[01:49] <DarkElf109> Two questions: Is it possible to use GDM instead of LDM for the LTSP clients, and if so, how? Further, what's the best way to get local media mounted?
[01:49] <DarkElf109> Oh, heya =)
[01:49] <DanielC> DarkElf109: Upgrade to Dapper.
[01:49] <DarkElf109> Installed from the Dapper CD
[01:50] <DanielC> HedgeMage: I notice that there are no presentation templates for Edubuntu (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations). Can I make one and upload it?
[01:50] <DanielC> DarkElf109: :(
[01:50] <HedgeMage> DanielC: go for it! :D
[01:50] <DanielC> :-)
[01:51] <HedgeMage> can someone recommend a good calendar app?
[01:51] <DanielC> HedgeMage: How do you upload files? is there anything I should keep in mind before uploading?
[01:51] <DanielC> re calendar: No, sorry.
[01:51] <DarkElf109> HedgeMage: iCal's the best I've found...makes me sad I don't have a Mac =P
[01:52] <DarkElf109> HedgeMage: Though, I will say, Yahoo Calendar is very nice
[01:52] <DanielC> I use KAlarm, but that's not a calendar. It's just a reminder program.
[01:52] <HedgeMage> DanielC: I haven't done it, but I think there's a way to attach to a wiki page, ask someone more wiki-literate
[01:53] <DarkElf109> DanielC: For whatever wiki page you want to attach a page to, just add "?action=AttachFile" to the end of the URL
[01:53] <DanielC> HedgeMage: I'm sure I'll find someone who knows. It'll take me a while to do anyways...
[01:53] <DarkElf109> Or, on the drop-down box, select "attachments"
[01:53] <DanielC> DarkElf109: thanks :)
[01:53] <DarkElf109> =)
[01:53] <DanielC> doh!
[01:53] <DanielC> I didn't notice the drop down box.
[01:54] <DarkElf109> Hehe
[01:54] <DanielC> HedgeMage: I'll ask EmxBA to help with the artwork. He seems eager, and it's good to give eager people something to do and a little praise.
[01:55] <DarkElf109> So...no ideas on mounting local media? I know there are ways to do it with the standard LTSP install, but I can't find any that specifically claim to work with Edubuntu
[01:56] <DanielC> DarkElf109: Never tried really.
[01:59] <DarkElf109> Hrm...is the HOTPLUG option in lts.conf recognized yet?
[02:03] <DarkElf109> I forget where the wiki page is, and I know for a fact that it's outfdated =P
[02:08] <DarkElf109> Well, I've gotta go eat, and I found some stuff on the LTSP wiki to try out...I'll let y'all know how it works out =)
[02:08] <DarkElf109> Later
[02:08] <DanielC> l8r
[02:15] <HedgeMage> DanielC_zzz: cool... btw, do you have contact info for RobinShepard?  the email addy he/she gave me must have been typoed because I got my email back
[02:18] <crimsun> Robin Shepheard robin.shepheard at swisp.co.uk   <-- ?
[02:45] <HedgeMage> that's the one I have
[02:45] <HedgeMage> :/
[02:45] <HedgeMage> it bounced
[02:47] <crimsun> ah, sorry, I don't know, then. I pulled that from the edubuntu-devel archive for this month.
[02:49] <HedgeMage> yeah... I wonder if their ISP has my hosting provider blacklisted or something... we were temporarily blacklisted by a couple due to a mistake AOL made
[02:49] <HedgeMage> (why anyone would rely on AOL's blacklist is beyond me)
[02:55] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: you here ?
[02:55] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: for some value thereof :)
[02:58] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: what's up?
[02:58] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I have a freenode issue I need some help with. As I still don't have ops on #doomsday, I need a troublemaker kicked
[02:59] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: can you do that sort of thing ?
[02:59] <HedgeMage> yep, but I have to catch 'em in the act first
[03:15] <HedgeMage> hi Amaranth 
[03:15] <Amaranth> hi
[04:43] <Amaranth> *grumble*
[04:43] <Amaranth> fun broken code
[06:17] <pc22> how do i restore grub? all i have is dapper installer and livecd of hoary?
[06:35] <mhz> pc22: what exactly do you wnat grub to do?
[06:37] <pc22> reinstall grub
[06:37] <pc22> reinstall grub to mbr
[06:46] <mhz> pc22: hmmm
[06:48] <mhz> IIRC, you do that by booting from dapper install.iso and start the process of installing (do not partition anything!) and pressing ESC in order to get you to a list of tasks to perform. Browse that list and get to Install GRUB
[06:49] <mhz> Also, there should be lot of info in google and/or wiki.ubuntu.org
[06:58] <pc22> i did
[06:58] <pc22> all wont wont
[06:58] <pc22> ill try your suggestion
[10:37] <pygi> joy, ubuntu people can now try bonfire :)
[10:38] <DanielC_zzz> kumbaya....
[10:38] <DanielC> :)
[10:38] <pygi> DanielC, hehe :)
[10:38] <pygi> Now I can force everyone to try it :P
[10:47] <pygi> DanielC, try it :P
[10:47] <DanielC> try what?
[10:47] <DanielC> Oh, there is an application called bonfire?
[10:47] <pygi> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1158
[10:47] <DanielC> *click*
[10:48] <DanielC> What's DVD mastering?
[10:49] <pygi> just burning :P
[10:49] <DanielC> :P
[10:49] <DanielC> That sounds boring. If you've seen one CD-burning program you've seen them all.
[10:50] <pygi> DanielC, lies :P
[10:55] <juliux> morning
[10:57] <pygi> mornin' juliux :P
[11:07] <Amaranth> I give up, my bayesian library can try to do log on negative numbers until morning.
[11:10] <Amaranth> i'll make that my project to work on while i'm en route to omaha
[12:05] <EmxBA> hi
[12:05] <EmxBA> hi DanielC
[12:05] <EmxBA> i got your mail
[12:05] <EmxBA> can i private you?
[12:09] <DanielC> HedgeMage: ping?
[12:09] <DanielC> HedgeMage: EmxBA and I were wondering what's the usual copyright license for the Ubuntu wiki.
[12:10] <EmxBA> GNU something, right?
[12:11] <DanielC> We'll find out soon enough, no rush.
[12:11] <EmxBA> ok
[12:11] <EmxBA> np
[12:11] <juliux> DanielC, there was an email about the copyright licens for the ubuntu wiki
[12:12] <DanielC> juliux: I didn't see it. What's the resolution?
[12:12] <juliux> DanielC, i wil see if i have it on my computer
[12:12] <DanielC> I think Ubuntu uses Creative Commons Attribution.
[12:14] <juliux> DanielC, hm i cannt find the e-mail,
[12:14] <DanielC> Ok. It's just good to use the same thing everyone else is using.
[12:14] <DanielC> To avoid incompatibilities that nobody really means to have there.
[12:14] <EmxBA> DanielC: please look at my artwork on http://85.92.241.245
[12:14] <EmxBA> that's my current IP
[12:15] <EmxBA> please understand that i use dialup :)
[12:15] <DanielC> I've seen it. They're the same that you have on the wiki page.
[12:15] <EmxBA> not the same
[12:16] <EmxBA> similar but not the same :)
[12:16] <DanielC> I can't see the difference :)
[12:16] <juliux> EmxBA, i have an open ftp server for ubuntu stuff
[12:16] <EmxBA> can i get some space on it, juliux
[12:16] <juliux> EmxBA, so if you want you can upload your stuff there
[12:16] <EmxBA> tnx
[12:16] <EmxBA> can i private you
[12:16] <EmxBA> ?
[12:16] <juliux> EmxBA, query?
[12:17] <EmxBA> yes
[12:17] <EmxBA> private=query 
[12:26] <EmxBA> folks?
[12:26] <EmxBA> go to http://ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/
[12:26] <EmxBA> my images are there 
[12:27] <DanielC> :)
[12:27] <EmxBA> they are bigger than the old ones
[12:27] <DanielC> Thanks juliux.
[12:27] <EmxBA> i like this blue one
[12:27] <juliux> you are welcome
[12:27] <EmxBA> thanks julixu really
[12:27] <EmxBA> till today i always had to run apache on my dialup connection :)
[12:27] <EmxBA> *thanks juliux
[12:28] <juliux> hehe
[12:28] <EmxBA> do you like the pictures?
[12:28] <juliux> the green one si nice
[12:28] <EmxBA> yes
[12:28] <EmxBA> and blue
[12:29] <EmxBA> there is also glass and cubism
[12:30] <EmxBA> ping all
[12:30] <EmxBA> is there any edubuntu logo 
[12:30] <EmxBA> maybe 1024x768
[12:30] <EmxBA> i need very large logo
[12:35] <Amaranth> i believe the logo itself is SVG
[12:35] <Amaranth> so you could try to scale it up
[12:35] <EmxBA> ok
[12:36] <EmxBA> but i am wondering where can i get only the logo, not the text
[12:36] <EmxBA> just the orange circle
[07:51] <cbx33> hi all
[07:51] <cbx33> anyone else experiencing slow downloads fro the ubutnu servers
[07:59] <mhz> cbx33: nope
[07:59] <mhz> well,
[07:59] <mhz> not tried
[08:00] <lucasvo> cbx33: use bittorrent
[08:16] <georg> Greetings from Austria! I'm just about to deploy edubuntu to a network in school (12 Clients), but i'm worring about running teachingsoftware (nativ-windows). Any experiences?
[08:25] <lucasvo> georg: which software are you talking about? for example 3d software most likely won't run on linux
[08:46] <georg> mostly software provided with schoolbooks
[08:47] <DanielC> georg: Did you promise to anyone that that would work?
[08:47] <georg> not yet :)
[08:47] <DanielC> (running Windows software under Linux)
[08:47] <DanielC> :)
[08:47] <DanielC> Better not to promise anything. Running Windows software under Linux is really hit or miss.
[08:48] <DanielC> Edubuntu can be very useful without running Windows software.
[08:48] <georg> Has anyone experince in "school-business"?
[08:48] <DanielC> Not really. :(
[08:48] <georg> teachers want the software provided with their books
[08:48] <DanielC> Honestly I haven't tried to run Windows software with Edubuntu.
[08:48] <DanielC> I see...
[08:49] <DanielC> Well, that definitely makes sense, but might be tricky.
[08:49] <georg> i thought of terminal sessions
[08:49] <DanielC> I'm more worried about whether wine can run that software.
[08:50] <DanielC> I expect it just comes down to what wine can do.
[08:50] <georg> yup
[08:51] <georg> the problem is that nobody can tell (but they want to know)
[08:51] <DanielC> Do you have a copy of that software? Can you just try it?
[08:52] <DanielC> As a teacher to lend you a book?
[08:52] <DanielC> ask
[08:52] <georg> i could test the software for this year, but everything could change next year
[08:52] <georg> :(
[08:53] <DanielC> That's a problem. Would the software at least be similar?
[08:53] <DanielC> I wouldn't count on wine working.
[08:53] <DanielC> It works well with some programs and is useless for others, and I couldn't predict for which programs it will work.
[08:54] <georg> this IS the problem
[08:54] <georg> any alternative to wine
[08:55] <DanielC> Can you afford a copy of vmware or win4lin?
[08:55] <georg> i thought of citrix,... running on M$
[08:56] <georg> software installation should be very easy (for teachers!)
[08:59] <georg> the best solution would be to buy only school-software running on linux (in my dreams :)
[08:59] <DanielC> :)
[09:00] <DanielC> Can you afford vmware or win4lin though?
[09:00] <DanielC> Are those viable options?
[09:01] <georg> could be, if the price is resonable
[09:02] <georg> but the usage of this classroom is about 4-8 hours per week
[09:03] <georg> users age :6-10
[09:03] <DanielC> Ok.
[09:03] <georg> it should be rather cheap
[09:04] <georg> i think i give wine a try
[09:04] <DanielC> I haven't looked at Win4Lin in years, but last I checked it was affordable.
[09:04] <DanielC> And Vmware expensive.
[09:05] <DanielC> So, you can try wine as an ideal solution and keep win4lin as a fallback if wine doesn't work.
[09:05] <georg> wish me luck :)
[09:05] <DanielC> :)
[09:05] <georg> thanks for talking, bye
[09:05] <DanielC> bye
[09:14] <pc22> im having a badtime restoring my grub, pls help
[09:24] <EmxBA> hi everyone!
[09:31] <pc22> yo
[09:32] <EmxBA> :)
[09:34] <DanielC> pc22: What's the problem with grub?
[09:37] <pc22> i reinstalled xp now grub wont appear
[09:38] <DanielC> Trying to remember how to fix this...
[09:38] <EmxBA> pc22: juts reinstall grub again with live cd or something similar
[09:38] <EmxBA> xp installs ntldr into mbr
[09:38] <DanielC> EmxBA: Yes, but how.
[09:38] <EmxBA> ?
[09:38] <DanielC> With lilo you just run the 'lilo' command.
[09:38] <DanielC> With grub what do you do?
[09:39] <EmxBA> just boot knoppix and edit menu.lst
[09:39] <EmxBA> then grub-install
[09:39] <DanielC> Well, menu.lst should be untouched, so it's just "grub-install" then.
[09:39] <DanielC> Of course, you'd have to chroot first.
[09:40] <pc22> yeah
[09:40] <pc22> i dont know how to mount etc
[09:40] <DanielC> Or you could copy the menu.lst from your partition onto the virtual operating system and run grub-install there.
[09:40] <pc22> i need a step by step heheheh
[09:40] <EmxBA> yes
[09:40] <DanielC> pc22: sure, no problem.
[09:40] <DanielC> pc22: Do you have the computer in front of you?
[09:40] <DanielC> pc22: Step 1 is to boot from a Live CD.
[09:41] <pc22> yea i have it here in my side
[09:41] <DanielC> Now open a terminal.
[09:41] <pc22> ok im using knoppix\
[09:41] <DanielC> Become root.
[09:42] <pc22> ok
[09:42] <DanielC> Make a directory (mkdir ubuntu)
[09:43] <pc22> then
[09:43] <DanielC> Now, do you remember on which partition you installed Ubuntu? (e.g. /dev/hda1)
[09:44] <pc22> hdc1
[09:44] <DanielC> Ok:  mount /dev/hdc1 ubuntu
[09:44] <DanielC> If you type "ls ubuntu" you should see your regular Ubuntu file system.
[09:47] <DanielC> Ok, I'll assume that worked.
[09:47] <DanielC> Then run: chroot ubuntu
[09:47] <DanielC> At this point you are root in your Ubuntu system.
[09:48] <DanielC> Run "grub-install".
[09:48] <DanielC> Now you're done.
[09:48] <pc22> it says hdc1 does not exist
[09:49] <pc22> could it be hd0
[09:49] <DanielC> Run "fdisk /dev/hdc"
[09:49] <DanielC> press p to see a list of partitions on that disk.
[09:49] <DanielC> hd0 can't be right, they are all of the form hd<letter><number>
[09:50] <pc22> unable to open /dev/hdc
[09:50] <DanielC> Try hda or hdb
[09:51] <DanielC> hdc would be an unusual place for your operating system, hda is much more common.
[09:51] <pc22> all unable
[09:51] <DanielC> This is odd...
[09:51] <DanielC> Are you *positive* you are root?
[09:52] <DanielC> My guess is that you aren't.
[09:52] <DanielC> Does the prompt have a # symbol or a $ sign?
[09:52] <DanielC> # means root and $ means regular user.
[09:52] <DanielC> Type "su" to become root.
[09:52] <pc22> yeah im root with knoppix
[09:52] <pc22> #
[09:53] <DanielC> I don't know what to suggest.
[09:53] <pc22> i guess i just have to reinstall 
[09:53] <pc22> anyway thanks a lot
[09:54] <DanielC> Sorry I couldn't help.
[09:56] <pc22> i just jotted down the details
[10:07] <highvoltage> rodarvus: howdy!
[10:07] <rodarvus> hooray :)
[10:20] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:20] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[10:20] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[10:21] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage 
[10:24] <jsgotangco> good evening
[10:25] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[10:25] <jsgotangco> hey cbx33
[10:58] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage
[10:58] <Yagisan> thanks for babysitting the channel earlier
[10:59] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[11:01] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan 
[11:01] <HedgeMage> np
[11:01] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: may I /msg you?
[11:12] <cbx33> tried the recent gisomount?
[11:12] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[11:13] <cbx33> HedgeMage, was it something you said?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> apparently :P
[11:15] <EmxBA> hi again :)
[11:17] <HedgeMage> hi EmxBA get my email?
[11:17] <EmxBA> just a sec
[11:19] <EmxBA> yes, I've seen it now
[11:19] <EmxBA> i am curretly very busy with possible debconf7 in bosnia
[11:19] <EmxBA> but i can arrange something
[11:19] <EmxBA> anyway,  i can help
[11:25] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[11:25] <HedgeMage> just wanted to make sure you got it, had a problem with one of the other addresses it went to
[11:27] <EmxBA> ok
[11:27] <EmxBA> emx@linux.org.ba is right
[11:29] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:29] <EmxBA> :)
[11:29] <EmxBA> np
[11:29] <lucasvo> anybody can offer a summer job in San Francisco, CA?
[11:30] <EmxBA> i cannot
[11:30] <EmxBA> i live in europe :)
[11:33] <EmxBA> i think this image is old
[11:33] <EmxBA> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Installation?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=cdboot.png
[11:34] <EmxBA> when i boot edubuntu cd i just get options "boot live cd" , "safe graphics..." and so..
[12:04] <EmxBA> hehe
[12:04] <EmxBA> you are idle, aren't you
[12:04] <EmxBA> gotta go
[12:04] <EmxBA> see ya
[12:04] <EmxBA> !
[12:04] <ubotu> EmxBA: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/