/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/06/19/#ubuntu-motu.txt

raphinkmalone 112:27
UbugtuMalone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/112:27
raphinkdebian 32683312:27
UbugtuDebian bug 326833 in kdelibs "Subject: kdelibs: KDE pseudoprinters do not work" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/32683312:27
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zulwheee..02:44
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Hobbseegreetings all04:38
HawkwindHey there Hobbsee04:38
Hobbseehey Hawkwind :)04:38
KyralAh Hobbsee04:39
HawkwindHobbsee: xchat-2.6.4 uploaded to REVU today :)04:39
KyralI have been wanting to talk with you04:39
Hobbseehey Kyral04:42
HobbseeHawkwind: yay!04:42
HobbseeKyral: what did you want to talk with me about?04:42
HawkwindHobbsee: It's my first package ever, so if you review it, take it easy on me :)04:43
=== Hobbsee cant review :P
=== Hobbsee is not a MOTU
Hobbseewell, i can, but i probably wouldnt find much04:44
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HawkwindAhhh. For some reason I thought ya were04:44
HawkwindAgain, it's my newness to the Ubuntu world :P04:44
KyralFrickin heck04:44
Hobbseewell...04:45
KyralDamn this hot weather04:45
HobbseeHawkwind: i'm not, but i started doing packaging in late dapper - only just before that froze, so i havent had that much experience04:45
Kyralmy machine can't stand it04:45
=== Hobbsee sends Kyral down here for a while.
KyralI wish04:45
KyralI'm about to go Liquid cooling04:46
HawkwindKyral: Where you at in the world ?04:46
HawkwindHobbsee: And where is 'down here' ?04:46
HobbseeHawkwind: australia04:46
KyralPotsdam NY04:46
KyralHobbsee: you use Konversation right?04:47
HawkwindKyral: Hah!  It's much hotter here in Houston, Texas I guarantee ya04:47
HawkwindHobbsee: Ohhh, nice04:47
KyralHobbsee: is that an offer to come visit?04:47
HobbseeKyral: hah.  and yes, i do04:47
KyralWell, I am looking for something to do in the 2 weeks between my job ending and school starting04:48
Hobbseeah, i see04:48
Kyralanywya wanna try some scripts I worked up for Konversation?04:48
HobbseeKyral: sure, what are they?04:49
Hobbseeplease tell me they ban by IP04:49
Kyral Just some simple things that I was using to play with DCOP04:49
=== Hobbsee really really wants that feature to be executed by keyboard, not just by mouse.
Kyralone pastes the URL of whatever is currently being viewed in Konqeror into the channel04:50
Kyrallike this04:50
KyralCurrently viewing in Konqueror: FSF - The Free Software Foundation, URL: https://www.fsf.org/04:50
Hobbseenice04:51
Kyralother just spits out the localtime04:51
KyralLocal Time is now: Sun Jun 18 22:53:00 EDT 200604:51
Hobbseeah yes, like @time sydney04:51
Hobbseecool :)04:51
Kyralwant them?04:52
=== Hobbsee still wants a ban by domain shortcut.
Kyrallol04:52
KyralI'll work on it04:52
Hobbseegood04:52
HobbseeKyral: you know what i'm meaning?04:52
Kyralyah ban an IP instead of a host04:52
Hobbseealso a kickban by domain shortcut, seeing as they should be fairly similar04:52
KyralI'll have to look at what DCOP functions do that04:52
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KyralSo can I come visit you in Aussieland? :P04:52
HobbseeKyral: right click on username, kick/ban, [ban/kickban]  *!*@domain04:53
Hobbseeis the one i want04:53
Hobbseeheh, you can if you really want.  no guarentee that i'll be there though04:53
Kyrallol04:53
KyralMaybe I can bug ajmitch :P04:53
KyralHe'd _LOVE_ that :P04:53
Hobbseeheh04:55
Hobbseei'm sure he would :P04:56
Hobbseehe'd hide from you04:56
Kyralhaah04:56
KyralAh well I wanna do something fun in the 2 weeks04:57
Kyralmaybe I'll take a trip down to NYC04:57
Hobbseebesides, you'd get eaten by snakes and crocodiles in australia04:58
Hobbseenot really sure why you'd want to come04:58
KyralEasy04:59
KyralI have never been there before :D04:59
Hobbseeyes, but you would get eaten04:59
Hobbseeand dont forget the viscious koalas.04:59
KyralMoh....you must think me un agile04:59
HobbseeKyral: why arent you in paris?05:00
KyralWork05:00
Kyraland not enough cash :P05:00
KyralI may go to OLS near the end of Joly05:00
KyralJuly even05:00
Hobbseenice05:00
Hobbseeheh.  cash is always a problem05:00
KyralOttawa is a LOT closer than Paris :P05:00
Hobbseehehe05:01
Hobbseewell yeah, but both are still stacks closer than here05:01
KyralBut take pictures okay?05:02
Hobbseeof what?  of aus?05:03
KyralHmm, maybe I should ask Russ Neslon if he wants to go to OLS...05:03
KyralNelson even05:03
Kyralno of Paris05:03
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KyralGah!05:17
Hobbseehah05:18
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Hobbseeright.  stay!05:18
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Hobbseei thought i told you to stay!05:52
Kyralyesh?05:52
Hobbseesilly people, entering and leaving the chat all the time...05:53
KyralIts the heat05:55
Kyralits not liking my machine05:55
crimsunbox it [the heat]  up and ship it to Hobbsee.05:56
Hobbseehehe thankyou :)05:56
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Hobbseenice :)06:03
imbrandonit was my "fathers day" gift from my 2 year old son ;)06:03
imbrandonheheh06:03
Hobbsee:P06:04
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ajmitchafternoon06:37
Hobbseehi ajmitch!06:37
HawkwindHey there ajmitch06:37
imbrandonheya ajmitch06:37
ajmitchexcellent, got hold of the person in melbourne...06:46
Hawkwindimbrandon: Congrats on the ipod, and happy fathers day as well :)06:46
imbrandonthanks Hawkwind06:47
Hobbseeajmitch: they're telling you not to come?  :P06:47
ajmitchhehe no06:47
Hobbseeoh.  pity :P06:47
imbrandonlol06:47
ajmitchyou don't want me to come to .au?06:47
=== Hobbsee raises an eyebrow. just think on that for a second.
=== ajmitch might just have to fill in a week in canberra instead :)
Hobbseeno!06:48
=== Hobbsee will give Kyral your address down there.
ajmitchhe wouldn't visit06:48
Hobbseehe was talking about wanting to come to AU before - didnt you see it?06:49
ajmitchI saw06:49
Hobbseejust to come and annoy you :P06:49
ajmitchbut you don't know where I'll be06:49
ajmitchjust what city06:49
Hobbseecanberra's not that big.06:49
ajmitchI'm sure it'd be easy enough to spot an american tourist like Kyral :)06:49
Hobbseehehe06:50
crimsunyou underestimate ajmitch's hiding-fu06:50
Hobbseecrimsun: you underestimate how small canberra is06:50
=== ajmitch has friends & relatives all round australia..
Hobbseewell, it's big enough, but there's not much there.06:50
ajmitchI'm sure if I stayed longer in canberra I'd just end up babysitting my niece06:51
Hobbseetrue06:51
Hobbseeand then you might be tempted to take her home with you06:51
ajmitchnah06:51
Hobbseeno?  okay then :P06:52
ajmitchI'll let my sister have her when she's unhappy :)06:52
Hobbseehehe!  yes, that sounds highly sensible.06:52
=== ajmitch needs to head out & get a bus ticket
ajmitchback later06:54
Hobbseeajmitch: enjoy06:54
=== The curses nick completion turning everything red!
Theargh!06:58
ajmitchcrazy..07:13
Hobbseeajmitch:  :D07:14
=== Hobbsee had fun doing that.
ajmitchI'm glad not all australians are like that07:15
Hobbseehehehe07:15
=== Hobbsee blames the chemistry
=== Hobbsee never has to do chem again! yay!
=== ajmitch blames the Hobbsee
crimsunaw, chem isn't too bad07:16
ajmitchdon't let laserjock hear you say that07:16
Hobbseethis lot is. ick.07:16
Hobbseebesides, he should be asleep anyway07:16
ajmitchhe should be waking up around now07:17
crimsunshouldn't he be waking...07:17
crimsunyeah07:17
Hobbseemaybe, depends how late those devs wake up :P07:17
crimsuncan't miss breakfast!07:17
ajmitch9AM start07:17
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Hobbseemmm...breakfast...07:18
ajmitchyou think they have a chance to be lazy this week?07:18
ajmitchyou have no idea how busy they're kept...07:18
Hobbseetrue07:18
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raphink-sleep:)07:44
ajmitchraphink-sleep doesn't look to be sleeping07:45
raphink-sleepnot anymore indeed :)07:45
raphink-sleepgoing to work in 45 minutes07:45
raphink-sleep)07:45
raphink-sleep:)07:45
ajmitchheh07:46
raphink-sleepwhere I'll be reading thrilling cfengine doc07:46
ajmitchooh07:46
ajmitch*exciting*07:46
raphink-sleep:)07:46
raphink-sleepyeah07:46
ajmitchgot plenty of caffeine?07:46
raphink-sleepI don't drink coffee07:46
raphink-sleepI drink tea instead07:46
raphink-sleepand I'm bringing my kubuntu cup there :)07:46
Hobbseeand then you'll fall asleep again, so the nick will be correct07:47
raphink-sleepwith a box of tea bags07:47
ajmitchhehe07:47
Hobbsee:)07:47
raphink-sleepHobbsee: no way I fall asleep in my office I believe07:47
raphink-sleepesp. with this colleague of mine that will be coming to ask questions about dapper again ;)07:47
Hobbseehehe07:47
raphink-sleepkeeps me awake :)07:47
raphink-sleepI should order new CDs07:48
raphink-sleepI only have the maximum I could have on shipit, i.e. 8 i386 and 2 amd6407:48
raphink-sleepso I'm gonna run out of them in a very short time07:48
=== ajmitch probably won't see any dapper cds until the edgy release
Hobbseeyeah, then why would you need dapper ones?   seems a bit strange07:49
ajmitchwith the stuff we're putting in edgy, who'll want to run that?07:49
raphink-sleephaha yes07:50
raphink-sleeppeople who don't measure how unstable it will be07:50
raphink-sleepwhich is most people07:50
raphink-sleepjust being excited by the fact that it's new and shiny07:50
Hobbseegood point07:51
raphink-sleepby that time we'll need a bot that will automaticallly answer any sentence of the kind "edgy crashed my system"07:51
raphink-sleepon IRC07:51
crimsunsee the number of people still complaining about udev not installing, for instance...07:52
raphink-sleepyes07:52
raphink-sleepwell people are responsible for their choices07:52
=== Hobbsee is holding off upgrading :(
raphink-sleepthey should just be told that edgy is not to be as stable as dapper07:53
ajmitchthey still won't listen07:54
raphink-sleepajmitch: I know, but at least they'll have been warned07:54
crimsunBen totally needs to "misplace" vmlinuz. Maybe that'll learn 'em.07:54
ajmitchheh07:54
raphink-sleephaha07:54
ajmitchyou could do a kernel upload as well, crimsun07:54
Hobbseehehe07:54
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ajmitchyo uknow you want to...07:54
crimsunajmitch: I kinda value my life atm...07:55
Hobbseeand then have elmo on your tail, yeah...fun07:55
ajmitchit can't make edgy that much more broken07:55
ajmitchmost of the world fails to build at the moment07:55
raphink-sleepyes07:55
raphink-sleepmostly because of intltool-debian07:55
raphink-sleepthat prevents debhelper from installing07:55
ajmitchwhich needs manual work by infinity07:56
raphink-sleepdoesn't help, for sure07:56
ajmitchsince it needs debhelper to build07:56
raphink-sleepwell it _could_ be worse07:56
raphink-sleepif it was debuild that was broken maybe07:56
ajmitchnah07:56
raphink-sleepor gcc07:57
ajmitchdebuild never gets used by the buildds07:57
ajmitchgcc breaking would be a little worse07:57
Hobbseeheh07:57
raphink-sleepbut indeed broken debhelper is not the best situation07:57
raphink-sleep;)07:57
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TheMusoHey MOTus.08:55
LaserJock_hi TheMuso08:55
Hobbseehey TheMuso and LaserJock08:55
LaserJock_TheMuso: I think I'm at the table to your right08:55
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TheMusoAh ok.09:01
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crimsunah, you lucky guys/gals you09:06
crimsunI'll be on planes most of this week :/09:06
Hobbseehi crimsun09:06
ajmitchpoor crimsun09:06
crimsunhi Hobbsee09:06
crimsun& ajmitch09:07
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LaserJock_hi crimsun, my mic works!!09:07
jsgotangcoits a bit hot here09:08
TheMusoIts nice in here however.09:08
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LaserJock_I thought it was a bit chilly at the moment09:08
=== ajmitch looks for the UDS schedule
LaserJock_we are currently doing a 1 min. presentation of *each* spec09:10
crimsunLaserJock_: excellent!09:10
LaserJock_https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs starting from the top09:10
ajmitchLaserJock_: yes, I can hear about 1 second or so at times09:10
ajmitchthat's nice, but it doesn't say what the schedule is :)09:11
ajmitchnor do we get the audio :)09:11
LaserJock_we don't have a schedule09:11
LaserJock_I don't think09:11
LaserJock_it will be created in a bit via LP et al09:11
=== ajmitch thinks LaserJock_ has been doing phd stuff too long
ajmitchusing 'et al'09:12
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Hobbseehey Tonio_09:12
LaserJock_oh yeah09:12
ajmitch:)09:12
ajmitch'et al' only refers to people, afaik :)09:12
LaserJock_a priori, in silico ;-)09:13
Tonio_hey Hobbsee09:15
Tonio_hi all09:15
imbrandonhrm cant hear much on TS09:16
imbrandonheya Tonio_ Hobbsee09:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: most people arent talking :P09:16
imbrandonand ajmitch LaserJock09:16
HobbseeMithrandir's just got the volume thing activatd, instead of PTT09:16
imbrandonyea but it would be nice to hear whom ever is presenting09:17
ajmitchit would be09:17
MithrandirHobbsee: uh, no.  I've muted my mic now.09:17
ajmitchMithrandir: it's your one that lights up09:17
Hobbseewho's tfheen?09:17
Hobbseetha'ts you isnt it Mithrandir?09:17
imbrandonRiddell, can you get close to the presenters and "rebroadcast" hehe09:17
MithrandirHobbsee: it is, but I've blooded muted my mic so that's quite impressive.09:18
Hobbsee*now* it's muted09:18
Hobbseehehe09:18
ajmitchI'd blame vmware :)09:18
=== Hobbsee would just blame ajmitch
Mithrandirquite impressive.  It still picks up stuff when I've unplugged the mic.09:19
Hobbseewow!09:19
ajmitchyeah, laptops tend to do that09:19
Mithrandir(and no, my laptop doesn't have a built-in mic ttbomk)09:19
ajmitchmine does - just a little hole in the case09:19
Hobbseemy mic's not connected, although i could...09:19
Riddellimbrandon: they're all around the room09:21
imbrandonahh09:21
TheMusotis not quite practicle to mike up everyone.09:21
imbrandon;(09:21
=== Hobbsee would personally just mic the room, split it, stream one, and blast the other all over the room.
Hobbseethat'd be the *easiest* way to do such a thing - but woultn let others talk in, i guess09:23
TheMusohehe09:24
Hobbseedepends on how big the room is too...hmmm...09:25
LaserJock_hi imbrandon09:27
LaserJock_it's kinda spread out09:28
Hobbseeit'd depend on how good the condenser mic was then - and on where it was put09:29
Hobbseeand if some idiot went and knocked it, of course :P09:29
LaserJock_right now you would basically do as good reading the specs09:29
Mithrandirwe could just use a very directional mic09:29
imbrandon*tap*  *tap* *tap* ..... is this thing on ..... lol09:30
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Hobbseegah....i wish people wouldnt do that.09:30
Hobbseelol09:30
imbrandon;)09:30
imbrandonhrm guess i'm going back to my ipod hacking till something interesting starts hapening09:31
Hobbseeimbrandon: that's usually why you stick such mics on a roof/wall - so people *dont* do that.  :P09:31
imbrandonlol09:31
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ajmitchwhy bother?09:32
imbrandonyea the bounty for this is gonna be nice, should include video broadcasting too09:32
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ajmitchas long as the bandwidth isn't like UDU...09:33
jsgotangcoits pretty good actually09:33
Mithrandirwe have an 8Mbit ADSL, I think.  And hopefully, we'll get another one.09:34
ajmitchgreat09:35
Hobbseenice09:35
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LaserJock_raphink: you around?09:46
raphinkyep just came back09:46
LaserJock_from Paris?09:47
raphinkah no09:47
raphinkfrom Sophia09:47
LaserJock_k09:47
raphinkcouldn't make it09:48
raphinkso i'm at work09:48
raphinkbut I'll be there ;)09:48
raphinkI mean online09:48
LaserJock_sweet09:49
ajmitchmorning \sh_away :)09:49
LaserJock_raphink: I'm enjoying France so far :-)09:49
raphinkLaserJock: how is paris?09:50
LaserJock_raphink: the conf or the city?09:52
LaserJock_the conf is great09:52
raphinkthe city ;)09:52
LaserJock_but I haven't been to the city yet09:52
raphinkok09:52
LaserJock_16 euros, shesh09:52
jsgotangcoyes09:52
jsgotangco2 for a bottle of water09:52
LaserJock_yeah09:52
raphink16 ?09:52
raphinkfor what?09:52
jsgotangcono wonder the public fountains have long lines?09:52
LaserJock_raphink: to go to Paris09:53
jsgotangcoraphink: day long train ticket09:53
raphinkjsgotangco: you're not going to the right places ;)09:53
raphinkjsgotangco: ah right09:53
jsgotangcobrb09:53
raphinkyou might not need to get a day long ticket09:53
raphinkif it's only to go there and back09:53
raphinkyou can travel on foot inside paris09:53
LaserJock_yeah09:55
raphinkI wish I could be your guide there ;)09:56
raphinkalthough I don't complain being here either ;)09:56
LaserJockyeah09:56
LaserJockraphink: my only complaint is the hotel seems to be in the middle of nowhere09:57
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LaserJockraphink: so there are no shops09:57
raphinkwell... airport09:57
LaserJockclose09:57
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ajmitchsudden burst of sound..09:58
TheMusoLaserJock: Thats how I feel as well.10:00
TheMusoajmitch: Break atm.10:00
KillerKiwi2006any body what nick Alexander Schier goes as?10:01
crimsunTS is a lot like Token Ring. =)10:08
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ajmitchouch10:43
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pschulz01Does anyone have a good example of a multi-binary-package package that would begood to look at?10:53
pschulz01I'm looking through 'dhcp' but I was wondering if there was anything else?10:54
pschulz01I'm having trouble finding documentation on how multi packages hang together.10:55
kelmolike, one source package, many binary packages sort of thing?10:56
pschulz01kelmo: yes..10:56
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pschulz01eg. dhcp has 'dhcp-client' ,'dhcp' and 'dhcp-relay' but only one 'debian/rules' files.10:57
kelmoyes, that is true for just about every package10:57
kelmothe best way is to make good use of debhelper helper files, and have debian/rules simply call the debhelper script that you use10:58
pschulz01There are also dhcp.install and 'dhcp-client.install' files in 'debain' which contains a list of files...10:58
kelmoexactly10:58
kelmopackage.install package.dirs package.init etc etc10:58
ajmitchand debian/control lists the binary packages that get created10:59
kelmoyup10:59
siretarthi kelmo, hi ajmitch11:00
ajmitchhi siretart11:00
siretartajmitch: xine-devel answered that xine-lib and ffmpeg use internally some textrelocs11:00
kelmohi siretart11:00
siretartgentoo has some patches to remove them from xine-lib (provided by the pax guys), which he wants to test and include them for xine 1.1.311:01
siretartfor ffmpeg it's rather unclear11:01
kelmothat Diego from gentoo is always blogging about (and apperently hacking on) xine ;-)11:01
pschulz01So.. let me get this straight... the debian/rules file should get all the binaries/libraries etc to be built, and then dh_buildpackage will separate them all aut according to the <package-name>.install file?11:01
kelmopschulz01: well, package.install is just one helper, but yes, that is the basic idea11:02
pschulz01sorry.. that should be dh_builddeb11:02
pschulz01Is it the '*.install' files that determine what goes in each binary package? cause when building a single binary package I've never noticed or needed it.11:04
siretartwhich is cool that he is working on xine11:04
siretartpschulz01: have a look at dh_install(1)11:04
kelmoindeed11:04
kelmosiretart: in package related news, Jouni just applied some small/trivial patches from me to wpa_supplicant devel branch ;-)11:05
siretart\sh: new cmake entered unstable just today (currently in incoming)11:05
siretartkelmo: cool :)11:05
pschulz01siretart: dh_install is not what I'm after then..11:05
pschulz01How do you tell multi binary packages what goes into what?11:06
pschulz01(package)11:06
crimsunvia foo.install, which is related to dh_install(1)11:06
kelmoand foo.dirs, foo.docs, foo,examples . . . <foo.helper>11:07
ajmitchdh_install{dirs,docs,examples} respectively11:07
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siretartpschulz01: reread 2nd paragraph11:08
=== ajmitch wonders when the UDS people are coming back online :)
crimsunthey must be off doing something supersekrit11:09
ajmitchobviously11:10
ajmitchsabdfl is probably unveiling the master plan for world domination11:10
ajmitchor something like that11:10
crimsun8:30 AM meeting, have to sleep  *zonk*11:15
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ajmitchnight crimsun11:17
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AnAntare the edgy repos open yet ?11:31
AnAntit is called edgy , right ?11:31
LaserJockAnAnt: yes11:33
LaserJockand yes11:33
AnAntok, I am using dapper11:33
AnAntand yesterday I found 94 updates11:34
LaserJockfrom -security and -update11:34
AnAntgnome 2.14.2 & linux kernel 2.6.15-25.4311:35
AnAntactually I am not sure where they are from11:35
ajmitchyes11:35
ajmitch-security & -updates :)11:35
AnAntI enabled security,update & dapper-backports11:36
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AnAntic11:36
AnAntthe kernel didn't boot though11:36
AnAntgiving me some error11:36
AnAntabout /dev/{dunno what}/dunno what too11:36
ajmitch& you've filed a bug with those details?11:36
AnAntnope11:36
AnAntI want to retry first11:36
AnAntI just came to ask wether those were backports or not11:36
AnAntok, so, does the new kernel support MMCv4 cards ?11:37
ajmitchI doubt anything new was added in the update11:38
TheMusoAnybody here from the conference having trouble accessing their smtp servers/11:38
AnAntic11:38
jsgotangcowebmail rocks11:38
jsgotangcoheh11:38
TheMusoWebmail sucks.11:38
TheMuso:)11:38
jsgotangcoheh11:39
AnAntok, I uploaded some packages to the REVU, how do I know if they are going to enter Edgy or not ?11:39
AnAntajmitch: btw, how/where to file a bug?11:39
ajmitchlaunchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug11:40
AnAntk, thx11:40
LaserJockAnAnt: if they are approved by 2 MOTUs they can be uploaded to Universe11:40
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=== ajmitch is going to have to be very nocturnal to be near any of these bofs
azeemare they broadcast?12:01
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ajmitchteamspeak only12:01
azeemah12:01
ajmitch& gobby sessions12:02
ajmitchhowever I'm 10 hours ahead of paris time :)12:02
azeemyeah, you should be *on* Paris time!12:03
azeemwell, they probably have insane business hours during their conference, so being some hours off might be an advantage to some...12:04
azeemthough 10 hours seems excessive12:04
ajmitchbeing in NZ has its disadvantages12:04
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Toadstoolhi everybody12:12
lukkettoHi12:13
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ajmitchzul!12:25
tsengthere is only zul.12:25
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zulhey ajmitch12:25
zuland tseng12:26
zulthis voip thing is actually kind of cool12:26
ajmitchyeah12:26
ajmitchand gobby12:26
zuli could hear fabbione's voice for a minute..12:26
ajmitchheh12:26
ajmitchscared yet?12:26
zuloh i been scared before12:27
zulbrb12:27
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ajmitchwatching people type up a spec is interesting12:29
LaserJockajmitch: heh, it's kinda interesting on this end too12:31
tsengwoo!12:31
tsenglooks like debconf may be fixed12:31
ajmitchLaserJock: a bit more so, I'd say12:31
ajmitchgreat12:32
ajmitchthe buildds are thrashing around again?12:32
tsengdunno12:32
tsengjust peeked in my chroot12:32
ajmitchlooks like they're all idle12:32
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tsengcli-common built12:32
tseng0.4.212:32
ajmitchwelcome back, zul12:32
ajmitchhm, great12:33
tsenggood enough for me12:33
zulajmitch: thkx12:33
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ajmitchtseng: it built locally, not in edgy?12:33
tsengno?12:33
tsengyou know what12:33
tsengi did showsrc12:34
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cli-common/0.4.212:34
ajmitchah12:34
tsengdummy12:34
tseng<12:34
LaserJockajmitch: I need to listen to one BOF will talking in another ;-)12:34
tsengis there a url for all the fun?12:36
Lathiati just discovered a copy of the free software song in my music folder12:36
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ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate12:36
tsengthanks12:36
zulwhat time is it in paris btw?12:37
tsengabout 1pm12:37
siretart12:3712:37
ajmitch12:3712:37
ajmitchand http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/12:38
LaserJockyeah, I'm getting hungry12:39
tsengno-more-source-pacakges?12:39
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tsengoh12:39
tsengTopic: should we abandon source packages entirely in favour of working in bzr12:40
ajmitchtseng: everything-in-bzr12:40
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tsengincluding hct, i hope12:40
siretartbetter: create source packages by buildds12:40
ajmitchkeybuk considers hct to be deprecated12:40
tsengin favor of?12:40
ajmitchsiretart: sure, people will still want source packages done the traditional way12:41
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ajmitchbut we'd avoid uploading them12:41
tsengsiretart: dch; bzr ci -m "My Commit"; launchpad-magic-branch-action;12:41
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tsengmaybe just sftp to a magic place12:42
ajmitchsiretart: how many branches have you pushed now?12:42
ajmitchtseng: it's all tied to the personal package archive magic12:42
ajmitchwhere a branch is blessed as 'put this in the distro'12:42
siretartajmitch: you could import sourcepackages as 'foreign' vcs commit12:42
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siretartajmitch: dunno, I have some more in private use, and I wonder if I should leave them on tauware or push them to the supermirror12:43
Mithrandirajmitch: "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy"12:43
Mithrandirpossibly with a tag too.12:43
ajmitchI've had some here in private use for quite awhile12:43
ajmitchthat would be interesting12:43
siretartajmitch: currently, i have a shared repo on tauware.de, this saves bandwith when I push a new branch12:43
ajmitchsiretart: yes, something launchpad really lacks at the moment12:43
Mithrandiror sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/casper/1.6012:43
ajmitchit hurts when you've changed only a couple of files in a branch12:43
siretartwhich is a common use case12:44
siretartat least for me12:44
ajmitchyes12:44
Mithrandirajmitch: some of us have more bandwidth than others. :-P12:44
ajmitchI have a number of branches which were patches12:44
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ajmitchMithrandir: even so, bzr latency hurts :)12:44
Mithrandirbzr latency inside the DC is quite acceptable, IMO.12:44
Mithrandir;-)12:44
ajmitchit was pushing at about ~5K/sec12:44
ajmitch:P12:44
ajmitchMithrandir: how's the hotel for this one?12:48
Mithrandirajmitch: it's a hotel.  It has a swimming pool, I have a bed and they serve food.  There's a limit to how exciting hotels get after a while.12:49
Mithrandirit's decent enough, I'm just bored of hotels.12:49
ajmitch:)12:49
tsengWe have Personal Package Archives in the pipeline  those will allow people to have their own small apt-get/synaptic compatible archives served by, and built by, Launchpad.12:49
tsengthat is cool12:49
ajmitchyeah12:49
ajmitchit's been in planning for quite awhile12:49
siretartI hope the 'closing bugs via changelog' spec didn't get dropped of the pipeline12:50
tsengi hope you need to be in the keyring for that12:50
ajmitchno, I think they're truly personal archives12:50
ajmitchso people will upload to launchpad, not REVU12:50
tsenglower buildd priority, then12:50
ajmitchcertainly12:51
tsengsucks enough to be in the middle of a multi package juggling act fighting against the buildd12:51
ajmitchbut I don't think builds can be preempted12:51
ajmitchso if the queue is empty, and someone uploads a multi-hour build to their PPA, it'll block at the moment12:51
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tsengyes12:51
ajmitchjoy, private launchpad wiki, we won't see the spec later12:52
tsengyeah last time i complained about that the answer was "yeah we are going to open that no problem"12:52
tsengactually what happened was they horked the vhost so things went to the lp wiki12:53
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ajmitchkinnison was just apologising for it12:53
ajmitchmust be lunchtime there now12:59
Mithrandirluuuuuuuunch.01:03
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zulhey01:33
ajmitchhello01:34
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phanaticafternoon everyone01:40
ajmitchhi phanatic01:40
phanatichey ajmitch01:40
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ivoksuploads for ubuntu-security goes trough pitti, right?01:54
ajmitchyep01:55
ajmitchthere's a mailing list..01:55
ivoksi know :)01:55
ajmitchok :)01:55
ivokswe have mailing lists for everything :)01:55
ajmitchsecurity-revies@lists.u.c01:56
ivoksyup01:56
ajmitchalmost..01:57
ajmitchreview, not revies01:57
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ajmitchjsgotangco: good lunch?01:57
jsgotangcopretty good01:57
jsgotangcoyou're supposed to be sleeping right?01:58
ajmitchit's only midnight01:58
ajmitchI want to sit in on the next BOF about source packages01:58
jsgotangcoahh yes01:58
ivoks$SU -l postgres -c "$PGENGINE/initdb --pgdata=$PGDATA" >> $PGLOG 2>&1 < /dev/null01:58
ivoksoh, made by redhat :/01:58
ajmitchthere's also the easier-motuing BOF after that01:59
ajmitchbut I don't know if I can stay awake that long01:59
imbrandon_rec it ajmitch02:00
imbrandon_ts can rec02:00
ajmitchnah02:00
ajmitchit's something I'd want to discuss, not just record02:00
imbrandon_right02:00
siretartcan someone please save a recording of that bof anyway please?02:00
siretartI don't have ts here right now02:01
ajmitchsiretart: sure, someone will :)02:01
ajmitchI think the aim is to record them all02:01
whiprush_I tried to use teamspeak for about 30 seconds.02:03
whiprush_then right to the recycle bin.02:03
ajmitchheh02:03
ajmitchit's great software, isn't it?02:03
whiprush_easymotuing sounds fun02:04
ajmitch"how do we make the MOTU community suck less?"02:04
ajmitchsince we do suck at times at getting new people in02:04
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zulwe suck?02:06
ajmitchyes, we all suck02:06
imbrandon_hehe02:06
imbrandon_arg whats the ts ady again02:06
imbrandon_i just cleard the field02:06
ajmitchteamspeak.uds.canonical.com02:06
imbrandon_thx02:07
tsenghi jsgotangco02:07
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ajmitchthe headphones on this are painful02:07
jsgotangcobonjour!02:07
ajmitch'playing along from home' indeed... :)02:09
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imbrandon_ajmitch can you understand lifeless ?02:21
ajmitchno02:21
imbrandon_kk making sure it wasent just me02:21
ajmitchlifeless: you need to use push-to-speak on teamspeak02:21
lifelessajmitch: I know02:24
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imbrandon_yes msw02:26
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imbrandon_VERY MUCH02:35
imbrandon_ajmitch can you communicate that i feel that would be VERY helpfulle, i dont have a working mic02:35
imbrandon_atm02:35
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imbrandon_barely ;)02:36
ajmitchhm02:36
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Hobbseehey dholbach!02:38
ajmitchdholbach!!02:38
imbrandon_yea i mainly think its a case of people not knowing about bzr02:38
dholbachheya02:38
ajmitchand bzr lacking in some areas02:38
imbrandon_but once it past that it can be very helpfull02:38
ajmitchlike the submit-by-email feature being done as SoC project02:38
imbrandon_ajmitch true02:38
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ajmitchor having to push the *whole* branch to launchpad :)02:39
imbrandon_as long as the build system makes the old way transparent it could be pulled off02:40
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imbrandon_exactly transparency is they key02:42
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Hobbseeah, sounds much better on the headphones.02:44
ianmhi guys.  I'm interested in getting some projects into ubuntu.  specifically the Screen Ruler, Font Sampler, and Chess Clock (screenshots: http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/ )02:44
imbrandon_lifeless: can you use push to talk please02:48
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lifelessimbrandon_: I do03:00
imbrandon_hmm ok03:00
Hobbseelifeless: we're missing most of what you're saying...03:00
ajmitchlifeless: it's been unintelligible when you were speaking03:00
ajmitchcutting out most of the tie03:00
imbrandon_yea03:00
ajmitchs/tie/time/03:00
imbrandon_everyone else seems clear though03:00
imbrandon_or atleaste clear enough to understand03:00
lifelesswell, I'm using push to talk, and my mic gain is at max.03:01
lifelessturn your volume up :)03:01
ajmitchmy ears would bleed then - everyone else is loud :)03:02
Hobbseelifeless: and get blasted by everyone else :P03:02
lifelesseasier for them to turn gain down :)03:02
imbrandon_its not realy the loudness, its the cutting in and out03:02
imbrandon_we hear like every other word03:03
lifelessno idea whats causing that03:03
lifelessany suggestions rather than second guessing, would be appreciated03:03
imbrandon_right right, no idea atm, thought it was push to talk03:03
ajmitchalright, time for dholbach to shine..03:05
ajmitchheh03:06
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Hobbseehah03:06
ajmitchdholbach! don't leave us!03:06
Hobbseewb dholbach03:06
_ionlifeless: amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' unmute03:06
lifelessamixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boot (+20dB)',003:07
lifelessmuhha03:07
Hobbseealsamixer?03:07
lifelessmixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boost (+20dB)',003:07
_ionMic03:07
lifelessoh feh03:07
lifelesswe'll see if that helps - thanks03:08
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ajmitchdholbach: do we have a BOF?03:13
dholbacheasiuer-motuing03:13
dholbachport 900303:13
ajmitchyes, but are you on teamspeak?03:13
dholbachoh no, none of us is03:14
jsgotangcolol03:14
ajmitchoh well03:14
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jsgotangcoTS isn't becoming too popular even03:15
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ajmitchit's sort of the only way some of us can be involved03:15
ajmitchsince most people aren't inclined to discuss on irc as well03:15
jsgotangcothe Tab Consistency BOF is pretty active in TS03:16
ajmitchyeah I see that03:16
ajmitchdholbach: some summary of what's going on would be nice03:20
dbernar1hi. If I get this error, and want to change the source for the package so it does not perform that particular check, which file can I edit? The error is shown in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15295. In the changelog file of the source for the package, I can see when the maintainer created the check I want to remove.03:20
dholbachajmitch: we're writing the spec atm03:20
dholbachthe gobby session is open03:20
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dbernar1I think I found it in the packages file.03:22
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dbernar1I made the change. Just added some #s. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15984 is what it looks like now. How do I make a .deb out of it? Should I just read the new debian maintainer's guide?03:25
siretartis the gobby server supposed to work from the outside? I get only timeouts03:25
ajmitchyes, it does work03:26
ajmitchthough I don't see anything happening to the spec03:26
ajmitchsiretart: port 9003?03:26
siretartoh. interesting. I'll try03:26
dbernar1Can I package a .deb without a gpg key?03:27
zulwhats the addy for gobby again?03:27
dbernar1Just for myself.03:27
ajmitchdbernar1: yes03:27
Hobbseezul: it's in repos, it seems03:27
ajmitchzul: gobby.uds.ubuntu.com03:27
dbernar1OK. brb.03:27
hubso you guys are in Paris?03:28
ajmitchnope03:28
jsgotangcoyeah03:28
Hobbseenope03:28
sorenhyeah03:28
zulnope..03:28
jsgotangcolol03:28
imbrandonnope03:28
siretartajmitch: thanks. this was it.03:28
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ajmitchpreferable is the right spelling :P03:29
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Hobbseeoh i dont know03:31
Hobbseewho mentioned preferable though?03:31
ajmitchHobbsee: in gobby03:32
Hobbseeoh03:32
imbrandonhrm gobby isnt connecting03:32
ajmitchimbrandon: port 900303:32
imbrandonahh03:32
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dbernar1OK, that worked, thanks.03:45
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ajmitchwell, that was an abrupt ending03:57
imbrandonheh03:57
imbrandontab consist over ?03:58
Hobbseeoh, ajmitch:  i thougth about it, and decided it wasnt a good idea.03:58
ajmitchalmost03:58
Hobbsee:P03:58
ajmitchsiretart: we'll need to save the document after this :)03:59
imbrandonajmitch is motueasy next ?03:59
siretartajmitch: you should save it regularily, because gobby used to crash a lot04:00
siretartI wonder why it didn't crash yet..04:00
ajmitchimbrandon: it's just finished04:00
imbrandonumm i mean in paris04:00
ajmitchthe next scheduled session for it is drafting04:01
imbrandonk04:01
ajmitchhowever the spec session was mostly drafting04:01
ajmitchsiretart: this is a newer version :)04:01
ajmitchone that doesn't kill the document for everyone when someone's gobby crashes04:01
siretartajmitch: still without undo04:02
ajmitchof course04:02
ajmitchthat's why you save your doc into a bzr branch :)04:02
siretartand have a cronjob autocomitting it every 2 minutes?04:03
siretart:P04:03
=== ajmitch has done that before..
ajmitchbzr is cheap, far less setup than cvs or svn04:03
whiprush_I keep all my work documents in bzr.04:03
whiprush_it's sweet.04:03
siretartbzr autocommit --interval=2min ~/documents04:06
siretartbzr autocommit --stop ~/documents04:06
siretart;)04:06
ajmitchhehe04:07
ajmitchthat'd be an easy plugin to write..04:08
siretartajmitch: gogogo! :)04:08
ajmitch:)04:08
ajmitchdon't tempt me04:08
ajmitchI've got enough to procrastinate with04:08
Hobbseego on ajmitch :P04:08
imbrandonhehe04:08
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ajmitchsiretart: set it running in your session when you login? :)04:09
imbrandonwould be nice04:10
imbrandonheh04:10
siretartI'd rather like to have it started manually, and stop automatically as soon as I close the shell04:10
tsengis slomo in paris?04:10
ajmitchyes04:10
ajmitchhe is04:10
tsengcool04:10
siretartthe use case: I setup an 'autocommit' branch, and after I finish my work, I merge that in some other branch04:10
ajmitchsiretart: should be possible, I think04:11
ajmitchI wonder if the release schedule BOF is going on now04:11
siretartI wonder what the result of the nomoresourcepackages spec was04:11
ajmitchresult?04:11
siretarts/spec/bof session/04:11
siretartwell, they did discuss it, no?04:11
ajmitchthere was no result, just some blue-sky discussion04:11
ajmitchkeybuk came up with a grand plan to use bzr like quilt04:12
ajmitchobsoleting the method on the wiki04:12
ajmitchmanaging patches with ease04:12
siretarthm04:12
tsengusing bzr like quilt w/o hct sounds like a pita to me04:12
siretartit is marked 'essential'04:12
siretartis this really targeted for edgy?04:12
tsenghave you seen how manoj does it04:12
ajmitchhe says it'd only take an hour or two to code up04:12
ajmitchtseng: somewhat04:12
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tsengpain04:13
tsengdholbach: !!!04:13
ajmitchsiretart: not really, sabdfl wanted it talked about though04:13
ajmitchwelcome back, dholbach04:13
siretarti see04:13
dholbachre04:13
ajmitchit's quite possible to do for edgy though04:13
dholbach:)04:13
ajmitchat least some parts of it04:13
ajmitchwe wrote up more of the MOTU doc..04:13
ajmitch(a few extra lines is all)04:14
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tsengMez: a question04:14
ajmitchsiretart: I've got most of it recorded04:14
tsengMez: when you uploaded a broken ifolder did you mean for it to go to revu or dapper?04:15
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siretartajmitch: cool. is it accessible somewhere?04:17
ajmitchsiretart: not yet, it's a large .wav file04:17
siretartah, i see04:18
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ajmitchI can just make out kamion's accent04:19
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Meztseng: I really cant remember - I uploaded it in like - february04:21
tsengMez: yes but it was clearly broken and wouldnt build in pbuilder even04:23
tsengI am hoping you meant to upload it to revu04:23
ajmitchthat's a nice late tentative feature freeze04:23
ajmitch(mid-sept)04:23
ajmitchbeta 2 weeks later04:23
whiprush_bah, teamspeak sucks for me.04:23
ajmitchyep04:23
tsengMez: just please be more careful in the future, the package was broken (and never reviewed by motus)04:23
ajmitchsucks for us all04:24
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Hobbseewell, it is supposed to be edgy - makes no sense to have half the dev cycle swallowed in feature freeze...04:24
ajmitchwhiprush_: gobby!04:24
ajmitchwhiprush_: I'm not in paris either04:24
ajmitchHobbsee: we still need to be able to release something usable04:24
whiprush_is gobby working?04:24
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ajmitchyes04:24
Hobbseei'm aware of that...04:24
ajmitchjust because it's edgy doesn't mean we throw all quality out the door04:25
tsengajmitch: Hobbsee is new at this :)04:25
ajmitchbah, she'll learn04:25
tsengshould have been here for breezy04:25
Lathiatwhy is it everytime yoru in a rush to reboot, it was 30 days since you last fsckd04:25
tsengbring the pain04:25
whiprush_yeah, people seem to think that edgy is going to be like sid or something04:25
tsenghaha sid04:25
Kamping_Kaiser30 days?04:26
whiprush_you should see the forums, they think FF2.0 and gaim2.0 are shipping04:26
tseng"gnome is broken 8 months of the year"04:26
ajmitchwhiprush_: dude, sid is incredibly stable compared to what we go through04:27
whiprush_heh04:27
Kamping_Kaiser<g>04:27
Hobbseetseng: bah, i did some of the cd testing for that - not proper dev stuff.04:27
tsengbreezy was our rockiest dev cycle so far04:28
tsengthe first release of warty that i got was more stable04:28
whiprush_ajmitch: are you just joining every gobby session or .... ?04:28
ajmitchwhiprush_: no, just the ones I'm following04:28
tsengsounder 7 or some junk04:28
Hobbseeheh, i remember kde being a bit nuts then too04:28
tsengkde wasnt exactly supported in warty04:29
whiprush_ajmitch: how can you tell which port corresponds to which talk? I don't see it on the schedule04:29
ajmitchwhiprush_: you get told :)04:29
ajmitchit's the only way04:29
whiprush_ajmitch: which one are you in? :)04:29
ajmitch900104:29
ajmitchedgy-release-schedule04:29
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tsengi cant use those ports out the firewall04:29
tsengw/o a bunch of clever ssh hackery04:30
tsengI won't be joining you04:30
ajmitchok04:30
Meztseng:np - will do :D04:30
tsengMez: thanks04:30
whiprush_ajmitch: cool, I'll just follow you around then.04:30
ajmitchhaha04:31
ajmitchit's 2:30AM here04:31
Hobbseetseng: i meant for breezy04:31
ajmitchI'm not staying up much longer04:31
tsengoh04:31
Hobbseecrazy ajmitch staying up all night :P04:31
ajmitchdepends if I'm able to hear anything in the gcc-ssp bof04:31
tsengoh04:32
ajmitchHobbsee: as if you can talk04:32
tsengthats today?04:32
Hobbseeajmitch: it's not even 1 yet :P04:32
tsengsuck04:32
ajmitchkamion is the only one I can really hear04:32
ajmitchfunny04:33
ajmitchthinking that merges will be complete in a week or two04:33
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ajmitchuniverse merges will take a lot longer04:34
ajmitchbut that doesn't matter04:35
Hobbseeoh ok, so they're only talking about main...04:35
ajmitchthey usually do04:35
ajmitchuniverse can follow its own schedule for that04:35
ajmitchthough we do tend to follow UVF & FF04:35
Hobbseetrue04:36
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siretartmerging universe will be hell this time..04:39
ajmitchyes04:39
ajmitchI think we have > 1000 to merge or check for syncs04:39
azeemhow many active mergers are there approximately?04:40
ajmitchmaybe 10 or so for universe04:40
siretartthis is hard to guess04:40
ajmitchdepends on how many random helpers we get04:40
siretart10, maybe less maybe a bit more04:40
phanaticajmitch: consider that as a motu school session :)04:42
ajmitchit probably would be04:42
ajmitchHobbsee can teach it04:42
Hobbseewhat???04:42
ajmitchthanks04:42
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Hobbseewhatever it is.04:42
phanaticgreat :)04:42
ajmitchyes you will04:42
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siretartI'm volunteering for a motu school session 'effective merging debian changes using bzr'04:43
ajmitchsiretart: bah, you beat me to it ;)04:43
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siretartajmitch: perhaps we can prepare it together?04:44
ajmitchsiretart: might be a good idea - bzr is good for collaborative work :)04:44
phanatici'm really looking forward to that session, guys...04:44
ajmitchHobbsee: you'll learn quickly enough04:44
ajmitchsiretart: got some ideas to write up about it?04:46
siretartajmitch: I've done some merges with bzr, and found it very handy04:47
siretartajmitch: I'd like to craft some scripts, because some tasks are quite common04:47
siretartI need to write my ideas down04:47
siretartdid get to it, I'm currenty at work ;)04:47
ajmitchdoing a full import of the base debian package, the newer one, and the ubuntu package?04:47
ajmitchheh04:47
siretartfull import of the base package04:47
siretartthen creating 2 branches: debian and ubuntu branch04:48
siretartupdate the ubuntu branch with the ubuntu package04:48
siretartthen update the debian branch with the new debian package04:48
siretartthen merge the ubuntu branch to the debian branch04:48
siretartthen resolve, and be happy04:48
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ajmitchnice :)04:48
siretartsome bzr plugin to import/update a branch with a new package would be great04:49
ajmitchwe need to spec this! :)04:49
Hobbseeajmitch: get writing :P04:49
ajmitchthough some of that will be covered by what keybuk was suggesting in NoMoreSourcePackages04:49
ajmitchHobbsee: enough with your smart comments :P04:50
siretarts/with a new/from a given/04:50
Hobbseeokay04:50
ajmitchnext you'll be suggesting I actually do work04:50
siretartin principle this is what will be done with NoMoreSourcePackages04:50
Hobbseehehe04:51
ajmitchin practice, keybuk was going to try & write up a plugin in a spare session in paris04:51
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ajmitchsiretart: what other things could we do for motu school sessions?04:58
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Hobbseeajmitch: anything to do with bzr - as most people havent used it05:00
ajmitchthat will take a little bit of time for common practices to emerge05:01
siretartajmitch: 'how to triage bugs in malone' 'effective forwarding of bugs in malone to debbugs'05:01
phanaticHobbsee: there are some decent howtos on the bzr homepage05:01
ajmitchcurrently we're experimenting with how to maintain packages & the like with bzr05:01
Hobbseetrue05:02
siretartperhaps we should start with 'common tasks when maintaining packages with bzr'05:02
ajmitchok05:02
siretartand make that mandatory for the 'merging session'05:02
ajmitchmost people aren't going to be maintaining their own packages with several patches against upstream05:03
ajmitchlewing said he had 23 patches for me to apply to f-spot, at last count..05:03
ajmitchso I'm interested in what keybuk can do05:03
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Hobbseenight all05:29
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ajmitchnight all06:02
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TheMusoc06:14
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crimsunMez: ping, do you mind making one of siretart, slomo, or myself an LP ubuntu-backports admin, please?07:20
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Yagisannight all07:42
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gilligan_evening07:52
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torthowho is deciding wich packages goes into ubuntu-desktop?08:59
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uniqtortho: Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com>09:17
uniqthat's my guess.09:17
torthouniq: Thanks09:18
uniqyou're welcome :)09:19
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Sp4rKyhi MOTUs09:30
Sp4rKyi've a little answer about at-poke , which is in UniverseCandidates09:30
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Sp4rKyi'm trying to package it but  needs cspi1-0 , but i don't find any cspi version in apt09:31
Sp4rKyso do i blind or it is really not in repositories ?09:32
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chantrahi there09:32
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uniqsp4rky: you can check with packages.ubuntu.com09:34
Sp4rKyuniq, ;( really doesn't exist in repositories, so i must create it before :/09:35
uniqsp4rky: check packages.debian.org, it's very quick to move a package from debian to ubuntu.09:36
Sp4rKyuniq, another good idea :)09:37
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Sp4rKyuniq, no more in debian :/09:39
uniqthen you might have to make it yourself :)09:41
Sp4rKyyoupiii :/09:43
chantraraphink: are you here?09:44
raphinkyeah but a bit busy ;)09:44
chantra:)09:44
raphinkwill you be online later?09:44
chantraokie, I uploaded a sync/merged version of fuse09:44
chantraraphink: don't really know09:44
chantrajust to let you know that yo can check it out on revu09:45
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=== Hawkwind Lights the fuse....oh wait, wrong kind of fuse :P
chantraHawkwind: :D09:45
Yagisandidn't fuse go into the kernel ?09:45
chantraYagisan: still require some utils and -dev packages09:46
Yagisanchantra: ok. nevermind me then. I haven't touched it since a failed attempt at gmailfs09:47
chantraraphink: basically, I removed debconf, too many bigs due to that, actual debian package depends on makedev_2.3.1-81 so I had to change few line09:47
chantramerged udev rule + other merges09:48
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Sp4rKydoes anyone have a package which generate many deb for an examples ?10:35
chantraSp4rKy: yep10:35
chantrathere is gaim , fuse10:36
Sp4rKychantra, apt-get source gaim to see it ?10:36
chantraindeed10:36
chantrait is base on different package-bit1.install|postinst package-bit2.install|postinst....10:37
Sp4rKyk thx10:37
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reclusivemonkeyhello all11:10
crimsunhi11:12
reclusivemonkeyI've been informed this is a place you can request for apps to be included in Ubuntu repositories. I have been trying to compile OGMRip all night, and failed miserably, so though I have nothing to lose by asking in here!11:12
crimsunthat's really a #ubuntu question, but I'll look in a sec.11:12
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: tried in there, its too busy. I am used to a.o.l.s!11:13
crimsun(it would be helpful to me if you gave me a url to download the ogmrip source)11:13
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: one tick, you'll have it...11:13
reclusivemonkeyhttp://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz?download11:14
crimsunthat's probably an html page11:14
crimsunsorry, I'm very busy atm11:14
reclusivemonkeywell I don't assume where you are. which location do you want or doesn't it matter?11:15
crimsundoesn't matter11:15
crimsunwgettable is preferable11:15
reclusivemonkeyhttp://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz11:15
crimsun``sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer'' should fix that11:17
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: TY dude, will try that11:18
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: nope, I did that, then ldconfig, then make clean, ./configure, make. same result11:22
crimsunreclusivemonkey: what does configure barf on?11:22
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: ./configure doesn't barf, make does11:23
reclusivemonkey./configure is happy as larry...11:23
crimsunok, shooting in the dark doesn't help. Pastebin the output.11:23
reclusivemonkeyok i will have to go learn what pastebin is. brb11:24
crimsunhttp://pastebin.ca for instance11:24
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tiagoboldtjust put your output there reclusivemonkey11:24
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reclusivemonkeytiagoboldt: the whole make output, or just where it starts to barf?11:25
tiagoboldtthat you must ask crimsun:)11:25
crimsunthe entire thing.11:26
crimsuncontext is quite important11:26
reclusivemonkeynp11:26
reclusivemonkeyhttp://pastebin.ca/6738211:27
crimsunline 276.11:28
crimsunthat's a source error; fix the source.11:28
reclusivemonkeyogmrip-backend.c:353:5: error: missing binary operator before token "2"11:29
reclusivemonkeythats line 276. which particular source is this referring to?11:30
crimsuncrimsun@garnish:/tmp/ogmrip-0.9.0$ find . -name ogmrip-backend.c11:30
crimsun./libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c11:30
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reclusivemonkeyso back to slack then where it compiles without problem?11:31
crimsunhmm?11:32
crimsunif you want to use Slackware, go ahead, nothing's stopping you. I'm simply pointing out that the required token is missing.11:32
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: I appreciate your help but you're not telling me anything I can use. I was looking to Ubuntu because it was supposedly more user friendly. I have no problems with Slackware but with a baby on the way I was thinking I may need to switch. I am now thinking that was a big mistake11:34
crimsunreclusivemonkey: what's the output from: mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'`  ?11:35
crimsunsorry, omit the trailing `11:35
crimsunmplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'  ?11:35
reclusivemonkeyMPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team11:35
crimsunok, so you need to export MPLAYER_MAJOR=111:36
crimsunthe fault lies with ogmrip's configure script.11:36
reclusivemonkeycrimsun: ok, I just tried that. Same result11:37
crimsunyou're using -DMPLAYER_MAJOR=1 ?11:38
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reclusivemonkeyi did export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1. should it be something else?11:39
Mithrandirit should be 011:39
Mithrandirit looks like11:39
Mithrandirreclusivemonkey: just try changing the MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\11:39
Mithrandir1%'`11:39
Mithrandirline in configure to read:11:39
MithrandirMPLAYER_MAJOR=011:39
crimsunMithrandir: I'm pretty sure it's checking to see if 1.0pre is used, no?11:39
Mithrandircrimsun: hmm11:40
crimsunthe configure script isn't able to account for Ubuntu's versioning scheme11:40
Mithrandirit gets confused by the epoch, true11:40
reclusivemonkeyMithrandir: a line number would save me some squinting ;-)11:41
Mithrandirreclusivemonkey: 2129911:41
Mithrandirreclusivemonkey: you might want to add MPLAYER_PRE=7 too.11:41
Mithrandir(just add it at the next line)11:41
reclusivemonkeyOK, OGMRip compile, Scene 1, take 47 ;-)11:43
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reclusivemonkeysame result Mithrandir; it barfs. I think I corrected configure as you instructed. Will pastebin.11:48
reclusivemonkeywhoops, can't pastebin, too big. Will stick it on my webbie.11:48
reclusivemonkeyhttp://www.reclusivemonkey.com/configure.txt11:48
Mithrandirreclusivemonkey: can you put your config.log somewherE?11:50
reclusivemonkeyLOL if you can tell me where i'd find it Mithrandir11:51
reclusivemonkeyoh, from ./? gotcha. will do11:51
crimsunreclusivemonkey: the problem is that ogmrip's configure script expects to see 1.0pre[..]  precisely and not what Ubuntu uses (2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8, where both the epoch of 2 and the fact that 0.99+ is tacked on before the 1.0pre)11:51
crimsunthe conditionals in libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c both want to know if you're using 0.X or 1.0preX11:52
reclusivemonkeyagain crimsun, no offence, I am used to ./configure, make and make install "just working". I don't need to worry about any of this in Slack. I'm not a programmer, its all double dutch to me11:53
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Mithrandirif so, change the hardcoded MPLAYER_MAJOR to 1 and it might work.11:53
crimsunas a hack, just put "#define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1" at the top of libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c11:54
crimsun(without the quotes)11:54
reclusivemonkeyhttp://www.reclusivemonkey.com/config.log11:54
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reclusivemonkeyMithrandir: tried MPLAYER_MAJOR=1, no luck again11:56
crimsunyou could just change the check to be sed -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'11:57
Mithrandirreclusivemonkey: if you look at config.h, I believe it claims that MPLAYER_PRE is 0?11:57
reclusivemonkeyMithrandir: thats right11:58
crimsunreclusivemonkey: just add "2:0.99+" to the sed expression12:00
Mithrandirtry just munging MPLAYER_PRE  to 7 and _MAJOR to 1 there.  Or do as crimsun suggests.12:00
MithrandirI need to catch some sleep now12:00
crimsun'night Mithrandir12:00
reclusivemonkeyMithrandir: thanks for all your help I will try that12:00
crimsunreclusivemonkey: make line 21299 read: MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'`12:01
crimsunreclusivemonkey: then make line 21307 read:   MPLAYER_PRE=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+[0-1] \.[0-9] \+pre\([0-9] \+\).*%\1%'`12:01

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