[02:27] <nooby_god> I'm goging to write a wiki article on the linux-wlan-ng drivers
[02:27] <nooby_god> how ever my ability to explain isn't so great, is the a documentation 'scratch pad' somewhere?
[02:27] <mdke> nooby_god: sounds great. Is there anything about it already?
[02:28] <nooby_god> mdke: some of it is taked in a guide already but it did not work for me
[02:28] <mdke> nooby_god: the best thing is to try and improve that guide, by correcting it where it doesn't work. Does that make sense?
[02:29] <nooby_god> ok
[02:29] <mdke> nooby_god: for help editing the wiki, check out the WikiGuide page
[02:30] <nooby_god> the guide that already talks about it has the correct documentation
[02:30] <nooby_god> but it doesn't work anymore because of this bug -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/21569
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21569 in linux-source-2.6.15 "prism2_usb: requires wlanctl-ng commands in order to work properly" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[02:31] <mdke> ah, ok. Sounds like you have a good idea about what is going on
[02:31] <mdke> maybe you can just add a note to work around that bug
[02:32] <nooby_god> is there a scratchpad for socumentation some where?
[02:32] <nooby_god> or should I just ass stuff onto the wiki
[02:33] <LaserJock> bah, is Burgwork the only mediawiki guy?
[02:33] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks :-)
[02:33] <LaserJock> nooby_god: hi again!
[02:33] <LaserJock> nooby_god: do you have a personal page on the wiki?
[02:34] <nooby_god> hey LaserJock I gave up on creating packages, too much I didn't know
[02:34] <nooby_god> uhh not yet
[02:34] <LaserJock> like my page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[02:35] <crimsun_> nooby_god: (most packages are fairly straightforward)
[02:35] <LaserJock> you could then use sub pages of that for a scratch pad
[02:35] <nooby_god> ah, I see LaserJoc, just like wikipedia
[02:36] <nooby_god> crimsun_: let's discuss this on the appropriate channel
[02:37] <crimsun_> nooby_god: if it's a documentation issue (ala PG), it's as appropriate here.
[02:37] <nooby_god> uhh not a documentation issue, more like my intelligence issue
[04:51] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:52] <gobbe> hi
[04:55] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[04:55] <LaserJock> Madpilot: you ever set up a mediawiki wiki?
[04:55] <Madpilot> looks like a good agenda for tomorrow's meeting - too bad I'll be stuck at work :|
[04:55] <Plug> I have, if you need help?
[04:56] <LaserJock> Plug: ah sweet
[04:56] <Plug> It was all very simple at the time. :)
[04:56] <Madpilot> LaserJock, nope, but I gather it's fairly turnkey
[04:56] <LaserJock> Plug: I don't understand what the WikiSysops user part is about
[04:56] <Plug> I didn't use a package, but I believe there is a reasonably up to date one
[04:56] <Plug> WikiSysop is the first user created
[04:57] <Plug> you use that account to create others
[04:57] <LaserJock> but it isn't in the data base
[04:57] <Plug> or you can set up external auth.
[04:57] <Plug> I think its in LocalSettings.php
[04:57] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to administer anything
[04:57] <Plug> start with LocalSettings.php
[04:57] <Plug> you should have a wikisysop password defined in there
[04:57] <Plug> I'll be back in 45mins or so sorry, lunch now
[04:57] <LaserJock> ok, so WikiSysops doesn't do anything/
[04:57] <LaserJock> ?
[04:58] <Plug> WikiSysop is a user
[04:58] <Plug> there is a sysops group 
[04:58] <LaserJock> but I can't login as that user
[04:58] <LaserJock> so what's the point?
[04:58] <Plug> and a beauracracts group as well
[04:58] <Plug> the point is you should be able to :)
[04:58] <Plug> bbl
[04:58] <LaserJock> oh
[04:58] <Plug> (sorry about my shit timing)
[04:58] <LaserJock> np
[05:00] <LaserJock> bah, I don't see anything in LocalSettings.php
[05:43] <Madpilot> gah, more wiki vandalising morons - Henrik seems to have spent quite a bit of time reverting from this one :|
[05:43] <nixternal> http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/368/data5ze.gif
[05:44] <Madpilot> hehe
[05:44] <nixternal> so has he done a lot of vandalising or no?
[05:47] <Madpilot> henrik wasn't the vandal 
[05:49] <Plug> Laser_away: I'm back now
[05:49] <Plug> but you're not :)
[06:22] <LaserJock> Plug: still around?
[06:23] <Plug> yo
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok
[06:23] <LaserJock> so I can't find my WikiSysops and I can't login as that user either
[06:23] <Plug> right
[06:23] <Plug>                    be some hot lesbian action
[06:24] <Plug> (wrong thing to paste ;)
[06:24] <Plug> http://localhost/mediawiki/config
[06:24] <Plug> on that page, you define your db settings and sysop credentials
[06:24] <LaserJock> it says already configured
[06:25] <Plug> Did you install it from source or a package?
[06:25] <LaserJock> source
[06:25] <LaserJock> I mean I ran all the stuff, the wiki is up
[06:25] <LaserJock> I even created a new user
[06:25] <Plug> well, on that page, you should have been able to define your sysop username/pwd.  Do you know that?
[06:26] <LaserJock> yes
[06:26] <LaserJock> I did that
[06:26] <LaserJock> that's what I'm saying
[06:26] <LaserJock> I did that but now I can't log in as that user
[06:26] <Plug> right, sorry for being wordy; now I know exactly where you're at.
[06:26] <LaserJock> np
[06:27] <Plug> the first user in my 'user' table is wikisysop
[06:27] <LaserJock> bah
[06:28] <LaserJock> :(
[06:28] <Plug> you said it wasn't there for you
[06:28] <LaserJock> no, it's not
[06:28] <Plug> hmmm, maybe it couldn't write to the DB at the time
[06:28] <LaserJock> so does that mean the first user made would be the sysop
[06:29] <Plug> nope
[06:29] <Plug> user_group table
[06:29] <Plug> user_groups sorry
[06:30] <Plug> create a row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "sysop"
[06:30] <Plug> also another row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "bureaucrat"
[06:30] <LaserJock> so as long as I have at least one sysop and bureaucrat I'll be ok?
[06:31] <Plug> well, yeah
[06:31] <Plug> as long as your account is a sysop you can do the rest from within mediawiki
[06:31] <LaserJock> I just wondered if WikiSysop was a specail sysop
[06:32] <Plug> I don't believe so.  I recall you can set the name on the config screen too
[06:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:43] <Plug> Any luck, LaserJock?
[06:44] <LaserJock> well ...
[06:44] <LaserJock> I'm not the sysadmin so it's going to take a while to test :-)
[06:44] <LaserJock> I asked in #mediawiki as well
[06:44] <LaserJock> one guy said to just wipe it and start over
[06:44] <LaserJock> but I think your idea seems logical
[06:52] <Plug> You don't need to wipe and start over with Linux. :)
[06:53] <Plug> let me know how it goes for you.
[06:53] <Plug> bbl
[07:49] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[08:22] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594167289193/
[08:36] <jsgotangco> au revoir!
[10:21] <mdke> morning
[10:22] <matthewrevell> morning
[02:38] <bhuvan> how do we change the topic in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[02:38] <mdke> not sure
[02:39] <bhuvan> mdke: it seem to be based on the calendar in: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[02:40] <bhuvan> docteam meeting is wrongly set as jun 15. as per Agenda it was/is jun 16 15utc
[02:41] <Plug> web says 1700UTC?
[02:41] <jjesse> its 1700 utc
[02:41] <Plug> or 5am Plug-time :( 
[02:41] <jjesse> bummer plug
[02:41] <jjesse> 1pm jjesse time :)
[02:42] <mdke> bhuvan: yes
[02:42] <bhuvan> Plug: yeah it is 1700UTC
[02:42] <Plug> In that case, I look forward to reading the minutes!
[02:43] <Plug> While I'm here, anyone know why all of GNOME is updated in dapper-updates atm?
[02:44] <mdke> Plug: yes, because it fixes bugs
[02:44] <Plug> figured :)
[02:45] <Plug> The changelogs in the updater are MIA.
[02:45] <mdke> yes
[02:45] <mdke> bbl
[04:01] <matthewrevell> Afternoon guys
[05:39] <nixternal> meeting in 1hr15min
[05:40] <Laser_away> wow, we have a time keeper ;-)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> wow there's a meeting?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> but i have to sleep :/
[05:41] <archis> nixternal, thanks :)
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <nixternal> that is what kontact is telling me
[05:42] <mdke> hi archis 
[05:42] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: no sleep :-)
[05:42] <mdke> nice work on the wiki
[05:42] <jeffsch> Laser_away: did you get your mediawiki problems worked out?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> what sort of problems?
[05:42] <archis> mkde heya
[05:42] <Laser_away> jeffsch: I don't know, I'm waiting for the sysadmin to email me back
[05:43] <Laser_away> jeffsch: when I get in to school I'll drop by his office
[05:44] <jeffsch> Laser_away:  ah. you are installing in a /home directory?
[05:45] <Laser_away> jeffsch: no, on the department server /www
[05:45] <jeffsch> do you have root access to it?
[05:45] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: I tried to set up a mediawiki at work but I ended up without a sysops
[05:46] <jsgotangco> doh
[05:46] <Laser_away> jeffsch: no, hence the waiting for the sysadmin ;-)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> that's weird
[05:46] <Laser_away> and since this was my first time trying mediawiki I wasn't sure what to do
[05:46] <jsgotangco> even if you install it in a home director sysop is still the first account created...
[05:46] <jeffsch> Laser_away: hmm... do you at least have permissions to chown in /www?
[05:47] <Laser_away> jeffsch: hmm, not sure
[05:47] <jsgotangco> honestly mediawiki is one of the easiest server apps that can be installed from a tgz
[05:47] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: not in this case :(
[05:47] <jsgotangco> interesting
[05:48] <Laser_away> so now we have 2 users (sysadmin and I) and no sysops :-)
[05:48] <jeffsch> if you copy the mediawiki tarball to, say, /www/mediawiki, then chown /www/mediawiki/config to www-data, you should be good to go
[05:48] <jeffsch> copy the contents of the tarball, that is
[05:48] <Laser_away> jeffsch: ?
[05:49] <jeffsch> assuming www-data is the username of the web server
[05:49] <jeffsch> did you install from a .tar.gz file?
[05:50] <Laser_away> config is already owned by www-data
[05:50] <jeffsch> ok, then you can go to http://servername/mediawiki?
[05:51] <Laser_away> jeffsch: yeah, and get the wiki
[05:51] <jeffsch> does it say "Please set up the wiki first"?
[05:51] <Laser_away> no
[05:51] <Laser_away> I already set it up
[05:51] <Laser_away> it all works
[05:51] <Laser_away> there just isn't a sysops user
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[05:52] <jsgotangco> maybe there was a previous instance
[05:52] <Laser_away> nope
[05:52] <Laser_away> never *any* wikis on this server
[05:52] <jsgotangco> well its interesting to know that you didn't set it up at all
[05:52] <jeffsch> on the setup page, there's no fields for superuser account and superuser password?
[05:52] <Laser_away> there was
[05:52] <Laser_away> we set it up
[05:52] <Laser_away> but it never created the user
[05:53] <jeffsch> those are for the root user on the MySQL database, not for the operating system
[05:53] <Laser_away> yeah
[05:54] <jeffsch> did it ever create a LocalSettings.php?
[05:54] <Laser_away> yeah
[05:54] <Laser_away> jeffsch: can you hang on for like 30 min. I've got to get into school
[05:54] <jeffsch> ok
[05:55] <Laser_away> basically, as far as I can tell, it's a perfectly working wiki except there is no sysops user
[06:15] <LaserJock> phew, back
[06:17] <LaserJock> jeffsch: we did have a mysql error when we first tryed configuring the wiki
[06:17] <LaserJock> jeffsch: I guess that's got to be the problem
[06:17] <LaserJock> but I is kinda odd
[06:18] <jeffsch> what was the error?
[06:19] <LaserJock> gosh, I can't exactly remember
[06:19] <LaserJock> something about being over 500 in a key or something
[06:19] <LaserJock> but I know basically nothing about mysql
[06:20] <jeffsch> i suggest redoing it from scratch... i just finished a fresh install while you were on your way to school... it easier than trying to figure out what went wrong
[06:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:20] <LaserJock> it's pretty painless, if it works :-)
[06:26] <jeffsch> k, i hafta go now.... have a nice meeting guys
[06:27] <LaserJock> jeffsch: thanks for looking at my wiki problem
[06:30] <LaserJock> mdke: did you merge common stuff? My merged PG can't find lulu-store
[06:30] <mdke> LaserJock: what is lulu-store?
[06:30] <LaserJock> the URL for lulu
[06:30] <mdke> ah. No I haven't
[06:30] <LaserJock> I don't think I made it up :-)
[06:44] <Exdaix> *twiddles his thumbs*
[06:44] <LaserJock> bah, why is there a index.php in the path of my wiki ? :/
[06:50] <LaserJock> mdke: are you working on merging common? should I commit what I have now?
[06:53] <jjesse> doc team meeting in a couple of minutes right?
[06:53] <Exdaix> That's my impression
[06:56] <bhuvan> jjesse: yes
[07:02] <mdke> DonSc!
[07:02] <DonSc> hey mdke
[07:02] <mdke> heya
[07:02] <jjesse> meeting begining in #ubuntu-meeting
[07:02] <mdke> I have to go home
[07:02] <mdke> I'll catch up on the log
[07:02] <jjesse> bummer
[07:02] <DonSc> figured I'd pop in and say hello
[08:39] <LaserJock> mdke: you're here?
[08:40] <mdke> LaserJock: yes
[08:40] <mdke> meeting still on?
[08:40] <LaserJock> yes
[08:40] <LaserJock> we had a rousing discussion of your proposal
[08:40] <mdke> good
[08:40] <mdke> i'll catch up on the log later
[08:41] <LaserJock> you should of been there
[08:41] <LaserJock> I had to explain it
[08:41] <LaserJock> and I don't even know that much :-)
[08:41] <mdke> does my page not explain it?>
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, people got somewhat confused at times
[08:42] <LaserJock> it's just a radical and big change :-)
[08:55] <bhuvan> ok guys, i'm moving on
[08:58] <mdke> LaserJock: what was the general view?
[09:10] <LaserJock> mdke: general view of?
[09:25] <mdke> LaserJock: that idea of breaking down the help system a bit
[09:28] <LaserJock> I think it was ok
[09:28] <LaserJock> people didn't seem to get the idea right away, maybe I don't get it and maybe I didn't explain it very well
[10:09] <LaserJock> \o/ I've got my first real wiki
[10:09] <mdke> unofficial ubuntu docs eh?
[10:10] <LaserJock> no
[10:10] <mdke> my lulu book arrived today, looks really nice
[10:10] <LaserJock> yeah? cool
[10:10] <LaserJock> I created the University of Nevada, Reno Chemistry Graduate Student Association website ;-)
[10:11] <mdke> cool
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's mediawiki
[10:11] <mdke> uncool
[10:11] <LaserJock> we tried moin first
[10:11] <LaserJock> but SuSe didn't have python 2.2 :(
[10:11] <LaserJock> 2.4
[10:12] <mdke> eh?
[10:12] <mdke> it should work with 2.3, surely
[10:12] <LaserJock> not out of the box, distutils poroblem
[10:13] <LaserJock> anyway, the sysadmin already had a LAMP setup
[10:13] <mdke> Python 2.3 is the minimum requirement for MoinMoin 1.5, but we suggest you use the latest Python release version.
[10:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:14] <LaserJock> but apparently SuSE 9.3 didn't have distutils
[10:14] <mdke> dunno what distutils is, but it sounds like SUSE sucks
[10:14] <LaserJock> if it was me, I would have gotten Moin to work, but the sysadmin didn't want to bother with it
[10:15] <LaserJock> distutils is what is used to install python apps, ala python setup.py 
[10:16] <LaserJock> anyway, I've never used mediawiki so this will be a chance to take it for a spin
[10:16] <mdke> nod
[10:16] <mdke> got the theme going?
[10:16] <LaserJock> right now it's just default
[10:17] <LaserJock> I had problems getting the administrator user setup (something weird happened when installing)
[10:17] <mdke> i saw
[10:17] <LaserJock> so now I need to get user stuff setup and I'll work on themeing/content
[10:17] <mdke> cool, enjoy
[10:18] <LaserJock> I hope so
[10:18] <LaserJock> I also got to do some Ubuntu evangelizing with the sysadmin ;-)
[10:19] <LaserJock> mdke: oh, and the super top secret project is in dapper-changes :-)
[10:21] <mdke> non free software eh
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:21] <LaserJock> I should take a shower
[10:21] <LaserJock> it was ... interesting
[10:22] <mdke> what is it?
[10:23] <LaserJock> http://userful.com/products/dm
[10:23] <mdke> hope you got a few bob out of it :)
[10:23] <mdke> to compensate for touching multiverse 
[10:23] <LaserJock> enough to almost cover the cost of my passport
[10:24] <mdke> heh
[10:24] <mdke> so it's like a thin client thing?
[10:24] <LaserJock> kinda
[10:24] <LaserJock> I'm not too sure of what exactly it does, but it has it's own X
[10:25] <LaserJock> anyway, it was an interesting experience
[10:25] <mdke> :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> I learned a few things about debconf and the corporate software world
[10:25] <LaserJock> I even had my first conference call ;-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> mdke: hehe, maybe he should use "real" software ;-) j/k
[10:36] <nixternal> http://static.flickr.com/52/168487574_d98223264a_o.png
[10:36] <nixternal> take a guess on what im working on :)
[10:37] <mdke> LaserJock: tbh, evolution would probably have done worse
[10:37] <mdke> nixternal: what's that "Matt" one >_<
[10:37] <nixternal> muhahah
[10:37] <nixternal> that is your proposal
[10:37] <nixternal> had it open from the meeting
[10:37] <mdke> aha
[10:38] <nixternal> reading it and re-reading it so i can understand the system fully
[10:38] <mdke> i thought you were spying on me
[10:38] <nixternal> lol
[10:39] <nixternal> already did that...don't need to do it again ;)
[10:39] <nixternal> hehe
[10:39] <mdke> I'll make an effort to tidy up that page to make it a bit clearer
[10:40] <nixternal> it was made pretty clear by LaserJock thats for sure
[10:40] <nixternal> he did a damn fine job of wording it in the meeting
[10:40] <mdke> ah, splendid
[10:53] <mdke> LaserJock: "it will take a lot of hard work and *really* good communication with upstreams"
[10:53] <mdke> LaserJock: I don't think communication with upstream is necessary, the idea is just to bring in the docs that exist from upstream
[10:55] <mdke> using ghelp links it would work fine
[11:00] <LaserJock> mdke: wasn't think of evo (I can never get it to work)
[11:00] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure how much upstream would be needed but I thought that perhaps they would need to be consulted
[11:01] <mdke> in terms of patching upstream docs, maybe we'd need to keep aware of changes, yeah. But I think patching upstream docs would be too much effort for this release cycle
[11:01] <mdke> just linking them in would already be a significant improvement
[11:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:02] <LaserJock> I agree
[11:02] <mdke> possibly do a quick s/Desktop Menu/System Menu
[11:02] <LaserJock> there is soo much documentation that is in yelp already, we just need to present it better, IMHO
[11:03] <mdke> well, don't forget that my idea would involve cutting out most of the stuff that appears in the various TOCs at the moment
[11:03] <LaserJock> mdke: like what?
[11:03] <mdke> well, realistically, most of them
[11:03] <LaserJock> :(
[11:04] <LaserJock> I like my little weird docs
[11:04] <mdke> I'd say things like the gnome user guide, accessibility guide, and so on are things we should be able to accomodate really nicely
[11:04] <mdke> the other stuff is more difficult, and don't forget that if we do it, ubuntu-docs will need to depend on any other packages that supply docs we link
[11:04] <mdke> obviously, they'd still be available from the search bar
[11:04] <LaserJock> there isn't a way to add them in dynamically?
[11:05] <mdke> well, the whole point is binning the category system
[11:06] <LaserJock> hmm, we need a mock up or something
[11:06] <mdke> yes, I'll do a bit of work on it
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm getting confused too
[11:06] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:06] <mdke> but to be honest, most of the docs indexed in yelp at the moment are totally useless
[11:07] <mdke> from the point of view of desktop documentation, the man and info pages are a hindrance, rather than a feature
[11:07] <LaserJock> like what happens when  we have Dive into Python installed? where does it go
[11:07] <linuxmonkey> just like windows docs mdke..totally useless
[11:07] <mdke> LaserJock: that's easy
[11:07] <mdke> LaserJock: we do it already, see the Programming section of the desktop guide
[11:07] <LaserJock> mdke: well, yes, that one is
[11:07] <mdke> same principle
[11:08] <LaserJock> but what if the user installs pygtk, where would the go to get the tutorial and reference?
[11:08] <LaserJock> maybe that is a bit better example
[11:08] <mdke> where do they go now?
[11:09] <LaserJock> well, glade is in Applications -> Programming
[11:09] <mdke> do people look there, or do they just get a browser and find it on their filesystem?
[11:09] <LaserJock> I use yelp
[11:09] <LaserJock> but ...
[11:10] <LaserJock> I'd really like to use the help system for these things
[11:10] <LaserJock> there is a lot of good info
[11:10] <mdke> I see your point
[11:10] <LaserJock> there is bzr documentation
[11:10] <LaserJock> lots of good programming stuff
[11:10] <mdke> potentially we'd need a way to link to what is in applications/programming now from one of our subpages
[11:10] <LaserJock> science apps
[11:11] <LaserJock> maxima has good docs in Applications -> Science
[11:11] <mdke> so we'd need a way to get links to those pages going
[11:12] <mdke> tricky, I'm not sure that can be done, I'll ask the yelp guys
[11:12] <LaserJock> it seems to me that a system sort of like the menu would be cool
[11:12] <mdke> if it can't, we'll have to bin my plan and hope that upstream improve the categories for 2.16
[11:12] <LaserJock> so in the menu you have .desktop files that describe what categories the app belongs to
[11:12] <mdke> LaserJock: that's the current system
[11:13] <LaserJock> and then the menu system takes the .desktops and figures out how to display them
[11:13] <LaserJock> k
[11:13] <mdke> note how Applications follows the menu
[11:13] <LaserJock> right
[11:14] <LaserJock> I'm just saying you could probably dump most of that into "Using your desktop"
[11:15] <LaserJock> dump System Tools into "Administering your system" or something
[11:15] <mdke> yes
[11:15] <LaserJock> I don't know, but it seems like there's got to be a way of doing this in a way the helps user find what the want
[11:16] <LaserJock> but I don't know any of the internals so I'm just spouting off right now ;-)
[11:16] <mdke> yes, I will chat to the yelp guys
[11:17] <LaserJock> this biggest problem for me WRT documentation has been that I didn't know that I had all this documentation sitting right there in front of me
[11:17] <LaserJock> I always assumed you had to go online
[11:17] <mdke> yeah
[11:17] <mdke> everyone does
[11:17] <nixternal> what is the quickest and best way to report a change for h.u.c concerning the about-kubuntu documentation?
[11:17] <mdke> nixternal: you mean a bug?
[11:17] <nixternal> not a bug..or a change sorry...there is just old info in the current doc...just needs an update/refresher
[11:18] <mdke> that's a bug
[11:18] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bugs
[11:18] <nixternal> roger tha
[11:18] <nixternal> t
[11:18] <mdke> it's too late to do anything about it for dapper though
[11:18] <nixternal> oh ok
[11:18] <nixternal> then no worries
[11:18] <mdke> if you file it, we can fix it for the next release
[11:20] <nixternal> it has kubuntu with kde 3.5.2 which is now 3.5.3...no biggy really...as for edgy..don't know the version yet...im guessing as of right now 3.5.3, unless there are updates
[11:21] <mdke> gotcha
[11:21] <nixternal> might be a stupid question, but why don't they allow for changes to current releases?
[11:22] <mdke> it's not "them", it's us, doing so would break our translation infrastructure... we could think about a clever way to update text, and allow a certain amount of time for translation before committing it, I suppose, but we don't have one right now
[11:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:22] <nixternal> ok
[11:22] <nixternal> thx for that info...
[11:22] <mdke> np
[11:24] <nixternal> so now we start looking forward to Edgy documentation, which i can't wait for ;)
[11:25] <mdke> that's it
[11:29] <linuxmonkey> anyone know when kde 4 is due out, will it be in time for edgy