=== Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:10] greetz mad [01:11] hi === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:25] hello all, hello troy_s === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-59.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:00] hi all, troy_s :) === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@ip68-227-233-177.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:03] hi adamant1988 [04:03] Hi madpilot :) [04:03] How are you today? [04:06] Madpilot, is there any chance you could assist me in finding a logo I'm looking for? [04:06] possibly - which logo? [04:06] Ippimail [04:06] I want to make a splash/wallpaper themed with the logo, but I can't find a scalable version. [04:07] if there's a decent quality bitmapped version of it, you can use Inkscape's Trace Bitmap function to get a good SVG version [04:08] hrmmm I guess I'll have to... lol... btw Madpilot how long does it take to get a wallpaper submission to be accepted to the Ubuntu art site? [04:09] no idea, I still haven't submitted anything myself :) [04:09] ping here or (better) on the mailing list [04:10] yeah, I submitted a WP I did, I think it's decent nuff to put on the site... [04:10] http://dismalmuse.deviantart.com/ [04:10] it's the ubuntu one of course [04:12] nice [04:13] I'm trying to do an ippimail logo because I support what they're doing. [04:13] erm [04:13] wallpaper [04:16] they're 100% open source email and 45% of their profit goes to charity [04:17] you might want to contact them, see if they've got high quality versions of their logo around [04:19] I might try that companies don't respond to me usually =( [04:28] Madpilot, that idea worked :)I just made a bmp version of the logo and then used inkscape to trace [04:30] cool - Inkscape ftw ;) [04:31] heh === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@ip68-227-233-177.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:53] random Inkscape coolness: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/C152-CGUZR.svg (946k, and apparently it crashes Firefox for some people...) [08:12] adamant, the website won't be accepting many wallpapers until the whole art thing gets sorted... [08:12] the guys who have admin rights have been rather absentee admins. === msikma [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-028-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:22] troy_s: I'm very very sorry [11:22] but i won't be there at the meeting [11:23] I herztlich apologize, but i can't [11:23] i wish you will do some nice decisions :) [11:23] if we have a vote, count one more of your choice as me :P [11:24] or maybe like Frank [11:24] if it differ === lapo [n=bat@host40-67.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:36] hi [11:36] hi lapo [12:03] j #xubuntu [12:03] ehm sorry === Mozo [n=Mozo_@201008195248.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Mozo [n=Mozo_@201008195248.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Fui] === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-213-157-253-211.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-088-068-043-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === neodreams [n=neodream@modemcable198.230-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === cyanescent [n=niel@dslb-088-072-213-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:46] phreaks === andreasn [i=Andreas@t11o907p27.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:07] meeting in one hour, eh? [05:11] back in a hour [05:12] Isn't the meeting supposed to be now? It's 17:00 at GMT +1:00, and the meeting was scheduled for 16:00 GMT. [05:23] no I think it's in 40 minutes: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ [05:23] msikma: it was decided for 16:00 UMT === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:29] hello all [05:29] do i have the wrong time? [05:29] Hi [05:30] 16.00 umt [05:32] sorry UTC [05:32] hehe ... yup [05:40] UMT?? [05:40] Oh [05:41] msikma: you need to register on launchpad... I'm trying to add some suggestions you made on the mailing list [05:41] but I can't add you as the drafter [05:41] I did, but I'm named michiel3 there. [05:41] ok [05:41] thanks [05:41] Neat! Would those be the main page suggestions? [05:42] not yet that far [05:43] I have a progress bar suggestion for gnome [05:43] will get to the latest suggestions last [05:43] 15 minutes [05:45] I am so tired. [05:45] 1:45 AM here :) [05:45] Poor you. [05:45] msikma: still can't find you [05:45] there are half a dozen michiels [05:46] Let me link you [05:46] what is your email on launchpad [05:46] Oh, right, I think I changed my name, or something. https://launchpad.net/people/msikma [05:46] michiel@thingmajig.org === andreasn [i=Andreas@t4o907p8.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:47] thx === Who_ [n=Who@host-137-205-25-013.res.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:54] So, are we about to havce a meeting? [05:55] yes [05:55] yay! [05:55] :) [05:55] have a copy of the agenda ready [05:57] i.e your email, or is there a final one on the wiki [05:57] where can that be found? [05:57] the email [05:57] i'm afraid I may have to be absent every so often - I am visit some friends at Uni and I'm just borrowing a friends laptop! [05:57] andreasn: if you have no access to it i'll find the ML message online [05:58] fair enough [05:58] just a moment then [05:58] what is the topic of the e-mail? [05:58] [ubuntu-art] Meeting agenda for Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:59] "Meeting agenda for Saturday June 17, 16:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-meeting" [05:59] ah, found it [05:59] The space after the UTC, seems to be a tab... or am I mistaken? [05:59] andreasn: could you link it here? [05:59] msikma: space, iirc [06:00] It's supposed to be a space. [06:00] klepas, oh, it was in my mail box [06:00] but I'll locate it in the archives [06:00] ah, k [06:00] i'll find the online version then for Who_ [06:00] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-June/002107.html [06:01] all right [06:01] evening / morning / night everybody [06:01] hi sabdfl [06:01] thanks msikma :) [06:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-June/002108.html [06:01] shall we proceed to #ubuntu-meeting or wait a few more minutes? [06:01] Yeah, that one's better, the first wasn't available as text. [06:02] yea, it was a html message [06:02] to #ubuntu-meeting [06:02] sorry about that [06:02] off we go === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-042-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:50] Et! === klepas sighs [07:50] it be 3:50 AM now here [07:50] klepas [07:50] good job klepas :) [07:50] I forgot [07:50] before you left [07:50] leave [07:50] Madpilot showed some interest in the wiki. [07:50] ah, cool [07:50] And I think he would be terrific if he can find time. [07:50] i'll chase him up on it [07:51] troy_s: you were saying something interesting back in the other channel about ubuntu-art and gnome-look.... [07:51] during the course of the meeting i had to squash two spiders that were crawling around on my desk... ugh [07:51] klepas: Time to move :) [07:51] klepas: squash them! why? [07:51] Who_: In hindsight, I 2nd Who_. [07:52] if you kill spiders it's going to rain [07:52] didn't you know that ;) [07:52] troy_s: What shall I do about it? [07:52] Who_: because they were large, and resembled white-tails... which give nasty bites [07:52] It rains here all the damn time... I don't know if means we kill a lot of spiders. [07:52] Who_: Um I was saying that I think we need a Content Management System. The AUC is based on early gnome work i think. [07:52] some Australian spiders are rather poisonous... deadly even [07:52] klepas: ahh, I forgot you live in AU. I went back to NZ in January there (childhood home) and they are just suffering with white-tails [07:53] AUC is based on gnome artwork [07:53] Is it Diku the other CMS that is good? [07:53] as in art.gnome.org [07:53] what is sucky about the current auc? [07:53] so as people seemed to agree we can use it as a 'net' to catch and focus new contributors - what actions should we take to go about making it happen? [07:53] i thought a while back that perhaps gnome-look/kde-look's CMS would be good [07:53] styled differently, of course [07:53] Hello all ! [07:53] but it is proprietary [07:53] so what ? [07:53] was the meeting good ? [07:53] andreasn: Admin features and structure really. [07:53] and they were not willing to share it [07:54] i saw a lot of spec ! [07:54] nice ! [07:54] :D === bersace is now known as bersace|diner [07:54] bersace: Thank neil for that. [07:54] bersace: useful - big changes to leadership - Mark will mail the group [07:54] troy_s, could it be fixed in collaboration with thos, or does it need to be thrown away? [07:54] andreasn: who is thos? [07:54] Thomas Wood [07:54] andreasn: I suggest that perhaps an existing CMS might serve better. They are very good now and mature. [07:54] :P Doesn't help me much... [07:55] andreasn: And opensource... === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:55] Who_, he is the guy behind art.gnome.org [07:55] isn't art.gnome.org's cms opensource? [07:55] Who_, thos is a regular gnome devel [07:56] I think he maintains gnome-themes [07:56] andreasn: Thanks :) [07:56] Given that AFAIK auc's CMS is identical to the one that runs every other official ubuntu site, and an Ubuntu/Canonical person will be sys-adminning it for us, we might as well just run with the standard CMS, because it's already there... [07:56] Who_: yes, written in Ruby [07:56] if we get another CMS its going to make admin even more of a nightmare tho [07:56] I think that either the theme leaders or the leadership team should also be admins on auc - that would give them good harvesting potential [07:56] we're already bogged down in it... why more ? [07:57] yea, I see no need for a new one... [07:57] but I haven't tried t administer the current ;) [07:57] Who_: There are a bunch of very good CMS out there. [07:57] ah... sorry off topic [07:57] cyan: Not another, replace current I think is the idea. [07:58] cyan: Or at least look at possiblity. [07:58] I need to go now [07:58] alright, that is it for me [07:58] almost 4 AM [07:58] any of you guys going to guadec? [07:58] have a lovely day folks [07:58] andreasn: if i could afford it :( [07:58] klepas, you too [07:58] night klepas [07:58] nope, but have fun :) === klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz [07:59] bye all [07:59] REplace AUC-.... hmm, what'll we use it for ? it seems good at getting new people from the forums interested in contributing [07:59] we really need those new people to get into the ML [07:59] cyanescent: I was merely thinking of a place where immutable stuffs exists... [08:00] cyanescent: If you could lock certain wiki pages (aka bersace/klepas/madpilot) it wouldn't be an issue. [08:00] perhaps we should look into that instead. [08:00] troy_s: ah I see your point. .. Can't we do something about that on the current wiki ? [08:00] ditto [08:00] I don't thinik the wiki is a good place for people to submit artwork [08:00] sorry [08:01] Who_: If we had an incoming, i think it might be ok. [08:01] access control is doable w/ the new version of MoinMoin, apparently - wiki.u.c hasn't upgraded yet [08:01] Who_: Assuming we can limit the submissions to strict guidelines. [08:01] Madpilot: someone shoudl get on their case then [08:01] madpilot: That would solve all. [08:01] hehe [08:01] Henrik Omma is the guy. [08:01] I think a structure more like auc where people can comment on te work of others is great - everyone loves feednback! [08:01] Henrik is it, and he's insanely busy from all reports :) [08:01] Who_: Yes, and a wiki allows for that too. [08:02] but not in the same organised way that gnome-look, for example does [08:02] also - the ongoing 'getting the forum people involved' problem - that's an issue all through Ubuntu, not just artteam's [08:03] I'm pretty sure gnome-look gets a lot more traffic than AUC [08:03] who_: agree... but perhaps Neil is correct... [08:03] cyanescent: for sure! [08:03] simplicity might be a great place to start -- limit our tools to the three [08:03] adn build out as need arises... [08:03] as in, mailing list, launchpad, wiki [08:03] If we integrate the wiki and AUC then we can get more people interested [08:03] can we do that? [08:03] all of our needs are accomodated there no? [08:03] cyanescent: I believe klepas and such are going to deal with a post at AUC [08:04] i would, but i don't know the means behind the mysql db. [08:04] there's already a forum for Ubuntu Art - we should get a sticky post there about this team [08:04] and my shell access only permits that sort of thing. [08:04] I thinkn bringing in huge numbers of people to the artwork team wiki is a sure fire recipe for disorganisation! [08:04] Madpilot: 2nd that. [08:04] troy_s: that's a start... but we can lay plans to move one ontop of the other [08:04] who_: Yes... but not with structure. [08:04] who_: we need folks who can do perhaps only a single icon coloring etc... [08:04] or maybe it's just too much work for now [08:04] who_: but again, structure is the key. [08:05] cyanescent: Yep. keep it simple. [08:05] troy_s: yea, it would be fine if we could compell people to stick to any structure. i'm not sure we can on a wiki [08:05] Who_: Once we have the wiki properly documented, you can really get random artists doing a good job [08:06] agree 100 with neil on that. [08:06] :) I'll watch and learn this release cycle then [08:06] proper structure and documentation. [08:06] (not to for artwork - for wiki structre...) [08:06] well i agree with you who, the underlying manifesto/structure needs to be locked: that's a no brainer [08:07] who: all i am suggesting is that if we expand too many tools that do the same sorts of things, then we end up with neglected information channels. [08:07] it's just gnome-look.org gets around 4 or 5 ubuntu based submissions a day - can a wiki accomodate that? [08:07] No. But only 'on topic' submissions I am speaking of. [08:08] As in "we are currently seeking submissions for xxx. Please submit a greyscale 256 color image of your pencil based sketches at 640x480. [08:08] troy_s: yea, I agree that too many tools is really not great... so keeping to just three works for me for now :) [08:08] with me? [08:08] troy_s: yea, wiki can work well for that [08:08] it makes indexing and sorting far superior... further with a slush incoming dir, et and pas / mad can manage. [08:09] if it goes EVERYEWHERE, its a nightmare. [08:09] but I have a feeling we will 'catch' more artists if we allowed them to submit whatever they wanted when they wanted, and held 'competitions' for individual things... [08:09] yeah, that idea of harvesting... pretty sure we can contact many on gnome-look easily. [08:09] because it is harder for a community to develop around such highly targetted submission [08:09] s [08:09] Who_, the wiki could easily handle 4-5 submissions of anything a day - check RecentChanges sometime to see how busy it is currently [08:10] Who_: yes, but quality is a big thing with art [08:10] Who: Yes, but for what we need, we need specific components to finish Ubuntu's look / feel off. So that is just the way it goes. [08:10] Who_, I also agree 100% on 'catching' artists & interested folks [08:10] okay :) I feel like I agree with you all on most things and am left arguing more for the sake if it now! bad habbit [08:10] we can't just have rubbish to put into ubuntu [08:10] Who: Submitting is one thing, but you really need to work on prototypes with different compositions, hues, etc... then polish a given choice (meaning the whole team) [08:11] cyanescent: 2nd! === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-213-157-253-211.dynamic.amis.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [08:11] Who_: Lol. [08:11] Who_: Devil's advocate is healthy. [08:11] i encourage conflict in most creative areas, but you need to be mature enough to know when it is just destructive. I don't think yours was at all. [08:11] troy_s: agreed, but like I said, not as organic as auc could be [08:12] yea, ok. but I'll stop here - we seem to be at a good conlusion point :) [08:12] i think harvesting is great for ideas though [08:12] "We'll accept anything, but we're *really* looking for " is better and friendlier than "Sorry, this week we're *only* accepting stuff related to - come back next week." [08:12] great starting point to get our wallpaper directions, splashes, etc. [08:13] Mad: I was thinking more about specs with attached wiki -- everything develops in unison with deadlines stated. [08:13] yea, we can just harvest gnome-look.org [08:13] Mad: Via launchpad etc. [08:13] troy_s : miksikma wanted his ubuntu website posts on the ML to be put up on Launchpad -- is it relevant ? [08:13] however, perhaps as it is not proprietry we should consider suggesting using art.gnome.org as 'field' to 'harvest' from (oh dear :P) [08:14] Not sure if we're responsible for that area.... so [08:14] wanted to find out from a "higher" authority [08:14] hehe [08:15] i am not higher. [08:15] but i think you all can make up your minds on it. [08:15] ok, will put it up then [08:16] I think they can go there but I think perhaps it will not make much difference to what happens [08:16] I think the specs need to be decided... Some will be struck [08:16] a mail to Henrik could be more fruitful... [08:16] If they are all there, we can post to the mailing list with polls, then be done with it once and for all. [08:16] with me? [08:16] Henrik is damn busy -- we need to pick up slack. [08:16] ah... makes sense [08:17] And, to make matters more bonkers, he is handicapped -- so I can't imagine how much effort doing Ubuntu takes. [08:17] troy_s: true. Maybe then some code to Henrik? [08:17] Who: Regarding what? [08:17] that he is very busy [08:17] Code for what sorry? [08:18] what I mean is - if we want the website to look different then the person who can do it is Henrik, if Henrik is busy and can't do it then our only way of getting it to look different is to submit some html, css, whatever is needed so he doesn't have to write it, then he can choose what to do [08:19] that isn't very clear, but I think you can get the jist - Henrik is the only one who can _change_ the look of the site [08:19] If people have problems with the look and feel of the website, they should feel free to submit... but until some structure is given for submitting (as in what henrik needs etc) i don't know how effective it will be. [08:20] I would say that once we eat a lot of what is on our plate, we can assume greater roles in other areas... [08:20] yea, totally agree! [08:20] Henrik tends to go with what is out there.. .meaning if we get on line with the cd sleeves etc, he will automatically make the default website look accordingly (as you can tell now) [08:20] that's what I was trying to say in the meeting [08:20] which is terrific. [08:20] When we get our commander in chief or whatever hes called, he'll be able to email henrik with authority on the matter [08:20] well then i would say we have a meeting of minds on that sort of thing :) [08:20] :) [08:21] henrik is amazingly responsive... try him in person. This is all about relationshipt. [08:21] ships even. [08:21] and with that I will leave! I'm not even on my own PC and am visiting friends! [08:21] (very understanding friends :P) [08:22] yea, I found him very responsive.... [08:22] Thanks for trying to make it... we are all damn busy unfortunately. [08:23] yea! I'm not trying to say my circumstance is exceptional! hell, my life is not realy that busy at all this year (gap year with 12 month contract) [08:24] talk to you all soon [08:24] bye [08:25] bye Who_ [08:28] cyan, yea i think i'll setup polls on them all once you have them itemized. [08:28] could take hours, but worth it... === Who_ [n=Who@host-137-205-25-013.res.warwick.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [08:31] I was actually hoping some of that would have been decided by the meeting, instead of the chat on hierarchy and communication [08:31] cyan: We sort of did... Launchpad is the place. [08:32] cyan: Which means that once we have them there, we can mailing list for approval, then poll for our finite targets. That is about 1000x more structurally sound than the process has been up to this point. [08:32] I agree. [08:33] It will also look very different once we have a hierarchy [08:33] which will be i guess in 2 weeks [08:33] Once we have targets, we can then work on the actual design part -- motifs, thematics, etc. [08:33] then work to mock ups with compositional variants === YannDinendal [n=Yann@ipy.aurore.u-psud.fr] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:33] etc. [08:33] i would say one week [08:33] paris is the starting point. [08:34] cyan, if you can keep up your launchpad use, i am pretty sure the rest of the folks would nominate you to admin if we need. [08:34] launchpad knoweldge needs to expand. [08:34] for everyone to use it effectively. [08:34] that would be nice =) ... not sure they'd agree I'vebeen around long enough [08:35] cyan: realistically, this is a clean slate. [08:35] cyan: trying to build on what we have (human, etc) [08:35] cyan: and documentation etc... [08:35] the rest can be sorted bout by chatting with sabdfl for exact details on a given particular area to make sure he blesses it papally. [08:36] well it seems human is on someone else... --- does the outcontractor actually post on the ML ? [08:36] /tell cyanescent If the truth be noted, I suggested much of this two months ago in the design doc, but no one bothers to read the stuff that other's do. That's why i very much appreciated your work. [08:36] laf. [08:36] there you go. [08:37] thanks... you have blessed me much =) [08:37] transparency is key [08:37] we can't have everyone factioning. [08:37] we need to keep to our goal.s [08:38] afterall factioning destroyed the romans [08:38] hehe [08:38] that was my main issue with irc. [08:38] it gets to be a little un-democratic. [08:38] right it seems everything has petered out [08:38] yes very [08:39] I don't remember using IRC except when I was 12 [08:39] I have an unfamiliar Italian keyb too .-/ [08:39] see waht I mean [08:41] yep [08:41] /tell cyanescent don't tell anyone you are italian. [08:41] there's no such thing as a perfect communication solution; IRC is better than some [08:41] i agree. [08:41] it works wonders for trying to brainstorm certainly. [08:42] hey mad, do you think you can do that wiki stuffs? [08:42] not italian... I am luxembourgish -- my main laptop is broke [08:42] laf. [08:42] guess that's worse heh [08:42] keyboards scare me. [08:44] troy_s, which wiki stuff? [08:46] the restructuring... klepas and bersace point it, but i said that you showed some interest. [08:49] to be honest, I'm happy to leave the wiki alone - random restructuring with no actual content to move around is fairly pointless [08:51] Right now, the content is primarily how to get involved, with outlines for posting to the mailing list. [08:51] etc. [08:51] It will grow, but without having some flow, the growth is like a weed. [08:52] I've always been inclined to let these things grow with minimal structure, and prune as it gets larger. That's why all this endless fussing with our wiki pages has been bugging me [08:53] I tend to agree, but the wiki was so dismal that no one knew where to go for information. At least that has changed etc. [08:53] I think the idea is to prune it down to the bare minimum etc. [08:53] With template based additions. [08:54] yes - like you said, "how to get involved" and "how to contact the ML/IRC etc" is good. The rest came come as the content justifies it [08:55] Actually, I suppose we are going to need a subsection for Launchpad links, because Launchpad requires wiki entries for each spec. [08:55] yes [08:56] cyanescent: You can't mirror links can you on launchpad -- I think i tried it. [08:56] well... yes with a bit of a hack [08:56] we have most of them pointing to the archives [08:57] if there's a duplicate, I just add a ?subject=somehtingorrather [08:57] to the end, and it seems to work [08:57] When you have done your effort, do you think you could update that Launchpad Howto at the wiki with any more information you can glean? [08:57] Ahh... and the html still parses effectively? [08:57] sure... [08:57] Clever. [08:57] Very clever. [08:57] yepo [08:58] Frank's document is very good... hopefully we can bang it out further in Paris. [08:59] I don't think it got wiki'd yet... I should email frank. [09:17] ello all === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089EF39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:30] greetings [09:30] troy I finally got my pattern to work ^_^ [09:30] nice! [09:30] it turns out there was a script fu option for it [09:30] adamant: i was going to write you a script that would automate that open window collapse layers thing for a hotkey so you could do a temp layers adjustement. [09:31] adamant: awsome. [09:31] yeah you want to see what I made? [09:31] the scripts in gimp are damn powerful. [09:31] sure... you have it on deviant? [09:31] no I'm not sure if I can legally post it [09:31] I used the ippimail logo. [09:32] hrm... you have a private site? or gnome-look post? [09:32] makes it eas. [09:32] easy even. [09:32] I have an image shack that I use [09:32]