[04:36] <DaSkreech> So this chan pretty much dies during Paris?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> How was work today?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[04:36] <Hobbsee> i didnt go to work todya...i've got an exam in about an hour or so...
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Oh! 
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Which exam?
[04:38] <goldenear> when is paris begining ?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> I Guess it would be in the wiki
[04:39] <goldenear> Monday
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Oh!
[04:40] <goldenear> I'll be there then :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> computing
[04:41] <goldenear> Hobbsee: by the way, you've asked for that a few day ago: I'm not a girl :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> oh, right :P
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Am I allowed to rename Wiki pages?
[09:19] <mornfall> ack, departing for paris tomorrow
[09:20] <mornfall> i am not looking forward to the transportation part
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Carrying a lot of stuff?
[09:30] <zakame> hi all
[09:30] <nixternal> hey there
[09:30] <nixternal> this is the most action i have seen in here all day & night
[09:32] <Hobbsee> heya
[09:34] <zakame> hi nixternal Hobbsee 
[09:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: good'ay mate ;)
[09:36] <zakame> hmm, say, where is libxine-extracodecs?
[09:37] <nixternal> multiverse
[09:38] <DaSkreech> how was the exam Hobbsee?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: very easy, but right now i'm trying to salvage dad's computer
[09:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:41] <DaSkreech> You are the community technician?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> well...he asked for a linux cd to fix it...
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Ah :)
[09:43] <DaSkreech>  Kinda like Blake Ross's Grandad
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Well I'm going to bed
[09:43] <DaSkreech>  Night all
[09:43] <imbrandon> linux to rescue winderz, might as well run it ;)
[09:43] <imbrandon> gnight DaSkreech
[09:45] <zakame> bye Da	
[09:52] <mornfall> Hobbsee: :] 
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[09:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think we're almost there
[09:53] <Hobbsee> he seems to want a file that i'm not sure if it exists, let alone if it's corrupted
[09:55] <mornfall> brb, need ethanol to clean display
[10:01] <mornfall> great, clean display ++
[10:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay!  want to do mine too?
[10:09] <mornfall> well, i would like to be of some help, but i think you are bit out of reach
[10:10] <mornfall> oh btw
[10:10] <mornfall> adept compiles again!
[10:10] <mornfall> it even starts
[10:10] <mornfall> i'm almost sure it's faster ;-)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay!
[10:12] <mornfall> as soon as it recompiles i will benchmark it
[10:14] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: this is with the caching thingo?
[10:14] <mornfall> caching thing?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> thought you had something on your blog about it
[10:21] <mornfall> i had, but not quite caching
[10:21] <mornfall> well, it's not faster anyway, from numbers
[10:23] <Hobbsee> oh
[10:23] <Hobbsee> pity
[10:27] <mornfall> well, it takes some 3 seconds to do a search on my 1.8GHz pentium M
[10:27] <mornfall> of cpu time that is
[10:27] <Hobbsee> mornfall: how much ram there?
[10:27] <mornfall> gig
[10:28] <Hobbsee> oh, of cpu time, yeah
[10:28] <Hobbsee> takes way longer than that here, on the odd occasion that i use it
[10:31] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: kopete need which package for support yahoo's webcam?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: libjasper-runtime as a dep, and probably libjasper-1.701-dev as a b-d
[10:32] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: i've only tested with both there
[10:33] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: okey, I'll rebuild it tomorrow
[10:33] <Hobbsee> k
[10:39] <mornfall> mouarf
[11:26] <mornfall> let's try with -O2
[12:02] <imbrandon> heya Riddell-awa
[12:02] <imbrandon> enjoying france ?
[12:16] <Riddell-awa> imbrandon: I'm all pink with sunburn
[12:17] <mornfall> ouch
[12:20] <imbrandon> heh
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: ouch!
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: did you do a me, and fall asleep on the beach or something?
[12:21] <imbrandon> lol
[12:21] <Hobbsee> s/the beach/in the sun?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: everything disintegrated in your absense.
[12:22] <Riddell-awa> Hobbsee: no, I took a cruise on la siene and it had no shelter
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[12:23] <imbrandon> ouch
[12:23] <Riddell-awa> uh oh, what's broken?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: everything :P
[12:23] <imbrandon> everything
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell-awa: well, we destroyed your unit first, of course, then went and destroyed everything else.  was quite fun, really
[12:24] <imbrandon> actualy i think me and Hobbsee and mornfall ( untill he gets on the plane ) are the only ones arround, everyone is gone or getting ready to leave it seems
[12:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's likely.  also, it's saturday here
[12:25] <imbrandon> here too, i dont think there are many places its still friday
[12:25] <Hobbsee> and a lot of people arent on during weekends
[12:25] <imbrandon> cept users lol
[12:25] <mornfall> i'm leaving around sunday noon
[12:26] <imbrandon> ahh cool , some reason i thought i was sooner
[12:26] <imbrandon> s/i/it
[12:28] <Hobbsee> mornfall: seems a dapper user is having trouble getting adept to open again...
[12:28] <Hobbsee> [20:25]  <animato> 3rd sometimes adept keeps on loading forever for no reason and won't open up
[12:29] <mornfall> blah
[12:29] <mornfall> details
[12:30] <mornfall> that info alone is useless :p
[12:31] <toma> morning
[12:33] <imbrandon> morning toma
[12:33] <Hobbsee> mornfall: haha yeah, i thought so.  the guy's in #kubuntu, but is going to upgrade to kde 3.5.3
[12:33] <Hobbsee> he's whinging about all the kubuntu dapper bugs, etc, etc, etc, yada yada yada...
[12:39] <mornfall> tell him to use windows
[12:39] <mornfall> and stop bitching :)
[12:39] <hunger> Hobbsee: I can see why people do that:-(
[12:39] <Hobbsee> mornfall: haha!
[12:40] <hunger> Hobbsee: I am disappointed in dapper, too. It got regressions from breezy for me and that does not go well with all the "LTS" hype going on right now:-(
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hunger: hmm?  about the bugs?  until it's on launchpad, i'm not terribly interested :P  especially when they deal with $mypetbugthatinfluencesveryfewpeople
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hunger: ouch.  which regressions?  do i want to know?
[12:41] <mornfall> well, cups for one :p
[12:41] <hunger> Hobbsee: The biggest issue is that my laptop no longer suspends... plus lots of minor stuff that is not really important but annoying.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:42] <hunger> Hobbsee: I filed bugs for everything (before dapper got released), but they did not make it into the release.
[12:42] <hunger> Hobbsee: I wouldn't mind too much if it were not for the "LTS-best-ubuntu-ever" hype:-|
[12:42] <Hobbsee> true, there are a lot of bugs there
[12:42] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah.
[12:43] <hunger> Hobbsee: Well, I downgraded to breezy again, that was a really fine release.
[12:43] <hunger> Hobbsee: ... and am waiting for edgy to get steam:-)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hunger: oddly enough, most people say that breezy was worse :P
[12:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, looking forward to that :)
[12:44] <toma> i think there is a difference in what you can blame 'dapper' and what is caused by the author of a certain application. I guess not being able to suspend is not a real dapper issue.
[12:44] <hunger> toma: From my understanding that is a kernel bug. So I blame it on dapper.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> seems like a kernel issue maybe?  seeing as there was a different kernel in breezy/dapper.  it does seem weird though
[12:45] <hunger> toma: The really annoying issue is that the box suspends fine, resumes fine.
[12:45] <toma> hunger: did dapper patch the kernel then?
[12:45] <hunger> toma: But once it is up it does a nice and clean shutdown.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hunger: oh that?  i had that for breezy!
[12:46] <hunger> toma: Of course garbling the screen with this annoying shutdown usplash that keeps breaking, messing up the screen.
[12:47] <hunger> That damn shutdown graphic makes it impossible to go to single user mode with dapper:-(
[12:47] <imbrandon> moins \sh
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hey \sh 
[12:48] <\sh> re
[12:48] <toma> hunger: remove the usplash package then
[12:48] <\sh> did anyone tried to build a pbuilder chroot ? 
[12:48] <Hobbsee> i must say though, dapper's a huge improvement over hoary.
[12:48] <mornfall> wow, but it runs so much faster in valgrind now :)
[12:48] <\sh> with debootstrap from edgy installed on dapper?
[12:48] <hunger> Well, having said this, dapper has some really nice stuff:-) It is a nice distribution overall. It really hurts having to use breezy on the laptop.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay :)
[12:49] <mornfall> so let's callgrind it
[12:49] <\sh> hunger: what's wrong with dapper?
[12:49] <hunger> \sh: mostly that my laptop does not suspend with it. That makes it pretty useless on that laptop.
[12:49] <hunger> \sh: Plus a couple of annoyances (mostly usplash related).
[12:51] <hunger> \sh: I.e. why is the shutdown usplash run from the kdm init-script? a) it breaks 8 out of 10 times, messing up the screen and b) it makes it impossible to go to singleuser mode.
[12:52] <\sh> hunger: well, yes the laptop keys...did you try to call /etc/acpi/sleep.sh manually?
[12:52] <hunger> \sh: Yes. The laptop suspends fine, resumes fine and then automatically does a nice and clean shutdown.
[12:53] <\sh> even with the latest kernel update?
[12:53] <hunger> \sh: So basically everything works fine... it is just not really useable:-)
[12:53] <hunger> \sh: Yeap.
[12:54] <toma> why does a broken suspend has to be with being able to use it?
[12:55] <hunger> toma: Suspend is about saving time:-) A resume-shutdown-startup cycle is somewhat longer than a resume cycle:-)
[12:55] <toma> hunger: how ofte do you do that in a day?
[12:56] <hunger> toma: I suspend about 10 to 20 times a day, depending on how much I have to travel.
[12:56] <toma> Hobbsee: do i smell capuchino?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> toma: possibly, i dont drink coffee :P
[12:57] <hunger> toma: shuting down/restarting is not the issue, but getting all the apps with all the data started again is.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> \sh: haha
[01:00] <\sh> Hobbsee: you are not allowed to drink beer, right? ;)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: well...
[01:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: in a month or so, i'm legal to - so they wont sell it to me
[01:00] <hunger> \sh: What do you think why he is giving the stuff away? ;-)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> whether they'd serve it to me, seeing how old i look, is an interesting question
[01:01] <\sh> hunger: well, because she likes me? ;)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> \sh: but besides that, i dont like the taste of the stuff.  and there are other reasons too
[01:01] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:02] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch_!
[01:02] <\sh> hey ajmitch_
[01:02] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, sorry, I had assumed you were male.
[01:02] <ajmitch_> hello
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hunger: :)  most people do.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> back soon
[01:03] <ajmitch_> hunger: there are rumours that there are females on irc
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: Too few women in the FOSS world:-(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> they are false though, utterly and totally false.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:03] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: of course...
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hunger: i dont blame them, they have to put up with a lot if they want to be a part.
[01:04] <hunger> ajmitch_: Yes, I keep hearing that, too... but I never noticed one yet.
[01:04] <\sh> I know some women working on FOSS or promoting at least the usage of FOSS 
[01:04] <Hobbsee> back in a bit - although i'd prefer to stay here
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hold this conversatoin :P
[01:04] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yes, I know:-( Men are idiots.
[01:04] <hunger> \sh: So do I... But still I do assume people in IRC to be male.
[01:05] <\sh> ajmitch_: did you try out creating a edgy chroot (debootstrap or pbuilder)?
[01:05] <\sh> hunger: how can you tell?
[01:05] <hunger> \sh: Tell what?
[01:05] <\sh> I just pretend that I'm a man..but in real life, I'm a woman >:->
[01:06] <\sh> just joking
[01:06] <hunger> \sh: I can not tell... but if I went round assuming people here were female then my rate of error would be higher:-)
[01:07] <\sh> actually it doesn't matter if men or women#
[01:07] <hunger> Although that is nothing but an assumption based on how many women I see at tradeshows:-)
[01:07] <ajmitch_> \sh: no, I've only dist-upgraded dapper chroots
[01:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: can you try to confirm this
[01:08] <\sh> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[01:08] <\sh> Setting up udev (093-0ubuntu1) ...
[01:08] <ajmitch_> hm, last time I saw \sh he didn't look like a woman..
[01:08] <\sh> /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst: line 82: my_persistent_disk_rules: command not found
[01:08] <\sh> dpkg: error processing udev (--configure):
[01:08] <\sh>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[01:08] <hunger> \sh: Not here, no. Even though I think some men will behave totally moronic once they spot a female here:-(
[01:08] <ajmitch_> \sh: yes, and about 30 other people who have filed that bug as a duplicate in malone
[01:08] <\sh> oh well, I'm too slow today
[01:08] <ajmitch_> :)
[01:08] <ajmitch_> it's been there for about 2-3 days
[01:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: and this?
[01:08] <\sh> I: Configuring ubuntu-keyring...
[01:08] <\sh> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[01:08] <\sh> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[01:09] <\sh> during debootstrap? ;)
[01:09] <ajmitch_> that's probably due to the udev thing above
[01:09] <hunger> I see lots of "can not open file" messages during bootup since I upgraded udev. I assume that is due to incompatibilities and will fix itself once edgy gets a new kernel.
[01:09] <ajmitch_> ok, not 30
[01:10] <\sh> hmmm...food
[01:10] <ajmitch_> only 6 marked as duplicates, surprisingly ;)
[01:11] <ajmitch_> bug 49925
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49925 in udev "broken postinst" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49925
[01:14] <hunger> ajmitch_: I guess there are not many ppl that upgraded to edgy yet.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> back
[01:14] <hunger> ajmitch_: THere is nothing to see yet anyway, except for broken locales:-)
[01:15] <ajmitch_> welcome back, Hobbsee 
[01:15] <ajmitch_> hunger: plenty of sources have been synced from debian & are building
[01:15] <ajmitch_> I'm guessing that the publisher is needing to be run for them, or is pending..
 \sh: Not here, no. Even though I think some men will behave totally moronic once they spot a female here:-( <-- yep, seen that.  repeatedly.  hence the comment about having to put up with a fair bit.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> thanks ajmitch_ :)
[01:17] <\sh> ajmitch_: debhelper is waiting for po-debconf, that's why new udev is FTB
[01:17] <ajmitch_> \sh: yes, I saw there were a few failures :)
[01:18] <\sh> tuesday is da day for trying to reactivate my upload rights...let's see what will happen...I'm feverish to upload new stuff ;)
[01:18] <ajmitch_> they'll probably let you back in
[01:18] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe yay! so we can come and bug you for uploads :D
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: dont think you'll get to go anywhere.
[01:19] <\sh> ajmitch_: no ways...you have to help me :)
[01:19] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: sure I will
[01:19] <ajmitch_> \sh: help with what?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm...mum's getting sick of the computer problems on the study computer, and now wants a mac.  weird.
[01:20] <\sh> ajmitch_: with everything..we need to fix the universe ;)
[01:20] <ajmitch_> \sh: we'll have < 4 months to fix it all :)
[01:20] <ajmitch_> besides, that's what Hobbsee is for
[01:20] <Hobbsee> what???
[01:21] <Hobbsee> what am i doing now?
[01:21] <\sh> fixing the universe said ajmitch_
[01:21] <Hobbsee> oh.  doesnt he mean breaking the universe?
[01:21] <ajmitch_> we expect her to go to MOTU in the next month or so
[01:21] <\sh> ajmitch_: next month? why not now?
[01:22] <ajmitch_> because she doesn't have much she's done that's not just fixes
[01:22] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: nah, you need to join the launchpad team yourself, unfortunately
[01:22] <ajmitch_> \sh: any bets on when she'll go for core-dev?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: yeah, we're still getting kopete in - there were about 4 of us :P
[01:22] <\sh> ajmitch_: hmmm....
[01:23] <\sh> ajmitch_: in 2 months?
[01:23] <ajmitch_> say 2.5
[01:23] <\sh> ajmitch_: what about  barry?
[01:23] <ajmitch_> he's already gone for it
[01:24] <ajmitch_> we'll see if he reapplies
[01:24] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: no, just NZ
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:24] <\sh> and simple germany
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ja, ich nicht spreke Deutsch.
[01:25] <ajmitch_> why not?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> because....because...
[01:25] <ajmitch_> you have no reasons
[01:25] <\sh> and I don't speak english...fair enough ;)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: becuase i hate being told no
[01:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: :P
[01:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's about the only german i remember
[01:26] <ajmitch_> \sh: will you have time to visit paris at all?
[01:26] <Sime> is anyone here leaving the Paris meeting on the saturday?  (24th)
[01:27] <ajmitch_> haha
[01:27] <\sh> ajmitch_: no..it's during the week, I can't take off from work...release schedule
[01:27] <toma> \sh: yes, he will not be found back
[01:27] <hunger> \sh: Who wouldn't?
[01:28] <\sh> hunger: I think if my bride will tell "No" in front of the priest...I would marry her
[01:28] <ajmitch_> \sh: unfortunate
[01:28] <\sh> oh that was a paradoxon
[01:28] <Hobbsee> somehow, i suspect that my groom wouldnt leave me at that point - he would have done it ages before that
[01:28] <toma> \sh: haha
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: anyway, get me angry enough, and i do explode.  think i've only done it a couple of times on ubuntu related stuff though.
[01:29] <toma> Hobbsee: or he is to scared to do that
[01:29] <hunger> Hobbsee: Well, I was kind of surprised that my bride did not run away screeming at the altar:-)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> toma: hehe, now hey, i'm not *that* scary :P
[01:29] <\sh> hunger: she did see you the first time at the altar? ;))
[01:30] <hunger> \sh: Nope:-)
[01:31] <toma> Hobbsee: there is no way we can confim that ;-)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> toma: not unless someone comes and meets me, then comes back alive
[01:32] <ajmitch_> toma: she just needs to get sponsored to the next conference :)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> seems pretty futile to dream of that
[01:33] <ajmitch_> you don't want to dream fo being locked in a hotel for a week with a bunch of geeks? ;)
[01:33] <toma> Hobbsee: unless you are close to darwin, i can't arrange that soon
[01:33] <Hobbsee> although i would like to meet up with everyone one day
[01:33] <\sh> oh...lets wait until riddell votes for you on the internal wiki for sponsorship
[01:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: could be fun :P  depensd what happens there
[01:33] <Hobbsee> if i just get to be crazy in person like i am on irc :P
[01:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, speaking of kopete , is the code on Riddell's space the latest ?
[01:34] <imbrandon> heh
[01:34] <\sh> Hobbsee: believe me, you are surprised, how "normal" all those "crazy irc" people are in real life
[01:34] <ajmitch_> \sh: well, some of them
[01:34] <imbrandon> \sh, or atleaste toned down ;)
[01:34] <toma> normal as in normal nerds you mean
[01:34] <ajmitch_> some of them are just as crazy
[01:34] <\sh> ajmitch_: e.g.?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: um.  well, apachelogger put it up on revu, riddell reviewed it, said there was stuff to be changed - i emailed details to him about what needed fixing that i'd found, but have no reply
[01:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seems like bzr would be useful or something :P
[01:35] <ajmitch_> \sh: jdub
[01:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea seeing how you me riddell and freeflying are all working on it lol
[01:35] <ajmitch_> though he can be quite normal as well
[01:35] <\sh> ajmitch_: well, yes, but he will be different at home with his wife ;)
[01:35] <ajmitch_> wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
[01:36] <ajmitch_> \sh: you haven't met pia, have you?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> thanks ajmitch_ - now we just need the latets code :P
[01:36] <\sh> ajmitch_: I read about her...
[01:36] <imbrandon> right ...
[01:36] <\sh> ajmitch_: don't tell me she was sitting next to jdub, when he dropped his pants
[01:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: tmi lol
[01:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, if you see Riddell-awa later on see if you can figure out where the latest branch is and we'll setup brz 
[01:37] <ajmitch_> launchpad is great, but a little slow for the initial push
[01:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay, it's 1.37pm there now, so he should be around somewhere
[01:38] <imbrandon> yea you just need a ssh key registed with lp right ajmitch_ ?
[01:38] <ajmitch_> especially if you use a branch for each patch, since it doesn't use repositories on the server :)
[01:38] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: yep
[01:38] <\sh> ajmitch_: I tried to upload something to bazaar.launchpad.net...but it didn't work...do I need to be in the core-team to push something to this location?
[01:38] <ajmitch_> \sh: if you're pushing to ~ubuntu-core-dev/product/branch
[01:38] <ajmitch_> otherwise you push to your own space
[01:38] <\sh> ajmitch_: that's what I tried
[01:38] <Hobbsee> ack, i'm deaded 
[01:38] <\sh> ajmitch_: I wanted to push kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts 
[01:39] <ajmitch_> \sh: to where?
[01:39] <\sh> ajmitch_: ubuntu-core-dev/...
[01:39] <\sh> I created a prodct
[01:39] <ajmitch_> well you're not in the team, so of course it won't work :)
[01:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch_, what is "your space" like ~/ or something on lp ?
[01:39] <ajmitch_> get reactivated & then try
[01:39] <\sh> product even (damn german keyboard on this t43)
[01:39] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: sftp://$USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~$USER/$PRODUCT/ubuntu.$NAME
[01:39] <\sh> ajmitch_: ok..so it's group based :)
[01:40] <ajmitch_> \sh: yes, it's all tied to the people & teams on lp
[01:41] <ajmitch_> initial push probably requires --create-prefix
[01:41] <ajmitch_> I think all that is on the wiki
[01:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, seems to be
[01:41] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe..I read scotts introduction
[01:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i have no ssh key currently, too
[01:42] <imbrandon> heh
[01:42] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: I've got some code that isn't packaged yet
[01:42] <imbrandon> see Hobbsee and its sftp, should have learned a bit of ssh like i said before ;)
[01:42] <imbrandon> for ?
[01:42] <ajmitch_> SoC stuff
[01:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah yeah...it's not like iv'e been doing anything else like studying, is it?
[01:43] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  hehhe
[01:43] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: not from what I've heard :P
[01:43] <\sh> ajmitch_: are you mentoring someone?
[01:43] <ajmitch_> \sh: hah no, I'm a student ;)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh, and kicking people at random, and dying bloodily cos i got shot.
[01:43] <ajmitch_> \sh: mithrandir is my mentor for network authentication
[01:43] <imbrandon> lol
[01:43] <\sh> ajmitch_: oh cool :)
[01:44] <ajmitch_> with this money, I can go to far off foreign lands
[01:44] <ajmitch_> like the north island
[01:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:44] <imbrandon> lol
[01:44] <Hobbsee> i was about to say "like australia?"
[01:44] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: nah, it's cheaper to fly to .au
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: hush you @ the study comment.  especially hush around my parents about that :P
[01:45] <ajmitch_> as if I'd bring it up, ever
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: good :)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> see to it that you dont.
[01:45] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:46] <ajmitch_> sure..
[01:47] <\sh> ajmitch_: you grab the money from SoC and come to germany next year during linuxtag time..or this year for linuxexpo in cologne
[01:47] <ajmitch_> \sh: I'd love to :)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> s/plot/plan
[01:47] <\sh> Hobbsee: you come to germany too?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> \sh: er, how?
[01:47] <ajmitch_> though flying all that way for linuxtag/linuxexpo will cost a lot
[01:48] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: calling it an evil plan doesn't sound that much better
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: true
[01:48] <imbrandon> plan is better than plot how ?
[01:48] <\sh> ajmitch_: well, visit europe then 
[01:48] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: deal with hiver over in #ubuntu, will you? :)
[01:48] <ajmitch_> \sh: if I'm working & have the money to spare :)
[01:49] <\sh> ajmitch_: wanna work in germany for good money, NOW? :)
[01:49] <ajmitch_> \sh: sure :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: thanks mate
[01:50] <ajmitch_> why would you do that?
[01:50] <\sh> ajmitch_: you are in this zope/plone business and you are able to port some windows sources to linux?
[01:50] <ajmitch_> \sh: what sort of work?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: so he wants the install cd, not the live cd.
[01:50] <ajmitch_> \sh: source for what?
[01:50] <\sh> ajmitch_: or sysadmin stuff?
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: I can't tell you anything about it, but it's pure windows crap...and it needs to be ported as native app to linux
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: frontend 
[01:51] <ajmitch_> win32 API?
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: yes
[01:51] <ajmitch_> sounds more like a rewrite than a port
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: first step will be wine anyways as I understood our devs
[01:52] <ajmitch_> right
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch_: but just because, it has to be ported asap
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: make it up :P
[01:53] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: like australians do with english? ;)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: haha
[01:53] <\sh> ajmitch_: try babelfish on http://www.combots.com/jobs_de.html
[01:53] <\sh> ajmitch_: you will see the list of open positions
[01:53] <\sh> ajmitch_: you will learn german in no time, believe me..
[01:54] <ajmitch_> such a sweet, charming girl
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:54] <imbrandon> hmmm \sh looks fun
[01:55] <\sh> imbrandon: it is :)
[01:55] <ajmitch_> \sh: but they need someone now, not next month? :)
[01:55] <imbrandon> how tolerant would they be of a non german speaker ;)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: a *NZ* non-german speaker, which would be even worse
[01:56] <\sh> grmpf
[01:56] <\sh> re
[01:56] <\sh> we have right now, 55% freelancers, and 45% employees :)
[01:56] <\sh> so they need personal
[01:57] <\sh> and everybody is talking english as 2nd language
[01:57] <imbrandon> lol
[01:57] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I'm not going to smack you :P
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hmm...this would be easier to read with babelfish
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: sure sure :P
[01:58] <\sh> s/talking/speaking/
[01:58] <ajmitch_> \sh: it's interesting for sure :)
[01:59] <\sh> ajmitch_: send your CV etc. to HR and ask there what they can do...
[02:00] <\sh> ajmitch_: tell them that you are very involved in debian/ubuntu development etc. and you apply for a job in the sysadmin team..so you land directly at my boss ;)
[02:00] <\sh> and he is debian fanatic
[02:00] <ajmitch_> and you put in a good word for the struggling, poor debian developer? ;)
[02:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:01] <\sh> ajmitch_: amu did it for me :)
[02:02] <toma> typical
[02:02] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: you take far too much pleasure from that
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: hehe
[02:02] <ajmitch_> power-mad ops..
[02:02] <raphink_sleep> ajmitch_: you want to move to Europe?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: you're next :P
[02:03] <ajmitch_> raphink_sleep: sure, it'd be fun :)
[02:03] <raphink_sleep> ajmitch_: nice :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: you should have seen us last night, gosh it was funny!
[02:03] <raphink_sleep> my company is also a great place for linux fans 
[02:03] <\sh> raphink_sleep: if we can free australia and new zealand, we have a new prisoners colony for europe ;)
[02:03] <raphink_sleep> in my service we are about 40 linux system admins
[02:03] <raphink> \sh: ahah
[02:04] <raphink> imbrandon: from?
[02:04] <imbrandon> \sh, lol
[02:04] <imbrandon> raphink, USA ( Kansas City )
[02:04] <Hobbsee> \sh: haha.  yes, but wouldnt that requre me from moving too?
[02:04] <raphink> ok
[02:04] <raphink> Hobbsee: you can move, too ;)
[02:04] <\sh> Hobbsee: you have to :)
[02:04] <raphink> we need linux people in europe :)
[02:05] <ajmitch_> we need linux people in NZ
[02:05] <raphink> well, everywhere I guess ;)
[02:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:05] <imbrandon> raphink, what company ?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> me move?  eek
[02:08] <ajmitch_> \sh: where in .de are you?
[02:10] <\sh> ajmitch_: I'm near cologne..but the company is in karlsruhe
[02:10] <ajmitch_> right
[02:10] <\sh> cologne <-> karlsruhe around 400km
[02:10] <\sh> one way
[02:14] <Hobbsee> \sh: raphink: i dont think you should tempt me about moving.  i might just do it
[02:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so it's really much faster now :] 
[02:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay!
[02:15] <mornfall> 2 seconds on 800MHz pentium M
[02:16] <mornfall> 0.5-1s on 1.8GHz pentium M
[02:17] <imbrandon> nice mornfall
[02:17] <mornfall> yeah, i'm pretty happy about it :)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: we'll get an update for edgy then?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> one less thing for people to complain about?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> no, revise that, they'll find something else to complain about anyway
[02:21] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i think i killed the conversation
[02:22] <imbrandon> heh
[02:22] <ajmitch_> well done
[02:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:22] <imbrandon> curtsey
[02:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> no, to curtsey i have to be wearing a skirt.
[02:24] <imbrandon> uhh ok
[02:24] <ajmitch_> :)
[02:25] <imbrandon> hrm i think i'm gonna goto bed and watch a movie ( the new world ) , gnight all
[02:25] <ajmitch_> night
[02:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and by association, skirts are impractical.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: try wearing one one day, if you dont believe me, and then try running up and down stairs, and jumping on/off stages.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> it *is* possible to do it decently, but it does require practice.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch_ 
[02:29] <toma> is this the kubuntu channel?
[02:29] <imbrandon> k-d
[02:29] <Hobbsee> toma: it's the kubuntu development channel, yes
[02:32] <toma> Hobbsee: that was fast....
[02:32] <Hobbsee> toma: hmmm?
[02:33] <toma> joining and leaving rsibreak channel
[02:33] <Hobbsee> toma: oh
[02:33] <ajmitch_> \sh: I worry about her
[02:34] <\sh> ajmitch_: about whom? hobbsee?
[02:35] <\sh> I'm just jabbering with zerlinna about a training site for kubuntu
[02:35] <\sh> with moodle...nice idea
[02:35] <mornfall> Hobbsee: no update
[02:35] <mornfall> Hobbsee: too many changes
[02:35] <ajmitch_> \sh: yeah, Hobbsee 
[02:35] <mornfall> it'll be a small miracle if it makes into edgy
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch_: why?
[02:35] <ajmitch_> \sh: taping me to the channel, she knows I'm a GNOME user
[02:35] <\sh> ajmitch_: sometimes she is frightening me ;)
[02:35] <ajmitch_> :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: we'll just bring you over to our side :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> the good side :P
[02:37] <Hobbsee> mornfall: er, isnt edgy all about changes?
[02:37] <mornfall> maybe
[02:37] <mornfall> but the schedule is tight
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ah okya
[02:37] <Hobbsee> thanks imbrandon - duct tape *always* seems to come in handy.
[02:37] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: not likely..
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> well, you tried to get me to gnome :P
[02:38] <ajmitch_> not really
[02:39] <ajmitch_> funny
[02:39] <imbrandon> heh
[02:39] <ajmitch_> define 'upstream'
[02:39] <imbrandon> mono
[02:39] <ajmitch_> since trolltech doesn't show much interest in it
[02:40] <ajmitch_> not likely to happen
[02:40] <mornfall> qt#? who cares?
[02:40] <\sh> who wants qt#?
[02:40] <imbrandon> i know , its sad but i know
[02:40] <ajmitch_> I don't know of any qt# efforts from mono
[02:40] <imbrandon> _I_ want qt#
[02:40] <imbrandon> heh
[02:40] <mornfall> mono doesn't care
[02:40] <mornfall> they care about gtk :)
[02:40] <mornfall> if at all
[02:40] <ajmitch_> exactly
[02:40] <imbrandon> exactly
[02:40] <mornfall> but then, noone cares about mono
[02:41] <mornfall> so it's even
[02:41] <mornfall> :-)
[02:41] <imbrandon> and _I_ == ex windows c# programer that uses kde , that leaves me with using gtk# ;(
[02:41] <imbrandon> i guess the linux awnser is if i want it build it 
[02:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:42] <imbrandon> or just learn pyqt ( thats what ACTUALY happened )
[02:42] <\sh> imbrandon: pyqt
[02:43] <imbrandon> \sh, yea but i can always hope to leverage my c#, but then again c# daemons with pyqt front ends are good too , that way gtk can be added alter or other front ends made etc
[02:43] <imbrandon> s/alter/later
[02:44] <\sh> imbrandon: believe me, python daemons are much faster then this crappy java/mono stuff
[02:44] <imbrandon> probbly true
[02:44] <imbrandon> mono > java for speed anyhow , not as much as native or python but still faster
[02:46] <imbrandon> anyhow , i'm off to be , gnight all
[02:46] <ajmitch_> night imbrandon 
[02:46] <\sh> wow
[02:46] <\sh> I got a ride from paris to germany for free
[02:46] <ajmitch_> \sh: great, but when? :)
[02:47] <ajmitch_> not next week?
[02:47] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe...I'm not in paris anyways...
[02:47] <\sh> ajmitch_: but friday she would take me for a ride
[02:47] <ajmitch_> heh
[02:47] <\sh> but cool
[02:47] <\sh> so I will meet her somehow at froscon next weekend
[02:48] <ajmitch_> developer?
[02:50] <\sh> ajmitch_: fsfe?
[02:51] <\sh> free software foundation europe_
[02:51] <\sh> I would bet
[02:52] <ajmitch_> ok
[02:53] <\sh> just wrote an email and said thx for the offer...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: i'm really not that scary, you know.  i'm probably just a little bit wild :P
[03:02] <toma> can someone package http://www.digitalfanatics.org/e8johan/ajax/gwt/tictactoe/TicTacToe.html
[03:02] <toma> i love it
[03:08] <ajmitch_> toma: that someone could be you!
[03:09] <toma> ajmitch_: right. My last package sucked, so I'll try to stay away from it
[03:10] <ajmitch_> this is your chance to improve
[03:11] <toma> ajmitch_: i rather do some coding and leave the packaging to the experts
[03:12] <Hobbsee> toma: er, what the?  you mean, package the java applet?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> *javascript
[03:12] <toma> not?
[03:14] <\sh> Hobbsee: I believe you...
[03:15] <Hobbsee> wow, an irc conversation with Riddell-awa is in a python script in a package
[03:17] <\sh> which package?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> displayconfig-hwprobe.py is the file
[03:19] <Hobbsee> what's the command to run the hardware detection again?  i've forgotten
[03:20] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: only 3 lines :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> true.  i was just searching thru files
[03:21] <ajmitch_> no thanks
[03:22] <Hobbsee> no, not you :P
[03:24] <Hobbsee> back in a bit
[03:25] <\sh> toma: it's ajax javascript
[03:26] <\sh> cool...jabber.kubuntu.de goes live
[03:26] <toma> wow, you are still taking me far to serious
[03:27] <\sh> toma: you are kde dev...actually I rely on you ;)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!  run in fear :P
[03:27] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I just got here..
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick :)
[03:28] <toma> \sh: relying on me is a bad idea in general ;-)
[03:28] <jpatrick> \sh: now that Edgy's open should I reupload kxdocker?
[03:28] <hunger> Hobbsee: Didn't you claim a while back that you are not that scary?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hunger: yeah
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i'm not
[03:28] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[03:28] <Hobbsee> much
[03:28] <ajmitch_> yes you are
[03:28] <Hobbsee> actually, when i'm screaming at you, then i might well be, but otherwise...
[03:28] <\sh> jpatrick: well, if you can create a running edgy chroot, sure ;)
[03:28] <hunger> Hobbsee: So there is no need to run in fear, is there?
[03:28] <\sh> or wait until it's compiled
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hunger: well...you could just run that way...
[03:29] <hunger> So which kde version is supposed to be in edgy? I guess 4.0 won't be out till then... Will there be a 3.6 or something?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hunger: 3.5.4 probably
[03:30] <Hobbsee> assuming feature freeze is after july
[03:30] <Hobbsee> er, you could just run away in fear anyway
[03:32] <hunger> Hobbsee: feature freeze of ubuntu or kde?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hunger: of ubuntu
[03:35] <ajmitch_> night all
[03:36] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch_ 
[03:42] <raphink> night ajmitch_
[04:02] <seaLne> how do you unmark as duplicate?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: good question...ask in #launchpad ?
[04:03] <seaLne> ah click on mark as duplicate then delete the number
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:03] <seaLne> that is very counter intuative
[04:03] <Hobbsee> rather, yes
[04:03] <seaLne> but was the only thing i could see to do
[04:03] <hunger> seaLne: It is well in line with the launchpad HIG IMHO :-(
[04:04] <\sh> seaLne: file a bug 
[04:05] <seaLne> is /products/launchpad the write one?
[04:05] <\sh> yes
[04:15] <seaLne> bah after all that it was a duplicate, i need more caffeine
[04:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:55] <\sh> sleep tight Hobbsee
[04:55] <toma> night Hobbsee
[04:55] <Hobbsee> \sh: toma :)
[05:28] <nixternal> kalamazoo ey?
[05:29] <nixternal> LeeJunFan: ^^
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> nixternal: no, that's just where my DSL line runs.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> nixternal: Cheboygan.
[05:53] <nixternal> ahhh...i am fron the area originally...all my family is there...around benton harbor
[05:54] <nixternal> kalamazoo, pawpaw, cheboygan, grand rapids...and many more ;)
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> Cool. I'm actually a NY'er up until about 10 years ago.
[05:54] <nixternal> watervliet too...not many people know of that town..unless they are a pilot
[05:55] <nixternal> wow...from NY to the sticks...that had to be a big time change ;)
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> nixternal: not really, I lived in the sticks in NY too. Western NY, not the city.
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> nixternal: still quite a bit slower paced than the cities I was used to in NY though.
[05:56] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:56] <nixternal> all of michigan is slow paced ;)
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> nixternal: yeah, I agree.
[05:57] <nixternal> what actually kills me...is everyone in south western michigan talks like they are from kentucky or futher south...i don't know where they get it from, they are yankees ;)
[05:58] <nixternal> you probably don't notice it though...see im in chicago now...and when i talk to my family there or visit i get a kick out of it
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, from where I was in NY to here there's not much of an accent change.
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> Although I always get picked on for saying upstate instead of Up North :)
[05:59] <nixternal> one of these days i will be living in mi again
[05:59] <nixternal> lol...i have family that say the same thing..as most of htem in mi came from rochester, ny
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, I was from Jamestown NY, about 3-4 hrs from Rochester if I recall. I've never been there, but I had a cousin there.
[07:10] <uniq> kdesu is missing a dependendy on sudo.
[07:31] <jpatrick> ouch
[07:33] <\sh> edgy?
[07:33] <raphink> can syncs/merges be requested to elmo yet?
[07:34] <raphink> he synced a package but it's missing a dependency that should be synced too
[07:35] <\sh> syncs are done via launchpad
[07:35] <raphink> ah?
[07:35] <raphink> where?
[07:35] <\sh> I think via subscribing ubuntu-something...damn..I forgot that thing
[07:36] <\sh> or was it backports?
[07:37] <raphink> hmmm
[07:37] <\sh> ask siretart he has to know ;)
[07:37] <raphink> yes
[07:37] <raphink> since he's performing some
[07:41] <\sh> oh..i need to package nexuiz
[08:13] <mornfall> someone can think of something i shouldn't forget to take to paris?
[08:15] <uniq> laptop powersupply.
[08:23] <\sh> mornfall: a well trained liver ;)
[08:30] <mornfall> hehe
[08:30] <\sh> mornfall: and don't think about sleeping ;) 
[08:31] <mornfall> pff
[08:51] <Tonio_> hi
[08:51] <toma> hi Tonio_
[08:52] <Tonio_> hey toma
[08:52] <Tonio_> did you already use a bluetooth mouse ?
[08:52] <Tonio_> I just bought one and I have pain to make it work
[08:52] <toma> no, i've nothing bluetooth
[09:24] <Tonio_> re
[09:24] <Tonio_> mouse is working ;)
[09:24] <Tonio_> just sad that this cannot be done with kde-bluetooth...
[09:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: how did you make it ?
[09:35] <Tonio_> plug and play ;)
[09:36] <Tonio_> just that it apparently didn't have enough battery
[09:36] <OdyX> Bluetooth ?
[09:36] <OdyX> arf...
[09:36] <Tonio_> but I could force it manually in /etc/default/bluez-utils in case it wouldn't work
[09:36] <OdyX> sure...
[09:37] <OdyX> its' fun
[09:37] <Tonio_> the only thing that surprises me is that if it works without config, that can cause a little issue of several mice are arround....
[09:37] <OdyX> sure...
[09:38] <Tonio_> so I removed the config, and I'm going to reboot to check, since that's a bit surprising...
[09:38] <OdyX> but the mouse is "pure Bluetooth" or "mouse+dongle" ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> pure bluetooth
[09:38] <OdyX> fine...
[09:38] <Tonio_> but since my laptop doesn't have embedded bluetooth, I'm using a dongle
[09:38] <OdyX> you should try bluemote... It's fun... :D
[09:39] <Tonio_> I will ;)
[09:39] <Tonio_> thanks for the info
[09:39] <Tonio_> rebooting now
[09:41] <OdyX> Tonio_: just note that bluemote is not packaged...
[09:42] <OdyX> But with that frontend: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23061 <- it rocks
[09:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: well do  it :)
[09:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: ;-) I'll maybe give it a try.
[09:53] <\sh> people, we need more kubuntu blogger...for universe.kubuntu.de...
[09:59] <OdyXydO> \sh: german speaking ?
[09:59] <OdyXydO> \sh: even "swiss german" writing ?
[09:59] <OdyXydO> ;-)
[09:59] <\sh> OdyXydO: no. you can write in zulu as well :)
[10:00] <\sh> OdyXydO: language doesn't matter
[10:00] <\sh> OdyXydO: as long you are using kubuntu as main desktop
[10:00] <OdyXydO> \sh: so... why having a *.de domain name ?
[10:01] <\sh> OdyXydO: because kubuntu.org is hosted by canonical, and some things can't be installed on canonical servers
[10:01] <OdyXydO> and no planet.kubuntu.org ?
[10:01] <OdyXydO> Ok
[10:01] <\sh> planet.kubuntu,de is the official kubuntu planet ;)
[10:01] <\sh> powered by kubuntu.de ;)
[10:02] <\sh> OdyXydO: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/215-planet.kubuntu.de-announcement.html
[10:02] <OdyXydO> and universe ? is like "all that cannot be on planet".kubuntu.de ?
[10:02] <\sh> OdyXydO: planet. is for the official members, developers
[10:02] <\sh> OdyXydO: universe is for anybody else
[10:02] <\sh> who are using kubuntu
[10:17] <Tonio_> re
[10:17] <Tonio_> okay last point is to find a mini-pci bluetooth module for my laptop :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> does it exist ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> never heard about, but that should
[10:18] <\sh> Tonio_: it's included when you have bluetooth ;)
[10:19] <Tonio_> \sh: the problem is my laptop doesn't have :)
[10:19] <Tonio_> \sh: so I'm searching for a mini-pci card or maybe pcmcia one...
[10:19] <\sh> Tonio_: then you need a mini pci card ...;) from your laptop vendor, or use a bluetooth usb dongle ;)
[10:19] <Tonio_> \sh: any idea if that could exist in mini-pci format ?
[10:20] <Tonio_> \sh: I do with a dongle actually, but I'd like to avoid pluging it everytimt ;)
[10:20] <\sh> Tonio_: which laptop vendor?
[10:20] <Tonio_> \sh: sony
[10:20] <Tonio_> I searched without success till now
[10:21] <\sh> hehe
[10:21] <\sh> http://www.siliconpopculture.com/sonytr/viewtopic.php?p=6414&sid=04a454f12f51011de751972a46b5326d
[10:22] <Tonio_> nice :)
[10:22] <Tonio_> although I'd like to avoid combos, since I have a centrino and the support is nice :)
[10:22] <Tonio_> \sh: I would prefer to avoid any soirt of conflict :)
[10:23] <\sh> Tonio_: call sony support..I think it's the only reliable way to get informations
[10:23] <Tonio_> \sh: that's the best thing to do probably yes
[10:24] <Tonio_> I know their support is one of the bests
[10:24] <Tonio_> \sh: but why should I focus on my constructor ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> isn't mini-pci a standard ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> it should be possible to use hardware from any company no ?
[10:25] <\sh> yes, but as always, the manufactures are messing around
[10:25] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-filters-draft0.png
[10:25] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks for the infos :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: very nice !
[10:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: I just noticed adept filter field doesn't seem to perform "a OR b" kind of search
[10:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: only phrase type search
[10:26] <mornfall> it does ANDing
[10:27] <mornfall> ah you mean quick search
[10:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes, only phrase mode
[10:28] <Tonio_> so to search for example "newsgroups kde"
[10:28] <Tonio_> doesn't work ;)
[10:28] <Tonio_> mornfall: can I use an "AND" tag or something ?
[10:28] <Tonio_> to search for newsgroup and kde in description for example
[10:30] <mornfall> no, it doesn't recognize any keywords
[10:30] <mornfall> plain substring search
[10:33] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay, thanks
[10:55] <kwwii> evening
[10:55] <Tonio_> hey kwwii;)
[10:55] <kwwii> anyone build new packages for inkscape?
[10:55] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[10:55] <Tonio_> \sh: I think I will buy a pcmcia card... less expensive than minipci stuff
[10:56] <Tonio_> kwwii: that will probably be merged from debian I presume
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Oh :-( No Hobbsee :(
[10:56] <Tonio_> kwwii: what timle for monday morning ? 
[10:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: the first wine, you mean?
[10:57] <kwwii> :p
[10:57] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/random-screens/adept-filters-draft1.png
[10:57] <kwwii> the meetings start at 9:00 usually
[10:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe ;)
[10:57] <Tonio_> great, I'll try to be there at 8h30
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: usually you can catch everyone at breakfast first
[10:58] <kwwii> I fly in tomorrow afternoon
[10:58] <\sh> kwwii: they start 9am sharp ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> kwwii: yup, so I presume 8h30 is okay no ? 
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, I guess anytime between then and 9:00 is great
[10:59] <mornfall> Tonio_: there = paris?
[10:59] <\sh> kwwii: and if somebody will miss this hour...he will be cursed by da sabdfl
[10:59] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes
[10:59] <Tonio_> there = the hotel in fact
[11:00] <mornfall> are you in launchpad?
[11:00] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Interesting
[11:00] <mornfall> registered that is
[11:00] <DaSkreech> hi crimsun
[11:00] <kwwii> I guess it is a big hotel, so finding the right rooms might be somewhat of a task
[11:00] <Tonio_> mornfall: what do you mean ?
[11:00] <mornfall> Tonio_: there's launchpad registration thingy for the UDS
[11:00] <nixternal> kwwii: especially after drinking all night..they tend to become harder to find ;)
[11:01] <\sh> most likely the hotel has some sort of signs where the summit is
[11:01] <mornfall> and some bof planning thing
[11:01] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Whats the screenshot of?
[11:01] <\sh> and at 8:30 you'll find most of the devs at the breakfast room ;)
[11:01] <kwwii> hehe
[11:01] <\sh> or outside for the smoking bof
[11:01] <Tonio_> mornfall: hum.... I only subscribed to the wiki page
[11:02] <mornfall> DaSkreech: it's a draft in qt designer
[11:02] <\sh> which is somehow a very old bof...postponed every conference..with no real result
[11:02] <\sh> Tonio_: on launchpad there is this sprint tool..you have to subscribe via lp to the bofs, if not, you are not scheduled :(
[11:02] <DaSkreech> mornfall: It's a pop up window?
[11:03] <mornfall> DaSkreech: qt-designer -> preview form
[11:03] <mornfall> you don't want to see all the red layout boundaries ;)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:03] <mornfall> and load of spacers
[11:03] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Hi
[11:03] <Tonio_> \sh: ho yes I tried, but launchpad was crashing when I did.... I'l redo it now
[11:03] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't that too late ?
[11:03] <jpatrick> hello DaSkreech
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Just checking you were talking about kitten the other day?
[11:04] <\sh> Tonio_: no...it's been scheduled every morning
[11:04] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: yeah
[11:04] <\sh> Tonio_: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/31
[11:04] <\sh> something about blueprint
[11:04] <OdyX> [23:04:00]  <McPeter> j'en profite pour dire bravo  la distrib kubuntu :) <- greetings for devs in -fr
[11:04] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Is it a fork of Kat?
[11:04] <jpatrick> No idea
[11:05] <jpatrick> I think it is
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Ah... So what were we talking about? 
[11:05] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks
[11:06] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: not sure :|
[11:06] <DaSkreech> I had gotten the impression you were on the kitten project
[11:06] <\sh> Tonio_: do me a favour, and show ogra and fabbione the dark sides of paris ...;)
[11:06] <jpatrick> I'm a packager
[11:07] <\sh> jpatrick: dude, you don't put a kitten into a package, do you?
[11:07] <DaSkreech> \sh: Shhhhhh
[11:07] <\sh> the little kitten..
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Don't let the kat out of the bag!
[11:07] <jpatrick> \sh: Someone put a kat into a pack
[11:07] <Tonio_> \sh: haha :) I promise :)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> I'd never heard of it before
[11:08] <DaSkreech> I thought kat was dead
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Isn't it to be phased out for Tenor?
[11:08] <\sh> Tonio_: but be careful, both are really heavy party people...
[11:10] <Tonio_> \sh: well the hotel isn't in paris directly, so I will probably not drink to much next week since I'l have to drive every morning to go there :)
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Sweet KDE4 is in edgy? :-)
[11:10] <kwwii> nope
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Riddell Is in charge of the KDE4 packages for Edgy
[11:11] <\sh> Tonio_: how far away from mon matre_
[11:11] <Tonio_> \sh: I would say about 30 to 35 km
[11:11] <\sh> wow
[11:12] <\sh> that's a cheap one ;)
[11:12] <DaSkreech> It's in the topic :)
[11:12] <kwwii> I assume that the hotel is outside of town, or?
[11:12] <Tonio_> the hotel is nearby the airport, not in paris
[11:12] <Tonio_> yes, 30 km in paris north
[11:12] <Tonio_> so it may be a bit weird to go out by night.........
[11:13] <Tonio_> that will oblige everyone to work ;)
[11:13] <\sh> ah charles de gaulle?
[11:13] <\sh> hollyday inn?
[11:13] <kwwii> hehe
[11:13] <Tonio_> \sh: yes, charles de gaule airport
[11:14] <kwwii> it means, we all end up going to bed early
[11:14] <\sh> or a concorde is crashing into the hotel..oh no..there is no concorde anymore ...:(
[11:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: in any case nothing prevents from going in paris by night, I could bring you back to your hotel
[11:15] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, I heard that french guys drive really well when drunken :p
[11:15] <Tonio_> or you can sleep at home for one night, I have two rooms
[11:15] <kwwii> cool :-)
[11:15] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: is there a site for kitten?
[11:15] <kwwii> we should definitely go out
[11:15] <kwwii> I need people to give me shit for being American
[11:15] <\sh> you will, I bet...actually you have to follow fabbione ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, we do drive very nice when drunk, but those 3 years, it started becoming very expensive, hehe :)
[11:15] <\sh> lol
[11:15] <Tonio_> so now we are carefull
[11:16] <kwwii> :-)
[11:16] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: no
[11:16] <DaSkreech> :-(
[11:16] <DaSkreech> mailing list perhaps?
[11:16] <Tonio_> I don't want to loose my driving licence, so...
[11:16] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: http://www.vandenoever.info/ author's page
[11:16] <Tonio_> but that doesn't prevent from going in a nice restaurant and take good wine
[11:17] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[11:17] <seaLne> does wine not count as alcohol in france?
[11:17] <jpatrick> nothing about kitten tho
[11:17] <seaLne> special breathalizers that ignore wine :)
[11:18] <\sh> wine is staple food in france
[11:18] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: I was told everytime I did that a kitten died!!
[11:18] <jpatrick> -> what?
[11:19] <kwwii> dude, no shit on this one...where I live in Germany, beer is not alcohol
[11:19] <DaSkreech> >_>
[11:19] <DaSkreech> <_<
[11:19] <seaLne> heh
[11:20] <\sh> kwwii: which is true...beer is no alcohol...cheers ;()
[11:20] <seaLne> local shop has nice range of non crap beer
[11:20] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Would you happen to know about Strigi?
[11:21] <seaLne> having schofferhofer just now tho that may be consider bad in germany? its fancy here
[11:21] <kwwii> koelsch is nice
[11:21] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: nope :/
[11:22] <kwwii> \sh: koelsch has more than 5% alcohol, or?
[11:22] <\sh> kwwii: depends..some yes others not..it's a blond alt bier
[11:23] <\sh> kwwii: this one has 4.8
[11:23] <seaLne> koelsch is a type of bier?
[11:24] <kwwii> seaLne: yepp, from northern germany
[11:25] <kwwii> I should bring a case of the real bamberger bier specialty...rauchbier
[11:25] <kwwii> if beer is liquic bread, then ruachbier is a liquid ham sandwhich
[11:25] <seaLne> bad for veggies then?
[11:25] <kwwii> s/sandwhich/sandwich
[11:26] <kwwii> no, not in that sense
[11:26] <kwwii> but it is smoked
[11:26] <seaLne> heh :)
[11:26] <kwwii> so it has a definite flavor
[11:26] <seaLne> right
[11:26] <kwwii> the saying goes "you have to drink two or more of them"
[11:27] <seaLne> like cheap wine? :P
[11:27] <kwwii> hehe
[11:27] <seaLne> :)
[11:27] <kwwii> my wifes grandfather (98 this year) drinks a warm rauchbier every day at 10:00am
[11:29] <\sh> lol...a german beer guide hostet in the uk ;)
[11:29] <seaLne> well being in english helps me :)
[11:30] <kwwii> hehe
[11:30] <kwwii> bamberg is very big in bier
[11:31] <kwwii> hehe, that page even mentions bamberg
[11:32] <\sh> the page even mentions frueh koelsch, what I'm drinking right now
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:32] <kwwii> now if we could just get them all to come to a bockbier anstich
[11:33] <\sh> hehe...I had a lot of maibock during the last weeks
[11:33] <kwwii> http://www.bambergbeerguide.com/
[11:34] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/shermannpics/Karlsruhe2006/HappyKadaverDay2006/ or how people are working outside, when office network goes down
[11:34] <\sh> even on Corpus Christi
[11:35] <seaLne> heh
[11:37] <\sh> lol...another nice comment 
[11:37] <\sh> "It's good your back by the way, planet ubuntu was hermann-less without yee."
[11:38] <kwwii> so should I test my printer?
[11:38] <seaLne> cool, i was sad when you temporarily left
[11:38] <kwwii> how much do I hate myself
[11:38] <\sh> seaLne: I promised, I come back...
[11:38] <seaLne> not as much as you hate cups/kde integration?
[11:43] <toma> hi superstoned
[11:43] <superstoned> hi
[11:43] <superstoned> sorry, i have no time...
[11:43] <toma> k
[11:44] <kwwii> well, that failed wonderfully
[11:44] <kwwii> time to reboot into an OS(x) that *can* print
[11:45] <kwwii> brb
[11:45] <\sh> kwwii: maeh
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Parallels?
[11:46] <seaLne> \sh: bah boy its non free :)
[11:47] <kwwii> re
[11:47] <seaLne> wow just noticed rightclicking in knode has an unrot13 option :)
[11:48] <\sh> seaLne: but for some usability stuff it could be nice to see what mac os x is doing ;)
[11:48] <\sh> and I could play WoW natively on mac os x
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Yay Wow!
[11:55] <kwwii> oops, did I say that
[11:55] <kwwii> ?
[11:55] <seaLne> bah :)
[11:57] <\sh> kwwii: this channel is logged...the cia will catch you ;)
[11:58] <kwwii> dude, I *work* for the CIA
[11:58] <\sh> oh fuck...and I told you that I work for /bin/laden
[11:58] <jpatrick> that would explain a lot
[11:58] <jpatrick> \sh: rofl
[11:58] <seaLne> hehe
[11:58] <kwwii> off to guatanemo with you
[11:59] <\sh> nono...I will smoke with bush a cigar, but not guatanemo..nono ;)
[11:59] <\sh> did I say that?
[11:59] <kwwii> clinton was the one with the cigar fetish
[11:59] <\sh> Well, I mean smoke a cigar ...nothing else...I'm not monica
[12:00] <\sh> kwwii: ok...I'll smoke a cigar and doing some "wuff wuff" sound while around bush...he does like dogs right? 
[12:00] <kwwii> yes!
[12:01] <\sh> hehe...bush is living in the wrong country then...in denmark he could even make^h^h^h^hlove to^h^hdogs ;)
[12:02] <\sh> hmmm...bug in konversation...^h handling is wrong
[12:03] <seaLne> seems to affect some MUAs aswell :)
[12:03] <\sh> hehe