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piphoe`Toadstool, what ALL u got to do before sleeptime anyways ??02:08
Toadstoolavoid irc first :)02:11
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Toadstooland finish an important school report I had to deliver yesterday02:11
ToadstoolI'm so late02:11
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zulheylo04:44
ryanakcaehlo zul :)04:47
zulhi ryanakca04:47
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=== Hobbsee pokes the room - all the dev channels are so quiet!
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Hobbseehaha07:03
Kyralzzzz07:14
Kyralmust write....more...perl...dcop...interfaces07:15
Hobbseehehe07:15
Hobbseego Kyral!07:15
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KyralThere is already a DCOP module in CPAN07:15
Kyraland DCOP::Amarok::Playlist07:16
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Gloubiboulgamorning MOTU world07:39
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KyralNight <FINALLY>07:50
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ivokspygi: hi10:17
pygihey ivoks10:17
ivokspygi: did you get SoC project?10:18
pygiivoks, I am mentoring 3 students10:18
ivoksnice10:18
ivokswhat are they doing?10:19
pygiBzr-UI, Gedit bzr plugin, and Evo plugin for syncing with google cal, and palm (and stuff) devices10:19
Amaranthfun10:30
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=== Amaranth wants the first two
Amaranththat reminds me, i need to figure out why my module doesn't give the same output as the one i started with10:31
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phanaticmorning MOTUs10:57
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Toadstool'morning11:29
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Tonio_hey12:02
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\shmoins12:05
siretartmorning12:10
Whoopiecrimsun: who could sponsor the upload for your debdiff in bug #38272?12:10
UbugtuMalone bug 38272 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse "option EmulateWheelTimeout not working" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3827212:10
ajmitchhi siretart12:11
siretarthuhu ajmitch12:11
siretartajmitch: can you help me with an selinux problem?12:12
ajmitchI guess12:12
siretartUpstream's Makefile.am is containing this fragment: http://paste.debian.net/7711, which makes my package FTBFS12:12
ajmitchwhat issues could you have?12:12
siretartat the chcon part (line 13 in the paste).12:12
siretartwhy is upstream doing this? is there a more clever way to do this?12:12
ajmitchthat's marking the library as being broken12:13
ajmitchjust strip it out for now, tar won't store the security label anyway12:13
siretart'broken'?12:13
siretartso I should 'just' remove the whole hook?12:13
ajmitchfrom lines 7-1612:14
ajmitch'broken', because it indicates bad coding, that is being worked around12:14
siretartah. I see. thanks for advice12:14
ajmitchwhat upstream package?12:15
_ionIn a situation like that, one should generally 1) remove the whole block or 2) source-depend on the program and make the block use it without the test.12:15
siretartajmitch: xine-lib12:15
ajmitchfigures12:15
_ion(Well, in 2 the test doesn't cause harm.)12:16
ajmitchthe chcon part is saying that the policy should let it use an executable stack, iirc12:16
siretartChangeLog:  * Fix using xine-lib on systems with SELinux enabled12:17
ajmitch'fix'12:17
siretartfrom upstream changelog :/12:17
ajmitchmight be executable heap, I can't recall :)12:17
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ajmitchhttp://people.redhat.com/drepper/textrelocs.html12:21
ajmitchaha12:21
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_ionTremulous <http://tremulous.sourceforge.net/> would be a nice addition to universe. The code is GPL and the artwork is CC BY-SA 2.512:34
\shi would like to package nexuiz, but I don't find the source tarball, but it's gpl even the artwork12:35
ThiefOfBaghdadAnybody able to upgrade libglib2.0 ?12:35
ThiefOfBaghdadIt keeps poping up err in reading header files12:35
ThiefOfBaghdador rather Bad Header Line12:35
ajmitchThiefOfBaghdad: if it's edgy, then it's known & will be sorted eventually, and people shouldn't expect edgy to work, boot or be functional12:36
ThiefOfBaghdaddapper ajmitch12:36
\shoh nexuiz is alrady on revu12:36
\shold version indeed12:36
ajmitchThiefOfBaghdad: sounds more like a sources.list or mirror problem then12:36
\shsiretart: btw...is it possible to upload an already uploaded package (new version of course) by a different maintainer?12:37
ajmitch\sh: on REVU? yes, it'll overwrite the old one12:37
\shajmitch: ok...I never tried it :)12:37
Hobbseeheya \sh and ajmitch12:38
ajmitchit's happened a couple of times12:38
ajmitchhello Hobbsee12:38
ThiefOfBaghdadI tried all different mirrors ajmitch . "us." "archive." "in." All giving the same crap12:38
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_ionthiefofbaghdad: All of those point to the same addresses.12:39
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ThiefOfBaghdad_ion> can you suggest some other mirror then. It is a problem with these packages only.12:41
ThiefOfBaghdad_ion> Others get upgraded smoothly12:41
ThiefOfBaghdad_ion> this problem has been lingering around for about two weeks now12:42
\shThiefOfBaghdad: can you paste the errors on pastbin pls12:44
\shbut actually it's an #ubuntu question12:44
ThiefOfBaghdadok I will ask there12:44
\shThiefOfBaghdad: no put the error output on pastebin12:45
\shI don't think it's a problem with the archive..because I didn't have problems with archive.ubuntu.com12:45
\shand if there would be a problem, we should have more impact12:45
ThiefOfBaghdad\sh> http://pastebin.com/71620412:47
ThiefOfBaghdadSimilar errors for libtiff4 and 4 other packages12:47
\shThiefOfBaghdad: strange, never had this problem, and us.archive and archive are on the same ip...12:50
ThiefOfBaghdadonly for some 4 packages out of the 8 listed.12:51
\shremove the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/12:51
\shand do an apt-get update again12:51
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\shThiefOfBaghdad: and did it work?01:00
ThiefOfBaghdadupdate going on!01:01
ThiefOfBaghdad\sh> am on snail net :-) 64Kbps!01:03
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tuxmaniac\sh> http://pastebin.com/71622701:12
tuxmaniacsame error01:12
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\shrm /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ; rm /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin01:14
\shI'm sure it's a local problem01:14
ajmitchthis tends to be ISPs having broken stuff in proxies01:14
ajmitchbug 2608301:14
UbugtuMalone bug 26083 in apt "'Bad header line' error trying to update breezy/dapper" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2608301:14
\shwtf01:15
ajmitchproxies can be great for breaking the world01:16
\shoh joy01:18
\shin times where bandwidth is cheap01:20
ajmitchcheap, unless you live in NZ01:21
tuxmaniacOh my god. Then I will never be able to upgrade these 4 packages is it? But other packages load. If it is a proxy problem then none of the packags should load right?01:22
tuxmaniacI mean load -> upgrade01:22
\shno01:22
\shsome files are in the cache which are broken01:23
\shand those files you likely need to update, and after the cache is not cleaned from those broken data files (by your isp) it could be a fun game01:23
\shsolution: kick your ISP or use another one without a proxy ;)01:24
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ajmitchnight all02:00
Hobbseenight ajmitch02:02
siretartre02:12
\shre siretart02:12
siretart\sh: question answered?02:13
\shsiretart: yepp02:13
\shboah...it's too hot here02:13
kelmohow hot?02:13
\shI'll hang my washing and go to a query pond02:14
siretartkelmo: heyho02:14
\shin my flat? 40-45 degrees02:14
\shunder the roof02:14
kelmocrap, that is way too hot for comfort02:14
siretartkelmo: here at least 38 degrees02:14
kelmogday siretart02:14
\shsiretart: in the shadow?02:15
kelmowell, we had similar temps for quite a few months down in these parts ;-)02:15
siretartkelmo: I think we should file a RC bug to prevent propagation of wpasupplicant to testing. what do you think?02:15
\shkelmo: where is "down in these parts"?02:15
kelmo\sh: brisbane, australia02:15
siretart\sh: in my room here. outside I'm not sure, but 30 minimum02:15
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\shkelmo: oh .. down under ;) well you are able to take those temperatures ;)02:16
kelmosiretart: if you think that is what is best for the project, i am not sure02:17
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siretartkelmo: I think we should have some more testing in unstable.02:17
paniqokay, what is the new testing then? ;)02:18
paniqerr, unstable.02:18
siretartkelmo: so that we have more time to consider reverting to 0.4 branch02:18
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kelmosiretart: i'd suggest making having that conversation on the list in the coming days, and make a decision before EOW02:19
kelmos/making//02:19
siretartkelmo: Ok. agreed02:20
kelmosiretart: i would need time to think thoroughly about that, and that won't be tonight ;-)02:21
kelmosiretart: and maybe Kyle and/or others would have voice too02:21
siretartsure02:21
kelmobut basically, you are asking the wrong man, 0.5 has features which i like ;-) so i need to put those feeling aside and think objectively about the larger picture02:22
\sh.oO(there is no future, until you shape the future yourself ;))02:23
paniq.oO(jesus christ is our saviour. no, wait...)02:27
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kelmosiretart: what concerns do you have? mostly fact that it is not the stable version as tagged by upstream?02:46
kelmoor other concerns too?02:46
siretartkelmo: my concerns are a) bugs in the 0.5 branch, (not that unlikely, because I expect more test coverage on 'stable' branches), and that the 0.5 branch is too much in flux, read: behavior changes in subsequent releases of that branch02:47
kelmosiretart: 100% understood02:50
kelmomost recent changesets are focusing on the win32 port . . .02:52
kelmoi have never got around to trying the win32 wpa_supplicant02:53
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pianoboy3333Anyone know of a deb for libncurses version 4?06:41
pianoboy3333bleh06:41
pianoboy3333sorry06:41
pianoboy3333Does anyone know of a deb for libnotify version 4?06:41
\shchecked packages.debian.org in experimental?06:42
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Kyralhmm06:49
KyralI may have to package a couple Perl modules...06:49
Kyralyah I have to....06:51
Kyralthe DCOP module isn't in Ubuntu...06:51
\shuse python for qt/kde  stuff it's better and easier to read06:51
KyralPsh06:52
KyralI can use whatever I like06:52
Kyraland my perl code can be read :P06:52
KyralThats odd...there was a dcopperl package in Debian Woody06:52
Kyralhmm maybe...06:52
Kyraldamnit they are only for KDE206:53
Kyraland this is just a way for me to script Konversation things06:55
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KyralBesides I'm learning Perl right now ;P06:58
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chantrahi, I'm having troubles to generate the .source.changes file when packaging07:22
chantracan somebody help me out07:22
Sp4rKy|AWAYwhat' s your issue ?07:24
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chantrawell, I do compile the package fine using dpkg-buildackage -rfakeroot -kmykey07:25
chantrawhen then I want to generate the source;changes using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S -kmykey07:26
chantrathere is no source.changes file appearing :s07:26
chantraI don't know what I'm missing here07:26
chantraSp4rKy:07:26
Gloubiboulgado you have an error message?07:27
Sp4rKychantra, do you have a valid orig filename ?07:28
Sp4rKychantra, it should be <yourpackage>_<yourversion>.orig.tar.gz07:29
chantraSp4rKy: yes, At least I guess :)07:29
chantraSp4rKy: Gloubiboulga this is what I get when signing the files:07:30
chantraMerged changes with ../subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes signfile ../subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_i386.changes07:30
chantraand then, there is no source.changes in the directory07:30
Sp4rKyGloubiboulga, i let you solve this issue , i know nothing about merging07:31
chantra:)07:31
Sp4rKyGloubiboulga, i hope you'll learn to me07:31
chantrathis procedure should be fine compare to what is told at07:32
chantrahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU07:32
Gloubiboulgacould you paste the entire output you got when running 'dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa'?07:33
GloubiboulgaI'll have a look after dinner if nobody find a solution 'til then ;)07:34
chantrashall I privmsg to you?07:35
Gloubiboulgachantra, paste the text on http://pastebin.com, it's easier07:38
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chantraGloubiboulga: here it is:07:39
chantrahttp://pastebin.com/71681407:39
Gloubiboulgachantra, doyou have the same problem if you remove the *changes files before creating the source package?07:48
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chantraGloubiboulga: no, it create but I can't upload to revu :s07:54
chantraChecking Signature on .changes07:54
chantragpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.07:54
chantragpg: the signature could not be verified.07:54
chantrawhile doing dput07:55
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Gloubiboulgachantra, your key has been added by a REVU admin?07:55
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chantrayep07:56
chantraif i upload the i386.changes (not source.changes) it uploads fine07:56
Gloubiboulgaodd07:57
chantrayep07:58
Gloubiboulgawhat's your package name?07:58
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jpatricknp: "And It Rained All Night" - Thom Yorke | The Eraser [amaroK] 08:00
Kyralwhoops wrong channel08:00
KyralI wish I could understand how this perl DCOP module works08:00
jpatrickKyral: now you've made start08:01
chantraGloubiboulga: subtitleeditor-0.8.108:01
Kyraljpatrick: huh?08:01
jpatrickon the now playing thing ;)08:01
Kyrallol08:01
KyralI ment to send it into #ubuntuforums08:01
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_ionOn the Thom Yorke thing. ;-)08:01
jpatrickThon Yorke is god08:02
_ionNot to mention Bjrk.08:02
KyralI should learn Ruby08:02
_ionkyral: Yes.08:02
KyralThis month's Linux Journal is practically devoted to it08:02
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Kyralhow are the Ruby bindings to DCOP?08:02
_ionI have no idea.08:03
jpatrick_ion: have you listened to his "solo" album?08:03
_ionjpatrick: Nope.08:03
\shKyral: you don't want to use ruby08:03
\shKyral: ;)08:03
_ionsh: Yes, he does. ;-)08:04
_ionFight! Fight!08:04
Gloubiboulgachantra, you might want to ask to a REVU admin, I can't really help... sorry08:04
\shsorry, I just had in the office some ruby code08:04
chantrawho are they?08:04
chantraGloubiboulga:08:04
\shchantra: what's up?08:04
_ionSome Ruby propaganda, written by me: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/stuff/python-ruby/08:04
Gloubiboulgachantra, \sh is an admin :)08:04
Kyral\sh: You just said I didn't want to learn Perl :P08:05
chantra\sh: I can generate the source.changes when dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S kmykey08:05
Kyral\sh: Python zealot :P08:05
chantra\sh: see http://pastebin.com/71681408:05
\shKyral: no..perl and python ;08:05
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\shchantra: give me a sec08:05
chantraokie dokie08:06
KyralBash has bindings to EVERYTHING :D08:06
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\shchantra: did you send a signed mail to keyring@revu.tauware.de08:06
chantrayep, I already managed to upload files08:06
chantra\sh: like http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=231308:07
\sh-rw-------  1 siretart revu    2026 2006-06-18 13:15 subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1.dsc08:07
\sh-rw-------  1 siretart revu    1465 2006-06-18 13:16 subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_i386.changes08:07
\sh-rw-------  1 siretart revu  433872 2006-06-18 13:16 subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb08:07
\shthat's the problem08:07
chantra?08:07
\shyou uploaded a binary package :)08:07
\shnot a source package08:07
Kyraldpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot :D08:08
chantrawell, as I can't get to upload source.changes I gave a try with i386.changes08:08
\shno...source.changes08:08
\shchantra: and use pbuilder :)08:08
chantramy problem in the first place (I guess) Is that I can't generate source.changes08:08
\shdebuild -S -sa08:08
\shwill do what you want08:08
siretartuploading binary package is a really bad idea08:08
\shI just removed it from incoming08:08
chantraI used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S -kmykey08:09
siretartsince it requires manual interaction of a revu admin to get it removed from the queue08:09
chantrasorry \sh and siretart :s08:09
\shchantra: if you just need a source package :) use debuild -S -sa08:09
chantraokie, k=give it a try08:09
\sh(the -k<yourkey> is integrated because it takes your uid from changelog)08:09
chantraokie08:09
\shwe need a ubuntu motu school revival08:10
Kyralhehe soon I'll be upstream for you guys lol08:10
\sh_ion: I had a piece of ruby code which should have shown a tftpd server written in ruby..but it was crap...08:11
_ionsh: Ugly code can be written in any language. :-)08:11
\sh_ion: written by a very cool student...no sysadmin is writing scripts in ruby for daily business08:11
chantra\sh: I get the following error:08:11
\sh_ion: yes, but not in Ops :)08:11
chantra dpkg-genchanges -S -sa08:11
chantradpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload08:11
chantradpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)08:11
chantradpkg-buildpackage: ../subtitleeditor_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_i386.changes has no architecture field!08:11
KyralThats what shell scripts are for!!08:11
chantradebuild: fatal error at line 768:08:11
chantradpkg-buildpackage failed!08:12
KyralNO PASTE!!08:12
chantrawoops, sorry08:12
chantranot even 5 line :p08:12
Kyralsorry reflex response08:12
\shremove _i386.changes08:12
chantra:)08:12
\shand everything you don't need08:12
\shcd into the debianized source dir, and debuild -S -sa08:13
\shit will work, if not then there is something else totally wrong08:13
chantra\sh: , you rock :)08:14
\shchantra: no...I headbang normally ;)08:14
chantraI should have made its way up08:14
chantra\sh: :)08:14
\shtiber needs more ram08:15
chantrathanks again \sh ... gonna upload a bunch of packages :p08:17
\shchantra: np08:18
\shchantra: thx for your work and contribution08:18
chantraa pleasure :)08:19
\shoh wow it rains08:22
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marcin_anthi guys09:13
marcin_antI got a question09:13
\shwe all have ;)09:13
\shat least one ;)09:13
marcin_antI would like to run and also prepare package with some python based webapp09:13
marcin_antwell maybe in fact not webapp - web framework that one can use to write webapp09:14
marcin_antand my question is how to prepare configuration scripts09:14
marcin_antI think that after installation every user should be able to run this framework in his home dir09:15
marcin_antjust like with mod_userdir in apache09:16
marcin_antis there any _good_ policy that could tell how to do this?09:16
\shmarcin_ant: so he has to install it into his homedir?09:17
marcin_antwell no09:17
\shor just a special configuration for apache to activate the framework?09:18
\shyou need to package it e.g. like moinmoin09:18
\shand find a way to prepare a working apache2 configuration which works09:18
marcin_antinstallation should go to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages09:19
\shyes normal python policy09:19
marcin_antbut then I would like to provide configuration for apache09:19
marcin_antso user should have an ability to run this app from his http://localhost/~username09:20
marcin_antwithout any problems09:20
\shmarcin_ant: provide a default configuration for it in /etc/apache2/sites-available09:20
siretartwwaargh..09:20
siretartanyone experience with cmake?09:20
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\shsiretart: grmpf...sometime ago...09:21
siretart$package requires an out of source build. Please create a separate build directory and run...09:21
siretartwtf?!09:22
marcin_ant\sh: yes but with sites-available I will provide only systemwide url to this webapp right?09:22
\shmkdir /tmp/buildir ?09:22
\shmarcin_ant: if mod_userdir is enabled you need to stick this configuration to it09:22
marcin_ant\sh: while it's not 100% webapp - it's framework that allows to write python based webapps09:22
\shsiretart: like building the kernel with a separate object dir?09:23
siretart\sh: now it complains that it doesn't find CMakeLists.txt09:23
siretart\sh: this is boson, a kde based game :/09:23
\shsiretart: yes, I know boson ;) I had the pleasure :)09:23
siretartwhy does everyone need to invent his own build system, which ftbfs with funny errors09:23
\shcmake is not stable enough as far as  I read09:24
\shsiretart: would be an idea to ask in #kde4-devel09:24
siretart\sh: you have? do you happen to have some packages for version 0.12?09:24
\shsiretart: no...last time it was b0rked because of old self-shipped kdegames09:24
\shincludes09:24
\shsiretart: you remember?09:24
siretart\sh: I remember there was foo with boson 0.1109:25
siretartthat version didn't use cmake yet09:25
\shsiretart: yes..then I gave up09:25
siretartwe have a quite usable version of 0.11 now. I'm was looking if I could upgrade it to new upstream09:25
siretartbut cmake is annoying me..09:25
\shcan't you revoke to gnu make?09:26
siretarthow?09:26
\shsiretart: there should be a documentation for that.09:27
\shwait a minute .... phone09:27
\shsiretart: wich package are you using? this all in one package?09:29
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zusocfc_Hi, all09:33
zusocfc_BlueT_: !!!09:33
siretart\sh: the split one, the code package atm09:34
zusocfc_Excuse me.. I've some questions about upload files.09:34
zusocfc_siretart: Hi..09:34
siretartzusocfc_: hi. (don't ask to ask. just ask)09:35
BlueT_zusocfc_: :)09:35
BlueT_zusocfc_: first time been here? :)09:36
zusocfc_BlueT_: Yeah...09:36
BlueT_zusocfc_: :-309:36
siretartwhich package is supposed to contain KDE3Config.cmake?09:36
\shkdelibs4 ?09:37
zusocfc_siretart: in the mail which your reply, you said that I need to upload file right now?09:37
\shfrom kde409:37
\shkdelibs4 (aka kde3) is still automake foo09:37
zusocfc_BlueT_: could I type in Chinese?09:37
siretart\sh: at least something I can handle09:38
BlueT_zusocfc_: no. plz use english here :)09:38
zusocfc_BlueT_: OK, sry09:38
\shsiretart: didn't work the install docu in code/INSTALL?09:39
\shjust create an object dir09:39
_ion09:41
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BlueT__ion: !!!!09:41
zusocfc__ion: =  ="09:41
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siretart\sh: it still complains about not finding KDE3Config.cmake09:42
zusocfc_BlueT_: it's all my fault XD09:42
zusocfc_Orz09:42
BlueT_zusocfc_: what fault?09:42
\shsiretart: it's not shipped by default kde09:42
zusocfc_BlueT_: let ion type in chinese @@09:42
siretart\sh: so the source is borked and I cannot build it? wtf?09:42
siretartthis doesn't make kde nor cmake more pleasant for me :/09:43
\shsiretart: yes :)09:43
siretartnot to speak about boson :/09:43
\shkde is not at fault09:43
BlueT_zusocfc_: hahaha, that's not any fault at all :)09:44
zusocfc_BlueT_: >///<09:44
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BlueT_zusocfc_: we have to respect this world wide channel :p09:45
zusocfc_BlueT_: :)09:45
\shsiretart: the best thing to do is to ask against which version of kde they are compiling...if it's kde4 you are fcked09:45
siretart\sh: it is explicitly asking for kde309:46
\shsiretart: hmm...09:46
\shsiretart: let's see where this cmake file is09:48
zusocfc_BlueT_: sleep, night.09:49
BlueT_zusocfc_: nite :)09:50
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Riddell-awatesters needed on teamspeak09:58
\shsiretart: looks like that it comes with a new cmake?10:02
\shRiddell-awa: which server?10:03
siretart\sh: define 'new' cmake?10:03
\shsiretart: new version of cmake...I don't know which version are you using10:04
siretartI'm using 2.2310:04
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\shsiretart: latest is 2.4.210:04
Riddell-awa\sh: https://dot.kde.org/1150654117/10:05
Riddell-awaer, no10:05
Riddell-awateamspeak.uds.canonical.com10:05
\shanonymous login?10:06
\shserver password?10:07
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whiprush_hey this is pretty neat10:12
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ajmitchmorning11:50
\shmoins ajmitch11:50
mvirkkilevening ajmitch11:51
mvirkkilor night, even :)11:51

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