raphink | malone 1 | 12:27 |
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Ubugtu | Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 12:27 |
raphink | debian 326833 | 12:27 |
Ubugtu | Debian bug 326833 in kdelibs "Subject: kdelibs: KDE pseudoprinters do not work" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/326833 | 12:27 |
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zul | wheee.. | 02:44 |
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Hobbsee | greetings all | 04:38 |
Hawkwind | Hey there Hobbsee | 04:38 |
Hobbsee | hey Hawkwind :) | 04:38 |
Kyral | Ah Hobbsee | 04:39 |
Hawkwind | Hobbsee: xchat-2.6.4 uploaded to REVU today :) | 04:39 |
Kyral | I have been wanting to talk with you | 04:39 |
Hobbsee | hey Kyral | 04:42 |
Hobbsee | Hawkwind: yay! | 04:42 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: what did you want to talk with me about? | 04:42 |
Hawkwind | Hobbsee: It's my first package ever, so if you review it, take it easy on me :) | 04:43 |
=== Hobbsee cant review :P | ||
=== Hobbsee is not a MOTU | ||
Hobbsee | well, i can, but i probably wouldnt find much | 04:44 |
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Hawkwind | Ahhh. For some reason I thought ya were | 04:44 |
Hawkwind | Again, it's my newness to the Ubuntu world :P | 04:44 |
Kyral | Frickin heck | 04:44 |
Hobbsee | well... | 04:45 |
Kyral | Damn this hot weather | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | Hawkwind: i'm not, but i started doing packaging in late dapper - only just before that froze, so i havent had that much experience | 04:45 |
Kyral | my machine can't stand it | 04:45 |
=== Hobbsee sends Kyral down here for a while. | ||
Kyral | I wish | 04:45 |
Kyral | I'm about to go Liquid cooling | 04:46 |
Hawkwind | Kyral: Where you at in the world ? | 04:46 |
Hawkwind | Hobbsee: And where is 'down here' ? | 04:46 |
Hobbsee | Hawkwind: australia | 04:46 |
Kyral | Potsdam NY | 04:46 |
Kyral | Hobbsee: you use Konversation right? | 04:47 |
Hawkwind | Kyral: Hah! It's much hotter here in Houston, Texas I guarantee ya | 04:47 |
Hawkwind | Hobbsee: Ohhh, nice | 04:47 |
Kyral | Hobbsee: is that an offer to come visit? | 04:47 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: hah. and yes, i do | 04:47 |
Kyral | Well, I am looking for something to do in the 2 weeks between my job ending and school starting | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | ah, i see | 04:48 |
Kyral | anywya wanna try some scripts I worked up for Konversation? | 04:48 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: sure, what are they? | 04:49 |
Hobbsee | please tell me they ban by IP | 04:49 |
Kyral | Just some simple things that I was using to play with DCOP | 04:49 |
=== Hobbsee really really wants that feature to be executed by keyboard, not just by mouse. | ||
Kyral | one pastes the URL of whatever is currently being viewed in Konqeror into the channel | 04:50 |
Kyral | like this | 04:50 |
Kyral | Currently viewing in Konqueror: FSF - The Free Software Foundation, URL: https://www.fsf.org/ | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | nice | 04:51 |
Kyral | other just spits out the localtime | 04:51 |
Kyral | Local Time is now: Sun Jun 18 22:53:00 EDT 2006 | 04:51 |
Hobbsee | ah yes, like @time sydney | 04:51 |
Hobbsee | cool :) | 04:51 |
Kyral | want them? | 04:52 |
=== Hobbsee still wants a ban by domain shortcut. | ||
Kyral | lol | 04:52 |
Kyral | I'll work on it | 04:52 |
Hobbsee | good | 04:52 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: you know what i'm meaning? | 04:52 |
Kyral | yah ban an IP instead of a host | 04:52 |
Hobbsee | also a kickban by domain shortcut, seeing as they should be fairly similar | 04:52 |
Kyral | I'll have to look at what DCOP functions do that | 04:52 |
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Kyral | So can I come visit you in Aussieland? :P | 04:52 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: right click on username, kick/ban, [ban/kickban] *!*@domain | 04:53 |
Hobbsee | is the one i want | 04:53 |
Hobbsee | heh, you can if you really want. no guarentee that i'll be there though | 04:53 |
Kyral | lol | 04:53 |
Kyral | Maybe I can bug ajmitch :P | 04:53 |
Kyral | He'd _LOVE_ that :P | 04:53 |
Hobbsee | heh | 04:55 |
Hobbsee | i'm sure he would :P | 04:56 |
Hobbsee | he'd hide from you | 04:56 |
Kyral | haah | 04:56 |
Kyral | Ah well I wanna do something fun in the 2 weeks | 04:57 |
Kyral | maybe I'll take a trip down to NYC | 04:57 |
Hobbsee | besides, you'd get eaten by snakes and crocodiles in australia | 04:58 |
Hobbsee | not really sure why you'd want to come | 04:58 |
Kyral | Easy | 04:59 |
Kyral | I have never been there before :D | 04:59 |
Hobbsee | yes, but you would get eaten | 04:59 |
Hobbsee | and dont forget the viscious koalas. | 04:59 |
Kyral | Moh....you must think me un agile | 04:59 |
Hobbsee | Kyral: why arent you in paris? | 05:00 |
Kyral | Work | 05:00 |
Kyral | and not enough cash :P | 05:00 |
Kyral | I may go to OLS near the end of Joly | 05:00 |
Kyral | July even | 05:00 |
Hobbsee | nice | 05:00 |
Hobbsee | heh. cash is always a problem | 05:00 |
Kyral | Ottawa is a LOT closer than Paris :P | 05:00 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | well yeah, but both are still stacks closer than here | 05:01 |
Kyral | But take pictures okay? | 05:02 |
Hobbsee | of what? of aus? | 05:03 |
Kyral | Hmm, maybe I should ask Russ Neslon if he wants to go to OLS... | 05:03 |
Kyral | Nelson even | 05:03 |
Kyral | no of Paris | 05:03 |
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Kyral | Gah! | 05:17 |
Hobbsee | hah | 05:18 |
=== Hobbsee staples Kyral to IRC | ||
Hobbsee | right. stay! | 05:18 |
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Hobbsee | i thought i told you to stay! | 05:52 |
Kyral | yesh? | 05:52 |
Hobbsee | silly people, entering and leaving the chat all the time... | 05:53 |
Kyral | Its the heat | 05:55 |
Kyral | its not liking my machine | 05:55 |
crimsun | box it [the heat] up and ship it to Hobbsee. | 05:56 |
Hobbsee | hehe thankyou :) | 05:56 |
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Hobbsee | nice :) | 06:03 |
imbrandon | it was my "fathers day" gift from my 2 year old son ;) | 06:03 |
imbrandon | heheh | 06:03 |
Hobbsee | :P | 06:04 |
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ajmitch | afternoon | 06:37 |
Hobbsee | hi ajmitch! | 06:37 |
Hawkwind | Hey there ajmitch | 06:37 |
imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 06:37 |
ajmitch | excellent, got hold of the person in melbourne... | 06:46 |
Hawkwind | imbrandon: Congrats on the ipod, and happy fathers day as well :) | 06:46 |
imbrandon | thanks Hawkwind | 06:47 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: they're telling you not to come? :P | 06:47 |
ajmitch | hehe no | 06:47 |
Hobbsee | oh. pity :P | 06:47 |
imbrandon | lol | 06:47 |
ajmitch | you don't want me to come to .au? | 06:47 |
=== Hobbsee raises an eyebrow. just think on that for a second. | ||
=== ajmitch might just have to fill in a week in canberra instead :) | ||
Hobbsee | no! | 06:48 |
=== Hobbsee will give Kyral your address down there. | ||
ajmitch | he wouldn't visit | 06:48 |
Hobbsee | he was talking about wanting to come to AU before - didnt you see it? | 06:49 |
ajmitch | I saw | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | just to come and annoy you :P | 06:49 |
ajmitch | but you don't know where I'll be | 06:49 |
ajmitch | just what city | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | canberra's not that big. | 06:49 |
ajmitch | I'm sure it'd be easy enough to spot an american tourist like Kyral :) | 06:49 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 06:50 |
crimsun | you underestimate ajmitch's hiding-fu | 06:50 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: you underestimate how small canberra is | 06:50 |
=== ajmitch has friends & relatives all round australia.. | ||
Hobbsee | well, it's big enough, but there's not much there. | 06:50 |
ajmitch | I'm sure if I stayed longer in canberra I'd just end up babysitting my niece | 06:51 |
Hobbsee | true | 06:51 |
Hobbsee | and then you might be tempted to take her home with you | 06:51 |
ajmitch | nah | 06:51 |
Hobbsee | no? okay then :P | 06:52 |
ajmitch | I'll let my sister have her when she's unhappy :) | 06:52 |
Hobbsee | hehe! yes, that sounds highly sensible. | 06:52 |
=== ajmitch needs to head out & get a bus ticket | ||
ajmitch | back later | 06:54 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: enjoy | 06:54 |
=== The curses nick completion turning everything red! | ||
The | argh! | 06:58 |
ajmitch | crazy.. | 07:13 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: :D | 07:14 |
=== Hobbsee had fun doing that. | ||
ajmitch | I'm glad not all australians are like that | 07:15 |
Hobbsee | hehehe | 07:15 |
=== Hobbsee blames the chemistry | ||
=== Hobbsee never has to do chem again! yay! | ||
=== ajmitch blames the Hobbsee | ||
crimsun | aw, chem isn't too bad | 07:16 |
ajmitch | don't let laserjock hear you say that | 07:16 |
Hobbsee | this lot is. ick. | 07:16 |
Hobbsee | besides, he should be asleep anyway | 07:16 |
ajmitch | he should be waking up around now | 07:17 |
crimsun | shouldn't he be waking... | 07:17 |
crimsun | yeah | 07:17 |
Hobbsee | maybe, depends how late those devs wake up :P | 07:17 |
crimsun | can't miss breakfast! | 07:17 |
ajmitch | 9AM start | 07:17 |
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Hobbsee | mmm...breakfast... | 07:18 |
ajmitch | you think they have a chance to be lazy this week? | 07:18 |
ajmitch | you have no idea how busy they're kept... | 07:18 |
Hobbsee | true | 07:18 |
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raphink-sleep | :) | 07:44 |
ajmitch | raphink-sleep doesn't look to be sleeping | 07:45 |
raphink-sleep | not anymore indeed :) | 07:45 |
raphink-sleep | going to work in 45 minutes | 07:45 |
raphink-sleep | ) | 07:45 |
raphink-sleep | :) | 07:45 |
ajmitch | heh | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | where I'll be reading thrilling cfengine doc | 07:46 |
ajmitch | ooh | 07:46 |
ajmitch | *exciting* | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | :) | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | yeah | 07:46 |
ajmitch | got plenty of caffeine? | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | I don't drink coffee | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | I drink tea instead | 07:46 |
raphink-sleep | and I'm bringing my kubuntu cup there :) | 07:46 |
Hobbsee | and then you'll fall asleep again, so the nick will be correct | 07:47 |
raphink-sleep | with a box of tea bags | 07:47 |
ajmitch | hehe | 07:47 |
Hobbsee | :) | 07:47 |
raphink-sleep | Hobbsee: no way I fall asleep in my office I believe | 07:47 |
raphink-sleep | esp. with this colleague of mine that will be coming to ask questions about dapper again ;) | 07:47 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 07:47 |
raphink-sleep | keeps me awake :) | 07:47 |
raphink-sleep | I should order new CDs | 07:48 |
raphink-sleep | I only have the maximum I could have on shipit, i.e. 8 i386 and 2 amd64 | 07:48 |
raphink-sleep | so I'm gonna run out of them in a very short time | 07:48 |
=== ajmitch probably won't see any dapper cds until the edgy release | ||
Hobbsee | yeah, then why would you need dapper ones? seems a bit strange | 07:49 |
ajmitch | with the stuff we're putting in edgy, who'll want to run that? | 07:49 |
raphink-sleep | haha yes | 07:50 |
raphink-sleep | people who don't measure how unstable it will be | 07:50 |
raphink-sleep | which is most people | 07:50 |
raphink-sleep | just being excited by the fact that it's new and shiny | 07:50 |
Hobbsee | good point | 07:51 |
raphink-sleep | by that time we'll need a bot that will automaticallly answer any sentence of the kind "edgy crashed my system" | 07:51 |
raphink-sleep | on IRC | 07:51 |
crimsun | see the number of people still complaining about udev not installing, for instance... | 07:52 |
raphink-sleep | yes | 07:52 |
raphink-sleep | well people are responsible for their choices | 07:52 |
=== Hobbsee is holding off upgrading :( | ||
raphink-sleep | they should just be told that edgy is not to be as stable as dapper | 07:53 |
ajmitch | they still won't listen | 07:54 |
raphink-sleep | ajmitch: I know, but at least they'll have been warned | 07:54 |
crimsun | Ben totally needs to "misplace" vmlinuz. Maybe that'll learn 'em. | 07:54 |
ajmitch | heh | 07:54 |
raphink-sleep | haha | 07:54 |
ajmitch | you could do a kernel upload as well, crimsun | 07:54 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 07:54 |
=== raphink-sleep tries to find his way to the shower | ||
ajmitch | yo uknow you want to... | 07:54 |
crimsun | ajmitch: I kinda value my life atm... | 07:55 |
Hobbsee | and then have elmo on your tail, yeah...fun | 07:55 |
ajmitch | it can't make edgy that much more broken | 07:55 |
ajmitch | most of the world fails to build at the moment | 07:55 |
raphink-sleep | yes | 07:55 |
raphink-sleep | mostly because of intltool-debian | 07:55 |
raphink-sleep | that prevents debhelper from installing | 07:55 |
ajmitch | which needs manual work by infinity | 07:56 |
raphink-sleep | doesn't help, for sure | 07:56 |
ajmitch | since it needs debhelper to build | 07:56 |
raphink-sleep | well it _could_ be worse | 07:56 |
raphink-sleep | if it was debuild that was broken maybe | 07:56 |
ajmitch | nah | 07:56 |
raphink-sleep | or gcc | 07:57 |
ajmitch | debuild never gets used by the buildds | 07:57 |
ajmitch | gcc breaking would be a little worse | 07:57 |
Hobbsee | heh | 07:57 |
raphink-sleep | but indeed broken debhelper is not the best situation | 07:57 |
raphink-sleep | ;) | 07:57 |
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TheMuso | Hey MOTus. | 08:55 |
LaserJock_ | hi TheMuso | 08:55 |
Hobbsee | hey TheMuso and LaserJock | 08:55 |
LaserJock_ | TheMuso: I think I'm at the table to your right | 08:55 |
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TheMuso | Ah ok. | 09:01 |
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crimsun | ah, you lucky guys/gals you | 09:06 |
crimsun | I'll be on planes most of this week :/ | 09:06 |
Hobbsee | hi crimsun | 09:06 |
ajmitch | poor crimsun | 09:06 |
crimsun | hi Hobbsee | 09:06 |
crimsun | & ajmitch | 09:07 |
=== ajmitch gets to sit here in wintry NZ | ||
LaserJock_ | hi crimsun, my mic works!! | 09:07 |
jsgotangco | its a bit hot here | 09:08 |
TheMuso | Its nice in here however. | 09:08 |
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LaserJock_ | I thought it was a bit chilly at the moment | 09:08 |
=== ajmitch looks for the UDS schedule | ||
LaserJock_ | we are currently doing a 1 min. presentation of *each* spec | 09:10 |
crimsun | LaserJock_: excellent! | 09:10 |
LaserJock_ | https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs starting from the top | 09:10 |
ajmitch | LaserJock_: yes, I can hear about 1 second or so at times | 09:10 |
ajmitch | that's nice, but it doesn't say what the schedule is :) | 09:11 |
ajmitch | nor do we get the audio :) | 09:11 |
LaserJock_ | we don't have a schedule | 09:11 |
LaserJock_ | I don't think | 09:11 |
LaserJock_ | it will be created in a bit via LP et al | 09:11 |
=== ajmitch thinks LaserJock_ has been doing phd stuff too long | ||
ajmitch | using 'et al' | 09:12 |
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Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ | 09:12 |
LaserJock_ | oh yeah | 09:12 |
ajmitch | :) | 09:12 |
ajmitch | 'et al' only refers to people, afaik :) | 09:12 |
LaserJock_ | a priori, in silico ;-) | 09:13 |
Tonio_ | hey Hobbsee | 09:15 |
Tonio_ | hi all | 09:15 |
imbrandon | hrm cant hear much on TS | 09:16 |
imbrandon | heya Tonio_ Hobbsee | 09:16 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: most people arent talking :P | 09:16 |
imbrandon | and ajmitch LaserJock | 09:16 |
Hobbsee | Mithrandir's just got the volume thing activatd, instead of PTT | 09:16 |
imbrandon | yea but it would be nice to hear whom ever is presenting | 09:17 |
ajmitch | it would be | 09:17 |
Mithrandir | Hobbsee: uh, no. I've muted my mic now. | 09:17 |
ajmitch | Mithrandir: it's your one that lights up | 09:17 |
Hobbsee | who's tfheen? | 09:17 |
Hobbsee | tha'ts you isnt it Mithrandir? | 09:17 |
imbrandon | Riddell, can you get close to the presenters and "rebroadcast" hehe | 09:17 |
Mithrandir | Hobbsee: it is, but I've blooded muted my mic so that's quite impressive. | 09:18 |
Hobbsee | *now* it's muted | 09:18 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 09:18 |
ajmitch | I'd blame vmware :) | 09:18 |
=== Hobbsee would just blame ajmitch | ||
Mithrandir | quite impressive. It still picks up stuff when I've unplugged the mic. | 09:19 |
Hobbsee | wow! | 09:19 |
ajmitch | yeah, laptops tend to do that | 09:19 |
Mithrandir | (and no, my laptop doesn't have a built-in mic ttbomk) | 09:19 |
ajmitch | mine does - just a little hole in the case | 09:19 |
Hobbsee | my mic's not connected, although i could... | 09:19 |
Riddell | imbrandon: they're all around the room | 09:21 |
imbrandon | ahh | 09:21 |
TheMuso | tis not quite practicle to mike up everyone. | 09:21 |
imbrandon | ;( | 09:21 |
=== Hobbsee would personally just mic the room, split it, stream one, and blast the other all over the room. | ||
Hobbsee | that'd be the *easiest* way to do such a thing - but woultn let others talk in, i guess | 09:23 |
TheMuso | hehe | 09:24 |
Hobbsee | depends on how big the room is too...hmmm... | 09:25 |
LaserJock_ | hi imbrandon | 09:27 |
LaserJock_ | it's kinda spread out | 09:28 |
Hobbsee | it'd depend on how good the condenser mic was then - and on where it was put | 09:29 |
Hobbsee | and if some idiot went and knocked it, of course :P | 09:29 |
LaserJock_ | right now you would basically do as good reading the specs | 09:29 |
Mithrandir | we could just use a very directional mic | 09:29 |
imbrandon | *tap* *tap* *tap* ..... is this thing on ..... lol | 09:30 |
=== Hobbsee smacks imbrandon | ||
Hobbsee | gah....i wish people wouldnt do that. | 09:30 |
Hobbsee | lol | 09:30 |
imbrandon | ;) | 09:30 |
imbrandon | hrm guess i'm going back to my ipod hacking till something interesting starts hapening | 09:31 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: that's usually why you stick such mics on a roof/wall - so people *dont* do that. :P | 09:31 |
imbrandon | lol | 09:31 |
=== Hobbsee makes a mental note to remember to go to work. | ||
ajmitch | why bother? | 09:32 |
imbrandon | yea the bounty for this is gonna be nice, should include video broadcasting too | 09:32 |
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ajmitch | as long as the bandwidth isn't like UDU... | 09:33 |
jsgotangco | its pretty good actually | 09:33 |
Mithrandir | we have an 8Mbit ADSL, I think. And hopefully, we'll get another one. | 09:34 |
ajmitch | great | 09:35 |
Hobbsee | nice | 09:35 |
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LaserJock_ | raphink: you around? | 09:46 |
raphink | yep just came back | 09:46 |
LaserJock_ | from Paris? | 09:47 |
raphink | ah no | 09:47 |
raphink | from Sophia | 09:47 |
LaserJock_ | k | 09:47 |
raphink | couldn't make it | 09:48 |
raphink | so i'm at work | 09:48 |
raphink | but I'll be there ;) | 09:48 |
raphink | I mean online | 09:48 |
LaserJock_ | sweet | 09:49 |
ajmitch | morning \sh_away :) | 09:49 |
LaserJock_ | raphink: I'm enjoying France so far :-) | 09:49 |
raphink | LaserJock: how is paris? | 09:50 |
LaserJock_ | raphink: the conf or the city? | 09:52 |
LaserJock_ | the conf is great | 09:52 |
raphink | the city ;) | 09:52 |
LaserJock_ | but I haven't been to the city yet | 09:52 |
raphink | ok | 09:52 |
LaserJock_ | 16 euros, shesh | 09:52 |
jsgotangco | yes | 09:52 |
jsgotangco | 2 for a bottle of water | 09:52 |
LaserJock_ | yeah | 09:52 |
raphink | 16 ? | 09:52 |
raphink | for what? | 09:52 |
jsgotangco | no wonder the public fountains have long lines? | 09:52 |
LaserJock_ | raphink: to go to Paris | 09:53 |
jsgotangco | raphink: day long train ticket | 09:53 |
raphink | jsgotangco: you're not going to the right places ;) | 09:53 |
raphink | jsgotangco: ah right | 09:53 |
jsgotangco | brb | 09:53 |
raphink | you might not need to get a day long ticket | 09:53 |
raphink | if it's only to go there and back | 09:53 |
raphink | you can travel on foot inside paris | 09:53 |
LaserJock_ | yeah | 09:55 |
raphink | I wish I could be your guide there ;) | 09:56 |
raphink | although I don't complain being here either ;) | 09:56 |
LaserJock | yeah | 09:56 |
LaserJock | raphink: my only complaint is the hotel seems to be in the middle of nowhere | 09:57 |
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LaserJock | raphink: so there are no shops | 09:57 |
raphink | well... airport | 09:57 |
LaserJock | close | 09:57 |
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ajmitch | sudden burst of sound.. | 09:58 |
TheMuso | LaserJock: Thats how I feel as well. | 10:00 |
TheMuso | ajmitch: Break atm. | 10:00 |
KillerKiwi2006 | any body what nick Alexander Schier goes as? | 10:01 |
crimsun | TS is a lot like Token Ring. =) | 10:08 |
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ajmitch | ouch | 10:43 |
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pschulz01 | Does anyone have a good example of a multi-binary-package package that would begood to look at? | 10:53 |
pschulz01 | I'm looking through 'dhcp' but I was wondering if there was anything else? | 10:54 |
pschulz01 | I'm having trouble finding documentation on how multi packages hang together. | 10:55 |
kelmo | like, one source package, many binary packages sort of thing? | 10:56 |
pschulz01 | kelmo: yes.. | 10:56 |
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pschulz01 | eg. dhcp has 'dhcp-client' ,'dhcp' and 'dhcp-relay' but only one 'debian/rules' files. | 10:57 |
kelmo | yes, that is true for just about every package | 10:57 |
kelmo | the best way is to make good use of debhelper helper files, and have debian/rules simply call the debhelper script that you use | 10:58 |
pschulz01 | There are also dhcp.install and 'dhcp-client.install' files in 'debain' which contains a list of files... | 10:58 |
kelmo | exactly | 10:58 |
kelmo | package.install package.dirs package.init etc etc | 10:58 |
ajmitch | and debian/control lists the binary packages that get created | 10:59 |
kelmo | yup | 10:59 |
siretart | hi kelmo, hi ajmitch | 11:00 |
ajmitch | hi siretart | 11:00 |
siretart | ajmitch: xine-devel answered that xine-lib and ffmpeg use internally some textrelocs | 11:00 |
kelmo | hi siretart | 11:00 |
siretart | gentoo has some patches to remove them from xine-lib (provided by the pax guys), which he wants to test and include them for xine 1.1.3 | 11:01 |
siretart | for ffmpeg it's rather unclear | 11:01 |
kelmo | that Diego from gentoo is always blogging about (and apperently hacking on) xine ;-) | 11:01 |
pschulz01 | So.. let me get this straight... the debian/rules file should get all the binaries/libraries etc to be built, and then dh_buildpackage will separate them all aut according to the <package-name>.install file? | 11:01 |
kelmo | pschulz01: well, package.install is just one helper, but yes, that is the basic idea | 11:02 |
pschulz01 | sorry.. that should be dh_builddeb | 11:02 |
pschulz01 | Is it the '*.install' files that determine what goes in each binary package? cause when building a single binary package I've never noticed or needed it. | 11:04 |
siretart | which is cool that he is working on xine | 11:04 |
siretart | pschulz01: have a look at dh_install(1) | 11:04 |
kelmo | indeed | 11:04 |
kelmo | siretart: in package related news, Jouni just applied some small/trivial patches from me to wpa_supplicant devel branch ;-) | 11:05 |
siretart | \sh: new cmake entered unstable just today (currently in incoming) | 11:05 |
siretart | kelmo: cool :) | 11:05 |
pschulz01 | siretart: dh_install is not what I'm after then.. | 11:05 |
pschulz01 | How do you tell multi binary packages what goes into what? | 11:06 |
pschulz01 | (package) | 11:06 |
crimsun | via foo.install, which is related to dh_install(1) | 11:06 |
kelmo | and foo.dirs, foo.docs, foo,examples . . . <foo.helper> | 11:07 |
ajmitch | dh_install{dirs,docs,examples} respectively | 11:07 |
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siretart | pschulz01: reread 2nd paragraph | 11:08 |
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crimsun | they must be off doing something supersekrit | 11:09 |
ajmitch | obviously | 11:10 |
ajmitch | sabdfl is probably unveiling the master plan for world domination | 11:10 |
ajmitch | or something like that | 11:10 |
crimsun | 8:30 AM meeting, have to sleep *zonk* | 11:15 |
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ajmitch | night crimsun | 11:17 |
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AnAnt | are the edgy repos open yet ? | 11:31 |
AnAnt | it is called edgy , right ? | 11:31 |
LaserJock | AnAnt: yes | 11:33 |
LaserJock | and yes | 11:33 |
AnAnt | ok, I am using dapper | 11:33 |
AnAnt | and yesterday I found 94 updates | 11:34 |
LaserJock | from -security and -update | 11:34 |
AnAnt | gnome 2.14.2 & linux kernel 2.6.15-25.43 | 11:35 |
AnAnt | actually I am not sure where they are from | 11:35 |
ajmitch | yes | 11:35 |
ajmitch | -security & -updates :) | 11:35 |
AnAnt | I enabled security,update & dapper-backports | 11:36 |
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AnAnt | ic | 11:36 |
AnAnt | the kernel didn't boot though | 11:36 |
AnAnt | giving me some error | 11:36 |
AnAnt | about /dev/{dunno what}/dunno what too | 11:36 |
ajmitch | & you've filed a bug with those details? | 11:36 |
AnAnt | nope | 11:36 |
AnAnt | I want to retry first | 11:36 |
AnAnt | I just came to ask wether those were backports or not | 11:36 |
AnAnt | ok, so, does the new kernel support MMCv4 cards ? | 11:37 |
ajmitch | I doubt anything new was added in the update | 11:38 |
TheMuso | Anybody here from the conference having trouble accessing their smtp servers/ | 11:38 |
AnAnt | ic | 11:38 |
jsgotangco | webmail rocks | 11:38 |
jsgotangco | heh | 11:38 |
TheMuso | Webmail sucks. | 11:38 |
TheMuso | :) | 11:38 |
jsgotangco | heh | 11:39 |
AnAnt | ok, I uploaded some packages to the REVU, how do I know if they are going to enter Edgy or not ? | 11:39 |
AnAnt | ajmitch: btw, how/where to file a bug? | 11:39 |
ajmitch | launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 11:40 |
AnAnt | k, thx | 11:40 |
LaserJock | AnAnt: if they are approved by 2 MOTUs they can be uploaded to Universe | 11:40 |
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azeem | are they broadcast? | 12:01 |
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ajmitch | teamspeak only | 12:01 |
azeem | ah | 12:01 |
ajmitch | & gobby sessions | 12:02 |
ajmitch | however I'm 10 hours ahead of paris time :) | 12:02 |
azeem | yeah, you should be *on* Paris time! | 12:03 |
azeem | well, they probably have insane business hours during their conference, so being some hours off might be an advantage to some... | 12:04 |
azeem | though 10 hours seems excessive | 12:04 |
ajmitch | being in NZ has its disadvantages | 12:04 |
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Toadstool | hi everybody | 12:12 |
lukketto | Hi | 12:13 |
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ajmitch | zul! | 12:25 |
tseng | there is only zul. | 12:25 |
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zul | hey ajmitch | 12:25 |
zul | and tseng | 12:26 |
zul | this voip thing is actually kind of cool | 12:26 |
ajmitch | yeah | 12:26 |
ajmitch | and gobby | 12:26 |
zul | i could hear fabbione's voice for a minute.. | 12:26 |
ajmitch | heh | 12:26 |
ajmitch | scared yet? | 12:26 |
zul | oh i been scared before | 12:27 |
zul | brb | 12:27 |
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ajmitch | watching people type up a spec is interesting | 12:29 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: heh, it's kinda interesting on this end too | 12:31 |
tseng | woo! | 12:31 |
tseng | looks like debconf may be fixed | 12:31 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: a bit more so, I'd say | 12:31 |
ajmitch | great | 12:32 |
ajmitch | the buildds are thrashing around again? | 12:32 |
tseng | dunno | 12:32 |
tseng | just peeked in my chroot | 12:32 |
ajmitch | looks like they're all idle | 12:32 |
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tseng | cli-common built | 12:32 |
tseng | 0.4.2 | 12:32 |
ajmitch | welcome back, zul | 12:32 |
ajmitch | hm, great | 12:33 |
tseng | good enough for me | 12:33 |
zul | ajmitch: thkx | 12:33 |
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ajmitch | tseng: it built locally, not in edgy? | 12:33 |
tseng | no? | 12:33 |
tseng | you know what | 12:33 |
tseng | i did showsrc | 12:34 |
ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cli-common/0.4.2 | 12:34 |
ajmitch | ah | 12:34 |
tseng | dummy | 12:34 |
tseng | < | 12:34 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: I need to listen to one BOF will talking in another ;-) | 12:34 |
tseng | is there a url for all the fun? | 12:36 |
Lathiat | i just discovered a copy of the free software song in my music folder | 12:36 |
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ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate | 12:36 |
tseng | thanks | 12:36 |
zul | what time is it in paris btw? | 12:37 |
tseng | about 1pm | 12:37 |
siretart | 12:37 | 12:37 |
ajmitch | 12:37 | 12:37 |
ajmitch | and http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ | 12:38 |
LaserJock | yeah, I'm getting hungry | 12:39 |
tseng | no-more-source-pacakges? | 12:39 |
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tseng | oh | 12:39 |
tseng | Topic: should we abandon source packages entirely in favour of working in bzr | 12:40 |
ajmitch | tseng: everything-in-bzr | 12:40 |
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tseng | including hct, i hope | 12:40 |
siretart | better: create source packages by buildds | 12:40 |
ajmitch | keybuk considers hct to be deprecated | 12:40 |
tseng | in favor of? | 12:40 |
ajmitch | siretart: sure, people will still want source packages done the traditional way | 12:41 |
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ajmitch | but we'd avoid uploading them | 12:41 |
tseng | siretart: dch; bzr ci -m "My Commit"; launchpad-magic-branch-action; | 12:41 |
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tseng | maybe just sftp to a magic place | 12:42 |
ajmitch | siretart: how many branches have you pushed now? | 12:42 |
ajmitch | tseng: it's all tied to the personal package archive magic | 12:42 |
ajmitch | where a branch is blessed as 'put this in the distro' | 12:42 |
siretart | ajmitch: you could import sourcepackages as 'foreign' vcs commit | 12:42 |
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siretart | ajmitch: dunno, I have some more in private use, and I wonder if I should leave them on tauware or push them to the supermirror | 12:43 |
Mithrandir | ajmitch: "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy" | 12:43 |
Mithrandir | possibly with a tag too. | 12:43 |
ajmitch | I've had some here in private use for quite awhile | 12:43 |
ajmitch | that would be interesting | 12:43 |
siretart | ajmitch: currently, i have a shared repo on tauware.de, this saves bandwith when I push a new branch | 12:43 |
ajmitch | siretart: yes, something launchpad really lacks at the moment | 12:43 |
Mithrandir | or sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/casper/1.60 | 12:43 |
ajmitch | it hurts when you've changed only a couple of files in a branch | 12:43 |
siretart | which is a common use case | 12:44 |
siretart | at least for me | 12:44 |
ajmitch | yes | 12:44 |
Mithrandir | ajmitch: some of us have more bandwidth than others. :-P | 12:44 |
ajmitch | I have a number of branches which were patches | 12:44 |
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ajmitch | Mithrandir: even so, bzr latency hurts :) | 12:44 |
Mithrandir | bzr latency inside the DC is quite acceptable, IMO. | 12:44 |
Mithrandir | ;-) | 12:44 |
ajmitch | it was pushing at about ~5K/sec | 12:44 |
ajmitch | :P | 12:44 |
ajmitch | Mithrandir: how's the hotel for this one? | 12:48 |
Mithrandir | ajmitch: it's a hotel. It has a swimming pool, I have a bed and they serve food. There's a limit to how exciting hotels get after a while. | 12:49 |
Mithrandir | it's decent enough, I'm just bored of hotels. | 12:49 |
ajmitch | :) | 12:49 |
tseng | We have Personal Package Archives in the pipeline those will allow people to have their own small apt-get/synaptic compatible archives served by, and built by, Launchpad. | 12:49 |
tseng | that is cool | 12:49 |
ajmitch | yeah | 12:49 |
ajmitch | it's been in planning for quite awhile | 12:49 |
siretart | I hope the 'closing bugs via changelog' spec didn't get dropped of the pipeline | 12:50 |
tseng | i hope you need to be in the keyring for that | 12:50 |
ajmitch | no, I think they're truly personal archives | 12:50 |
ajmitch | so people will upload to launchpad, not REVU | 12:50 |
tseng | lower buildd priority, then | 12:50 |
ajmitch | certainly | 12:51 |
tseng | sucks enough to be in the middle of a multi package juggling act fighting against the buildd | 12:51 |
ajmitch | but I don't think builds can be preempted | 12:51 |
ajmitch | so if the queue is empty, and someone uploads a multi-hour build to their PPA, it'll block at the moment | 12:51 |
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tseng | yes | 12:51 |
ajmitch | joy, private launchpad wiki, we won't see the spec later | 12:52 |
tseng | yeah last time i complained about that the answer was "yeah we are going to open that no problem" | 12:52 |
tseng | actually what happened was they horked the vhost so things went to the lp wiki | 12:53 |
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ajmitch | kinnison was just apologising for it | 12:53 |
ajmitch | must be lunchtime there now | 12:59 |
Mithrandir | luuuuuuuunch. | 01:03 |
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zul | hey | 01:33 |
ajmitch | hello | 01:34 |
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phanatic | afternoon everyone | 01:40 |
ajmitch | hi phanatic | 01:40 |
phanatic | hey ajmitch | 01:40 |
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ivoks | uploads for ubuntu-security goes trough pitti, right? | 01:54 |
ajmitch | yep | 01:55 |
ajmitch | there's a mailing list.. | 01:55 |
ivoks | i know :) | 01:55 |
ajmitch | ok :) | 01:55 |
ivoks | we have mailing lists for everything :) | 01:55 |
ajmitch | security-revies@lists.u.c | 01:56 |
ivoks | yup | 01:56 |
ajmitch | almost.. | 01:57 |
ajmitch | review, not revies | 01:57 |
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ajmitch | jsgotangco: good lunch? | 01:57 |
jsgotangco | pretty good | 01:57 |
jsgotangco | you're supposed to be sleeping right? | 01:58 |
ajmitch | it's only midnight | 01:58 |
ajmitch | I want to sit in on the next BOF about source packages | 01:58 |
jsgotangco | ahh yes | 01:58 |
ivoks | $SU -l postgres -c "$PGENGINE/initdb --pgdata=$PGDATA" >> $PGLOG 2>&1 < /dev/null | 01:58 |
ivoks | oh, made by redhat :/ | 01:58 |
ajmitch | there's also the easier-motuing BOF after that | 01:59 |
ajmitch | but I don't know if I can stay awake that long | 01:59 |
imbrandon_ | rec it ajmitch | 02:00 |
imbrandon_ | ts can rec | 02:00 |
ajmitch | nah | 02:00 |
ajmitch | it's something I'd want to discuss, not just record | 02:00 |
imbrandon_ | right | 02:00 |
siretart | can someone please save a recording of that bof anyway please? | 02:00 |
siretart | I don't have ts here right now | 02:01 |
ajmitch | siretart: sure, someone will :) | 02:01 |
ajmitch | I think the aim is to record them all | 02:01 |
whiprush_ | I tried to use teamspeak for about 30 seconds. | 02:03 |
whiprush_ | then right to the recycle bin. | 02:03 |
ajmitch | heh | 02:03 |
ajmitch | it's great software, isn't it? | 02:03 |
whiprush_ | easymotuing sounds fun | 02:04 |
ajmitch | "how do we make the MOTU community suck less?" | 02:04 |
ajmitch | since we do suck at times at getting new people in | 02:04 |
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zul | we suck? | 02:06 |
ajmitch | yes, we all suck | 02:06 |
imbrandon_ | hehe | 02:06 |
imbrandon_ | arg whats the ts ady again | 02:06 |
imbrandon_ | i just cleard the field | 02:06 |
ajmitch | teamspeak.uds.canonical.com | 02:06 |
imbrandon_ | thx | 02:07 |
tseng | hi jsgotangco | 02:07 |
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ajmitch | the headphones on this are painful | 02:07 |
jsgotangco | bonjour! | 02:07 |
ajmitch | 'playing along from home' indeed... :) | 02:09 |
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imbrandon_ | ajmitch can you understand lifeless ? | 02:21 |
ajmitch | no | 02:21 |
imbrandon_ | kk making sure it wasent just me | 02:21 |
ajmitch | lifeless: you need to use push-to-speak on teamspeak | 02:21 |
lifeless | ajmitch: I know | 02:24 |
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imbrandon_ | yes msw | 02:26 |
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imbrandon_ | VERY MUCH | 02:35 |
imbrandon_ | ajmitch can you communicate that i feel that would be VERY helpfulle, i dont have a working mic | 02:35 |
imbrandon_ | atm | 02:35 |
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imbrandon_ | barely ;) | 02:36 |
ajmitch | hm | 02:36 |
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Hobbsee | hey dholbach! | 02:38 |
ajmitch | dholbach!! | 02:38 |
imbrandon_ | yea i mainly think its a case of people not knowing about bzr | 02:38 |
dholbach | heya | 02:38 |
ajmitch | and bzr lacking in some areas | 02:38 |
imbrandon_ | but once it past that it can be very helpfull | 02:38 |
ajmitch | like the submit-by-email feature being done as SoC project | 02:38 |
imbrandon_ | ajmitch true | 02:38 |
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ajmitch | or having to push the *whole* branch to launchpad :) | 02:39 |
imbrandon_ | as long as the build system makes the old way transparent it could be pulled off | 02:40 |
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imbrandon_ | exactly transparency is they key | 02:42 |
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Hobbsee | ah, sounds much better on the headphones. | 02:44 |
ianm | hi guys. I'm interested in getting some projects into ubuntu. specifically the Screen Ruler, Font Sampler, and Chess Clock (screenshots: http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/ ) | 02:44 |
imbrandon_ | lifeless: can you use push to talk please | 02:48 |
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lifeless | imbrandon_: I do | 03:00 |
imbrandon_ | hmm ok | 03:00 |
Hobbsee | lifeless: we're missing most of what you're saying... | 03:00 |
ajmitch | lifeless: it's been unintelligible when you were speaking | 03:00 |
ajmitch | cutting out most of the tie | 03:00 |
imbrandon_ | yea | 03:00 |
ajmitch | s/tie/time/ | 03:00 |
imbrandon_ | everyone else seems clear though | 03:00 |
imbrandon_ | or atleaste clear enough to understand | 03:00 |
lifeless | well, I'm using push to talk, and my mic gain is at max. | 03:01 |
lifeless | turn your volume up :) | 03:01 |
ajmitch | my ears would bleed then - everyone else is loud :) | 03:02 |
Hobbsee | lifeless: and get blasted by everyone else :P | 03:02 |
lifeless | easier for them to turn gain down :) | 03:02 |
imbrandon_ | its not realy the loudness, its the cutting in and out | 03:02 |
imbrandon_ | we hear like every other word | 03:03 |
lifeless | no idea whats causing that | 03:03 |
lifeless | any suggestions rather than second guessing, would be appreciated | 03:03 |
imbrandon_ | right right, no idea atm, thought it was push to talk | 03:03 |
ajmitch | alright, time for dholbach to shine.. | 03:05 |
ajmitch | heh | 03:06 |
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Hobbsee | hah | 03:06 |
ajmitch | dholbach! don't leave us! | 03:06 |
Hobbsee | wb dholbach | 03:06 |
_ion | lifeless: amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' unmute | 03:06 |
lifeless | amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boot (+20dB)',0 | 03:07 |
lifeless | muhha | 03:07 |
Hobbsee | alsamixer? | 03:07 |
lifeless | mixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boost (+20dB)',0 | 03:07 |
_ion | Mic | 03:07 |
lifeless | oh feh | 03:07 |
lifeless | we'll see if that helps - thanks | 03:08 |
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ajmitch | dholbach: do we have a BOF? | 03:13 |
dholbach | easiuer-motuing | 03:13 |
dholbach | port 9003 | 03:13 |
ajmitch | yes, but are you on teamspeak? | 03:13 |
dholbach | oh no, none of us is | 03:14 |
jsgotangco | lol | 03:14 |
ajmitch | oh well | 03:14 |
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jsgotangco | TS isn't becoming too popular even | 03:15 |
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ajmitch | it's sort of the only way some of us can be involved | 03:15 |
ajmitch | since most people aren't inclined to discuss on irc as well | 03:15 |
jsgotangco | the Tab Consistency BOF is pretty active in TS | 03:16 |
ajmitch | yeah I see that | 03:16 |
ajmitch | dholbach: some summary of what's going on would be nice | 03:20 |
dbernar1 | hi. If I get this error, and want to change the source for the package so it does not perform that particular check, which file can I edit? The error is shown in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15295. In the changelog file of the source for the package, I can see when the maintainer created the check I want to remove. | 03:20 |
dholbach | ajmitch: we're writing the spec atm | 03:20 |
dholbach | the gobby session is open | 03:20 |
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dbernar1 | I think I found it in the packages file. | 03:22 |
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dbernar1 | I made the change. Just added some #s. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15984 is what it looks like now. How do I make a .deb out of it? Should I just read the new debian maintainer's guide? | 03:25 |
siretart | is the gobby server supposed to work from the outside? I get only timeouts | 03:25 |
ajmitch | yes, it does work | 03:26 |
ajmitch | though I don't see anything happening to the spec | 03:26 |
ajmitch | siretart: port 9003? | 03:26 |
siretart | oh. interesting. I'll try | 03:26 |
dbernar1 | Can I package a .deb without a gpg key? | 03:27 |
zul | whats the addy for gobby again? | 03:27 |
dbernar1 | Just for myself. | 03:27 |
ajmitch | dbernar1: yes | 03:27 |
Hobbsee | zul: it's in repos, it seems | 03:27 |
ajmitch | zul: gobby.uds.ubuntu.com | 03:27 |
dbernar1 | OK. brb. | 03:27 |
hub | so you guys are in Paris? | 03:28 |
ajmitch | nope | 03:28 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 03:28 |
Hobbsee | nope | 03:28 |
sorenh | yeah | 03:28 |
zul | nope.. | 03:28 |
jsgotangco | lol | 03:28 |
imbrandon | nope | 03:28 |
siretart | ajmitch: thanks. this was it. | 03:28 |
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ajmitch | preferable is the right spelling :P | 03:29 |
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Hobbsee | oh i dont know | 03:31 |
Hobbsee | who mentioned preferable though? | 03:31 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: in gobby | 03:32 |
Hobbsee | oh | 03:32 |
imbrandon | hrm gobby isnt connecting | 03:32 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: port 9003 | 03:32 |
imbrandon | ahh | 03:32 |
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dbernar1 | OK, that worked, thanks. | 03:45 |
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ajmitch | well, that was an abrupt ending | 03:57 |
imbrandon | heh | 03:57 |
imbrandon | tab consist over ? | 03:58 |
Hobbsee | oh, ajmitch: i thougth about it, and decided it wasnt a good idea. | 03:58 |
ajmitch | almost | 03:58 |
Hobbsee | :P | 03:58 |
ajmitch | siretart: we'll need to save the document after this :) | 03:59 |
imbrandon | ajmitch is motueasy next ? | 03:59 |
siretart | ajmitch: you should save it regularily, because gobby used to crash a lot | 04:00 |
siretart | I wonder why it didn't crash yet.. | 04:00 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: it's just finished | 04:00 |
imbrandon | umm i mean in paris | 04:00 |
ajmitch | the next scheduled session for it is drafting | 04:01 |
imbrandon | k | 04:01 |
ajmitch | however the spec session was mostly drafting | 04:01 |
ajmitch | siretart: this is a newer version :) | 04:01 |
ajmitch | one that doesn't kill the document for everyone when someone's gobby crashes | 04:01 |
siretart | ajmitch: still without undo | 04:02 |
ajmitch | of course | 04:02 |
ajmitch | that's why you save your doc into a bzr branch :) | 04:02 |
siretart | and have a cronjob autocomitting it every 2 minutes? | 04:03 |
siretart | :P | 04:03 |
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ajmitch | bzr is cheap, far less setup than cvs or svn | 04:03 |
whiprush_ | I keep all my work documents in bzr. | 04:03 |
whiprush_ | it's sweet. | 04:03 |
siretart | bzr autocommit --interval=2min ~/documents | 04:06 |
siretart | bzr autocommit --stop ~/documents | 04:06 |
siretart | ;) | 04:06 |
ajmitch | hehe | 04:07 |
ajmitch | that'd be an easy plugin to write.. | 04:08 |
siretart | ajmitch: gogogo! :) | 04:08 |
ajmitch | :) | 04:08 |
ajmitch | don't tempt me | 04:08 |
ajmitch | I've got enough to procrastinate with | 04:08 |
Hobbsee | go on ajmitch :P | 04:08 |
imbrandon | hehe | 04:08 |
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ajmitch | siretart: set it running in your session when you login? :) | 04:09 |
imbrandon | would be nice | 04:10 |
imbrandon | heh | 04:10 |
siretart | I'd rather like to have it started manually, and stop automatically as soon as I close the shell | 04:10 |
tseng | is slomo in paris? | 04:10 |
ajmitch | yes | 04:10 |
ajmitch | he is | 04:10 |
tseng | cool | 04:10 |
siretart | the use case: I setup an 'autocommit' branch, and after I finish my work, I merge that in some other branch | 04:10 |
ajmitch | siretart: should be possible, I think | 04:11 |
ajmitch | I wonder if the release schedule BOF is going on now | 04:11 |
siretart | I wonder what the result of the nomoresourcepackages spec was | 04:11 |
ajmitch | result? | 04:11 |
siretart | s/spec/bof session/ | 04:11 |
siretart | well, they did discuss it, no? | 04:11 |
ajmitch | there was no result, just some blue-sky discussion | 04:11 |
ajmitch | keybuk came up with a grand plan to use bzr like quilt | 04:12 |
ajmitch | obsoleting the method on the wiki | 04:12 |
ajmitch | managing patches with ease | 04:12 |
siretart | hm | 04:12 |
tseng | using bzr like quilt w/o hct sounds like a pita to me | 04:12 |
siretart | it is marked 'essential' | 04:12 |
siretart | is this really targeted for edgy? | 04:12 |
tseng | have you seen how manoj does it | 04:12 |
ajmitch | he says it'd only take an hour or two to code up | 04:12 |
ajmitch | tseng: somewhat | 04:12 |
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tseng | pain | 04:13 |
tseng | dholbach: !!! | 04:13 |
ajmitch | siretart: not really, sabdfl wanted it talked about though | 04:13 |
ajmitch | welcome back, dholbach | 04:13 |
siretart | i see | 04:13 |
dholbach | re | 04:13 |
ajmitch | it's quite possible to do for edgy though | 04:13 |
dholbach | :) | 04:13 |
ajmitch | at least some parts of it | 04:13 |
ajmitch | we wrote up more of the MOTU doc.. | 04:13 |
ajmitch | (a few extra lines is all) | 04:14 |
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tseng | Mez: a question | 04:14 |
ajmitch | siretart: I've got most of it recorded | 04:14 |
tseng | Mez: when you uploaded a broken ifolder did you mean for it to go to revu or dapper? | 04:15 |
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siretart | ajmitch: cool. is it accessible somewhere? | 04:17 |
ajmitch | siretart: not yet, it's a large .wav file | 04:17 |
siretart | ah, i see | 04:18 |
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ajmitch | I can just make out kamion's accent | 04:19 |
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Mez | tseng: I really cant remember - I uploaded it in like - february | 04:21 |
tseng | Mez: yes but it was clearly broken and wouldnt build in pbuilder even | 04:23 |
tseng | I am hoping you meant to upload it to revu | 04:23 |
ajmitch | that's a nice late tentative feature freeze | 04:23 |
ajmitch | (mid-sept) | 04:23 |
ajmitch | beta 2 weeks later | 04:23 |
whiprush_ | bah, teamspeak sucks for me. | 04:23 |
ajmitch | yep | 04:23 |
tseng | Mez: just please be more careful in the future, the package was broken (and never reviewed by motus) | 04:23 |
ajmitch | sucks for us all | 04:24 |
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Hobbsee | well, it is supposed to be edgy - makes no sense to have half the dev cycle swallowed in feature freeze... | 04:24 |
ajmitch | whiprush_: gobby! | 04:24 |
ajmitch | whiprush_: I'm not in paris either | 04:24 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: we still need to be able to release something usable | 04:24 |
whiprush_ | is gobby working? | 04:24 |
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ajmitch | yes | 04:24 |
Hobbsee | i'm aware of that... | 04:24 |
ajmitch | just because it's edgy doesn't mean we throw all quality out the door | 04:25 |
tseng | ajmitch: Hobbsee is new at this :) | 04:25 |
ajmitch | bah, she'll learn | 04:25 |
tseng | should have been here for breezy | 04:25 |
Lathiat | why is it everytime yoru in a rush to reboot, it was 30 days since you last fsckd | 04:25 |
tseng | bring the pain | 04:25 |
whiprush_ | yeah, people seem to think that edgy is going to be like sid or something | 04:25 |
tseng | haha sid | 04:25 |
Kamping_Kaiser | 30 days? | 04:26 |
whiprush_ | you should see the forums, they think FF2.0 and gaim2.0 are shipping | 04:26 |
tseng | "gnome is broken 8 months of the year" | 04:26 |
ajmitch | whiprush_: dude, sid is incredibly stable compared to what we go through | 04:27 |
whiprush_ | heh | 04:27 |
Kamping_Kaiser | <g> | 04:27 |
Hobbsee | tseng: bah, i did some of the cd testing for that - not proper dev stuff. | 04:27 |
tseng | breezy was our rockiest dev cycle so far | 04:28 |
tseng | the first release of warty that i got was more stable | 04:28 |
whiprush_ | ajmitch: are you just joining every gobby session or .... ? | 04:28 |
ajmitch | whiprush_: no, just the ones I'm following | 04:28 |
tseng | sounder 7 or some junk | 04:28 |
Hobbsee | heh, i remember kde being a bit nuts then too | 04:28 |
tseng | kde wasnt exactly supported in warty | 04:29 |
whiprush_ | ajmitch: how can you tell which port corresponds to which talk? I don't see it on the schedule | 04:29 |
ajmitch | whiprush_: you get told :) | 04:29 |
ajmitch | it's the only way | 04:29 |
whiprush_ | ajmitch: which one are you in? :) | 04:29 |
ajmitch | 9001 | 04:29 |
ajmitch | edgy-release-schedule | 04:29 |
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tseng | i cant use those ports out the firewall | 04:29 |
tseng | w/o a bunch of clever ssh hackery | 04:30 |
tseng | I won't be joining you | 04:30 |
ajmitch | ok | 04:30 |
Mez | tseng:np - will do :D | 04:30 |
tseng | Mez: thanks | 04:30 |
whiprush_ | ajmitch: cool, I'll just follow you around then. | 04:30 |
ajmitch | haha | 04:31 |
ajmitch | it's 2:30AM here | 04:31 |
Hobbsee | tseng: i meant for breezy | 04:31 |
ajmitch | I'm not staying up much longer | 04:31 |
tseng | oh | 04:31 |
Hobbsee | crazy ajmitch staying up all night :P | 04:31 |
ajmitch | depends if I'm able to hear anything in the gcc-ssp bof | 04:31 |
tseng | oh | 04:32 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: as if you can talk | 04:32 |
tseng | thats today? | 04:32 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: it's not even 1 yet :P | 04:32 |
tseng | suck | 04:32 |
ajmitch | kamion is the only one I can really hear | 04:32 |
ajmitch | funny | 04:33 |
ajmitch | thinking that merges will be complete in a week or two | 04:33 |
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ajmitch | universe merges will take a lot longer | 04:34 |
ajmitch | but that doesn't matter | 04:35 |
Hobbsee | oh ok, so they're only talking about main... | 04:35 |
ajmitch | they usually do | 04:35 |
ajmitch | universe can follow its own schedule for that | 04:35 |
ajmitch | though we do tend to follow UVF & FF | 04:35 |
Hobbsee | true | 04:36 |
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siretart | merging universe will be hell this time.. | 04:39 |
ajmitch | yes | 04:39 |
ajmitch | I think we have > 1000 to merge or check for syncs | 04:39 |
azeem | how many active mergers are there approximately? | 04:40 |
ajmitch | maybe 10 or so for universe | 04:40 |
siretart | this is hard to guess | 04:40 |
ajmitch | depends on how many random helpers we get | 04:40 |
siretart | 10, maybe less maybe a bit more | 04:40 |
phanatic | ajmitch: consider that as a motu school session :) | 04:42 |
ajmitch | it probably would be | 04:42 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee can teach it | 04:42 |
Hobbsee | what??? | 04:42 |
ajmitch | thanks | 04:42 |
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Hobbsee | whatever it is. | 04:42 |
phanatic | great :) | 04:42 |
ajmitch | yes you will | 04:42 |
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siretart | I'm volunteering for a motu school session 'effective merging debian changes using bzr' | 04:43 |
ajmitch | siretart: bah, you beat me to it ;) | 04:43 |
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siretart | ajmitch: perhaps we can prepare it together? | 04:44 |
ajmitch | siretart: might be a good idea - bzr is good for collaborative work :) | 04:44 |
phanatic | i'm really looking forward to that session, guys... | 04:44 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: you'll learn quickly enough | 04:44 |
ajmitch | siretart: got some ideas to write up about it? | 04:46 |
siretart | ajmitch: I've done some merges with bzr, and found it very handy | 04:47 |
siretart | ajmitch: I'd like to craft some scripts, because some tasks are quite common | 04:47 |
siretart | I need to write my ideas down | 04:47 |
siretart | did get to it, I'm currenty at work ;) | 04:47 |
ajmitch | doing a full import of the base debian package, the newer one, and the ubuntu package? | 04:47 |
ajmitch | heh | 04:47 |
siretart | full import of the base package | 04:47 |
siretart | then creating 2 branches: debian and ubuntu branch | 04:48 |
siretart | update the ubuntu branch with the ubuntu package | 04:48 |
siretart | then update the debian branch with the new debian package | 04:48 |
siretart | then merge the ubuntu branch to the debian branch | 04:48 |
siretart | then resolve, and be happy | 04:48 |
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ajmitch | nice :) | 04:48 |
siretart | some bzr plugin to import/update a branch with a new package would be great | 04:49 |
ajmitch | we need to spec this! :) | 04:49 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: get writing :P | 04:49 |
ajmitch | though some of that will be covered by what keybuk was suggesting in NoMoreSourcePackages | 04:49 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: enough with your smart comments :P | 04:50 |
siretart | s/with a new/from a given/ | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | okay | 04:50 |
ajmitch | next you'll be suggesting I actually do work | 04:50 |
siretart | in principle this is what will be done with NoMoreSourcePackages | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 04:51 |
ajmitch | in practice, keybuk was going to try & write up a plugin in a spare session in paris | 04:51 |
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ajmitch | siretart: what other things could we do for motu school sessions? | 04:58 |
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Hobbsee | ajmitch: anything to do with bzr - as most people havent used it | 05:00 |
ajmitch | that will take a little bit of time for common practices to emerge | 05:01 |
siretart | ajmitch: 'how to triage bugs in malone' 'effective forwarding of bugs in malone to debbugs' | 05:01 |
phanatic | Hobbsee: there are some decent howtos on the bzr homepage | 05:01 |
ajmitch | currently we're experimenting with how to maintain packages & the like with bzr | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | true | 05:02 |
siretart | perhaps we should start with 'common tasks when maintaining packages with bzr' | 05:02 |
ajmitch | ok | 05:02 |
siretart | and make that mandatory for the 'merging session' | 05:02 |
ajmitch | most people aren't going to be maintaining their own packages with several patches against upstream | 05:03 |
ajmitch | lewing said he had 23 patches for me to apply to f-spot, at last count.. | 05:03 |
ajmitch | so I'm interested in what keybuk can do | 05:03 |
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Hobbsee | night all | 05:29 |
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ajmitch | night all | 06:02 |
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TheMuso | c | 06:14 |
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crimsun | Mez: ping, do you mind making one of siretart, slomo, or myself an LP ubuntu-backports admin, please? | 07:20 |
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Yagisan | night all | 07:42 |
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gilligan_ | evening | 07:52 |
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tortho | who is deciding wich packages goes into ubuntu-desktop? | 08:59 |
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uniq | tortho: Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com> | 09:17 |
uniq | that's my guess. | 09:17 |
tortho | uniq: Thanks | 09:18 |
uniq | you're welcome :) | 09:19 |
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Sp4rKy | hi MOTUs | 09:30 |
Sp4rKy | i've a little answer about at-poke , which is in UniverseCandidates | 09:30 |
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Sp4rKy | i'm trying to package it but needs cspi1-0 , but i don't find any cspi version in apt | 09:31 |
Sp4rKy | so do i blind or it is really not in repositories ? | 09:32 |
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chantra | hi there | 09:32 |
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uniq | sp4rky: you can check with packages.ubuntu.com | 09:34 |
Sp4rKy | uniq, ;( really doesn't exist in repositories, so i must create it before :/ | 09:35 |
uniq | sp4rky: check packages.debian.org, it's very quick to move a package from debian to ubuntu. | 09:36 |
Sp4rKy | uniq, another good idea :) | 09:37 |
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Sp4rKy | uniq, no more in debian :/ | 09:39 |
uniq | then you might have to make it yourself :) | 09:41 |
Sp4rKy | youpiii :/ | 09:43 |
chantra | raphink: are you here? | 09:44 |
raphink | yeah but a bit busy ;) | 09:44 |
chantra | :) | 09:44 |
raphink | will you be online later? | 09:44 |
chantra | okie, I uploaded a sync/merged version of fuse | 09:44 |
chantra | raphink: don't really know | 09:44 |
chantra | just to let you know that yo can check it out on revu | 09:45 |
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chantra | Hawkwind: :D | 09:45 |
Yagisan | didn't fuse go into the kernel ? | 09:45 |
chantra | Yagisan: still require some utils and -dev packages | 09:46 |
Yagisan | chantra: ok. nevermind me then. I haven't touched it since a failed attempt at gmailfs | 09:47 |
chantra | raphink: basically, I removed debconf, too many bigs due to that, actual debian package depends on makedev_2.3.1-81 so I had to change few line | 09:47 |
chantra | merged udev rule + other merges | 09:48 |
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Sp4rKy | does anyone have a package which generate many deb for an examples ? | 10:35 |
chantra | Sp4rKy: yep | 10:35 |
chantra | there is gaim , fuse | 10:36 |
Sp4rKy | chantra, apt-get source gaim to see it ? | 10:36 |
chantra | indeed | 10:36 |
chantra | it is base on different package-bit1.install|postinst package-bit2.install|postinst.... | 10:37 |
Sp4rKy | k thx | 10:37 |
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reclusivemonkey | hello all | 11:10 |
crimsun | hi | 11:12 |
reclusivemonkey | I've been informed this is a place you can request for apps to be included in Ubuntu repositories. I have been trying to compile OGMRip all night, and failed miserably, so though I have nothing to lose by asking in here! | 11:12 |
crimsun | that's really a #ubuntu question, but I'll look in a sec. | 11:12 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: tried in there, its too busy. I am used to a.o.l.s! | 11:13 |
crimsun | (it would be helpful to me if you gave me a url to download the ogmrip source) | 11:13 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: one tick, you'll have it... | 11:13 |
reclusivemonkey | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz?download | 11:14 |
crimsun | that's probably an html page | 11:14 |
crimsun | sorry, I'm very busy atm | 11:14 |
reclusivemonkey | well I don't assume where you are. which location do you want or doesn't it matter? | 11:15 |
crimsun | doesn't matter | 11:15 |
crimsun | wgettable is preferable | 11:15 |
reclusivemonkey | http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz | 11:15 |
crimsun | ``sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer'' should fix that | 11:17 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: TY dude, will try that | 11:18 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: nope, I did that, then ldconfig, then make clean, ./configure, make. same result | 11:22 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: what does configure barf on? | 11:22 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: ./configure doesn't barf, make does | 11:23 |
reclusivemonkey | ./configure is happy as larry... | 11:23 |
crimsun | ok, shooting in the dark doesn't help. Pastebin the output. | 11:23 |
reclusivemonkey | ok i will have to go learn what pastebin is. brb | 11:24 |
crimsun | http://pastebin.ca for instance | 11:24 |
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tiagoboldt | just put your output there reclusivemonkey | 11:24 |
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reclusivemonkey | tiagoboldt: the whole make output, or just where it starts to barf? | 11:25 |
tiagoboldt | that you must ask crimsun:) | 11:25 |
crimsun | the entire thing. | 11:26 |
crimsun | context is quite important | 11:26 |
reclusivemonkey | np | 11:26 |
reclusivemonkey | http://pastebin.ca/67382 | 11:27 |
crimsun | line 276. | 11:28 |
crimsun | that's a source error; fix the source. | 11:28 |
reclusivemonkey | ogmrip-backend.c:353:5: error: missing binary operator before token "2" | 11:29 |
reclusivemonkey | thats line 276. which particular source is this referring to? | 11:30 |
crimsun | crimsun@garnish:/tmp/ogmrip-0.9.0$ find . -name ogmrip-backend.c | 11:30 |
crimsun | ./libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c | 11:30 |
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reclusivemonkey | so back to slack then where it compiles without problem? | 11:31 |
crimsun | hmm? | 11:32 |
crimsun | if you want to use Slackware, go ahead, nothing's stopping you. I'm simply pointing out that the required token is missing. | 11:32 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: I appreciate your help but you're not telling me anything I can use. I was looking to Ubuntu because it was supposedly more user friendly. I have no problems with Slackware but with a baby on the way I was thinking I may need to switch. I am now thinking that was a big mistake | 11:34 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: what's the output from: mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'` ? | 11:35 |
crimsun | sorry, omit the trailing ` | 11:35 |
crimsun | mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%' ? | 11:35 |
reclusivemonkey | MPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team | 11:35 |
crimsun | ok, so you need to export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1 | 11:36 |
crimsun | the fault lies with ogmrip's configure script. | 11:36 |
reclusivemonkey | crimsun: ok, I just tried that. Same result | 11:37 |
crimsun | you're using -DMPLAYER_MAJOR=1 ? | 11:38 |
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reclusivemonkey | i did export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1. should it be something else? | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | it should be 0 | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | it looks like | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | reclusivemonkey: just try changing the MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\ | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | 1%'` | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | line in configure to read: | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | MPLAYER_MAJOR=0 | 11:39 |
crimsun | Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure it's checking to see if 1.0pre is used, no? | 11:39 |
Mithrandir | crimsun: hmm | 11:40 |
crimsun | the configure script isn't able to account for Ubuntu's versioning scheme | 11:40 |
Mithrandir | it gets confused by the epoch, true | 11:40 |
reclusivemonkey | Mithrandir: a line number would save me some squinting ;-) | 11:41 |
Mithrandir | reclusivemonkey: 21299 | 11:41 |
Mithrandir | reclusivemonkey: you might want to add MPLAYER_PRE=7 too. | 11:41 |
Mithrandir | (just add it at the next line) | 11:41 |
reclusivemonkey | OK, OGMRip compile, Scene 1, take 47 ;-) | 11:43 |
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reclusivemonkey | same result Mithrandir; it barfs. I think I corrected configure as you instructed. Will pastebin. | 11:48 |
reclusivemonkey | whoops, can't pastebin, too big. Will stick it on my webbie. | 11:48 |
reclusivemonkey | http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/configure.txt | 11:48 |
Mithrandir | reclusivemonkey: can you put your config.log somewherE? | 11:50 |
reclusivemonkey | LOL if you can tell me where i'd find it Mithrandir | 11:51 |
reclusivemonkey | oh, from ./? gotcha. will do | 11:51 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: the problem is that ogmrip's configure script expects to see 1.0pre[..] precisely and not what Ubuntu uses (2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8, where both the epoch of 2 and the fact that 0.99+ is tacked on before the 1.0pre) | 11:51 |
crimsun | the conditionals in libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c both want to know if you're using 0.X or 1.0preX | 11:52 |
reclusivemonkey | again crimsun, no offence, I am used to ./configure, make and make install "just working". I don't need to worry about any of this in Slack. I'm not a programmer, its all double dutch to me | 11:53 |
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Mithrandir | if so, change the hardcoded MPLAYER_MAJOR to 1 and it might work. | 11:53 |
crimsun | as a hack, just put "#define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1" at the top of libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c | 11:54 |
crimsun | (without the quotes) | 11:54 |
reclusivemonkey | http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/config.log | 11:54 |
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reclusivemonkey | Mithrandir: tried MPLAYER_MAJOR=1, no luck again | 11:56 |
crimsun | you could just change the check to be sed -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%' | 11:57 |
Mithrandir | reclusivemonkey: if you look at config.h, I believe it claims that MPLAYER_PRE is 0? | 11:57 |
reclusivemonkey | Mithrandir: thats right | 11:58 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: just add "2:0.99+" to the sed expression | 12:00 |
Mithrandir | try just munging MPLAYER_PRE to 7 and _MAJOR to 1 there. Or do as crimsun suggests. | 12:00 |
Mithrandir | I need to catch some sleep now | 12:00 |
crimsun | 'night Mithrandir | 12:00 |
reclusivemonkey | Mithrandir: thanks for all your help I will try that | 12:00 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: make line 21299 read: MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'` | 12:01 |
crimsun | reclusivemonkey: then make line 21307 read: MPLAYER_PRE=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+[0-1] \.[0-9] \+pre\([0-9] \+\).*%\1%'` | 12:01 |
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