[12:18] <ploum> good night everyone
[12:18] <ploum> I'm sorry for the planet flood...
[12:18] <Anarchy> can someone point me to the documentation you all used for reversing the key press on laptop with vol up/down keys ... I know these keys are not handled by acpi 
[12:20] <Keybuk> Keyboard Shortcut references in GNOME
[12:21] <Anarchy> After clearing out the Gnome key config and running xev, I have discovered that in Ubuntu, the key events are sent in the proper order! 
[12:41] <zul> Keybuk: there is a rgression in the latest dapper upload for the kernel. #50031
[12:42] <mdke> zul: crimsun_ said that he'd nailed it down and had got a fix
[12:42] <zul> yeah i know
[12:43] <mdke> ah
[12:43] <zul> i been talking to him ;)
[12:43] <dem> out of curioustity what language is lauchpad/roseta writen in?
[12:44] <mdke> dem: python. Find out more at #launchpad 
[01:13] <theine> Sorry for triple posting on bug #50031. As much as I enjoy spamming people -- this was not intended. I just hit "Reload" a couple of times.
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50031 in linux-source-2.6.15 "[regression]  Resume is broken with 2.6.15-25" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50031
[01:15] <crimsun_> known, compiling to test a fix
[01:17] <dem> i can conform that for a z61t
[01:29] <dAndy> does anyone know anything about Bug #48918? This is a big bug for my organization, we want to load about 40 boxes next week, and we would like them to have root passwords
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48918 in kickseed "shadow passwords not enabled (no rootpw)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48918
[01:35] <theine> dAndy: If it isn't fixed until next week, may I suggest to run a script that runs shadowconfig on all boxes via ssh?
[02:19] <stuNNed> i need newer glibc for gnomad2 project is this possible w/dapper or do i *have* to run unstable?
[02:20] <tseng> i have never heard of a simple user land app that requires a newer glibc
[02:21] <tseng> and "no"
[02:23] <stuNNed> tseng: let me check, maybe i'm wrong.  and doesn't mono rely on esd?  if it does.  that's really stupid imho.  i've killed esd and muine freezes sometimes.  you might want to disable esd code in muine and steal from mpg321 or something, i dont' know.
[02:23] <tseng> ...?
[02:24] <tseng> muine uses gstreamer
[02:24] <tseng> gstreamer can use esd, oss, also
[02:24] <tseng> *alsa
[02:24] <tseng> polyp
[02:24] <tseng> whatever.
[02:25] <jdub> pulse!
[02:26] <tseng> are you sure you mean glibc and not glib?
[02:28] <stuNNed> well why when i disable esd mono fannooks?
[02:28] <stuNNed> i mean muine...
[02:28] <Keybuk> jdong: what's pulse?
[02:28] <tseng> because you have gstreamer setup to play to esd
[02:28] <Keybuk> meh
[02:28] <Keybuk> jdub: what's pulse?
[02:28] <tseng> Keybuk: polypaudio
[02:30] <Keybuk> new name?
[02:30] <Keybuk> or fork?
[02:31] <tseng> new name
[02:31] <Keybuk> ahh
[02:32] <jdub> much better new name :)
[02:34] <makko> what is the url to the gmane newsgroup which anounce updates and their reasons (i want to use is instead of update-manager, which almost never shows anything)?
[02:34] <makko> anounces
[02:35] <_ion> You can use apt-listchanges
[02:45] <jdub> Keybuk: hey, got any gnome issues you want seb, daniel and i to touch on at guadec?
[02:45] <jdub> Keybuk: gathering a list for us to work on
[02:46] <Keybuk> I'd like session management to not suck
[02:47] <jdub> adding
[02:47] <Keybuk> I still think Log out/Switch user/etc. should all be replaced by one thing that lets you log on as another user
[02:48] <Keybuk> it may choose to save your session and end your apps after a while, or immediately, depending on resources
[02:53] <jdub> Keybuk: anythign else?
[02:53] <jdub> hold on, i'll save this page os you can see what i have
[02:55] <jdub> Keybuk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffWaugh/Guadec2006
[02:56] <Keybuk> I'd still like to see Applets and NIcons become one
[02:56] <Keybuk> with the panel as one bit NTray
[02:56] <_ion> "telepathy/galago: Ready for desktop use in edgy timeframe?"
[02:56] <Keybuk> - state of evolution; is anyone going to bother maintaining it?
[02:56] <_ion> That would rule.
[02:58] <jdub> Keybuk: evo - good
[02:58] <Keybuk> you already have epiphany on there -- my one ffox killer feature btw, is being able to bookmark a set of web pages and open them all at once
[02:58] <jdub> yeah
[02:58] <Keybuk> not to mention various extensions
[02:59] <Keybuk> LP would be unusable if it weren't for linky and stylish
[02:59] <jdub> oh, reminds me - bug-buddy/launchpad/etc
[03:00] <Keybuk> more avahi!
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this folder" => some kind of avahi share, not samba
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this calendar"
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this document"
[03:01] <Keybuk> "Share this playlist" (I think this works now, no?)
[03:01] <Keybuk> avahi chat sessions
[03:01] <Keybuk> avahi tomboy!
[03:03] <Keybuk> guadec is after ufk, right?
[03:04] <ajmitch> 'share these photos' => f-spot & DPAP support hacked in
[03:04] <Keybuk> ship some bloody mono apps in gnome desktop
[03:04] <Keybuk> (like tomboy) :p
[03:04] <ajmitch> must get it in desktop seed
[03:10] <jdub> i've added a suggestions section
[03:10] <jdub> please add
[03:17] <NthDegree> will reiser4 go in edgy?
[03:42] <Lathiat> woo avahi :)
[03:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: smelly thing, who would ever want to use it? :)
[03:42] <Lathiat> you!
[03:43] <ajmitch> well, yes
[04:18] <LaserJock> why not make jdub switch ;-)
[04:19] <LaserJock> or rock-paper-scissors for it
[04:19] <jdong> I figure he has seniority around here :)
[04:19] <jdong> lol
[04:22] <Hobbsee> haha.  rock paper scissors for it could be fun
[05:24] <stuNNed> ok what's this: ****** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x103bf268 ***
[05:26] <stuNNed> debian mess?
[05:27] <tadpole> stuNNed: where do you see it?
[05:29] <stuNNed> starting latest stable gnomad2
[05:29] <stuNNed> marked by gnomad2 devs
[05:30] <stuNNed> is there a quick fix?  as i'm at a coffee shop and they are about to close and there is no network at my apartment
[05:31] <tadpole> probably not without re-compiling.
[05:31] <tadpole> does a backtrace tell you anything useful?
[05:32] <stuNNed> welp, malone's search feature and algorithm could be simplified and improved...
[05:32] <stuNNed> use gdb?  i've been out of it for a few...
[05:33] <tadpole> yeah. but it will probably be useless unless you re-compile gnomad2 with debugging symbols.
[05:34] <stuNNed> ok so that i will do tonight i will recompile gnomad2 w/debugging turned on and report back tomorrow, that fine?
[05:34] <stuNNed> i gotta go they are closing
[05:34] <tadpole> sure.
[05:34] <stuNNed> i will see you asap
[05:34] <tadpole> good luck.
[05:35] <stuNNed> thanks hopefully will get this creative zen microphoto working w/mp3 support have to use libmtp for it, so revenge it is! see you guys, be good.
[10:45] <asac> iwj: you found time to redo the patch from the real checkins? I have finished extracting suite patches, so I can invest some time on this issue again.
[11:04] <sivang> morning all
[11:18] <stc> hello
[11:18] <Toma-> Would this be considered a worthy bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15853
[11:21] <stc> i have this bug: Xgl http://pastebin.com/714455
[11:22] <siretart> morning.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> hey siretart 
[11:23] <siretart> stc: Toma-: please read the topic. please use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug for reporting bugs
[11:23] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee 
[11:23] <Toma-> doing so now... just dont like fileing bugs that arnt really bugs :(
[11:24] <Toma-> and wether it should be filed under sane or udev
[11:25] <siretart> Toma-: then use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addticket to file a support request. it can be upgraded as a bug if necessary
[11:25] <Toma-> ahhh thanks ;)
[11:30] <Toma-> filed and waiting. thanks again!
[12:01] <nomed> hi all
[12:01] <nomed> Mithrandir, around ?
[12:02] <imbrandon> most are probbly on flights on preparing for flights to paris
[12:04] <nomed> ops true
[12:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:06] <highvoltage> mdz: hi there, are you around?
[04:32] <rddp> are the voip sessions at Paris going to be recorded and availiable later, or only in real time?
[04:33] <\sh> voip sessions?
[04:33] <\sh> there is _no_ video casting? ;)
[04:33] <Keybuk> rddp: both
[04:34] <Keybuk> they will be available realtime and recorded
[04:34] <rddp> Keybuk,  great, thanks
[04:35] <\sh> Keybuk: tell me more about it...voip? ekiga, or something else?
[04:47] <Keybuk> \sh: we'll be using TeamSpeak
[04:47] <\sh> Keybuk: not really, no?
[04:47] <Keybuk> \sh: yes
[04:49] <\sh> then I need to install teamspeak...oh joy :)
[04:50] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:50] <Keybuk> easy enough, just download the tarball from their website
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and mangle your sound settings a bit, usually
[04:51] <\sh> Keybuk: I was using it in the past with windows..and it was difficult to understand the people when 5 people are breathing and didn't adjust their mics
[04:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's not so bad when people use push to talk - some of us were testing it out earlier
[04:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: push to talk is quite useless, when you are playing mmorpg ;) and there is no key combination left to use ;)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> \sh: well, that's true :P  but you're hardly playing mmorpg in meetings, now are you \sh?  actually, dont answer that :P
[04:54] <\sh> Hobbsee: well...I used gobby and kate during the bofs at ubz..no mmorpg though ;)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:30] <Keybuk> hey sab
[05:41] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:41] <Chipzz> edgy libc6 appears to break locales...
[05:41] <Chipzz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 35, in ?
[05:41] <Chipzz>     import apt_listchanges
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/lib/site-python/apt_listchanges.py", line 25, in ?
[05:41] <Chipzz>     locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,'')
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/locale.py", line 381, in setlocale
[05:41] <Chipzz>     return _setlocale(category, locale)
[05:41] <Chipzz> locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
[05:44] <fabbione> Chipzz: thanks for reporting another duplicate :)
[05:44] <fabbione> that was known even before uploading the new glibc to edgy 
[05:52] <mdz> fabbione: then why was it uploaded?
[05:52] <fabbione> mdz: required to bootstrap the toolchain for edgy
[05:52] <fabbione> it's not a critical bug even tho very annoying
[05:52] <mdz> fabbione: what I meant was, why wasn't the bug fixed first if it was known?
[05:53] <mdz> it breaks the installation of some other packages
[05:53] <mdz> it causes a number of programs to fail to run
[05:53] <fabbione> mdz: I think Jeff didn't manage to find the problem
[05:54] <Chipzz> fabbione: that's just apt-listchanges; perl also borks out
[05:54] <fabbione> Chipzz: they are warnings, not fatal errors
[05:54] <mdz> python programs in general are broken by this
[05:54] <fabbione> atleast for perl
[05:54] <Chipzz> fabbione: they most definately are fatal
[05:54] <mdz> perl only warns
[05:54] <Chipzz> for python that is
[05:54] <mdz> postgresql explodes
[05:54] <fabbione> well don't run python apps :P
[05:54] <fabbione> it's edgy
[05:55] <fabbione> it's meant to be broken at the very first opening
[05:55] <Chipzz> I wasn't expecting a fix or anything; just reporting
[05:55] <mdz> fabbione: there is a difference between finding bugs and uploading known broken packages
[05:55] <Chipzz> I know not to expect support for edgy
[05:55] <Chipzz> :)
[05:55] <fabbione> Chipzz: then please do it properly via malone :)
[05:56] <Chipzz> I *do* suspect my system not to be booting at the next reboot though :P
[05:56] <fabbione> mdz: yes i am aware of that. There is also the balance between being able to open a new release or stall it 100%.
[05:56] <Chipzz> udev postinst borked out too :P
[05:56] <phanatic> mdz: i have uploaded a debdiff for a bug (sysinfo in universe). i was told to ping you about -updates upload... (bug 47671)
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47671 in sysinfo "Data in Hardware and USB tab truncated" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47671
[05:57] <mdz> phanatic: the changelog needs s/dapper/dapper-updates/
[05:58] <phanatic> mdz: okay, i'll upload a new debdiff then. shall i assign the bug to you?
[05:58] <mdz> phanatic: and please describe your changes in the changelog; not only "fix another issue"
[05:58] <phanatic> mdz: thanks, i'll do it
[05:58] <mdz> phanatic: code changes look fine, just update the changelog and go ahead
[05:59] <phanatic> mdz: i don't have upload rights. shall i ask a motu to do that for me?
[05:59] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:59] <mdz> phanatic: yes
[06:00] <phanatic> mdz: thanks for your help
[06:00] <mdz> phanatic: np
[06:00] <Chipzz> launchpad reports latest version of udev as 093-0ubuntu2
[06:00] <\sh> it's FTB...because of broken deps
[06:00] <Chipzz> just did an apt-get update ; apt-get install udev 1 minute ago; I'm still getting 093-0ubuntu1 ?
[06:00] <\sh> debhelper, po-debconf and further down the road of deps
[06:00] <fabbione> Chipzz: yes, that's supposed to fix the postinst, but it might not be wise to reboot ... just yet ;)
[06:01] <Chipzz> and yes, I *am* using the main mirror so I should be getting it...
[06:01] <Chipzz> ?
[06:01] <\sh> it's just not build, that's why a debootstrap or pbuilder run for creating edgy chroots just breaks right now
[06:02] <Chipzz> \sh: hrrm didn't read your comment about FTB
[06:02] <Chipzz> :P
[06:02] <\sh> Chipzz: Builds of udev - 093-0ubuntu2: all failed
[06:02] <mdz> I uploaded an intltool-debian yesterday which should have unblocked that chain
[06:02] <\sh> so there is a source package but no binary
[06:02] <mdz> at the time, the publisher was on manual due to keybuk doing synsc
[06:02] <mdz> syncs
[06:03] <Chipzz> hrrrm :P
[06:03] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, but your upload failed to build
[06:03] <Chipzz> this could get nasty due to this being a laptop and not being able to suspend ;P
[06:04] <Keybuk> mdz: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3080430/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.intltool-debian_0.34.2%2B20060512ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:04] <Keybuk> amusingly it failed to build because of the bug the upload was supposed to fix
[06:04] <dem> anyone here from the kernel team?
[06:04] <Chipzz> dem: try #ubuntu-kernel ?
[06:04] <fabbione> dem: -> #ubuntu-kernel
[06:04] <dem> okay thx bro
[06:05] <mdz> Keybuk: sweet
[06:06] <Keybuk> mdz: TEAM INFINITY will deal with that
[06:06] <Chipzz> who needs translations anyway :P
[06:07] <\sh> sounds like "we install this package into chroot to fix bug" 
[06:10] <ogra> Keybuk, is that the new name of the X SWAT ?
[06:11] <siretart> Keybuk: can you approve uploads to dapper-updates, or does every upload has to go via mdz?
[06:12] <siretart> ah, mdz is around as well
[06:12] <mdz> s/mdz/ubuntu-release/
[06:12] <ogra> ubuntu-release isnt around, no
[06:13] <ogra> :P
[06:13] <siretart> oh. I see
[06:13] <Keybuk> ubuntu-release have to approve uploads and cc ubuntu-archive to actually process them
[06:13] <siretart> anyway, may I upload this patch: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3084606/a ? it for fixing malone #40613
[06:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40613 in pbuilder "pbuilder expects debootstrap, gets cdebootstrap" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40613
[06:13] <siretart> fixed in edgy, btw
[06:40] <desrt> i am weak.
[06:41] <Keybuk> bit late aren't you?
[06:41] <Keybuk> some of us have been using it for a week!
[06:41] <desrt> i was trying to not do it
[06:41] <desrt> saying "oh... it'll only be 4 short months"
[06:41] <desrt> but seriously... when you're sitting at home on a saturday morning with nothing better to do, ...
[06:42] <Keybuk> plenty of things for a boy to do on a saturday morning when all alone
[06:42] <Keybuk> children's TV, for example
[06:42] <Keybuk> there's no lrm for the new kernel yet
[06:42] <desrt> eeg.
[06:42] <desrt> my laptop = madwifi-ng
[06:42] <desrt> my desktop = nvidia
[06:45] <desrt> dapper itself has been sort of upgrade-happy....
[07:48] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[07:48] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[07:48] <ogra> sbalneav, i just bought a 19" LCD ;)
[07:49] <ogra> i'll bring it 
[07:49] <sbalneav> Hey, just sitting in the airport in minneapolis, getting ready for the overnight flight to Paris.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Cool.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Made a couple of changes to the thin client spec.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Added in the avahi, and a couple of other notes.
[07:50] <ogra> great
[07:50] <sbalneav> Guess you're just hopping a train?
[07:50] <ogra> nope, i go by car
[07:50] <sbalneav> Ah, nice!  How long's the drive?
[07:50] <ogra> i'll start tomorrow around 8
[07:50] <ogra> 4-5h drive
[07:50] <sbalneav> sweet.
[07:50] <ogra> so i should be there around noon
[07:51] <ogra> its 500km only but france has speed limits :) else i'd be much faster 
[07:51] <sbalneav> We thought about driving, but couldn't get a snorkel long enough for my toyota :)
[07:51] <ogra> loool
[07:52] <ogra> just get some monster tires :)
[07:52] <sbalneav> heh
[07:52] <ogra> just like the stnt trucks :)
[07:52] <ogra> *stunt
[07:53] <sbalneav> Cool.  We'll be in the country by about 8:30.  We'll proabably spend the day in Paris, then make it back for the 7:00 meeting.  Should be a blast.  Got a cell phone with you?  If you'd like, maybe we can head down to downtown together?
[07:55] <ogra> sbalneav, got the PM ?
[07:55] <sbalneav> err, no
[07:56] <ogra> sbalneav, +49 177 784 74 66
[07:56] <sbalneav> ah, yes I did, sorry
[07:56] <sbalneav> I usually use xchat, but I'm making an effort to use Gaim under dapper.   Tab popped up and I didnt notice. :)
[07:57] <ogra> heh, gaim
[07:57] <sbalneav> jammcq asks if you're bringing the porsche
[07:57] <\sh> lol
[07:57] <ogra> no
[07:58] <ogra> it brings me :)
[07:58] <\sh> ogra: didn't you say at LT you have to fix it, this porsche?
[07:58] <sbalneav> Both jammcq and I are loling
[07:58] <ogra> \sh, sure, but its good enough to drive to paris before
[07:59] <\sh> ogra: hehe...well, I think it's the same driving experience as with amus spider ;)
[07:59] <ogra> \sh, currently i have to concentrate on moving houses after that i can think about disassembling cars ;)
[08:00] <ogra> \sh, not even near, its a hauswife porsche ... not a 400 horsepower monster
[08:00] <\sh> ogra: btw..when you and suse are setteled in the new house, give me a ping, I will do some travelings after the 12th of July
[08:00] <ogra> (but it also doesnt take 25l on 100km)
[08:00] <ogra> \sh, great 
[08:01] <ogra> \sh, our move has to be done by 1st of augunst
[08:01] <\sh> ogra: hmmm... 70 cologne <-> karlsruhe
[08:01] <sbalneav> jammcq and I will give you a call when we arrive.
[08:01] <ogra> sbalneav, great ... i'll likely be just hitting the motorway at that time ...
[08:01] <\sh> ogra: cool...if you need some help, over the weekend I can help you ...:)
[08:02] <ogra> \sh, i'll come back to you with that :)
[08:02] <\sh> ogra: please do :)
[08:02] <sbalneav> We can all hop the train, and go see the eiffel tower, and have a glass of vin on the champ's d'lysee
[08:03] <\sh> lol...and use the stairs to climb up the eiffel tower ,)
[08:03] <sbalneav> err, elysee
[08:03] <\sh> but this we had already ;)
[08:03] <sbalneav> I think I'll take the elevator, thanks :)
[08:04] <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, lets do that :)
[08:05] <ogra> sbalneav, mdz is already there, you might run into him in the hotel
[08:08] <sbalneav> Oh, cool.  sabdfl as well, I assume?  Wonder if he flew or took the chunnel?  We're staying on one extra day (saturday) and taking the chunnel to london for the day! 
[08:08] <ogra> sabdfl was in russia one hour ago ... no idea if he'll be there already tomorrow
[08:09] <ogra> i bet he'll fly canonical 1 tomorrow
[08:10] <\sh> brb
[08:15] <Eleaf> yay~!!~
[08:15] <Eleaf> ;[
[08:22] <\sh> re
[08:25] <stuNNed> hello good folks
[08:25] <stuNNed> at work now but will help debug glibc and latest gnomad2 later today
[08:26] <stuNNed> with latest stable libmtp (not the one mentioned on the gnomad sf.net site) i get an execution error (i think) with gnomad2 and ubuntu stable glibc (dapper)
[08:26] <stuNNed> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x103de1c0 ***
[08:27] <fabbione> that's not a bug in glibc
[08:27] <stuNNed> maybe i should try the libmtp that the gnomad site recommends, doh :)
[08:27] <stuNNed> ok so what might it be? :)
[08:27] <fabbione> glibc is telling you debugging info on the app you are running
[08:27] <fabbione> the app is using a double-linked list
[08:27] <stuNNed> ah i got it
[08:27] <fabbione> and it gets corrupted
[08:28] <fabbione> so glibc, instead of allowing the app to destroy data, it kills the app and tells you what is wrong
[08:28] <stuNNed> i'll try downgrading libmtp and see what happens.  right now i'm working at the local grocer and need to fix a deli sheet
[08:28] <fabbione> what you want to do instead is to gdb the apps with debugging libs
[08:28] <stuNNed> well that is pretty smart :)
[08:28] <fabbione> and see why/where it fails
[08:28] <stuNNed> so ./configure --enable-debbugging will do for prep?
[08:28] <ogra> fabbione, probably it should just pay some money to the app if its corrupt :)
[08:28] <stuNNed> (sp)
[08:29] <fabbione> stuNNed: you want to make sure to build with -ggdb and -O0
[08:29] <fabbione> stuNNed: also for the library
[08:29] <fabbione> and make sure not to strip them
[08:29] <stuNNed> fabbione: right on.  
[08:29] <fabbione> so you can see where it breaks
[08:31] <stuNNed> what i did as per tseng's suggestions was install the deps with apt (apt-get build-src) or something (i don't know the debian system that well) then downloaded gnomad2 from the their dev site and compiled and installed that, is that the right way?
[08:33] <stuNNed> or should i build gnomad2 from a debian repository and not use the source from their dev site.  it probably doesn't matter but i don't know what tweaks might have been thrown in.
[08:34] <stuNNed> i'm sorry an ubuntu one
[08:35] <stuNNed> reading manpage now
[08:40] <stuNNed> a way to build from source with the package manager would be nice imho
[08:40] <stuNNed> not a gcc optimizer but if need be or something
[08:40] <stuNNed> i'm meek so you might now hear my words :D
[08:40] <\sh> stuNNed: pbuilder and chroot are your friends...but this is more a #ubuntu issue
[08:41] <ogra> apt-emerge !
[08:41] <stuNNed> hey!  i give good advice and am a good writer! :D
[08:41] <\sh> apt-emerge _world_
[08:42] <stuNNed> i applied but haven't had time to get the resume together yet :(  just resigned from tulane university new orleans louisiana united states (too much of the *other*)
[08:43] <stuNNed> they put me in policy setting for future computing but their ms future plans were and i think still are too great.  it's a real shame as it's a very high calibre university but i guess we just don't have the local technical expertise to run massive amounts of linux :(
[08:43] <stuNNed> enough of my rant :)
[08:46] <stuNNed> apt-emerge multilateral
[08:47] <stuNNed> when we get *one* which i am trying to expedite it should be `apt-get dist-update multilateral` :D
[08:47] <stuNNed> apt-emerge dist-upgrade multilateral
[08:47] <stuNNed> or whatever :\
[08:47] <stuNNed> 1st for binary, 2nd for source
[08:47] <stuNNed> now let's see those aholes steal that one. do it so we can run the tab up some more :D
[08:59] <stuNNed> fucking bomber ahole
[08:59] <stuNNed> scuze me
[08:59] <stuNNed> sry for foulnesss
[09:01] <sivang> ogra: any idea what sort of plug adaptor we need to france?
[09:01] <desrt> sivang; europlug
[09:01] <sivang> desrt: could toss me a link to how this looks like?
[09:01] <desrt> sivang; for grounding you need the plug that accepts the pin which pokes out
[09:02] <desrt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug
[09:02] <stuNNed> french on the corner last night they were silly like stuck on a dang street corner
[09:03] <Chipzz> yay
[09:03] <Chipzz> firefox in ubuntu--
[09:03] <Chipzz> grmbl
[09:03] <desrt> grounded version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#Type_E_.28French_2-pin.2C_female_earth.29 
[09:03] <Chipzz> just fucked over my session saved by session saver
[09:03] <stuNNed> yeah this deal where canadians don't believe in grounded wires well let me tell ya where i'm at now eh, i need one :D
[09:04] <desrt> ...
[09:04] <sivang> desrt: thanks
[09:04] <stuNNed> desrt: not all canadians just one gentoo dev i know on freenode
[09:04] <stuNNed> sry again but it's saturday :D
[09:04] <desrt> well, as it is
[09:05] <desrt> i am searching high and low for a cord which has a europlug on one end and an apple power adaptor interface on the other
[09:05] <sivang> desrt: the israeli one is just like Type C
[09:05] <\sh> well, what we need is a standard for power plugs somehow...;)
[09:05] <sivang> \sh: indeed
[09:05] <desrt> sivang; not true
[09:05] <desrt> sivang; israel is quite odd
[09:05] <sivang> desrt: you have knowledge of it? do you know where I can get such adaptors ? :)
[09:05] <desrt> "type H" -- This plug, defined in SI 32 (IS16A-R), is unique to Israel and is incompatible with all other sockets.
[09:06] <desrt> you can stick europlugs in some of them though
[09:07] <sivang> desrt: so I can stick the .IL one into the europlug one? :)
[09:08] <desrt> no
[09:08] <desrt> the grounding pin on the israel one gets in the way
[09:08] <jpatrick> because they have 3 pins
[09:08] <desrt> but you can stick europlugs into israeli sockets
[09:09] <sivang> crap :)
[09:09] <raphink> hello there :)
[09:09] <sivang> hey raphink ! 
[09:09] <raphink> we've got a problem with intltool-debian in edgy
[09:09] <raphink> it build-depends on po-debconf, which itself depends on the new intltool-debian to install
[09:09] <raphink> which obviously can't be installed since we want to build it ;)
[09:09] <raphink> so all packages depending on intltool-debian FTBFS
[09:10] <raphink> is someone working on this already?
[09:10] <\sh> raphink: as keybuck already said: TEAM Infinity has to deal with it ;)
[09:10] <raphink> hi sivang
[09:10] <raphink> team infinity?
[09:11] <raphink> :?
[09:11] <raphink> hi sivang btw :)
[09:11] <\sh> raphink: well the problem is known and someone will work on it, let's say on monday 
[09:12] <raphink> ok :)
[09:12] <raphink> looking forward to it :)
[09:12] <\sh> raphink: enjoy the weather :) 
[09:12] <raphink> hehe
[09:12] <\sh> raphink: some beer some wine
[09:12] <raphink> yeah 
[09:12] <raphink> I should do that
[09:14] <raphink> or try to see if there's something to merge that I can do
[09:17] <desrt> sivang; if in your travels to find powercords you should happen upon something....
[09:18] <desrt> sivang; i basically want this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MNEPWREU/
[09:18] <desrt> sivang; but with one of these on the other end: http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/apple-connect.jpeg
[09:21] <Keybuk> desrt: you can get them from Apple stores, no?
[09:21] <Keybuk> or, at least, from Apple
[09:21] <sivang> desrt: The requested URL /item/Other World Computing/MNEPWREU was not found on this server.
[09:22] <desrt> works for me?
[09:22] <sivang> Keybuk: do you happen to accidently have a outlet -> AC adaptor chord that is Type E compatible? 
[09:23] <sivang> Keybuk: (the plug in to the AC adaptor is universal , the chord to the outlet not)
[09:25] <Seveas> For the conference people: please poke me when you know the IP address(es) you'll get so I can poke freenode staff and you won't get K-lined for having a shitload of connections 
[09:36] <Keybuk> sivang: whuh?
[09:36] <Keybuk> I don't have any Europlug cords, if that's what you mean
[09:36] <Keybuk> we use different sockets here
[09:38] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, never mind. Hopefully I'll be able to get an adaptor on the airport :)
[10:58] <KaiL_> hmm, no edgy updates since 2 days?
[11:00] <zul> KaiL_: i think most people are flying to paris right now
[11:00] <KaiL_> ah, yes, forgot 
[11:11] <dieman> I brought a universal electric adpapter and a power strip for us US types
[11:11] <dieman> or people who have US plugs but not euro plugs
[11:11] <dieman> theres a ton of people here tyring to get on this flight though
[11:12] <dieman> i guess another flight to detroit is delayed 2 hours
[11:12] <dieman> or more
[11:28] <desrt> crimsun; ping
[11:33] <crimsun> desrt: pong
[11:33] <desrt> crimsun; hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode...
[11:34] <desrt> (after stalling for about 24 seconds)
[11:34] <desrt> on resume from sleep
[11:34] <crimsun> desrt: with -23.39 or -25.43?
[11:34] <desrt> just wondering if you know anything
[11:34] <desrt> -25
[11:34] <crimsun> ok, -25.43 is all kinds of broken
[11:34] <desrt> seems like a new problem, too
[11:35] <desrt> eep
[11:35] <desrt> anything i can do to help you fix it?
[11:35] <crimsun> I cannot isolate the interaction between ACPI and [just about everything] , so unless you can reproduce it with -23.39 + the sigmatel diff, it will be awkward to troubleshoot
[11:36] <desrt> oh.  acpi is being evil in -25?
[11:36] <crimsun> which is of course problematic, since I think you need a couple patches that are in -25.43 to resume properly?
[11:36] <desrt> well.. i sent those patches
[11:37] <crimsun> right
[11:37] <desrt> i have a patched up -23 for myself
[11:37] <desrt> i think this is a new problem with -25 though
[11:37] <crimsun> does your local -23.desrt exhibit the symptoms?
[11:37] <desrt> no.  don't think so.
[11:37] <desrt> it's only started happening since the upgrade
[11:37] <desrt> it delays my resume by a good 20 seconds so i think i'd have noticed before :)
[11:37] <crimsun> right, a lot of things have become ... interesting as of -25.43
[11:38] <desrt> were there any other patches to hda or only mine?
[11:38] <crimsun> I should add that of course -25.43 isn't broken for everyone; it fixes quite a few issues for a significant number of users
[11:38] <ajmitch> where 'interesting' means broken, i guess
[11:38] <desrt> well, not mine.  but the one you pointed me to and i've been using for ages
[11:39] <\sh> where is -25 anyways...all my repos don't show anything
[11:39] <crimsun> desrt: there was a fix for a race condition, but it wouldn't break your hardware
[11:39] <zul> dapper-security
[11:39] <desrt> \sh; are you sure you have -secuirt and -updates enabled?
[11:39] <\sh> desrt: yes
[11:40] <desrt> do you have linux-686 installed?
[11:40] <\sh> no
[11:40] <\sh> i386
[11:40] <desrt> if you only have linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 installed then it wont be upgraded
[11:40] <\sh> ah ok..
[11:40] <\sh> I just wondered
[11:40] <desrt> you need the actual linux-386 package to pull the version up
[11:41] <\sh> desrt: well, linux-386 is installed, but with version 2.6.15-22, but my boot kernel is 2.6.15-23
[11:42] <desrt> \sh; i've no idea.
[11:42] <desrt> \sh; -23 shipped with dapper
[11:42] <\sh> desrt: on this laptop it's a dist-upgrade from flight 6?
[11:42] <\sh> i think it wasflight 6
[11:43] <\sh> so something is going wrong with the updates of the linux kernel? it looks like