=== th1a [n=hoffman@pool-70-109-211-190.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan is now known as Yagisan_ === Yagisan_ is now known as Yagisan === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.196.192] has joined #edubuntu === stevesmith [n=steve_@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust191.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] hey all === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [01:59] hi Burgundavia [01:59] what's up? [02:00] not mucg [02:00] recovering from my trip [02:03] :) [02:03] leave again Wednesday, so don't have much time for Ubuntu [02:04] aww [02:04] you're allowed to have a real life, you know ;) [02:04] yep, this one pays the bills too [02:05] heh I could use one of those === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:45] hi arkan0x [02:45] hi HedgeMage === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0__ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-str.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === ph0tek [n=ben@ip70-173-73-98.fv.dl.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jane__ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in [05:55] is it just me or has it been a while since we last did an edubuntu newsletter? [05:57] been a while iirc === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage ponders [06:00] I think when highvoltage is next around, I'll prod him to set up an area on the web site so they're easier to keep track of. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-127-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.196.192] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=pc22@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu [08:15] hiya highvoltage === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [08:15] hiya HedgeMage [08:15] what's up? [08:15] how are things? [08:16] well, first day of ubuntu summit about to start in ~45 minutes [08:16] not bad... just the usual. I actually had something I wanted to ask you if you have a moment. [08:16] just checking mail and stuff [08:16] sure [08:17] Do we currently have a spot on edubuntu.org for the newsletters, or could you would you make one? [08:17] hey highvoltage === Burgundavia wishes he were in Paris === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [08:19] aha, jsgotangco the other person I wanted to bug on that subject if possible [08:19] bonjour madamoiselle HedgeMage [08:20] Hiya hon, enjoying your trip so far? [08:20] pretty good we went to the lourve yesterday and did the tourist thing [08:21] I am sooo jealous! === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-150-233.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:23] jsgotangco: I just suggested to highvoltage that it might be nice to make a spot on the web site for the newsletters so they are a bit more promenant. I've had a few people ask about it, and I had to dig it up from list archives. [08:24] jsgotangco: I was also wondering if I could write a small spot on Cookbook progress for future ones. [08:24] HedgeMage: that's a good idea [08:24] HedgeMage: i'll get that in [08:25] highvoltage: thanks :) [08:25] that'll save me pasting it into emails for people ;) [08:26] yeah. [08:26] hold on [08:26] highvoltage: also, is it meant to be a monthly thing or how often? (so I know when I should be writing these) [08:26] sorry, meant jsgotangco ^^^ [08:27] hold on talking to my wife explaining why i spent 10 on water alone hahaha [08:27] rofl [08:27] hi jsgotangco's wife! [08:28] heh [08:28] dude 4 for a bottle of spring water [08:28] its much cheaper to grab a pepsi [08:28] wow [08:28] that's like $7 US or thereabouts, isn't it? === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [08:29] hi LaserJock_ [08:29] hi [08:31] HedgeMage: I don't have any pictures yet, highvoltage has got some goods ones though [08:31] cool :) [08:31] I can't wait [08:31] are you having fun? [08:32] yeah [08:33] little sleep [08:33] but fun [08:34] :) [08:34] I wish I were there with you guys :) [08:35] yeah [08:35] we had some good edubuntu discussions already [08:35] oooh! like? [08:36] I'm sorry, you probably don't want to sit here and rehash it all :) [08:36] don't worry about it [08:37] HedgeMage: i don't have my camera cable with me, i'll upload tonight :) [08:37] highvoltage: np... I know you all are busy with things more important than letting my live vicariously your adventures ;) [08:37] HedgeMage: one laptop per child [08:38] HedgeMage: what we want to see in the futur in Edubuntu === HedgeMage nods [08:38] BTW, while I have all of you busy people in here... anyone have a good calendar app for Linux? [08:39] hmm [08:40] evo? I think you can get sunbird too [08:40] I'll try 'em both. [08:40] HedgeMage: get Dates. It runs on top of eds [08:40] eds? [08:41] evolution-data-server [08:41] ahh [08:41] the backend part of evo [08:41] http://projects.o-hand.com/dates [08:41] I don't use evolution for mail, so I'd prefer something more stand-alone... [08:41] it is standalone, that is the brilliant part [08:42] ooh [08:42] interesting [08:42] all it uses is the same backend, but that means it also integrate into your panel just like evo [08:42] it is the direction evo should be taking [08:42] I used to use a paper planner, I really like that better, but, well, I have a toddler :P [08:42] it's just one more thing I have to keep out of his reach [08:43] so I want to *try* keeping my calendar on the laptop once it's back from surgery [08:43] yep [08:43] I have tried and failed [08:43] my boss uses emacs for all that [08:43] anyway, need to sleep [08:43] LaserJock_: you can use emacs for everything! [08:43] LaserJock_: especially for catching up on email, usenet, and IRC while dumb TAs see emacs and think you are coding [08:44] hehe [08:44] HedgeMage: cal? [08:45] hrm, was hoping to narrow it down to one or two to try... [08:45] in Linux? never! [08:45] rofl === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] hi rodarvus ;-) [08:48] good morning :) [08:48] rodarvus: how was breakfast? [08:48] hi rodarvus [08:49] good, good, I'm full :) [08:49] HedgeMage, hi there! === sankar [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [08:49] :) [08:50] whohoo! party time! everyone's showing up in here now :) [08:56] highvoltage: what's the url for your blog? [08:57] That reminds me, I need to blog some more === sankar is now known as sankarshan [09:22] jsgotangco: any idea when I should have a cookbook blurb for you for the newsletter? [09:23] well if you want you can also liaise with mgalvin if im not around, he published the newsletter every weekend [09:24] ahh cool [09:25] every weekend? I think I've missed some... I only got the first one, which I believe you posted. [09:25] must have lost 'em when my lappy died [09:25] we dont publish different newsletters anymore we've just created one big newsletter covering all projects === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] ahh okay [09:27] that's why I was confused then [09:27] I somehow thought Edubuntu was just doing them less often [09:28] I'm glad I asked about it :) [09:28] sorry about the confusion [09:28] np, I'm easily confused :) === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:47] pygi: you got a sec? [09:48] ok, i think i have my bayesian stuff working now [09:48] but i cheated [09:48] oh hang on maybe I can do this another way [09:48] i went back to the original "load everything in memory at once and pickle it to save" code [09:48] Amaranth: hehe [09:49] i'll probably spend the week reading research papers so i can figure out how all of this really works [09:49] :p [09:49] i only have an elementary understanding right now [09:49] cbx33: hi! [09:50] hey LaserJock_ [09:50] you in paris? [09:50] yes [09:50] excellent === cbx33 is stupid [09:51] sitting next to ogra, rodarvus, highvoltage, jsgotangco, and jdub [09:51] say hi to them all for me :p === jsgotangco waves [09:52] cool [09:52] I'm so angry I didn't know I had to add my specs to the Paris Summit [09:52] i wish i could be there :( [09:52] I missed getting them in the approval line :( [09:53] Evolution notified me that i had a meeting called "Ubuntu Developer Summit" and i got sad === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === LaserJock_ is now known as LaserJock [09:56] cbx33: ah, not to worry, I don't think it will matter too much === dindatx [n=dinda@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 is having python nightmares [09:57] heh === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.196.192] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] LaserJock: howz it going, what's it like? [10:07] "Handling Redundancy In Email Token Probabilities" [10:07] Looks like a fun read. [10:07] Amaranth: know much python? [10:08] yeah [10:08] couod I pick ya brains? [10:08] it's a quickie [10:08] btw, it's only 9am (i think) in paris [10:08] so i doubt they've done much yet [10:08] hehe true true [10:08] ask away [10:08] ok, I need to create a progress bar for the output of rsync [10:09] cbx33: it's pretty cool, had breakfast with Mark [10:09] LaserJock: ex ellent ...WOW [10:09] Amaranth: I'm trying to read the stdout [10:09] with a PIPE [10:09] we had like 15-20 guys hanging out in the lobby [10:10] trying to read the stdout? [10:10] but you generate the stdout [10:10] from rsync [10:10] ah [10:10] I'm using a subprocess [10:10] good luck with that [10:10] ok [10:11] thought you might say something like that [10:11] i've never done it [10:11] it's not easy [10:11] I'm trying to use read() [10:11] and specifying some byte size [10:11] This paper is so boring I think I'd rather go do some mathematical proofs. [10:11] heheh [10:11] And I hate doing proofs. [10:11] ah derivations were soooo boring but sometimes so satisfying === cbx33 used to love maths === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu [10:12] but truth is I've probably forgotten a lot of it by now === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [10:12] non-linear differential equations in 3 dimensional space....ahhh....what a giggle === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [10:12] 'It is useful for us to assume a "null hypothesis" that the f(w)'s are drawn from a population of random variables that is uniformly distributed and statistically independent. This assumption is false, of course.' [10:13] hehe [10:13] ahhh hypotheses [10:13] so anything you would give me a tip on Amaranth [10:13] with the whole python and reading stdout [10:14] os.popen('rsync foo') [10:14] err [10:15] fd = os.popen('rsync foo') [10:15] while data = fd.read(1024): [10:15] print 'i should do something' [10:15] you can't really do that while line [10:15] but it's a quick explanation of what to do [10:17] cbx33: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=show&file=faq23.020.htp === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [10:19] cbx33: james is online as jamesh, but he may be busy [10:21] hi DanielC === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] highvoltage: how's your power? [10:52] hanxs crimsun [11:20] What's the usual Ubuntu runlevel? I ran the "runlevel" command and it says 2. Shouldn't that be 5? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] ping? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] Ok, a few people just entered the room. Maybe someone can tell me the usual Ubuntu runlevel. [11:21] The "runlevel" command says "2" but I was expecting "5". [11:21] Isn't 5 the runlevel for networking+X11 ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [11:39] jsgotangco, highvoltage, rodarvus : power? [11:39] im connected at jdub's uber extension [11:39] heh, me too [11:40] I need to connect my laptop to a powersource === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp286.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [11:40] hi! [11:41] you you have any free spot on the connector, I'd be very thankful :) [11:41] anyone heard of my artwork? [11:41] now it is available at ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/edubuntu [11:42] thanks guys :) [11:47] LaserJock: i'm fine for now thanks [11:48] hi highvoltage [11:48] haven't seen you for days :) === cbx33 is baffled are you guys not sitting right next to each other? [11:50] or are you tryingto give us the Paris experience :p [11:50] anyone coming to possible debconf7 in sarajevo, bosnia and herzegovina? [11:50] hey ogra, ograsync is getting there :) I have the rsync tie in working fine :p [11:51] Does anyone know the default runlevel of Ubuntu? When I run "runlevel" it says 2. Shouldn't that be 5? (networking+XWindows). === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp286.bih.net.ba] has left #edubuntu [] === highvolt1ge [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.153.227] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] DanielC: like most, if not all, Debian-based distros, it's 2. [12:15] crimsun: That's interesting. [12:15] DanielC: Debian doesn't play runlevel games. Runlevels 2-5 are identical. [12:16] I see. [12:16] Thanks for the info. [12:16] np === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-37-157.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [12:46] why is it the line DanielC: Debian doesn't play runlevel games. keeps putting the word Quake into my head [12:46] it's too early [12:46] he he [12:46] You a quake fan? [12:47] yeh... [12:47] well was [12:47] ok :) [12:48] I sucked at it. 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[01:52] cbx33: yes === sankar [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:01] bbl school === sankar is now known as sankarshan === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === chungtao [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-9-234.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-9-234.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ is now known as jsgotangco === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.196.192] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=ba_sjj1_@208.51.23.195] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] hi === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ is now known as jsgotangco === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === artisan [n=dad@p57A2F675.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [04:09] woot [04:09] anyone near ogra? [04:11] cbx33: yes, about 300km === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:30] G'day jsgotangco [04:30] hi [04:31] jsgotangco: thanks to our resident HedgeMage I have a shiny new cloak :) [04:31] really? [04:31] jsgotangco: so, what have you been up to ? [04:31] jsgotangco: yep. [04:32] Yagisan: im in paris beside ogra [04:32] lucky guy === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [05:14] To use ltsp do I need to grab edubuntu or can I grab xubuntu and apt-get ltsp? [05:15] Use edubuntu [05:16] DanielC: And then just apt-get xubuntu? [05:16] I'd guess: xubuntu-desktop [05:16] Note: I haven't tried this myself. [05:16] ok [05:17] I'll give that a try [05:17] Let me know if it works, I'd be interested to know. [05:18] well, thats how I did it last time [05:19] but I was curious if I could avoid getting all the gnome and kde stuff [05:19] Yes you can, but it's probably more difficult. [05:20] Installing xubuntu-desktop afterwards is easier than configuring ltsp afterwards. [05:20] ok [05:20] But you can try it that way. You *will* get it to work eventually. I've never done it, but it can certainly be done. [05:21] hrm [05:21] I might play with doing it that way then [05:21] jsut for the hell of it [05:21] It would be a learning experience. [05:21] If I get a chance I think I'll try that too on a test server. [05:22] yep, if its not difficult I could write a how-to [05:22] DanielC: Dapper or Edgy? [05:23] Dapper [05:23] ok [05:27] Petaris: it is easier to install edubuntu first, but no, you don't need edubuntu installed to set up ltsp [05:28] Petaris: you can install xubuntu, then install ltsp, you'll just need to manually configure ltsp [05:28] Yagisan: ok, I'm going to try using xubuntu as the base just to try it [05:28] Yagisan: Is it the latest ltsp? [05:28] Petaris: I used normal ubuntu as the base for myself [05:28] What's the advantage of using Xubuntu other than personal preference? [05:28] I heard there is a new version out [05:28] Petaris: in dapper ? yes [05:29] Petaris: ltsp.org and ubuntu ltsp work differently [05:29] DanielC: less overhead for terminals [05:29] Petaris: ubuntu's ltsp is the next generation version [05:29] Gnome really adds overhead on the terminals? [05:29] Yagisan: oh damn, thats right [05:29] DanielC: compared to xfce4 it does [05:29] Petaris: sudo aptitude install ltsp and it's installed. Then you need to configure it [05:30] ok [05:30] Yagisan: right [05:30] DanielC: When you are running a number of clients the overhead adds up [05:30] its not like just running a single instance [05:32] It isn't? [05:32] Isn't that the whole point of using thin clients? [05:32] That you don't have to duplicate the heap for every user? [05:33] you get an instance for each client [05:33] the point is low cost hardware and easy upgrade/managability [05:33] But running two instances of Gnome on the same computer still shares the same heap. [05:33] It's just the user data that changes. [05:33] (and hence, can't be shared) [05:34] The reason why the hardware is low cost is that you're not duplicating everything for every user. [05:39] low cost hardware because no disk drives, and the bulk of the processing is done server side [05:40] The reason why the server doesn't require the resources of 20 computers to run 20 clients is that you are not replicating everything. [05:40] If a regular computer requires 512MB of RAM, running LTSP with 10 terminals does not require 5120MB of RAM. [05:41] In fact, 1-2GB will do. [05:41] Because 90% of what's in RAM is the heap (the code itself for the application) and that stuff is not replicated. [05:41] It's the same reason why having two Firefox windows open doesn't take up twice as much RAM as having one. [05:43] My perception in running is that xfce is faster and lighter then gnome [05:43] I'm not arguing with that :) [05:43] and thus was a better choice for a thin-client enviornment [05:43] I didn't say Gnome was as fast as xfce. I said that you're not duplicating all of gnome for each user. [05:44] perhaps not [05:44] Whether it's better depends on what you are trying to accomplish. [05:44] for me xfce does what I need [05:46] I would love to know why OO.org eats so many more resources on edubuntu then on k12ltsp [05:46] I wonder what the difference is [05:47] was OO.org modified on one of these distros? [05:47] No idea. [05:47] hrm [05:47] hrm [05:48] its odd === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [05:48] but then again the fc/redhat group is known for doing wierd things in packages === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === dm [n=dm@p54B3427E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === dm [n=dm@p54B3427E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #edubuntu ["Verlassend"] === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp491.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [07:15] hi === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp491.bih.net.ba] has left #edubuntu [] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:40] cbx33: ping === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:40] kbrooks, pong === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=pc22@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu [08:42] hey DanielC [08:44] cbx33: you were confused... [08:44] cbx33: hold on, ill pm why [08:46] Is there a resource on how to setup remote X over ssh === pc22 [n=hyper@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] ok [08:48] thanks kbrooks [08:49] cbx33: well, i dont have to pm. but anyway [08:49] cbx33: http://kbrooks.ath.cx/gisomount/ - this had a working tree [08:49] cbx33: .bzr/branch was "up to date" [08:50] cbx33: you were confused because you assumed that the *working tree* was old === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] hrm [08:55] how can I start an xfce session over ssh? [08:57] do I just issue a startx? [08:57] I wouldn't think so [08:57] *as X is already running on that system [09:01] Petaris: can you ssh -X to the server, then Xnest -query localhost :1 [09:02] hrm, I don't have Xnest [09:03] hrm [09:03] is it safe to apt-get it? [09:03] that is, will it scew up Xorg? [09:03] or try to remove it or something [09:04] Petaris: shouldn't be a problem, not sure what package it is in, just a sec.... [09:04] Xnest goes on the system you're ssh'ing to, of course... [09:05] right [09:05] but its an ltsp server and I don't want to screw anything up [09:06] sure, package name is xnest, it is just an "Xserver in a window" [09:06] ok, cool [09:08] Petaris: hmm, needs XDMCP on to do "remote" login, even though we're coming from localhost... [09:09] root@Ayumi:~# Xnest -query localhost :1 [09:09] Fatal server error: [09:09] Unable to open display "". [09:09] hrm [09:09] oh, oops I'm still root === dean_za [n=dean@dsl-146-10-67.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:10] petaris@Ayumi:~$ Xnest -query :1 [09:10] Fatal server error: [09:10] Xserver: Name or service not known: -query :1 [09:10] hrm [09:10] Petaris: Xnest -query localhost :1 [09:10] you'll have to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and enable XDMCP [09:10] petaris@Ayumi:~$ Xnest -query localhost :1 [09:10] _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed [09:10] _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running [09:10] Fatal server error: [09:10] Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running [09:11] ok, let me check that [09:11] Petaris: that does have some security implications to leave open on a hostile network, so be advised... [09:14] right [09:14] still can't get it to work [09:20] Petaris: it's working on my K12LTSP box, not sure what's different... [09:21] Petaris: I'm seeing the same issue on Edubuntu, though; I'm less familiar with their setup. [09:22] hrm === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [10:20] hey Yagisan [10:42] G'day cbx33 === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] without looking [10:52] I see your messages function === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === dean_za [n=dean@dsl-146-10-67.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === dean_za [n=dean@dsl-146-10-67.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu