the desktop cd? It just keeps crashing here =/
[06:07] <Tommy2k4> why is there a remote share icon on my desktop
[06:09] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.com/713205
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Ah you have backports enabled :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: in adept go Adept -> manage repos
[06:10] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: so... ?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> I'll explain in a litte bit
[06:11] <DaSkreech> find this line deb http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[06:11] <DaSkreech> and click on the part that says universe so that you can edit it
[06:11] <DaSkreech> then after universe put a space and type multiverse
[06:12] <DaSkreech> so when you finish it hsould look like
[06:12] <DaSkreech> deb http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[06:12] <dom> morning, quick question.  how do i disable this stupid adept updater notifier thing?  if i right-click on it or go to the settings menu there's nothing that looks remotely appropriate
[06:13] <Hobbsee> dom: right click, exit?
[06:13] <dom> oh, does it just run the the background as part of my session or something?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: You can do the same thing with the line below if you like
[06:15] <dom> ok, thx Hobbsee, will try
[06:15] <Tommy2k4> in ubuntu can you not click the mousewheel and move the mouse to scroll?
[06:16] <dom> Tommy2k4, ??  middle-click is for paste
[06:17] <Tommy2k4> weird
[06:17] <GazVez> Hi - to all kubuntu maintainers and developers here: you do a great job! I just came here to thank you
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> i got it anyway
[06:18] <Hobbsee> GazVez: :)
[06:20] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: so what should i do eventually when it's done ?
[06:20] <GazVez> really - I already had some distributions on my computers, but yours runs smoothlessly right from the beginning
[06:20] <GazVez> btw: I wrote the same to Mark :-)
[06:21] <charlie5> snoozes
[06:21] <Tommy2k4> im not sure but i think kubuntu seems to be slower than windows 2000
[06:21] <Tommy2k4> :'(
[06:22] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: and do i have to remove/comment these 'backports' lines ?
[06:23] <Hhhhh> question: I'm trying to install libxine-extracodecs in kubuntu dapper using synaptic, but for some reason I can't find it and I've already added all the repositories available (and I reloaded). Any ideas?
[06:23] <GazVez> did I say "smoothlessly" when I meant "seamlessly"? shame
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Those are for if there are great breakthroughs in the next version of Ubuntu that fix great breaks in the current version
[06:24] <Hhhhh> sorry, I'm back
[06:24] <Hhhhh> any ideas?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> they will sometimes "backport" applications and libraries to the current version if it is worth it
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: So if you want occasionall bothers about new stuff coming out keep them
[06:25] <DaSkreech> If not then comment them out :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: When you are done Apply the changes and close out the window
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Then press Fetch Updates and try to find the xine-extracodecs again
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Cn You pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[06:26] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Tommy2k4: Don't worry you can get it to run faster if you like
[06:27] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=16835
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Are you using adept?
[06:28] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, no, Synaptic
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Ok then hold on while I try to remember how to add things to Synaptic :-)
[06:30] <Hhhhh> ok, thx bud
[06:32] <loanwolf> ? when do we get kde 3.5.3 and 2.6.16 kernel...when i came from mandriva i came from both of those
[06:33] <dickhall_> loanwolf: kde 3.5.3 is out
[06:33] <dickhall_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[06:33] <|lostbyte|> :(
[06:33] <dickhall_> i've been running it for a while
[06:33] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: You the loanwolf from the club forums ?
[06:34] <|lostbyte|> Now i get 175 Kbps.. speed..
[06:34] <|lostbyte|> i am paying for more.. is there a pppd hack ?
[06:34] <dickhall_> anyone else notice transatlantic slowdown today?
[06:34] <dickhall_> stupid worldcup. that could explain your speed, |lostbyte|
[06:34] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, yes
[06:35] <dickhall_> everyone and their dog is streaming video
[06:35] <|lostbyte|> :P
[06:35] <|lostbyte|> Really..
[06:36] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: What made you switch distros ?
[06:36] <|lostbyte|> But I thought they had a good BAndwidth shapping..
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: How are you getting on?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: There?
[06:37] <dickhall_> *shrug* I just had a reverse ssh tunnel open with a box in London (I believe, somewhere in the UK), and it was super slow, way slower than usual
[06:37] <Hhhhh> yes
[06:37] <loanwolf> reading reviews on unbuntu and kubuntu...thought i would give it a shot......plus tired of mde.....
[06:37] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: just installed the xine-extracodecs and everything's working fine. Thanks a lot
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: cool :)
[06:38] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, so ill give this a shot for a week..and if i dont like it..ill go back to soS
[06:38] <Hhhhh> loanwolf, KDE 3.5.3 and linux 2.6.16 aren't out yet, but you'll still love {U|Ku|Xu|Edu}buntu :)
[06:38] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: You by far aren't the first one that is tired of the MDE stuff.  There have been many many more before and after you
[06:38] <dickhall_> Hhhhh: 3.5.3 is certainly out
[06:38] <andreas_> I tried installing kubuntu 6.06 here yesterday, the livecd started complaning about dm-0 (LVM issue). I have no idea what's wrong though, everything else works as it should :S
[06:38] <Hhhhh> dickhall_, for kubuntu?
[06:38] <dickhall_> yep
[06:38] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: i'm slowing things down a bit, because i'm watching a world cup match meanwhile :)
[06:38] <dickhall_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[06:38] <Hhhhh> oh
[06:38] <dickhall_> June 1
[06:38] <Hhhhh> nice, I'll give it a try, thx
[06:38] <Hhhhh> what about 2.6.16?
[06:38] <Hawkwind> I've had KDE 3.5.3 installed since the day Kubuntu was released, or the day after
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ok Hhhhh Go to Settings -> Repos and look for where you have Ubuntu 6.06 LTS universe
[06:39] <dickhall_> day after it wwas released from kde
[06:39] <dickhall_> Hhhhh: you mean, the day Dapper was released ;)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Or Kubuntu if that's what you are using etc
[06:39] <loanwolf> Hhhhh, im on a site right now giving updates to kde 3.5.3..but says mirrors might still be updating
[06:39] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: I won't be packaging Mandriva rpm's much longer.  For one, I'm involved in Gael Duvals new project and it's based on Kubuntu so I'll be packaging debs from here on out basically
[06:39] <dickhall_> oops, sorry, that was was talking to Hawkwind, not Hhhhh
[06:40] <Adam_eM> DaSkreech: i'm just starting with kubuntu, and having some silly problems yet :). I was using suse previously
[06:40] <dickhall_> Hhhhh: I don't know about 2.6.16 - I'm not running Dapper here at work
[06:40] <Hawkwind> dickhall_: I thought it was the day of release, but I'm old and forgetful :)
[06:40] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, I don't see that, I noticed that the layout of Settings->Repositories is different than what you might be seeing
[06:41] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, witch distro is that...i read in distrowatch of so many new distro's..and 1 on a sticky in mandriva club
[06:41] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, my xubuntu box has a different layout for repos than this kubuntu box
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Well I'm on Xubuntu now
[06:41] <dickhall_> Hawkwind: I think it WAS the day of Dapper's release, but you said Kubuntu - kubuntu was released in 2004 or something
[06:41] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Ulteo.  We haven't had our first beta release yet.  Probably within 2 weeks
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Do you have a section labeled Backports?
[06:42] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, you remember from #mandriva .... unclemike
[06:42] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, no, they don't have that labeling, I know what you mean but the layout of Settings->Repositories is different in my box: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4470/snapshot22pc.jpg
[06:42] <dickhall_> Hhhhh: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560
[06:42] <dickhall_> Hhhhh: that's a howto for getting 2.6.16 running
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: cool :-)
[06:43] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, I know what labeling you mean, my other xubuntu box has that, but for some reason the layout shown in that snapshot is what shows up when I go to Settings->Repositories
[06:44] <DaSkreech> ok Click on 5th one down
[06:44] <Hhhhh> so, in there I enabled all the repos, and still not libxine-extracodecs
[06:44] <Tommy2k4> i need to try and get kubuntu faster
[06:44] <Hhhhh> universe?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> and beside universe in Section (s) put multiverse
[06:44] <Tommy2k4> even mousing over a window in the task bar, it takes a while just for the tooltip to come up
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:44] <dickhall_> though one reason I switched from gentoo to kubuntu is that I have no interest in compiling my own kernel :)
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Put multiverse beside it
[06:44] <DaSkreech> YOu can do it again for the 6th one down if you like
[06:44] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Yes
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Well if you need help we should behere
[06:44] <Tommy2k4> how can i make tooltips not animate
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Adam_eM: Unless we aren't ;-)
[06:45] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, he is me
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Then save, reload and go to getting mp3s to work :-)
[06:45] <dickhall_> Tommy2k4: System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> Effects
[06:45] <Hhhhh> DaSkreech, ok, after reloading it shows libxine-extracodecs :) thanks a lot
[06:46] <Tommy2k4> erm i made it disable all gui effects and its still happening
[06:46] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: So you were posting on the forums as two different people then!
[06:47] <dickhall_> did you apply?
[06:47] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, im not useing unclemike anymore.....
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> i tried to disable all gui effects but its still happening =/
[06:49] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Well it got confusing as you were posting while you were upset with MDE, then you posted as loanwolf were you were all bragging about how good MDE was and that everyone should use their stuff
[06:50] <ahmuck_jr> i am looking for someone that is familiar with audacity
[06:50] <tsume> hmm
[06:51] <tsume> well after looking, I don't think KDE has quality tools for me ;(
[06:51] <Ayabara> is d4x the dl-manager I should choose in kubuntu?
[06:53] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, i know....There fore awhile Ze...had me mad at at him...always saying problems was my fault...cause i would use your instructions on installing kde.....when all the problems was broken packages he had...
[06:53] <MrObvious> hawkwind: Did you make packages for ubuntu for KDE already or what?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Yep.  He's famous for that.  He's been doing it for years now.  That's why noone likes him and so few bash their work as they do a pretty horrible job.  Not saying my repo is perfect as it's not.  But theirs is horrible
[06:54] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: Why would I ?  Kubuntu has the latest
[06:54] <MrObvious> Oh.
[06:54] <MrObvious> So why are we talking about Ze? He's an idiot.
[06:54] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: Read up a bit, it has since they day of Dappers release
[06:54] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: Because I asked loanwolf if he was the same loanwolf from the Mandriva Club Forums and why he switched distros
[06:55] <Tommy2k4> how do i turn off this damn tooltip animation
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Hhhhh: Sure :-)
[06:55] <Tommy2k4> i disabled all gui effects in styles
[06:56] <chavo> Tommy2k4, right click panel - Configure Panel - Appearance - Enable Mouseover Effects
[06:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhhh
[06:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i think www.kde-look.org has some problems
[06:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no main frame, only the left menubar
[06:57] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, i should have listed to you from the beginning....i did a review is SoS and MDE....a found 1 site the gave SOS #1 mdk #2 and mde #3
[06:57] <Tommy2k4> well its not showing tooltips at all now (yes it is enabled) but i guess i can live with that
[06:57] <Tommy2k4> is there anything else i can do to make kubuntu run smoother
[06:57] <chavo> Tallia1Kubuntu, it's there scroll down
[06:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> WTF is happened
[06:59] <BlankB> Tommy2k4: what is it doing wrong?
[06:59] <Tommy2k4> nothing wrong as such i just have a slow pc and would like to try and make it run better
[07:00] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Where is this review you speak of ?
[07:00] <loanwolf> ? i installed ubuntu but then installed kubuntu kde-desktop....now when system boots it says kubuntu..so is it still unbuntu or kubuntu now
[07:00] <BlankB> Tommy2k4: what speed is it and what gfx card?
[07:00] <MrObvious> loanwolf: No it's gentoo :p
[07:00] <Tommy2k4> 733mhz p3, 256mb ram, onboard gfx
[07:00] <loanwolf> Hawkwind,  let me see if i can find it again
[07:00] <MrObvious> loanwolf: All Kubuntu is is Ubuntu w\ KDE
[07:00] <BlankB> Tommy2k4: what is the onboard gfx?
[07:01] <MrObvious> loanwolf: It's just a WM change. Same as XUbuntu is Xfce, and EUbuntu will be E17 once it's done (still pre-alpha)
[07:01] <loanwolf> ok
[07:01] <DaSkreech> MrObvious: Say that again?
[07:01] <Tommy2k4> intel 810
[07:01] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=422711
[07:01] <DaSkreech> MrObvious: Did you say when E is finished?
[07:02] <MrObvious> E17.
[07:02] <MrObvious> Yup
[07:02] <chavo> Yeah it'll come with duke nukem forver preinstalled
[07:02] <MrObvious> RIght now E17 is moving toward finishing actually.
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Has E ever been released?
[07:02] <MrObvious> Raster wants to finish the todo and get it released.
[07:02] <DaSkreech> They are at version 17 now
[07:02] <MrObvious> DaSkreech: E16.
[07:03] <DaSkreech> E16 is still a DR
[07:03] <MrObvious> It's a fully stable release though.
[07:03] <MrObvious> DR is just their naming system.
[07:03] <chavo> I remember using e17 like 6 years ago
[07:03] <chavo> e16
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Developmental Release?
[07:04] <loanwolf> MrObvious, wasent you useing mandriva
[07:04] <MrObvious> Designate Release I think.
[07:04] <MrObvious> loanwolf: Yup. I also installed KUbuntu on my second computer.
[07:05] <michele> hello
[07:05] <loanwolf> MrObvious, ohh ok...so witch you like better
[07:05] <Ayabara> does kde have a download manager, or should I use d4x?
[07:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what the hell is an internet storM?
[07:05] <chavo> Ayabara, kget
[07:06] <MrObvious> Mandriva has a few bugs I haven't seen with Ubuntu
[07:06] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, did you get that link
[07:06] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Yep.  Reading it now, thanks
[07:06] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, ok...welcome
[07:07] <Ayabara> chavo: thanks. would you recommend it over d4x?
[07:07] <Tommy2k4> BlankB: any ideas of how to speed up my kubuntu?
[07:07] <chavo> Ayabara, sure, I rarely use it since I got cable connection
[07:08] <MrObvious> Tommy2k4: Probably optimizing KDE or running a lighter WM like XFce
[07:08] <Ayabara> I got a fast enough connection myself, but I turn off the computer at night, so sometimes it is handy
[07:09] <loanwolf> Hawkwind, on the new distro...your packages still going to be SoS
[07:09] <chavo> well try it out it integrates with konq
[07:11] <Hawkwind> loanwolf: Eventually I'll have a deb section on SoS for *Ubuntu/Ulteo stuff.  I've just got to fully learn how to build deb packages yet.  It's new and confusing to me still at this stage
[07:11] <MrObvious> hawkwind: Are ulteo & Ubuntu packages gonna be the same?
[07:12] <MrObvious> Or is Ulteo slightly different?
[07:12] <loanwolf> ok
[07:13] <_JP> is anyone here able to help with this: http://qtnode.net/pastebin/652 ?
[07:14] <_JP> that is qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.1.3 installed on kubuntu dapper. framebuffer test passes fine but i'm unable to run any demos or examples
[07:14] <Ayabara> you guys prefer krusader, konqueror or another file manager (just getting to know kubuntu/kde)
[07:14] <MrObvious> Konqueror probably
[07:14] <v3ctor> konqueror
[07:15] <Armagguedes> im looking atksysguard, and its listing 2 "amarokapp"s, _each_ taking over 120MB of RAM.. WTF??
[07:16] <Ayabara> can I make konqueror show thumbnail-previews of videos like nautilus does?
[07:16] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: Ulteo is based on Kubuntu, so it will use any *Ubuntu/Debian deb packages and mirrors
[07:17] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: the memory reporting is so bad that it's just useless
[07:17] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: I've been working on trying to get it to be accurate, but it's very difficult
[07:18] <chavo> Armagguedes, you're looking at th vmsize
[07:18] <kosh> the memory reporting is not useless it is just not giving numbers that people understand
[07:18] <Armagguedes> chavo yes
[07:18] <JohnFlux> kosh: so... it's useless ;P
[07:18] <kosh> looking at the windows memory usage just looks better to people but it is not any more accurate
[07:18] <chavo> add all of them up and it's probably a couple of hundred gigs
[07:18] <Armagguedes> JohnFlux is there any way to check accurate sysresources?
[07:18] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: no
[07:18] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: :P
[07:18] <kosh> JohnFlux: no looking at memory usage is inherently very complex in any modern system
[07:19] <Armagguedes> ival
[07:19] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: the problem is how to report shared data
[07:19] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: how to deal with 'memory' that's on the graphics card
[07:19] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: and so on
[07:19] <kosh> windows, mac, linux, bsd, solaris etc all can't give accurate numbers and they all report it a little differently
[07:19] <Armagguedes> u deal with the left hand
[07:19] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: if my problem opens a file in a certain way (mmap), then the entire file counts as memory used
[07:19] <Armagguedes> either that or 9mm Glocks
[07:19] <chavo> each app reports all of the memory it uses, but most libs are loaded only once
[07:19] <JohnFlux> Armagguedes: even though it's 'memory' that is actually a file on the disk
[07:20] <Armagguedes> i see
[07:20] <kosh> JohnFlux: yeah mmap is a great point
[07:20] <JohnFlux> s/problem/program/
[07:20] <Armagguedes> i suppose it makes sense
[07:20] <kosh> JohnFlux: you can mmap a 20GB file and only be using a few megs of ram even though that file is in your address space
[07:20] <JohnFlux> kosh: well on 64bit
[07:20] <Armagguedes> that scared me for a while
[07:20] <JohnFlux> kosh: can't go above 2 or 3GB on 32 bit
[07:20] <kosh> Armagguedes: finding out what pages in memory are actually used by what program is very difficult to do and if the system had to do it you would take a massive speed hit
[07:21] <jme__> you sure you can mmap 20gbyte ?
[07:21] <Armagguedes> it lists ~200mb for firefox  but thats almost expected
[07:21] <kosh> jme__: on a 64bit system yes
[07:21] <JohnFlux> jme__: on 64bit arch like I said
[07:21] <jme__> have you tried ?
[07:21] <Armagguedes> kosh use on of the other cores =)
[07:21] <kosh> jme__: I have not tried it but there is no reason at all it should not work and I have heard that it does
[07:21] <Armagguedes> install a dedicated ageia tysics card for system monitoring
[07:22] <jme__> well i see many reasons :)
[07:22] <kosh> jme__: like what?
[07:22] <kosh> Armagguedes: would sitll slow the system down too much since it would have to be reading main memory to figure out what goes where
[07:22] <JohnFlux> what you need to do is look at the page map
[07:22] <JohnFlux> each page map says who's using it
[07:22] <jme__> the main one which can be derived infinitly, because nobody does it. so nobody cared to code it
[07:22] <JohnFlux> you need to map page by page to an app
[07:23] <JohnFlux> that would give you a fairly accurate view
[07:23] <JohnFlux> (the pages can be shared etc)
[07:23] <kosh> jme__: I know I can mmap a 2GB file ona 32bit system with far less ram then that and have it work
[07:23] <kosh> jme__: umm 64bit systems have been working in linux since the alpha port almost 10 years ago
[07:23] <kosh> if 64bit mmap was not working it would have been fixed long before now but more importantly from what I understand it should just be a recompile
[07:24] <jme__> well i know that just handling more that 2gbyte of ram, is not that old
[07:24] <jme__> and still it is possible for years by cpu.
[07:24] <jme__> always applying the principle 'if it is uncomon, expect trouble' :)
[07:25] <kosh> I just checked and mmap 64bit was fixed in 98 :)
[07:25] <n3storm> hi everyone
[07:25] <kosh> jme__: even most 32bit cpus can handle 36GB of ram I think it is with the pae extensions which just about all modern procs have
[07:25] <n3storm> does anybody know what is the parameter for configure while compiling kde apps for kubuntu?
[07:25] <kosh> jme__: it just is not worth it since you take a big speed hit
[07:25] <jme__> ok :)
[07:25] <kosh> what parameter?
[07:26] <v3ctor> ./confiugre --help
[07:26] <JohnFlux> kosh: getting a single app to use more than 3 GB would be difficult
[07:26] <jme__> impossible!!!!
[07:26] <kosh> JohnFlux: that part is true becuase of 32bit address space limitations but the system itself can do it
[07:26] <jme__> i mean it is possible to do for years by CPU :)
[07:26] <JohnFlux> kosh: i think the page thing works only by giving different apps different parts of the memory
[07:26] <kosh> it is not impossible but it is difficult
[07:26] <n3storm> v3ctor: ./configure usr? or something like that, I used to know that
[07:27] <n3storm> the prefix for the kubuntu kde directory, I think
[07:27] <v3ctor> n3storm: no clue what parameter you are refering to
[07:27] <kosh> JohnFlux: it does but apparently there are ways around it, like starting another process and having it map memory for you and working with it over ipc or something like that
[07:27] <jme__> how long is the code to test the 20gbyte case ?
[07:27] <chavo> n3storm, --prefix /usr
[07:27] <jme__> like 3-4 line ?
[07:27] <v3ctor> kububtu kde uses /usr
[07:27] <n3storm> chavo: that's it, thanks very much
[07:27] <jme__> why not test it instead of 'speculating' ?
[07:27] <kosh> JohnFlux: over all it is clearer to just use a 64bit system
[07:27] <chavo> np
[07:28] <jme__> q. anybody with a linux 64bit around ?
[07:28] <kosh> JohnFlux: do you feel like mmaping a realy large file?
[07:28] <JohnFlux> i don't have a large file :P
[07:28] <JohnFlux> and I don't have the hard disk to do it
[07:28] <jme__> you dont need to
[07:29] <jme__> just map /dev/full
[07:29] <jme__> it should work
[07:29] <jme__> test with 1mbyte and see
[07:29] <JohnFlux> can you seek in it?
[07:29] <jme__> then extend to 20gbyte
[07:29] <JohnFlux> i don't think mmap a device works like that
[07:29] <jme__> hmm dunno :)
[07:30] <jme__> well it did in the past
[07:30] <Tommy2k4> whats kubuntus default wm
[07:30] <v3ctor> lol
[07:30] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: kwin in kde
[07:30] <jme__> so nobody want to test ?
[07:30] <Tommy2k4> is there anything lighter i could use to give better performance
[07:30] <jme__> it would be usefull information instead of speculation
[07:31] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: I doubt the wm is causing  a slow down
[07:31] <chavo> no kwin is actually very fast
[07:31] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: instead of KDE you could use something else though
[07:31] <Tommy2k4> ok
[07:31] <JohnFlux> if you don't want kicker and so on
[07:32] <kosh> Tommy2k4: how much ram does your system have?
[07:32] <Tommy2k4> 256
[07:32] <kosh> that woudl be the problem
[07:32] <Tommy2k4> 733mhz p3, onboard gfx
[07:32] <JohnFlux> cpu doesn't matter
[07:32] <JohnFlux> it's always the memory that matters
[07:32] <kosh> is it a box you can upgrade? you can usually get a 1GB memory module for about $100 or less
[07:32] <Tommy2k4> really poor atm
[07:33] <JohnFlux> if you got 1GB, you'd more than double the speed
[07:33] <Tommy2k4> when i get a job ill buy a whole new pc
[07:33] <kosh> kwin will work with that much memory but most of kde won't
[07:33] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: where do live?  get someone to lend you some memory ;)
[07:33] <Tommy2k4> england
[07:34] <JohnFlux> where in england?
[07:34] <Tommy2k4> i have money but its getting spent on driving lessons lol
[07:34] <JohnFlux> haha
[07:34] <Tommy2k4> pc is hardly the most important thing in my life
[07:34] <Tommy2k4> blasphemy :p
[07:34] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: exactly. that's why you need it faster so you waste less time on it
[07:35] <Tommy2k4> lol
[07:35] <[Evil] [Ernie] > what? pc is not important?
[07:35] <Tommy2k4> not like i do anything productive thogh
[07:35] <Ayabara> what happens if the port for udp tracker port is not working as it should?
[07:35] <Ayabara> in ktorrent
[07:35] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i would fall over and die from boredom without a pc
[07:35] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i dont know what people do
[07:35] <[Evil] [Ernie] > they go outside or something
[07:35] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: microdirect.co.uk  you could get a second 256MB for 16.80 Inc VAT
[07:35] <Tommy2k4> :o
[07:35] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i have no idea about that
[07:35] <JohnFlux> [Evil] [Ernie] : i heard it's got good resolution
[07:35] <Tommy2k4> JohnFlux: im not worrying about upgrading for now
[07:35] <JohnFlux> [Evil] [Ernie] : outdoors
[07:36] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hmm
[07:36] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i've heard that too
[07:36] <[Evil] [Ernie] > with HDR lightin
[07:36] <[Evil] [Ernie] > but still, it sounds scary >.>
[07:36] <Tommy2k4> i have an athlon 2500+, 1gb ram downstairs that i could use but id rather be in my room all day
[07:36] <Tommy2k4> wait no thats my sisters pc
[07:36] <JohnFlux> [Evil] [Ernie] : and no bloom effect
[07:36] <JohnFlux> :)
[07:36] <Tommy2k4> now i have a 2.8ghz p4 2gb ram
[07:36] <JohnFlux> Tommy2k4: kill your sister
[07:36] <Tommy2k4> lol
[07:37] <Tommy2k4> hmm i could take a 512mb stick out my other pc maybe
[07:37] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i second that
[07:37] <livecduser> Is there a quick way to wipe the MBR? I get an error whenever the installer wants to install GRUB
[07:37] <[Evil] [Ernie] > use a hammer!
[07:37] <JohnFlux> livecduser: can you boot windows in any way?
[07:37] <JohnFlux> livecduser: actually use a livecd
[07:38] <livecduser> Nope, I had GRUB installed from an Ubuntu installation, but wnated to change to Kubuntu
[07:38] <JohnFlux> livecduser: then just reinstall grub
[07:38] <livecduser> Reinstall by running the installer_
[07:39] <JohnFlux> livecduser: just the install grub bit
[07:40] <RadiantFire> is there a way to keep adept from flagging packages for update that I compiled myself from the latest version?
[07:40] <jme__> q. what is the status of the ubuntu server now ? have they cool off from the dapper rush ?
[07:40] <livecduser> Not quite sure how I do that?
[07:40] <JohnFlux> RadiantFire: the way you are supposed to do that is when you make the package you give it a high version number
[07:40] <RadiantFire> thats stupid...
[07:40] <RadiantFire> i just used debuild so I didn't clobber anything
[07:41] <RadiantFire> oh well...
[07:41] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i still have no idea how to fix my partitions
[07:41] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[07:41] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i had made a 44gb partition for /home and a 2gb partition for swap
[07:42] <DaSkreech> LVM :)
[07:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > apparently it installed swap on the 44gb and /home on the 2gb
[07:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > so now i have a ridiculous amount of virtual memory
[07:42] <v3ctor> remove swap
[07:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > remove swap and then resize?
[07:42] <v3ctor> format the swap partition with FS
[07:43] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hm
[07:43] <v3ctor> mount it on temp mpunt pount
[07:43] <v3ctor> cp data to new mount point; edit fstab and reboot
[07:43] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hm
[07:43] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i think i'll just smash it with a hammer
[07:43] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i have no idea how to perform those instructions
[07:44] <v3ctor> lol
[07:44] <[Evil] [Ernie] > thank you though =)
[07:44] <flo> i have an pppoe adsl conection and when i boot up i'm geting always the same ip adress , is that normal? in fact there is a bit of time that i'm experiencing problems with mi conection and thats hapening only with the installed kubuntu, when i use a live cd all works just fine...any advice?
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i would imagine your IP address would be the same every time..
[07:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > could be wrong though
[07:46] <flo> itshould be a difrent one any time i quit and restart the conection, right?
[07:46] <JohnFlux> the dhcp server will hang on to your IP for quite a while
[07:46] <JohnFlux> increase you return
[07:46] <JohnFlux> it remembers that you had that ip
[07:46] <kane_> flo: how did you setup the pppoe connection ?
[07:47] <flo> yes but when i use the live i always get a difrent one!!!
[07:47] <flo> with pppoeconf ...it all workd fine for a week or so
[07:48] <flo> does dhcp package should be installed by default on the sistem?
[07:49] <flo> because i have no dhcp packege on it
[07:52] <JohnFlux> flo: i don't know how pppoe works
[07:52] <JohnFlux> flo: if you do need it, it will only be the client you need
[07:52] <JohnFlux> flo: dhcpcd or pump
[07:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> will kde4 use Xgl as default?
[07:53] <cox377_> when is kde4 due for release?
[07:53] <flo> JohnFlux: i dont know any other way on how to set up my internet conection
[07:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 6 months
[07:55] <v3ctor> [Evil] [Ernie] : http://v3ctor.org/docs/Tutorials/fix_parts.txt  in case you want to try
[07:55] <JohnFlux> Tallia1Kubuntu: hah
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just found out that nobody is adding new features for kde3
[07:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kde3 is feature frozen they said
[07:56] <JohnFlux> too difficult to maintain two branches
[07:57] <JohnFlux> if  you have large changes in both
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hilarious how most of the messages in IRC that i see are connect/disconnect messages from users
[07:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where do i have to go for a feature request of konqueror?
[07:59] <Tommy2k4> hm i dunno if the 512mb stick of ram from my other pc would work in this dell OptiPlex GX110 733
[08:05] <Hawkwind> !java
[08:05] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and see also !javadebs
[08:05] <Tommy2k4> !javadebs
[08:05] <ubotu> In Breezy: j2re1.4 is in multiverse. In Dapper: sun-java5-jre is in multiverse
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where do i have to go for a feature request of konqueror?
[08:06] <jme__> #join #konqui
[08:06] <jme__> well no not here :)
[08:10] <DarkRaven> i got a big problem
[08:10] <DarkRaven> adept gave me the new kernel
[08:11] <DarkRaven> but now x is unable to start, saiyng that "cannot load kernel module nvidia" , i used module-assistant but the situation is the same... help me plz
[08:15] <cox377_> how is everyone>?
[08:18] <blackvd> quick question if i install kubuntu on gateway performance 1500 with 128 MB of rdram will it run smooth or do i need more ram?
[08:18] <MrObvious> Tallia1Kubuntu: Probably #kde
[08:19] <MrObvious> blackvd: I'd get more RAM period. 128 isn't enough to run a non X web server hardly I'd say (even if it's possible to do it)
[08:19] <Tommy2k4> is there a task manager in kubuntu
[08:20] <Hawkwind> Ummm since when is 128MB NOT enough to run a non-X server ????
[08:20] <blackvd> hm about to sell it but need to show it to someone and wanted to use a distro that was user friendly and easy to install
[08:20] <Hawkwind> I have a box that has 128MB of ram in it and it's a 500MHz box and it runs KDE perfectly normal
[08:20] <Tommy2k4> my 256mb 733mhz box runs it not as smooth as id like :(
[08:21] <Tommy2k4> but maybe i just have high standards
[08:21] <blackvd> so hawkwind you think kubuntu might be fine?
[08:22] <MrObvious> hawkwind: I just don't like waiting 5 months for a computer to boot up.
[08:22] <Hawkwind> blackvd: Hard to say.  I don't run KDE personally.  But why not try it
[08:22] <kosh> Hawkwind: if you need to run an app server then 128MB is not enough by a long slot ie anything database driven :)
[08:22] <Hawkwind> MrObvious: I don't either.  My 500MHz box takes about 70 seconds
[08:22] <jme__> MrObvious: high uptime by default, this is good :)
[08:22] <Tommy2k4> win2k boots faster than kubuntu  on this box
[08:22] <blackvd> if i put something like vector on it they wont like it
[08:23] <kosh> for me win2k boots faster then kubuntu is doing massively more stuff on bootup
[08:24] <blackvd> screw it i already have vector standard installed and they will probably just install winblows on it anyways
[08:24] <kosh> I can't imagine how I could ever get my kubuntu side to boot faster then windows without taking out all the stuff it does at abootup that I need
[08:27] <Wilfred> hi
[08:29] <Tommy2k4> whats the best irc client
[08:29] <kosh> I like konversation
[08:29] <blackvd> why not just use gaim if you already use it for chat
[08:30] <Pupeno> Hello.
[08:30] <Wilfred> konversation is nice
[08:30] <Pupeno> Where did the buttons to change the view go in Dapper ?
[08:34] <Tommy2k4> is there a task manager in kubuntu
[08:35] <jpatrick> KCron?
[08:35] <jpatrick> KOrganiser?
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> anyone know the package name for codecs to use with kaffine to play .avi files???
[08:35] <Tommy2k4> eg the equivalent of windows task manager
[08:35] <Tommy2k4> process list
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> ps -ef
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> taskmanager is called ksysguard
[08:36] <Tommy2k4> ty
[08:36] <sdlnxgk> yw
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> did you never use pstat and ntkill under windows (part of the server resource kit)
[08:37] <dickhall_> Tommy2k4: press control + escape
[08:38] <Tommy2k4> no h3sp4wn
[08:39] <sdlnxgk> yes have used that command before ksysguard seemed to kill stalled processes better
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> kill / killall and kill -9 / killall -9 - work for most things (from the output of ps auxww or ps -ef)
[08:41] <dickhall_> pstree is handy for figuring out what's going on
[08:41] <sdlnxgk> maybe it just didn't like me
[08:41] <sdlnxgk> is that the same as top?
[08:41] <dickhall_> top shows the top usage
[08:41] <dickhall_> man top, man pstree, man ps
[08:42] <sdlnxgk> cool
[08:42] <sdlnxgk> i'm learning today :)
[08:42] <dickhall_> yep. man is your friend :)
[08:43] <sdlnxgk> anyone know the package for codecs so use .avi files in kaffeine??
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> libxine-extracodecs probably
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> (maybe you need w32-codecs though)
[08:44] <sdlnxgk> ok checking now
[08:44] <sdlnxgk> thanks
[08:49] <Tommy2k4> how can i change the buttons on the system menu
[08:50] <jpatrick> right click -> edit menu
[08:50] <Tommy2k4> its not there
[08:50] <tsdgeos> do you have the panel locked?
[08:50] <jpatrick> tsdgeos: this is system menu not k-menu
[08:50] <tsdgeos> ah
[08:51] <Tommy2k4> not locked
[08:51] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg
[08:51] <Tommy2k4> i didnt mean the icons i wanna change the links that are on the menu
[08:52] <Tommy2k4> it dun matter anymore
[08:52] <Tommy2k4> is it operas fault that the opera tray icon is smaller than all other tray icons
[09:00] <Child4Christ> random question, on windows i could use screamer radio to rip radio streams, just wonderin, is there anythin like this for linux?
[09:01] <VincentMX> don' t know
[09:01] <VincentMX> but you could try using it in wine
[09:01] <Child4Christ> tried, doesnt find my sound card :/
[09:02] <VincentMX> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:02] <VincentMX> ok
[09:02] <Child4Christ> think i need a linux pure bred one
[09:03] <VincentMX> ok
[09:03] <twstokes> I upgraded to KDE 3.5.3 today and now my system tray icons don't stack when the panel is set to "medium". Anyone else have this issue?
[09:03] <VincentMX> when i need opensource software, i always try looking on sourceforge.net
[09:03] <linuxmonkey> twstokes: go to custom
[09:04] <linuxmonkey> twstokes: and set it to 48 pixels
[09:04] <twstokes> Alrighty let me try it
[09:04] <twstokes> Beautiful
[09:04] <twstokes> Thanks a lot
[09:05] <twstokes> Does anyone know if they've fixed the screen saver bug yet in 3.5.3?
[09:05] <linuxmonkey> hrmm I dunno
[09:06] <linuxmonkey> twstokes: im not having any issues with mine
[09:06] <twstokes> Interesting. I just read a few minutes ago on the Kubuntu forums that someone was having that issue and it turned out so did I
[09:06] <iNiku> what's the screensaver bug?
[09:06] <twstokes> When you try to lock the desktop, no screen saver
[09:06] <Tommy2k4> why is the opera tray icon smaller than the rest lol
[09:07] <twstokes> It also might apply for the regular "timed" screen saver also
[09:07] <iNiku> twstokes: lock session from the menu?
[09:07] <linuxmonkey> Tommy2k4:  cause it cant play with the big boys yet..lol
[09:07] <twstokes> When right clicking the desktop and selecting Lock
[09:07] <twstokes> My screen stays the same, but when I move the mouse it prompts me for the password
[09:08] <linuxmonkey> twstokes: what screensaver u using?
[09:08] <linuxmonkey> im using euphoria and got no issues at all
[09:08] <twstokes> I tried different ones, but currently Solar Winds
[09:08] <iNiku> twstokes: hmm, I get the same when I have a screensaver enabled. normally I just use "blank" on the laptop and that works fine
[09:09] <linuxmonkey> yeah i had no probs with that one also..
[09:09] <linuxmonkey> you on 64 bit?
[09:09] <twstokes> Nope
[09:09] <twstokes> Here's the link: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5715.0
[09:09] <twstokes> It seems other people were having this problem also
[09:09] <iNiku> ah, works now
[09:10] <linuxmonkey> ok then thats not the issue....im not having the issue at all and been running 3.5.3 for a while
[09:10] <iNiku> twstokes: do you still have "system settings" open after choosing a screen saver?
[09:10] <twstokes> usually I right click the desktop and access it there
[09:10] <iNiku> twstokes: yeah, but do you have system settings open?
[09:10] <twstokes> I do now
[09:11] <iNiku> because when I did, the screensaver didn't work
[09:11] <iNiku> but when I closed it, it works now
[09:11] <twstokes> Oh I see
[09:11] <twstokes> No I didn't have it open when it didn't work
[09:11] <iNiku> actually not system settings, but the screen saver pane in system settings
[09:11] <twstokes> Right - I didn't have it open either
[09:12] <iNiku> that's what does it for me, I guess because of the little preview of the screensaver that's running there
[09:12] <twstokes> Yeh
[09:12] <twstokes> I can test the screen saver just fine
[09:12] <iNiku> does "blank screen" work?
[09:13] <twstokes> Only when testing it,
[09:13] <twstokes> not when locking the screen
[09:13] <twstokes> Supposedly it's resolved in the KDE bugs site
[09:13] <iNiku> hmm. blank screen works for me regardless of whether the screen saver pane is open or not
[09:14] <twstokes> So it's not a ubuntu issue
[09:15] <knubbe> my kubuntu is so slow running the 686 kernel :(
[09:15] <knubbe> works much better in 386, anyone who knows what might be the cause?
[09:15] <twstokes> I was going to test that out today - Running the 686 vs 386
[09:15] <twstokes> I read that sometimes it can go slower with the 686
[09:16] <svivian> does anyone know what I would need to enable .au file playback?
[09:16] <knubbe> just moving the mouse around makes my cpu bump up to 70-80%
[09:16] <twstokes> Wow
[09:17] <twstokes> amaroK is eating up my CPU right now - updating my collection after upgrading it
[09:17] <sdlnxgk> that is crazy mine is smoking fast :)
[09:17] <Child4Christ> how do i install an mp3 encoder?
[09:17] <twstokes> I'm running 686 also and it's seems to be running great too
[09:17] <twstokes> Is there a good way to benchmark in Linux?
[09:18] <svivian> !tell Child4Christ about mp3
[09:18] <Child4Christ> thx
[09:18] <sdlnxgk> xmms plays mp3's just fine for me
[09:19] <Child4Christ> its not for playin em
[09:19] <twstokes> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[09:19] <knubbe> when i try to drag windows it can freeze for a second or two
[09:19] <twstokes> That's what I thought - you wanted to encode
[09:19] <twstokes> not decode but I gave the link anyway to decode
[09:20] <Child4Christ> an example is ripping your cds to listen on an mp3 player
[09:20] <twstokes> I'm not sure how to encode MP3s, haven't tried it yet
[09:20] <jpatrick> use lame
[09:20] <jpatrick> !info lame dapper
[09:20] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (dapper), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[09:21] <Child4Christ> apt-get install lame?
[09:21] <jpatrick> yeah
[09:21] <Child4Christ> ta :)
[09:21] <jpatrick> then use KAudioCreator
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone use hostapd (WPA2 - WDS bridging)
[09:23] <Child4Christ> gtg thx for the help ^-^
[09:23] <cox377_> what is lame?
[09:23] <svivian> !lame
[09:23] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, svivian
[09:23] <jorik> lame is not an mp3 encoder (well, it is)
[09:23] <jpatrick> see the !info above
[09:24] <sdlnxgk> how do you use multiverse ???
[09:24] <sdlnxgk> !multiverse
[09:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[09:29] <adam_> re
[09:29] <Hoobly> I have heard lots of talk of Kubuntu running better on AMD chips vs intel.  Can anyone point me in the direction of some documentation stating this, etc.?
[09:30] <twstokes> My screensaver started working now
[09:30] <adam_> i've just enabled a composite extension in my archaic videocard... the card supports 3d gfx, and the games running well but the desktop doesn't go smooth
[09:31] <Adam_eM> can i do something with it ?
[09:32] <svivian> does anyone know what I would need to enable .au file playback?
[09:32] <twstokes> When you run glxgears does it run smooth?
[09:32] <twstokes> Do you get a decent frame rate Adam_eM?
[09:32] <twstokes> You might just need to turn on the desktop acceleration
[09:32] <Adam_eM> twstokes: yes it runs smoth
[09:32] <twstokes> Hang on let me get the line that did it for me from xorg
[09:33] <Adam_eM> ok
[09:33] <twstokes> In xorg, inside the "Screen" Section I have a line that says:  Option         "RenderAccel" "1"
[09:33] <Wilfred> dunno about amd versus intel - depends on whether you're running things compiled specifically for one or the other
[09:33] <twstokes> That's what made it go smooth for me
[09:34] <twstokes> I'm running an Nvidia also just to let you know
[09:34] <twstokes> Don't know if Ati uses the same option
[09:35] <Adam_eM> anyway thanks... oh btw i cannot run glxgears now
[09:35] <twstokes> Hmm
[09:35] <twstokes> What video card do you have?
[09:35] <Adam_eM> i had to miss some package
[09:36] <Adam_eM> i have an archaic rivatnt2 ultra
[09:36] <Adam_eM> it worked well on my previous distro (i mean the glxgears)
[09:36] <twstokes> It probably still runs better than most ATIs
[09:36] <twstokes> in Linux
[09:37] <Hoobly> anyone running Kubuntu on a macbook?
[09:38] <Adam_eM> twstokes: should i add the parameter at the begining or at the end of the section ? or it doesnt matter ?
[09:38] <twstokes> Adam_eM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:38] <twstokes> It doesn't matter, but if glxgears is choppy than the render accel isn't your problem
[09:39] <twstokes> Your card is supported in that Wiki
[09:39] <twstokes> You might have to install the legacy drivers
[09:40] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i've already done it. It works well - i can play some 3d games etc, but the composite doesn't work fine
[09:41] <twstokes> Hmm
[09:41] <twstokes> Try doing the render accel thing then
[09:41] <twstokes> Of course you have to restart X to turn it on
[09:44] <cox377> does any try running azuerues under kubuntu
[09:44] <Adam_eM> twstokes: might it be wrong edited xorg file ? glxgears gives me sth like this:
[09:44] <Adam_eM> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:44] <Adam_eM> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:45] <twstokes> I can past my xorg in pastbin if you'd like, I don't have a legacy card though but it still might help
[09:45] <twstokes> *Pastebin
[09:45] <Adam_eM> twstokes: if you'd be so kind.... ;-)
[09:46] <twstokes> No problem
[09:47] <twstokes> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/713676
[09:47] <twstokes> Now note also I have dual screens, so it might be a tad different, but no different for 3D acceleration
[09:47] <Chris_Tucker> i love the new shirt i just got... you@myhouse.now
[09:48] <Hawkwind> twstokes: What card do you use ?
[09:48] <twstokes> GeForce 6600 PCI-e
[09:48] <Adam_eM> btw: just got the kubuntu shipit cd's... after just two weeks of waiting, they're fast
[09:48] <Chris_Tucker> wonder if theres a place for doing custom domains that allows you to create your own .whatever at the end
[09:48] <svivian> twstokes: I notice right away that you have no DRI module loading, or a dri section
[09:48] <Chris_Tucker> myhouse.now id have a crappy site on just to have the email addresses :P
[09:49] <uniq> cox377: yes. azureus works fine.
[09:49] <twstokes> I do notice that too
[09:49] <uniq> cox377: by the way, it's in the universe repository.
[09:49] <twstokes> What does DRI do?
[09:49] <twstokes> I thought GLX was the acceleration part
[09:49] <svivian> Dynamic rendering something or other
[09:49] <twstokes> Is that just with ATI?
[09:49] <svivian> GLX is part of it.
[09:49] <twstokes> Interesting
[09:50] <Hawkwind> twstokes: Ahhh.  I'm about to switch this box(my main box) over to Kubuntu and I have a FX5200 and I run TwinView and I'm nervous about getting it to work in Kubuntu
[09:50] <twstokes> I have full acceleration
[09:50] <twstokes> FPS around 3800
[09:50] <twstokes> in glxgears
[09:50] <svivian> twstokes: I have been trying to get HW acceleration working on my machine as well. I have a FireGL V3100 with dual monitors
[09:50] <twstokes> Ah see FireGL is ATI
[09:50] <svivian> yes
[09:51] <twstokes> I think you only need DRI for ATI
[09:51] <twstokes> So let me guess, you can get acceleration, but not dual screens at the same time?
[09:51] <svivian> I can run glxgears, but it runs dog-slow
[09:51] <svivian> No, dual screens works fine, but I hjave no acceleration
[09:51] <twstokes> I see
[09:51] <twstokes> Are you using Dapper, did it work in Breezy?
[09:52] <svivian> I have Dapper, and yes, HW acceleration worked in Breezy, though the GL screensavers never worked.
[09:52] <Adam_eM> twstokes: ok i will logout then to see if it worked
[09:52] <twstokes> Ok
[09:52] <Hawkwind> twstokes: What resolution do each of your monitors run at ?
[09:52] <twstokes> Recently I had an ATI x300 and had breezy
[09:52] <Adam_eM> btw: i wonder if the card can cope the xgl thing ?
[09:52] <twstokes> and it worked fine with acceleration and duals,
[09:53] <twstokes> I'm not sure Adam
[09:53] <twstokes> BUT
[09:53] <twstokes> in Breezy the ATI would lock up sometimes
[09:53] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i heard it supports some archaic hardware too :)
[09:53] <twstokes> on reboot and drove me nuts. When I upgraded to Dapper, I could get one or the other, dual screens or 3D, but never both
[09:53] <twstokes> So recently I just bought an Nvidia, and have had absolutely no trouble at all
[09:54] <twstokes> I run my dual screens at 1024X768 Hawkwind
[09:54] <twstokes> Dual 19"
[09:54] <Adam_eM> ok see ya soon :)
[09:54] <twstokes> Alright
[09:54] <Adam_eM> ...in the smooth world :)
[09:54] <Hawkwind> twstokes: Ok kewl.  I think I'm going to grab a copy of your xorg.conf since I do 1024x768 as well on both monitors
[09:54] <twstokes> Hopefully
[09:54] <twstokes> Cool
[09:55] <svivian> twstokes: Unfortunately, this is a work machine, so I can't just yank the card and request an Nvidia
[09:56] <twstokes> Right
[09:56] <twstokes> I need to register - I can't send private messages
[09:56] <svivian> register with what?
[09:57] <twstokes> On freenode.net
[09:57] <twstokes> It wouldn't let me send a /msg to you
[09:57] <twstokes> For spam purposes
[09:57] <svivian> oh
[09:57] <svivian> that's annoying
[09:57] <twstokes> yep
[09:58] <twstokes> I was just fed up with all of the crazy ATI problems I had
[09:58] <twstokes> Had a terribly unstable system
[09:58] <twstokes> If you don't run acceleration with ATI though, it seems stable
[09:59] <svivian> As you say, other than the annoying lack of acceleration, this machine works fine.
[09:59] <twstokes> Yep I was in your shoes recently - I know exactly how it is
[09:59] <twstokes> At work do they run Linux? Or have you installed it yourself
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> I have got my fglrx running pretty stable (after alot of messing around)
[10:00] <twstokes> I'm not experienced enough to tweak it into being stable
[10:00] <svivian> I have installed it myself, but we are toying with going Linux, or at least going to a true mixed environment
[10:00] <twstokes> When they do start mixing linux, tell them to consider nvidias
[10:00] <svivian> My machine currently has two drives in it, one is WinXP, the other Kubuntu. I will remember the nvidia idea
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> Ideally for business you are better off with something that has open source drivers
[10:01] <twstokes> I've got XP pro / Vista  / Kubuntu all on different drives
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> (so your support contract isn't invalidated due to running a tainted kernel)
[10:01] <svivian> h3sp4wn: such as?
[10:01] <twstokes> Ah interesting
[10:02] <Adam_eM> twstokes: unfortunately it came to nothing
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> Intel have fully opensource drivers for the new chipsets for work I can't see you needing particuarly good 3d
[10:02] <twstokes> Hmmm
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> If you do buy an SGI
[10:02] <twstokes> Adam did you download the drivers and everything from that Wiki?
[10:02] <svivian> h3sp4wn: for the most part, you are right. Our developers and multimedia guys will need more, but most of them are already on Macs anyway
[10:03] <CaBlGuY> !linspire
[10:03] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> sivian: Do you develop games or something ? or do 3d design ?
[10:03] <CaBlGuY> hmmmm  anyone know anything about linspire?
[10:03] <svivian> h3sp4wn: no, we just do a lot of advertising and in-house application development
[10:03] <Adam_eM> twstokes: i'm not sure in view of i did that on my own, just typed in synaptic 'nvidia-legacy' and that's all
[10:04] <Adam_eM> what was the url twstokes ?
[10:04] <twstokes> Let me get it real quick
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> sivian: You don't need good 3d for writing backend type stuff though (The intel stuff is good enough - can run aiglx also)
[10:05] <twstokes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:05] <Adam_eM> thanks
[10:05] <CaBlGuY> I'll take as a no then.. ;)
[10:05] <svivian> h3sp4wn: true, but we also do a fair amount of web dev and graphics manipulation
[10:05] <twstokes> Remember that you have to enable the "restricted" package repository
[10:05] <Armagguedes> hello
[10:05] <svivian> h3sp4wn: also streaming media and video editing
[10:05] <Child4Christ> fixed my problem ^-^
[10:05] <Armagguedes> damn my laptop's keyboard keeps stop working.
[10:06] <Armagguedes> i have to reboot
[10:06] <CaBlGuY> streaming audio u can listen to with Streamtuner
[10:06] <Armagguedes> as i have no way to ctrl-alt-bckspc
[10:06] <Armagguedes> any ideas?
[10:06] <Child4Christ> are you using a laptop specific layout?
[10:06] <twstokes> The keys just stop working? All of them?
[10:06] <svivian> well, gtg. Probably back in on Monday
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> svivian: I why a media/artist guy would need more but not a developer (need as opposed to want)
[10:06] <Child4Christ> desktpo keyboards and laptops have diff layouts
[10:06] <Child4Christ> *desktop
[10:07] <oomph_> anyone have any issues installing Kubunto to Vmware?
[10:07] <oomph_> it seems to hang on me
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> what host os ?
[10:07] <oomph_> and the "live-expert" command does not seem to work
[10:07] <Adam_eM> oh i did install the nvidia-settings package which (in dapper) removes the glx driver
[10:07] <oomph_> my host OS is Windows 2000 running vmware
[10:07] <svivian> h3sp4wn: our lead dev is a web developer, not application. And all developers and much of the company use dual monitors so they can manage a CRM application
[10:07] <oomph_> im trying to test out Kubuntu on this machine
[10:07] <oomph_> i've gotten it to run without a hitch at home before
[10:08] <sun_> hol
[10:08] <sun_> a
[10:08] <Child4Christ> whats the CPU speed an RAM? oomph_?
[10:08] <sun_> ups hello
[10:08] <twstokes> Adam: Check out this page also: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[10:08] <square_head> Hi
[10:08] <svivian> well, gtg. Probably back in on Monday
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> svivian: The newest intel chipset is apparantly powerful enough to drive 2 monitors simultanously
[10:08] <twstokes> I actually think it works better
[10:08] <square_head> I have some problems with Xgl.
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> #ubuntu-xgl
[10:09] <square_head> First one is that I have multiple "X" applications in my bar
[10:09] <oomph_> nm just fixed it disabling ACPI all together
[10:09] <square_head> they help ppl with Kubuntu there too?
[10:09] <Child4Christ> :)
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> square_head: I presume so but its alpha software so basically a case of help yourself (add patches if you need them track the svn)
[10:10] <Tommy2k4> god damnit gaim keeps flashing the window even when theres no new msgs
[10:10] <Child4Christ> yea thats annoying
[10:10] <Child4Christ> i just use Kopete :)
[10:10] <Tommy2k4> think i might
[10:10] <twstokes> Kopete also
[10:11] <Child4Christ> Kopete has the flashing prob?
[10:11] <twstokes> My status updates with what song I'm playing in amaroK
[10:11] <twstokes> No, I use it also
[10:11] <Child4Christ> i use XMMS, amaroK doesnt work right for me :(
[10:11] <twstokes> What does it do wrong?
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> xmms doesnt work right for me :(
[10:11] <Child4Christ> xine engine dies
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: What is wrong with it ?
[10:11] <Tommy2k4> it wont play wma when amarok will
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: What soundcard ?
[10:12] <Child4Christ> i use the Avance Logic sound card an uses ALS4000 drivers an it just stops sometimes
[10:12] <bounty1342> kubuntu is compatible with wpa?
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: You don't run ats do you ?
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> arts sorry
[10:12] <Child4Christ> XMMX says stuff like "sound card is not configured correctly" and i keep changing it
[10:12] <Child4Christ> not sure, kinda stock Kubuntu atm
[10:12] <Adam_eM> what can i do not to resume my previous session automatically when i log in ? i want to have just a new session
[10:13] <Child4Christ> ALSA as far as i know
[10:13] <Child4Christ> i specifically tell it to use the ALS4000 drivers but again, same probs no matter what i tell it :|
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> I just have the Sound System (enable the sound system unchecked) in system settings
[10:14] <Child4Christ> sound works, just sometimes takes it a bit before it decides to use the card
[10:14] <Tommy2k4> how do i make kopete open on boot
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: Check if artsd is running in ps auxww
[10:14] <twstokes> Adam: System Settings > KDE Components
[10:14] <twstokes> Session Manager
[10:14] <Child4Christ> DesktopBSD was fine with it so was amaroK on it
[10:14] <twstokes> On Login: Start with an empty session
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: That is not using alsa though (but probably using arts)
[10:15] <Child4Christ> artsd is runnin
[10:16] <Child4Christ> if amaroK worked id use that
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> system settings -> sounds and multimedia - untick enable the soundsystem
[10:16] <twstokes> I doubt this will fix it, but try upgrading to the latest amaroK
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> (that will stop artsd)
[10:17] <Child4Christ> stopping artsd wont affect my ripper will it?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> no
[10:17] <Child4Christ> k
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> Its a software mixing solution thats not very good
[10:18] <Child4Christ> unticked
[10:18] <bernd> #show
[10:18] <Child4Christ> how do i upgrade amaroK?
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> check if arts is stopped if not killall
[10:18] <Child4Christ> fully stopped
[10:18] <Child4Christ> all i get is the grep i ran
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main (to sources.list)
[10:19] <h3sp4wn> Stopping arts may stop beeps and stuff from kde but they just irritate me when I am listening to music anyway
[10:20] <Child4Christ> more irritating when the sound on xmms dies then all you get for a few mins is diff system sounds constantly :|
[10:20] <Child4Christ> kinda makes you want to throw it out the winda xD
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> I don't like xmms at all really its very old
[10:21] <linuxmonkey> i love amarok
[10:21] <Child4Christ> apt-get install amarok?
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> yep (check that you are getting 1.4
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> I want to get amarok working with jackd
[10:22] <Child4Christ> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <-- just gives me this, guess i got the latest ver
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> did you apt-get update first ?
[10:22] <Child4Christ> oops
[10:23] <Child4Christ> haha shows how much i think :|
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: I wouldn't expect you to have 1.4 unless you had that repo already
[10:23] <Child4Christ> been a long day, was up at 4:15am
[10:26] <Child4Christ> hmm... updating :)
[10:26] <tmdx120> Hello all.
[10:26] <Child4Christ> hi
[10:26] <tmdx120> Quesion: I have breezy right now. How do I upgrade to dapper?
[10:26] <infidel_> hi!
[10:26] <LjL> !upgrade
[10:26] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[10:27] <Armagguedes> anyone know a good gaming site (gamespy gamespot ign etc)
[10:28] <infidel_> gaming sites : www.filefront.com www.gamesdomain.com
[10:28] <tmdx120> is dapper considered stable?
[10:28] <samuli> :P
[10:28] <samuli> It's released so..
[10:28] <tmdx120> Im just a newbie. Not sure about all this.
[10:28] <samuli> ok. It is considered stable.
[10:28] <Child4Christ> gah, more probs :|
[10:28] <infidel_> my suggestion: Get Dapper.
[10:29] <Child4Christ> do i need to enable mp3 playback in amaroK to listen to mp3s in amaroK?
[10:29] <samuli> Child4Christ: You need to install codecs for mp3, yes.
[10:29] <samuli> xine-extracodecs me thinks.
[10:30] <bernier> how can i copy a directory with the files in it and paste it somewhere with the console?
[10:30] <samuli> man cp bernier.
[10:30] <trappist> bernier: cp -a dirname /path/to/other/place
[10:32] <bernier> ok thanks
[10:32] <samuli> while updating via apt-get: ** (process:6805): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:32] <samuli> Anyone knows if that's something I should be worried about?
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: libxine-extracodecs it is
[10:34] <Child4Christ> thx
[10:34] <tmdx120> I am using Kubuntyu  and update-manager does not work.
[10:35] <tmdx120> none of my other repositories are working
[10:35] <Tommy2k4> grrrr i keep forgetting the parameters to untar a .gz
[10:35] <Child4Christ> thx :)))
[10:35] <Child4Christ> amaroK FINALLY works :D
[10:35] <Child4Christ> bye bye xmms
[10:35] <Child4Christ> lol
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: right-click -> untar
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> is there plugins for amarok
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: yes
[10:36] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: amaroK > xmms
[10:36] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: called scripts
[10:36] <Child4Christ> amaroK > xmms?
[10:36] <Tommy2k4> how about one to adjust pitch/tempo
[10:37] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: amaroK greater than xmms
[10:37] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: the equalizer?
[10:38] <Child4Christ> lol yea it is, i was using xmms before cause amaroK wouldnt work, now its all dsorted an i have amaroK back so im a happy bunny ^-^
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> no
[10:38] <Tommy2k4> as in make the tune play faster/slower
[10:39] <jpatrick> it's for listening to songs, who'll wanna do that?
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> me..
[10:39] <Tommy2k4> and im sure lots of other people would
[10:40] <jpatrick> bound to be one at kde-apps.org
[10:40] <Tommy2k4> dunno what to do with this kopete/amarok plugin thingy i dled :s
[10:41] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: is it a *.tar.gz?
[10:41] <Tommy2k4> it was
[10:42] <Tommy2k4> nvm i got it working :)
[10:42] <jpatrick> open amaroK -> Tools -> Script Manger -> Install script -> select the tar
[10:42] <Tommy2k4> i didnt even know whether it was an amarok or a kopete plugin lol
[10:43] <jpatrick> :/
[10:43] <bernier> how can i remove an apps i compiled?
[10:43] <Tommy2k4> how do i make kopete open on boot cos im pretty sure it doesnt
[10:44] <jpatrick> bernier: make uninstall if you have the build dir
[10:44] <bernier> ok
[10:44] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: install kcontrol-autostart
[10:44] <jme__> bernier: you may try 'make uninstall' but most likely you will have to do it 'by hand'
[10:47] <bernier> sudo make uninstall seems to work
[10:47] <jme__> cool, you are lucky :)
[10:48] <bernier> =P
[10:48] <bernier> now time to compile the latest kernel
[10:48] <bernier> lol
[10:48] <bernier> i know im gonna screw up my comp :P
[10:49] <jpatrick> bernier: I've done that loads of times
[10:49] <bernier> really? could you give me a nice tut? :P
[10:49] <bernier> a link to one i mean
[10:51] <jpatrick> bernier: make system unusable mostly
[10:51] <bernier> why?
[10:52] <jpatrick> I have
[10:52] <jpatrick> trying things out
[10:52] <Tommy2k4> i dont like the huge popup kopete gives when someone signs in
[10:52] <Tommy2k4> cant i make it crop to the first few chars of their name
[10:53] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: change their name
[10:54] <Tommy2k4> good idea
[10:54] <Raven301> Ok I'm done a dumb thing here ... I renamed sudoers to sudoers.org and now I can't rename it back? Any ideas??
[10:54] <Tommy2k4> i never think of the simple things lol
[10:55] <bernier> jpatrick: in the end if you do it right does it work?
[10:55] <bounty1342> wpa is possible?
[10:55] <Child4Christ> are updates a valid reason for the xine engine in amaroK not finding any audio devices?
[10:55] <jpatrick> bernier: I'm just saying that I sometimes break my system
[10:55] <jpatrick> Kernel compilation can go fine
[10:56] <Tommy2k4> can kopete show their display pictures in the contact list for msn
[10:56] <jpatrick> Raven301: get live cd and edit it
[10:56] <zani> hi all
[10:56] <bernier> jpatrick i dont care 'bout that im just trying things out
[10:56] <Raven301> jpatrick: ok thanks
[10:56] <jpatrick> Tommy2k4: appearance -> contact list -> Contact Display Mode
[10:57] <infidel_> Need help with SuperKaramba; when I ./configure I get error saying no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH, what does this mean?
[10:57] <Child4Christ> how do i use another engine in amaroK? xine just freaks out :|
[10:57] <jpatrick> !build
[10:57] <ubotu> If you want to build software, you need the build-essential package to start with
[10:57] <jpatrick> infidel_: ^
[10:57] <jme__> infidel_: type 'which gcc' and paste the answer here
[10:57] <infidel_> ok
[10:57] <bernier> whenever i paly a video I get this error: alsa-control unable to find simple control "PCM"
[10:57] <bernier> what's that?
[10:58] <jme__> bernier: a misconfiguration of your alsa
[10:58] <jme__> alsa is a layer to handle sound under linux
[10:58] <bernier> did i have to confidure anything..?
[10:58] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: choose another
[10:58] <jme__> and no i dont know how to fix it :)
[10:58] <bernier> well i can play MP3's
[10:58] <infidel_> jme: Do I type that in Konsole? :] 
[10:58] <jme__> infidel_: yes
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> How is the best way to make "/usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2" be launched whenever I login ?
[10:58] <bernier> and sounds work with kaffeine
[10:59] <infidel_> jme: It doesn't say anything :(
[10:59] <jme__> infidel_: install 'gcc' package
[10:59] <jme__> infidel_: this is a C compiler
[10:59] <Child4Christ> jpatrick: theres only the xine engine selectable :/
[10:59] <jpatrick> Child4Christ: :/
[10:59] <jme__> bernier: you are likely using a non alsa sound system
[10:59] <jme__> like arts
[10:59] <jpatrick> infidel_: or apt-get install build-essential
[11:00] <bernier> ok
[11:00] <bernier> ill google it..
[11:00] <bernier> thanks
[11:00] <djkoock> who helps me to shape my modem speed touch 330?
[11:00] <knubbe> ive screwed up this time. :)
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone tell me the syntax to start something from .kde/Autostart
[11:01] <Tommy2k4> i need an amarok script that can change the pitch/tempo of a song
[11:01] <djkoock> help me
[11:01] <knubbe> i just installed new drivers from http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/
[11:01] <infidel_> jpatrick: It is asking me if I am a root
[11:01] <knubbe> but it seems like if theyre not compatible with the dapper kernel
[11:01] <knubbe> so now my 3d accelleration doesnt work anymore
[11:01] <jpatrick> infidel_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:01] <knubbe> how do i go back to dappers video driver?
[11:02] <jpatrick> h3sp4wn: install kcontrol-autostart
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> it appears you just have to put a shell script in there and it should run on login
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> If it doesn't I will try kcontrol-autostart - thanks
[11:04] <knubbe> or maybe its not possible to uninstall a graphics driver?
[11:04] <infidel_> jpatrick: it asks me for the kubuntu cdrom, I inserted the kubuntu dvd but it does nothing how so
[11:05] <jpatrick> infidel_: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" -  comment (add a # infront of the deb-cdrom line)
[11:08] <vassilis> hello
[11:09] <animato> hey, kubuntu won't save my power options even though i used admin mode. maybe it's cuz i told it to stop saving my sessions?
[11:11] <cox377> hi, is there anyone about that knows about samda networks etc and within kubuntu and windowz?
[11:11] <Child4Christ> amaroK says it cant initialise any audio-devices after a tracks played then errors then dies, is it my sound card?
[11:12] <vassilis> does anyone know the minimum system requirements for kubuntu (with kde)
[11:13] <vassilis> ?
[11:14] <tobberoth> vassilis: I hear you need 512RAM
[11:14] <tobberoth> for KDE to work well
[11:15] <animato> what about gnome?
[11:17] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hi
[11:18] <vassilis> what about cpu? graphics card?
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> bullshit
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am running kde
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with ubuntu, that is kubuntu, with 256MB ram and a 600Mhz Processor
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> everything's fine..
[11:21] <Tommy2k4> is there a way to make kopete only close the active tab when i click the x
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ask #kopete
[11:23] <infidel_> I've got a problem: Konsole says Insert disc labeled 'Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531.1) ' in the drive 'cdrom/' and press enter. I inserted my kubuntu DVD and nothing happens why
[11:26] <Raven301> When you visudo ... How do you save what you have edited??
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Raven301: ??
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try with :w!
[11:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't really remember if you have to press ESC before it
[11:35] <Raven301> Tallia1Kubuntu: thanks ... the esc key isn't working so I can't save
[11:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eheh, that's not good
[11:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you could remap an unused key of your keyboard to the esc key
[11:37] <Raven301> Tallia1Kubuntu: ok
[11:37] <Raven301> thanks
[11:44] <raphink> huhu
[11:45] <wilfred> anyone here use synaptic instead of adept?
[11:45] <raphink> I use the console :)
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > is synaptic better?
[11:45] <raphink> cli powa
[11:45] <wilfred> I'm beginning to think the console would be easier :-s...
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > =o
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > then use adept
[11:45] <raphink> wilfred: depends what you want to do
[11:45] <wilfred> synaptic is more user-friendly imho
[11:45] <[Evil] [Ernie] > you just click and hit install and its done
[11:46] <[Evil] [Ernie] > at least, i keep doing that and i cant find half the things im installing
[11:46] <raphink> wilfred: you're welcome to help with adept :)
[11:46] <raphink> if you have ideas / time to dev
[11:47] <wilfred> lol. the dev responsible hasn't seemed very open to suggestions :-(
[11:47] <raphink> have you talked to him?
[11:48] <wilfred> nope, just looking at his responses to features bugs on launchpad
[11:48] <raphink> oh mornfall is a bit harsh sometimes
[11:48] <raphink> but if you take the time to talk with him about your ideas, he might be interested
[11:48] <raphink> esp. if you're willing to help coding I guess
[11:49] <wilfred> I'm happy to do documentation if the app is good enough, as my coding skills aren't at that level yet
[11:49] <raphink> ok :)
[11:50] <raphink> documentation is always welcome
[11:50] <wilfred> :-) - adept doesn't have a handbook yet does it?
[11:50] <obscurite_> anyone find that their atheros card has trouble grabbing a link until you manually set frequency?
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > wilfred
[11:51] <raphink> wilfred: don't know, check :)
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > when you finish that handbook send it to me
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > maybe it will tell me where everything is being installed
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[11:51] <raphink> how do you mean ernie?
[11:51] <raphink> what do you want to know ?
[11:51] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i keep installing things from Adept
[11:52] <raphink> like what?
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i have no idea where the files are located
[11:52] <raphink> give an example
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > i installed a different IRC earlier
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > client
[11:52] <nico8481> man, that tux burping each time it catches a fish is disgusting!
[11:52] <raphink> what is it?
[11:52] <[Evil] [Ernie] > bitchx
[11:52] <raphink> ok
[11:52] <obscurite_> Ernie - type dpkg -L <pkg> to get a list of installed files
[11:53] <raphink> ernie : dpkg -L bitchx
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > rgr
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > there it is
[11:53] <[Evil] [Ernie] > doesnt say where or how to run it though >.>
[11:53] <wilfred> I don't suppose you could tell me where I could find a template for writing a handbook?
[11:54] <raphink> ernie : man dpkg
[11:54] <raphink> would have told you
[11:54] <raphink> wilfred: I suppose if you ask on #kde they will tell you
[11:55] <raphink> since this is for a kde app
[11:55] <wilfred> ok-doke. thanks
[11:55] <raphink> I guess it might be using docbook
[11:55] <raphink> then converting it to html and other formats
[11:56] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ah
[11:56] <[Evil] [Ernie] > its in /etc/bitchx
[11:57] <raphink> it seems we need man pages for adept* bins, too wilfred
[11:57] <raphink> if you're volunteering for them
[11:57] <raphink> it's fairly easy to do
[11:57] <raphink> ernie : the conf file ?
[11:57] <[Evil] [Ernie] > yepper!
[11:57] <raphink> that's not surprising
[11:57] <wilfred> man pages? Aren't they only for text-based programs?
[11:57] <raphink> default system-wide confs are in /etc
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > oh
[11:58] <raphink> according to the LSB standard
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > ive only been using linux for like 2 days =o
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > this is all surprising to me
[11:58] <raphink> ok :)
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > lol
[11:58] <raphink> I see :)
[11:58] <raphink> well
[11:58] <raphink> default system wide conf is located in /etc
[11:58] <raphink> then local conf modified by the admin might be in /usr/share
[11:58] <[Evil] [Ernie] > hm
[11:58] <raphink> then the local conf for each user is in ~
[11:59] <raphink> (i.e. /home/$user)
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > awesome
[11:59] <raphink> for kde apps specifically
[11:59] <raphink> the local systemwide conf is in /usr/share/apps
[11:59] <raphink> while the user conf is in ~/.kde/
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > what exactly are conf files used for?
[11:59] <raphink> hmm
[11:59] <raphink> configuration ;)
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > im assuming its short for configuration?
[11:59] <[Evil] [Ernie] > aye
[12:00] <raphink> on linux, all the conf is text files
[12:00] <raphink> so they can be edited manually
[12:00] <raphink> tuned, commented, etc.
[12:00] <raphink> very easily
[12:00] <raphink> there's nothing to hide :)
[12:00] <[Evil] [Ernie] > well i found bitchx executable in /usr/bin but nothing happens when i run it!
[12:00] <raphink> binaries can be located in various places
[12:01] <raphink>  /bin and /sbin have a few essential binaries
[12:01] <raphink> sbin being binaries for emergency administration
[12:01] <raphink> mostly
[12:01] <raphink> then /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are where most programs you will install will be
[12:01] <raphink> ernie : how do you run it?
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > that's what im trying to figure out =p
[12:02] <raphink> ernie : I'd think the package would have added a bitchx entry in your K menu
[12:02] <raphink> otherwise, you can just type `bitchx` in konsole
[12:02] <raphink> and that should launch it
[12:02] <raphink> preferably, you might want to type `bitchx &` so as to free the command line after the program is launched
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > excellent
[12:02] <[Evil] [Ernie] > worked in konsole
[12:03] <raphink> or just use ctrl+alt+F2
[12:03] <raphink> and type `bitchx` in the field
[12:03] <[Evil] [Ernie] > the package, along with many others, didn't make any entries in my k-menu :(