[04:18] <Madpilot> hi M-Wei|OSX 
[04:18] <M-Wei|OSX> Madpilot: What's ABAT?
[04:19] <Madpilot> ABAT? Not sure - what context?>
[04:19] <M-Wei|OSX> and is it developed by IBM architect or using IBM machine?
[04:19] <M-Wei|OSX> [04:19] <M-Wei|OSX> Ben Collins, Ubuntu kernel hacker extraordinaire, has started automated daily builds of the edgy kernel (2.6.17 based). These daily kernel builds will be used to get better results from IBM's ABAT suite (Ben will have more details on this later) and enable users to help identify more precise points of regressions during edgy development. More testing means even more stable kernels.
[04:20] <Madpilot> hmm... no idea
[04:20] <M-Wei|OSX> Who else knows?
[04:21] <Plug> It appears to be a testing framework for the Linux kernel
[04:21] <Madpilot> try #ubuntu-devel, that's where the coders & hackers hang out
[04:21] <Plug> http://abat.linux.ibm.com/ is down atm
[04:22] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: It seems that it is built by IBM
[04:22] <Plug> automated basic acceptance test
[04:22] <Plug> aha. https://sourceforge.net/projects/abat/
[04:23] <Plug> now why didn't Google turn that up for me the first time?
[04:23] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: Umm, I am a junior translator.=_=
[04:23] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: I've seen that page.
[04:25] <Plug> My inferrence from what I've just read
[04:25] <Plug> is that you build each new kernel
[04:25] <Plug> and then test it with ABAT
[04:25] <Plug> and you will see if something that worked yesterday, failed today
[04:25] <Plug> and if so, you can easily find out which change broke it.
[04:25] <M-Wei|OSX> Does the kernel be sent to IBM?
[04:26] <Plug> No.
[04:26] <mgalvin> Plug: you feel like adding a very brief description of it to UWN Issue 3?
[04:26] <mgalvin> similar to what you just described
[04:26] <M-Wei|OSX> What does "IBM's ABAT" mean.
[04:26] <Plug> I read that to mean ABAT is a framework, and IBM have released a set of tests, using it, for the kernel
[04:27] <Plug> mgalvin: Sure, if you like, but everything I know about it I learnt in the last 10 mins in order to answer M-Wei|OSX's question :)
[04:27] <mgalvin> :)
[04:27] <Plug> I'll just confirm I haven't been spouting complete lies, and then I'll write a paragraph or two.
[04:27] <Plug> Is UWN colllated on the wiki?
[04:28] <mgalvin> i just didn't want to steal your explanation :)
[04:28] <mgalvin> yup
[04:28] <Plug> ok, point me at it
[04:28] <mgalvin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[04:28] <M-Wei|OSX> Is it run on IBM machine or ONLY the ABAT program designed by IBM?
[04:28] <mgalvin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue3
[04:29] <mgalvin> M-Wei|OSX: it runs on anything, its just something IBM developed
[04:29] <mgalvin> as mentioned in UWN, Ben will be providing us with more info in the near future
[04:29] <M-Wei|OSX> mgalvin: That's the answer I need...
[04:30] <mgalvin> i am not certain exactly what he is doing with it
[04:30] <mgalvin> ok cool
[04:30] <M-Wei|OSX> Then, when will the Issue3 be released completely?
[04:31] <mgalvin> M-Wei|OSX: shortly, i am working on finishing it now
[04:32] <mgalvin> as is tonight
[04:32] <mgalvin> as in rather
[04:32] <mgalvin> i will certainly cover it more in depth in coming weeks as Ben fills us in
[04:32] <mgalvin> i know as much as you do at this point :)
[04:33] <M-Wei|OSX> mgalvin: umm....I've translated the older version of this issue to Chinese.
[04:33] <mgalvin> ah cool!
[04:33] <Plug> I've added a short explanation inline, mgalvin.  
[04:34] <mgalvin> i try to release them every saturday night so they arrive for people as a sunday paper type of thing
[04:34] <mgalvin> (saturday night US time anyway)
[04:34] <mgalvin> Plug: thanks!
[04:34] <Plug> Let me know if you want anything else looked at.  (See, I'm already in Sunday, so I have free time ;)
[04:34] <mgalvin> will do :)
[04:34] <mgalvin> 10:30 sat night here :)
[04:35] <M-Wei|OSX> mgalvin: Sunday 10:35 AM in TW
[04:35] <M-Wei|OSX> :)
[04:35] <mgalvin> :)
[04:35] <Plug> no one is ever more in the future than me
[04:36] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: what time is it in your region?
[04:37] <Plug> 2:36pm on Sun
[04:37] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: oh....
[04:38] <Plug> told you.  New Zealand is good like that.  But being in the future means that travelling anywhere fun takes 12 hours on a plane
[04:39] <M-Wei|OSX> Plug: oh.~@_@
[04:39] <M-Wei|OSX> from TW?
[04:39] <Madpilot> there's no teleporters in the future, Plug? ;)
[04:39] <Plug> Not this far into it anyway!
[04:40] <M-Wei|OSX> (In addition, my cousin lives in NZ.)
[04:40] <Plug> While we're on the topic, I'm a demon wiki gnome
[04:40] <Plug> should I just jump into CategoryCleanup?
[04:40] <Madpilot> please do!
[04:44] <Plug> was it decided to drop Howto off page names, f.ex AddingRepositories(Howto) ?
[04:51] <Plug> Also, if I want to define words inside a wiki page, is linking externally ok?
[04:51] <Plug> f.ex our LUG wiki has this to say about a daemon:
[04:51] <Plug> http://www.wlug.org.nz/Daemon
[04:52] <Plug> and I think in the context of the page I'm editing, explaining what a daemon is would be handy
[05:07] <Madpilot> should be fine - and yes, we've been dropping "Howto" from new page names
[05:07] <Plug> But not renaming old ones?
[05:07] <Madpilot> eventually, maybe
[05:08] <Madpilot> especially for stuff like that AddingRepos page, it's linked to from all over - even a substandard URL shouldn't change
[05:24] <Plug> you can use a redirect to a new page name however?
[05:30] <Plug> phew!
[05:30] <Plug> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamAV
[05:30] <Plug> one down. ;)
[06:09] <klepas> Madpilot: ping
[07:43] <nixternal> Plug: i believe you and i are talking via email concerning unison ;)
[07:44] <Plug> yep
[07:44] <nixternal> ok
[07:44] <nixternal> haha
[07:44] <Plug> I should really have connected myself with the nick somewhere along the way
[07:44] <nixternal> i just seen your post up there about clamav and you just said you were working on it in the email
[07:44] <nixternal> hehe
[07:45] <nixternal> i haven't seen you around before...i see you recently started helping out...welcome to the team..and thanks for the help
[07:45] <nixternal> we definately need it
[07:45] <nixternal> tonight im just scouring some of the small pages to work on
[07:45] <Plug> btw, You don't need the =Foo= at the top of the page; the wiki puts that there for you
[07:46] <Plug> don't feel bad if it seems I'm running around cleaning up after you.  My local wiki has a guy that does that to me all the time :)
[07:46] <nixternal> i have gotten used to doing it that way because of the style guide
[07:46] <Plug> Well, I could be totally wrong
[07:46] <nixternal> no it is good...im far from perfect...and if you can make it better all the power
[07:47] <Plug> or the style guide might need a look too :)
[07:47] <nixternal> i follow the style guide, as it seems when i submit my changes they always get approved then via the higher ups
[07:48] <Plug> I might have a different idea about how CategoryCleanup should be applied (reading now it seems pages should be approved before moving them out)
[07:49] <nixternal> exactly...email the ubuntu-docs and let them know you made the changes and upon approval to remove it from CategoryCleanup
[07:50] <Madpilot> klepas, pong
[07:50] <Plug> in that case, someone should check over Shockwave too. :)
[07:51] <nixternal> am i correct Madpilot about that...we shouldn't remove it from CategoryCleanup, but rather email the ubuntu-docs list and let them know changes have been made and then one of the admins will remove it from CatCleanup if approved?
[07:51] <Madpilot> more or less, yeah
[07:52] <Madpilot> given that I'm more or less one of our wiki admins ;)
[07:52] <Plug> Expect some deluge then. :)
[07:52] <Plug> perhaps having another category would be better then
[07:52] <Plug> (CategoryHasBeenCleanedUp-esque)
[07:53] <Madpilot> we've also got CategoryNeedsExpansion, for stuff that's OK but not complete enough - to reduce some of the load on CatCleanup
[07:54] <nixternal> i thought category cleanup went down a little..i see someone went through and added more... ;)
[07:56] <Madpilot> at one point there were only ~170 pages in Cleanup - we've been over 300 for months now :|
[07:56] <Plug> hmmm
[07:56] <Plug> one a day won't make too much of a hit then
[07:56] <Plug> but if ~30 people all do one a day... :)
[07:56] <Madpilot> it all adds up
[07:56] <nixternal> one month wouldn't make much of a hit...because as we clean them, someone is coming right behind and making more that needs to be cleaned up
[07:57] <Plug> (I also have to contend with http://www.wlug.org.nz/InNeedOfRefactor !)
[07:58] <Madpilot> Plug, is that your LUGwiki's version of CatCleanup?
[07:58] <Plug> yeah, basically
[07:58] <Madpilot> heh
[07:58] <Plug> (our wiki is very old and all-encompassing)
[08:03] <Madpilot> Plug & nixternal - nice edits to AddUsers
[08:04] <Plug> AddUsers was just nixternal
[08:04] <Plug> (I removed a whole line)
[08:04] <Plug> I'm interested in feedback on Shockwave and ClamAV though
[08:04] <Madpilot> one thing: if you're adding screenshots, reset your desktop theme to the default one, so we get uniform screenies
[08:04] <nixternal> why thank you
[08:05] <Madpilot> the only problem with AddUsers currently is that there's two different themes visible in the screenshots - and neither is Dapper's default...
[08:08] <nixternal> true
[08:08] <nixternal> now that you said that...i am going to turn a machine into a dually default then
[08:08] <nixternal> and use it just for those reasons
[08:09] <nixternal> truthfully...nix the images..they don't need to really be there
[08:09] <nixternal> as you can follow along quite easily to the write up
[08:09] <Madpilot> nah, screenshots are good
[08:09] <Plug> creating a new account should give you default screenshots
[08:09] <Madpilot> ...although several members of the docteam disagree with me on the value of screenshots...
[08:09] <nixternal> ya...but i don't like logging out of either of my 2 main systems
[08:09] <nixternal> or switchin' user
[08:10] <Plug> Ubuntu lets you log in as another, reasonably easily
[08:11] <Madpilot> System->Quit->Switch User
[08:12] <nixternal> lol
[08:14] <nixternal> kubuntu you just do switch user
[08:14] <nixternal> no quit and all those other menus ;)
[08:15] <nixternal> omg default themes == ewwww
[08:15] <Madpilot> not a fan of Ubuntu Dapper orange? ;)
[08:15] <Plug> What, you don't like... yeah. ;)
[08:15] <nixternal> im a KDE guy
[08:15] <nixternal> and the orange/brown has actually grown on me
[08:15] <Madpilot> omg kde == ewwww ;)
[08:16] <nixternal> when i first tried it a couple of years ago..i ran from Ubuntu laughing, kicking, and screaming
[08:16] <nixternal> like an idiot i ran back to SuSe and Slackware
[08:16] <nixternal> KDE == the winnah
[08:16] <Madpilot> I pulled AddUsers out of CatCleanup - nice work
[08:16] <nixternal> thx
[08:17] <Madpilot> one down, 366 to go :)
[08:17] <nixternal> sweet...the switch users works great
[08:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:17] <nixternal> i am making a scribus fathers day card right now
[08:17] <Madpilot> actually, a lot of the crap in Cleanup shouldn't be there
[08:17] <nixternal> thank god dad is a geek...cuz i totally forgot about tomorrow
[08:18] <nixternal> im making him a dvd card ;
[08:18] <nixternal> my daughter made a geek card i guess using scribus....cuz she runs edubuntu
[08:19] <Plug> Madpilot: got a second to check Shockwave and ClamAV?
[08:19] <Madpilot> just did, actually
[08:19] <Madpilot> they're both out of Cleanup already, I think?
[08:20] <Madpilot> I made a couple of format changes to ClamAV - nothing major
[08:21] <Plug> Yeah, by virtue of me not knowing I shouldnt move them myself
[08:22] <Madpilot> don't worry about it, really
[08:28] <nixternal> wiki and documentation editing/work is way more fun then bug triage ;)
[08:29] <robitaille> nixternal:  some people feel the exact opposite :)
[08:30] <nixternal> hehe im sure they do
[08:30] <nixternal> i did a little traige tonight and found myself falling asleep at times
[08:30] <nixternal> i have kate open with all my default responses...i had to paste at least 20 times tonight ;)
[08:37] <Plug> Whats the format for a #REDIRECT nixternal?
[08:37] <Plug> I'll fix up unison.
[08:37] <nixternal> #redirect PageName
[08:38] <Plug> so I had it right already. :)
[08:38] <Plug> it just didn't give any indication on edit that it would do anything
[08:38] <Madpilot> yup
[08:38] <Madpilot> save it, it'll say "This page now redirect to Foo"
[08:38] <Madpilot> redirects, even
[10:08] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[10:08] <LaserJock> funny meeting you here
[10:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:08] <jsgotangco> hi