[12:16] <\sh> goldenear: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/225-Windows-sucks,-Mac-sucks,-Gnome-Sucks-and-Kubuntu-Sucks,-too.html
[12:18] <goldenear> \sh: hehe :)
[12:19] <\sh> now he is famous ;)
[12:21] <\sh> ok...I'm off...cu tomorrow or we hear each other on teamspeak :)
[12:31] <toma> o oh
[12:32] <toma> a new kurt blog
[12:36] <toma> a its a summary of previous blogs
[01:05] <raphink> \sh_away: "Please enter your password." Which password? My personal account password? My administrator password? My god-mode password? 
[01:05] <raphink> my goodness
[01:05] <raphink> this guy ddidn't ever try to understand that ubuntu/kubuntu users sudo 
[01:05] <raphink> s/users/uses/
[01:06] <raphink> if our KDE needs some love
[01:06] <raphink> this guys really needs some, too
[04:40] <Ze_M> is possible that anyone can help me recover data i erased?
[08:21] <mornfall> morning
[08:21] <mornfall> so where's Riddell hiding? :P
[08:22] <DaSkreech> In Gay paris?
[08:22] <mornfall> well, i'm in paris too
[08:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:22] <Hobbsee> heya mornfall and DaSkreech 
[08:22] <Hobbsee> mornfall: he got pretty burnt, he said, so...
[08:22] <mornfall> eyo Hobbsee 
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee I assumed you were sleeping
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Ubrnt?
[08:23] <DaSkreech> burnt?
[08:24] <crimsun> (it's nearly 2:30 AM here)
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Oh right :-)
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Burnt?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> sunburnt
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Night shift?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:26] <Hobbsee> they called up, wanting me to start early
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Heh
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Well carry something to study :)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> i dont have more exams for anotehr week.
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Oh .. Right
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Sunday
[08:28] <DaSkreech> The illegal thing
[08:28] <Hobbsee> no, i'ts monday here...
[08:29] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 19 2006, 16:29:46
[08:29] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: we're in front of you
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Wait you are in Aus?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> But imbrandon just runs on Australian time?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Ok glad that got sorted :)
[08:30] <imbrandon> *looks up*
[08:31] <DaSkreech> I thought the 4 PM thing sounded kind of bogus :)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Right
[08:32] <nixternal> sleep is for the dead
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Funny :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Well I'm crashing
[08:32] <DaSkreech> More work tomorrow
[08:32] <nixternal> hehe
[08:32] <nixternal> nite DaSkreech
[08:32] <nixternal> im soon thats for sure
[08:33] <DaSkreech> You don't have my im
[08:33] <nixternal> lol
[08:33] <nixternal> i'm soon rather
[08:34] <nixternal> plus...i wouldn't have to im ya..you are always here just like the rest of us ;)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> :-D
[08:34] <DaSkreech> :-zzzZZZ
[08:35] <DaSkreech> .zZ(Fuzzy Ferret released. Most adopted OS of all time)
[08:35] <nixternal> lol
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Catch you crew in a few
[08:37] <nixternal> l8r
[09:15] <kwwii> moin
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[09:15] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[09:16] <Riddell-awa> hi Tonio_, kwwii, Hobbsee 
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell :)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> still burnt?
[09:17] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:17] <Riddell> you'd need to ask someone else, I can't see myself
[09:17] <kwwii> he looks like a tomato
[09:17] <kwwii> :-)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:18] <mornfall> Riddell: hi :-)))
[09:19] <mornfall> he doesn't look like a tomato
[09:20] <Hobbsee> oh pity.
[09:20] <mornfall> 1) tomatoes are much more red 2) tomatoes don't wear beards
[09:20] <mornfall> anything else i may have missed? :] 
[09:21] <Riddell> morning mornfall!
[09:21] <nixternal> morning Riddell
[09:21] <Hobbsee> hh
[09:21] <nixternal> mornin' everyone ;)
[09:21] <mornfall> i'll fall asleep in few minutes
[09:21] <kwwii> hehe
[09:21] <Hobbsee> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee work you silly key!
[09:22] <nixternal> LOL
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: i'm around 3 o'clock from you
[09:24] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm, I seem to have failed to register kubuntu-edgy-package-manager for this summit
[09:24] <mornfall> Riddell: it can be registered still i suppose? people are creating specs still
[09:24] <mornfall> anyhow
[09:24] <Riddell> mornfall: yes, actually I think we'll need to make few specs for each part of that
[09:25] <mornfall> could do
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: going to say something?
[09:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: already have, but these introductions aren't on teamspeak
[09:29] <kwwii> rebooting, brb
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah ok.  i was actually meaning on TS, but yeah.  are people taking notes or something for interesting bits?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> or are we just listening from TS?
[09:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just now we're all introducting our specs, but all the specs already have a text introduction on their launchpad page
[09:33] <Riddell> for the BoFs for the actual spec discussions that'll be on teamspeak
[09:33] <nixternal> argh
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fair enough
[09:34] <mornfall> *yaaawn*
[09:35] <mornfall> i suppose teamspeak is not quite apt-gettable?
[09:35] <mornfall> thanks
[09:35] <Hobbsee> no, it's a shell script
[09:35] <Hobbsee> i didnt throw that much on you!
[09:35] <mornfall> i'm very skilled in drowning
[09:35] <Riddell> mornfall: Mark did appologise for the evil proprietryness of it yesterday
[09:36] <Hobbsee> become unskilled mornfall :P
[09:40] <mornfall> grmble, the TS license blows
[09:40] <Riddell> mornfall: we know, Mark's bountying anyone who wants to add the same functionality to Free Software
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:41] <mornfall> what license is jingle?
[09:41] <mornfall> i suppose it's not quite trivial to extend, but could be a start
[09:42] <mornfall> BSD
[09:42] <mornfall> great
[09:42] <mornfall> so there's something to start with :)
[09:44] <Riddell> mornfall: get ready to introduce adept-usability
[09:44] <mornfall> Riddell: me? pff
[09:44] <mornfall> Riddell: why not you?
[09:45] <nixternal> lol
[09:45] <mornfall> i have no idea what to say :)
[09:45] <Riddell> mornfall: adept is your baby :)
[09:45] <Riddell> say we'll be getting ellen to do a usability review
[09:45] <mornfall> sure, but i don't like to speak :)
[09:45] <mornfall> please......
[09:45] <Riddell> mornfall: it's just like IRC but louder
[09:45] <mornfall> nah
[09:45] <mornfall> *frown*
[09:46] <nixternal> LOL Riddell
[09:46] <imbrandon> irc but louder lol
[09:46] <nixternal> that is classic...that has to be quoted
[09:47] <nixternal> news worthy imbrandon..put into the pastebin
[09:47] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, i can do it
[09:47] <mornfall> you win :p
[09:49] <nixternal> \sh welcome aboard ;)
[09:54] <Riddell> hmm, teamspeak server seems broken
[09:57] <nixternal> nobody can communicate?
[09:58] <nixternal> omg
[09:58] <nixternal> turn it down
[09:58] <nixternal> OWWW
[09:58] <nixternal> ;)
[10:01] <Riddell> I can't seem to connect to the server
[10:01] <nixternal> Riddell: i see you on there..now you just quit
[10:01] <nixternal> and your bac
[10:04] <Riddell> strange, I can't see anybody
[10:04] <nixternal> i don't see you know
[10:05] <nixternal> [03:04:37]  Jonathan Riddell quit
[10:05] <nixternal> that is why ;)
[10:05] <nixternal> s/know/now
[10:05] <Riddell> ah hah
[10:05] <nixternal> i see you now
[10:05] <nixternal> hehe
[10:06] <nixternal> you get it?
[10:06] <Riddell> rm -r ~/teamspeak  fixed it
[10:06] <nixternal> good to know
[10:06] <nixternal> rm -r fixes a lot of things ;)
[10:16] <Riddell> you rock mornfall!
[10:16] <mornfall> blah
[10:16] <mornfall> :p
[10:18] <\sh> moins
[10:18] <freeflying|away> moin all
[10:19] <nixternal> moin freeflying
[10:20] <mornfall> teamspeak crashes on exit?
[10:20] <Riddell> mornfall: did for me too
[10:20] <mornfall> ok, so it's not me
[10:20] <freeflying> nixternal: moin
[10:21] <mornfall> libborqt... is that thing done with kylix?
[10:24] <Riddell> mornfall: do you have the teamspeak wget URL?
[10:24] <mornfall> ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/teamspeak.org/releases/ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2 should do
[10:24] <Riddell> thanks
[10:55] <seaLne> any idea what port teamspeak uses? i get no reply from server
[11:26] <Riddell> seaLne: marais.ubuntu.com.8767: UDP
[11:26] <Riddell> although I think it also uses TCP
[11:27] <freeflying> gobby can not link to that server 
[11:28] <Riddell> freeflying: doesn't seem to be up yet
[11:28] <freeflying> :)
[11:33] <seaLne> Riddell: hmm well still can't connect and it isn't firewalled
[11:45] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/
[11:48] <hunger> tnks: With ubuntu all I get all kind of HW support installed by default (OK, I get stuff installed that I might never need, but I do not care about the HD space).
[11:49] <hunger> Oh, sorry:-(
[11:59] <mlitz> kdeversion
[11:59] <mlitz> ups, sorry
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: where are you?
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: I will listen to the bof, but I can't answer via TS, because it will disturb the others around me, so what's the best way to contribute?
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: here I guess
[12:04] <seaLne> can i just check, with TS the only settings i need to put in are the servername?
[12:05] <\sh> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com , anonymous login and set the nickname 
[12:05] <seaLne> yep
[12:06] <seaLne> wonder why i can't connect
[12:15] <\sh> Riddell: do you have the ip address to connect gobby?
[12:16] <Riddell> \sh: nope
[12:18] <\sh> that reminds me of the pink floyd song: "Is anybody out there" ;)
[12:19] <\sh> I'm sitting in the office, with my headset connected to windows...I feel ashamed
[12:20] <ervin_uds> Riddell: better type it here I guess =)
[12:20] <ervin_uds> Riddell: or in the topic
[12:21] <\sh> what about #kubuntu-bofs ? 
[12:22] <Riddell> gobby 10.130.8.255 
[12:22] <Riddell> ervin_uds: ^^
[12:23] <\sh> just internal ip addresses? and .255 looks like an broadcast
[12:24] <ervin_uds> \sh: raise the whisper threshold
[12:24] <ervin_uds> \sh: you're continously emitting
[12:25] <mornfall> \sh: you need to raise the threshold
[12:26] <ervin_uds> \sh: hello?
[12:26] <Tonio__> hi \sh
[12:28] <freeflying> teamspeak has no client for osx?
[12:28] <ervin_uds> Riddell: could you kick \sh until he goes back?
[12:28] <Riddell> ervin_uds: I'm not an op
[12:28] <ervin_uds> ah ok
[12:29] <ervin_uds> \sh: you're on mute, ping me when you're back
[12:33] <\sh> damn windows
[12:33] <\sh> just locked my windows and everything is messed up
[12:34] <ervin_uds> \sh: looks ok now, at least you're not emitting =)
[12:42] <\sh> whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;)
[12:51] <ervin_uds> \sh: it was aseigo
[12:51] <aseigo> which question?
[12:52] <ervin_uds> [12:42:02]  <\sh> whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;)
[12:52] <aseigo> haha
[12:52] <aseigo> i had laryngitis two days ago and my voice is still a little ... odd
[12:55] <jsgotangco> horse
[12:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:57] <\sh> hehe..I never heard aseigos voice before, just read his articles on his blog ;)
[12:57] <\sh> so I was surprised...it wasn't Riddells voice 
[01:00] <aseigo> yes, i took over his body momentarily
[01:00] <aseigo> i have psychic powers like that ;0
[01:01] <aseigo> (and my healthy voice sounds different =)
[01:02] <\sh> aseigo: can you read my future, too? ;)
[01:02] <apokryphos> only if he can see your palm, I'm sure
[01:06] <\sh> so, I need to join the aKademy ;)
[01:06] <\sh> gobby.uds.ubuntu.com or canonical.com?
[01:07] <Riddell> \sh: ubuntu.com
[01:07] <\sh> let's see if I can connect
[01:10] <\sh> doesn't work 
[01:11] <seaLne> did you specify a port?
[01:12] <\sh> 6522
[01:13] <seaLne> the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate suggests you need to know which port for the session
[01:14] <Riddell> seaLne: ah, that could be it
[01:14] <\sh> so which port are we? I don't see the schedule ;)
[01:15] <Riddell> ok I need to just choose a port for gobby to work on that server
[01:17] <\sh> is there a way to see the paris bof schedule via web?
[01:17] <ajmitch_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/
[01:17] <ajmitch_> schedule for today, so far
[01:18] <\sh> cool
[02:58] <jjesse> did the confrence start already and if so is there a calnedar of what is happening each day and also i think there  was the ability to join via voice over ip or something?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jjesse: heya, it has, and yes thre is
[02:58] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/
[02:58] <Hobbsee> some of the devs need to learn to use push to talk though :(
[02:59] <jjesse> what program is it?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> teamspeak
[03:02] <jjesse> so how do i join?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jjesse: download teamspeak, connect to the server with your real name (otherwise fabbione isnt happy) and listen.  kill off kde sound first
[03:03] <Hobbsee> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com is the server
[03:03] <jjesse> is there a server name i need?
[03:04] <jjesse> ah thanks
[03:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:06] <jjesse> ah joined thanks Hobbsee
[03:06] <Hobbsee> jjesse: :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> check if you can hear/speak
[03:07] <Hobbsee> mic muted
[03:07] <jjesse> don't have a microphone on my laptop setup 
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:07] <jjesse> so i'll listen in :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:10] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco
[03:10] <jsgotangco> hi jjesse =)
[03:10] <jjesse> enjoying paris?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> jjesse: well we had our time to enjoy yesterday; today is all work after all we are in the middle of nowhere
[03:13] <jjesse> jsgotangco: grin, i hope work goes well then, joined teamspeak so i could listen in
[03:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ping
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hi Mez 
[04:16] <Mez> hi sarah
[04:19] <kwwii> re
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[04:42] <kwwii> sometimes I think I spend more time rebooting than actually working
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the chances of kde 3.5.4 getting in?
[05:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: easy, that happens end of july
[05:06] <Riddell> plenty time for it
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice.  just saw the talk of UVF and went "oh no".  should make a nice birthday present, actually.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> a bit late, but still good :)
[05:08] <jjesse> i'm in the teamspeak room for kde lanague pack, but i'm !microphone, so i'll listen in
[05:14] <freeflying|away> Riddell: will edgy use the coming release of cairo and fontconfig 
[05:14] <imbrandon> Riddell / Hobbsee / jjesse freeflying i would love to stay but i'm going on 24hrs no sleep, see you all in 6 - 8 hours
[05:15] <imbrandon> btw freeflying|away everything working ok on the shell ?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[05:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, what is the schedule for the kde"ish" stuff so i can be prepared for TS ?
[05:16] <jjesse> nigt imbrandon
[05:16] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: yep
[05:16] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, kool just makin sure ;)
[05:16] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: dose this cost you extra   :)
[05:16] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, nope not a penny
[05:16] <imbrandon> i pay for it anyway
[05:17] <imbrandon> i can make as many shell accounts as i wish , same price 
[05:17] <imbrandon> the only thing that cost me more is bandwith and i go no where even close to my limit ( and i also have a full ubuntu apt mirror on that server ) so no worries
[05:18] <imbrandon> i get 2018 Gb/month transfre and i only use about 100 maybe , if that
[05:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: we don't know, schedules are done late at night or early in the morning
[05:19] <freeflying|away> imbrandon_: heh, thx
[05:19] <Riddell> freeflying|away: no idea, you'd need to ask a gnome packager for cairo and I guess fontconfig will be merged with debian
[05:19] <imbrandon> ok Riddell, just wondering , i'll be back in a few hours, nap time 
[05:21] <freeflying|away> Riddell: a chinese join cairo upstream, and make great improvement for CJK in next release, also this will rake place in fonconfig 
[05:21] <freeflying|away> s/rake/take
[05:25] <Riddell> freeflying|away: we don't really use cairo in kubuntu/KDE, Qt4 uses it's own engine (arthur)
[05:25] <Riddell> which uses fontconfig
[05:26] <freeflying|away> Riddell: I see, just wonder wether ubuntu will use these  :)
[05:53] <Riddell> jjesse: where is Switching From Windows currently?
[05:53] <Riddell> hello ericthefish 
[05:53] <jjesse> currently just the wiki page that is very large and very ubuntu specific
[05:54] <jjesse> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SwitchingFromWindows
[05:54] <Riddell> ah yes, cool
[05:54] <Riddell> jjesse: what's the plan for adept docs in edgy?
[05:54] <jjesse> do i need a spec on it or should i just like to it from the KubuntuDocs/Edgy?
[05:55] <Riddell> "Adept will have manuals and guides" isn't very clear
[05:55] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm tidying up KubuntuDocs/Edgy now, that's all that is needed
[05:55] <jjesse> ok
[05:57] <Riddell> so is the plan to update the adept manual?
[05:57] <jjesse> yes, currently the manual covers version 1.0 and doesn't have anything about add/remove programs and is incorrect about other things
[05:58] <Riddell> groovy
[06:02] <jjesse> ok away eating lunch :)
[06:27] <hunger> apt
[06:42] <DaSkreech> -get
[06:49] <Mez> Riddell: ping#
[06:57] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[07:01] <Mez> Riddell; what';s going on with LRL ?
[07:01] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks for cleaning up the specification for me
[07:01] <Mez> it's got "KDE" and "KDE and Kubuntu" stands
[07:01] <Mez> in the exhibitors list
[07:03] <uniq> riddell: hi, could you please approve me for the ubuntu-irc launchpad group please? I can't access the bantracker on ubotu wihtout beeing a member of that group. thanks :)
[07:03] <Riddell> Mez: cool, we get twice a stand :)
[07:04] <Mez> Riddell: who's helping - just me and you?
[07:04] <Riddell> uniq: I have no idea about the policy of that group, who do I ask to find out?
[07:04] <Riddell> Mez: Ben Lamb is coming to big up KDE
[07:05] <Mez> Cool - cause like - I'm doing A/V and keysigning stuff too
[07:05] <uniq> riddell: you're an administrator, and seveas is the owner. I guess beeing a operator of one of the channels we have is enought to be included. But please ask just to be sure.
[07:07] <Seveas> uniq, ?
[07:07] <Mez> then i should be in the ubuntu-irc group too
[07:07] <Seveas> uniq/mez, are you operator in here?
[07:07] <uniq> seveas: i
[07:07] <uniq> 'm #kubuntu operator.
[07:07] <Mez> in #kubuntu
[07:08] <Seveas> uniq,  approved
[07:08] <Seveas> Mez,  please apply
[07:08] <uniq> seveas: thanks :)
[07:09] <Seveas> btw, bantracker is broken-ish right now, I'm working on it
[07:09] <jpatrick> Seveas: if I'm an op in #kubuntu should I too be in the group?
[07:09] <uniq> ok. should probably have cleaned up the banlist in #kubuntu, 50 bans, some very old.
[07:09] <Seveas> jpatrick,  approved
[07:10] <Seveas> btw: you lot might want to consider joining #ubuntu-ops and the ubuntu-irc mailing list 
[07:10] <Seveas> Mez,  approved
[07:11] <Mez> ty
[07:11] <uniq> seveas: i joined the ml some days ago.
[07:12] <Mez> Seveas - how high traffic is it ?
[07:12] <Mez> (the ML)
[07:12] <Seveas> very low
[07:12] <Mez> Riddell, is Kamion looking busy ?
[07:12] <Mez> Seveas - cool - I'll gmail it then
[07:12] <Seveas> only important things like the new ubotu 
[07:13] <jpatrick> Seveas: ok, thanks
[07:13] <Riddell> Mez: kamion is always busy
[07:14] <Seveas> Riddell, that's an understatement 
[07:14] <Riddell> Seveas: what's the policy on allowing people into ubuntu-irc?
[07:15] <Seveas> Riddell, they have to be op in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[07:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: op status on a channel I guess
[07:15] <Seveas> it's main purpose is to be able to view the bantracker
[07:15] <Seveas> s/'//
[07:15] <Mez> is it restricted then ? I got in fine
[07:15] <Seveas> even before?
[07:15] <Seveas> hmm..
[07:16] <uniq> mez: launchpad group? 
[07:16] <Riddell> Seveas: aren't bans handled by freenode chanserv?
[07:16] <Seveas> Riddell, no
[07:16] <Seveas> and in case of netsplits bans tend to loose data (like who set them and when) 
[07:16] <uniq> the bantracker is restricted. I tried to subscribe without beeing a member of ubuntu-irc launchpad group,and got rejected when i tried to login.
[07:16] <Seveas> and there's no ban history
[07:17] <Mez> oh, I thought you were on about the channel
[07:17] <Seveas> Mez, no, the only restricted thing is the bantracker, because you can comment on it
[07:18] <Riddell> Seveas: so how do I use this bantracker thing?
[07:18] <Mez> Seveas - ah ... er
[07:18] <Mez> it's evil - it wont let me use my alternative emails
[07:18] <Seveas> https://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi
[07:19] <Seveas> Mez, launchpad does not export those via rdf
[07:19] <Mez> I cnat use my main one - it's too clogged up atm
[07:22] <Seveas> jpatrick, did you get a mail from Ubugtu ?
[07:22] <jpatrick> No
[07:23] <Seveas> hmm, as I said, some things are broken ;)
[07:25] <uniq> it worked just fine for me.
[07:26] <linuxmonkey> bad Seveas bad Seveas...lol being happy about things being broken
[07:29] <uniq> i got my kubuntu cds today. they are nice. :)
[07:29] <linuxmonkey> bad uniq bad
[07:29] <linuxmonkey> lol
[07:29] <linuxmonkey> i need mine
[07:30] <linuxmonkey> so their nice
[07:30] <linuxmonkey> how many did u get?
[07:30] <uniq> don't know, 10 or so.
[07:35] <jjesse> hmmm i wonder if mine are in the mailbox at home
[07:35] <jjesse> that would be nice
[07:35] <linuxmonkey> i doubt id get mine anytime soon, im in canada
[07:36] <jjesse> hmm i'm in michigan usa just hoping :)
[07:36] <nixternal> i got mine too today
[07:36] <nixternal> 10kubuntu and 10ubuntu
[07:36] <jjesse> nixternal: where you at?
[07:36] <nixternal> across the pond from you jjesse
[07:36] <nixternal> take a paddle boat across lake michigan
[07:36] <nixternal> ;)
[07:36] <jjesse> a big paddle boat :)
[07:36] <nixternal> haha
[07:36] <nixternal> ya
[07:37] <nixternal> im in...sweet home chicago ;)
[07:37] <jjesse> nixternal: i don't remember but what was i supposed to email the ubuntu-doc list about? from the meeting on friday?
[07:37] <nixternal> oh wow
[07:37] <jjesse> do you remember?
[07:37] <nixternal> no ;)
[07:37] <nixternal> let me look at my log
[07:38] <jjesse> bummer going to have to read the log
[07:39] <linuxmonkey> lol
[07:39] <linuxmonkey> yeah I didnt get my cd's
[07:39] <linuxmonkey> :`(
[07:43] <Riddell> salut raphink 
[07:43] <raphink> hi Riddell :)
[07:43] <raphink> how are you?
[07:44] <Riddell> jjesse: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-edgy-docs
[07:45] <linuxmonkey> Riddell:  arent u supposed to be sleeping..lol
[07:46] <raphink> linuxmonkey: why would he be sleeping at 7:15PM ?
[07:46] <nixternal> it is only 9pm in Paris silly..who goes to bed that early?
[07:46] <nixternal> 8pm rather
[07:46] <linuxmonkey> lol
[07:46] <nixternal> 8 and 9 are to close to each other ;)
[07:46] <linuxmonkey> cause he been up for a long time without sleep
[07:47] <nixternal> you can do that when your geeked out ;)
[07:47] <jjesse> his girlfriend is probablly keeping him awake :)  and is also probablly the reason he is not responding :0
[07:47] <nixternal> lol
[07:47] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[07:48] <nixternal> jjesse: i am not seeing anything about emails from the #ubuntu-meeting logs...maybe it was in here when we were conversing to Riddell about Kubuntu docs?
[07:48] <jjesse> nixternal: i found it, should the switching guide be specific for kubuntu/ubuntu or generic
[07:48] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: I went to sleep last night at well before my normal time
[07:48] <Riddell> raphink: I'm groovy
[07:48] <nixternal> oh ya
[07:49] <raphink> Riddell: how is meeting going?
[07:49] <nixternal> Riddell is groovy...had a little to drink did ya ;)
[07:49] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[07:49] <raphink> nixternal: learn that riddell is always groovy ;)
[07:49] <nixternal> jjesse: windows switching right
[07:49] <nixternal> hahah raphink i have noticed
[07:49] <Riddell> raphink: everyone is here who should be, no really big kubuntu specs today hopefully we'll get some of the big ones scheduled for tomorrow
[07:49] <raphink> Riddell: does that mean I shouldn't be there?
[07:50] <Riddell> nixternal: at 9euro a beer I'm going to be teetotal until we can get to l'intermache and buy some cheap
[07:50] <nixternal> ouch
[07:50] <nixternal> hehe
[07:50] <jjesse> can we get the "big" ones scheduled later in the day so i can added via teamspeak?
[07:50] <nixternal> ya..i wouldn't mind listening in on some as this whole Kubuntu world amazes me ;)
[07:50] <Riddell> raphink: well everyone is here who I expeced to turn up
[07:51] <raphink> ah ok
[07:51] <Riddell> jjesse: I can't control the timing at all
[07:51] <jjesse> the developers just need to remember to push to talk
[07:51] <Riddell> and teamspeak is quite a hassle
[07:51] <raphink> you said "everyone is here who should be" so that was controversial ;)
[07:51] <jjesse> well if mics worked :)
[07:51] <nixternal> should just open a mic there at the meeting...and mute everyone else unless they are needed to speak
[07:51] <jjesse> doesn't work very well
[07:52] <jjesse> they tried it at the edgy release schedule one
[07:52] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:52] <nixternal> see...we have done it with skype and it worked like a charm
[07:52] <jjesse> maybe the mic wasn't very good ?
[07:52] <nixternal> although..we did use an amazing conference hardware setup though
[07:52] <nixternal> it could have been that jjesse...the mic we used in the skype conferences was top notch
[07:53] <nixternal> i know our boss paid a pretty penny for it
[07:53] <Riddell> the microphones are headset ones, they're not intended for group stuff
[07:53] <Riddell> plus there are 4 bofs in 1 room so there's lots of background noise
[07:53] <nixternal> i heard that yesterday...someone opened a mic and it sounded like a dance club ;)
[07:54] <nixternal> that and jdub beat boxing
[07:57] <Riddell> dinner time
[07:57] <nixternal> enjoy
[07:57] <nixternal> more work for me...client decided to make changes to named.conf.local and now get the good ol' rndc.key errors
[07:58] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[07:58] <nixternal> ya you laugh
[07:59] <nixternal> i can't even ssh into the server...omg windows people sook
[07:59] <linuxmonkey> time to get off yer ass and take a walk to the server
[08:00] <nixternal> server is in...ummm....texas i think
[08:00] <nixternal> it is a colo
[08:01] <nixternal> the office admin is like..oh we got a memo that stated ssh was insecure so we disabled it...
[08:01] <nixternal> everything is insecure...whats next...get rid of the computer
[08:01] <nixternal> arg...bbiab
[08:02] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[08:02] <linuxmonkey> ssh is essencial
[08:17] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-06-18/
[08:17] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Kitten :)
[08:18] <jpatrick> woohoo
[08:45] <DaSkreech> http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/
[10:17] <LjL> hello... just had a little discussion about Kopete on #kubuntu. i've only now started using it, and i see that, by default, it sends *quite* a bit of information to the other clients that i might not really want to give away
[10:17] <railk> LjL: for one thing, (k)ubuntu is geared towards normals, not the more geeky type... afaik, it doesn't even have the build system installed by default, you need to get build-essential for that...
[10:17] <railk> so you dont need stuff like you listed
[10:17] <LjL> the options to disable that are rather well hidden, additionally. do you think this is really the desired default behavior?
[10:17] <LjL> railk: i don't think that's the main reason for them to be absent, honestly
[10:18] <railk> fine then
[10:18] <railk> present != enabled though...
[10:18] <railk> so if its some sort of privacy they could be present and disabled by default... or somthing
[10:20] <railk> so... making a bug report?
[10:21] <LjL> actually no, answering a bugger on the phone. but yeah, i'm going to make one
[10:21] <railk> hmm... is there a specific bug ticker for kopete or at least kde... since taking it further upstream probably isn't a bad idea
[10:22] <LjL> we're talking about defaults, i think it's rather more distro-specific
[10:22] <LjL> however i'm sure the Ubuntu devs *do* take bugs upstream when they think they're relevant there
[10:23] <railk> meh well after something i read recently i'm not so sure about that...
[10:23] <LjL> nobody's perfect i guess
[10:23] <railk> true :P
[10:23] <LjL> heh
[10:24] <railk> j/k
[10:24] <uniq> it's kopetes default i guess.
[10:24] <uniq> we could change it in kubuntu-default-settings
[10:24] <crimsun> railk: you best be kiddin'!
[10:24] <railk> lol
[10:24] <railk> omg it speaks!
[10:25] <LjL> it?
[10:26] <LjL> crimsun: what's your vote? is an instant messanger telling people if you're the terminal, if their window is focused, if you're typing at the keyboard and if you actually got a message shown on your screen .... is this good defaults?
[10:27] <railk> hmm, you forgot the "has the window been closed" message
[10:27] <railk> not sure where that one is included
[10:27] <crimsun> LjL: hmm, isn't that similar to what AIM and MSN use?
[10:28] <railk> crimsun: yes its exactly what they use, but does that mean kopete must use em too?
[10:28] <crimsun> railk: there's a fine balance between usability and security-via-paranoia
[10:28] <LjL> crimsun: that may be, and probably is. i stopped using messengers long ago, and had to restart now. however i don't quite care what they do, i don't think they're very much renowned for being secure or respecting privacy
[10:28] <railk> crimsun: a balance which has resulted in the discussion we are currently having
[10:28] <crimsun> railk: if /I/ were designing one, I'd code the option to be disabled by default
[10:29] <crimsun> notifications are nice, but they emit a bit too much info
[10:29] <LjL> crimsun: those options aren't too easy to find, and they must be modified for *every* account that you have -- no single place to disable them at once. really, i'd rather have SSH installed by default
[10:30] <crimsun> LjL: I would consider that a usability bug
[10:31] <LjL> ok. still even aside them, i don't really like spyware activated by default in my linux.
[10:31] <LjL> s/them/that/
[10:31] <crimsun> the philosophy the *buntus have adopted with sudo and no daemons listening on external interfaces suggests that all those options should be disabled by default
[10:32] <LjL> that's my opinion, too. oh by the way, it also sends client and OS version information by defalt
[10:33] <crimsun> doesn't Konqueror also do that by default?
[10:33] <crimsun> I don't think client+OS strings are /that/ big a deal in the grand scheme, since someone determined enough would just nmap
[10:35] <LjL> crimsun: and find what open, on Ubuntu?
[10:35] <LjL> honest question, i haven't tried nmapping my Ubuntu.
[10:36] <crimsun> LjL: no, the OS & version
[10:36] <LjL> crimsun: yes, but if nothing in the system's giving any answer, nmap will have a hard time getting that information
[10:37] <crimsun> LjL: nmap just inspects tcp behaviour (timestamps, reactions to combinations of syns/acks/syn-acks/rejs
[10:37] <crimsun> )
[10:38] <uniq> nmap does it just fine without any listening daemons. :)
[10:38] <LjL> and it can still do that well enough to obtain the OS information even if all ports are closed?
[10:38] <LjL> ok then
[10:38] <uniq> nmap rocks by the way. :)
[10:38] <crimsun> LjL: it can guess. Regardless, my point is that emitting client+OS version isn't all /that/ big a deal.
[10:40] <LjL> ok, granted.
[10:41] <LjL> i'm still not sure it should be given away by just any problem. web browsers sometimes have a use for that (for example, the Firefox website gives you the "right" download for your OS by default)... but an instant messenger?
[10:41] <LjL> s/just any problem/just any program/
[10:41] <crimsun> LjL: I have no objections if that info weren't emitted by default.
[10:42] <railk> btw LjL if your paranoid you will also want to change the "Resource" setting of the jabber protocol...
[10:42] <railk> also per-account
[10:42] <railk> unfortunatly talk.google.com *requires* ssl encryption so i can't exactly watch what is being sent...
[10:43] <LjL> railk: i'm not that paranoid. i'm really more paranoid about privacy-related information being sent than OS-related information. it just strikes me as useless that they're being sent
[10:44] <LjL> probably mostly harmless, but in any case useless
[10:44] <railk> yeah i've also always wondered what that was about...
[10:44] <uniq> advertising :)
[10:46] <LjL> railk, crimsun, uniq: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387
[10:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[10:47] <uniq> ljl: you could also consider making the same report upstream to kopete.
[10:48] <LjL> uniq: do you think? i felt this kind of thing, since it's related to defaults, is more distribution-specific than upstream-specific
[10:48] <railk> you could put it there for debate
[10:48] <uniq> railk: ok, i don't follow the discussion, just pretending to :)
[10:48] <railk> lol
[10:48] <uniq> ljl: kubuntu use kopete defaults by default as far as i can tell.
[10:48] <LjL> well, perhaps i will. let's just see how the thing evolves on launchpad right now though
[10:53] <LjL> railk: if i decide (or someone does) to take the bug upstream as well, my proposal would be to have a short first-run wizard (yeah, i know, but we already have plenty anyway...) asking about privacy
[10:54] <railk> just so you know whats its probably sending in terms of client/OS: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97947
[10:54] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 97947 in Jabber Plugin "Jabber "hide client info" feature (like in Gaim)" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]  
[10:54] <LjL> railk: should be good for everyone. you don't mind having those conveniences enabled, you're immediately shown where to find them
[10:55] <railk> ... and i'm off to bed
[10:55] <LjL> "Now in Jabber account configuration, you have a new Privacy tab."
[10:55] <LjL> so i used to not be able to disable those things *at all*, cool =)
[11:16] <allee> !teamspeak
[11:21] <lnxkde> what have been happening :)?
[11:22] <lnxkde> when the next dev releases will start :D I am anxious :)