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| nooby_god | I'm goging to write a wiki article on the linux-wlan-ng drivers | 02:27 |
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| nooby_god | how ever my ability to explain isn't so great, is the a documentation 'scratch pad' somewhere? | 02:27 |
| mdke | nooby_god: sounds great. Is there anything about it already? | 02:27 |
| nooby_god | mdke: some of it is taked in a guide already but it did not work for me | 02:28 |
| mdke | nooby_god: the best thing is to try and improve that guide, by correcting it where it doesn't work. Does that make sense? | 02:28 |
| nooby_god | ok | 02:29 |
| mdke | nooby_god: for help editing the wiki, check out the WikiGuide page | 02:29 |
| nooby_god | the guide that already talks about it has the correct documentation | 02:30 |
| nooby_god | but it doesn't work anymore because of this bug -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/21569 | 02:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 21569 in linux-source-2.6.15 "prism2_usb: requires wlanctl-ng commands in order to work properly" [Medium,Confirmed] | 02:30 |
| mdke | ah, ok. Sounds like you have a good idea about what is going on | 02:31 |
| mdke | maybe you can just add a note to work around that bug | 02:31 |
| nooby_god | is there a scratchpad for socumentation some where? | 02:32 |
| nooby_god | or should I just ass stuff onto the wiki | 02:32 |
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| LaserJock | bah, is Burgwork the only mediawiki guy? | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | mdke: thanks :-) | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | nooby_god: hi again! | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | nooby_god: do you have a personal page on the wiki? | 02:33 |
| nooby_god | hey LaserJock I gave up on creating packages, too much I didn't know | 02:34 |
| nooby_god | uhh not yet | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | like my page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha | 02:34 |
| crimsun_ | nooby_god: (most packages are fairly straightforward) | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | you could then use sub pages of that for a scratch pad | 02:35 |
| nooby_god | ah, I see LaserJoc, just like wikipedia | 02:35 |
| nooby_god | crimsun_: let's discuss this on the appropriate channel | 02:36 |
| crimsun_ | nooby_god: if it's a documentation issue (ala PG), it's as appropriate here. | 02:37 |
| nooby_god | uhh not a documentation issue, more like my intelligence issue | 02:37 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 04:51 |
| gobbe | hi | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: you ever set up a mediawiki wiki? | 04:55 |
| Madpilot | looks like a good agenda for tomorrow's meeting - too bad I'll be stuck at work :| | 04:55 |
| Plug | I have, if you need help? | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | Plug: ah sweet | 04:56 |
| Plug | It was all very simple at the time. :) | 04:56 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock, nope, but I gather it's fairly turnkey | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | Plug: I don't understand what the WikiSysops user part is about | 04:56 |
| Plug | I didn't use a package, but I believe there is a reasonably up to date one | 04:56 |
| Plug | WikiSysop is the first user created | 04:56 |
| Plug | you use that account to create others | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | but it isn't in the data base | 04:57 |
| Plug | or you can set up external auth. | 04:57 |
| Plug | I think its in LocalSettings.php | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | I can't figure out how to administer anything | 04:57 |
| Plug | start with LocalSettings.php | 04:57 |
| Plug | you should have a wikisysop password defined in there | 04:57 |
| Plug | I'll be back in 45mins or so sorry, lunch now | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | ok, so WikiSysops doesn't do anything/ | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | ? | 04:57 |
| Plug | WikiSysop is a user | 04:58 |
| Plug | there is a sysops group | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | but I can't login as that user | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | so what's the point? | 04:58 |
| Plug | and a beauracracts group as well | 04:58 |
| Plug | the point is you should be able to :) | 04:58 |
| Plug | bbl | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | oh | 04:58 |
| Plug | (sorry about my shit timing) | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | np | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | bah, I don't see anything in LocalSettings.php | 05:00 |
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| Madpilot | gah, more wiki vandalising morons - Henrik seems to have spent quite a bit of time reverting from this one :| | 05:43 |
| nixternal | http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/368/data5ze.gif | 05:43 |
| Madpilot | hehe | 05:44 |
| nixternal | so has he done a lot of vandalising or no? | 05:44 |
| Madpilot | henrik wasn't the vandal | 05:47 |
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| Plug | Laser_away: I'm back now | 05:49 |
| Plug | but you're not :) | 05:49 |
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| LaserJock | Plug: still around? | 06:22 |
| Plug | yo | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | ok | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | so I can't find my WikiSysops and I can't login as that user either | 06:23 |
| Plug | right | 06:23 |
| Plug | be some hot lesbian action | 06:23 |
| Plug | (wrong thing to paste ;) | 06:24 |
| Plug | http://localhost/mediawiki/config | 06:24 |
| Plug | on that page, you define your db settings and sysop credentials | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | it says already configured | 06:24 |
| Plug | Did you install it from source or a package? | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | source | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | I mean I ran all the stuff, the wiki is up | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | I even created a new user | 06:25 |
| Plug | well, on that page, you should have been able to define your sysop username/pwd. Do you know that? | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | yes | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | I did that | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | that's what I'm saying | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | I did that but now I can't log in as that user | 06:26 |
| Plug | right, sorry for being wordy; now I know exactly where you're at. | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | np | 06:26 |
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| Plug | the first user in my 'user' table is wikisysop | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | bah | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | :( | 06:28 |
| Plug | you said it wasn't there for you | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | no, it's not | 06:28 |
| Plug | hmmm, maybe it couldn't write to the DB at the time | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | so does that mean the first user made would be the sysop | 06:28 |
| Plug | nope | 06:29 |
| Plug | user_group table | 06:29 |
| Plug | user_groups sorry | 06:29 |
| Plug | create a row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "sysop" | 06:30 |
| Plug | also another row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "bureaucrat" | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | so as long as I have at least one sysop and bureaucrat I'll be ok? | 06:30 |
| Plug | well, yeah | 06:31 |
| Plug | as long as your account is a sysop you can do the rest from within mediawiki | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered if WikiSysop was a specail sysop | 06:31 |
| Plug | I don't believe so. I recall you can set the name on the config screen too | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:32 |
| Plug | Any luck, LaserJock? | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | well ... | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I'm not the sysadmin so it's going to take a while to test :-) | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I asked in #mediawiki as well | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | one guy said to just wipe it and start over | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | but I think your idea seems logical | 06:44 |
| Plug | You don't need to wipe and start over with Linux. :) | 06:52 |
| Plug | let me know how it goes for you. | 06:53 |
| Plug | bbl | 06:53 |
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| jsgotangco | hello hello | 07:49 |
| nixternal | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594167289193/ | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | au revoir! | 08:36 |
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| mdke | morning | 10:21 |
| matthewrevell | morning | 10:22 |
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| bhuvan | how do we change the topic in #ubuntu-meeting ? | 02:38 |
| mdke | not sure | 02:38 |
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| bhuvan | mdke: it seem to be based on the calendar in: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | 02:39 |
| bhuvan | docteam meeting is wrongly set as jun 15. as per Agenda it was/is jun 16 15utc | 02:40 |
| Plug | web says 1700UTC? | 02:41 |
| jjesse | its 1700 utc | 02:41 |
| Plug | or 5am Plug-time :( | 02:41 |
| jjesse | bummer plug | 02:41 |
| jjesse | 1pm jjesse time :) | 02:41 |
| mdke | bhuvan: yes | 02:42 |
| bhuvan | Plug: yeah it is 1700UTC | 02:42 |
| Plug | In that case, I look forward to reading the minutes! | 02:42 |
| Plug | While I'm here, anyone know why all of GNOME is updated in dapper-updates atm? | 02:43 |
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| mdke | Plug: yes, because it fixes bugs | 02:44 |
| Plug | figured :) | 02:44 |
| Plug | The changelogs in the updater are MIA. | 02:45 |
| mdke | yes | 02:45 |
| mdke | bbl | 02:45 |
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| matthewrevell | Afternoon guys | 04:01 |
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| nixternal | meeting in 1hr15min | 05:39 |
| Laser_away | wow, we have a time keeper ;-) | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | wow there's a meeting? | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | but i have to sleep :/ | 05:41 |
| archis | nixternal, thanks :) | 05:41 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:42 |
| nixternal | that is what kontact is telling me | 05:42 |
| mdke | hi archis | 05:42 |
| Laser_away | jsgotangco: no sleep :-) | 05:42 |
| mdke | nice work on the wiki | 05:42 |
| jeffsch | Laser_away: did you get your mediawiki problems worked out? | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | what sort of problems? | 05:42 |
| archis | mkde heya | 05:42 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: I don't know, I'm waiting for the sysadmin to email me back | 05:42 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: when I get in to school I'll drop by his office | 05:43 |
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| jeffsch | Laser_away: ah. you are installing in a /home directory? | 05:44 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: no, on the department server /www | 05:45 |
| jeffsch | do you have root access to it? | 05:45 |
| Laser_away | jsgotangco: I tried to set up a mediawiki at work but I ended up without a sysops | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 05:46 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: no, hence the waiting for the sysadmin ;-) | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | that's weird | 05:46 |
| Laser_away | and since this was my first time trying mediawiki I wasn't sure what to do | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | even if you install it in a home director sysop is still the first account created... | 05:46 |
| jeffsch | Laser_away: hmm... do you at least have permissions to chown in /www? | 05:46 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: hmm, not sure | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | honestly mediawiki is one of the easiest server apps that can be installed from a tgz | 05:47 |
| Laser_away | jsgotangco: not in this case :( | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | interesting | 05:47 |
| Laser_away | so now we have 2 users (sysadmin and I) and no sysops :-) | 05:48 |
| jeffsch | if you copy the mediawiki tarball to, say, /www/mediawiki, then chown /www/mediawiki/config to www-data, you should be good to go | 05:48 |
| jeffsch | copy the contents of the tarball, that is | 05:48 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: ? | 05:48 |
| jeffsch | assuming www-data is the username of the web server | 05:49 |
| jeffsch | did you install from a .tar.gz file? | 05:49 |
| Laser_away | config is already owned by www-data | 05:50 |
| jeffsch | ok, then you can go to http://servername/mediawiki? | 05:50 |
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| Laser_away | jeffsch: yeah, and get the wiki | 05:51 |
| jeffsch | does it say "Please set up the wiki first"? | 05:51 |
| Laser_away | no | 05:51 |
| Laser_away | I already set it up | 05:51 |
| Laser_away | it all works | 05:51 |
| Laser_away | there just isn't a sysops user | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | hrmmmm | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | maybe there was a previous instance | 05:52 |
| Laser_away | nope | 05:52 |
| Laser_away | never *any* wikis on this server | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | well its interesting to know that you didn't set it up at all | 05:52 |
| jeffsch | on the setup page, there's no fields for superuser account and superuser password? | 05:52 |
| Laser_away | there was | 05:52 |
| Laser_away | we set it up | 05:52 |
| Laser_away | but it never created the user | 05:52 |
| jeffsch | those are for the root user on the MySQL database, not for the operating system | 05:53 |
| Laser_away | yeah | 05:53 |
| jeffsch | did it ever create a LocalSettings.php? | 05:54 |
| Laser_away | yeah | 05:54 |
| Laser_away | jeffsch: can you hang on for like 30 min. I've got to get into school | 05:54 |
| jeffsch | ok | 05:54 |
| Laser_away | basically, as far as I can tell, it's a perfectly working wiki except there is no sysops user | 05:55 |
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| LaserJock | phew, back | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | jeffsch: we did have a mysql error when we first tryed configuring the wiki | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | jeffsch: I guess that's got to be the problem | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | but I is kinda odd | 06:17 |
| jeffsch | what was the error? | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | gosh, I can't exactly remember | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | something about being over 500 in a key or something | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | but I know basically nothing about mysql | 06:19 |
| jeffsch | i suggest redoing it from scratch... i just finished a fresh install while you were on your way to school... it easier than trying to figure out what went wrong | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | it's pretty painless, if it works :-) | 06:20 |
| jeffsch | k, i hafta go now.... have a nice meeting guys | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | jeffsch: thanks for looking at my wiki problem | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | mdke: did you merge common stuff? My merged PG can't find lulu-store | 06:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock: what is lulu-store? | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | the URL for lulu | 06:30 |
| mdke | ah. No I haven't | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | I don't think I made it up :-) | 06:30 |
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| Exdaix | *twiddles his thumbs* | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | bah, why is there a index.php in the path of my wiki ? :/ | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | mdke: are you working on merging common? should I commit what I have now? | 06:50 |
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| jjesse | doc team meeting in a couple of minutes right? | 06:53 |
| Exdaix | That's my impression | 06:53 |
| bhuvan | jjesse: yes | 06:56 |
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| mdke | DonSc! | 07:02 |
| DonSc | hey mdke | 07:02 |
| mdke | heya | 07:02 |
| jjesse | meeting begining in #ubuntu-meeting | 07:02 |
| mdke | I have to go home | 07:02 |
| mdke | I'll catch up on the log | 07:02 |
| jjesse | bummer | 07:02 |
| DonSc | figured I'd pop in and say hello | 07:02 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: you're here? | 08:39 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yes | 08:40 |
| mdke | meeting still on? | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | we had a rousing discussion of your proposal | 08:40 |
| mdke | good | 08:40 |
| mdke | i'll catch up on the log later | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | you should of been there | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | I had to explain it | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | and I don't even know that much :-) | 08:41 |
| mdke | does my page not explain it?> | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | well, people got somewhat confused at times | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | it's just a radical and big change :-) | 08:42 |
| bhuvan | ok guys, i'm moving on | 08:55 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: what was the general view? | 08:58 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: general view of? | 09:10 |
| mdke | LaserJock: that idea of breaking down the help system a bit | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | I think it was ok | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | people didn't seem to get the idea right away, maybe I don't get it and maybe I didn't explain it very well | 09:28 |
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| LaserJock | \o/ I've got my first real wiki | 10:09 |
| mdke | unofficial ubuntu docs eh? | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | no | 10:10 |
| mdke | my lulu book arrived today, looks really nice | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | yeah? cool | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | I created the University of Nevada, Reno Chemistry Graduate Student Association website ;-) | 10:10 |
| mdke | cool | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | it's mediawiki | 10:11 |
| mdke | uncool | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | we tried moin first | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | but SuSe didn't have python 2.2 :( | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | 2.4 | 10:11 |
| mdke | eh? | 10:12 |
| mdke | it should work with 2.3, surely | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | not out of the box, distutils poroblem | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | anyway, the sysadmin already had a LAMP setup | 10:13 |
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| mdke | Python 2.3 is the minimum requirement for MoinMoin 1.5, but we suggest you use the latest Python release version. | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | but apparently SuSE 9.3 didn't have distutils | 10:14 |
| mdke | dunno what distutils is, but it sounds like SUSE sucks | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | if it was me, I would have gotten Moin to work, but the sysadmin didn't want to bother with it | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | distutils is what is used to install python apps, ala python setup.py | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I've never used mediawiki so this will be a chance to take it for a spin | 10:16 |
| mdke | nod | 10:16 |
| mdke | got the theme going? | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | right now it's just default | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | I had problems getting the administrator user setup (something weird happened when installing) | 10:17 |
| mdke | i saw | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | so now I need to get user stuff setup and I'll work on themeing/content | 10:17 |
| mdke | cool, enjoy | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | I hope so | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | I also got to do some Ubuntu evangelizing with the sysadmin ;-) | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | mdke: oh, and the super top secret project is in dapper-changes :-) | 10:19 |
| mdke | non free software eh | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | I should take a shower | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | it was ... interesting | 10:21 |
| mdke | what is it? | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | http://userful.com/products/dm | 10:23 |
| mdke | hope you got a few bob out of it :) | 10:23 |
| mdke | to compensate for touching multiverse | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | enough to almost cover the cost of my passport | 10:23 |
| mdke | heh | 10:24 |
| mdke | so it's like a thin client thing? | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | kinda | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I'm not too sure of what exactly it does, but it has it's own X | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | anyway, it was an interesting experience | 10:25 |
| mdke | :) | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I learned a few things about debconf and the corporate software world | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I even had my first conference call ;-) | 10:25 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: hehe, maybe he should use "real" software ;-) j/k | 10:29 |
| nixternal | http://static.flickr.com/52/168487574_d98223264a_o.png | 10:36 |
| nixternal | take a guess on what im working on :) | 10:36 |
| mdke | LaserJock: tbh, evolution would probably have done worse | 10:37 |
| mdke | nixternal: what's that "Matt" one >_< | 10:37 |
| nixternal | muhahah | 10:37 |
| nixternal | that is your proposal | 10:37 |
| nixternal | had it open from the meeting | 10:37 |
| mdke | aha | 10:37 |
| nixternal | reading it and re-reading it so i can understand the system fully | 10:38 |
| mdke | i thought you were spying on me | 10:38 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:38 |
| nixternal | already did that...don't need to do it again ;) | 10:39 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:39 |
| mdke | I'll make an effort to tidy up that page to make it a bit clearer | 10:39 |
| nixternal | it was made pretty clear by LaserJock thats for sure | 10:40 |
| nixternal | he did a damn fine job of wording it in the meeting | 10:40 |
| mdke | ah, splendid | 10:40 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: "it will take a lot of hard work and *really* good communication with upstreams" | 10:53 |
| mdke | LaserJock: I don't think communication with upstream is necessary, the idea is just to bring in the docs that exist from upstream | 10:53 |
| mdke | using ghelp links it would work fine | 10:55 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: wasn't think of evo (I can never get it to work) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I wasn't sure how much upstream would be needed but I thought that perhaps they would need to be consulted | 11:00 |
| mdke | in terms of patching upstream docs, maybe we'd need to keep aware of changes, yeah. But I think patching upstream docs would be too much effort for this release cycle | 11:01 |
| mdke | just linking them in would already be a significant improvement | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 11:02 |
| mdke | possibly do a quick s/Desktop Menu/System Menu | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | there is soo much documentation that is in yelp already, we just need to present it better, IMHO | 11:02 |
| mdke | well, don't forget that my idea would involve cutting out most of the stuff that appears in the various TOCs at the moment | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | mdke: like what? | 11:03 |
| mdke | well, realistically, most of them | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | :( | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | I like my little weird docs | 11:04 |
| mdke | I'd say things like the gnome user guide, accessibility guide, and so on are things we should be able to accomodate really nicely | 11:04 |
| mdke | the other stuff is more difficult, and don't forget that if we do it, ubuntu-docs will need to depend on any other packages that supply docs we link | 11:04 |
| mdke | obviously, they'd still be available from the search bar | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | there isn't a way to add them in dynamically? | 11:04 |
| mdke | well, the whole point is binning the category system | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | hmm, we need a mock up or something | 11:06 |
| mdke | yes, I'll do a bit of work on it | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm getting confused too | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:06 |
| mdke | but to be honest, most of the docs indexed in yelp at the moment are totally useless | 11:06 |
| mdke | from the point of view of desktop documentation, the man and info pages are a hindrance, rather than a feature | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | like what happens when we have Dive into Python installed? where does it go | 11:07 |
| linuxmonkey | just like windows docs mdke..totally useless | 11:07 |
| mdke | LaserJock: that's easy | 11:07 |
| mdke | LaserJock: we do it already, see the Programming section of the desktop guide | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, yes, that one is | 11:07 |
| mdke | same principle | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | but what if the user installs pygtk, where would the go to get the tutorial and reference? | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | maybe that is a bit better example | 11:08 |
| mdke | where do they go now? | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | well, glade is in Applications -> Programming | 11:09 |
| mdke | do people look there, or do they just get a browser and find it on their filesystem? | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | I use yelp | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | but ... | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | I'd really like to use the help system for these things | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | there is a lot of good info | 11:10 |
| mdke | I see your point | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | there is bzr documentation | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | lots of good programming stuff | 11:10 |
| mdke | potentially we'd need a way to link to what is in applications/programming now from one of our subpages | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | science apps | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | maxima has good docs in Applications -> Science | 11:11 |
| mdke | so we'd need a way to get links to those pages going | 11:11 |
| mdke | tricky, I'm not sure that can be done, I'll ask the yelp guys | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | it seems to me that a system sort of like the menu would be cool | 11:12 |
| mdke | if it can't, we'll have to bin my plan and hope that upstream improve the categories for 2.16 | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | so in the menu you have .desktop files that describe what categories the app belongs to | 11:12 |
| mdke | LaserJock: that's the current system | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | and then the menu system takes the .desktops and figures out how to display them | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | k | 11:13 |
| mdke | note how Applications follows the menu | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | right | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying you could probably dump most of that into "Using your desktop" | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | dump System Tools into "Administering your system" or something | 11:15 |
| mdke | yes | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, but it seems like there's got to be a way of doing this in a way the helps user find what the want | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | but I don't know any of the internals so I'm just spouting off right now ;-) | 11:16 |
| mdke | yes, I will chat to the yelp guys | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | this biggest problem for me WRT documentation has been that I didn't know that I had all this documentation sitting right there in front of me | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | I always assumed you had to go online | 11:17 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:17 |
| mdke | everyone does | 11:17 |
| nixternal | what is the quickest and best way to report a change for h.u.c concerning the about-kubuntu documentation? | 11:17 |
| mdke | nixternal: you mean a bug? | 11:17 |
| nixternal | not a bug..or a change sorry...there is just old info in the current doc...just needs an update/refresher | 11:17 |
| mdke | that's a bug | 11:18 |
| mdke | https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bugs | 11:18 |
| nixternal | roger tha | 11:18 |
| nixternal | t | 11:18 |
| mdke | it's too late to do anything about it for dapper though | 11:18 |
| nixternal | oh ok | 11:18 |
| nixternal | then no worries | 11:18 |
| mdke | if you file it, we can fix it for the next release | 11:18 |
| nixternal | it has kubuntu with kde 3.5.2 which is now 3.5.3...no biggy really...as for edgy..don't know the version yet...im guessing as of right now 3.5.3, unless there are updates | 11:20 |
| mdke | gotcha | 11:21 |
| nixternal | might be a stupid question, but why don't they allow for changes to current releases? | 11:21 |
| mdke | it's not "them", it's us, doing so would break our translation infrastructure... we could think about a clever way to update text, and allow a certain amount of time for translation before committing it, I suppose, but we don't have one right now | 11:22 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 11:22 |
| nixternal | ok | 11:22 |
| nixternal | thx for that info... | 11:22 |
| mdke | np | 11:22 |
| nixternal | so now we start looking forward to Edgy documentation, which i can't wait for ;) | 11:24 |
| mdke | that's it | 11:25 |
| linuxmonkey | anyone know when kde 4 is due out, will it be in time for edgy | 11:29 |
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