[12:27] <raphink> malone 1
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:27] <raphink> debian 326833
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 326833 in kdelibs "Subject: kdelibs: KDE pseudoprinters do not work" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/326833
[02:44] <zul> wheee..
[04:38] <Hobbsee> greetings all
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind :)
[04:39] <Kyral> Ah Hobbsee
[04:39] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: xchat-2.6.4 uploaded to REVU today :)
[04:39] <Kyral> I have been wanting to talk with you
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hey Kyral
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: yay!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Kyral: what did you want to talk with me about?
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: It's my first package ever, so if you review it, take it easy on me :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> well, i can, but i probably wouldnt find much
[04:44] <Hawkwind> Ahhh. For some reason I thought ya were
[04:44] <Hawkwind> Again, it's my newness to the Ubuntu world :P
[04:44] <Kyral> Frickin heck
[04:45] <Hobbsee> well...
[04:45] <Kyral> Damn this hot weather
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i'm not, but i started doing packaging in late dapper - only just before that froze, so i havent had that much experience
[04:45] <Kyral> my machine can't stand it
[04:45] <Kyral> I wish
[04:46] <Kyral> I'm about to go Liquid cooling
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Kyral: Where you at in the world ?
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: And where is 'down here' ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: australia
[04:46] <Kyral> Potsdam NY
[04:47] <Kyral> Hobbsee: you use Konversation right?
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Kyral: Hah!  It's much hotter here in Houston, Texas I guarantee ya
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Ohhh, nice
[04:47] <Kyral> Hobbsee: is that an offer to come visit?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Kyral: hah.  and yes, i do
[04:48] <Kyral> Well, I am looking for something to do in the 2 weeks between my job ending and school starting
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[04:48] <Kyral> anywya wanna try some scripts I worked up for Konversation?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Kyral: sure, what are they?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> please tell me they ban by IP
[04:49] <Kyral>  Just some simple things that I was using to play with DCOP
[04:50] <Kyral> one pastes the URL of whatever is currently being viewed in Konqeror into the channel
[04:50] <Kyral> like this
[04:50] <Kyral> Currently viewing in Konqueror: FSF - The Free Software Foundation, URL: https://www.fsf.org/
[04:51] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:51] <Kyral> other just spits out the localtime
[04:51] <Kyral> Local Time is now: Sun Jun 18 22:53:00 EDT 2006
[04:51] <Hobbsee> ah yes, like @time sydney
[04:51] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:52] <Kyral> want them?
[04:52] <Kyral> lol
[04:52] <Kyral> I'll work on it
[04:52] <Hobbsee> good
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Kyral: you know what i'm meaning?
[04:52] <Kyral> yah ban an IP instead of a host
[04:52] <Hobbsee> also a kickban by domain shortcut, seeing as they should be fairly similar
[04:52] <Kyral> I'll have to look at what DCOP functions do that
[04:52] <Kyral> So can I come visit you in Aussieland? :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Kyral: right click on username, kick/ban, [ban/kickban]  *!*@domain
[04:53] <Hobbsee> is the one i want
[04:53] <Hobbsee> heh, you can if you really want.  no guarentee that i'll be there though
[04:53] <Kyral> lol
[04:53] <Kyral> Maybe I can bug ajmitch :P
[04:53] <Kyral> He'd _LOVE_ that :P
[04:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i'm sure he would :P
[04:56] <Hobbsee> he'd hide from you
[04:56] <Kyral> haah
[04:57] <Kyral> Ah well I wanna do something fun in the 2 weeks
[04:57] <Kyral> maybe I'll take a trip down to NYC
[04:58] <Hobbsee> besides, you'd get eaten by snakes and crocodiles in australia
[04:58] <Hobbsee> not really sure why you'd want to come
[04:59] <Kyral> Easy
[04:59] <Kyral> I have never been there before :D
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yes, but you would get eaten
[04:59] <Hobbsee> and dont forget the viscious koalas.
[04:59] <Kyral> Moh....you must think me un agile
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Kyral: why arent you in paris?
[05:00] <Kyral> Work
[05:00] <Kyral> and not enough cash :P
[05:00] <Kyral> I may go to OLS near the end of Joly
[05:00] <Kyral> July even
[05:00] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:00] <Hobbsee> heh.  cash is always a problem
[05:00] <Kyral> Ottawa is a LOT closer than Paris :P
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:01] <Hobbsee> well yeah, but both are still stacks closer than here
[05:02] <Kyral> But take pictures okay?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> of what?  of aus?
[05:03] <Kyral> Hmm, maybe I should ask Russ Neslon if he wants to go to OLS...
[05:03] <Kyral> Nelson even
[05:03] <Kyral> no of Paris
[05:17] <Kyral> Gah!
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:18] <Hobbsee> right.  stay!
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i thought i told you to stay!
[05:52] <Kyral> yesh?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> silly people, entering and leaving the chat all the time...
[05:55] <Kyral> Its the heat
[05:55] <Kyral> its not liking my machine
[05:56] <crimsun> box it [the heat]  up and ship it to Hobbsee.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hehe thankyou :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:03] <imbrandon> it was my "fathers day" gift from my 2 year old son ;)
[06:03] <imbrandon> heheh
[06:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:37] <ajmitch> afternoon
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch!
[06:37] <Hawkwind> Hey there ajmitch
[06:37] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[06:46] <ajmitch> excellent, got hold of the person in melbourne...
[06:46] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Congrats on the ipod, and happy fathers day as well :)
[06:47] <imbrandon> thanks Hawkwind
[06:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: they're telling you not to come?  :P
[06:47] <ajmitch> hehe no
[06:47] <Hobbsee> oh.  pity :P
[06:47] <imbrandon> lol
[06:47] <ajmitch> you don't want me to come to .au?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> no!
[06:48] <ajmitch> he wouldn't visit
[06:49] <Hobbsee> he was talking about wanting to come to AU before - didnt you see it?
[06:49] <ajmitch> I saw
[06:49] <Hobbsee> just to come and annoy you :P
[06:49] <ajmitch> but you don't know where I'll be
[06:49] <ajmitch> just what city
[06:49] <Hobbsee> canberra's not that big.
[06:49] <ajmitch> I'm sure it'd be easy enough to spot an american tourist like Kyral :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:50] <crimsun> you underestimate ajmitch's hiding-fu
[06:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you underestimate how small canberra is
[06:50] <Hobbsee> well, it's big enough, but there's not much there.
[06:51] <ajmitch> I'm sure if I stayed longer in canberra I'd just end up babysitting my niece
[06:51] <Hobbsee> true
[06:51] <Hobbsee> and then you might be tempted to take her home with you
[06:51] <ajmitch> nah
[06:52] <Hobbsee> no?  okay then :P
[06:52] <ajmitch> I'll let my sister have her when she's unhappy :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hehe!  yes, that sounds highly sensible.
[06:54] <ajmitch> back later
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: enjoy
[06:58] <The> argh!
[07:13] <ajmitch> crazy..
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch:  :D
[07:15] <ajmitch> I'm glad not all australians are like that
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[07:16] <crimsun> aw, chem isn't too bad
[07:16] <ajmitch> don't let laserjock hear you say that
[07:16] <Hobbsee> this lot is. ick.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> besides, he should be asleep anyway
[07:17] <ajmitch> he should be waking up around now
[07:17] <crimsun> shouldn't he be waking...
[07:17] <crimsun> yeah
[07:17] <Hobbsee> maybe, depends how late those devs wake up :P
[07:17] <crimsun> can't miss breakfast!
[07:17] <ajmitch> 9AM start
[07:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...breakfast...
[07:18] <ajmitch> you think they have a chance to be lazy this week?
[07:18] <ajmitch> you have no idea how busy they're kept...
[07:18] <Hobbsee> true
[07:44] <raphink-sleep> :)
[07:45] <ajmitch> raphink-sleep doesn't look to be sleeping
[07:45] <raphink-sleep> not anymore indeed :)
[07:45] <raphink-sleep> going to work in 45 minutes
[07:45] <raphink-sleep> )
[07:45] <raphink-sleep> :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> heh
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> where I'll be reading thrilling cfengine doc
[07:46] <ajmitch> ooh
[07:46] <ajmitch> *exciting*
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> :)
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> yeah
[07:46] <ajmitch> got plenty of caffeine?
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> I don't drink coffee
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> I drink tea instead
[07:46] <raphink-sleep> and I'm bringing my kubuntu cup there :)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> and then you'll fall asleep again, so the nick will be correct
[07:47] <raphink-sleep> with a box of tea bags
[07:47] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:47] <raphink-sleep> Hobbsee: no way I fall asleep in my office I believe
[07:47] <raphink-sleep> esp. with this colleague of mine that will be coming to ask questions about dapper again ;)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:47] <raphink-sleep> keeps me awake :)
[07:48] <raphink-sleep> I should order new CDs
[07:48] <raphink-sleep> I only have the maximum I could have on shipit, i.e. 8 i386 and 2 amd64
[07:48] <raphink-sleep> so I'm gonna run out of them in a very short time
[07:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, then why would you need dapper ones?   seems a bit strange
[07:49] <ajmitch> with the stuff we're putting in edgy, who'll want to run that?
[07:50] <raphink-sleep> haha yes
[07:50] <raphink-sleep> people who don't measure how unstable it will be
[07:50] <raphink-sleep> which is most people
[07:50] <raphink-sleep> just being excited by the fact that it's new and shiny
[07:51] <Hobbsee> good point
[07:51] <raphink-sleep> by that time we'll need a bot that will automaticallly answer any sentence of the kind "edgy crashed my system"
[07:51] <raphink-sleep> on IRC
[07:52] <crimsun> see the number of people still complaining about udev not installing, for instance...
[07:52] <raphink-sleep> yes
[07:52] <raphink-sleep> well people are responsible for their choices
[07:53] <raphink-sleep> they should just be told that edgy is not to be as stable as dapper
[07:54] <ajmitch> they still won't listen
[07:54] <raphink-sleep> ajmitch: I know, but at least they'll have been warned
[07:54] <crimsun> Ben totally needs to "misplace" vmlinuz. Maybe that'll learn 'em.
[07:54] <ajmitch> heh
[07:54] <raphink-sleep> haha
[07:54] <ajmitch> you could do a kernel upload as well, crimsun
[07:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:54] <ajmitch> yo uknow you want to...
[07:55] <crimsun> ajmitch: I kinda value my life atm...
[07:55] <Hobbsee> and then have elmo on your tail, yeah...fun
[07:55] <ajmitch> it can't make edgy that much more broken
[07:55] <ajmitch> most of the world fails to build at the moment
[07:55] <raphink-sleep> yes
[07:55] <raphink-sleep> mostly because of intltool-debian
[07:55] <raphink-sleep> that prevents debhelper from installing
[07:56] <ajmitch> which needs manual work by infinity
[07:56] <raphink-sleep> doesn't help, for sure
[07:56] <ajmitch> since it needs debhelper to build
[07:56] <raphink-sleep> well it _could_ be worse
[07:56] <raphink-sleep> if it was debuild that was broken maybe
[07:56] <ajmitch> nah
[07:57] <raphink-sleep> or gcc
[07:57] <ajmitch> debuild never gets used by the buildds
[07:57] <ajmitch> gcc breaking would be a little worse
[07:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:57] <raphink-sleep> but indeed broken debhelper is not the best situation
[07:57] <raphink-sleep> ;)
[08:55] <TheMuso> Hey MOTus.
[08:55] <LaserJock_> hi TheMuso
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso and LaserJock
[08:55] <LaserJock_> TheMuso: I think I'm at the table to your right
[09:01] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[09:06] <crimsun> ah, you lucky guys/gals you
[09:06] <crimsun> I'll be on planes most of this week :/
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun
[09:06] <ajmitch> poor crimsun
[09:06] <crimsun> hi Hobbsee
[09:07] <crimsun> & ajmitch
[09:07] <LaserJock_> hi crimsun, my mic works!!
[09:08] <jsgotangco> its a bit hot here
[09:08] <TheMuso> Its nice in here however.
[09:08] <LaserJock_> I thought it was a bit chilly at the moment
[09:10] <LaserJock_> we are currently doing a 1 min. presentation of *each* spec
[09:10] <crimsun> LaserJock_: excellent!
[09:10] <LaserJock_> https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs starting from the top
[09:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock_: yes, I can hear about 1 second or so at times
[09:11] <ajmitch> that's nice, but it doesn't say what the schedule is :)
[09:11] <ajmitch> nor do we get the audio :)
[09:11] <LaserJock_> we don't have a schedule
[09:11] <LaserJock_> I don't think
[09:11] <LaserJock_> it will be created in a bit via LP et al
[09:12] <ajmitch> using 'et al'
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[09:12] <LaserJock_> oh yeah
[09:12] <ajmitch> :)
[09:12] <ajmitch> 'et al' only refers to people, afaik :)
[09:13] <LaserJock_> a priori, in silico ;-)
[09:15] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[09:15] <Tonio_> hi all
[09:16] <imbrandon> hrm cant hear much on TS
[09:16] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_ Hobbsee
[09:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: most people arent talking :P
[09:16] <imbrandon> and ajmitch LaserJock
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir's just got the volume thing activatd, instead of PTT
[09:17] <imbrandon> yea but it would be nice to hear whom ever is presenting
[09:17] <ajmitch> it would be
[09:17] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: uh, no.  I've muted my mic now.
[09:17] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: it's your one that lights up
[09:17] <Hobbsee> who's tfheen?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> tha'ts you isnt it Mithrandir?
[09:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, can you get close to the presenters and "rebroadcast" hehe
[09:18] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: it is, but I've blooded muted my mic so that's quite impressive.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> *now* it's muted
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:18] <ajmitch> I'd blame vmware :)
[09:19] <Mithrandir> quite impressive.  It still picks up stuff when I've unplugged the mic.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> wow!
[09:19] <ajmitch> yeah, laptops tend to do that
[09:19] <Mithrandir> (and no, my laptop doesn't have a built-in mic ttbomk)
[09:19] <ajmitch> mine does - just a little hole in the case
[09:19] <Hobbsee> my mic's not connected, although i could...
[09:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: they're all around the room
[09:21] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:21] <TheMuso> tis not quite practicle to mike up everyone.
[09:21] <imbrandon> ;(
[09:23] <Hobbsee> that'd be the *easiest* way to do such a thing - but woultn let others talk in, i guess
[09:24] <TheMuso> hehe
[09:25] <Hobbsee> depends on how big the room is too...hmmm...
[09:27] <LaserJock_> hi imbrandon
[09:28] <LaserJock_> it's kinda spread out
[09:29] <Hobbsee> it'd depend on how good the condenser mic was then - and on where it was put
[09:29] <Hobbsee> and if some idiot went and knocked it, of course :P
[09:29] <LaserJock_> right now you would basically do as good reading the specs
[09:29] <Mithrandir> we could just use a very directional mic
[09:30] <imbrandon> *tap*  *tap* *tap* ..... is this thing on ..... lol
[09:30] <Hobbsee> gah....i wish people wouldnt do that.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:31] <imbrandon> hrm guess i'm going back to my ipod hacking till something interesting starts hapening
[09:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's usually why you stick such mics on a roof/wall - so people *dont* do that.  :P
[09:31] <imbrandon> lol
[09:32] <ajmitch> why bother?
[09:32] <imbrandon> yea the bounty for this is gonna be nice, should include video broadcasting too
[09:33] <ajmitch> as long as the bandwidth isn't like UDU...
[09:33] <jsgotangco> its pretty good actually
[09:34] <Mithrandir> we have an 8Mbit ADSL, I think.  And hopefully, we'll get another one.
[09:35] <ajmitch> great
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nice
[09:46] <LaserJock_> raphink: you around?
[09:46] <raphink> yep just came back
[09:47] <LaserJock_> from Paris?
[09:47] <raphink> ah no
[09:47] <raphink> from Sophia
[09:47] <LaserJock_> k
[09:48] <raphink> couldn't make it
[09:48] <raphink> so i'm at work
[09:48] <raphink> but I'll be there ;)
[09:48] <raphink> I mean online
[09:49] <LaserJock_> sweet
[09:49] <ajmitch> morning \sh_away :)
[09:49] <LaserJock_> raphink: I'm enjoying France so far :-)
[09:50] <raphink> LaserJock: how is paris?
[09:52] <LaserJock_> raphink: the conf or the city?
[09:52] <LaserJock_> the conf is great
[09:52] <raphink> the city ;)
[09:52] <LaserJock_> but I haven't been to the city yet
[09:52] <raphink> ok
[09:52] <LaserJock_> 16 euros, shesh
[09:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:52] <jsgotangco> 2 for a bottle of water
[09:52] <LaserJock_> yeah
[09:52] <raphink> 16 ?
[09:52] <raphink> for what?
[09:52] <jsgotangco> no wonder the public fountains have long lines?
[09:53] <LaserJock_> raphink: to go to Paris
[09:53] <jsgotangco> raphink: day long train ticket
[09:53] <raphink> jsgotangco: you're not going to the right places ;)
[09:53] <raphink> jsgotangco: ah right
[09:53] <jsgotangco> brb
[09:53] <raphink> you might not need to get a day long ticket
[09:53] <raphink> if it's only to go there and back
[09:53] <raphink> you can travel on foot inside paris
[09:55] <LaserJock_> yeah
[09:56] <raphink> I wish I could be your guide there ;)
[09:56] <raphink> although I don't complain being here either ;)
[09:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:57] <LaserJock> raphink: my only complaint is the hotel seems to be in the middle of nowhere
[09:57] <LaserJock> raphink: so there are no shops
[09:57] <raphink> well... airport
[09:57] <LaserJock> close
[09:58] <ajmitch> sudden burst of sound..
[10:00] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Thats how I feel as well.
[10:00] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Break atm.
[10:01] <KillerKiwi2006> any body what nick Alexander Schier goes as?
[10:08] <crimsun> TS is a lot like Token Ring. =)
[10:43] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:53] <pschulz01> Does anyone have a good example of a multi-binary-package package that would begood to look at?
[10:54] <pschulz01> I'm looking through 'dhcp' but I was wondering if there was anything else?
[10:55] <pschulz01> I'm having trouble finding documentation on how multi packages hang together.
[10:56] <kelmo> like, one source package, many binary packages sort of thing?
[10:56] <pschulz01> kelmo: yes..
[10:57] <pschulz01> eg. dhcp has 'dhcp-client' ,'dhcp' and 'dhcp-relay' but only one 'debian/rules' files.
[10:57] <kelmo> yes, that is true for just about every package
[10:58] <kelmo> the best way is to make good use of debhelper helper files, and have debian/rules simply call the debhelper script that you use
[10:58] <pschulz01> There are also dhcp.install and 'dhcp-client.install' files in 'debain' which contains a list of files...
[10:58] <kelmo> exactly
[10:58] <kelmo> package.install package.dirs package.init etc etc
[10:59] <ajmitch> and debian/control lists the binary packages that get created
[10:59] <kelmo> yup
[11:00] <siretart> hi kelmo, hi ajmitch
[11:00] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[11:00] <siretart> ajmitch: xine-devel answered that xine-lib and ffmpeg use internally some textrelocs
[11:00] <kelmo> hi siretart
[11:01] <siretart> gentoo has some patches to remove them from xine-lib (provided by the pax guys), which he wants to test and include them for xine 1.1.3
[11:01] <siretart> for ffmpeg it's rather unclear
[11:01] <kelmo> that Diego from gentoo is always blogging about (and apperently hacking on) xine ;-)
[11:01] <pschulz01> So.. let me get this straight... the debian/rules file should get all the binaries/libraries etc to be built, and then dh_buildpackage will separate them all aut according to the <package-name>.install file?
[11:02] <kelmo> pschulz01: well, package.install is just one helper, but yes, that is the basic idea
[11:02] <pschulz01> sorry.. that should be dh_builddeb
[11:04] <pschulz01> Is it the '*.install' files that determine what goes in each binary package? cause when building a single binary package I've never noticed or needed it.
[11:04] <siretart> which is cool that he is working on xine
[11:04] <siretart> pschulz01: have a look at dh_install(1)
[11:04] <kelmo> indeed
[11:05] <kelmo> siretart: in package related news, Jouni just applied some small/trivial patches from me to wpa_supplicant devel branch ;-)
[11:05] <siretart> \sh: new cmake entered unstable just today (currently in incoming)
[11:05] <siretart> kelmo: cool :)
[11:05] <pschulz01> siretart: dh_install is not what I'm after then..
[11:06] <pschulz01> How do you tell multi binary packages what goes into what?
[11:06] <pschulz01> (package)
[11:06] <crimsun> via foo.install, which is related to dh_install(1)
[11:07] <kelmo> and foo.dirs, foo.docs, foo,examples . . . <foo.helper>
[11:07] <ajmitch> dh_install{dirs,docs,examples} respectively
[11:08] <siretart> pschulz01: reread 2nd paragraph
[11:09] <crimsun> they must be off doing something supersekrit
[11:10] <ajmitch> obviously
[11:10] <ajmitch> sabdfl is probably unveiling the master plan for world domination
[11:10] <ajmitch> or something like that
[11:15] <crimsun> 8:30 AM meeting, have to sleep  *zonk*
[11:17] <ajmitch> night crimsun
[11:31] <AnAnt> are the edgy repos open yet ?
[11:31] <AnAnt> it is called edgy , right ?
[11:33] <LaserJock> AnAnt: yes
[11:33] <LaserJock> and yes
[11:33] <AnAnt> ok, I am using dapper
[11:34] <AnAnt> and yesterday I found 94 updates
[11:34] <LaserJock> from -security and -update
[11:35] <AnAnt> gnome 2.14.2 & linux kernel 2.6.15-25.43
[11:35] <AnAnt> actually I am not sure where they are from
[11:35] <ajmitch> yes
[11:35] <ajmitch> -security & -updates :)
[11:36] <AnAnt> I enabled security,update & dapper-backports
[11:36] <AnAnt> ic
[11:36] <AnAnt> the kernel didn't boot though
[11:36] <AnAnt> giving me some error
[11:36] <AnAnt> about /dev/{dunno what}/dunno what too
[11:36] <ajmitch> & you've filed a bug with those details?
[11:36] <AnAnt> nope
[11:36] <AnAnt> I want to retry first
[11:36] <AnAnt> I just came to ask wether those were backports or not
[11:37] <AnAnt> ok, so, does the new kernel support MMCv4 cards ?
[11:38] <ajmitch> I doubt anything new was added in the update
[11:38] <TheMuso> Anybody here from the conference having trouble accessing their smtp servers/
[11:38] <AnAnt> ic
[11:38] <jsgotangco> webmail rocks
[11:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:38] <TheMuso> Webmail sucks.
[11:38] <TheMuso> :)
[11:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:39] <AnAnt> ok, I uploaded some packages to the REVU, how do I know if they are going to enter Edgy or not ?
[11:39] <AnAnt> ajmitch: btw, how/where to file a bug?
[11:40] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[11:40] <AnAnt> k, thx
[11:40] <LaserJock> AnAnt: if they are approved by 2 MOTUs they can be uploaded to Universe
[12:01] <azeem> are they broadcast?
[12:01] <ajmitch> teamspeak only
[12:01] <azeem> ah
[12:02] <ajmitch> & gobby sessions
[12:02] <ajmitch> however I'm 10 hours ahead of paris time :)
[12:03] <azeem> yeah, you should be *on* Paris time!
[12:04] <azeem> well, they probably have insane business hours during their conference, so being some hours off might be an advantage to some...
[12:04] <azeem> though 10 hours seems excessive
[12:04] <ajmitch> being in NZ has its disadvantages
[12:12] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:13] <lukketto> Hi
[12:25] <ajmitch> zul!
[12:25] <tseng> there is only zul.
[12:25] <zul> hey ajmitch
[12:26] <zul> and tseng
[12:26] <zul> this voip thing is actually kind of cool
[12:26] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:26] <ajmitch> and gobby
[12:26] <zul> i could hear fabbione's voice for a minute..
[12:26] <ajmitch> heh
[12:26] <ajmitch> scared yet?
[12:27] <zul> oh i been scared before
[12:27] <zul> brb
[12:29] <ajmitch> watching people type up a spec is interesting
[12:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heh, it's kinda interesting on this end too
[12:31] <tseng> woo!
[12:31] <tseng> looks like debconf may be fixed
[12:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a bit more so, I'd say
[12:32] <ajmitch> great
[12:32] <ajmitch> the buildds are thrashing around again?
[12:32] <tseng> dunno
[12:32] <tseng> just peeked in my chroot
[12:32] <ajmitch> looks like they're all idle
[12:32] <tseng> cli-common built
[12:32] <tseng> 0.4.2
[12:32] <ajmitch> welcome back, zul
[12:33] <ajmitch> hm, great
[12:33] <tseng> good enough for me
[12:33] <zul> ajmitch: thkx
[12:33] <ajmitch> tseng: it built locally, not in edgy?
[12:33] <tseng> no?
[12:33] <tseng> you know what
[12:34] <tseng> i did showsrc
[12:34] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cli-common/0.4.2
[12:34] <ajmitch> ah
[12:34] <tseng> dummy
[12:34] <tseng> <
[12:34] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I need to listen to one BOF will talking in another ;-)
[12:36] <tseng> is there a url for all the fun?
[12:36] <Lathiat> i just discovered a copy of the free software song in my music folder
[12:36] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate
[12:36] <tseng> thanks
[12:37] <zul> what time is it in paris btw?
[12:37] <tseng> about 1pm
[12:37] <siretart> 12:37
[12:37] <ajmitch> 12:37
[12:38] <ajmitch> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/
[12:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm getting hungry
[12:39] <tseng> no-more-source-pacakges?
[12:39] <tseng> oh
[12:40] <tseng> Topic: should we abandon source packages entirely in favour of working in bzr
[12:40] <ajmitch> tseng: everything-in-bzr
[12:40] <tseng> including hct, i hope
[12:40] <siretart> better: create source packages by buildds
[12:40] <ajmitch> keybuk considers hct to be deprecated
[12:40] <tseng> in favor of?
[12:41] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, people will still want source packages done the traditional way
[12:41] <ajmitch> but we'd avoid uploading them
[12:41] <tseng> siretart: dch; bzr ci -m "My Commit"; launchpad-magic-branch-action;
[12:42] <tseng> maybe just sftp to a magic place
[12:42] <ajmitch> siretart: how many branches have you pushed now?
[12:42] <ajmitch> tseng: it's all tied to the personal package archive magic
[12:42] <ajmitch> where a branch is blessed as 'put this in the distro'
[12:42] <siretart> ajmitch: you could import sourcepackages as 'foreign' vcs commit
[12:43] <siretart> ajmitch: dunno, I have some more in private use, and I wonder if I should leave them on tauware or push them to the supermirror
[12:43] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy"
[12:43] <Mithrandir> possibly with a tag too.
[12:43] <ajmitch> I've had some here in private use for quite awhile
[12:43] <ajmitch> that would be interesting
[12:43] <siretart> ajmitch: currently, i have a shared repo on tauware.de, this saves bandwith when I push a new branch
[12:43] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, something launchpad really lacks at the moment
[12:43] <Mithrandir> or sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/casper/1.60
[12:43] <ajmitch> it hurts when you've changed only a couple of files in a branch
[12:44] <siretart> which is a common use case
[12:44] <siretart> at least for me
[12:44] <ajmitch> yes
[12:44] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: some of us have more bandwidth than others. :-P
[12:44] <ajmitch> I have a number of branches which were patches
[12:44] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: even so, bzr latency hurts :)
[12:44] <Mithrandir> bzr latency inside the DC is quite acceptable, IMO.
[12:44] <Mithrandir> ;-)
[12:44] <ajmitch> it was pushing at about ~5K/sec
[12:44] <ajmitch> :P
[12:48] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: how's the hotel for this one?
[12:49] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it's a hotel.  It has a swimming pool, I have a bed and they serve food.  There's a limit to how exciting hotels get after a while.
[12:49] <Mithrandir> it's decent enough, I'm just bored of hotels.
[12:49] <ajmitch> :)
[12:49] <tseng> We have Personal Package Archives in the pipeline  those will allow people to have their own small apt-get/synaptic compatible archives served by, and built by, Launchpad.
[12:49] <tseng> that is cool
[12:49] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:49] <ajmitch> it's been in planning for quite awhile
[12:50] <siretart> I hope the 'closing bugs via changelog' spec didn't get dropped of the pipeline
[12:50] <tseng> i hope you need to be in the keyring for that
[12:50] <ajmitch> no, I think they're truly personal archives
[12:50] <ajmitch> so people will upload to launchpad, not REVU
[12:50] <tseng> lower buildd priority, then
[12:51] <ajmitch> certainly
[12:51] <tseng> sucks enough to be in the middle of a multi package juggling act fighting against the buildd
[12:51] <ajmitch> but I don't think builds can be preempted
[12:51] <ajmitch> so if the queue is empty, and someone uploads a multi-hour build to their PPA, it'll block at the moment
[12:51] <tseng> yes
[12:52] <ajmitch> joy, private launchpad wiki, we won't see the spec later
[12:52] <tseng> yeah last time i complained about that the answer was "yeah we are going to open that no problem"
[12:53] <tseng> actually what happened was they horked the vhost so things went to the lp wiki
[12:53] <ajmitch> kinnison was just apologising for it
[12:59] <ajmitch> must be lunchtime there now
[01:03] <Mithrandir> luuuuuuuunch.
[01:33] <zul> hey
[01:34] <ajmitch> hello
[01:40] <phanatic> afternoon everyone
[01:40] <ajmitch> hi phanatic
[01:40] <phanatic> hey ajmitch
[01:54] <ivoks> uploads for ubuntu-security goes trough pitti, right?
[01:55] <ajmitch> yep
[01:55] <ajmitch> there's a mailing list..
[01:55] <ivoks> i know :)
[01:55] <ajmitch> ok :)
[01:55] <ivoks> we have mailing lists for everything :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> security-revies@lists.u.c
[01:56] <ivoks> yup
[01:57] <ajmitch> almost..
[01:57] <ajmitch> review, not revies
[01:57] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: good lunch?
[01:57] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[01:58] <jsgotangco> you're supposed to be sleeping right?
[01:58] <ajmitch> it's only midnight
[01:58] <ajmitch> I want to sit in on the next BOF about source packages
[01:58] <jsgotangco> ahh yes
[01:58] <ivoks> $SU -l postgres -c "$PGENGINE/initdb --pgdata=$PGDATA" >> $PGLOG 2>&1 < /dev/null
[01:58] <ivoks> oh, made by redhat :/
[01:59] <ajmitch> there's also the easier-motuing BOF after that
[01:59] <ajmitch> but I don't know if I can stay awake that long
[02:00] <imbrandon_> rec it ajmitch
[02:00] <imbrandon_> ts can rec
[02:00] <ajmitch> nah
[02:00] <ajmitch> it's something I'd want to discuss, not just record
[02:00] <imbrandon_> right
[02:00] <siretart> can someone please save a recording of that bof anyway please?
[02:01] <siretart> I don't have ts here right now
[02:01] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, someone will :)
[02:01] <ajmitch> I think the aim is to record them all
[02:03] <whiprush_> I tried to use teamspeak for about 30 seconds.
[02:03] <whiprush_> then right to the recycle bin.
[02:03] <ajmitch> heh
[02:03] <ajmitch> it's great software, isn't it?
[02:04] <whiprush_> easymotuing sounds fun
[02:04] <ajmitch> "how do we make the MOTU community suck less?"
[02:04] <ajmitch> since we do suck at times at getting new people in
[02:06] <zul> we suck?
[02:06] <ajmitch> yes, we all suck
[02:06] <imbrandon_> hehe
[02:06] <imbrandon_> arg whats the ts ady again
[02:06] <imbrandon_> i just cleard the field
[02:06] <ajmitch> teamspeak.uds.canonical.com
[02:07] <imbrandon_> thx
[02:07] <tseng> hi jsgotangco
[02:07] <ajmitch> the headphones on this are painful
[02:07] <jsgotangco> bonjour!
[02:09] <ajmitch> 'playing along from home' indeed... :)
[02:21] <imbrandon_> ajmitch can you understand lifeless ?
[02:21] <ajmitch> no
[02:21] <imbrandon_> kk making sure it wasent just me
[02:21] <ajmitch> lifeless: you need to use push-to-speak on teamspeak
[02:24] <lifeless> ajmitch: I know
[02:26] <imbrandon_> yes msw
[02:35] <imbrandon_> VERY MUCH
[02:35] <imbrandon_> ajmitch can you communicate that i feel that would be VERY helpfulle, i dont have a working mic
[02:35] <imbrandon_> atm
[02:36] <imbrandon_> barely ;)
[02:36] <ajmitch> hm
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[02:38] <ajmitch> dholbach!!
[02:38] <imbrandon_> yea i mainly think its a case of people not knowing about bzr
[02:38] <dholbach> heya
[02:38] <ajmitch> and bzr lacking in some areas
[02:38] <imbrandon_> but once it past that it can be very helpfull
[02:38] <ajmitch> like the submit-by-email feature being done as SoC project
[02:38] <imbrandon_> ajmitch true
[02:39] <ajmitch> or having to push the *whole* branch to launchpad :)
[02:40] <imbrandon_> as long as the build system makes the old way transparent it could be pulled off
[02:42] <imbrandon_> exactly transparency is they key
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ah, sounds much better on the headphones.
[02:44] <ianm> hi guys.  I'm interested in getting some projects into ubuntu.  specifically the Screen Ruler, Font Sampler, and Chess Clock (screenshots: http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/ )
[02:48] <imbrandon_> lifeless: can you use push to talk please
[03:00] <lifeless> imbrandon_: I do
[03:00] <imbrandon_> hmm ok
[03:00] <Hobbsee> lifeless: we're missing most of what you're saying...
[03:00] <ajmitch> lifeless: it's been unintelligible when you were speaking
[03:00] <ajmitch> cutting out most of the tie
[03:00] <imbrandon_> yea
[03:00] <ajmitch> s/tie/time/
[03:00] <imbrandon_> everyone else seems clear though
[03:00] <imbrandon_> or atleaste clear enough to understand
[03:01] <lifeless> well, I'm using push to talk, and my mic gain is at max.
[03:01] <lifeless> turn your volume up :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> my ears would bleed then - everyone else is loud :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lifeless: and get blasted by everyone else :P
[03:02] <lifeless> easier for them to turn gain down :)
[03:02] <imbrandon_> its not realy the loudness, its the cutting in and out
[03:03] <imbrandon_> we hear like every other word
[03:03] <lifeless> no idea whats causing that
[03:03] <lifeless> any suggestions rather than second guessing, would be appreciated
[03:03] <imbrandon_> right right, no idea atm, thought it was push to talk
[03:05] <ajmitch> alright, time for dholbach to shine..
[03:06] <ajmitch> heh
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:06] <ajmitch> dholbach! don't leave us!
[03:06] <Hobbsee> wb dholbach
[03:06] <_ion> lifeless: amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' unmute
[03:07] <lifeless> amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boot (+20dB)',0
[03:07] <lifeless> muhha
[03:07] <Hobbsee> alsamixer?
[03:07] <lifeless> mixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boost (+20dB)',0
[03:07] <_ion> Mic
[03:07] <lifeless> oh feh
[03:08] <lifeless> we'll see if that helps - thanks
[03:13] <ajmitch> dholbach: do we have a BOF?
[03:13] <dholbach> easiuer-motuing
[03:13] <dholbach> port 9003
[03:13] <ajmitch> yes, but are you on teamspeak?
[03:14] <dholbach> oh no, none of us is
[03:14] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:14] <ajmitch> oh well
[03:15] <jsgotangco> TS isn't becoming too popular even
[03:15] <ajmitch> it's sort of the only way some of us can be involved
[03:15] <ajmitch> since most people aren't inclined to discuss on irc as well
[03:16] <jsgotangco> the Tab Consistency BOF is pretty active in TS
[03:16] <ajmitch> yeah I see that
[03:20] <ajmitch> dholbach: some summary of what's going on would be nice
[03:20] <dbernar1> hi. If I get this error, and want to change the source for the package so it does not perform that particular check, which file can I edit? The error is shown in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15295. In the changelog file of the source for the package, I can see when the maintainer created the check I want to remove.
[03:20] <dholbach> ajmitch: we're writing the spec atm
[03:20] <dholbach> the gobby session is open
[03:22] <dbernar1> I think I found it in the packages file.
[03:25] <dbernar1> I made the change. Just added some #s. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15984 is what it looks like now. How do I make a .deb out of it? Should I just read the new debian maintainer's guide?
[03:25] <siretart> is the gobby server supposed to work from the outside? I get only timeouts
[03:26] <ajmitch> yes, it does work
[03:26] <ajmitch> though I don't see anything happening to the spec
[03:26] <ajmitch> siretart: port 9003?
[03:26] <siretart> oh. interesting. I'll try
[03:27] <dbernar1> Can I package a .deb without a gpg key?
[03:27] <zul> whats the addy for gobby again?
[03:27] <dbernar1> Just for myself.
[03:27] <ajmitch> dbernar1: yes
[03:27] <Hobbsee> zul: it's in repos, it seems
[03:27] <ajmitch> zul: gobby.uds.ubuntu.com
[03:27] <dbernar1> OK. brb.
[03:28] <hub> so you guys are in Paris?
[03:28] <ajmitch> nope
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nope
[03:28] <sorenh> yeah
[03:28] <zul> nope..
[03:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:28] <imbrandon> nope
[03:28] <siretart> ajmitch: thanks. this was it.
[03:29] <ajmitch> preferable is the right spelling :P
[03:31] <Hobbsee> oh i dont know
[03:31] <Hobbsee> who mentioned preferable though?
[03:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: in gobby
[03:32] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:32] <imbrandon> hrm gobby isnt connecting
[03:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: port 9003
[03:32] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:45] <dbernar1> OK, that worked, thanks.
[03:57] <ajmitch> well, that was an abrupt ending
[03:57] <imbrandon> heh
[03:58] <imbrandon> tab consist over ?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> oh, ajmitch:  i thougth about it, and decided it wasnt a good idea.
[03:58] <ajmitch> almost
[03:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:59] <ajmitch> siretart: we'll need to save the document after this :)
[03:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch is motueasy next ?
[04:00] <siretart> ajmitch: you should save it regularily, because gobby used to crash a lot
[04:00] <siretart> I wonder why it didn't crash yet..
[04:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's just finished
[04:00] <imbrandon> umm i mean in paris
[04:01] <ajmitch> the next scheduled session for it is drafting
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:01] <ajmitch> however the spec session was mostly drafting
[04:01] <ajmitch> siretart: this is a newer version :)
[04:01] <ajmitch> one that doesn't kill the document for everyone when someone's gobby crashes
[04:02] <siretart> ajmitch: still without undo
[04:02] <ajmitch> of course
[04:02] <ajmitch> that's why you save your doc into a bzr branch :)
[04:03] <siretart> and have a cronjob autocomitting it every 2 minutes?
[04:03] <siretart> :P
[04:03] <ajmitch> bzr is cheap, far less setup than cvs or svn
[04:03] <whiprush_> I keep all my work documents in bzr.
[04:03] <whiprush_> it's sweet.
[04:06] <siretart> bzr autocommit --interval=2min ~/documents
[04:06] <siretart> bzr autocommit --stop ~/documents
[04:06] <siretart> ;)
[04:07] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:08] <ajmitch> that'd be an easy plugin to write..
[04:08] <siretart> ajmitch: gogogo! :)
[04:08] <ajmitch> :)
[04:08] <ajmitch> don't tempt me
[04:08] <ajmitch> I've got enough to procrastinate with
[04:08] <Hobbsee> go on ajmitch :P
[04:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:09] <ajmitch> siretart: set it running in your session when you login? :)
[04:10] <imbrandon> would be nice
[04:10] <imbrandon> heh
[04:10] <siretart> I'd rather like to have it started manually, and stop automatically as soon as I close the shell
[04:10] <tseng> is slomo in paris?
[04:10] <ajmitch> yes
[04:10] <ajmitch> he is
[04:10] <tseng> cool
[04:10] <siretart> the use case: I setup an 'autocommit' branch, and after I finish my work, I merge that in some other branch
[04:11] <ajmitch> siretart: should be possible, I think
[04:11] <ajmitch> I wonder if the release schedule BOF is going on now
[04:11] <siretart> I wonder what the result of the nomoresourcepackages spec was
[04:11] <ajmitch> result?
[04:11] <siretart> s/spec/bof session/
[04:11] <siretart> well, they did discuss it, no?
[04:11] <ajmitch> there was no result, just some blue-sky discussion
[04:12] <ajmitch> keybuk came up with a grand plan to use bzr like quilt
[04:12] <ajmitch> obsoleting the method on the wiki
[04:12] <ajmitch> managing patches with ease
[04:12] <siretart> hm
[04:12] <tseng> using bzr like quilt w/o hct sounds like a pita to me
[04:12] <siretart> it is marked 'essential'
[04:12] <siretart> is this really targeted for edgy?
[04:12] <tseng> have you seen how manoj does it
[04:12] <ajmitch> he says it'd only take an hour or two to code up
[04:12] <ajmitch> tseng: somewhat
[04:13] <tseng> pain
[04:13] <tseng> dholbach: !!!
[04:13] <ajmitch> siretart: not really, sabdfl wanted it talked about though
[04:13] <ajmitch> welcome back, dholbach
[04:13] <siretart> i see
[04:13] <dholbach> re
[04:13] <ajmitch> it's quite possible to do for edgy though
[04:13] <dholbach> :)
[04:13] <ajmitch> at least some parts of it
[04:13] <ajmitch> we wrote up more of the MOTU doc..
[04:14] <ajmitch> (a few extra lines is all)
[04:14] <tseng> Mez: a question
[04:14] <ajmitch> siretart: I've got most of it recorded
[04:15] <tseng> Mez: when you uploaded a broken ifolder did you mean for it to go to revu or dapper?
[04:17] <siretart> ajmitch: cool. is it accessible somewhere?
[04:17] <ajmitch> siretart: not yet, it's a large .wav file
[04:18] <siretart> ah, i see
[04:19] <ajmitch> I can just make out kamion's accent
[04:21] <Mez> tseng: I really cant remember - I uploaded it in like - february
[04:23] <tseng> Mez: yes but it was clearly broken and wouldnt build in pbuilder even
[04:23] <tseng> I am hoping you meant to upload it to revu
[04:23] <ajmitch> that's a nice late tentative feature freeze
[04:23] <ajmitch> (mid-sept)
[04:23] <ajmitch> beta 2 weeks later
[04:23] <whiprush_> bah, teamspeak sucks for me.
[04:23] <ajmitch> yep
[04:23] <tseng> Mez: just please be more careful in the future, the package was broken (and never reviewed by motus)
[04:24] <ajmitch> sucks for us all
[04:24] <Hobbsee> well, it is supposed to be edgy - makes no sense to have half the dev cycle swallowed in feature freeze...
[04:24] <ajmitch> whiprush_: gobby!
[04:24] <ajmitch> whiprush_: I'm not in paris either
[04:24] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we still need to be able to release something usable
[04:24] <whiprush_> is gobby working?
[04:24] <ajmitch> yes
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i'm aware of that...
[04:25] <ajmitch> just because it's edgy doesn't mean we throw all quality out the door
[04:25] <tseng> ajmitch: Hobbsee is new at this :)
[04:25] <ajmitch> bah, she'll learn
[04:25] <tseng> should have been here for breezy
[04:25] <Lathiat> why is it everytime yoru in a rush to reboot, it was 30 days since you last fsckd
[04:25] <tseng> bring the pain
[04:25] <whiprush_> yeah, people seem to think that edgy is going to be like sid or something
[04:25] <tseng> haha sid
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> 30 days?
[04:26] <whiprush_> you should see the forums, they think FF2.0 and gaim2.0 are shipping
[04:26] <tseng> "gnome is broken 8 months of the year"
[04:27] <ajmitch> whiprush_: dude, sid is incredibly stable compared to what we go through
[04:27] <whiprush_> heh
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[04:27] <Hobbsee> tseng: bah, i did some of the cd testing for that - not proper dev stuff.
[04:28] <tseng> breezy was our rockiest dev cycle so far
[04:28] <tseng> the first release of warty that i got was more stable
[04:28] <whiprush_> ajmitch: are you just joining every gobby session or .... ?
[04:28] <ajmitch> whiprush_: no, just the ones I'm following
[04:28] <tseng> sounder 7 or some junk
[04:28] <Hobbsee> heh, i remember kde being a bit nuts then too
[04:29] <tseng> kde wasnt exactly supported in warty
[04:29] <whiprush_> ajmitch: how can you tell which port corresponds to which talk? I don't see it on the schedule
[04:29] <ajmitch> whiprush_: you get told :)
[04:29] <ajmitch> it's the only way
[04:29] <whiprush_> ajmitch: which one are you in? :)
[04:29] <ajmitch> 9001
[04:29] <ajmitch> edgy-release-schedule
[04:29] <tseng> i cant use those ports out the firewall
[04:30] <tseng> w/o a bunch of clever ssh hackery
[04:30] <tseng> I won't be joining you
[04:30] <ajmitch> ok
[04:30] <Mez> tseng:np - will do :D
[04:30] <tseng> Mez: thanks
[04:30] <whiprush_> ajmitch: cool, I'll just follow you around then.
[04:31] <ajmitch> haha
[04:31] <ajmitch> it's 2:30AM here
[04:31] <Hobbsee> tseng: i meant for breezy
[04:31] <ajmitch> I'm not staying up much longer
[04:31] <tseng> oh
[04:31] <Hobbsee> crazy ajmitch staying up all night :P
[04:31] <ajmitch> depends if I'm able to hear anything in the gcc-ssp bof
[04:32] <tseng> oh
[04:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: as if you can talk
[04:32] <tseng> thats today?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's not even 1 yet :P
[04:32] <tseng> suck
[04:32] <ajmitch> kamion is the only one I can really hear
[04:33] <ajmitch> funny
[04:33] <ajmitch> thinking that merges will be complete in a week or two
[04:34] <ajmitch> universe merges will take a lot longer
[04:35] <ajmitch> but that doesn't matter
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oh ok, so they're only talking about main...
[04:35] <ajmitch> they usually do
[04:35] <ajmitch> universe can follow its own schedule for that
[04:35] <ajmitch> though we do tend to follow UVF & FF
[04:36] <Hobbsee> true
[04:39] <siretart> merging universe will be hell this time..
[04:39] <ajmitch> yes
[04:39] <ajmitch> I think we have > 1000 to merge or check for syncs
[04:40] <azeem> how many active mergers are there approximately?
[04:40] <ajmitch> maybe 10 or so for universe
[04:40] <siretart> this is hard to guess
[04:40] <ajmitch> depends on how many random helpers we get
[04:40] <siretart> 10, maybe less maybe a bit more
[04:42] <phanatic> ajmitch: consider that as a motu school session :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> it probably would be
[04:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee can teach it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> what???
[04:42] <ajmitch> thanks
[04:42] <Hobbsee> whatever it is.
[04:42] <phanatic> great :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> yes you will
[04:43] <siretart> I'm volunteering for a motu school session 'effective merging debian changes using bzr'
[04:43] <ajmitch> siretart: bah, you beat me to it ;)
[04:44] <siretart> ajmitch: perhaps we can prepare it together?
[04:44] <ajmitch> siretart: might be a good idea - bzr is good for collaborative work :)
[04:44] <phanatic> i'm really looking forward to that session, guys...
[04:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you'll learn quickly enough
[04:46] <ajmitch> siretart: got some ideas to write up about it?
[04:47] <siretart> ajmitch: I've done some merges with bzr, and found it very handy
[04:47] <siretart> ajmitch: I'd like to craft some scripts, because some tasks are quite common
[04:47] <siretart> I need to write my ideas down
[04:47] <siretart> did get to it, I'm currenty at work ;)
[04:47] <ajmitch> doing a full import of the base debian package, the newer one, and the ubuntu package?
[04:47] <ajmitch> heh
[04:47] <siretart> full import of the base package
[04:48] <siretart> then creating 2 branches: debian and ubuntu branch
[04:48] <siretart> update the ubuntu branch with the ubuntu package
[04:48] <siretart> then update the debian branch with the new debian package
[04:48] <siretart> then merge the ubuntu branch to the debian branch
[04:48] <siretart> then resolve, and be happy
[04:48] <ajmitch> nice :)
[04:49] <siretart> some bzr plugin to import/update a branch with a new package would be great
[04:49] <ajmitch> we need to spec this! :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: get writing :P
[04:49] <ajmitch> though some of that will be covered by what keybuk was suggesting in NoMoreSourcePackages
[04:50] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: enough with your smart comments :P
[04:50] <siretart> s/with a new/from a given/
[04:50] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:50] <ajmitch> next you'll be suggesting I actually do work
[04:50] <siretart> in principle this is what will be done with NoMoreSourcePackages
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <ajmitch> in practice, keybuk was going to try & write up a plugin in a spare session in paris
[04:58] <ajmitch> siretart: what other things could we do for motu school sessions?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: anything to do with bzr - as most people havent used it
[05:01] <ajmitch> that will take a little bit of time for common practices to emerge
[05:01] <siretart> ajmitch: 'how to triage bugs in malone' 'effective forwarding of bugs in malone to debbugs'
[05:01] <phanatic> Hobbsee: there are some decent howtos on the bzr homepage
[05:01] <ajmitch> currently we're experimenting with how to maintain packages & the like with bzr
[05:02] <Hobbsee> true
[05:02] <siretart> perhaps we should start with 'common tasks when maintaining packages with bzr'
[05:02] <ajmitch> ok
[05:02] <siretart> and make that mandatory for the 'merging session'
[05:03] <ajmitch> most people aren't going to be maintaining their own packages with several patches against upstream
[05:03] <ajmitch> lewing said he had 23 patches for me to apply to f-spot, at last count..
[05:03] <ajmitch> so I'm interested in what keybuk can do
[05:29] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:02] <ajmitch> night all
[06:14] <TheMuso> c
[07:20] <crimsun> Mez: ping, do you mind making one of siretart, slomo, or myself an LP ubuntu-backports admin, please?
[07:42] <Yagisan> night all
[07:52] <gilligan_> evening
[08:59] <tortho> who is deciding wich packages goes into ubuntu-desktop?
[09:17] <uniq> tortho: Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com>
[09:17] <uniq> that's my guess.
[09:18] <tortho> uniq: Thanks
[09:19] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[09:30] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[09:30] <Sp4rKy> i've a little answer about at-poke , which is in UniverseCandidates
[09:31] <Sp4rKy> i'm trying to package it but  needs cspi1-0 , but i don't find any cspi version in apt
[09:32] <Sp4rKy> so do i blind or it is really not in repositories ?
[09:32] <chantra> hi there
[09:34] <uniq> sp4rky: you can check with packages.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> uniq, ;( really doesn't exist in repositories, so i must create it before :/
[09:36] <uniq> sp4rky: check packages.debian.org, it's very quick to move a package from debian to ubuntu.
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> uniq, another good idea :)
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> uniq, no more in debian :/
[09:41] <uniq> then you might have to make it yourself :)
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> youpiii :/
[09:44] <chantra> raphink: are you here?
[09:44] <raphink> yeah but a bit busy ;)
[09:44] <chantra> :)
[09:44] <raphink> will you be online later?
[09:44] <chantra> okie, I uploaded a sync/merged version of fuse
[09:44] <chantra> raphink: don't really know
[09:45] <chantra> just to let you know that yo can check it out on revu
[09:45] <chantra> Hawkwind: :D
[09:45] <Yagisan> didn't fuse go into the kernel ?
[09:46] <chantra> Yagisan: still require some utils and -dev packages
[09:47] <Yagisan> chantra: ok. nevermind me then. I haven't touched it since a failed attempt at gmailfs
[09:47] <chantra> raphink: basically, I removed debconf, too many bigs due to that, actual debian package depends on makedev_2.3.1-81 so I had to change few line
[09:48] <chantra> merged udev rule + other merges
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> does anyone have a package which generate many deb for an examples ?
[10:35] <chantra> Sp4rKy: yep
[10:36] <chantra> there is gaim , fuse
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> chantra, apt-get source gaim to see it ?
[10:36] <chantra> indeed
[10:37] <chantra> it is base on different package-bit1.install|postinst package-bit2.install|postinst....
[10:37] <Sp4rKy> k thx
[11:10] <reclusivemonkey> hello all
[11:12] <crimsun> hi
[11:12] <reclusivemonkey> I've been informed this is a place you can request for apps to be included in Ubuntu repositories. I have been trying to compile OGMRip all night, and failed miserably, so though I have nothing to lose by asking in here!
[11:12] <crimsun> that's really a #ubuntu question, but I'll look in a sec.
[11:13] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: tried in there, its too busy. I am used to a.o.l.s!
[11:13] <crimsun> (it would be helpful to me if you gave me a url to download the ogmrip source)
[11:13] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: one tick, you'll have it...
[11:14] <reclusivemonkey> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz?download
[11:14] <crimsun> that's probably an html page
[11:14] <crimsun> sorry, I'm very busy atm
[11:15] <reclusivemonkey> well I don't assume where you are. which location do you want or doesn't it matter?
[11:15] <crimsun> doesn't matter
[11:15] <crimsun> wgettable is preferable
[11:15] <reclusivemonkey> http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz
[11:17] <crimsun> ``sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer'' should fix that
[11:18] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: TY dude, will try that
[11:22] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: nope, I did that, then ldconfig, then make clean, ./configure, make. same result
[11:22] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: what does configure barf on?
[11:23] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: ./configure doesn't barf, make does
[11:23] <reclusivemonkey> ./configure is happy as larry...
[11:23] <crimsun> ok, shooting in the dark doesn't help. Pastebin the output.
[11:24] <reclusivemonkey> ok i will have to go learn what pastebin is. brb
[11:24] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca for instance
[11:24] <tiagoboldt> just put your output there reclusivemonkey
[11:25] <reclusivemonkey> tiagoboldt: the whole make output, or just where it starts to barf?
[11:25] <tiagoboldt> that you must ask crimsun:)
[11:26] <crimsun> the entire thing.
[11:26] <crimsun> context is quite important
[11:26] <reclusivemonkey> np
[11:27] <reclusivemonkey> http://pastebin.ca/67382
[11:28] <crimsun> line 276.
[11:28] <crimsun> that's a source error; fix the source.
[11:29] <reclusivemonkey> ogmrip-backend.c:353:5: error: missing binary operator before token "2"
[11:30] <reclusivemonkey> thats line 276. which particular source is this referring to?
[11:30] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:/tmp/ogmrip-0.9.0$ find . -name ogmrip-backend.c
[11:30] <crimsun> ./libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c
[11:31] <reclusivemonkey> so back to slack then where it compiles without problem?
[11:32] <crimsun> hmm?
[11:32] <crimsun> if you want to use Slackware, go ahead, nothing's stopping you. I'm simply pointing out that the required token is missing.
[11:34] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: I appreciate your help but you're not telling me anything I can use. I was looking to Ubuntu because it was supposedly more user friendly. I have no problems with Slackware but with a baby on the way I was thinking I may need to switch. I am now thinking that was a big mistake
[11:35] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: what's the output from: mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'`  ?
[11:35] <crimsun> sorry, omit the trailing `
[11:35] <crimsun> mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'  ?
[11:35] <reclusivemonkey> MPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
[11:36] <crimsun> ok, so you need to export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1
[11:36] <crimsun> the fault lies with ogmrip's configure script.
[11:37] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: ok, I just tried that. Same result
[11:38] <crimsun> you're using -DMPLAYER_MAJOR=1 ?
[11:39] <reclusivemonkey> i did export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1. should it be something else?
[11:39] <Mithrandir> it should be 0
[11:39] <Mithrandir> it looks like
[11:39] <Mithrandir> reclusivemonkey: just try changing the MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\
[11:39] <Mithrandir> 1%'`
[11:39] <Mithrandir> line in configure to read:
[11:39] <Mithrandir> MPLAYER_MAJOR=0
[11:39] <crimsun> Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure it's checking to see if 1.0pre is used, no?
[11:40] <Mithrandir> crimsun: hmm
[11:40] <crimsun> the configure script isn't able to account for Ubuntu's versioning scheme
[11:40] <Mithrandir> it gets confused by the epoch, true
[11:41] <reclusivemonkey> Mithrandir: a line number would save me some squinting ;-)
[11:41] <Mithrandir> reclusivemonkey: 21299
[11:41] <Mithrandir> reclusivemonkey: you might want to add MPLAYER_PRE=7 too.
[11:41] <Mithrandir> (just add it at the next line)
[11:43] <reclusivemonkey> OK, OGMRip compile, Scene 1, take 47 ;-)
[11:48] <reclusivemonkey> same result Mithrandir; it barfs. I think I corrected configure as you instructed. Will pastebin.
[11:48] <reclusivemonkey> whoops, can't pastebin, too big. Will stick it on my webbie.
[11:48] <reclusivemonkey> http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/configure.txt
[11:50] <Mithrandir> reclusivemonkey: can you put your config.log somewherE?
[11:51] <reclusivemonkey> LOL if you can tell me where i'd find it Mithrandir
[11:51] <reclusivemonkey> oh, from ./? gotcha. will do
[11:51] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: the problem is that ogmrip's configure script expects to see 1.0pre[..]  precisely and not what Ubuntu uses (2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8, where both the epoch of 2 and the fact that 0.99+ is tacked on before the 1.0pre)
[11:52] <crimsun> the conditionals in libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c both want to know if you're using 0.X or 1.0preX
[11:53] <reclusivemonkey> again crimsun, no offence, I am used to ./configure, make and make install "just working". I don't need to worry about any of this in Slack. I'm not a programmer, its all double dutch to me
[11:53] <Mithrandir> if so, change the hardcoded MPLAYER_MAJOR to 1 and it might work.
[11:54] <crimsun> as a hack, just put "#define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1" at the top of libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c
[11:54] <crimsun> (without the quotes)
[11:54] <reclusivemonkey> http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/config.log
[11:56] <reclusivemonkey> Mithrandir: tried MPLAYER_MAJOR=1, no luck again
[11:57] <crimsun> you could just change the check to be sed -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'
[11:57] <Mithrandir> reclusivemonkey: if you look at config.h, I believe it claims that MPLAYER_PRE is 0?
[11:58] <reclusivemonkey> Mithrandir: thats right
[12:00] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: just add "2:0.99+" to the sed expression
[12:00] <Mithrandir> try just munging MPLAYER_PRE  to 7 and _MAJOR to 1 there.  Or do as crimsun suggests.
[12:00] <Mithrandir> I need to catch some sleep now
[12:00] <crimsun> 'night Mithrandir
[12:00] <reclusivemonkey> Mithrandir: thanks for all your help I will try that
[12:01] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: make line 21299 read: MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'`
[12:01] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: then make line 21307 read:   MPLAYER_PRE=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+[0-1] \.[0-9] \+pre\([0-9] \+\).*%\1%'`