[12:18] <jdong|coreduo> UWN #3 has a slight inaccuracy, I think
[12:18] <jdong|coreduo> "Security vulnerabilities found in the following packages have been fixed in all affected Ubuntu releases"
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> it's not a true statement
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> thunderbird (like firefox) has not been fixed for Hoary/Breezy
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> due to the 1.0.x series losing upstream support
[12:20] <jdong|coreduo> I believe ubuntu-devel has had some discussion on that issue, and it's worth mentioning in the newsletter in a bit more detail
[12:42] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, can you revise UWN #3 a bit, regarding security updates?
[12:42] <jdong|coreduo> namely, that thunderbird and firefox vulns still exist for Breezy and Hoary?
[12:43] <jdong|coreduo> (1.0.8 no support)
[12:47] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: in a few min i can (or you can if you want/have time)
[12:48] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, I'll wait patiently, as long as you will eventually do it :)
[12:48] <jdong|coreduo> you can word it better than me
[12:49] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: hehe, ok, i will do it in a few min
[12:49] <jdong|coreduo> thanks very much
[12:57] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: np, so its that upstream does not support them anymore correct?
[12:58] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, correct; there is a discussion on ubuntu-devel (the list) about viable options
[12:58] <jdong|coreduo> so it may be nice to link to that discussion
[12:58] <mgalvin> ok, i will check... been a long week *sigh* so i haven't gotten to everything yet
[12:58] <mgalvin> indeed, i will
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-June/018506.html
[12:59] <mgalvin> thanks
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> that's the discussion on firefox
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> it basically applies to thunderbird, too :)
[12:59] <crimsun> jdong|coreduo: do you mind making one of reinhard, sebastian, or myself an admin of ubuntu-backports on LP?
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> crimsun, not at all
[12:59] <crimsun> jdong|coreduo: great, thanks much
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> crimsun, are only owners allowed to do that?
[01:01] <crimsun> hmm, I think
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> I'm not seeing the ability to do it from here
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> mez is the owner
[01:02] <crimsun> ok
[01:02] <jdong|coreduo> so if you can get ahold of him... :)
[01:31] <Burgundavia> hey all
[02:38] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: around?
[02:39] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: hey (an hour later ;))
[02:40] <Burgundavia> hey mgalvin
[04:04] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia...how was the trip?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> nixternal: it was good
[06:11] <nixternal> good deal
[06:11] <nixternal> now your heading to the big easy
[06:11] <nixternal> that should smell pretty bad ;)
[06:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:13] <nixternal> i think my dad just headed down there as a matter of fact for some work
[06:13] <Burgundavia> just a sec, dbus died on me
[06:13] <nixternal> lol
[06:13] <nixternal> nice
[06:13] <Burgundavia> ie: I need to restart (bloody dbus)
[06:18] <Burgundavia> ok, back
[08:29] <Burgundavia> LaserJock_: we be done, eh?
[08:29] <LaserJock_> I guess
[08:30] <LaserJock_> I don't have any emails
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I believe we are waiting for the press release, on Thursday
[08:30] <Burgundavia> now come the bug reports
[08:30] <LaserJock_> hehe
[08:30] <Madpilot> the book is finally done?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, something else. See my blog post
[08:30] <LaserJock_> well at least Userful is in the maintainer field ;-)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:31] <Burgundavia> it is our junk
[08:31] <Burgundavia> did you note that our stuff is 6.8.2, not 6.9/7.0?
[08:32] <LaserJock_> I didn't pay much attention, figures though
[08:32] <LaserJock_> I got Jason in -motu though ;-)
[08:32] <LaserJock_> we did a little pbuilder Q&A
[08:33] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I had a good chat with Tim and Daniels father at CLA (who also happens to work for the company)
[08:33] <Burgundavia> the message of Ubuntu is slowly seeping in
[08:33] <LaserJock_> good
[08:33] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so is this the thingie that Userful uses to multiply X to many stations?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: indeed it is
[08:34] <Burgundavia> in multiverse! terribly shiny and all that
[08:34] <Madpilot> nice... the dapper-changes email was a bit... cryptic, and technical
[08:35] <LaserJock_> of course ;-)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> press release on Thursday
[08:35] <Burgundavia> there is also growing talk about open sourcing our stuff
[08:35] <Madpilot> ah, there will be something human-readable :) For a press-release value of 'readable', anyway
[08:35] <Burgundavia> just need to convince Tim
[08:36] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:36] <LaserJock_> I've already go some questions from \sh and ogra about it
[08:36] <Madpilot> isn't your multiseat widget most of your 'stuff' in this case?
[08:36] <LaserJock_> hehe, "What the heck is a NEW package doing in updates"
[08:36] <Burgundavia> yes and no
[08:36] <LaserJock_> Burgundavia: you should tell him that if it was opensource he would have free packaging :-)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:37] <LaserJock_> it's true
[08:37] <Burgundavia> not really a business case,sadly
[08:37] <LaserJock_> free slave labor :-)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> tell \sh and ogra "Welcome to the brave new Dapper universe"
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I expect to see more stuff like it in our multiverse over time
[08:38] <Burgundavia> oracle db express? skype?
[08:39] <LaserJock_> yeah, ogra said mvo is really trying to push stuff like that forward
[08:39] <Burgundavia> I expect the pressure also coming from malc, sabdfl and jdub
[08:43] <Burgundavia> night all
[08:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock_: chase up your pay this week (I will be away, as stated on p.u.c)
[08:44] <LaserJock_> ok, thanks
[10:25] <Madpilot> heh - nice spec name: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DrinkingFromTheFirehose
[10:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:30] <Madpilot> I really should get into bughunting/triaging a bit more
[10:32] <LaserJock> yep
[10:32] <LaserJock> and Henrik just talked about trying to get forum people working on that too
[10:33] <Madpilot> good - the perennial forum/rest of Ubuntu divide gets a bit narrower ;)
[10:38] <LaserJock> there is a forum person, ubuntu_deamon I believe, here
[10:39] <Madpilot> gah... why does LP always return errors on the more interesting bugs? :|
[11:45] <LaserJock> mdke: hi!
[12:10] <mdke> LaserJock: hello
[12:13] <mdke> LaserJock: having fun?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> wish we had proper outlets here though
[01:16] <jenda> Is the ubuntu 64 bit version documented somewhere? Can't really find anything in the wiki.
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 64 in pwlib "pwlib: FTBFS: Shared libraries without -fPIC." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=64
[01:19] <jenda> thanks, Ubugtu
[01:22] <dsas> jenda: I guess it depends on what exactly you want documented, I believe there's documentation on using 32bit chroots for various things, I'm not sure what else you'd need (I don't use the platform myself)
[01:23] <jenda> I don't use it either, but a guy's asking wether it's a good idea to install it, or wether to use 32 bit
[01:24] <dsas> I think most things just work, but you run into problems with non-free stuff - w32codecs, flash are two that are usually issues I think.
[01:24] <jenda> OK
[01:25] <jenda> thanks.
[01:26] <dsas> They can work, but you have to install the app in a 32bit chroot, I don't know how hard that is, or how strong the documentation on it is. It won't just work in any case.
[01:27] <jenda> Yes, just found that in - where else - /RestrictedFormats on the wiki :)
[06:22] <mdke> we have wiki
[06:40] <Burgwork> mdke, we migrated?
[06:57] <mvirkkil> Hmm.. What's going on?
[08:15] <mdke> Burgwork: yes
[08:15] <robotgeek> hey mdke 
[08:15] <mdke> hiya
[08:18] <Burgwork> mdke, sweetness. You in Paris?
[08:49] <jjesse> how can i keep my kubuntu wiki theme across on help.ubuntu.com for documeation?
[08:50] <jjesse> hmmm also need to keep me logged in when i tranfsfer over to help.ubuntu.com from wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <Burgwork> jjesse, currently neither of those is possible
[08:53] <jjesse> we should make those possible :)
[08:56] <Burgwork> the 2nd would require shared cookies
[08:56] <Burgwork> I believe the LP people are working on it
[09:01] <jjesse> cool, need to add the kubuntu theme as well:)
[09:20] <mdke> Burgwork: nope
[09:21] <Burgwork> mdke, hmm, so only jerome is there. I guess Laser_away is as well
[09:23] <mdke> he is yeah
[09:23] <mdke> jjesse: i'll ask to get that kubuntu theme added
[09:29] <jjesse> mdke: thanks
[09:30] <jjesse> btw congrats on geting the move done
[09:30] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:23] <tormod> after the wiki-move to help.ubuntu.com, most of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingProcedures is broken. What's the plan?
[10:23] <Burgwork> tormod, fix the links as needed
[10:24] <tormod> burgwork, link to the old wiki?
[10:24] <Burgwork> tormod, yep
[10:25] <tormod> burgwork, are you sure the missing pages should not be moved to h.u.c ?
[10:27] <Burgwork> tormod, can you email ubuntu-doc with a list of broken links for discussion?
[11:08] <tormod> burgwork, sure - done.
[11:10] <tormod> burgwork, but "Post by non-member to a members-only list" "awaits moderator approval"
[11:12] <Burgwork> tormod, it will get passed, but might take a bit