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| \sh | goldenear: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/225-Windows-sucks,-Mac-sucks,-Gnome-Sucks-and-Kubuntu-Sucks,-too.html | 12:16 |
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| goldenear | \sh: hehe :) | 12:18 |
| \sh | now he is famous ;) | 12:19 |
| \sh | ok...I'm off...cu tomorrow or we hear each other on teamspeak :) | 12:21 |
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| toma | o oh | 12:31 |
| toma | a new kurt blog | 12:32 |
| toma | a its a summary of previous blogs | 12:36 |
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| raphink | \sh_away: "Please enter your password." Which password? My personal account password? My administrator password? My god-mode password? | 01:05 |
| raphink | my goodness | 01:05 |
| raphink | this guy ddidn't ever try to understand that ubuntu/kubuntu users sudo | 01:05 |
| raphink | s/users/uses/ | 01:05 |
| raphink | if our KDE needs some love | 01:06 |
| raphink | this guys really needs some, too | 01:06 |
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| Ze_M | is possible that anyone can help me recover data i erased? | 04:40 |
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| mornfall | morning | 08:21 |
| mornfall | so where's Riddell hiding? :P | 08:21 |
| DaSkreech | In Gay paris? | 08:22 |
| mornfall | well, i'm in paris too | 08:22 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | heya mornfall and DaSkreech | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: he got pretty burnt, he said, so... | 08:22 |
| mornfall | eyo Hobbsee | 08:22 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee I assumed you were sleeping | 08:23 |
| DaSkreech | Ubrnt? | 08:23 |
| DaSkreech | burnt? | 08:23 |
| === Hobbsee is not sleeping. i'ts 4pm | ||
| crimsun | (it's nearly 2:30 AM here) | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | Oh right :-) | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | Burnt? | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | sunburnt | 08:25 |
| === Hobbsee is off to wokr tonight. | ||
| DaSkreech | Night shift? | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | they called up, wanting me to start early | 08:26 |
| DaSkreech | Heh | 08:27 |
| DaSkreech | Well carry something to study :) | 08:27 |
| === Hobbsee did that exam | ||
| === DaSkreech goes to a welcome bed | ||
| Hobbsee | i dont have more exams for anotehr week. | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | Oh .. Right | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | Sunday | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | The illegal thing | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | no, i'ts monday here... | 08:28 |
| === DaSkreech 's brain hurts | ||
| Hobbsee | @time sydney | 08:29 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 19 2006, 16:29:46 | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: we're in front of you | 08:29 |
| DaSkreech | Wait you are in Aus? | 08:30 |
| DaSkreech | But imbrandon just runs on Australian time? | 08:30 |
| DaSkreech | Ok glad that got sorted :) | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | *looks up* | 08:30 |
| DaSkreech | I thought the 4 PM thing sounded kind of bogus :) | 08:31 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 08:31 |
| === imbrandon is american but my sleep scedule is more like an aussie if thats what you mean DaSkreech :0 | ||
| DaSkreech | Right | 08:32 |
| nixternal | sleep is for the dead | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | Funny :) | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | Well I'm crashing | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | More work tomorrow | 08:32 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:32 |
| nixternal | nite DaSkreech | 08:32 |
| nixternal | im soon thats for sure | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | You don't have my im | 08:33 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:33 |
| nixternal | i'm soon rather | 08:33 |
| nixternal | plus...i wouldn't have to im ya..you are always here just like the rest of us ;) | 08:34 |
| DaSkreech | :-D | 08:34 |
| DaSkreech | :-zzzZZZ | 08:34 |
| DaSkreech | .zZ(Fuzzy Ferret released. Most adopted OS of all time) | 08:35 |
| === nixternal steals DaSkreech's pillow | ||
| === DaSkreech gets a bigger marshmellow | ||
| nixternal | lol | 08:35 |
| DaSkreech | Catch you crew in a few | 08:36 |
| nixternal | l8r | 08:37 |
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| kwwii | moin | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | hi kwwii | 09:15 |
| kwwii | hi Hobbsee | 09:15 |
| Riddell-awa | hi Tonio_, kwwii, Hobbsee | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell :) | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | still burnt? | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 09:17 |
| Riddell | you'd need to ask someone else, I can't see myself | 09:17 |
| kwwii | he looks like a tomato | 09:17 |
| kwwii | :-) | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 09:17 |
| === Hobbsee tries to imagine a tomato speaking at a dev conference. | ||
| mornfall | Riddell: hi :-))) | 09:18 |
| === Hobbsee pictures Riddell the tomato on the edgy cds. | ||
| mornfall | he doesn't look like a tomato | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | oh pity. | 09:20 |
| mornfall | 1) tomatoes are much more red 2) tomatoes don't wear beards | 09:20 |
| mornfall | anything else i may have missed? :] | 09:20 |
| Riddell | morning mornfall! | 09:21 |
| nixternal | morning Riddell | 09:21 |
| Hobbsee | hh | 09:21 |
| === Hobbsee curses her e key. | ||
| nixternal | mornin' everyone ;) | 09:21 |
| mornfall | i'll fall asleep in few minutes | 09:21 |
| kwwii | hehe | 09:21 |
| Hobbsee | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee work you silly key! | 09:21 |
| nixternal | LOL | 09:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i'm around 3 o'clock from you | 09:22 |
| Riddell | mornfall: hmm, I seem to have failed to register kubuntu-edgy-package-manager for this summit | 09:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it can be registered still i suppose? people are creating specs still | 09:24 |
| mornfall | anyhow | 09:24 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yes, actually I think we'll need to make few specs for each part of that | 09:24 |
| mornfall | could do | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: going to say something? | 09:26 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: already have, but these introductions aren't on teamspeak | 09:29 |
| kwwii | rebooting, brb | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah ok. i was actually meaning on TS, but yeah. are people taking notes or something for interesting bits? | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | or are we just listening from TS? | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: just now we're all introducting our specs, but all the specs already have a text introduction on their launchpad page | 09:32 |
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| Riddell | for the BoFs for the actual spec discussions that'll be on teamspeak | 09:33 |
| nixternal | argh | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: fair enough | 09:33 |
| mornfall | *yaaawn* | 09:34 |
| mornfall | i suppose teamspeak is not quite apt-gettable? | 09:35 |
| === Hobbsee throws a bucket of water onto mornfall | ||
| mornfall | thanks | 09:35 |
| === mornfall drowns | ||
| Hobbsee | no, it's a shell script | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt throw that much on you! | 09:35 |
| mornfall | i'm very skilled in drowning | 09:35 |
| Riddell | mornfall: Mark did appologise for the evil proprietryness of it yesterday | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | become unskilled mornfall :P | 09:36 |
| mornfall | grmble, the TS license blows | 09:40 |
| Riddell | mornfall: we know, Mark's bountying anyone who wants to add the same functionality to Free Software | 09:40 |
| === mornfall wgets | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:40 |
| mornfall | what license is jingle? | 09:41 |
| mornfall | i suppose it's not quite trivial to extend, but could be a start | 09:41 |
| mornfall | BSD | 09:42 |
| mornfall | great | 09:42 |
| mornfall | so there's something to start with :) | 09:42 |
| Riddell | mornfall: get ready to introduce adept-usability | 09:44 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: me? pff | 09:44 |
| mornfall | Riddell: why not you? | 09:44 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:45 |
| mornfall | i have no idea what to say :) | 09:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: adept is your baby :) | 09:45 |
| Riddell | say we'll be getting ellen to do a usability review | 09:45 |
| mornfall | sure, but i don't like to speak :) | 09:45 |
| mornfall | please...... | 09:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it's just like IRC but louder | 09:45 |
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| mornfall | nah | 09:45 |
| mornfall | *frown* | 09:45 |
| nixternal | LOL Riddell | 09:46 |
| imbrandon | irc but louder lol | 09:46 |
| nixternal | that is classic...that has to be quoted | 09:46 |
| nixternal | news worthy imbrandon..put into the pastebin | 09:47 |
| mornfall | Riddell: okey, i can do it | 09:47 |
| mornfall | you win :p | 09:47 |
| nixternal | \sh welcome aboard ;) | 09:49 |
| Riddell | hmm, teamspeak server seems broken | 09:54 |
| nixternal | nobody can communicate? | 09:57 |
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| nixternal | omg | 09:58 |
| nixternal | turn it down | 09:58 |
| nixternal | OWWW | 09:58 |
| nixternal | ;) | 09:58 |
| Riddell | I can't seem to connect to the server | 10:01 |
| nixternal | Riddell: i see you on there..now you just quit | 10:01 |
| nixternal | and your bac | 10:01 |
| Riddell | strange, I can't see anybody | 10:04 |
| nixternal | i don't see you know | 10:04 |
| nixternal | [03:04:37] Jonathan Riddell quit | 10:05 |
| nixternal | that is why ;) | 10:05 |
| nixternal | s/know/now | 10:05 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 10:05 |
| nixternal | i see you now | 10:05 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:05 |
| nixternal | you get it? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | rm -r ~/teamspeak fixed it | 10:06 |
| nixternal | good to know | 10:06 |
| nixternal | rm -r fixes a lot of things ;) | 10:06 |
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| Riddell | you rock mornfall! | 10:16 |
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| mornfall | blah | 10:16 |
| mornfall | :p | 10:16 |
| \sh | moins | 10:18 |
| freeflying|away | moin all | 10:18 |
| nixternal | moin freeflying | 10:19 |
| mornfall | teamspeak crashes on exit? | 10:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: did for me too | 10:20 |
| mornfall | ok, so it's not me | 10:20 |
| freeflying | nixternal: moin | 10:20 |
| mornfall | libborqt... is that thing done with kylix? | 10:21 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: do you have the teamspeak wget URL? | 10:24 |
| mornfall | ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/teamspeak.org/releases/ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2 should do | 10:24 |
| Riddell | thanks | 10:24 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuParisSummit | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Mon 26th 21:00UTC | ||
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| seaLne | any idea what port teamspeak uses? i get no reply from server | 10:55 |
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| Riddell | seaLne: marais.ubuntu.com.8767: UDP | 11:26 |
| Riddell | although I think it also uses TCP | 11:26 |
| freeflying | gobby can not link to that server | 11:27 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: doesn't seem to be up yet | 11:28 |
| freeflying | :) | 11:28 |
| seaLne | Riddell: hmm well still can't connect and it isn't firewalled | 11:33 |
| Riddell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ | 11:45 |
| hunger | tnks: With ubuntu all I get all kind of HW support installed by default (OK, I get stuff installed that I might never need, but I do not care about the HD space). | 11:48 |
| hunger | Oh, sorry:-( | 11:49 |
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| mlitz | kdeversion | 11:59 |
| mlitz | ups, sorry | 11:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: where are you? | 11:59 |
| \sh | Riddell: I will listen to the bof, but I can't answer via TS, because it will disturb the others around me, so what's the best way to contribute? | 12:01 |
| Riddell | \sh: here I guess | 12:03 |
| seaLne | can i just check, with TS the only settings i need to put in are the servername? | 12:04 |
| \sh | teamspeak.uds.canonical.com , anonymous login and set the nickname | 12:05 |
| seaLne | yep | 12:05 |
| seaLne | wonder why i can't connect | 12:06 |
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| \sh | Riddell: do you have the ip address to connect gobby? | 12:15 |
| Riddell | \sh: nope | 12:16 |
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| === ervin_uds wanna use gobby | ||
| \sh | that reminds me of the pink floyd song: "Is anybody out there" ;) | 12:18 |
| \sh | I'm sitting in the office, with my headset connected to windows...I feel ashamed | 12:19 |
| ervin_uds | Riddell: better type it here I guess =) | 12:20 |
| ervin_uds | Riddell: or in the topic | 12:20 |
| \sh | what about #kubuntu-bofs ? | 12:21 |
| Riddell | gobby 10.130.8.255 | 12:22 |
| Riddell | ervin_uds: ^^ | 12:22 |
| \sh | just internal ip addresses? and .255 looks like an broadcast | 12:23 |
| ervin_uds | \sh: raise the whisper threshold | 12:24 |
| ervin_uds | \sh: you're continously emitting | 12:24 |
| mornfall | \sh: you need to raise the threshold | 12:25 |
| ervin_uds | \sh: hello? | 12:26 |
| Tonio__ | hi \sh | 12:26 |
| freeflying | teamspeak has no client for osx? | 12:28 |
| ervin_uds | Riddell: could you kick \sh until he goes back? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | ervin_uds: I'm not an op | 12:28 |
| ervin_uds | ah ok | 12:28 |
| ervin_uds | \sh: you're on mute, ping me when you're back | 12:29 |
| \sh | damn windows | 12:33 |
| \sh | just locked my windows and everything is messed up | 12:33 |
| ervin_uds | \sh: looks ok now, at least you're not emitting =) | 12:34 |
| \sh | whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;) | 12:42 |
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| ervin_uds | \sh: it was aseigo | 12:51 |
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| aseigo | which question? | 12:51 |
| ervin_uds | [12:42:02] <\sh> whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;) | 12:52 |
| aseigo | haha | 12:52 |
| === aseigo has a horse voice ... | ||
| aseigo | i had laryngitis two days ago and my voice is still a little ... odd | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | horse | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:55 |
| \sh | hehe..I never heard aseigos voice before, just read his articles on his blog ;) | 12:57 |
| \sh | so I was surprised...it wasn't Riddells voice | 12:57 |
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| aseigo | yes, i took over his body momentarily | 01:00 |
| aseigo | i have psychic powers like that ;0 | 01:00 |
| aseigo | (and my healthy voice sounds different =) | 01:01 |
| \sh | aseigo: can you read my future, too? ;) | 01:02 |
| apokryphos | only if he can see your palm, I'm sure | 01:02 |
| \sh | so, I need to join the aKademy ;) | 01:06 |
| \sh | gobby.uds.ubuntu.com or canonical.com? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | \sh: ubuntu.com | 01:07 |
| \sh | let's see if I can connect | 01:07 |
| \sh | doesn't work | 01:10 |
| seaLne | did you specify a port? | 01:11 |
| \sh | 6522 | 01:12 |
| seaLne | the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate suggests you need to know which port for the session | 01:13 |
| Riddell | seaLne: ah, that could be it | 01:14 |
| \sh | so which port are we? I don't see the schedule ;) | 01:14 |
| Riddell | ok I need to just choose a port for gobby to work on that server | 01:15 |
| \sh | is there a way to see the paris bof schedule via web? | 01:17 |
| ajmitch_ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ | 01:17 |
| ajmitch_ | schedule for today, so far | 01:17 |
| \sh | cool | 01:18 |
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| jjesse | did the confrence start already and if so is there a calnedar of what is happening each day and also i think there was the ability to join via voice over ip or something? | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: heya, it has, and yes thre is | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/ | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | some of the devs need to learn to use push to talk though :( | 02:58 |
| jjesse | what program is it? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | teamspeak | 02:59 |
| jjesse | so how do i join? | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: download teamspeak, connect to the server with your real name (otherwise fabbione isnt happy) and listen. kill off kde sound first | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | teamspeak.uds.canonical.com is the server | 03:03 |
| jjesse | is there a server name i need? | 03:03 |
| jjesse | ah thanks | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:04 |
| jjesse | ah joined thanks Hobbsee | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: :) | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | check if you can hear/speak | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | mic muted | 03:07 |
| jjesse | don't have a microphone on my laptop setup | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 03:07 |
| jjesse | so i'll listen in :) | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:07 |
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| jjesse | morning jsgotangco | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | hi jjesse =) | 03:10 |
| jjesse | enjoying paris? | 03:10 |
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| jsgotangco | jjesse: well we had our time to enjoy yesterday; today is all work after all we are in the middle of nowhere | 03:13 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: grin, i hope work goes well then, joined teamspeak so i could listen in | 03:13 |
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| Hobbsee | mornfall: ping | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Mez | 04:14 |
| Mez | hi sarah | 04:16 |
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| kwwii | re | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | hey kwwii | 04:20 |
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| kwwii | sometimes I think I spend more time rebooting than actually working | 04:42 |
| === kwwii will be right back | ||
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: the chances of kde 3.5.4 getting in? | 05:00 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: easy, that happens end of july | 05:06 |
| Riddell | plenty time for it | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nice. just saw the talk of UVF and went "oh no". should make a nice birthday present, actually. | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | a bit late, but still good :) | 05:07 |
| jjesse | i'm in the teamspeak room for kde lanague pack, but i'm !microphone, so i'll listen in | 05:08 |
| === Hobbsee wonders just how good Riddell is at organisation. | ||
| === Hobbsee hopes he's very good at it, if everything that we want gets in. | ||
| freeflying|away | Riddell: will edgy use the coming release of cairo and fontconfig | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | Riddell / Hobbsee / jjesse freeflying i would love to stay but i'm going on 24hrs no sleep, see you all in 6 - 8 hours | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | btw freeflying|away everything working ok on the shell ? | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | night imbrandon | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, what is the schedule for the kde"ish" stuff so i can be prepared for TS ? | 05:16 |
| jjesse | nigt imbrandon | 05:16 |
| freeflying|away | imbrandon: yep | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | freeflying|away, kool just makin sure ;) | 05:16 |
| freeflying|away | imbrandon_: dose this cost you extra :) | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | freeflying|away, nope not a penny | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | i pay for it anyway | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | i can make as many shell accounts as i wish , same price | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | the only thing that cost me more is bandwith and i go no where even close to my limit ( and i also have a full ubuntu apt mirror on that server ) so no worries | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | i get 2018 Gb/month transfre and i only use about 100 maybe , if that | 05:18 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:19 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: we don't know, schedules are done late at night or early in the morning | 05:19 |
| freeflying|away | imbrandon_: heh, thx | 05:19 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: no idea, you'd need to ask a gnome packager for cairo and I guess fontconfig will be merged with debian | 05:19 |
| imbrandon | ok Riddell, just wondering , i'll be back in a few hours, nap time | 05:19 |
| === Hobbsee sort of beds. | ||
| freeflying|away | Riddell: a chinese join cairo upstream, and make great improvement for CJK in next release, also this will rake place in fonconfig | 05:21 |
| freeflying|away | s/rake/take | 05:21 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: we don't really use cairo in kubuntu/KDE, Qt4 uses it's own engine (arthur) | 05:25 |
| Riddell | which uses fontconfig | 05:25 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: I see, just wonder wether ubuntu will use these :) | 05:26 |
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| Riddell | jjesse: where is Switching From Windows currently? | 05:53 |
| Riddell | hello ericthefish | 05:53 |
| jjesse | currently just the wiki page that is very large and very ubuntu specific | 05:53 |
| jjesse | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SwitchingFromWindows | 05:54 |
| Riddell | ah yes, cool | 05:54 |
| Riddell | jjesse: what's the plan for adept docs in edgy? | 05:54 |
| jjesse | do i need a spec on it or should i just like to it from the KubuntuDocs/Edgy? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | "Adept will have manuals and guides" isn't very clear | 05:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I'm tidying up KubuntuDocs/Edgy now, that's all that is needed | 05:55 |
| jjesse | ok | 05:55 |
| Riddell | so is the plan to update the adept manual? | 05:57 |
| jjesse | yes, currently the manual covers version 1.0 and doesn't have anything about add/remove programs and is incorrect about other things | 05:57 |
| Riddell | groovy | 05:58 |
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| jjesse | ok away eating lunch :) | 06:02 |
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| hunger | apt | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | -get | 06:42 |
| Mez | Riddell: ping# | 06:49 |
| Riddell | hi Mez | 06:57 |
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| Mez | Riddell; what';s going on with LRL ? | 07:01 |
| jjesse | Riddell: thanks for cleaning up the specification for me | 07:01 |
| Mez | it's got "KDE" and "KDE and Kubuntu" stands | 07:01 |
| Mez | in the exhibitors list | 07:01 |
| uniq | riddell: hi, could you please approve me for the ubuntu-irc launchpad group please? I can't access the bantracker on ubotu wihtout beeing a member of that group. thanks :) | 07:03 |
| Riddell | Mez: cool, we get twice a stand :) | 07:03 |
| Mez | Riddell: who's helping - just me and you? | 07:04 |
| Riddell | uniq: I have no idea about the policy of that group, who do I ask to find out? | 07:04 |
| Riddell | Mez: Ben Lamb is coming to big up KDE | 07:04 |
| Mez | Cool - cause like - I'm doing A/V and keysigning stuff too | 07:05 |
| uniq | riddell: you're an administrator, and seveas is the owner. I guess beeing a operator of one of the channels we have is enought to be included. But please ask just to be sure. | 07:05 |
| Seveas | uniq, ? | 07:07 |
| Mez | then i should be in the ubuntu-irc group too | 07:07 |
| Seveas | uniq/mez, are you operator in here? | 07:07 |
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| uniq | seveas: i | 07:07 |
| uniq | 'm #kubuntu operator. | 07:07 |
| Mez | in #kubuntu | 07:07 |
| Seveas | uniq, approved | 07:08 |
| Seveas | Mez, please apply | 07:08 |
| uniq | seveas: thanks :) | 07:08 |
| Seveas | btw, bantracker is broken-ish right now, I'm working on it | 07:09 |
| jpatrick | Seveas: if I'm an op in #kubuntu should I too be in the group? | 07:09 |
| uniq | ok. should probably have cleaned up the banlist in #kubuntu, 50 bans, some very old. | 07:09 |
| Seveas | jpatrick, approved | 07:09 |
| Seveas | btw: you lot might want to consider joining #ubuntu-ops and the ubuntu-irc mailing list | 07:10 |
| Seveas | Mez, approved | 07:10 |
| Mez | ty | 07:11 |
| uniq | seveas: i joined the ml some days ago. | 07:11 |
| Mez | Seveas - how high traffic is it ? | 07:12 |
| Mez | (the ML) | 07:12 |
| Seveas | very low | 07:12 |
| Mez | Riddell, is Kamion looking busy ? | 07:12 |
| Mez | Seveas - cool - I'll gmail it then | 07:12 |
| Seveas | only important things like the new ubotu | 07:12 |
| jpatrick | Seveas: ok, thanks | 07:13 |
| Riddell | Mez: kamion is always busy | 07:13 |
| Seveas | Riddell, that's an understatement | 07:14 |
| Riddell | Seveas: what's the policy on allowing people into ubuntu-irc? | 07:14 |
| Seveas | Riddell, they have to be op in #kubuntu or #ubuntu | 07:15 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: op status on a channel I guess | 07:15 |
| Seveas | it's main purpose is to be able to view the bantracker | 07:15 |
| Seveas | s/'// | 07:15 |
| Mez | is it restricted then ? I got in fine | 07:15 |
| Seveas | even before? | 07:15 |
| Seveas | hmm.. | 07:15 |
| uniq | mez: launchpad group? | 07:16 |
| Riddell | Seveas: aren't bans handled by freenode chanserv? | 07:16 |
| Seveas | Riddell, no | 07:16 |
| Seveas | and in case of netsplits bans tend to loose data (like who set them and when) | 07:16 |
| uniq | the bantracker is restricted. I tried to subscribe without beeing a member of ubuntu-irc launchpad group,and got rejected when i tried to login. | 07:16 |
| Seveas | and there's no ban history | 07:16 |
| Mez | oh, I thought you were on about the channel | 07:17 |
| Seveas | Mez, no, the only restricted thing is the bantracker, because you can comment on it | 07:17 |
| Riddell | Seveas: so how do I use this bantracker thing? | 07:18 |
| Mez | Seveas - ah ... er | 07:18 |
| Mez | it's evil - it wont let me use my alternative emails | 07:18 |
| Seveas | https://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi | 07:18 |
| Seveas | Mez, launchpad does not export those via rdf | 07:19 |
| Mez | I cnat use my main one - it's too clogged up atm | 07:19 |
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| Seveas | jpatrick, did you get a mail from Ubugtu ? | 07:22 |
| jpatrick | No | 07:22 |
| Seveas | hmm, as I said, some things are broken ;) | 07:23 |
| uniq | it worked just fine for me. | 07:25 |
| linuxmonkey | bad Seveas bad Seveas...lol being happy about things being broken | 07:26 |
| uniq | i got my kubuntu cds today. they are nice. :) | 07:29 |
| linuxmonkey | bad uniq bad | 07:29 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 07:29 |
| linuxmonkey | i need mine | 07:29 |
| linuxmonkey | so their nice | 07:30 |
| linuxmonkey | how many did u get? | 07:30 |
| uniq | don't know, 10 or so. | 07:30 |
| jjesse | hmmm i wonder if mine are in the mailbox at home | 07:35 |
| jjesse | that would be nice | 07:35 |
| linuxmonkey | i doubt id get mine anytime soon, im in canada | 07:35 |
| jjesse | hmm i'm in michigan usa just hoping :) | 07:36 |
| nixternal | i got mine too today | 07:36 |
| nixternal | 10kubuntu and 10ubuntu | 07:36 |
| jjesse | nixternal: where you at? | 07:36 |
| nixternal | across the pond from you jjesse | 07:36 |
| nixternal | take a paddle boat across lake michigan | 07:36 |
| nixternal | ;) | 07:36 |
| jjesse | a big paddle boat :) | 07:36 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:36 |
| nixternal | ya | 07:36 |
| nixternal | im in...sweet home chicago ;) | 07:37 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i don't remember but what was i supposed to email the ubuntu-doc list about? from the meeting on friday? | 07:37 |
| nixternal | oh wow | 07:37 |
| jjesse | do you remember? | 07:37 |
| nixternal | no ;) | 07:37 |
| nixternal | let me look at my log | 07:37 |
| jjesse | bummer going to have to read the log | 07:38 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 07:39 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah I didnt get my cd's | 07:39 |
| linuxmonkey | :`( | 07:39 |
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| Riddell | salut raphink | 07:43 |
| raphink | hi Riddell :) | 07:43 |
| raphink | how are you? | 07:43 |
| Riddell | jjesse: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-edgy-docs | 07:44 |
| linuxmonkey | Riddell: arent u supposed to be sleeping..lol | 07:45 |
| raphink | linuxmonkey: why would he be sleeping at 7:15PM ? | 07:46 |
| nixternal | it is only 9pm in Paris silly..who goes to bed that early? | 07:46 |
| nixternal | 8pm rather | 07:46 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 07:46 |
| nixternal | 8 and 9 are to close to each other ;) | 07:46 |
| linuxmonkey | cause he been up for a long time without sleep | 07:46 |
| nixternal | you can do that when your geeked out ;) | 07:47 |
| jjesse | his girlfriend is probablly keeping him awake :) and is also probablly the reason he is not responding :0 | 07:47 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:47 |
| linuxmonkey | lmao | 07:47 |
| nixternal | jjesse: i am not seeing anything about emails from the #ubuntu-meeting logs...maybe it was in here when we were conversing to Riddell about Kubuntu docs? | 07:48 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i found it, should the switching guide be specific for kubuntu/ubuntu or generic | 07:48 |
| Riddell | linuxmonkey: I went to sleep last night at well before my normal time | 07:48 |
| Riddell | raphink: I'm groovy | 07:48 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 07:48 |
| raphink | Riddell: how is meeting going? | 07:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell is groovy...had a little to drink did ya ;) | 07:49 |
| linuxmonkey | lmao | 07:49 |
| raphink | nixternal: learn that riddell is always groovy ;) | 07:49 |
| nixternal | jjesse: windows switching right | 07:49 |
| nixternal | hahah raphink i have noticed | 07:49 |
| Riddell | raphink: everyone is here who should be, no really big kubuntu specs today hopefully we'll get some of the big ones scheduled for tomorrow | 07:49 |
| raphink | Riddell: does that mean I shouldn't be there? | 07:49 |
| Riddell | nixternal: at 9euro a beer I'm going to be teetotal until we can get to l'intermache and buy some cheap | 07:50 |
| nixternal | ouch | 07:50 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:50 |
| jjesse | can we get the "big" ones scheduled later in the day so i can added via teamspeak? | 07:50 |
| nixternal | ya..i wouldn't mind listening in on some as this whole Kubuntu world amazes me ;) | 07:50 |
| Riddell | raphink: well everyone is here who I expeced to turn up | 07:50 |
| raphink | ah ok | 07:51 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I can't control the timing at all | 07:51 |
| jjesse | the developers just need to remember to push to talk | 07:51 |
| Riddell | and teamspeak is quite a hassle | 07:51 |
| raphink | you said "everyone is here who should be" so that was controversial ;) | 07:51 |
| jjesse | well if mics worked :) | 07:51 |
| nixternal | should just open a mic there at the meeting...and mute everyone else unless they are needed to speak | 07:51 |
| jjesse | doesn't work very well | 07:51 |
| jjesse | they tried it at the edgy release schedule one | 07:52 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 07:52 |
| nixternal | see...we have done it with skype and it worked like a charm | 07:52 |
| jjesse | maybe the mic wasn't very good ? | 07:52 |
| nixternal | although..we did use an amazing conference hardware setup though | 07:52 |
| nixternal | it could have been that jjesse...the mic we used in the skype conferences was top notch | 07:52 |
| nixternal | i know our boss paid a pretty penny for it | 07:53 |
| Riddell | the microphones are headset ones, they're not intended for group stuff | 07:53 |
| Riddell | plus there are 4 bofs in 1 room so there's lots of background noise | 07:53 |
| nixternal | i heard that yesterday...someone opened a mic and it sounded like a dance club ;) | 07:53 |
| nixternal | that and jdub beat boxing | 07:54 |
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| Riddell | dinner time | 07:57 |
| nixternal | enjoy | 07:57 |
| nixternal | more work for me...client decided to make changes to named.conf.local and now get the good ol' rndc.key errors | 07:57 |
| linuxmonkey | lmao | 07:58 |
| nixternal | ya you laugh | 07:58 |
| nixternal | i can't even ssh into the server...omg windows people sook | 07:59 |
| linuxmonkey | time to get off yer ass and take a walk to the server | 07:59 |
| nixternal | server is in...ummm....texas i think | 08:00 |
| nixternal | it is a colo | 08:00 |
| nixternal | the office admin is like..oh we got a memo that stated ssh was insecure so we disabled it... | 08:01 |
| nixternal | everything is insecure...whats next...get rid of the computer | 08:01 |
| nixternal | arg...bbiab | 08:01 |
| linuxmonkey | lmao | 08:02 |
| linuxmonkey | ssh is essencial | 08:02 |
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| DaSkreech | jpatrick: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-06-18/ | 08:17 |
| DaSkreech | jpatrick: Kitten :) | 08:17 |
| jpatrick | woohoo | 08:18 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ | 08:45 |
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| LjL | hello... just had a little discussion about Kopete on #kubuntu. i've only now started using it, and i see that, by default, it sends *quite* a bit of information to the other clients that i might not really want to give away | 10:17 |
| railk | LjL: for one thing, (k)ubuntu is geared towards normals, not the more geeky type... afaik, it doesn't even have the build system installed by default, you need to get build-essential for that... | 10:17 |
| railk | so you dont need stuff like you listed | 10:17 |
| LjL | the options to disable that are rather well hidden, additionally. do you think this is really the desired default behavior? | 10:17 |
| LjL | railk: i don't think that's the main reason for them to be absent, honestly | 10:17 |
| railk | fine then | 10:18 |
| railk | present != enabled though... | 10:18 |
| railk | so if its some sort of privacy they could be present and disabled by default... or somthing | 10:18 |
| railk | so... making a bug report? | 10:20 |
| LjL | actually no, answering a bugger on the phone. but yeah, i'm going to make one | 10:21 |
| railk | hmm... is there a specific bug ticker for kopete or at least kde... since taking it further upstream probably isn't a bad idea | 10:21 |
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| LjL | we're talking about defaults, i think it's rather more distro-specific | 10:22 |
| LjL | however i'm sure the Ubuntu devs *do* take bugs upstream when they think they're relevant there | 10:22 |
| railk | meh well after something i read recently i'm not so sure about that... | 10:23 |
| LjL | nobody's perfect i guess | 10:23 |
| railk | true :P | 10:23 |
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| LjL | heh | 10:23 |
| railk | j/k | 10:24 |
| uniq | it's kopetes default i guess. | 10:24 |
| uniq | we could change it in kubuntu-default-settings | 10:24 |
| crimsun | railk: you best be kiddin'! | 10:24 |
| railk | lol | 10:24 |
| railk | omg it speaks! | 10:24 |
| LjL | it? | 10:25 |
| LjL | crimsun: what's your vote? is an instant messanger telling people if you're the terminal, if their window is focused, if you're typing at the keyboard and if you actually got a message shown on your screen .... is this good defaults? | 10:26 |
| railk | hmm, you forgot the "has the window been closed" message | 10:27 |
| railk | not sure where that one is included | 10:27 |
| crimsun | LjL: hmm, isn't that similar to what AIM and MSN use? | 10:27 |
| railk | crimsun: yes its exactly what they use, but does that mean kopete must use em too? | 10:28 |
| crimsun | railk: there's a fine balance between usability and security-via-paranoia | 10:28 |
| LjL | crimsun: that may be, and probably is. i stopped using messengers long ago, and had to restart now. however i don't quite care what they do, i don't think they're very much renowned for being secure or respecting privacy | 10:28 |
| railk | crimsun: a balance which has resulted in the discussion we are currently having | 10:28 |
| crimsun | railk: if /I/ were designing one, I'd code the option to be disabled by default | 10:28 |
| crimsun | notifications are nice, but they emit a bit too much info | 10:29 |
| LjL | crimsun: those options aren't too easy to find, and they must be modified for *every* account that you have -- no single place to disable them at once. really, i'd rather have SSH installed by default | 10:29 |
| crimsun | LjL: I would consider that a usability bug | 10:30 |
| LjL | ok. still even aside them, i don't really like spyware activated by default in my linux. | 10:31 |
| LjL | s/them/that/ | 10:31 |
| crimsun | the philosophy the *buntus have adopted with sudo and no daemons listening on external interfaces suggests that all those options should be disabled by default | 10:31 |
| LjL | that's my opinion, too. oh by the way, it also sends client and OS version information by defalt | 10:32 |
| crimsun | doesn't Konqueror also do that by default? | 10:33 |
| crimsun | I don't think client+OS strings are /that/ big a deal in the grand scheme, since someone determined enough would just nmap | 10:33 |
| LjL | crimsun: and find what open, on Ubuntu? | 10:35 |
| LjL | honest question, i haven't tried nmapping my Ubuntu. | 10:35 |
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| crimsun | LjL: no, the OS & version | 10:36 |
| LjL | crimsun: yes, but if nothing in the system's giving any answer, nmap will have a hard time getting that information | 10:36 |
| crimsun | LjL: nmap just inspects tcp behaviour (timestamps, reactions to combinations of syns/acks/syn-acks/rejs | 10:37 |
| crimsun | ) | 10:37 |
| uniq | nmap does it just fine without any listening daemons. :) | 10:38 |
| LjL | and it can still do that well enough to obtain the OS information even if all ports are closed? | 10:38 |
| LjL | ok then | 10:38 |
| uniq | nmap rocks by the way. :) | 10:38 |
| crimsun | LjL: it can guess. Regardless, my point is that emitting client+OS version isn't all /that/ big a deal. | 10:38 |
| LjL | ok, granted. | 10:40 |
| LjL | i'm still not sure it should be given away by just any problem. web browsers sometimes have a use for that (for example, the Firefox website gives you the "right" download for your OS by default)... but an instant messenger? | 10:41 |
| LjL | s/just any problem/just any program/ | 10:41 |
| crimsun | LjL: I have no objections if that info weren't emitted by default. | 10:41 |
| railk | btw LjL if your paranoid you will also want to change the "Resource" setting of the jabber protocol... | 10:42 |
| railk | also per-account | 10:42 |
| railk | unfortunatly talk.google.com *requires* ssl encryption so i can't exactly watch what is being sent... | 10:42 |
| LjL | railk: i'm not that paranoid. i'm really more paranoid about privacy-related information being sent than OS-related information. it just strikes me as useless that they're being sent | 10:43 |
| LjL | probably mostly harmless, but in any case useless | 10:44 |
| railk | yeah i've also always wondered what that was about... | 10:44 |
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| uniq | advertising :) | 10:44 |
| LjL | railk, crimsun, uniq: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387 | 10:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 10:46 |
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| uniq | ljl: you could also consider making the same report upstream to kopete. | 10:47 |
| === railk also suggested that a while ago | ||
| LjL | uniq: do you think? i felt this kind of thing, since it's related to defaults, is more distribution-specific than upstream-specific | 10:48 |
| railk | you could put it there for debate | 10:48 |
| uniq | railk: ok, i don't follow the discussion, just pretending to :) | 10:48 |
| railk | lol | 10:48 |
| uniq | ljl: kubuntu use kopete defaults by default as far as i can tell. | 10:48 |
| LjL | well, perhaps i will. let's just see how the thing evolves on launchpad right now though | 10:48 |
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| LjL | railk: if i decide (or someone does) to take the bug upstream as well, my proposal would be to have a short first-run wizard (yeah, i know, but we already have plenty anyway...) asking about privacy | 10:53 |
| railk | just so you know whats its probably sending in terms of client/OS: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97947 | 10:54 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 97947 in Jabber Plugin "Jabber "hide client info" feature (like in Gaim)" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] | 10:54 |
| LjL | railk: should be good for everyone. you don't mind having those conveniences enabled, you're immediately shown where to find them | 10:54 |
| railk | ... and i'm off to bed | 10:55 |
| LjL | "Now in Jabber account configuration, you have a new Privacy tab." | 10:55 |
| LjL | so i used to not be able to disable those things *at all*, cool =) | 10:55 |
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| allee | !teamspeak | 11:16 |
| lnxkde | what have been happening :)? | 11:21 |
| lnxkde | when the next dev releases will start :D I am anxious :) | 11:22 |
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