[12:11] <nixternal> no linuxmonkey..kde4 is supposed to have a preview though about the time Edgy is released
[12:12] <LaserJock> mdke: woah, what's https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/29075 all about?
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29075 in ubuntu-doc "Have the Bazaar sandbox up" [Medium,Fix released]  
[12:13] <mdke> LaserJock: what do you mean?
[12:13] <linuxmonkey> ah ty nixternal
[12:13] <LaserJock> mdke: we have a bzr sandbox on LP?
[12:14] <LaserJock> somehow I missed out on the bug
[12:14] <mdke> LaserJock: no, on the serverpronto box, you set it up, remember?
[12:14] <LaserJock> mdke: well, yeah, but I thought jerome was talking about LP
[12:15] <LaserJock> mdke: which I looking good, btw
[12:15] <mdke> i don't see that
[12:15] <LaserJock> k
[12:15] <mdke> "which I looking good"? :p
[12:15] <LaserJock> is
[12:16] <LaserJock> yes, I'm looking good these day, shesh
[12:16] <LaserJock> I need to learn to type
[12:16] <mdke> :)
[12:16] <LaserJock> my brain is fried getting ready to fly
[12:16] <mdke> when do you leave?
[12:17] <LaserJock> tomorrow at noon
[12:17] <mdke> oh cool
[12:17] <LaserJock> but I recently aquired an undergrad for the summer
[12:17] <LaserJock> and my boss wants me to finish up some experiments this afternoon
[12:17] <LaserJock> and I was working on that wiki
[12:17] <LaserJock> and I still need to send out some emails :/
[12:18] <nixternal> wasabi Madpilot
[12:18] <Madpilot> hi
[12:18] <LaserJock> so I had to get the undergrad setup for next week with plenty of stuff to keep him busy
[12:18] <LaserJock> hopefully he doesn't blow up the lab
[12:18] <mdke> haha, nice
[12:18] <mdke> got a slave
[12:18] <mdke> Madpilot: hiya
[12:19] <LaserJock> yes, I'm very much a slave driver ;-)
[12:19] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[12:19] <LaserJock> mdke: should I commit my merge of the PG? It doesn't validate because of the $lulu-url; thing
[12:19] <mdke> Madpilot: how are things?
[12:20] <mdke> LaserJock: sure, if you like.
[12:20] <Madpilot> mdke, pretty good here - start of the weekend, thankfully!
[12:20] <LaserJock> &lulu-store;, I was slipping into a merge between Bash and docbook, scary
[12:21] <mdke> Madpilot: yeah
[12:21] <Madpilot> mdke, how many of those new translations are going to be needing Lulu covers?
[12:21] <mdke> Madpilot: I updated the wiki page, about 10?
[12:21] <Madpilot> OK, I'll get on that in a bit
[12:21] <mdke> Madpilot: no rush, I haven't done the pdfs yet. My desktop guide arrived today, it looks shiny
[12:22] <Madpilot> nice. I haven't ordered anything from Lulu yet - I should
[12:22] <LaserJock> mdke: what's the URL again for the page with all the translations
[12:22] <nixternal> when editing docbooks, what is your favorite editor to use?  anyone?  im using kate, which is ok, but am tempted to switch to something better
[12:23] <LaserJock> emacs, vim, kate, gedit
[12:23] <mdke> gedit
[12:23] <Madpilot> thinking of attempting to convert a relative over to Ubuntu (or possibly Xubuntu)
[12:23] <Madpilot> Bluefish
[12:23] <mdke> LaserJock: MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations
[12:23] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks
[12:23] <nixternal> i used to use a bluefish clone in windows for docbooks many moons ago
[12:24] <LaserJock> bah, no new PG :(
[12:24] <nixternal> hehe
[12:25] <mdke> LaserJock: progress, but nothing else completely finished
[12:25] <LaserJock> yeah, I saw you added some
[12:25] <nixternal> it seems as if you can't attempt to join the doc-team launchpad team twice...i forgot i did that a couple of weeks back
[12:25] <LaserJock> I'm amazed that it got as much translation action as it did
[12:26] <LaserJock> I'm pretty pleased
[12:26] <mdke> plenty of time yet
[12:28] <LaserJock> hopefully bhuvan will be ok with my commit log ;-)
[12:29] <Madpilot> did the meeting happen this morning? Was at work still
[12:29] <mdke> :)
[12:29] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yes
[12:29] <LaserJock> like 2 hrs or something
[12:30] <Madpilot> excellent
[12:30] <LaserJock> we claimed it was because Matthew and the Burger Bros. weren't there ;-)
[12:31] <mdke> outrageous
[12:31] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:31] <LaserJock> prove us wrong :-)
[12:35] <Madpilot> heh. the irc logs aren't up to date yet - the meeting was at -meeting rather than here, right?
[12:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:35] <LaserJock> 10:00, although i don't know what that translates to on fabbione's log
[12:35] <mdke> I read em in "current"
[12:36] <Madpilot> 'current' is currently blank, it seems.
[12:36] <LaserJock> maybe it switched to the next day
[12:37] <mdke> must be a day back, yeah
[12:39] <LaserJock> man, I'm terrible with email
[12:51] <Madpilot> OK, maybe I'm just thick, but I can't find the docteam meeting in any of the most recent four log files?
[12:55] <LaserJock> in #ubuntu-meeting?
[12:55] <Madpilot> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-06-15.html
[12:57] <LaserJock> yeah, your right
[12:57] <Madpilot> ^^^ seems to go right from the tail end of a tech meeting to the Edubuntu meeting, no sign of DocTeam
[12:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:57] <LaserJock> weird
[12:57] <Madpilot> stealth meeting? ;)
[12:57] <LaserJock> no, didn't mdke read it from there too?
[12:58] <Madpilot> apparently
[12:59] <nixternal> doc team should be in there later im assuming...asi it takes a little time with that i have noticed...plus the edubuntu and tech meeting were yesterday 
[12:59] <nixternal> and i think we were the only meeting in there today
[01:00] <LaserJock> Madpilot: want me to send you the log?
[01:00] <nixternal> actually..it isn't looking good..because there is nothing in current whatsoever that is where it should be
[01:00] <nixternal> i have a log also
[01:00] <nixternal> i think ;)
[01:00] <LaserJock> my log is better than your log ;-)
[01:01] <LaserJock> :p
[01:01] <nixternal> lol
[01:01] <Madpilot> LaserJock, I'll wait - hopefully it'll show up in -current
[01:01] <nixternal> my log's daddy could beat up your log's daddy ;)
[01:01] <LaserJock> oh yeah?!
[01:01] <nixternal> gahaha
[01:01] <LaserJock> shesh, I've got 26M of logs
[01:01] <LaserJock> I need to tar the old ones up
[01:02] <nixternal> <use the "is he your baby's daddy ghetto voice here>is that your loggy's daddy
[01:02] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:02] <nixternal> that was supposed to say....whose your loggy's daddy ;)
[01:02] <nixternal> ooop
[01:02] <nixternal> s
[01:02] <linuxmonkey> lol
[01:03] <LaserJock> hmm, I sure hope I can get my mic to work with my laptop :/
[01:04] <LaserJock> it seems to hate me
[01:04] <nixternal> ok..i want to edit some docs...any kubuntu related items need any work?
[01:04] <nixternal> as it seems from the wiki that all projects are WIP
[01:04] <nixternal> ;)
[01:04] <LaserJock> Packaging Guide ;-)
[01:04] <nixternal> doh
[01:04] <nixternal> i knew you would sling that out there
[01:04] <linuxmonkey> hahaha
[01:04] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[01:04] <nixternal> i need to really read that over and see if i can comment on anything
[01:04] <LaserJock> I'm a slave driver, remember. I get people to do all my work :-)
[01:05] <nixternal> haha ya
[01:05] <nixternal> get your intern to do it ;)
[01:05] <nixternal> i love interns
[01:05] <linuxmonkey> and i get LaserJock to do all mu work
[01:05] <LaserJock> wha?
[01:05] <LaserJock> nooooooo
[01:05] <linuxmonkey> s/mu/my
[01:05] <nixternal> my first job out of the military they gave me a programmer for an intern..i abused that poor kid
[01:05] <linuxmonkey> lol
[01:05] <LaserJock> tsk, tsk
[01:06] <linuxmonkey> he now works for EA games now...lol
[01:06] <nixternal> 8 years ago today as a matter of fact..i had him programming ladder logic for me while i worked on VB front ends for SAP/ERP and control automation systems
[01:06] <nixternal> he was a whiz..i actually couldn't keep him busy...yet i stayed swamped
[01:07] <nixternal> you get that too LaserJock?
[01:07] <LaserJock> nah, I just turn them loose ;-)
[01:07] <nixternal> i think it is because we don't want to give them so much work that they actually look more important then us ;)
[01:07] <nixternal> or stand out more rather
[01:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:07] <LaserJock> you just got to take all the credit ;-)
[01:07] <nixternal> we give them enough and ya..hahah i was gonna say that
[01:11] <LaserJock> well, the undergrad I've got working for me this summer seems pretty good
[01:11] <LaserJock> and he likes Ubuntu which is a definate plus
[01:11] <nixternal> LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide   <-is this a good place to start for info on that, or do you have something better?
[01:12] <nixternal> that is good...now put him to doc work ;)
[01:12] <nixternal> get um up to speed on docbooks and let um at it ;)
[01:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, if you want a read just go to help.ubuntu.com
[01:12] <nixternal> arg...i didn't even see it there
[01:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: no, I need him to do "real" work while I'm off playing with Ubuntu
[01:12] <nixternal> i seen the ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/and server
[01:13] <LaserJock> :(
[01:13] <LaserJock> everybody overlooks my little PG
[01:13] <nixternal> hehe
[01:13] <nixternal> it isn't that little from the looks of it
[01:14] <LaserJock> well, the license takes up like 11 pages or something ;-)
[01:14] <nixternal> now the version im looking at..this is it until edgy correct?  or are you looking at updating and cleaning it up?
[01:14] <LaserJock> oh, I'm just going to make it the most badass doc around ;-)
[01:14] <nixternal> lol
[01:15] <LaserJock> do you know anything about packaging?
[01:15] <nixternal> a little
[01:15] <LaserJock> then read through it, see if it makes sense, if you find something confusing or think something should be explained better but it on the wiki page you went to
[01:16] <LaserJock> *put
[01:16] <nixternal> i have been wanting to learn how one goes about packaging because i always see people talking about it..now i know where to get the infor to learn ;)
[01:16] <nixternal> that UbuntuPackagingGuide wiki page?
[01:16] <LaserJock> yeah, that is my notes for Edgy
[01:16] <nixternal> ok...great...
[01:17] <LaserJock> so just add stuff there or email me or ping me here, whatever
[01:17] <nixternal> no prob...im sure if it is confusing i will find it
[01:17] <nixternal> i usually do :0
[01:17] <LaserJock> good :-)
[01:17] <linuxmonkey> u think that right click is confusing nixternal
[01:17] <nixternal> i think the power button is confusing...right click isn't even in my vocab ;)
[01:18] <LaserJock> hmm :-)
[01:18] <nixternal> i wear special glasses..and i talk to my computer...that way there i don't have to right click ;)
[01:18] <nixternal> people call me...
[01:18] <nixternal> RETARDED!!!
[01:18] <nixternal> ;)
[01:18] <linuxmonkey> Retarded: To be held back
[01:19] <nixternal> with the retarded...you have to insert the carlos mencia "dee de dee" sound 
[01:20] <crimsun_> that wiki page is conspicuously missing references to ponies.
[01:20] <LaserJock> doh, I knew I was missing something
[01:20] <LaserJock> I'll put it there along with a prominent link to BddebianIsAGod
[01:21] <nixternal> hehe
[01:21] <nixternal> crimsun_ and his ponies ;)
[01:24] <linuxmonkey> were can I find references to the official colors for art
[01:24] <nixternal> www.crimsuns-ponies.com
[01:25] <nixternal> there aren't any listed on the ArtTeams pages?
[01:25] <linuxmonkey> no not that im fiding
[01:25] <linuxmonkey> finding
[01:26] <nixternal> if you can't find any..talk to kwwii..he should know
[01:31] <linuxmonkey> found it
[01:35] <nixternal> LaserJock: if you see bug posts from RichJohnson, that is me btw ;)
[01:35] <nixternal> anyone of you actually
[01:35] <nixternal> so if it is bogus, feel free to holler at me in here... ;)
[01:39] <LaserJock> nixternal: ok
[01:41] <LaserJock> hehe, you can also right-click and open in a new tab ;-)
[01:41] <nixternal> ya that too ;)
[01:41] <nixternal> i always keep one finger near the ctrl or shift keys for this...as i hate being drug away from a page
[01:42] <nixternal> could just be my personal preference also
[01:56] <mdke> nixternal: it's kinda intentional to open links in the same window you click them. That is what most users expect to happen
[01:59] <LaserJock> I know what you mean though nixternal, I just get used to using right click or keyboard shortcut
[02:00] <LaserJock> well, try as the might, Apple has not figure out how to do middle click very well
[02:00] <LaserJock> even right click is a little iffy
[02:01] <LaserJock> oh heah, I just tried it out in Camino and it worked great
[02:01] <LaserJock> you are free to ignore me now :-)
[02:03] <mdke> LaserJock: have fun in paris
[02:03] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks, I'll try. You going to try Team Speak?
[02:04] <mdke> we shall see. I don't have any headsets tho
[02:04] <LaserJock> mdke: actually, I wonder if they'll keep that server up, it would be great to use for a doc sprint 
[02:04] <mdke> good point
[02:05] <LaserJock> you should mention it to somebody (or maybe I can in Paris)
[02:05] <LaserJock> I hadn't thought of that before
[02:05] <mdke> do so
[02:05] <mdke> and if you see Znarl, poke him in the ribs
[02:05] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:05] <LaserJock> more like give him a bribe
[02:06] <mdke> I am poking him daily
[02:06] <LaserJock> good
[02:07] <mdke> for the last three days he has said that today would be the day :/
[02:07] <mdke> today he even backed up the server in preparation
[02:07] <LaserJock> hmm, is it just Paris preperations?
[02:07] <mdke> then something always comes up
[02:07] <mdke> dunno
[03:49] <nixternal> [19:03]  <LaserJock> you are free to ignore me now :-)
[03:49] <nixternal> lol
[03:49] <nixternal> sorry...i went to eat unexpectedly
[10:42] <Madpilot> hi rob
[10:42] <rob> hi Madpilot 
[05:02] <skorasaurus> hi.
[05:05] <skorasaurus> [ack, the last meeting was yesterday, missed out on it.)
[05:17] <skora> i have a suggestion about directions on the website (specifically http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop and Ready to try Ubuntu?)
[05:17] <skora> where should i direct this suggestion to ?
[05:18] <Laser_away> I think there might be a webmaster email address at the bottom of the website
[05:18] <skora> on the bottom of the page, its just a link to the canonical site.
[05:18] <Laser_away> hmm
[05:20] <skora> on after the dialog 'ready to try?' it tells people to download the livecd and test ubuntu without changing anything. There's a link there to the /download page, but I think people can easily get confused which one is the live cd that won't change their computer (desktop or server)
[05:20] <skora> I've encountered this problem with a family member who took up my suggestion to try ubuntu.
[05:20] <Laser_away> skora: well, you could email the ubuntu-doc mailing list to at least alert people. I'm not sure what the proper procedure for website bugs is
[05:21] <skora> thanks Laser_away
[05:22] <Laser_away> sorry I'm not more help, the website is not under doc team control but a couple of the doc team people can make changes I believe
[07:57] <klepas> Madpilot: i'll give you a buzz later via email
[07:57] <Madpilot> klepas, sure
[07:57] <klepas> about the wiki re-organisation via email
[07:57] <klepas> thanks! :)
[07:58] <klepas> that's it for me
[07:58] <klepas> night