[12:27] malone 1 [12:27] Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [12:27] debian 326833 [12:27] Debian bug 326833 in kdelibs "Subject: kdelibs: KDE pseudoprinters do not work" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/326833 === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chantra_ [n=chantra@dyn-83-152-122-171.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp15-118.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] wheee.. === Sergi0_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0__ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rotund [n=joe@69-179-6-139.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] greetings all [04:38] Hey there Hobbsee [04:38] hey Hawkwind :) [04:39] Ah Hobbsee [04:39] Hobbsee: xchat-2.6.4 uploaded to REVU today :) [04:39] I have been wanting to talk with you [04:42] hey Kyral [04:42] Hawkwind: yay! [04:42] Kyral: what did you want to talk with me about? [04:43] Hobbsee: It's my first package ever, so if you review it, take it easy on me :) === Hobbsee cant review :P === Hobbsee is not a MOTU [04:44] well, i can, but i probably wouldnt find much === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] Ahhh. For some reason I thought ya were [04:44] Again, it's my newness to the Ubuntu world :P [04:44] Frickin heck [04:45] well... [04:45] Damn this hot weather [04:45] Hawkwind: i'm not, but i started doing packaging in late dapper - only just before that froze, so i havent had that much experience [04:45] my machine can't stand it === Hobbsee sends Kyral down here for a while. [04:45] I wish [04:46] I'm about to go Liquid cooling [04:46] Kyral: Where you at in the world ? [04:46] Hobbsee: And where is 'down here' ? [04:46] Hawkwind: australia [04:46] Potsdam NY [04:47] Hobbsee: you use Konversation right? [04:47] Kyral: Hah! It's much hotter here in Houston, Texas I guarantee ya [04:47] Hobbsee: Ohhh, nice [04:47] Hobbsee: is that an offer to come visit? [04:47] Kyral: hah. and yes, i do [04:48] Well, I am looking for something to do in the 2 weeks between my job ending and school starting [04:48] ah, i see [04:48] anywya wanna try some scripts I worked up for Konversation? [04:49] Kyral: sure, what are they? [04:49] please tell me they ban by IP [04:49] Just some simple things that I was using to play with DCOP === Hobbsee really really wants that feature to be executed by keyboard, not just by mouse. [04:50] one pastes the URL of whatever is currently being viewed in Konqeror into the channel [04:50] like this [04:50] Currently viewing in Konqueror: FSF - The Free Software Foundation, URL: https://www.fsf.org/ [04:51] nice [04:51] other just spits out the localtime [04:51] Local Time is now: Sun Jun 18 22:53:00 EDT 2006 [04:51] ah yes, like @time sydney [04:51] cool :) [04:52] want them? === Hobbsee still wants a ban by domain shortcut. [04:52] lol [04:52] I'll work on it [04:52] good [04:52] Kyral: you know what i'm meaning? [04:52] yah ban an IP instead of a host [04:52] also a kickban by domain shortcut, seeing as they should be fairly similar [04:52] I'll have to look at what DCOP functions do that === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] So can I come visit you in Aussieland? :P [04:53] Kyral: right click on username, kick/ban, [ban/kickban] *!*@domain [04:53] is the one i want [04:53] heh, you can if you really want. no guarentee that i'll be there though [04:53] lol [04:53] Maybe I can bug ajmitch :P [04:53] He'd _LOVE_ that :P [04:55] heh [04:56] i'm sure he would :P [04:56] he'd hide from you [04:56] haah [04:57] Ah well I wanna do something fun in the 2 weeks [04:57] maybe I'll take a trip down to NYC [04:58] besides, you'd get eaten by snakes and crocodiles in australia [04:58] not really sure why you'd want to come [04:59] Easy [04:59] I have never been there before :D [04:59] yes, but you would get eaten [04:59] and dont forget the viscious koalas. [04:59] Moh....you must think me un agile [05:00] Kyral: why arent you in paris? [05:00] Work [05:00] and not enough cash :P [05:00] I may go to OLS near the end of Joly [05:00] July even [05:00] nice [05:00] heh. cash is always a problem [05:00] Ottawa is a LOT closer than Paris :P [05:01] hehe [05:01] well yeah, but both are still stacks closer than here [05:02] But take pictures okay? [05:03] of what? of aus? [05:03] Hmm, maybe I should ask Russ Neslon if he wants to go to OLS... [05:03] Nelson even [05:03] no of Paris === Rafa [n=rafael@201-0-61-107.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rafa [n=rafael@201-0-61-107.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Fui] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] Gah! [05:18] hah === Hobbsee staples Kyral to IRC [05:18] right. stay! === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davfigue [n=david@201.243.59.129] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee prods Kyral [05:52] i thought i told you to stay! [05:52] yesh? [05:53] silly people, entering and leaving the chat all the time... [05:55] Its the heat [05:55] its not liking my machine [05:56] box it [the heat] up and ship it to Hobbsee. [05:56] hehe thankyou :) === imbrandon just got an iPod nano 4gig , looking up info to put linux on it as we speak, man this thing rocks [06:03] nice :) [06:03] it was my "fathers day" gift from my 2 year old son ;) [06:03] heheh [06:04] :P === davfigue [n=david@201.243.59.129] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [06:37] afternoon [06:37] hi ajmitch! [06:37] Hey there ajmitch [06:37] heya ajmitch [06:46] excellent, got hold of the person in melbourne... [06:46] imbrandon: Congrats on the ipod, and happy fathers day as well :) [06:47] thanks Hawkwind [06:47] ajmitch: they're telling you not to come? :P [06:47] hehe no [06:47] oh. pity :P [06:47] lol [06:47] you don't want me to come to .au? === Hobbsee raises an eyebrow. just think on that for a second. === ajmitch might just have to fill in a week in canberra instead :) [06:48] no! === Hobbsee will give Kyral your address down there. [06:48] he wouldn't visit [06:49] he was talking about wanting to come to AU before - didnt you see it? [06:49] I saw [06:49] just to come and annoy you :P [06:49] but you don't know where I'll be [06:49] just what city [06:49] canberra's not that big. [06:49] I'm sure it'd be easy enough to spot an american tourist like Kyral :) [06:50] hehe [06:50] you underestimate ajmitch's hiding-fu [06:50] crimsun: you underestimate how small canberra is === ajmitch has friends & relatives all round australia.. [06:50] well, it's big enough, but there's not much there. [06:51] I'm sure if I stayed longer in canberra I'd just end up babysitting my niece [06:51] true [06:51] and then you might be tempted to take her home with you [06:51] nah [06:52] no? okay then :P [06:52] I'll let my sister have her when she's unhappy :) [06:52] hehe! yes, that sounds highly sensible. === ajmitch needs to head out & get a bus ticket [06:54] back later [06:54] ajmitch: enjoy === The curses nick completion turning everything red! [06:58] argh! [07:13] crazy.. [07:14] ajmitch: :D === Hobbsee had fun doing that. [07:15] I'm glad not all australians are like that [07:15] hehehe === Hobbsee blames the chemistry === Hobbsee never has to do chem again! yay! === ajmitch blames the Hobbsee [07:16] aw, chem isn't too bad [07:16] don't let laserjock hear you say that [07:16] this lot is. ick. [07:16] besides, he should be asleep anyway [07:17] he should be waking up around now [07:17] shouldn't he be waking... [07:17] yeah [07:17] maybe, depends how late those devs wake up :P [07:17] can't miss breakfast! [07:17] 9AM start === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] mmm...breakfast... [07:18] you think they have a chance to be lazy this week? [07:18] you have no idea how busy they're kept... [07:18] true === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] :) [07:45] raphink-sleep doesn't look to be sleeping [07:45] not anymore indeed :) [07:45] going to work in 45 minutes [07:45] ) [07:45] :) [07:46] heh [07:46] where I'll be reading thrilling cfengine doc [07:46] ooh [07:46] *exciting* [07:46] :) [07:46] yeah [07:46] got plenty of caffeine? [07:46] I don't drink coffee [07:46] I drink tea instead [07:46] and I'm bringing my kubuntu cup there :) [07:47] and then you'll fall asleep again, so the nick will be correct [07:47] with a box of tea bags [07:47] hehe [07:47] :) [07:47] Hobbsee: no way I fall asleep in my office I believe [07:47] esp. with this colleague of mine that will be coming to ask questions about dapper again ;) [07:47] hehe [07:47] keeps me awake :) [07:48] I should order new CDs [07:48] I only have the maximum I could have on shipit, i.e. 8 i386 and 2 amd64 [07:48] so I'm gonna run out of them in a very short time === ajmitch probably won't see any dapper cds until the edgy release [07:49] yeah, then why would you need dapper ones? seems a bit strange [07:49] with the stuff we're putting in edgy, who'll want to run that? [07:50] haha yes [07:50] people who don't measure how unstable it will be [07:50] which is most people [07:50] just being excited by the fact that it's new and shiny [07:51] good point [07:51] by that time we'll need a bot that will automaticallly answer any sentence of the kind "edgy crashed my system" [07:51] on IRC [07:52] see the number of people still complaining about udev not installing, for instance... [07:52] yes [07:52] well people are responsible for their choices === Hobbsee is holding off upgrading :( [07:53] they should just be told that edgy is not to be as stable as dapper [07:54] they still won't listen [07:54] ajmitch: I know, but at least they'll have been warned [07:54] Ben totally needs to "misplace" vmlinuz. Maybe that'll learn 'em. [07:54] heh [07:54] haha [07:54] you could do a kernel upload as well, crimsun [07:54] hehe === raphink-sleep tries to find his way to the shower [07:54] yo uknow you want to... [07:55] ajmitch: I kinda value my life atm... [07:55] and then have elmo on your tail, yeah...fun [07:55] it can't make edgy that much more broken [07:55] most of the world fails to build at the moment [07:55] yes [07:55] mostly because of intltool-debian [07:55] that prevents debhelper from installing [07:56] which needs manual work by infinity [07:56] doesn't help, for sure [07:56] since it needs debhelper to build [07:56] well it _could_ be worse [07:56] if it was debuild that was broken maybe [07:56] nah [07:57] or gcc [07:57] debuild never gets used by the buildds [07:57] gcc breaking would be a little worse [07:57] heh [07:57] but indeed broken debhelper is not the best situation [07:57] ;) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-38-82-253-65-218.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] Hey MOTus. [08:55] hi TheMuso [08:55] hey TheMuso and LaserJock [08:55] TheMuso: I think I'm at the table to your right === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso_ [n=luke@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] Ah ok. === lloydinho [n=andreas@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink-sleep [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] ah, you lucky guys/gals you [09:06] I'll be on planes most of this week :/ [09:06] hi crimsun [09:06] poor crimsun [09:06] hi Hobbsee [09:07] & ajmitch === ajmitch gets to sit here in wintry NZ [09:07] hi crimsun, my mic works!! [09:08] its a bit hot here [09:08] Its nice in here however. === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] I thought it was a bit chilly at the moment === ajmitch looks for the UDS schedule [09:10] we are currently doing a 1 min. presentation of *each* spec [09:10] LaserJock_: excellent! [09:10] https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs starting from the top [09:10] LaserJock_: yes, I can hear about 1 second or so at times [09:11] that's nice, but it doesn't say what the schedule is :) [09:11] nor do we get the audio :) [09:11] we don't have a schedule [09:11] I don't think [09:11] it will be created in a bit via LP et al === ajmitch thinks LaserJock_ has been doing phd stuff too long [09:12] using 'et al' === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] hey Tonio_ [09:12] oh yeah [09:12] :) [09:12] 'et al' only refers to people, afaik :) [09:13] a priori, in silico ;-) [09:15] hey Hobbsee [09:15] hi all [09:16] hrm cant hear much on TS [09:16] heya Tonio_ Hobbsee [09:16] imbrandon: most people arent talking :P [09:16] and ajmitch LaserJock [09:16] Mithrandir's just got the volume thing activatd, instead of PTT [09:17] yea but it would be nice to hear whom ever is presenting [09:17] it would be [09:17] Hobbsee: uh, no. I've muted my mic now. [09:17] Mithrandir: it's your one that lights up [09:17] who's tfheen? [09:17] tha'ts you isnt it Mithrandir? [09:17] Riddell, can you get close to the presenters and "rebroadcast" hehe [09:18] Hobbsee: it is, but I've blooded muted my mic so that's quite impressive. [09:18] *now* it's muted [09:18] hehe [09:18] I'd blame vmware :) === Hobbsee would just blame ajmitch [09:19] quite impressive. It still picks up stuff when I've unplugged the mic. [09:19] wow! [09:19] yeah, laptops tend to do that [09:19] (and no, my laptop doesn't have a built-in mic ttbomk) [09:19] mine does - just a little hole in the case [09:19] my mic's not connected, although i could... [09:21] imbrandon: they're all around the room [09:21] ahh [09:21] tis not quite practicle to mike up everyone. [09:21] ;( === Hobbsee would personally just mic the room, split it, stream one, and blast the other all over the room. [09:23] that'd be the *easiest* way to do such a thing - but woultn let others talk in, i guess [09:24] hehe [09:25] depends on how big the room is too...hmmm... [09:27] hi imbrandon [09:28] it's kinda spread out [09:29] it'd depend on how good the condenser mic was then - and on where it was put [09:29] and if some idiot went and knocked it, of course :P [09:29] right now you would basically do as good reading the specs [09:29] we could just use a very directional mic [09:30] *tap* *tap* *tap* ..... is this thing on ..... lol === Hobbsee smacks imbrandon [09:30] gah....i wish people wouldnt do that. [09:30] lol [09:30] ;) [09:31] hrm guess i'm going back to my ipod hacking till something interesting starts hapening [09:31] imbrandon: that's usually why you stick such mics on a roof/wall - so people *dont* do that. :P [09:31] lol === Hobbsee makes a mental note to remember to go to work. [09:32] why bother? [09:32] yea the bounty for this is gonna be nice, should include video broadcasting too === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] as long as the bandwidth isn't like UDU... [09:33] its pretty good actually [09:34] we have an 8Mbit ADSL, I think. And hopefully, we'll get another one. [09:35] great [09:35] nice === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@210.0.212.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] raphink: you around? [09:46] yep just came back [09:47] from Paris? [09:47] ah no [09:47] from Sophia [09:47] k [09:48] couldn't make it [09:48] so i'm at work [09:48] but I'll be there ;) [09:48] I mean online [09:49] sweet [09:49] morning \sh_away :) [09:49] raphink: I'm enjoying France so far :-) [09:50] LaserJock: how is paris? [09:52] raphink: the conf or the city? [09:52] the conf is great [09:52] the city ;) [09:52] but I haven't been to the city yet [09:52] ok [09:52] 16 euros, shesh [09:52] yes [09:52] 2 for a bottle of water [09:52] yeah [09:52] 16 ? [09:52] for what? [09:52] no wonder the public fountains have long lines? [09:53] raphink: to go to Paris [09:53] raphink: day long train ticket [09:53] jsgotangco: you're not going to the right places ;) [09:53] jsgotangco: ah right [09:53] brb [09:53] you might not need to get a day long ticket [09:53] if it's only to go there and back [09:53] you can travel on foot inside paris [09:55] yeah [09:56] I wish I could be your guide there ;) [09:56] although I don't complain being here either ;) [09:56] yeah [09:57] raphink: my only complaint is the hotel seems to be in the middle of nowhere === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [09:57] raphink: so there are no shops [09:57] well... airport [09:57] close === KillerKiwi2006 [n=chatzill@203.118.190.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] sudden burst of sound.. [10:00] LaserJock: Thats how I feel as well. [10:00] ajmitch: Break atm. [10:01] any body what nick Alexander Schier goes as? [10:08] TS is a lot like Token Ring. =) === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-10-209.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] ouch === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] Does anyone have a good example of a multi-binary-package package that would begood to look at? [10:54] I'm looking through 'dhcp' but I was wondering if there was anything else? [10:55] I'm having trouble finding documentation on how multi packages hang together. [10:56] like, one source package, many binary packages sort of thing? [10:56] kelmo: yes.. === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] eg. dhcp has 'dhcp-client' ,'dhcp' and 'dhcp-relay' but only one 'debian/rules' files. [10:57] yes, that is true for just about every package [10:58] the best way is to make good use of debhelper helper files, and have debian/rules simply call the debhelper script that you use [10:58] There are also dhcp.install and 'dhcp-client.install' files in 'debain' which contains a list of files... [10:58] exactly [10:58] package.install package.dirs package.init etc etc [10:59] and debian/control lists the binary packages that get created [10:59] yup [11:00] hi kelmo, hi ajmitch [11:00] hi siretart [11:00] ajmitch: xine-devel answered that xine-lib and ffmpeg use internally some textrelocs [11:00] hi siretart [11:01] gentoo has some patches to remove them from xine-lib (provided by the pax guys), which he wants to test and include them for xine 1.1.3 [11:01] for ffmpeg it's rather unclear [11:01] that Diego from gentoo is always blogging about (and apperently hacking on) xine ;-) [11:01] So.. let me get this straight... the debian/rules file should get all the binaries/libraries etc to be built, and then dh_buildpackage will separate them all aut according to the .install file? [11:02] pschulz01: well, package.install is just one helper, but yes, that is the basic idea [11:02] sorry.. that should be dh_builddeb [11:04] Is it the '*.install' files that determine what goes in each binary package? cause when building a single binary package I've never noticed or needed it. [11:04] which is cool that he is working on xine [11:04] pschulz01: have a look at dh_install(1) [11:04] indeed [11:05] siretart: in package related news, Jouni just applied some small/trivial patches from me to wpa_supplicant devel branch ;-) [11:05] \sh: new cmake entered unstable just today (currently in incoming) [11:05] kelmo: cool :) [11:05] siretart: dh_install is not what I'm after then.. [11:06] How do you tell multi binary packages what goes into what? [11:06] (package) [11:06] via foo.install, which is related to dh_install(1) [11:07] and foo.dirs, foo.docs, foo,examples . . . [11:07] dh_install{dirs,docs,examples} respectively === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] pschulz01: reread 2nd paragraph === ajmitch wonders when the UDS people are coming back online :) [11:09] they must be off doing something supersekrit [11:10] obviously [11:10] sabdfl is probably unveiling the master plan for world domination [11:10] or something like that [11:15] 8:30 AM meeting, have to sleep *zonk* === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-38-82-253-65-218.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Quitte"] [11:17] night crimsun === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] are the edgy repos open yet ? [11:31] it is called edgy , right ? [11:33] AnAnt: yes [11:33] and yes [11:33] ok, I am using dapper [11:34] and yesterday I found 94 updates [11:34] from -security and -update [11:35] gnome 2.14.2 & linux kernel 2.6.15-25.43 [11:35] actually I am not sure where they are from [11:35] yes [11:35] -security & -updates :) [11:36] I enabled security,update & dapper-backports === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] ic [11:36] the kernel didn't boot though [11:36] giving me some error [11:36] about /dev/{dunno what}/dunno what too [11:36] & you've filed a bug with those details? [11:36] nope [11:36] I want to retry first [11:36] I just came to ask wether those were backports or not [11:37] ok, so, does the new kernel support MMCv4 cards ? [11:38] I doubt anything new was added in the update [11:38] Anybody here from the conference having trouble accessing their smtp servers/ [11:38] ic [11:38] webmail rocks [11:38] heh [11:38] Webmail sucks. [11:38] :) [11:39] heh [11:39] ok, I uploaded some packages to the REVU, how do I know if they are going to enter Edgy or not ? [11:39] ajmitch: btw, how/where to file a bug? [11:40] launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug [11:40] k, thx [11:40] AnAnt: if they are approved by 2 MOTUs they can be uploaded to Universe === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is going to have to be very nocturnal to be near any of these bofs [12:01] are they broadcast? === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-81-184.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] teamspeak only [12:01] ah [12:02] & gobby sessions [12:02] however I'm 10 hours ahead of paris time :) [12:03] yeah, you should be *on* Paris time! [12:04] well, they probably have insane business hours during their conference, so being some hours off might be an advantage to some... [12:04] though 10 hours seems excessive [12:04] being in NZ has its disadvantages === highvolt1ge [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] hi everybody [12:13] Hi === Tonio__ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] zul! [12:25] there is only zul. === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] hey ajmitch [12:26] and tseng [12:26] this voip thing is actually kind of cool [12:26] yeah [12:26] and gobby [12:26] i could hear fabbione's voice for a minute.. [12:26] heh [12:26] scared yet? [12:27] oh i been scared before [12:27] brb === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] watching people type up a spec is interesting [12:31] ajmitch: heh, it's kinda interesting on this end too [12:31] woo! [12:31] looks like debconf may be fixed [12:31] LaserJock: a bit more so, I'd say [12:32] great [12:32] the buildds are thrashing around again? [12:32] dunno [12:32] just peeked in my chroot [12:32] looks like they're all idle === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] cli-common built [12:32] 0.4.2 [12:32] welcome back, zul [12:33] hm, great [12:33] good enough for me [12:33] ajmitch: thkx === ajmitch is listening to kinnison, fabbione & sabdfl discussing package diffs [12:33] tseng: it built locally, not in edgy? [12:33] no? [12:33] you know what [12:34] i did showsrc [12:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cli-common/0.4.2 [12:34] ah [12:34] dummy [12:34] < [12:34] ajmitch: I need to listen to one BOF will talking in another ;-) [12:36] is there a url for all the fun? [12:36] i just discovered a copy of the free software song in my music folder === Lathiat is scared [12:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Participate [12:36] thanks [12:37] what time is it in paris btw? [12:37] about 1pm [12:37] 12:37 [12:37] 12:37 [12:38] and http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-19/ [12:39] yeah, I'm getting hungry [12:39] no-more-source-pacakges? === tseng is scared [12:39] oh [12:40] Topic: should we abandon source packages entirely in favour of working in bzr [12:40] tseng: everything-in-bzr === cypher [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] including hct, i hope [12:40] better: create source packages by buildds [12:40] keybuk considers hct to be deprecated [12:40] in favor of? [12:41] siretart: sure, people will still want source packages done the traditional way === highvoltage [n=jono@ALagny-109-1-2-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] but we'd avoid uploading them [12:41] siretart: dch; bzr ci -m "My Commit"; launchpad-magic-branch-action; === cypher [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] maybe just sftp to a magic place [12:42] siretart: how many branches have you pushed now? [12:42] tseng: it's all tied to the personal package archive magic [12:42] where a branch is blessed as 'put this in the distro' [12:42] ajmitch: you could import sourcepackages as 'foreign' vcs commit === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] ajmitch: dunno, I have some more in private use, and I wonder if I should leave them on tauware or push them to the supermirror [12:43] ajmitch: "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy" [12:43] possibly with a tag too. [12:43] I've had some here in private use for quite awhile [12:43] that would be interesting [12:43] ajmitch: currently, i have a shared repo on tauware.de, this saves bandwith when I push a new branch [12:43] siretart: yes, something launchpad really lacks at the moment [12:43] or sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/casper/1.60 [12:43] it hurts when you've changed only a couple of files in a branch [12:44] which is a common use case [12:44] at least for me [12:44] yes [12:44] ajmitch: some of us have more bandwidth than others. :-P [12:44] I have a number of branches which were patches === Mithrandir hides [12:44] Mithrandir: even so, bzr latency hurts :) [12:44] bzr latency inside the DC is quite acceptable, IMO. [12:44] ;-) [12:44] it was pushing at about ~5K/sec [12:44] :P [12:48] Mithrandir: how's the hotel for this one? [12:49] ajmitch: it's a hotel. It has a swimming pool, I have a bed and they serve food. There's a limit to how exciting hotels get after a while. [12:49] it's decent enough, I'm just bored of hotels. [12:49] :) [12:49] We have Personal Package Archives in the pipeline those will allow people to have their own small apt-get/synaptic compatible archives served by, and built by, Launchpad. [12:49] that is cool [12:49] yeah [12:49] it's been in planning for quite awhile [12:50] I hope the 'closing bugs via changelog' spec didn't get dropped of the pipeline [12:50] i hope you need to be in the keyring for that [12:50] no, I think they're truly personal archives [12:50] so people will upload to launchpad, not REVU [12:50] lower buildd priority, then [12:51] certainly [12:51] sucks enough to be in the middle of a multi package juggling act fighting against the buildd [12:51] but I don't think builds can be preempted [12:51] so if the queue is empty, and someone uploads a multi-hour build to their PPA, it'll block at the moment === cypher [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] yes [12:52] joy, private launchpad wiki, we won't see the spec later [12:52] yeah last time i complained about that the answer was "yeah we are going to open that no problem" [12:53] actually what happened was they horked the vhost so things went to the lp wiki === cypher [n=cypher@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Client] [12:53] kinnison was just apologising for it [12:59] must be lunchtime there now [01:03] luuuuuuuunch. === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c182116.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] hey [01:34] hello === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] afternoon everyone [01:40] hi phanatic [01:40] hey ajmitch === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] uploads for ubuntu-security goes trough pitti, right? [01:55] yep [01:55] there's a mailing list.. [01:55] i know :) [01:55] ok :) [01:55] we have mailing lists for everything :) [01:56] security-revies@lists.u.c [01:56] yup [01:57] almost.. [01:57] review, not revies === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] jsgotangco: good lunch? [01:57] pretty good [01:58] you're supposed to be sleeping right? [01:58] it's only midnight [01:58] I want to sit in on the next BOF about source packages [01:58] ahh yes [01:58] $SU -l postgres -c "$PGENGINE/initdb --pgdata=$PGDATA" >> $PGLOG 2>&1 < /dev/null [01:58] oh, made by redhat :/ [01:59] there's also the easier-motuing BOF after that [01:59] but I don't know if I can stay awake that long [02:00] rec it ajmitch [02:00] ts can rec [02:00] nah [02:00] it's something I'd want to discuss, not just record [02:00] right [02:00] can someone please save a recording of that bof anyway please? [02:01] I don't have ts here right now [02:01] siretart: sure, someone will :) [02:01] I think the aim is to record them all [02:03] I tried to use teamspeak for about 30 seconds. [02:03] then right to the recycle bin. [02:03] heh [02:03] it's great software, isn't it? [02:04] easymotuing sounds fun [02:04] "how do we make the MOTU community suck less?" [02:04] since we do suck at times at getting new people in === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:06] we suck? [02:06] yes, we all suck [02:06] hehe [02:06] arg whats the ts ady again [02:06] i just cleard the field [02:06] teamspeak.uds.canonical.com [02:07] thx [02:07] hi jsgotangco === ajmitch should not have got such a cheap headset [02:07] the headphones on this are painful [02:07] bonjour! [02:09] 'playing along from home' indeed... :) === erez [n=erez@85-250-172-10.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] ajmitch can you understand lifeless ? [02:21] no [02:21] kk making sure it wasent just me [02:21] lifeless: you need to use push-to-speak on teamspeak [02:24] ajmitch: I know === Cas [n=cas@83.98.233.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] yes msw === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierryn [n=jackobil@modemcable136.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [02:35] VERY MUCH [02:35] ajmitch can you communicate that i feel that would be VERY helpfulle, i dont have a working mic [02:35] atm === ajmitch wonders if it was audible [02:36] barely ;) [02:36] hm === Hobbsee heard ajmitch more coherantly than keybuk :( === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:38] hey dholbach! [02:38] dholbach!! [02:38] yea i mainly think its a case of people not knowing about bzr [02:38] heya [02:38] and bzr lacking in some areas [02:38] but once it past that it can be very helpfull [02:38] like the submit-by-email feature being done as SoC project [02:38] ajmitch true === Hobbsee goes in search of dinner [02:39] or having to push the *whole* branch to launchpad :) [02:40] as long as the build system makes the old way transparent it could be pulled off === ianm [n=yella@201.250.0.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] exactly transparency is they key === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-9-234.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] ah, sounds much better on the headphones. [02:44] hi guys. I'm interested in getting some projects into ubuntu. specifically the Screen Ruler, Font Sampler, and Chess Clock (screenshots: http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/ ) [02:48] lifeless: can you use push to talk please === jamessan [n=jamessan@debian/developer/jamessan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] imbrandon_: I do [03:00] hmm ok [03:00] lifeless: we're missing most of what you're saying... [03:00] lifeless: it's been unintelligible when you were speaking [03:00] cutting out most of the tie [03:00] yea [03:00] s/tie/time/ [03:00] everyone else seems clear though [03:00] or atleaste clear enough to understand [03:01] well, I'm using push to talk, and my mic gain is at max. [03:01] turn your volume up :) [03:02] my ears would bleed then - everyone else is loud :) [03:02] lifeless: and get blasted by everyone else :P [03:02] easier for them to turn gain down :) [03:02] its not realy the loudness, its the cutting in and out [03:03] we hear like every other word [03:03] no idea whats causing that [03:03] any suggestions rather than second guessing, would be appreciated [03:03] right right, no idea atm, thought it was push to talk [03:05] alright, time for dholbach to shine.. [03:06] heh === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] hah [03:06] dholbach! don't leave us! [03:06] wb dholbach [03:06] <_ion> lifeless: amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' unmute [03:07] amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boot (+20dB)',0 [03:07] muhha [03:07] alsamixer? [03:07] mixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mix Boost (+20dB)',0 [03:07] <_ion> Mic [03:07] oh feh [03:08] we'll see if that helps - thanks === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dbernar1 [n=dbernar1@S0106000d61122de0.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] dholbach: do we have a BOF? [03:13] easiuer-motuing [03:13] port 9003 [03:13] yes, but are you on teamspeak? [03:14] oh no, none of us is [03:14] lol [03:14] oh well === ajmitch might as well go to bed then [03:15] TS isn't becoming too popular even === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] it's sort of the only way some of us can be involved [03:15] since most people aren't inclined to discuss on irc as well [03:16] the Tab Consistency BOF is pretty active in TS [03:16] yeah I see that [03:20] dholbach: some summary of what's going on would be nice [03:20] hi. If I get this error, and want to change the source for the package so it does not perform that particular check, which file can I edit? The error is shown in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15295. In the changelog file of the source for the package, I can see when the maintainer created the check I want to remove. [03:20] ajmitch: we're writing the spec atm [03:20] the gobby session is open === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ianm [n=yella@201.250.0.15] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:22] I think I found it in the packages file. === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.127.103.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] I made the change. Just added some #s. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15984 is what it looks like now. How do I make a .deb out of it? Should I just read the new debian maintainer's guide? [03:25] is the gobby server supposed to work from the outside? I get only timeouts [03:26] yes, it does work [03:26] though I don't see anything happening to the spec [03:26] siretart: port 9003? [03:26] oh. interesting. I'll try [03:27] Can I package a .deb without a gpg key? [03:27] whats the addy for gobby again? [03:27] Just for myself. [03:27] dbernar1: yes [03:27] zul: it's in repos, it seems [03:27] zul: gobby.uds.ubuntu.com [03:27] OK. brb. [03:28] so you guys are in Paris? [03:28] nope [03:28] yeah [03:28] nope [03:28] yeah [03:28] nope.. [03:28] lol [03:28] nope [03:28] ajmitch: thanks. this was it. === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] preferable is the right spelling :P === ajmitch probably wouldn't make a good mentor [03:31] oh i dont know [03:31] who mentioned preferable though? [03:32] Hobbsee: in gobby [03:32] oh [03:32] hrm gobby isnt connecting [03:32] imbrandon: port 9003 [03:32] ahh === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-55-64.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dbernar1 [n=dbernar1@S0106000d61122de0.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] OK, that worked, thanks. === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] well, that was an abrupt ending [03:57] heh [03:58] tab consist over ? [03:58] oh, ajmitch: i thougth about it, and decided it wasnt a good idea. [03:58] almost [03:58] :P [03:59] siretart: we'll need to save the document after this :) [03:59] ajmitch is motueasy next ? [04:00] ajmitch: you should save it regularily, because gobby used to crash a lot [04:00] I wonder why it didn't crash yet.. [04:00] imbrandon: it's just finished [04:00] umm i mean in paris [04:01] the next scheduled session for it is drafting [04:01] k [04:01] however the spec session was mostly drafting [04:01] siretart: this is a newer version :) [04:01] one that doesn't kill the document for everyone when someone's gobby crashes [04:02] ajmitch: still without undo [04:02] of course [04:02] that's why you save your doc into a bzr branch :) [04:03] and have a cronjob autocomitting it every 2 minutes? [04:03] :P === ajmitch has done that before.. [04:03] bzr is cheap, far less setup than cvs or svn [04:03] I keep all my work documents in bzr. [04:03] it's sweet. [04:06] bzr autocommit --interval=2min ~/documents [04:06] bzr autocommit --stop ~/documents [04:06] ;) [04:07] hehe [04:08] that'd be an easy plugin to write.. [04:08] ajmitch: gogogo! :) [04:08] :) [04:08] don't tempt me [04:08] I've got enough to procrastinate with [04:08] go on ajmitch :P [04:08] hehe === Cas_ [n=cas@83.98.233.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] siretart: set it running in your session when you login? :) [04:10] would be nice [04:10] heh [04:10] I'd rather like to have it started manually, and stop automatically as soon as I close the shell [04:10] is slomo in paris? [04:10] yes [04:10] he is [04:10] cool [04:10] the use case: I setup an 'autocommit' branch, and after I finish my work, I merge that in some other branch [04:11] siretart: should be possible, I think [04:11] I wonder if the release schedule BOF is going on now [04:11] I wonder what the result of the nomoresourcepackages spec was [04:11] result? [04:11] s/spec/bof session/ [04:11] well, they did discuss it, no? [04:11] there was no result, just some blue-sky discussion [04:12] keybuk came up with a grand plan to use bzr like quilt [04:12] obsoleting the method on the wiki [04:12] managing patches with ease [04:12] hm [04:12] using bzr like quilt w/o hct sounds like a pita to me [04:12] it is marked 'essential' [04:12] is this really targeted for edgy? [04:12] have you seen how manoj does it [04:12] he says it'd only take an hour or two to code up [04:12] tseng: somewhat === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] pain [04:13] dholbach: !!! [04:13] siretart: not really, sabdfl wanted it talked about though [04:13] welcome back, dholbach [04:13] i see [04:13] re [04:13] it's quite possible to do for edgy though [04:13] :) [04:13] at least some parts of it [04:13] we wrote up more of the MOTU doc.. [04:14] (a few extra lines is all) === Mez [i=Mez@195.112.61.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] Mez: a question [04:14] siretart: I've got most of it recorded [04:15] Mez: when you uploaded a broken ifolder did you mean for it to go to revu or dapper? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@p54A78845.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] ajmitch: cool. is it accessible somewhere? [04:17] siretart: not yet, it's a large .wav file [04:18] ah, i see === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] I can just make out kamion's accent === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] tseng: I really cant remember - I uploaded it in like - february [04:23] Mez: yes but it was clearly broken and wouldnt build in pbuilder even [04:23] I am hoping you meant to upload it to revu [04:23] that's a nice late tentative feature freeze [04:23] (mid-sept) [04:23] beta 2 weeks later [04:23] bah, teamspeak sucks for me. [04:23] yep [04:23] Mez: just please be more careful in the future, the package was broken (and never reviewed by motus) [04:24] sucks for us all === whiprush_ just relies on ajmitch for the play-by-play [04:24] well, it is supposed to be edgy - makes no sense to have half the dev cycle swallowed in feature freeze... [04:24] whiprush_: gobby! [04:24] whiprush_: I'm not in paris either [04:24] Hobbsee: we still need to be able to release something usable [04:24] is gobby working? === whiprush_ installs [04:24] yes [04:24] i'm aware of that... [04:25] just because it's edgy doesn't mean we throw all quality out the door [04:25] ajmitch: Hobbsee is new at this :) [04:25] bah, she'll learn [04:25] should have been here for breezy [04:25] why is it everytime yoru in a rush to reboot, it was 30 days since you last fsckd [04:25] bring the pain [04:25] yeah, people seem to think that edgy is going to be like sid or something [04:25] haha sid [04:26] 30 days? [04:26] you should see the forums, they think FF2.0 and gaim2.0 are shipping [04:26] "gnome is broken 8 months of the year" [04:27] whiprush_: dude, sid is incredibly stable compared to what we go through [04:27] heh [04:27] [04:27] tseng: bah, i did some of the cd testing for that - not proper dev stuff. [04:28] breezy was our rockiest dev cycle so far [04:28] the first release of warty that i got was more stable [04:28] ajmitch: are you just joining every gobby session or .... ? [04:28] whiprush_: no, just the ones I'm following [04:28] sounder 7 or some junk [04:28] heh, i remember kde being a bit nuts then too [04:29] kde wasnt exactly supported in warty [04:29] ajmitch: how can you tell which port corresponds to which talk? I don't see it on the schedule [04:29] whiprush_: you get told :) [04:29] it's the only way [04:29] ajmitch: which one are you in? :) [04:29] 9001 [04:29] edgy-release-schedule === Kamping_Kaiser rmemebers DIYing a system called kUbuntu for itshare.... [04:29] i cant use those ports out the firewall [04:30] w/o a bunch of clever ssh hackery [04:30] I won't be joining you [04:30] ok [04:30] tseng:np - will do :D [04:30] Mez: thanks [04:30] ajmitch: cool, I'll just follow you around then. [04:31] haha [04:31] it's 2:30AM here [04:31] tseng: i meant for breezy [04:31] I'm not staying up much longer [04:31] oh [04:31] crazy ajmitch staying up all night :P [04:31] depends if I'm able to hear anything in the gcc-ssp bof [04:32] oh [04:32] Hobbsee: as if you can talk [04:32] thats today? [04:32] ajmitch: it's not even 1 yet :P [04:32] suck [04:32] kamion is the only one I can really hear [04:33] funny [04:33] thinking that merges will be complete in a week or two === truzak [n=chatzill@85.99.222.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] universe merges will take a lot longer [04:35] but that doesn't matter [04:35] oh ok, so they're only talking about main... [04:35] they usually do [04:35] universe can follow its own schedule for that [04:35] though we do tend to follow UVF & FF [04:36] true === lakin [n=lakin@206.174.196.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] merging universe will be hell this time.. [04:39] yes [04:39] I think we have > 1000 to merge or check for syncs [04:40] how many active mergers are there approximately? [04:40] maybe 10 or so for universe [04:40] this is hard to guess [04:40] depends on how many random helpers we get [04:40] 10, maybe less maybe a bit more [04:42] ajmitch: consider that as a motu school session :) [04:42] it probably would be [04:42] Hobbsee can teach it [04:42] what??? [04:42] thanks === Hobbsee couldnt possibly do it. [04:42] whatever it is. [04:42] great :) [04:42] yes you will === ajmitch puts her name down on the wiki [04:43] I'm volunteering for a motu school session 'effective merging debian changes using bzr' [04:43] siretart: bah, you beat me to it ;) === Hobbsee knows nothing, nothing at all. [04:44] ajmitch: perhaps we can prepare it together? [04:44] siretart: might be a good idea - bzr is good for collaborative work :) [04:44] i'm really looking forward to that session, guys... [04:44] Hobbsee: you'll learn quickly enough [04:46] siretart: got some ideas to write up about it? [04:47] ajmitch: I've done some merges with bzr, and found it very handy [04:47] ajmitch: I'd like to craft some scripts, because some tasks are quite common [04:47] I need to write my ideas down [04:47] did get to it, I'm currenty at work ;) [04:47] doing a full import of the base debian package, the newer one, and the ubuntu package? [04:47] heh [04:47] full import of the base package [04:48] then creating 2 branches: debian and ubuntu branch [04:48] update the ubuntu branch with the ubuntu package [04:48] then update the debian branch with the new debian package [04:48] then merge the ubuntu branch to the debian branch [04:48] then resolve, and be happy === ajmitch is glad that we can throw away all of our python2.3->2.4 diffs to debian [04:48] nice :) [04:49] some bzr plugin to import/update a branch with a new package would be great [04:49] we need to spec this! :) [04:49] ajmitch: get writing :P [04:49] though some of that will be covered by what keybuk was suggesting in NoMoreSourcePackages [04:50] Hobbsee: enough with your smart comments :P [04:50] s/with a new/from a given/ [04:50] okay [04:50] next you'll be suggesting I actually do work [04:50] in principle this is what will be done with NoMoreSourcePackages [04:51] hehe [04:51] in practice, keybuk was going to try & write up a plugin in a spare session in paris === Hobbsee will wait a bit for that one === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truzak [n=chatzill@85.99.222.126] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:58] siretart: what other things could we do for motu school sessions? === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] ajmitch: anything to do with bzr - as most people havent used it [05:01] that will take a little bit of time for common practices to emerge [05:01] ajmitch: 'how to triage bugs in malone' 'effective forwarding of bugs in malone to debbugs' [05:01] Hobbsee: there are some decent howtos on the bzr homepage [05:01] currently we're experimenting with how to maintain packages & the like with bzr [05:02] true [05:02] perhaps we should start with 'common tasks when maintaining packages with bzr' [05:02] ok [05:02] and make that mandatory for the 'merging session' [05:03] most people aren't going to be maintaining their own packages with several patches against upstream [05:03] lewing said he had 23 patches for me to apply to f-spot, at last count.. 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[09:18] uniq: Thanks [09:19] you're welcome :) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] hi MOTUs [09:30] i've a little answer about at-poke , which is in UniverseCandidates === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortho [n=tortho@33.84-49-113.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:31] i'm trying to package it but needs cspi1-0 , but i don't find any cspi version in apt [09:32] so do i blind or it is really not in repositories ? === chantra [n=chantra@dyn-83-152-122-171.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] hi there === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] sp4rky: you can check with packages.ubuntu.com [09:35] uniq, ;( really doesn't exist in repositories, so i must create it before :/ [09:36] sp4rky: check packages.debian.org, it's very quick to move a package from debian to ubuntu. [09:37] uniq, another good idea :) === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] uniq, no more in debian :/ [09:41] then you might have to make it yourself :) [09:43] youpiii :/ [09:44] raphink: are you here? [09:44] yeah but a bit busy ;) [09:44] :) [09:44] will you be online later? [09:44] okie, I uploaded a sync/merged version of fuse [09:44] raphink: don't really know [09:45] just to let you know that yo can check it out on revu === redguy_ [n=mati@adv152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hawkwind Lights the fuse....oh wait, wrong kind of fuse :P [09:45] Hawkwind: :D [09:45] didn't fuse go into the kernel ? [09:46] Yagisan: still require some utils and -dev packages [09:47] chantra: ok. nevermind me then. I haven't touched it since a failed attempt at gmailfs [09:47] raphink: basically, I removed debconf, too many bigs due to that, actual debian package depends on makedev_2.3.1-81 so I had to change few line [09:48] merged udev rule + other merges === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.127.102.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jose [n=jose@171.Red-217-125-94.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === verwilst [n=verwilst@d54C1EB55.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.127.102.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] does anyone have a package which generate many deb for an examples ? [10:35] Sp4rKy: yep [10:36] there is gaim , fuse [10:36] chantra, apt-get source gaim to see it ? [10:36] indeed [10:37] it is base on different package-bit1.install|postinst package-bit2.install|postinst.... [10:37] k thx === Gloubiboulga_ [n=gauvain@dyn-83-154-5-114.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@ool-45796272.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reclusivemonkey [n=reclusiv@host86-133-175-217.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] hello all [11:12] hi [11:12] I've been informed this is a place you can request for apps to be included in Ubuntu repositories. I have been trying to compile OGMRip all night, and failed miserably, so though I have nothing to lose by asking in here! [11:12] that's really a #ubuntu question, but I'll look in a sec. [11:13] crimsun: tried in there, its too busy. I am used to a.o.l.s! [11:13] (it would be helpful to me if you gave me a url to download the ogmrip source) [11:13] crimsun: one tick, you'll have it... [11:14] http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz?download [11:14] that's probably an html page [11:14] sorry, I'm very busy atm [11:15] well I don't assume where you are. which location do you want or doesn't it matter? [11:15] doesn't matter [11:15] wgettable is preferable [11:15] http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ogmrip/ogmrip-0.9.0.tar.gz [11:17] ``sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer'' should fix that [11:18] crimsun: TY dude, will try that [11:22] crimsun: nope, I did that, then ldconfig, then make clean, ./configure, make. same result [11:22] reclusivemonkey: what does configure barf on? [11:23] crimsun: ./configure doesn't barf, make does [11:23] ./configure is happy as larry... [11:23] ok, shooting in the dark doesn't help. Pastebin the output. [11:24] ok i will have to go learn what pastebin is. brb [11:24] http://pastebin.ca for instance === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-27-82-248-15-43.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] just put your output there reclusivemonkey === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] tiagoboldt: the whole make output, or just where it starts to barf? [11:25] that you must ask crimsun:) [11:26] the entire thing. [11:26] context is quite important [11:26] np [11:27] http://pastebin.ca/67382 [11:28] line 276. [11:28] that's a source error; fix the source. [11:29] ogmrip-backend.c:353:5: error: missing binary operator before token "2" [11:30] thats line 276. which particular source is this referring to? [11:30] crimsun@garnish:/tmp/ogmrip-0.9.0$ find . -name ogmrip-backend.c [11:30] ./libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@ool-45796272.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] so back to slack then where it compiles without problem? [11:32] hmm? [11:32] if you want to use Slackware, go ahead, nothing's stopping you. I'm simply pointing out that the required token is missing. [11:34] crimsun: I appreciate your help but you're not telling me anything I can use. I was looking to Ubuntu because it was supposedly more user friendly. I have no problems with Slackware but with a baby on the way I was thinking I may need to switch. I am now thinking that was a big mistake [11:35] reclusivemonkey: what's the output from: mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%'` ? [11:35] sorry, omit the trailing ` [11:35] mplayer |head -n1 |sed -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\1%' ? [11:35] MPlayer 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team [11:36] ok, so you need to export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1 [11:36] the fault lies with ogmrip's configure script. [11:37] crimsun: ok, I just tried that. Same result [11:38] you're using -DMPLAYER_MAJOR=1 ? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-46.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] i did export MPLAYER_MAJOR=1. should it be something else? [11:39] it should be 0 [11:39] it looks like [11:39] reclusivemonkey: just try changing the MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer \([0-1] \).*%\ [11:39] 1%'` [11:39] line in configure to read: [11:39] MPLAYER_MAJOR=0 [11:39] Mithrandir: I'm pretty sure it's checking to see if 1.0pre is used, no? [11:40] crimsun: hmm [11:40] the configure script isn't able to account for Ubuntu's versioning scheme [11:40] it gets confused by the epoch, true [11:41] Mithrandir: a line number would save me some squinting ;-) [11:41] reclusivemonkey: 21299 [11:41] reclusivemonkey: you might want to add MPLAYER_PRE=7 too. [11:41] (just add it at the next line) [11:43] OK, OGMRip compile, Scene 1, take 47 ;-) === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@p54A79108.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] same result Mithrandir; it barfs. I think I corrected configure as you instructed. Will pastebin. [11:48] whoops, can't pastebin, too big. Will stick it on my webbie. [11:48] http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/configure.txt [11:50] reclusivemonkey: can you put your config.log somewherE? [11:51] LOL if you can tell me where i'd find it Mithrandir [11:51] oh, from ./? gotcha. will do [11:51] reclusivemonkey: the problem is that ogmrip's configure script expects to see 1.0pre[..] precisely and not what Ubuntu uses (2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8, where both the epoch of 2 and the fact that 0.99+ is tacked on before the 1.0pre) [11:52] the conditionals in libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c both want to know if you're using 0.X or 1.0preX [11:53] again crimsun, no offence, I am used to ./configure, make and make install "just working". I don't need to worry about any of this in Slack. I'm not a programmer, its all double dutch to me === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] if so, change the hardcoded MPLAYER_MAJOR to 1 and it might work. [11:54] as a hack, just put "#define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1" at the top of libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c [11:54] (without the quotes) [11:54] http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/config.log === herzi [n=herzi@c184218.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] Mithrandir: tried MPLAYER_MAJOR=1, no luck again [11:57] you could just change the check to be sed -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%' [11:57] reclusivemonkey: if you look at config.h, I believe it claims that MPLAYER_PRE is 0? [11:58] Mithrandir: thats right [12:00] reclusivemonkey: just add "2:0.99+" to the sed expression [12:00] try just munging MPLAYER_PRE to 7 and _MAJOR to 1 there. Or do as crimsun suggests. [12:00] I need to catch some sleep now [12:00] 'night Mithrandir [12:00] Mithrandir: thanks for all your help I will try that [12:01] reclusivemonkey: make line 21299 read: MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'` [12:01] reclusivemonkey: then make line 21307 read: MPLAYER_PRE=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+[0-1] \.[0-9] \+pre\([0-9] \+\).*%\1%'`