=== claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] <\sh> goldenear: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/225-Windows-sucks,-Mac-sucks,-Gnome-Sucks-and-Kubuntu-Sucks,-too.html [12:18] \sh: hehe :) [12:19] <\sh> now he is famous ;) [12:21] <\sh> ok...I'm off...cu tomorrow or we hear each other on teamspeak :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] o oh [12:32] a new kurt blog [12:36] a its a summary of previous blogs === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] \sh_away: "Please enter your password." Which password? My personal account password? My administrator password? My god-mode password? [01:05] my goodness [01:05] this guy ddidn't ever try to understand that ubuntu/kubuntu users sudo [01:05] s/users/uses/ [01:06] if our KDE needs some love [01:06] this guys really needs some, too === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-252.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-252.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ze_M [n=kvirc@unaffiliated/zem/x-000001] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] is possible that anyone can help me recover data i erased? === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-161-254.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] morning [08:21] so where's Riddell hiding? :P [08:22] In Gay paris? [08:22] well, i'm in paris too [08:22] heh [08:22] heya mornfall and DaSkreech [08:22] mornfall: he got pretty burnt, he said, so... [08:22] eyo Hobbsee [08:23] Hi Hobbsee I assumed you were sleeping [08:23] Ubrnt? [08:23] burnt? === Hobbsee is not sleeping. i'ts 4pm [08:24] (it's nearly 2:30 AM here) [08:24] Oh right :-) [08:24] Burnt? [08:25] sunburnt === Hobbsee is off to wokr tonight. [08:26] Night shift? [08:26] yes [08:26] they called up, wanting me to start early [08:27] Heh [08:27] Well carry something to study :) === Hobbsee did that exam === DaSkreech goes to a welcome bed [08:28] i dont have more exams for anotehr week. [08:28] Oh .. Right [08:28] Sunday [08:28] The illegal thing [08:28] no, i'ts monday here... === DaSkreech 's brain hurts [08:29] @time sydney [08:29] Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 19 2006, 16:29:46 [08:29] DaSkreech: we're in front of you [08:30] Wait you are in Aus? [08:30] But imbrandon just runs on Australian time? [08:30] Ok glad that got sorted :) [08:30] *looks up* [08:31] I thought the 4 PM thing sounded kind of bogus :) [08:31] yes === imbrandon is american but my sleep scedule is more like an aussie if thats what you mean DaSkreech :0 [08:32] Right [08:32] sleep is for the dead [08:32] Funny :) [08:32] Well I'm crashing [08:32] More work tomorrow [08:32] hehe [08:32] nite DaSkreech [08:32] im soon thats for sure [08:33] You don't have my im [08:33] lol [08:33] i'm soon rather [08:34] plus...i wouldn't have to im ya..you are always here just like the rest of us ;) [08:34] :-D [08:34] :-zzzZZZ [08:35] .zZ(Fuzzy Ferret released. Most adopted OS of all time) === nixternal steals DaSkreech's pillow === DaSkreech gets a bigger marshmellow [08:35] lol [08:36] Catch you crew in a few [08:37] l8r === raphink-sleep [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:15] moin [09:15] hi kwwii [09:15] hi Hobbsee [09:16] hi Tonio_, kwwii, Hobbsee [09:16] hey Riddell :) [09:17] still burnt? [09:17] hi everyone [09:17] you'd need to ask someone else, I can't see myself [09:17] he looks like a tomato [09:17] :-) [09:17] hehe! === Hobbsee tries to imagine a tomato speaking at a dev conference. [09:18] Riddell: hi :-))) === Hobbsee pictures Riddell the tomato on the edgy cds. [09:19] he doesn't look like a tomato [09:20] oh pity. [09:20] 1) tomatoes are much more red 2) tomatoes don't wear beards [09:20] anything else i may have missed? :] [09:21] morning mornfall! [09:21] morning Riddell [09:21] hh === Hobbsee curses her e key. [09:21] mornin' everyone ;) [09:21] i'll fall asleep in few minutes [09:21] hehe [09:21] eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee work you silly key! [09:22] LOL [09:22] Riddell: i'm around 3 o'clock from you [09:24] mornfall: hmm, I seem to have failed to register kubuntu-edgy-package-manager for this summit [09:24] Riddell: it can be registered still i suppose? people are creating specs still [09:24] anyhow [09:24] mornfall: yes, actually I think we'll need to make few specs for each part of that [09:25] could do [09:26] Riddell: going to say something? [09:29] Hobbsee: already have, but these introductions aren't on teamspeak [09:29] rebooting, brb [09:29] Riddell: ah ok. i was actually meaning on TS, but yeah. are people taking notes or something for interesting bits? [09:29] or are we just listening from TS? [09:32] Hobbsee: just now we're all introducting our specs, but all the specs already have a text introduction on their launchpad page === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:33] for the BoFs for the actual spec discussions that'll be on teamspeak [09:33] argh [09:33] Riddell: fair enough [09:34] *yaaawn* [09:35] i suppose teamspeak is not quite apt-gettable? === Hobbsee throws a bucket of water onto mornfall [09:35] thanks === mornfall drowns [09:35] no, it's a shell script [09:35] i didnt throw that much on you! [09:35] i'm very skilled in drowning [09:35] mornfall: Mark did appologise for the evil proprietryness of it yesterday [09:36] become unskilled mornfall :P [09:40] grmble, the TS license blows [09:40] mornfall: we know, Mark's bountying anyone who wants to add the same functionality to Free Software === mornfall wgets [09:40] hehe [09:41] what license is jingle? [09:41] i suppose it's not quite trivial to extend, but could be a start [09:42] BSD [09:42] great [09:42] so there's something to start with :) [09:44] mornfall: get ready to introduce adept-usability === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] Riddell: me? pff [09:44] Riddell: why not you? [09:45] lol [09:45] i have no idea what to say :) [09:45] mornfall: adept is your baby :) [09:45] say we'll be getting ellen to do a usability review [09:45] sure, but i don't like to speak :) [09:45] please...... [09:45] mornfall: it's just like IRC but louder === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] nah [09:45] *frown* [09:46] LOL Riddell [09:46] irc but louder lol [09:46] that is classic...that has to be quoted [09:47] news worthy imbrandon..put into the pastebin [09:47] Riddell: okey, i can do it [09:47] you win :p [09:49] \sh welcome aboard ;) [09:54] hmm, teamspeak server seems broken [09:57] nobody can communicate? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6108E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:58] omg [09:58] turn it down [09:58] OWWW [09:58] ;) [10:01] I can't seem to connect to the server [10:01] Riddell: i see you on there..now you just quit [10:01] and your bac [10:04] strange, I can't see anybody [10:04] i don't see you know [10:05] [03:04:37] Jonathan Riddell quit [10:05] that is why ;) [10:05] s/know/now [10:05] ah hah [10:05] i see you now [10:05] hehe [10:06] you get it? [10:06] rm -r ~/teamspeak fixed it [10:06] good to know [10:06] rm -r fixes a lot of things ;) === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] you rock mornfall! === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] blah [10:16] :p [10:18] <\sh> moins [10:18] moin all [10:19] moin freeflying [10:20] teamspeak crashes on exit? [10:20] mornfall: did for me too [10:20] ok, so it's not me [10:20] nixternal: moin [10:21] libborqt... is that thing done with kylix? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:24] mornfall: do you have the teamspeak wget URL? [10:24] ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/teamspeak.org/releases/ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2 should do [10:24] thanks === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuParisSummit | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Mon 26th 21:00UTC === mlitz [n=mlitz@whistler.ftk.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] any idea what port teamspeak uses? i get no reply from server === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] seaLne: marais.ubuntu.com.8767: UDP [11:26] although I think it also uses TCP [11:27] gobby can not link to that server === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] freeflying: doesn't seem to be up yet [11:28] :) [11:33] Riddell: hmm well still can't connect and it isn't firewalled [11:45] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ [11:48] tnks: With ubuntu all I get all kind of HW support installed by default (OK, I get stuff installed that I might never need, but I do not care about the HD space). [11:49] Oh, sorry:-( === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:59] kdeversion [11:59] ups, sorry [11:59] Tonio_: where are you? [12:01] <\sh> Riddell: I will listen to the bof, but I can't answer via TS, because it will disturb the others around me, so what's the best way to contribute? [12:03] \sh: here I guess [12:04] can i just check, with TS the only settings i need to put in are the servername? [12:05] <\sh> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com , anonymous login and set the nickname [12:05] yep [12:06] wonder why i can't connect === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] <\sh> Riddell: do you have the ip address to connect gobby? [12:16] \sh: nope === ervin_uds [n=ipsquad@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ervin_uds wanna use gobby [12:18] <\sh> that reminds me of the pink floyd song: "Is anybody out there" ;) [12:19] <\sh> I'm sitting in the office, with my headset connected to windows...I feel ashamed [12:20] Riddell: better type it here I guess =) [12:20] Riddell: or in the topic [12:21] <\sh> what about #kubuntu-bofs ? [12:22] gobby 10.130.8.255 [12:22] ervin_uds: ^^ [12:23] <\sh> just internal ip addresses? and .255 looks like an broadcast [12:24] \sh: raise the whisper threshold [12:24] \sh: you're continously emitting [12:25] \sh: you need to raise the threshold [12:26] \sh: hello? [12:26] hi \sh [12:28] teamspeak has no client for osx? [12:28] Riddell: could you kick \sh until he goes back? [12:28] ervin_uds: I'm not an op [12:28] ah ok [12:29] \sh: you're on mute, ping me when you're back [12:33] <\sh> damn windows [12:33] <\sh> just locked my windows and everything is messed up [12:34] \sh: looks ok now, at least you're not emitting =) [12:42] <\sh> whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;) === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] \sh: it was aseigo === aseigo [n=aseigo@kde/aseigo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] which question? [12:52] [12:42:02] <\sh> whoever spoke there, I can't understand him...let him use a mic ;) [12:52] haha === aseigo has a horse voice ... [12:52] i had laryngitis two days ago and my voice is still a little ... odd [12:55] horse [12:55] heh [12:57] <\sh> hehe..I never heard aseigos voice before, just read his articles on his blog ;) [12:57] <\sh> so I was surprised...it wasn't Riddells voice === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] yes, i took over his body momentarily [01:00] i have psychic powers like that ;0 [01:01] (and my healthy voice sounds different =) [01:02] <\sh> aseigo: can you read my future, too? ;) [01:02] only if he can see your palm, I'm sure [01:06] <\sh> so, I need to join the aKademy ;) [01:06] <\sh> gobby.uds.ubuntu.com or canonical.com? [01:07] \sh: ubuntu.com [01:07] <\sh> let's see if I can connect [01:10] <\sh> doesn't work [01:11] did you specify a port? [01:12] <\sh> 6522 [01:13] the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate suggests you need to know which port for the session [01:14] seaLne: ah, that could be it [01:14] <\sh> so which port are we? I don't see the schedule ;) [01:15] ok I need to just choose a port for gobby to work on that server [01:17] <\sh> is there a way to see the paris bof schedule via web? [01:17] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ [01:17] schedule for today, so far [01:18] <\sh> cool === seaLne gives up with trying to get TS to work and settles for listening to groove salad instead === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.87.243] has joined #kubuntu-devel === profoX` [i=d00f@d54C0FBA7.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-9-234.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] did the confrence start already and if so is there a calnedar of what is happening each day and also i think there was the ability to join via voice over ip or something? [02:58] jjesse: heya, it has, and yes thre is [02:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/ [02:58] some of the devs need to learn to use push to talk though :( [02:59] what program is it? [02:59] teamspeak [03:02] so how do i join? [03:03] jjesse: download teamspeak, connect to the server with your real name (otherwise fabbione isnt happy) and listen. kill off kde sound first [03:03] teamspeak.uds.canonical.com is the server [03:03] is there a server name i need? [03:04] ah thanks [03:04] :) [03:06] ah joined thanks Hobbsee [03:06] jjesse: :) [03:06] check if you can hear/speak [03:07] mic muted [03:07] don't have a microphone on my laptop setup [03:07] ah ok [03:07] so i'll listen in :) [03:07] :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] morning jsgotangco [03:10] hi jjesse =) [03:10] enjoying paris? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] jjesse: well we had our time to enjoy yesterday; today is all work after all we are in the middle of nowhere [03:13] jsgotangco: grin, i hope work goes well then, joined teamspeak so i could listen in === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 is now known as freeflying [03:57] mornfall: ping === Mez [i=Mez@195.112.61.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] hi Mez [04:16] hi sarah === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] re [04:20] hey kwwii === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] sometimes I think I spend more time rebooting than actually working === kwwii will be right back === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] Riddell: the chances of kde 3.5.4 getting in? [05:06] Hobbsee: easy, that happens end of july [05:06] plenty time for it [05:07] Riddell: nice. just saw the talk of UVF and went "oh no". should make a nice birthday present, actually. [05:07] a bit late, but still good :) [05:08] i'm in the teamspeak room for kde lanague pack, but i'm !microphone, so i'll listen in === Hobbsee wonders just how good Riddell is at organisation. === Hobbsee hopes he's very good at it, if everything that we want gets in. [05:14] Riddell: will edgy use the coming release of cairo and fontconfig [05:14] Riddell / Hobbsee / jjesse freeflying i would love to stay but i'm going on 24hrs no sleep, see you all in 6 - 8 hours [05:15] btw freeflying|away everything working ok on the shell ? [05:15] night imbrandon [05:16] Riddell, what is the schedule for the kde"ish" stuff so i can be prepared for TS ? [05:16] nigt imbrandon [05:16] imbrandon: yep [05:16] freeflying|away, kool just makin sure ;) [05:16] imbrandon_: dose this cost you extra :) [05:16] freeflying|away, nope not a penny [05:16] i pay for it anyway [05:17] i can make as many shell accounts as i wish , same price [05:17] the only thing that cost me more is bandwith and i go no where even close to my limit ( and i also have a full ubuntu apt mirror on that server ) so no worries [05:18] i get 2018 Gb/month transfre and i only use about 100 maybe , if that [05:19] ;) [05:19] imbrandon: we don't know, schedules are done late at night or early in the morning [05:19] imbrandon_: heh, thx [05:19] freeflying|away: no idea, you'd need to ask a gnome packager for cairo and I guess fontconfig will be merged with debian [05:19] ok Riddell, just wondering , i'll be back in a few hours, nap time === Hobbsee sort of beds. [05:21] Riddell: a chinese join cairo upstream, and make great improvement for CJK in next release, also this will rake place in fonconfig [05:21] s/rake/take [05:25] freeflying|away: we don't really use cairo in kubuntu/KDE, Qt4 uses it's own engine (arthur) [05:25] which uses fontconfig [05:26] Riddell: I see, just wonder wether ubuntu will use these :) === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ericthefish [n=ericthef@opticblue.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] jjesse: where is Switching From Windows currently? [05:53] hello ericthefish [05:53] currently just the wiki page that is very large and very ubuntu specific [05:54] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SwitchingFromWindows [05:54] ah yes, cool [05:54] jjesse: what's the plan for adept docs in edgy? [05:54] do i need a spec on it or should i just like to it from the KubuntuDocs/Edgy? [05:55] "Adept will have manuals and guides" isn't very clear [05:55] jjesse: I'm tidying up KubuntuDocs/Edgy now, that's all that is needed [05:55] ok [05:57] so is the plan to update the adept manual? [05:57] yes, currently the manual covers version 1.0 and doesn't have anything about add/remove programs and is incorrect about other things [05:58] groovy === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:02] ok away eating lunch :) === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [06:27] apt [06:42] -get [06:49] Riddell: ping# [06:57] hi Mez === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] Riddell; what';s going on with LRL ? [07:01] Riddell: thanks for cleaning up the specification for me [07:01] it's got "KDE" and "KDE and Kubuntu" stands [07:01] in the exhibitors list [07:03] riddell: hi, could you please approve me for the ubuntu-irc launchpad group please? I can't access the bantracker on ubotu wihtout beeing a member of that group. thanks :) [07:03] Mez: cool, we get twice a stand :) [07:04] Riddell: who's helping - just me and you? [07:04] uniq: I have no idea about the policy of that group, who do I ask to find out? [07:04] Mez: Ben Lamb is coming to big up KDE [07:05] Cool - cause like - I'm doing A/V and keysigning stuff too [07:05] riddell: you're an administrator, and seveas is the owner. I guess beeing a operator of one of the channels we have is enought to be included. But please ask just to be sure. [07:07] uniq, ? [07:07] then i should be in the ubuntu-irc group too [07:07] uniq/mez, are you operator in here? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-91.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] seveas: i [07:07] 'm #kubuntu operator. [07:07] in #kubuntu [07:08] uniq, approved [07:08] Mez, please apply [07:08] seveas: thanks :) [07:09] btw, bantracker is broken-ish right now, I'm working on it [07:09] Seveas: if I'm an op in #kubuntu should I too be in the group? [07:09] ok. should probably have cleaned up the banlist in #kubuntu, 50 bans, some very old. [07:09] jpatrick, approved [07:10] btw: you lot might want to consider joining #ubuntu-ops and the ubuntu-irc mailing list [07:10] Mez, approved [07:11] ty [07:11] seveas: i joined the ml some days ago. [07:12] Seveas - how high traffic is it ? [07:12] (the ML) [07:12] very low [07:12] Riddell, is Kamion looking busy ? [07:12] Seveas - cool - I'll gmail it then [07:12] only important things like the new ubotu [07:13] Seveas: ok, thanks [07:13] Mez: kamion is always busy [07:14] Riddell, that's an understatement [07:14] Seveas: what's the policy on allowing people into ubuntu-irc? [07:15] Riddell, they have to be op in #kubuntu or #ubuntu [07:15] Riddell: op status on a channel I guess [07:15] it's main purpose is to be able to view the bantracker [07:15] s/'// [07:15] is it restricted then ? I got in fine [07:15] even before? [07:15] hmm.. [07:16] mez: launchpad group? [07:16] Seveas: aren't bans handled by freenode chanserv? [07:16] Riddell, no [07:16] and in case of netsplits bans tend to loose data (like who set them and when) [07:16] the bantracker is restricted. I tried to subscribe without beeing a member of ubuntu-irc launchpad group,and got rejected when i tried to login. [07:16] and there's no ban history [07:17] oh, I thought you were on about the channel [07:17] Mez, no, the only restricted thing is the bantracker, because you can comment on it [07:18] Seveas: so how do I use this bantracker thing? [07:18] Seveas - ah ... er [07:18] it's evil - it wont let me use my alternative emails [07:18] https://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi [07:19] Mez, launchpad does not export those via rdf [07:19] I cnat use my main one - it's too clogged up atm === jpatrick can't log in [07:22] jpatrick, did you get a mail from Ubugtu ? [07:22] No [07:23] hmm, as I said, some things are broken ;) [07:25] it worked just fine for me. [07:26] bad Seveas bad Seveas...lol being happy about things being broken [07:29] i got my kubuntu cds today. they are nice. :) [07:29] bad uniq bad [07:29] lol [07:29] i need mine [07:30] so their nice [07:30] how many did u get? [07:30] don't know, 10 or so. [07:35] hmmm i wonder if mine are in the mailbox at home [07:35] that would be nice [07:35] i doubt id get mine anytime soon, im in canada [07:36] hmm i'm in michigan usa just hoping :) [07:36] i got mine too today [07:36] 10kubuntu and 10ubuntu [07:36] nixternal: where you at? [07:36] across the pond from you jjesse [07:36] take a paddle boat across lake michigan [07:36] ;) [07:36] a big paddle boat :) [07:36] haha [07:36] ya [07:37] im in...sweet home chicago ;) [07:37] nixternal: i don't remember but what was i supposed to email the ubuntu-doc list about? from the meeting on friday? [07:37] oh wow [07:37] do you remember? [07:37] no ;) [07:37] let me look at my log [07:38] bummer going to have to read the log [07:39] lol [07:39] yeah I didnt get my cd's [07:39] :`( === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] salut raphink [07:43] hi Riddell :) [07:43] how are you? [07:44] jjesse: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-edgy-docs [07:45] Riddell: arent u supposed to be sleeping..lol [07:46] linuxmonkey: why would he be sleeping at 7:15PM ? [07:46] it is only 9pm in Paris silly..who goes to bed that early? [07:46] 8pm rather [07:46] lol [07:46] 8 and 9 are to close to each other ;) [07:46] cause he been up for a long time without sleep [07:47] you can do that when your geeked out ;) [07:47] his girlfriend is probablly keeping him awake :) and is also probablly the reason he is not responding :0 [07:47] lol [07:47] lmao [07:48] jjesse: i am not seeing anything about emails from the #ubuntu-meeting logs...maybe it was in here when we were conversing to Riddell about Kubuntu docs? [07:48] nixternal: i found it, should the switching guide be specific for kubuntu/ubuntu or generic [07:48] linuxmonkey: I went to sleep last night at well before my normal time [07:48] raphink: I'm groovy [07:48] oh ya [07:49] Riddell: how is meeting going? [07:49] Riddell is groovy...had a little to drink did ya ;) [07:49] lmao [07:49] nixternal: learn that riddell is always groovy ;) [07:49] jjesse: windows switching right [07:49] hahah raphink i have noticed [07:49] raphink: everyone is here who should be, no really big kubuntu specs today hopefully we'll get some of the big ones scheduled for tomorrow [07:49] Riddell: does that mean I shouldn't be there? [07:50] nixternal: at 9euro a beer I'm going to be teetotal until we can get to l'intermache and buy some cheap [07:50] ouch [07:50] hehe [07:50] can we get the "big" ones scheduled later in the day so i can added via teamspeak? [07:50] ya..i wouldn't mind listening in on some as this whole Kubuntu world amazes me ;) [07:50] raphink: well everyone is here who I expeced to turn up [07:51] ah ok [07:51] jjesse: I can't control the timing at all [07:51] the developers just need to remember to push to talk [07:51] and teamspeak is quite a hassle [07:51] you said "everyone is here who should be" so that was controversial ;) [07:51] well if mics worked :) [07:51] should just open a mic there at the meeting...and mute everyone else unless they are needed to speak [07:51] doesn't work very well [07:52] they tried it at the edgy release schedule one [07:52] ahhh [07:52] see...we have done it with skype and it worked like a charm [07:52] maybe the mic wasn't very good ? [07:52] although..we did use an amazing conference hardware setup though [07:52] it could have been that jjesse...the mic we used in the skype conferences was top notch [07:53] i know our boss paid a pretty penny for it [07:53] the microphones are headset ones, they're not intended for group stuff [07:53] plus there are 4 bofs in 1 room so there's lots of background noise [07:53] i heard that yesterday...someone opened a mic and it sounded like a dance club ;) [07:54] that and jdub beat boxing === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] dinner time [07:57] enjoy [07:57] more work for me...client decided to make changes to named.conf.local and now get the good ol' rndc.key errors [07:58] lmao [07:58] ya you laugh [07:59] i can't even ssh into the server...omg windows people sook [07:59] time to get off yer ass and take a walk to the server [08:00] server is in...ummm....texas i think [08:00] it is a colo [08:01] the office admin is like..oh we got a memo that stated ssh was insecure so we disabled it... [08:01] everything is insecure...whats next...get rid of the computer [08:01] arg...bbiab [08:02] lmao [08:02] ssh is essencial === robotgeek_away [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:17] jpatrick: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-06-18/ [08:17] jpatrick: Kitten :) [08:18] woohoo [08:45] http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@59.92.41.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel === keyne [n=fred@blacklight.homeip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LjL [n=ljl@62-101-126-215.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === railk [n=railk@240.53.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] hello... just had a little discussion about Kopete on #kubuntu. i've only now started using it, and i see that, by default, it sends *quite* a bit of information to the other clients that i might not really want to give away [10:17] LjL: for one thing, (k)ubuntu is geared towards normals, not the more geeky type... afaik, it doesn't even have the build system installed by default, you need to get build-essential for that... [10:17] so you dont need stuff like you listed [10:17] the options to disable that are rather well hidden, additionally. do you think this is really the desired default behavior? [10:17] railk: i don't think that's the main reason for them to be absent, honestly [10:18] fine then [10:18] present != enabled though... [10:18] so if its some sort of privacy they could be present and disabled by default... or somthing [10:20] so... making a bug report? [10:21] actually no, answering a bugger on the phone. but yeah, i'm going to make one [10:21] hmm... is there a specific bug ticker for kopete or at least kde... since taking it further upstream probably isn't a bad idea === verwilst [n=verwilst@d54C1EB55.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:22] we're talking about defaults, i think it's rather more distro-specific [10:22] however i'm sure the Ubuntu devs *do* take bugs upstream when they think they're relevant there [10:23] meh well after something i read recently i'm not so sure about that... [10:23] nobody's perfect i guess [10:23] true :P === railk applies whips to ubuntu devs... slackers! ;) [10:23] heh [10:24] j/k [10:24] it's kopetes default i guess. [10:24] we could change it in kubuntu-default-settings [10:24] railk: you best be kiddin'! [10:24] lol [10:24] omg it speaks! [10:25] it? [10:26] crimsun: what's your vote? is an instant messanger telling people if you're the terminal, if their window is focused, if you're typing at the keyboard and if you actually got a message shown on your screen .... is this good defaults? [10:27] hmm, you forgot the "has the window been closed" message [10:27] not sure where that one is included [10:27] LjL: hmm, isn't that similar to what AIM and MSN use? [10:28] crimsun: yes its exactly what they use, but does that mean kopete must use em too? [10:28] railk: there's a fine balance between usability and security-via-paranoia [10:28] crimsun: that may be, and probably is. i stopped using messengers long ago, and had to restart now. however i don't quite care what they do, i don't think they're very much renowned for being secure or respecting privacy [10:28] crimsun: a balance which has resulted in the discussion we are currently having [10:28] railk: if /I/ were designing one, I'd code the option to be disabled by default [10:29] notifications are nice, but they emit a bit too much info [10:29] crimsun: those options aren't too easy to find, and they must be modified for *every* account that you have -- no single place to disable them at once. really, i'd rather have SSH installed by default [10:30] LjL: I would consider that a usability bug [10:31] ok. still even aside them, i don't really like spyware activated by default in my linux. [10:31] s/them/that/ [10:31] the philosophy the *buntus have adopted with sudo and no daemons listening on external interfaces suggests that all those options should be disabled by default [10:32] that's my opinion, too. oh by the way, it also sends client and OS version information by defalt [10:33] doesn't Konqueror also do that by default? [10:33] I don't think client+OS strings are /that/ big a deal in the grand scheme, since someone determined enough would just nmap [10:35] crimsun: and find what open, on Ubuntu? [10:35] honest question, i haven't tried nmapping my Ubuntu. === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] LjL: no, the OS & version [10:36] crimsun: yes, but if nothing in the system's giving any answer, nmap will have a hard time getting that information [10:37] LjL: nmap just inspects tcp behaviour (timestamps, reactions to combinations of syns/acks/syn-acks/rejs [10:37] ) [10:38] nmap does it just fine without any listening daemons. :) [10:38] and it can still do that well enough to obtain the OS information even if all ports are closed? [10:38] ok then [10:38] nmap rocks by the way. :) [10:38] LjL: it can guess. Regardless, my point is that emitting client+OS version isn't all /that/ big a deal. [10:40] ok, granted. [10:41] i'm still not sure it should be given away by just any problem. web browsers sometimes have a use for that (for example, the Firefox website gives you the "right" download for your OS by default)... but an instant messenger? [10:41] s/just any problem/just any program/ [10:41] LjL: I have no objections if that info weren't emitted by default. [10:42] btw LjL if your paranoid you will also want to change the "Resource" setting of the jabber protocol... [10:42] also per-account [10:42] unfortunatly talk.google.com *requires* ssl encryption so i can't exactly watch what is being sent... [10:43] railk: i'm not that paranoid. i'm really more paranoid about privacy-related information being sent than OS-related information. it just strikes me as useless that they're being sent [10:44] probably mostly harmless, but in any case useless [10:44] yeah i've also always wondered what that was about... === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] advertising :) [10:46] railk, crimsun, uniq: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/50387 [10:46] Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-109-126.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [10:47] ljl: you could also consider making the same report upstream to kopete. === railk also suggested that a while ago [10:48] uniq: do you think? i felt this kind of thing, since it's related to defaults, is more distribution-specific than upstream-specific [10:48] you could put it there for debate [10:48] railk: ok, i don't follow the discussion, just pretending to :) [10:48] lol [10:48] ljl: kubuntu use kopete defaults by default as far as i can tell. [10:48] well, perhaps i will. let's just see how the thing evolves on launchpad right now though === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-161-254.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:53] railk: if i decide (or someone does) to take the bug upstream as well, my proposal would be to have a short first-run wizard (yeah, i know, but we already have plenty anyway...) asking about privacy [10:54] just so you know whats its probably sending in terms of client/OS: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97947 [10:54] KDE bug 97947 in Jabber Plugin "Jabber "hide client info" feature (like in Gaim)" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] [10:54] railk: should be good for everyone. you don't mind having those conveniences enabled, you're immediately shown where to find them [10:55] ... and i'm off to bed [10:55] "Now in Jabber account configuration, you have a new Privacy tab." [10:55] so i used to not be able to disable those things *at all*, cool =) === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] !teamspeak [11:21] what have been happening :)? [11:22] when the next dev releases will start :D I am anxious :) === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel