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[03:40] imbrandon: where do you live? [03:41] LaserJock: irc time [03:42] well I don't know what time it is anymore, and I haven't even left yet [03:42] I think he's in .au [03:42] heh [03:43] LaserJock, GMT -0600 ( Kansas City Mo USA ) but i'm a night owl ;) [03:43] ah [03:43] a midwesterner! [03:43] yup yup ;) [03:43] ok, I thought you sounded from those parts [03:43] ouch, I feel for you :p [03:43] lol [03:43] little more east, I was thinking [03:44] (my excuse is that I've heard none of you on TS, so...) [03:44] I went to KC once, the Kansas side [03:44] ahh well i lived in boston for a bit so i might have picked up a tad accessnt [03:44] I liked it out there, nice and green when I went [03:44] yea the KS side is only about 20 miles from me [03:44] I'm used to brown desert [03:45] i just moved back here from Reno [03:45] i grew up here but go married and moved to reno nv [03:45] wha? [03:45] then divorced and moved back ;) [03:45] really? [03:45] yup [03:45] I've been in Reno for 4 years now [03:45] seems that everyone here is married or was married :) [03:45] hahah nice [03:46] i was in sparks actualy [03:46] ajmitch: what's your excuse? ;-) [03:46] my ex-wife still lives there with my 2 kids [03:46] I wish I was married shit [03:46] LaserJock: finding the perfect girl ;) [03:46] imbrandon: I live in Sun Valley, but don't tell anyone [03:46] lol [03:46] imbrandon: up at the top in the fenced off area [03:46] a lot fewer dead bodies and drug busts there [03:47] LaserJock, she is full blood piaute indian ( thus she grew up in the reno / pyrmid lake area ) [03:47] ah [03:47] Kyral: what, you and Arch got a divorce or something? [03:47] hehe [03:47] huh? === Kyral smacks crimsun_ [03:47] lol [03:47] I meant to a girl shithead [03:47] imbrandon: crazy, I didn't think there were any linux people around here [03:48] http://www.imbrandon.com/images/all.gif <--- me and my ex-wife when i was still in reno [03:48] LaserJock, there is a rlug ( i'm still on the mailing list actualy lol ) [03:48] what? [03:48] [03:48] I was looking for one! [03:48] rlug == reno linux users group [03:49] the closes one I found was Sacramento [03:49] gosh I'm stupid [03:49] http://www.rlug.org/wiki/FrontPage [03:49] ;) [03:49] freaking heck! [03:49] they had a meeting yesterday [03:50] i still head out there a few times a year to see my kids , i'll have to look you up on my next trip ;) [03:50] talking about Xen even! [03:50] lol [03:50] most of them use buntu or debian too [03:50] more kubuntu than ubuntu ( but i use kubuntu also sooo lol ) [03:51] wow, this is blowing me away [03:52] LaserJock, did you also notice #rlug on freenode ;) [03:52] hehe [03:52] WHAT? [03:54] imbrandon: are you going to Paris or were you just playing around with TS? [03:55] just playing with TS ( so i can listen in on paris ) hopefully i'll make edgy release meeting [03:55] LaserJock: TS is also for us who aren't real developers & can't get to paris :) [03:55] exactly ^^ [03:55] whatever, I just got lucky [03:56] going ? [03:57] me, yeah [03:57] heh, I just saw they had a presentation on how to set up a breezy chroot [03:59] who did ? [03:59] thats been on the wiki for ages [04:00] Brian Morris on 11/10/2005 [04:01] maybe they'll let me do a post-Paris debriefing ;-) [04:02] it'd be great for them to have a talk from a real, live ubuntu developer after paris [04:02] ;) [04:02] maybe they'll even pay for your beer! ;) [04:02] yup /me is doing one for kclug [04:02] ajmitch: Pepsi :-) [04:03] mt dew ;) [04:03] ohhh yeah === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.13] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] I feel so idiotic, it takes me going to Paris to figure out that I've got a LUG right were I live [04:04] lol === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] moins Hobbsee [04:06] so four hours later... dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-25-386' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-25-386_2.6.15-25.43.0crimsun1_i386.deb'. [04:06] hey imbrandon [04:06] FOUR HOURS ! [04:06] ouch [04:07] crimsun_: not using ccache then? [04:07] ajmitch: not much use for the first (and only) compile ;) [04:07] hi Hobbsee [04:07] ah, poor fellow [04:07] ccache and distcc are nice ( i need to figure out how to use distcc with debuild ) [04:07] hey crimsun_ and ajmitch and LaserJock [04:07] crimsun_: jeeze, what is that one? [04:07] on [04:07] uh oh, Hobbsee's here [04:07] LaserJock: P3 600 MHz === imbrandon stands infront of ajmitch to hide him [04:08] someone get crimsun_ a faster computer ASAP [04:08] yeah, I've got a 1.3 GHz P4 [04:08] for pbuilder [04:08] my main build machine is ... [04:08] ajmitch: hehe yep! it's me again! [04:08] Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.15-25-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), , RAM: 708/1002MB, 104 proc's, 1.49h up [04:08] 2.9 i guess ;) [04:08] Hobbsee: it's 32C here today [04:09] 30C here ;) === Hobbsee sidesteps imbrandon and hugs ajmitch [04:09] nice! i'm jealous! [04:09] lol [04:09] how about we swap places - you guys do my exam.. [04:09] lol you dont want me doing it [04:09] mispellings and typos everwhere [04:09] it [04:09] 's only programming [04:10] c/c++ ? [04:10] c++ [04:10] cool [04:10] should be simple enough, i just really dont want to bother going in and doing it :P [04:11] lol is it today ? [04:11] ajmitch: hey, i did end up studying eventually you know. then got bored, so started kicking people [04:11] imbrandon: yeah, it's in an hour and a half... [04:11] ouch , well gl [04:11] Hobbsee: I'll do it for you, mwhuahahaha :-) [04:11] i was told it started in an hour - i'll have to bash up the guy who told me wrongly... [04:11] LaserJock: hehe! make sure i get a D or a HD in it... [04:12] Hobbsee: I know absolutely 0 about c++ [04:12] hehe [04:12] make it up :P [04:12] but i might be able to fake some of it [04:12] I know a tiny bit of C [04:12] just inset php code and screw up the prof [04:12] insert* [04:12] if it was Fortran 77 I'd probably be ok [04:12] hehe [04:12] Hobbsee: so why aren't you cramming now? === Hobbsee doesnt know php [04:12] ajmitch: good question, i will be [04:13] will be? [04:13] Hobbsee, php is ALOT like c++ only , scipted ;) [04:13] even Fortran 90 might be tough for me if they get into the 90 stuff [04:13] scripted* [04:13] she's a GIRL, they don't need to study [04:13] haha [04:13] that's right [04:13] hahaha [04:13] crimsun_: true [04:13] thats soooooo true, sad but true [04:13] crimsun_: what, we can just flirt with the lecturers or something to get full marks? i dont think it'll work that way [04:13] nah [04:13] did at my school ;-) [04:14] every chick i've ever studied with never had to study and got streight a's something about the way yall think diffrent(tm) [04:14] I'm gonna stay mum about that comment... [04:14] crimsun_: i have a masters in the art of making up rubbish...so that works for most subjects :P [04:14] crimsun_: very wise :P [04:14] they use the student numbers, nto the names, anyway [04:15] hahahah Masters in rubbish [04:15] that's cheating [04:15] imbrandon: in making it up :P [04:15] Hobbsee: I didn't realise you'd done a BA [04:15] yea i got it Hobbsee [04:15] how is the teacher supposed to grade when the don't know who took the test? :-) [04:15] LaserJock, lol everyone passes [04:16] ajmitch: hehe :P [04:16] LaserJock: most people in the course probably still cant code [04:16] we had one TA in the department that just sort of randomized the stack and then started with A's at the top and worked his way down to the F's === imbrandon is working on a PhD in IRC [04:16] they get by by checking out the advanced classes examples, and manipulating them [04:16] imbrandon: haha [04:16] LaserJock: hehe...that's not a bad idea, actually [04:17] and I heard of another that threw the papers down the stairwell and the step they landed on determined the grade :-) [04:17] omg lol [04:17] must have been mcse studdies [04:17] so the more you wrote, the worse you did, yep [04:17] Chemistry ;-) [04:17] haha yeah, probably [04:17] but that was a bad TA [04:17] I knew him [04:17] he didn't make it through his PhD [04:18] I spent hours and hours grading [04:18] students have no idea how long a teacher can spend grading [04:18] oh, dad's reformatting the study computer again - XP has died again. I offered him a linux cd, but he wasnt interested. [04:18] sure they do, thus the frat parties till 3 am , figure if the teach is up that long so can they [04:19] Hobbsee, hahaha [04:19] lol [04:19] Hobbsee: stand & laugh at him instead [04:19] Hobbsee, set him up with my royale theme ;) [04:19] it's only the second time he's done it in a couple of months... [04:19] nicely, of course [04:19] ajmitch: oh i did :P [04:19] ajmitch: you want the honours? :P [04:19] of course not [04:20] sure? [04:20] quite sure [04:20] how boring. he wouldnt eat you, you know [04:20] my wife seems to float between linux and Windows pretty well except for one stupid recipe website [04:21] lol [04:21] I think that is the one thing getting in the way of me wiping off XP for good [04:21] run xp in vmware for that one thing [04:21] hmm, yeah [04:21] User-agent masking. [04:22] I thought about Wine but has flash [04:22] yea and that ;) [04:22] TheMuso: won't work [04:22] LaserJock, my IE on wine loads flash just fine [04:22] wiht crossover [04:22] it's this really stupid Flash site, it doesn't even work in OS X [04:22] hmm [04:22] it works in Firefox in Windows [04:22] but not linux or OS X === Hobbsee goes to check how the install is going. [04:23] hahah [04:24] hah. it's still got 39 mins. and drivers and everything else. and reinstall all the rubbish. [04:24] hehehe [04:24] and dad's sitting, browsing on his work laptop, ignoring it [04:24] so most of the day then [04:24] Linux rocks for that reason! [04:24] probably, yeah [04:25] TheMuso: exactly. i could probably stick on my 2 or 3 OS's in that time [04:25] maybe not getting the updates though - they do take a while [04:25] hehe yeah. [04:27] LaserJock: How long till you fly out? [04:27] Hobbsee: upgraded to edgy yet? [04:28] ajmitch: no, mainly because i've been lazy, and havent installed another copy of dapper yet [04:28] that's no excuse [04:28] and i hear it's broken === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] bah [04:28] more excuses [04:28] hehe [04:28] lol [04:28] well, more broken than the usual broken. === TheMuso will use an edgy chroot for a while before most of the brokenness is sorted. [04:29] TheMuso, axactly [04:29] exactly === Hobbsee will add an edgy partition, probably after monday. [04:29] go all the way [04:29] it's more fun if you do it that way [04:29] ajmitch: so exactly how many edgy machines do you have running at the moment? :P [04:30] 1 [04:30] oh i know. but they do say not to put it on production machines. [04:30] though that has no desktop stuff installed [04:30] ajmitch: mmm okay. is it broken beyond repair yet? [04:30] brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c edgy -d [04:30] Executing shell in 'edgy' chroot. [04:30] (edgy32)brandon@voyager:~$ cat /etc/issue.net [04:30] Ubuntu edgy (development branch) [04:30] (edgy32)brandon@voyager:~$ [04:30] nah === ajmitch should upgrade the box downstairs from sarge :) [04:30] ajmitch: hehe yeah [04:30] I might upgrade it to etch [04:31] my file server is still sarge === imbrandon hates samba in dapper [04:32] imbrandon: Why so? [04:32] TheMuso: Oh, 18 hrs or so, it's 7:30pm now and I leave around noon tommorow [04:32] Right. [04:32] TheMuso, it times out on drive mappings more than breezy or before, havent figured out why yet === TheMuso flies out in 6 hours and 10 minutes. As in, the plane is due to take off. [04:33] TheMuso, just gonna sleep inflight ;) [04:33] If I can, yes. [04:36] ajmitch: When you were at UBZ, was there net access from your rooms? [04:36] not in the room I was in [04:36] there was for others [04:36] it depends on the hotel [04:36] Right. [04:36] Well I know the one we are at for Paris does have net access. [04:36] then you probably do [04:36] Were there people in those rooms for the summit? [04:37] Just trying to work out whether one has to pay for their own net access from their room. [04:37] Paris eh... [04:37] I am assuming so. [04:37] hehe I wouldn't want to go [04:37] Kyral: Why not? [04:37] well, I intend to wind up in France someday, but not for anything computer related [04:38] TheMuso: you'll find out when you get there [04:38] Yeah very likely. === Kyral smirks [04:38] I wanna bike the Tour De France route :D [04:38] hehe [04:38] Even if it takes me a month or two to do it :D === imbrandon just wants to get away from the idiots in the us government [04:39] Don't worry 2008 is coming [04:39] yup [04:39] I get the best graduation gift ever [04:39] the end of Dubya's term [04:40] will be some major changes i hope or i will serouisly be moving to europe, i love america but its gotten out of hand [04:41] Yah also it gets boring [04:41] Need some variety [04:41] true [04:41] I need to visit Italy sometime [04:41] <== Half Italian === imbrandon is half irish half native america with a hint of german somewhere [04:42] lol [04:42] ;) === NthDegree is 3/4 english 1/4 german :D [04:43] used to be 1/2 german till my mother got english citizenship :p [04:43] heh === Hobbsee is just australian. how boring. === NthDegree prays to lord linus that this bloody kernel works [04:44] lol [04:44] i have a SATA hard disk so life is $h!t for making things work well [04:44] Hobbsee, yea but dont most australians have english blod somewhere down the line ? [04:45] er....ages ago... [04:45] oh and I removed ext2 and 3 support, reiserFS support and XFS support :P [04:45] NthDegree, my sata never give me problems ( hasent yet , knock on wood ) [04:45] imbrandon i get kernel sync panicks whenever I compile my own kernel [04:45] just a sata150 but still ;) [04:46] ouch [04:46] kinda funny my fast hdds are in my slow machines and my fast machines still have pata drives [04:47] sata300 really doesnt make a difference atm anyway [04:47] unless you have a gigabyte i-ram or want NCQ [04:48] Lathiat, yea thats what i';ve heard, my controller supports it but my drives are all sata150 ( 4x 400GB ) [04:48] my PC is just one 225GB you lucky ***** **** *** ******** [04:48] so i doubt i'll bother to buy sata300 drives soon unless i replace my pata drives in my amd64 [04:48] heh [04:48] well i've got 4x300G that are on sata3 [04:49] 00 [04:49] ;) [04:49] hw raid or sw raid ? ( mine is all sw raid 0 ) [04:49] im not raiding them atm [04:49] just 4 disks [04:49] as i buy them incrementally [04:49] but i use unionfs [04:49] unionfs 1.1T 784G 318G 72% /storage [04:49] the best invention i think one can make for linux now is a detection app for optimal kernel config [04:50] makes fo reasy finding things [04:50] NthDegree: just run the ubuntu kernel, easier. :) [04:50] it 'detects' just fine :) [04:50] Lathiat the ubuntu kernel has no reiser4 support and is very bloated with things a dedicated linux user does not need [04:51] like who needs NTFS support if you refuse to use windows or even FAT32 support [04:52] fat32 is nice for macos transfer ( seeing how HPFS+ write support is about par with NTFS write supoort ) [04:52] nice Lathiat === NthDegree implements sudo make -i to avoid error 2 problems from stopping me =] [04:53] NthDegree, but that only matters if you dual boot with Mac OSX like i do on my iBook [04:53] hey, what's the p/w for the live cd? [04:53] and sometimes its just as easy to copy to a samba share on the server [04:53] Hobbsee, unbuntu/ubuntu [04:54] okay [04:54] err ubuntu/ubuntu [04:54] err kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu [04:54] okay, cool [04:54] dad wanted the live cd :P === NthDegree cant use the live cd still [04:55] wont mount FSes - kernel panic not syncing rubbish [04:56] hahaha Hobbsee nice === imbrandon see's Hobbsee slowly convert family [04:56] and now i'm going out, so i cant help him with it... [04:56] nah, that i doubt [04:56] oh well, i'm off...bye all [04:56] l8tr [04:56] i might be able to convert my brother [04:56] cya [04:57] my retarded brother who cant use windows correctly [04:57] lol [04:57] well if he can?t use windows then ubuntu shouldn?t be any harder [04:58] oh and err, hope no-one tells him that if he comes on here for support :p [05:01] we'll be sure to [05:02] lol === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.168] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] NthDegree, just gave him a ring, he said he'll be in IRC in a few moments from the live cd and will join -motu right away to look for you [05:41] and let you walk him through installing it ;) [05:42] lmfao [05:42] he has my speedtouch USB modem so no chance :p [05:46] lol === Rotund [n=joe@69-179-19-207.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=omnip0te@212-1-148-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] meh another kernel with the same old panic problem :( [06:07] whats the error? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] Bye all. Heading to airport. Hope to hear you on TeamSpeak for spec work. [06:44] g'luck, be safe, luke === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === woneck [i=woneck@tor/session/direct/x-14013be37d505a8b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-184.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] i just read about a study that says gnu/linux is more expensive than windows. how can that be true? ( here it is: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx ) [06:59] are they talking about services? [07:00] umm, notice the URL [07:00] LaserJock: i know it's microsoft, but is it not an independent study? [07:00] i think they are quoting some other folks [07:01] well, TBH I'm pretty sure MS can get people to say anything they want [07:01] lol, that's right [07:02] but if that were true, couldn't they be sued for it? [07:02] haha [07:02] of course they could, than can get sued for lots of thing [07:02] doesn't seem to stop them much [07:03] and statistics can be bent to do anything you want pretty much [07:03] right... [07:05] I mean, that's not to say they are totally wrong [07:05] but often you pick out the people with the experiences you want and the studies you want [07:05] I guess that's just marketing [07:05] no, they're mostly wrong just like the Linux/BSD/UNIX guys. No one's completely "right". [07:06] except bddebian because dieties are like that [07:06] yeah [07:07] 512 MB RAM makes baby jebus weep [07:08] but RHEL isn't terribly cheap I don't think [07:08] it's something like $1k/seat iirc [07:12] just as ubuntu server support ( ~$700 year per computer ) [07:13] and then you have MS standards [07:14] even if you have a superior product, the switch can be very costly === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=omnip0te@212-1-148-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] hi all [08:38] how was the exam? [08:41] far too easy [08:41] (fixing dad's computer at the moment) [08:43] crimsun_: how do i change the workgroup of a computer, again? === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. [08:54] Hobbsee: Winders, or Linux? [08:55] linux [08:55] StevenK: ^ [08:55] actually, we may not need it [08:56] Hobbsee: In smb.conf? [08:56] % ssh root@i grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf workgroup = WEDONTSLEEP === StevenK grumbles at gnome-term. [08:57] There was a newline in that output, you turkey! [08:57] StevenK: right [08:57] Hobbsee: Need/Want a hand? [08:57] Hobbsee: And how did you manage to get your Dad using Windows? [08:57] Er.. using Linux? [08:57] My mother asked which version of Windows my Ubuntu laptop was running. :-/ [08:58] haha [08:58] StevenK: his windows fubar'd again, he's on a hoary live cd [08:58] (yeah, ouch) [08:59]