[03:32] <imbrandon> morning -motu's
[03:39] <Laser_away> morning?
[03:40] <LaserJock> imbrandon: where do you live?
[03:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: irc time
[03:42] <LaserJock> well I don't know what time it is anymore, and I haven't even left yet
[03:42] <crimsun_> I think he's in .au
[03:42] <ajmitch> heh
[03:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock, GMT -0600 ( Kansas City Mo USA ) but i'm a night owl ;)
[03:43] <crimsun_> ah
[03:43] <crimsun_> a midwesterner!
[03:43] <imbrandon> yup yup ;)
[03:43] <LaserJock> ok, I thought you sounded from those parts
[03:43] <crimsun_> ouch, I feel for you :p
[03:43] <imbrandon> lol
[03:43] <LaserJock> little more east, I was thinking
[03:44] <crimsun_> (my excuse is that I've heard none of you on TS, so...)
[03:44] <LaserJock> I went to KC once, the Kansas side
[03:44] <imbrandon> ahh well i lived in boston for a bit so i might have picked up a tad accessnt
[03:44] <LaserJock> I liked it out there, nice and green when I  went
[03:44] <imbrandon> yea the KS side is only about 20 miles from me
[03:44] <LaserJock> I'm used to brown desert
[03:45] <imbrandon> i just moved back here from Reno
[03:45] <imbrandon> i grew up here but go married and moved to reno nv
[03:45] <LaserJock> wha?
[03:45] <imbrandon> then divorced and moved back ;)
[03:45] <LaserJock> really?
[03:45] <imbrandon> yup
[03:45] <LaserJock> I've been in Reno for 4 years now
[03:45] <ajmitch> seems that everyone here is married or was married :)
[03:45] <imbrandon> hahah nice
[03:46] <imbrandon> i was in sparks actualy
[03:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what's your excuse? ;-)
[03:46] <imbrandon> my ex-wife still lives there with my 2 kids
[03:46] <Kyral> I wish I was married shit
[03:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: finding the perfect girl ;)
[03:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I live in Sun Valley, but don't tell anyone
[03:46] <imbrandon> lol
[03:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: up at the top in the fenced off area
[03:46] <LaserJock> a lot fewer dead bodies and drug busts there
[03:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock, she is full blood piaute indian ( thus she grew up in the reno / pyrmid lake area )
[03:47] <LaserJock> ah
[03:47] <crimsun_> Kyral: what, you and Arch got a divorce or something?
[03:47] <LaserJock> hehe
[03:47] <Kyral> huh?
[03:47] <imbrandon> lol
[03:47] <Kyral> I meant to a girl shithead
[03:47] <LaserJock> imbrandon: crazy, I didn't think there were any linux people around here
[03:48] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/images/all.gif  <--- me and my ex-wife when i was still in reno
[03:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock, there is a rlug ( i'm still on the mailing list actualy lol )
[03:48] <LaserJock> what?
[03:48] <Lathiat> 
[03:48] <LaserJock> I was looking for one!
[03:48] <imbrandon> rlug == reno linux users group
[03:49] <LaserJock> the closes one I found was Sacramento
[03:49] <LaserJock> gosh I'm stupid
[03:49] <imbrandon> http://www.rlug.org/wiki/FrontPage
[03:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:49] <LaserJock> freaking heck!
[03:49] <LaserJock> they had a meeting yesterday
[03:50] <imbrandon> i still head out there a few times a year to see my kids , i'll have to look you up on my next trip ;)
[03:50] <LaserJock> talking about Xen even!
[03:50] <imbrandon> lol
[03:50] <imbrandon> most of them use buntu or debian too
[03:50] <imbrandon> more kubuntu than ubuntu ( but i use kubuntu also sooo lol )
[03:51] <LaserJock> wow, this is blowing me away
[03:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, did you also notice #rlug on freenode ;)
[03:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:52] <LaserJock> WHAT?
[03:54] <LaserJock> imbrandon: are you going to Paris or were you just playing around with TS?
[03:55] <imbrandon> just playing with TS ( so i can listen in on paris ) hopefully i'll make edgy release meeting
[03:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: TS is also for us who aren't real developers & can't get to paris :)
[03:55] <imbrandon> exactly ^^
[03:55] <LaserJock> whatever, I just got lucky
[03:56] <imbrandon> going ?
[03:57] <LaserJock> me, yeah
[03:57] <LaserJock> heh, I just saw they had a presentation on how to set up a breezy chroot
[03:59] <imbrandon> who did ?
[03:59] <imbrandon> thats been on the wiki for ages
[04:00] <LaserJock> Brian Morris on 11/10/2005
[04:01] <LaserJock> maybe they'll let me do a post-Paris debriefing ;-)
[04:02] <ajmitch> it'd be great for them to have a talk from a real, live ubuntu developer after paris
[04:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:02] <ajmitch> maybe they'll even pay for your beer! ;)
[04:02] <imbrandon> yup /me is doing one for kclug
[04:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Pepsi :-)
[04:03] <imbrandon> mt dew ;)
[04:03] <LaserJock> ohhh yeah
[04:04] <LaserJock> I feel so idiotic, it takes me going to Paris to figure out that I've got a LUG right were I live
[04:04] <imbrandon> lol
[04:06] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[04:06] <crimsun_> so four hours later... dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-25-386' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-25-386_2.6.15-25.43.0crimsun1_i386.deb'.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[04:06] <imbrandon> FOUR HOURS !
[04:06] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:07] <ajmitch> crimsun_: not using ccache then?
[04:07] <crimsun_> ajmitch: not much use for the first (and only) compile ;)
[04:07] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:07] <ajmitch> ah, poor fellow
[04:07] <imbrandon> ccache and distcc are nice ( i need to figure out how to use distcc with debuild )
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun_ and ajmitch and LaserJock
[04:07] <LaserJock> crimsun_: jeeze, what is that one?
[04:07] <LaserJock> on
[04:07] <ajmitch> uh oh, Hobbsee's here
[04:07] <crimsun_> LaserJock: P3 600 MHz
[04:08] <ajmitch> someone get crimsun_ a faster computer ASAP
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I've got a 1.3 GHz P4
[04:08] <LaserJock> for pbuilder
[04:08] <imbrandon> my main build machine is ...
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe yep!  it's me again!
[04:08] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.15-25-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 708/1002MB, 104 proc's, 1.49h up
[04:08] <imbrandon> 2.9 i guess ;)
[04:08] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it's 32C here today
[04:09] <imbrandon> 30C here ;)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nice!  i'm jealous!
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol
[04:09] <Hobbsee> how about we swap places - you guys do my exam..
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol you dont want me doing it
[04:09] <imbrandon> mispellings and typos everwhere
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it
[04:09] <Hobbsee> 's only programming
[04:10] <imbrandon> c/c++ ?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> c++
[04:10] <imbrandon> cool
[04:10] <Hobbsee> should be simple enough, i just really dont want to bother going in and doing it :P
[04:11] <imbrandon> lol is it today ?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hey, i did end up studying eventually you know.  then got bored, so started kicking people
[04:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, it's in an hour and a half...
[04:11] <imbrandon> ouch , well gl
[04:11] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I'll do it for you, mwhuahahaha :-)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i was told it started in an hour - i'll have to bash up the guy who told me wrongly...
[04:11] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe!  make sure i get a D or a HD in it...
[04:12] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I know absolutely 0 about c++
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <Hobbsee> make it up :P
[04:12] <LaserJock> but i might be able to fake some of it
[04:12] <LaserJock> I know a tiny bit of C
[04:12] <imbrandon> just inset php code and screw up the prof
[04:12] <imbrandon> insert*
[04:12] <LaserJock> if it was Fortran 77 I'd probably be ok
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: so why aren't you cramming now?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: good question, i will be
[04:13] <ajmitch> will be?
[04:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, php is ALOT like c++ only , scipted ;)
[04:13] <LaserJock> even Fortran 90 might be tough for me if they get into the 90 stuff
[04:13] <imbrandon> scripted*
[04:13] <crimsun_> she's a GIRL, they don't need to study
[04:13] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:13] <LaserJock> that's right
[04:13] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:13] <ajmitch> crimsun_: true
[04:13] <imbrandon> thats soooooo true, sad but true
[04:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: what, we can just flirt with the lecturers or something to get full marks?  i dont think it'll work that way
[04:13] <imbrandon> nah
[04:13] <LaserJock> did at my school ;-)
[04:14] <imbrandon> every chick i've ever studied with never had to study and got streight a's something about the way yall think diffrent(tm)
[04:14] <crimsun_> I'm gonna stay mum about that comment...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: i have a masters in the art of making up rubbish...so that works for most subjects :P
[04:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: very wise :P
[04:14] <Hobbsee> they use the student numbers, nto the names, anyway
[04:15] <imbrandon> hahahah Masters in rubbish
[04:15] <LaserJock> that's cheating
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: in making it up :P
[04:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I didn't realise you'd done a BA
[04:15] <imbrandon> yea i got it Hobbsee
[04:15] <LaserJock> how is the teacher supposed to grade when the don't know who took the test? :-)
[04:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol everyone passes
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe :P
[04:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: most people in the course probably still cant code
[04:16] <LaserJock> we had one TA in the department that just sort of randomized the stack and then started with A's at the top and worked his way down to the F's
[04:16] <Hobbsee> they get by by checking out the advanced classes examples, and manipulating them
[04:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe...that's not a bad idea, actually
[04:17] <LaserJock> and I heard of another that threw the papers down the stairwell and the step they landed on determined the grade :-)
[04:17] <imbrandon> omg lol
[04:17] <imbrandon> must have been mcse studdies
[04:17] <Hobbsee> so the more you wrote, the worse you did, yep
[04:17] <LaserJock> Chemistry ;-)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> haha yeah, probably
[04:17] <LaserJock> but that was a bad TA
[04:17] <LaserJock> I knew him
[04:17] <LaserJock> he didn't make it through his PhD
[04:18] <LaserJock> I spent hours and hours grading
[04:18] <LaserJock> students have no idea how long a teacher can spend grading
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh, dad's reformatting the study computer again - XP has died again.  I offered him a linux cd, but he wasnt interested.
[04:18] <imbrandon> sure they do, thus the frat parties till 3 am , figure if the teach is up that long so can they
[04:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hahaha
[04:19] <LaserJock> lol
[04:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: stand & laugh at him instead
[04:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, set him up with my royale theme ;)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> it's only the second time he's done it in a couple of months...
[04:19] <ajmitch> nicely, of course
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: oh i did :P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you want the honours?  :P
[04:19] <ajmitch> of course not
[04:20] <Hobbsee> sure?
[04:20] <ajmitch> quite sure
[04:20] <Hobbsee> how boring.  he wouldnt eat you, you know
[04:20] <LaserJock> my wife seems to float between linux and Windows pretty well except for one stupid recipe website
[04:21] <imbrandon> lol
[04:21] <LaserJock> I think that is the one thing getting in the way of me wiping off XP for good
[04:21] <imbrandon> run xp in vmware for that one thing
[04:21] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[04:21] <TheMuso> User-agent masking.
[04:22] <LaserJock> I thought about Wine but has flash
[04:22] <imbrandon> yea and that ;)
[04:22] <LaserJock> TheMuso: won't work
[04:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, my IE on wine loads flash just fine
[04:22] <imbrandon> wiht crossover
[04:22] <LaserJock> it's this really stupid Flash site, it doesn't even work in OS X
[04:22] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:22] <LaserJock> it works in Firefox in Windows
[04:22] <LaserJock> but not linux or OS X
[04:23] <imbrandon> hahah
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hah.  it's still got 39 mins.  and drivers and everything else.  and reinstall all the rubbish.
[04:24] <TheMuso> hehehe
[04:24] <Hobbsee> and dad's sitting, browsing on his work laptop, ignoring it
[04:24] <ajmitch> so most of the day then
[04:24] <TheMuso> Linux rocks for that reason!
[04:24] <Hobbsee> probably, yeah
[04:25] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: exactly.  i could probably stick on my 2 or 3 OS's in that time
[04:25] <Hobbsee> maybe not getting the updates though - they do take a while
[04:25] <TheMuso> hehe yeah.
[04:27] <TheMuso> LaserJock: How long till you fly out?
[04:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: upgraded to edgy yet?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, mainly because i've been lazy, and havent installed another copy of dapper yet
[04:28] <ajmitch> that's no excuse
[04:28] <Hobbsee> and i hear it's broken
[04:28] <ajmitch> bah
[04:28] <ajmitch> more excuses
[04:28] <TheMuso> hehe
[04:28] <imbrandon> lol
[04:28] <Hobbsee> well, more broken than the usual broken.
[04:29] <imbrandon> TheMuso, axactly
[04:29] <imbrandon> exactly
[04:29] <ajmitch> go all the way
[04:29] <ajmitch> it's more fun if you do it that way
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so exactly how many edgy machines do you have running at the moment?  :P
[04:30] <ajmitch> 1
[04:30] <Hobbsee> oh i know.  but they do say not to put it on production machines.
[04:30] <ajmitch> though that has no desktop stuff installed
[04:30] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: mmm okay.  is it broken beyond repair yet?
[04:30] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c edgy -d
[04:30] <imbrandon> Executing shell in 'edgy' chroot.
[04:30] <imbrandon> (edgy32)brandon@voyager:~$ cat /etc/issue.net
[04:30] <imbrandon> Ubuntu edgy (development branch)
[04:30] <imbrandon> (edgy32)brandon@voyager:~$
[04:30] <ajmitch> nah
[04:30] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe yeah
[04:30] <ajmitch> I might upgrade it to etch
[04:31] <imbrandon> my file server is still sarge
[04:32] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Why so?
[04:32] <LaserJock> TheMuso: Oh, 18 hrs or so, it's 7:30pm now and I leave around noon tommorow
[04:32] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:32] <imbrandon> TheMuso, it times out on drive mappings more than breezy or before, havent figured out why yet
[04:33] <imbrandon> TheMuso, just gonna sleep inflight ;)
[04:33] <TheMuso> If I can, yes.
[04:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: When you were at UBZ, was there net access from your rooms?
[04:36] <ajmitch> not in the room I was in
[04:36] <ajmitch> there was for others
[04:36] <ajmitch> it depends on the hotel
[04:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:36] <TheMuso> Well I know the one we are at for Paris does have net access.
[04:36] <ajmitch> then you probably do
[04:36] <TheMuso> Were there people in those rooms for the summit?
[04:37] <TheMuso> Just trying to work out whether one has to pay for their own net access from their room.
[04:37] <Kyral> Paris eh...
[04:37] <TheMuso> I am assuming so.
[04:37] <Kyral> hehe I wouldn't want to go
[04:37] <TheMuso> Kyral: Why not?
[04:37] <Kyral> well, I intend to wind up in France someday, but not for anything computer related
[04:38] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you'll find out when you get there
[04:38] <TheMuso> Yeah very likely.
[04:38] <Kyral> I wanna bike the Tour De France route :D
[04:38] <TheMuso> hehe
[04:38] <Kyral> Even if it takes me a month or two to do it :D
[04:39] <Kyral> Don't worry 2008 is coming
[04:39] <imbrandon> yup
[04:39] <Kyral> I get the best graduation gift ever
[04:39] <Kyral> the end of Dubya's term
[04:40] <imbrandon> will be some major changes i hope or i will serouisly be moving to europe, i love america but its gotten out of hand
[04:41] <Kyral> Yah also it gets boring
[04:41] <Kyral> Need some variety
[04:41] <imbrandon> true
[04:41] <Kyral> I need to visit Italy sometime
[04:41] <Kyral> <== Half Italian
[04:42] <NthDegree> lol
[04:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:43] <NthDegree> used to be 1/2 german till my mother got english citizenship :p
[04:43] <imbrandon> heh
[04:44] <imbrandon> lol
[04:44] <NthDegree> i have a SATA hard disk so life is $h!t for making things work well
[04:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea but dont most australians have english blod somewhere down the line ?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> er....ages ago...
[04:45] <NthDegree> oh and I removed ext2 and 3 support, reiserFS support and XFS support :P
[04:45] <imbrandon> NthDegree, my sata never give me problems ( hasent yet , knock on wood )
[04:45] <NthDegree> imbrandon i get kernel sync panicks whenever I compile my own kernel
[04:45] <imbrandon> just a sata150 but still ;)
[04:46] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:46] <imbrandon> kinda funny my fast hdds are in my slow machines and my fast machines still have pata drives
[04:47] <Lathiat> sata300 really doesnt make a difference atm anyway
[04:47] <Lathiat> unless you have a gigabyte i-ram or want NCQ
[04:48] <imbrandon> Lathiat, yea thats what i';ve heard, my controller supports it but my drives are all sata150 ( 4x 400GB )
[04:48] <NthDegree> my PC is just one 225GB you lucky ***** **** *** ********
[04:48] <imbrandon> so i doubt i'll bother to buy sata300 drives soon unless i replace my pata drives in my amd64
[04:48] <Lathiat> heh
[04:48] <Lathiat> well i've got 4x300G that are on sata3
[04:49] <Lathiat> 00
[04:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:49] <imbrandon> hw raid or sw raid ? ( mine is all sw raid 0 )
[04:49] <Lathiat> im not raiding them atm
[04:49] <Lathiat> just 4 disks
[04:49] <Lathiat> as i buy them incrementally
[04:49] <Lathiat> but i use unionfs
[04:49] <Lathiat> unionfs               1.1T  784G  318G  72% /storage
[04:49] <NthDegree> the best invention i think one can make for linux now is a detection app for optimal kernel config
[04:50] <Lathiat> makes fo reasy finding things
[04:50] <Lathiat> NthDegree: just run the ubuntu kernel, easier. :)
[04:50] <Lathiat> it 'detects' just fine :)
[04:50] <NthDegree> Lathiat the ubuntu kernel has no reiser4 support and is very bloated with things a dedicated linux user does not need
[04:51] <NthDegree> like who needs NTFS support if you refuse to use windows or even FAT32 support
[04:52] <imbrandon> fat32 is nice for macos transfer ( seeing how HPFS+ write support is about par with NTFS write supoort )
[04:52] <imbrandon> nice Lathiat
[04:53] <imbrandon> NthDegree, but that only matters if you dual boot with Mac OSX like i do on my iBook
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hey, what's the p/w for the live cd?
[04:53] <imbrandon> and sometimes its just as easy to copy to a samba share on the server
[04:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, unbuntu/ubuntu
[04:54] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:54] <imbrandon> err ubuntu/ubuntu
[04:54] <NthDegree> err kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu
[04:54] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[04:54] <Hobbsee> dad wanted the live cd :P
[04:55] <NthDegree> wont mount FSes - kernel panic not syncing rubbish
[04:56] <imbrandon> hahaha Hobbsee nice
[04:56] <Hobbsee> and now i'm going out, so i cant help him with it...
[04:56] <Hobbsee> nah, that i doubt
[04:56] <Hobbsee> oh well, i'm off...bye all
[04:56] <imbrandon> l8tr
[04:56] <NthDegree> i might be able to convert my brother
[04:56] <NthDegree> cya
[04:57] <NthDegree> my retarded brother who cant use windows correctly
[04:57] <imbrandon> lol
[04:57] <NthDegree> well if he can?t use windows then ubuntu shouldn?t be any harder
[04:58] <NthDegree> oh and err, hope no-one tells him that if he comes on here for support :p
[05:01] <ajmitch> we'll be sure to
[05:02] <NthDegree> lol
[05:41] <imbrandon> NthDegree, just gave him a ring, he said he'll be in IRC in a few moments from the live cd and will join -motu right away to look for you
[05:41] <imbrandon> and let you walk him through installing it ;)
[05:42] <NthDegree> lmfao
[05:42] <NthDegree> he has my speedtouch USB modem so no chance :p
[05:46] <imbrandon> lol
[06:06] <NthDegree> meh another kernel with the same old panic problem :(
[06:07] <Lathiat> whats the error?
[06:43] <TheMuso> Bye all. Heading to airport. Hope to hear you on TeamSpeak for spec work.
[06:44] <crimsun_> g'luck, be safe, luke
[06:59] <woneck> i just read about a study that says gnu/linux is more expensive than windows. how can that be true? ( here it is: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx )
[06:59] <woneck> are they talking about services?
[07:00] <LaserJock> umm, notice the URL
[07:00] <woneck> LaserJock: i know it's microsoft, but is it not an independent study?
[07:00] <woneck> i think they are quoting some other folks
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, TBH I'm pretty sure MS can get people to say anything they want
[07:01] <woneck> lol, that's right
[07:02] <woneck> but if that were true, couldn't they be sued for it?
[07:02] <LaserJock> haha
[07:02] <LaserJock> of course they could, than can get sued for lots of thing
[07:02] <LaserJock> doesn't seem to stop them much
[07:03] <LaserJock> and statistics can be bent to do anything you want pretty much
[07:03] <woneck> right...
[07:05] <LaserJock> I mean, that's not to say they are totally wrong
[07:05] <LaserJock> but often you pick out the people with the experiences you want and the studies you want
[07:05] <LaserJock> I guess that's just marketing
[07:05] <crimsun_> no, they're mostly wrong just like the Linux/BSD/UNIX guys. No one's completely "right".
[07:06] <LaserJock> except bddebian because dieties are like that
[07:06] <crimsun_> yeah
[07:07] <crimsun_> 512 MB RAM makes baby jebus weep
[07:08] <LaserJock> but RHEL isn't terribly cheap I don't think
[07:08] <crimsun_> it's something like $1k/seat iirc
[07:12] <imbrandon> just as ubuntu server support ( ~$700 year per computer )
[07:13] <LaserJock> and then you have MS standards
[07:14] <LaserJock> even if you have a superior product, the switch can be very costly
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hi all
[08:38] <crimsun_> how was the exam?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> far too easy
[08:41] <Hobbsee> (fixing dad's computer at the moment)
[08:43] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: how do i change the workgroup of a computer, again?
[08:54] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Winders, or Linux?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> linux
[08:55] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ^
[08:55] <Hobbsee> actually, we may not need it
[08:56] <StevenK> Hobbsee: In smb.conf?
[08:56] <StevenK> % ssh root@i grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf workgroup = WEDONTSLEEP
[08:57] <StevenK> There was a newline in that output, you turkey!
[08:57] <Hobbsee> StevenK: right
[08:57] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Need/Want a hand?
[08:57] <StevenK> Hobbsee: And how did you manage to get your Dad using Windows?
[08:57] <StevenK> Er.. using Linux?
[08:57] <StevenK> My mother asked which version of Windows my Ubuntu laptop was running. :-/
[08:58] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:58] <Hobbsee> StevenK: his windows fubar'd again, he's on a hoary live cd
[08:58] <Hobbsee> (yeah, ouch)
[08:59] <Hobbsee> it's missing a dep, so it cant burn cds either
[09:01] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh, you'd have to bring it over
[09:02] <StevenK> You can't download one?
[09:04] <imbrandon> horay ?
[09:04] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:04] <imbrandon> probbly wont make a good first impression ;)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> haha, not much choice
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it's got the k3b missing dep too, which sucks.
[09:06] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:06] <imbrandon> install to hdd and apt-get update
[09:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it's fun throwing security out the window though - logging in as root
[09:06] <imbrandon> wipe da winderz out
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:07] <imbrandon> lol
[09:07] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: sorry, I'm pretty useless w/ Windows
[09:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: okay
[09:08] <crimsun_> oh, samba? I'm useless there, too.
[09:09] <Hobbsee> yeah, it wont share as root, unfortunately - wont let me connect
[09:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, what are you trying to do ?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: get dad's data off the drives...
[09:12] <imbrandon> err i mean what are you having a problem with , mounting ntfs ?
[09:12] <Hobbsee> no, now it's just trying to search for dad's outlook files, and trying to get anotehr computer to connect to it, as dad catn find his big USB stick, and we cant burn cds.
[09:12] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Can you expand won't share as root?
[09:13] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I can come over armed with recover-y type stuff?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> StevenK: logging in from a win based computer, with root, and the root p/w (which i set) - it wont let him log in
[09:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:13] <imbrandon> outlook files in documents and setting s / username / local data / microsoft / outlook
[09:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, we found that, but it's old
[09:13] <imbrandon> you need the *.pst files
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes, but we catn find where the recent ones are.
[09:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What about mounting the Windows volume with uid=<ubuntu user>
[09:14] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's teh way it was mounted, i think
[09:14] <imbrandon> ahh unless he manualy changed the outlook settings that SHOULD be where they are but sudo updatedb and locate pst should work too
[09:15] <StevenK> Hobbsee: If you'd like to call me and beg, feel free.
[09:15] <dsas> if it's outlook express I think it's not .pst files but something else (idx?)
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea OE is diffrent
[09:16] <imbrandon> ye idx i think
[09:16] <imbrandon> yea*
[09:16] <crimsun_> aha! found and hijacked a Dell Optiplex GX620
[09:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, and if they are not very big just ftp them somewhere from the command line
[09:17] <imbrandon> crimsun_, gj
[09:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he wont like that idea...
[09:17] <Hobbsee> crumbs it's slow
[09:18] <imbrandon> well you could tmp setup a local ftp server on your ubuntu if you want or use sftp and do ssh to your box
[09:18] <imbrandon> local lan should be fast
[09:18] <crimsun_> man, compiling on a 3.4 GHz machine beats the pants off a 600 MHz one
[09:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont know how to use the ssh
[09:18] <imbrandon> crimsun_, lol yup
[09:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: rofl!
[09:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, is gftp installed on the horay live cd?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no idea
[09:19] <Hobbsee> brb
[09:19] <imbrandon> k
[09:19] <imbrandon> it will do sftp
[09:19] <imbrandon> all you would have to do is install openssh-server on your normal box
[09:19] <dsas> nautilus will do sftp by itself.
[09:20] <imbrandon> will it ? wasent sure, i dont use gnome much
[09:20] <crimsun_> (they're both Kubuntu users)
[09:20] <imbrandon> lol
[09:20] <dsas> ah, well i'd assume kde has some equivalent feature.
[09:21] <imbrandon> it does but idk about horray , and i bet she has a gnome horay live cd
[09:21] <imbrandon> just guessing
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[09:21] <imbrandon> dsas, can you just sftp://user@ip in natulas
[09:21] <imbrandon> ?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> no, kde hoary live cd
[09:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  install openssh-server on your normal box and try to use sftp://user@ip in konq
[09:22] <imbrandon> should be able to drag files to that
[09:22] <imbrandon> once you find them
[09:23] <imbrandon> local lan should be fast about it too
[09:23] <imbrandon> and no complicated setup
[09:23] <imbrandon> heh
[09:26] <dsas> imbrandon: yep
[09:26] <StevenK> Oof.
[09:27] <imbrandon> cool , hopefully konq has that too lol
[09:27] <StevenK> That wasn't so much me taking the puppy for a walk, as the puppy taking me for a run.
[09:27] <imbrandon> if not gftp can be apt-get from the livecd
[09:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I was thinking about it while walking the puppy. If the Windows FS is mounted with the uid of the ubuntu, try and connect as user ubuntu?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> tried that before, i think
[09:32] <Hobbsee> got some of the files on a USB disk
[09:33] <Hobbsee> er, or not.  werid.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> bleh.  how do i stop a USB disk from being busy?
[09:41] <StevenK> You don't.
[09:41] <StevenK> You're trying to umount it?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:41] <StevenK> If so, fuser -m <mount point> will tell you which processes aren't letting go.
[09:42] <imbrandon> then kill -9 if need be
[09:42] <imbrandon> heh
[09:43] <Hobbsee> 23770c?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> command to untar a whole heap of files?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> for f in *.tar; do tar xf $f; done ?
[09:45] <imbrandon> your untaring them on the usb ?
[09:46] <StevenK> Hobbsee: 23770 is the PID, 'ps aux | grep 23770' to see what it is.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, just on my dkesopt :P
[09:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i just pulled it
[09:47] <imbrandon> gahaha
[09:47] <StevenK> Oh. 23770c tells you 23770 is in one of the USB keys directories.
[09:48] <Hobbsee> hmm...got most of the files...
[09:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hey, what happens if you rm -rf /tmp?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> bah.  nothing too bad.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: had enough of a go at it - thanks for the help :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> thanks everyone else
[10:21] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[10:23] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[10:26] <imbrandon> heya Toadstool
[10:26] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[10:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: his system decided to boot off the slave disk.  grr.
[10:27] <imbrandon> ahh ouch
[10:27] <Hobbsee> he can fix it :P
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[10:35] <\sh> moins Hobbsee
[11:04] <sivang> morning fellas
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hey sivang
[11:07] <sivang> Hobbsee: how are you?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> sivang: well, i did my computing exam, then tried to fix some of dad's windows computer with a kubuntu hoary live cd - which was interesting
[11:13] <sivang> Hobbsee: how did he react to the change?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> sivang: well, he asked for the cd, and played around while i was at my exam, then gave up, i think
[11:14] <Hobbsee> and he panicked that i wouldnt be able to get off the stuff he wanted.
[03:15] <zakame> hi all
[03:17] <phanatic> afternoon MOTUland
[03:19] <zakame> hi phanatic
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hey zakame and phanatic
[03:19] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee and zakame
[03:28] <zakame> wb Hobbsee , heya jpatrick
[03:28] <Hobbsee> thanks zakame
[03:28] <jpatrick> hi zakame
[03:30] <zakame> \sh: w00t
[03:30] <\sh> zakame: wait for planet ;)
[03:30] <zakame> \sh: that should be useful for new kunberos like me :)
[03:31] <\sh> zakame: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/222-Jabber-Services-jabber.kubuntu.de-for-the-masses.html
[03:31] <_ion> del.icio.us is handy.
[03:34] <zakame> coolness
[03:35] <\sh> spelling mistakes are going to be fixed in no time....thx to zerlinna ;)
[03:36] <siretart> \sh: is jabber.kubuntu.de the same as jabberme.net?
[03:36] <\sh> siretart: same server, no transports ;)
[03:36] <siretart> ah. I see
[03:36] <zakame> \sh: hehe, well what's important isthat you got the message across :)
[03:36] <\sh> siretart: but I hope only for a short period of time...need to find some bigger server platform ;)
[03:37] <siretart> \sh: what are you thinking of?
[03:37] <\sh> dunno...dual core opteron with a 500 gig sata hd?
[03:38] <\sh> 16GB ram
[03:38] <siretart> \sh: welcome back to planet.ubuntu.com :)
[03:38] <\sh> siretart: thx :)
[03:39] <\sh> siretart: now waiting for tuesday ;)
[03:40] <\sh> siretart: and for a fixed udev ;)
[03:40] <siretart> \sh: tuesday?
[03:40] <\sh> siretart: TB
[03:40] <siretart> ah
[03:42] <siretart> you were missing the last time, right
[03:42] <\sh> siretart: yeah the time schedule doesn't fit with mine :)
[03:42] <\sh> siretart: I don't have any internet connection in the hotel
[03:43] <\sh> siretart: so next tuesday, I'll have to sit somehow longer in the office
[03:43] <siretart> uuh. quite really long :)
[03:43] <\sh> 2200 our time
[03:46] <kelmo> gday siretart
[03:47] <siretart> huhu kelmo !
[04:02] <gilligan_> hello
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hey gilligan_
[04:04] <gilligan_> was browsing around on wiki.ubuntu.com and thought I could start contributing somehow.. found the list of requested packages -- started working on gens .. and boy the build system is *broken*
[04:05] <\sh> gilligan_: what build system?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> for edgy?  yeah
[04:05] <Hobbsee> udev on edgy, likely
[04:05] <gilligan_> naah :)
[04:05] <\sh> and what is gens?
[04:05] <gilligan_> the automake stuff from gens is crippled. that's what I was saying
[04:05] <gilligan_> \sh, gens is some genesis emulator
[04:05] <\sh> gilligan_: you tried autoreconf?
[04:06] <\sh> or the manual method of aclocal, automake, autoconf? eventually libtoolize?
[04:06] <gilligan_> \sh, i'm on it
[04:06] <\sh> gilligan_: add automake, autotools-dev, autoconf to the list of build deps , adjust the debian/rules file, and add autoreconf or aclocal,automake,autoconf in front of the configure call
[04:07] <\sh> gilligan_: if this won't help, bug upstream;)
[04:10] <\sh> re
[04:10] <gilligan_> :-] 
[04:11] <\sh> damn netcologne disconnects
[04:17] <gilligan_> hm, i am still lacking some experience with autotools.. should have another look at auto.pdf I suppose.. but can someone give me some info on this :
[04:17] <gilligan_> gilligan@toontown:~/gens/GensForLinux$ autoreconf
[04:17] <gilligan_> aclocal: configure.in: 10: macro `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' not found in library
[04:17] <gilligan_> autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1
[04:18] <\sh> gilligan_: check in the source dir if there is a macro dir of AM stuff
[04:18] <\sh> if so, do something like this: aclocal -I <dirname of the macros>
[04:19] <gilligan_> hm, nope
[04:19] <\sh> aclocal , automake, autoconf is your friend then
[04:19] <\sh> let me have a look...where can I download this thing
[04:20] <gilligan_> but I see configure does not exit cleanly either
[04:20] <gilligan_> phone
[04:20] <gilligan_> brb
[04:23] <gilligan_> \sh, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gens/gens-src-multiplatform-2005feb13.zip?download
[04:24] <gilligan_> \sh, be sure to run sed -i '' "s/\r//g" $file  on all files to get rid of the ^M line endings
[04:24] <\sh> outch
[04:24] <gilligan_> hehe
[04:25] <\sh> ugly
[04:25] <gilligan_> indeed
[04:25] <gilligan_> also configure will fail in line 3966
[04:26] <gilligan_> and i just accidently overwrote my changes, d'oh
[04:26] <gilligan_> if test x"$NASM" != xno; then
[04:26] <gilligan_>         NASM_VERSION_FOUND=`$NASM -v | awk '{print $3}'`
[04:26] <gilligan_>  else
[04:26] <gilligan_>         { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: *** nasm not found!" >&5
[04:26] <gilligan_> echo "$as_me: error: *** nasm not found!" >&2;}
[04:26] <gilligan_>    { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
[04:26] <gilligan_>  fi
[04:26] <gilligan_> that crap can(has to be) be replaced
[04:27] <\sh> gilligan_: try sudo apt-get install automake1.9 and then aclocal-1.9, automake-1.9
[04:27] <\sh> gilligan_: you are running dapper, right?
[04:27] <gilligan_> yep
[04:28] <\sh> you should have libgtk2.0-dev and libsdl*-dev  installed as well, if you don't use a clean chroot
[04:28] <gilligan_> there is no aclocal package tho
[04:28] <gilligan_> I do
[04:28] <gilligan_> have them installed i mena
[04:28] <gilligan_> mean
[04:29] <\sh> gilligan_: no aclocal is in automake1.9
[04:29] <gilligan_> yep
[04:29] <\sh> the package is automake1.9 and the binaries you have to start are aclocal-1.9 and automake-1.9
[04:29] <gilligan_> eh, okay.. i misread your line :)
[04:31] <gilligan_> yep right
[04:31] <gilligan_> so far so good
[04:31] <\sh> ok...after doing aclocal-1.9 ; automake-1.9 ; autoconf ... ./configure should work
[04:31] <\sh> if not, it's most likley upstream bug
[04:32] <\sh> likely even
[04:32] <\sh> the heat
[04:32] <gilligan_> ah,seems much better now
[04:32] <gilligan_> \sh, thanks for the help
[04:33] <\sh> gilligan_: my pleasure
[04:44] <kilian> hi
[04:44] <kilian> can someone explain to my why currently debhelper is uninstallable through intltool being not updated?
[04:44] <kilian> or rather when this is supposed to be fixed...
[04:45] <kilian> right now to me it looks like:
[04:45] <kilian> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:45] <kilian>   po-debconf: Depends: intltool-debian (>= 0.34.2+20060512) but 0.34.1+20050828ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:45] <kilian> E: Broken packages
[04:46] <Hobbsee> kilian: because they broke it?
[04:47] <kilian> well, that's as far as i was.. when is it gonna be unbroken?
[04:47] <kilian> anyone planing on uploading the new version into edgy?
[04:47] <azeem> probably soonsih
[04:48] <kilian> yeh, that's what i thought the last two days already =)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> kilian: i think they broke udev as well, too...
[04:50] <kilian> udev is not as much a build-depends for me =)
[04:55] <gilligan_> hm, what documentation should I follow to learn ubuntu packaging ? the wiki is a bit chaotic to be honest
[04:55] <Hobbsee> gilligan_: see the topic
[04:56] <gilligan_> Hobbsee, that's what I am referring to as chaotic :)
[04:56] <\sh> kilian: be patient
[04:56] <Hobbsee> see the message from ubotu too
[04:57] <gilligan_> ah,thanks
[04:58] <gilligan_> why isn't the packaging guide linked on the motu wiki ?? :-] 
[04:59] <gilligan_> or maybe I have tomatoes on my eyes again
[05:00] <zealot> Well why don't you link it in the wiki :)
[05:01] <gilligan_> good point :)
[05:04] <Laser_away> gilligan_: because I haven't linked it well
[05:05] <Laser_away> gilligan_: I need to go through and clean up the wiki
[05:05] <Laser_away> it's on my TODO list ;-)
[05:05] <gilligan_> well i'm adding that link now if you don't mind
[05:05] <Laser_away> on what page?
[05:06] <gilligan_> sec..
[05:09] <gilligan_> registration stalls for some reason..
[05:12] <gilligan_> Laser_away, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[05:12] <gilligan_> Laser_away, under Package new software for Ubuntu yourself
[05:14] <Laser_away> ok
[05:15] <gilligan_> wiki.ubuntu.com is /horribly/ slow for me right now.. maybe bad routing
[05:16] <Laser_away> sometimes it's that way, there could also be some work going on
[05:17] <Laser_away> I see the change, thanks
[05:18] <gilligan_> Laser_away, there still seems to be some redundancy here and there
[05:19] <gilligan_> Laser_away, like I would rather take out the two links in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New/HowTo and add them to the list to which I just added the other link
[05:19] <Laser_away> yeah
[05:19] <Laser_away> there are lots of pages that need cleaned up around there
[05:19] <gilligan_> also..
[05:20] <gilligan_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging
[05:20] <gilligan_> is kind of pointless
[05:22] <gilligan_> Laser_away, well if it's okay i'll do some more changes. I just don't want to mess around too much being someone who just registered on launchpad 5mins ago :)
[05:22] <\sh> right, PbuilderHowto and DeveloperResources are missing ;)
[05:22] <gilligan_> ah well .. I have to clean up my appartment
[05:23] <gilligan_> i'll be back later :] 
[05:23] <Laser_away> gilligan_: feel free to clean stuff up, just don't delete any pages yet
[05:23] <gilligan_> Laser_away, alright
[05:23] <Laser_away> gilligan_: talk to the doc team in #ubuntu-doc if you have questions about wiki stuff
[05:23] <gilligan_> no prob
[05:23] <gilligan_> okay
[05:23] <gilligan_> but for now i'm away for a good while cleaning my appartment :] 
[05:23] <gilligan_> laters
[05:26] <Laser_away> cya
[06:09] <phanatic> any MOTUs alive and willing to upload to dapper-updates? :)
[06:10] <freeflying-g4> phanatic: can motu upload to updates?
[06:11] <phanatic> mdz agreed to ask a motu for upload
[06:12] <freeflying-g4> phanatic: if it's in universe, I can upload it for you
[06:13] <NthDegree> man i want reiser4 support :( but I can't ever get any kernels I compile to boot
[06:13] <phanatic> it's in universe of course :)
[06:13] <freeflying-g4> NthDegree: join #ubuntu for help
[06:14] <phanatic> freeflying-g4: debdiff and corrected changelog is under bug 47671
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47671 in sysinfo "Data in Hardware and USB tab truncated" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47671
[06:14] <NthDegree> freeflying-g4 reiser4 support is experimental, therefore wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask here?\
[06:15] <\sh> NthDegree: no.
[06:15] <freeflying-g4> phanatic: okey, I'd switch to kubuntu, now I'm in osx :)
[06:15] <NthDegree> doh lol
[06:15] <\sh> NthDegree: this is #ubuntu-motu which deals with development for universe. not for answering questions about experimental software which is not even in vanilla kernels
[06:16] <siretart> phanatic: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3006007/sysinfo_0.6.1-0ubuntu5_v3.debdiff?
[06:16] <\sh> NthDegree: actually there is not even experimental support for reiserfs4 in ubuntu at all
[06:16] <phanatic> siretart: yes, but mdz told me to fix the changelog, that's attached too
[06:18] <NthDegree> why are the reiser4progs supported officially then :| makes no real sense
[06:18] <freeflying-g4> siretart: will you upload it? if you do, then I needn't switch to kubuntu now  :)
[06:18] <\sh> phanatic: what he meant was in the debian/changelog
[06:18] <\sh> * debian/patches/other_info-more-buffer.patch:
[06:18] <\sh> +    - updated to fix another issue (Close: Malone #47254)
[06:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47254 in sysinfo "sysinfo hangs when reading /proc/bus/input/devices" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47254
[06:18] <\sh> phanatic: explain "another issue" ;)
[06:19] <siretart> freeflying-g4: I'm on it
[06:19] <\sh> phanatic: and provide a complete new debdiff ;)
[06:19] <phanatic> \sh: that's what i meant by corrected changelog
[06:19] <phanatic> he just told me to attach the corrected changelog
[06:19] <\sh> phanatic: provide a new debdiff..it's easier for the uploader :)
[06:19] <phanatic> \sh: <mdz> phanatic: code changes look fine, just update the changelog and go ahead
[06:19] <phanatic> true :)
[06:20] <\sh> phanatic: yes..it means provide a new changelog, do a new debdiff, and attach it to the bug,
[06:20] <phanatic> siretart: shall i do a quick debdiff?
[06:20] <phanatic> \sh: thank for clearing up, i'll do so in the future
[06:21] <\sh> phanatic: package maintainer slang...we need a dictionary ;)
[06:21] <phanatic> \sh: i'm still learning, so doing what other people tell me to do :)
[06:21] <phanatic> now i learnt another thing ;)
[06:21] <siretart> phanatic: next time, this time I already merged it
[06:21] <\sh> phanatic: that's wrong...If anyone tells you to jump from the bridge, to fix bug #1, then you shouldn't listen to it ;)
[06:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:22] <phanatic> siretart: sorry for the inconvenience
[06:22] <phanatic> \sh: heh :) i won't do that of course...
[06:22] <phanatic> hey, Baltix?
[06:22] <phanatic> quite interesting...
[06:22] <phanatic> :)
[06:24] <\sh> siretart: how is the weather at your place?
[06:24] <siretart> \sh: way too hot
[06:24] <\sh> siretart: thx...so I need _more cold beer_ in the next couple of hours
[06:24] <siretart> well, today it's okay. but the rest of the week, it was too hot
[06:25] <\sh> no here next to cologne it's too hot
[06:29] <siretart> phanatic: uploaded
[06:30] <phanatic> siretart: thank you
[07:04] <tseng> Seveas: are you present?
[07:28] <Seveas> tseng, presently I am 
[07:28] <tseng> :)
[07:29] <tseng> Seveas: can i send you a msg?
[07:29] <Seveas> tseng, sure, no need to ask
[07:44] <ogra> Seveas, not on the plane yet ?
[07:46] <Seveas> ogra, I'm not going, didn't get sponsored
[07:46] <ogra> NOOO
[07:46] <ogra> bah
[07:46] <Seveas> blame sabdfl ;)
[07:46] <shawarma> How many of you guys will be there by tomorrow?
[07:47] <shawarma> I arrive at around noon and have nothing to do until Monday when the summit officially begins. :-)
[07:48] <ogra> shawarma, everybody (or most ppl) will arrive during the day
[07:48] <\sh> where is the next summit/conf/whatever of ubuntu? I need to save money for it ;)
[07:48] <ogra> so there is chance to walk around the city or find a bar and have a beer etc
[07:48] <\sh> moulin rouge is nice at night ;)
[07:49] <shawarma> ogra: Sounds great.. Maybe if i could get your phone number we could meet up?
[07:50] <shawarma> Or maybe I could just stop by your hotel and look for people wearing Ubuntu merchandise. :-)
[07:50] <\sh> shawarma: you can try to go to the artist area, mon matre.
[07:51] <\sh> shawarma: and the eiffel tower ;) walk upstairs, don't use the lift..
[07:51] <shawarma> \sh: you're kidding, right?
[07:52] <\sh> shawarma: no. I did it three times...(when I was 16/17/18)
[07:52] <\sh> shawarma: and take a lot of water with you
[07:52] <shawarma> \sh: Good idea! someone should set up a shop halfway up selling cold water.
[07:52] <\sh> shawarma: when you are on top of it, you feel great and you enjoy the view much more..
[07:52] <roryy> greetings. i'm trying to package a kernel module for a softmodem (Intel 536EP) and I'd like a little advice. How (if at all) should I get the thing to be loaded at boot -- with a modprobe in an /etc/init.d script ? I'd like to add a line to /etc/modules, but I don't know if there's a good way to do that (and undo it using postrm or whatever)
[07:53] <ogra> \sh, if the weather is even remotely like in germany atm, it wont be fun to climb montmatre
[07:53] <\sh> ogra: mon matre is not so difficult...use the metro and just walk right up...following the young people with red wine and guitars
[07:54] <ogra> \sh, and be boiled by the sun while climbing ?
[07:54] <phanatic> you can also use the furniculare if you're lazy ;)
[07:54] <\sh> shawarma: you could also visit the graveyard of jim morrison :)
[07:54] <\sh> "this is the end"...
[07:55] <shawarma> Is that in Paris? Weird..
[07:55] <ogra> yep
[07:55] <\sh> yes
[07:55] <shawarma> I
[07:55] <\sh> damn. paris has a lot of things to see
[07:55] <shawarma> woops
[07:56] <ogra> shawarma, see -devel for my mobile # but i'll go to the hotel anyway first so we'll likely meet there
[07:57] <\sh> behind the gare du norde area (north central train station) there is an indian area...nice food there
[07:58] <shawarma> ogra: Got it.
[10:41] <zul> hey
[10:42] <zyga> hello
[10:59] <zul> sue mentioned here has also been fixed. The GUI
[10:59] <zul> configuration issue is worked on in bug #37451 and the patch already
[10:59] <zul> works for some people.sue mentioned here has also been fixed. The GUI
[10:59] <zul> configuration issue is worked on in bug #37451 and the patch already
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37451 in linux-wlan-ng "prism2 support out of the box" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37451
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37451 in linux-wlan-ng "prism2 support out of the box" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37451
[10:59] <zul> works for some people.sorry..
[10:59] <zul> wtf?
[11:10] <ajmitch> morning
[11:10] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[11:10] <ajmitch> ok
[11:11] <zul> its dead here
[11:12] <ajmitch> yep
[11:12] <ajmitch> everyone off to paris..
[11:14] <zul> i think we are only two who arent there
[11:16] <\sh> no me is at home too
[11:16] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:16] <zul> wohoo...hey \sh
[11:17] <\sh> ajmitch: how nice it is...i meet you on irc just before you go to bed, and I meet you on irc when you wake up...
[11:18] <Gloubiboulga> /me is at home too, but I live at 15km from Paris :)
[11:18] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:18] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: so you will attend the summit?
[11:18] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, yes
[11:19] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: cool :)
[11:19] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[11:19] <Gloubiboulga> it's my first ubuntu meeting :)
[11:20] <zul> heh...going to see the high priest for the cult?
[11:20] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: don't go to sabdfl and ask for an autograph...
[11:21] <ajmitch> ask him to sign your gpg key
[11:21] <Gloubiboulga> hehe :)
[11:21] <\sh> during linuxtag juliux went to sabdfl and asked him to sign his t-shirt
[11:21] <zul> heh...fabbione introduced me to sabdfl in montreal
[11:22] <\sh> that was so .. embarassing
[11:22] <\sh> like the girls when they see robbie williams
[11:22] <ajmitch> get an autograph from elmo :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> "I spoke to elmo & lived!"
[11:23] <\sh> which is more then cool...to get an autograph from elmo..."look, I have a signed t-shirt from the ftpmaster" ;)
[11:23] <Gloubiboulga> lol, so I'm not the only one scared by elmo? ;)
[11:23] <\sh> elmo is a nice guy.
[11:24] <\sh> no matter what everybody else is saying.
[11:24] <tseng> he can be scary if you take his picture
[11:24] <tseng> big red guy chasing after you
[11:24] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, I'm sure he is, like every ubuntu/canonical guys
[11:26] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/ubz/20051104/P1000152.JPG.html this guy is much more dangerous then elmo
[11:26] <zul> arrgh!
[11:27] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:27] <jpatrick> hi Toadstool
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> hey Toadstool
[11:27] <\sh> zul: am I right? ;)
[11:27] <zul> yeah..
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[11:27] <Toadstool> hi jpatrick & Gloubiboulga
[11:29] <\sh> I tried to take a picture of jdub in a seriours position...but every time I hit the button, he just made some strange crazy face..
[11:29] <Toadstool> :)
[11:30] <\sh> I think it has something to do with mad cow desease or being allergic against cameras
[11:31] <Toadstool> maybe both
[11:31] <zul> or being an aussie
[11:32] <Toadstool> :)
[11:32] <\sh> so scrapy ;)
[11:36] <Gloubiboulga> good night Universe, I'm exhausted...
[11:36] <Toadstool> g'night Gloubiboulga
[11:36] <Toadstool> I should go to bed too but I've far too much work to finish before that :/
[11:43] <gilligan_> hi
[11:44] <\sh> re gilligan_
[11:44] <gilligan_> :]