=== tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nooby_god [n=zameer@CPE000c41b31da7-CM00080d825a44.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:27] I'm goging to write a wiki article on the linux-wlan-ng drivers === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:27] how ever my ability to explain isn't so great, is the a documentation 'scratch pad' somewhere? [02:27] nooby_god: sounds great. Is there anything about it already? [02:28] mdke: some of it is taked in a guide already but it did not work for me [02:28] nooby_god: the best thing is to try and improve that guide, by correcting it where it doesn't work. Does that make sense? [02:29] ok [02:29] nooby_god: for help editing the wiki, check out the WikiGuide page [02:30] the guide that already talks about it has the correct documentation [02:30] but it doesn't work anymore because of this bug -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/21569 [02:30] Malone bug 21569 in linux-source-2.6.15 "prism2_usb: requires wlanctl-ng commands in order to work properly" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:31] ah, ok. Sounds like you have a good idea about what is going on [02:31] maybe you can just add a note to work around that bug [02:32] is there a scratchpad for socumentation some where? [02:32] or should I just ass stuff onto the wiki === mdke hands over to LaserJock, and goes to bed [02:33] bah, is Burgwork the only mediawiki guy? [02:33] mdke: thanks :-) [02:33] nooby_god: hi again! [02:33] nooby_god: do you have a personal page on the wiki? [02:34] hey LaserJock I gave up on creating packages, too much I didn't know [02:34] uhh not yet [02:34] like my page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha [02:35] nooby_god: (most packages are fairly straightforward) [02:35] you could then use sub pages of that for a scratch pad [02:35] ah, I see LaserJoc, just like wikipedia [02:36] crimsun_: let's discuss this on the appropriate channel [02:37] nooby_god: if it's a documentation issue (ala PG), it's as appropriate here. [02:37] uhh not a documentation issue, more like my intelligence issue === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:51] hi all [04:52] hi [04:55] hi Madpilot [04:55] Madpilot: you ever set up a mediawiki wiki? [04:55] looks like a good agenda for tomorrow's meeting - too bad I'll be stuck at work :| [04:55] I have, if you need help? [04:56] Plug: ah sweet [04:56] It was all very simple at the time. :) [04:56] LaserJock, nope, but I gather it's fairly turnkey [04:56] Plug: I don't understand what the WikiSysops user part is about [04:56] I didn't use a package, but I believe there is a reasonably up to date one [04:56] WikiSysop is the first user created [04:57] you use that account to create others [04:57] but it isn't in the data base [04:57] or you can set up external auth. [04:57] I think its in LocalSettings.php [04:57] I can't figure out how to administer anything [04:57] start with LocalSettings.php [04:57] you should have a wikisysop password defined in there [04:57] I'll be back in 45mins or so sorry, lunch now [04:57] ok, so WikiSysops doesn't do anything/ [04:57] ? [04:58] WikiSysop is a user [04:58] there is a sysops group [04:58] but I can't login as that user [04:58] so what's the point? [04:58] and a beauracracts group as well [04:58] the point is you should be able to :) [04:58] bbl [04:58] oh [04:58] (sorry about my shit timing) [04:58] np [05:00] bah, I don't see anything in LocalSettings.php === dou213 [n=xxx@p54B04254.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@wm1214qm.195.ADSL.NetSurf.Net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:43] gah, more wiki vandalising morons - Henrik seems to have spent quite a bit of time reverting from this one :| [05:43] http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/368/data5ze.gif [05:44] hehe [05:44] so has he done a lot of vandalising or no? [05:47] henrik wasn't the vandal === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:49] Laser_away: I'm back now [05:49] but you're not :) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:22] Plug: still around? [06:23] yo [06:23] ok [06:23] so I can't find my WikiSysops and I can't login as that user either [06:23] right [06:23] be some hot lesbian action [06:24] (wrong thing to paste ;) [06:24] http://localhost/mediawiki/config [06:24] on that page, you define your db settings and sysop credentials [06:24] it says already configured [06:25] Did you install it from source or a package? [06:25] source [06:25] I mean I ran all the stuff, the wiki is up [06:25] I even created a new user [06:25] well, on that page, you should have been able to define your sysop username/pwd. Do you know that? [06:26] yes [06:26] I did that [06:26] that's what I'm saying [06:26] I did that but now I can't log in as that user [06:26] right, sorry for being wordy; now I know exactly where you're at. [06:26] np === Plug checks his database [06:27] the first user in my 'user' table is wikisysop [06:27] bah [06:28] :( [06:28] you said it wasn't there for you [06:28] no, it's not [06:28] hmmm, maybe it couldn't write to the DB at the time [06:28] so does that mean the first user made would be the sysop [06:29] nope [06:29] user_group table [06:29] user_groups sorry [06:30] create a row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "sysop" [06:30] also another row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "bureaucrat" [06:30] so as long as I have at least one sysop and bureaucrat I'll be ok? [06:31] well, yeah [06:31] as long as your account is a sysop you can do the rest from within mediawiki [06:31] I just wondered if WikiSysop was a specail sysop [06:32] I don't believe so. I recall you can set the name on the config screen too [06:32] yeah [06:43] Any luck, LaserJock? [06:44] well ... [06:44] I'm not the sysadmin so it's going to take a while to test :-) [06:44] I asked in #mediawiki as well [06:44] one guy said to just wipe it and start over [06:44] but I think your idea seems logical [06:52] You don't need to wipe and start over with Linux. :) [06:53] let me know how it goes for you. [06:53] bbl === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-241-199.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-241-199.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:49] hello hello [08:22] http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594167289193/ [08:36] au revoir! === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === matthewrevell [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === matthewrevell [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] morning [10:22] morning === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-238-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-238-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn5.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD17825.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-184.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-209.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:38] how do we change the topic in #ubuntu-meeting ? [02:38] not sure === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:39] mdke: it seem to be based on the calendar in: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [02:40] docteam meeting is wrongly set as jun 15. as per Agenda it was/is jun 16 15utc [02:41] web says 1700UTC? [02:41] its 1700 utc [02:41] or 5am Plug-time :( [02:41] bummer plug [02:41] 1pm jjesse time :) [02:42] bhuvan: yes [02:42] Plug: yeah it is 1700UTC [02:42] In that case, I look forward to reading the minutes! [02:43] While I'm here, anyone know why all of GNOME is updated in dapper-updates atm? === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:44] Plug: yes, because it fixes bugs [02:44] figured :) [02:45] The changelogs in the updater are MIA. [02:45] yes [02:45] bbl === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-232-88.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:01] Afternoon guys === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-246-47.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-25.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] meeting in 1hr15min [05:40] wow, we have a time keeper ;-) [05:41] wow there's a meeting? [05:41] but i have to sleep :/ [05:41] nixternal, thanks :) [05:42] hehe [05:42] that is what kontact is telling me [05:42] hi archis [05:42] jsgotangco: no sleep :-) [05:42] nice work on the wiki [05:42] Laser_away: did you get your mediawiki problems worked out? [05:42] what sort of problems? [05:42] mkde heya [05:42] jeffsch: I don't know, I'm waiting for the sysadmin to email me back [05:43] jeffsch: when I get in to school I'll drop by his office === mpt [n=mpt@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:44] Laser_away: ah. you are installing in a /home directory? [05:45] jeffsch: no, on the department server /www [05:45] do you have root access to it? [05:45] jsgotangco: I tried to set up a mediawiki at work but I ended up without a sysops [05:46] doh [05:46] jeffsch: no, hence the waiting for the sysadmin ;-) [05:46] that's weird [05:46] and since this was my first time trying mediawiki I wasn't sure what to do [05:46] even if you install it in a home director sysop is still the first account created... [05:46] Laser_away: hmm... do you at least have permissions to chown in /www? [05:47] jeffsch: hmm, not sure [05:47] honestly mediawiki is one of the easiest server apps that can be installed from a tgz [05:47] jsgotangco: not in this case :( [05:47] interesting [05:48] so now we have 2 users (sysadmin and I) and no sysops :-) [05:48] if you copy the mediawiki tarball to, say, /www/mediawiki, then chown /www/mediawiki/config to www-data, you should be good to go [05:48] copy the contents of the tarball, that is [05:48] jeffsch: ? [05:49] assuming www-data is the username of the web server [05:49] did you install from a .tar.gz file? [05:50] config is already owned by www-data [05:50] ok, then you can go to http://servername/mediawiki? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:51] jeffsch: yeah, and get the wiki [05:51] does it say "Please set up the wiki first"? [05:51] no [05:51] I already set it up [05:51] it all works [05:51] there just isn't a sysops user [05:52] hrmmmm [05:52] maybe there was a previous instance [05:52] nope [05:52] never *any* wikis on this server [05:52] well its interesting to know that you didn't set it up at all [05:52] on the setup page, there's no fields for superuser account and superuser password? [05:52] there was [05:52] we set it up [05:52] but it never created the user [05:53] those are for the root user on the MySQL database, not for the operating system [05:53] yeah [05:54] did it ever create a LocalSettings.php? [05:54] yeah [05:54] jeffsch: can you hang on for like 30 min. I've got to get into school [05:54] ok [05:55] basically, as far as I can tell, it's a perfectly working wiki except there is no sysops user === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-200.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:15] phew, back [06:17] jeffsch: we did have a mysql error when we first tryed configuring the wiki [06:17] jeffsch: I guess that's got to be the problem [06:17] but I is kinda odd [06:18] what was the error? [06:19] gosh, I can't exactly remember [06:19] something about being over 500 in a key or something [06:19] but I know basically nothing about mysql [06:20] i suggest redoing it from scratch... i just finished a fresh install while you were on your way to school... it easier than trying to figure out what went wrong [06:20] yeah [06:20] it's pretty painless, if it works :-) [06:26] k, i hafta go now.... have a nice meeting guys [06:27] jeffsch: thanks for looking at my wiki problem [06:30] mdke: did you merge common stuff? My merged PG can't find lulu-store [06:30] LaserJock: what is lulu-store? [06:30] the URL for lulu [06:30] ah. No I haven't [06:30] I don't think I made it up :-) === Exdaix [n=Exdaix@c-69-242-74-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan has to wait 19 more mins for meeting [06:44] *twiddles his thumbs* [06:44] bah, why is there a index.php in the path of my wiki ? :/ [06:50] mdke: are you working on merging common? should I commit what I have now? === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:53] doc team meeting in a couple of minutes right? [06:53] That's my impression [06:56] jjesse: yes === DonSc [n=don@82-41-205-39.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:02] DonSc! [07:02] hey mdke [07:02] heya [07:02] meeting begining in #ubuntu-meeting [07:02] I have to go home [07:02] I'll catch up on the log [07:02] bummer [07:02] figured I'd pop in and say hello === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-56.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:39] mdke: you're here? [08:40] LaserJock: yes [08:40] meeting still on? [08:40] yes [08:40] we had a rousing discussion of your proposal [08:40] good [08:40] i'll catch up on the log later [08:41] you should of been there [08:41] I had to explain it [08:41] and I don't even know that much :-) [08:41] does my page not explain it?> [08:41] well, people got somewhat confused at times [08:42] it's just a radical and big change :-) [08:55] ok guys, i'm moving on === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:58] LaserJock: what was the general view? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] mdke: general view of? [09:25] LaserJock: that idea of breaking down the help system a bit [09:28] I think it was ok [09:28] people didn't seem to get the idea right away, maybe I don't get it and maybe I didn't explain it very well === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:09] \o/ I've got my first real wiki [10:09] unofficial ubuntu docs eh? [10:10] no [10:10] my lulu book arrived today, looks really nice [10:10] yeah? cool [10:10] I created the University of Nevada, Reno Chemistry Graduate Student Association website ;-) [10:11] cool [10:11] it's mediawiki [10:11] uncool [10:11] we tried moin first [10:11] but SuSe didn't have python 2.2 :( [10:11] 2.4 [10:12] eh? [10:12] it should work with 2.3, surely [10:12] not out of the box, distutils poroblem [10:13] anyway, the sysadmin already had a LAMP setup === mdke blinks [10:13] Python 2.3 is the minimum requirement for MoinMoin 1.5, but we suggest you use the latest Python release version. [10:13] yeah [10:14] but apparently SuSE 9.3 didn't have distutils [10:14] dunno what distutils is, but it sounds like SUSE sucks [10:14] if it was me, I would have gotten Moin to work, but the sysadmin didn't want to bother with it [10:15] distutils is what is used to install python apps, ala python setup.py [10:16] anyway, I've never used mediawiki so this will be a chance to take it for a spin [10:16] nod [10:16] got the theme going? [10:16] right now it's just default [10:17] I had problems getting the administrator user setup (something weird happened when installing) [10:17] i saw [10:17] so now I need to get user stuff setup and I'll work on themeing/content [10:17] cool, enjoy [10:18] I hope so [10:18] I also got to do some Ubuntu evangelizing with the sysadmin ;-) [10:19] mdke: oh, and the super top secret project is in dapper-changes :-) [10:21] non free software eh [10:21] yeah [10:21] I should take a shower [10:21] it was ... interesting [10:22] what is it? [10:23] http://userful.com/products/dm [10:23] hope you got a few bob out of it :) [10:23] to compensate for touching multiverse [10:23] enough to almost cover the cost of my passport [10:24] heh [10:24] so it's like a thin client thing? [10:24] kinda [10:24] I'm not too sure of what exactly it does, but it has it's own X [10:25] anyway, it was an interesting experience [10:25] :) [10:25] I learned a few things about debconf and the corporate software world [10:25] I even had my first conference call ;-) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-122.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:29] mdke: hehe, maybe he should use "real" software ;-) j/k [10:36] http://static.flickr.com/52/168487574_d98223264a_o.png [10:36] take a guess on what im working on :) [10:37] LaserJock: tbh, evolution would probably have done worse [10:37] nixternal: what's that "Matt" one >_< [10:37] muhahah [10:37] that is your proposal [10:37] had it open from the meeting [10:37] aha [10:38] reading it and re-reading it so i can understand the system fully [10:38] i thought you were spying on me [10:38] lol [10:39] already did that...don't need to do it again ;) [10:39] hehe [10:39] I'll make an effort to tidy up that page to make it a bit clearer [10:40] it was made pretty clear by LaserJock thats for sure [10:40] he did a damn fine job of wording it in the meeting [10:40] ah, splendid === mdke reads meeting log === linuxmonkey reads mdke's private email convo's [10:53] LaserJock: "it will take a lot of hard work and *really* good communication with upstreams" [10:53] LaserJock: I don't think communication with upstream is necessary, the idea is just to bring in the docs that exist from upstream [10:55] using ghelp links it would work fine === mdke finishes the skimread [11:00] mdke: wasn't think of evo (I can never get it to work) [11:00] I wasn't sure how much upstream would be needed but I thought that perhaps they would need to be consulted [11:01] in terms of patching upstream docs, maybe we'd need to keep aware of changes, yeah. But I think patching upstream docs would be too much effort for this release cycle [11:01] just linking them in would already be a significant improvement [11:02] yeah [11:02] I agree [11:02] possibly do a quick s/Desktop Menu/System Menu [11:02] there is soo much documentation that is in yelp already, we just need to present it better, IMHO [11:03] well, don't forget that my idea would involve cutting out most of the stuff that appears in the various TOCs at the moment [11:03] mdke: like what? [11:03] well, realistically, most of them [11:03] :( [11:04] I like my little weird docs [11:04] I'd say things like the gnome user guide, accessibility guide, and so on are things we should be able to accomodate really nicely [11:04] the other stuff is more difficult, and don't forget that if we do it, ubuntu-docs will need to depend on any other packages that supply docs we link [11:04] obviously, they'd still be available from the search bar [11:04] there isn't a way to add them in dynamically? [11:05] well, the whole point is binning the category system [11:06] hmm, we need a mock up or something [11:06] yes, I'll do a bit of work on it [11:06] I'm getting confused too [11:06] :-) [11:06] but to be honest, most of the docs indexed in yelp at the moment are totally useless [11:07] from the point of view of desktop documentation, the man and info pages are a hindrance, rather than a feature [11:07] like what happens when we have Dive into Python installed? where does it go [11:07] just like windows docs mdke..totally useless [11:07] LaserJock: that's easy [11:07] LaserJock: we do it already, see the Programming section of the desktop guide [11:07] mdke: well, yes, that one is [11:07] same principle [11:08] but what if the user installs pygtk, where would the go to get the tutorial and reference? [11:08] maybe that is a bit better example [11:08] where do they go now? [11:09] well, glade is in Applications -> Programming [11:09] do people look there, or do they just get a browser and find it on their filesystem? [11:09] I use yelp [11:09] but ... [11:10] I'd really like to use the help system for these things [11:10] there is a lot of good info [11:10] I see your point [11:10] there is bzr documentation [11:10] lots of good programming stuff [11:10] potentially we'd need a way to link to what is in applications/programming now from one of our subpages [11:10] science apps [11:11] maxima has good docs in Applications -> Science [11:11] so we'd need a way to get links to those pages going [11:12] tricky, I'm not sure that can be done, I'll ask the yelp guys [11:12] it seems to me that a system sort of like the menu would be cool [11:12] if it can't, we'll have to bin my plan and hope that upstream improve the categories for 2.16 [11:12] so in the menu you have .desktop files that describe what categories the app belongs to [11:12] LaserJock: that's the current system [11:13] and then the menu system takes the .desktops and figures out how to display them [11:13] k [11:13] note how Applications follows the menu [11:13] right [11:14] I'm just saying you could probably dump most of that into "Using your desktop" [11:15] dump System Tools into "Administering your system" or something [11:15] yes [11:15] I don't know, but it seems like there's got to be a way of doing this in a way the helps user find what the want [11:16] but I don't know any of the internals so I'm just spouting off right now ;-) [11:16] yes, I will chat to the yelp guys [11:17] this biggest problem for me WRT documentation has been that I didn't know that I had all this documentation sitting right there in front of me [11:17] I always assumed you had to go online [11:17] yeah [11:17] everyone does [11:17] what is the quickest and best way to report a change for h.u.c concerning the about-kubuntu documentation? [11:17] nixternal: you mean a bug? [11:17] not a bug..or a change sorry...there is just old info in the current doc...just needs an update/refresher [11:18] that's a bug [11:18] https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bugs [11:18] roger tha [11:18] t [11:18] it's too late to do anything about it for dapper though [11:18] oh ok [11:18] then no worries [11:18] if you file it, we can fix it for the next release [11:20] it has kubuntu with kde 3.5.2 which is now 3.5.3...no biggy really...as for edgy..don't know the version yet...im guessing as of right now 3.5.3, unless there are updates [11:21] gotcha [11:21] might be a stupid question, but why don't they allow for changes to current releases? [11:22] it's not "them", it's us, doing so would break our translation infrastructure... we could think about a clever way to update text, and allow a certain amount of time for translation before committing it, I suppose, but we don't have one right now [11:22]