[12:17] <uniq> gnite.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[04:01] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:02] <nixternal> hey Hobbsee and imbrandon
[04:02] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[04:02] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:02] <nixternal> jamin' and documentin'
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[06:51] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:51] <nixternal> it sure is quiet
[06:52] <Hobbsee> it is indeed.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ah ha :)
[06:54] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <Hobbsee> it's using *edgy* repos now, not dappers!
[06:54] <nixternal> i have been finger boxin' the keyboard all night helpin' people out ;)
[06:54] <nixternal> arg.. Hobbsee you just fixed my issue earlier...i was messing with pbuilder following a howto, and i set my environments to dapper
[06:54] <nixternal> grrrr
[06:54] <nixternal> or edgy i mean
[06:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you can run two pbuilders, you know
[06:55] <Hobbsee> it's very useful :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> that's what i'm just finishing setting up now :)
[06:55] <nixternal> ya..i didn't get that far in the tutorial ;)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you figure out how to fix it?
[06:56] <nixternal> ya..it is in help.ubuntu.com Packaging Documentation
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i was using too
[06:56] <nixternal> i am getting ready to help out jjesse with that..so i was trying it out b4 i worked on it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:57] <nixternal> i am not a coder really...i can read it...just can't write it type of thing...but i was trying out the packaging aspect to see if i would be confused and if we would need to dumb it down
[06:57] <nixternal> sort of speak
[06:57] <nixternal> ;)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> actually, that packaging guide's pretty good at the moment
[06:58] <nixternal> it shall be better for Edgy ;)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> it's missing a bit on chmod +x'ing the files for the multiple
[06:58] <Hobbsee> pbuilders
[06:58] <lnxkde> when we will see the next dev vercion of kubuntu and what kde will have in it?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: the next, or the final for edgy?
[06:58] <nixternal> october 19 for rc1 and october 26 for the release
[06:59] <lnxkde> edgy?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> oh so they decided when rc1 was now?  
[06:59] <nixternal> ya
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: next version of kubuntu
[06:59] <nixternal> one week b4 final again
[06:59] <Hobbsee> nice
[06:59] <lnxkde> edgy is out?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: kde 3.5.4 should be there
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: no
[06:59] <Hobbsee> it's severely broken.
[06:59] <lnxkde> I mean in his pre alpha state
[07:00] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, so it didnt change from what i saw late last night
[07:01] <nixternal> nope
[07:01] <nixternal> they just made it purty
[07:01] <Hobbsee> whee!  k-d-s builds in edgy too!
[07:01] <Hobbsee> all my scripts are working!
[07:02] <nixternal> nice
[07:02] <nixternal> one of these days i will be scripting with ya...i can hack code a little..but give me some hardware and Linux and it is over with ;)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> yay!  and it asks for signing!  woot!
[07:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe, you can do the documentation
[07:02] <nixternal> you got further then i did in the docs i see ;)
[07:03] <lnxkde> what I have to do to update to edgy?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: dont do it.
[07:03] <nixternal> haha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in the docs?
[07:03] <nixternal> yup
[07:03] <lnxkde> ...
[07:03] <Hobbsee> how do you mean?
[07:03] <nixternal> you got to the signing part...im not that far following the packaging documentation yet ;)
[07:03] <nixternal> that is all in there
[07:05] <lnxkde> hum well I have a lot of space in my PC I can make another installation of kubuntu
[07:06] <lnxkde> and updateit to edgy and play with the new stuff and report bugs
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: howzat?  :)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sethk taught me about signing, maybe there should be a section on making an edgybuild / dapperbuild script there or whatever.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: it's still very very broken at the moment, but you're welcome to
[07:08] <lnxkde> I know :)
[07:08] <nixternal> there will be eventually Hobbsee
[07:08] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: change all instances of dapper to edgy in the sources.list, and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <nixternal> that is what jjesse and i have been conversing about
[07:08] <Hobbsee> same as breezy --> edgy
[07:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that'd be good
[07:09] <lnxkde> I just wanted to know if I just have to change all the dapper to edgy in my sources list and make a apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:09] <Hobbsee> that's the way it always works
[07:09] <lnxkde> ok thankx
[07:10] <lnxkde> can I install KDE 4 svn it?
[07:11] <lnxkde> eny KDE 4 sources for edgy ?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> no
[07:12] <lnxkde> ok
[07:12] <Hobbsee> i dunno about kde 4 svn...
[07:12] <Hobbsee> probably
[07:12] <Hobbsee> no edgy sources though
[07:12] <lnxkde> it will be nice kde4svn sources for kubuntu edgy :) testing all the new stuff :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> maybe, we'll see :P
[07:13] <Hobbsee> lets get the other stuff ready first, then maybe play with kde 4
[07:13] <Hobbsee> @time paris
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Paris: June 20 2006, 07:13:28
[07:13] <lnxkde> well my time to sleep have come :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hmmm...darn
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:13] <lnxkde> see you laterz
[07:13] <lnxkde> see you all guys :)
[07:13] <lnxkde> bye
[07:13] <Hobbsee> bye
[07:36] <nixternal> there should be some action here soon since it is after 7:30..unless of course everyone is still passed out due to...you know ;)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hah, excessive amounts of beer?
[07:38] <Hobbsee> i think that had to wait till the last night, didnt it?  :P
[07:38] <nixternal> im sure it did
[07:41] <raphink> @time Nice
[07:41] <raphink> stupid bot
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[07:42] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:43] <raphink> how are you?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> raphink: was fighting with multiple pbuilders and scripts, but i have come out victorious!
[07:43] <raphink> great :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[07:44] <raphink> what was/were the issue(s) ?
[07:44] <nixternal> raphink: you and i are both bad...we both call the bot stupid
[07:44] <Hobbsee> had to figure out how to adapt my build script to use a set config script
[07:44] <nixternal> and the bot can't respond ;)
[07:44] <raphink> nixternal: which just proves the point
[07:44] <nixternal> haha right
[07:44] <Hobbsee> raphink: i usually end up using the pdebuild, not pbuilder build *.dsc, so i had to figure out if that would still work, and how to load the config file i wanted (covered in the man pages)
[07:45] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and then how to get an edgy pbuilder (copy dapper one, upgrade it, override config)
[07:45] <raphink> yep
[07:45] <Hobbsee> and get them all to stay in /home, not in /var/cache/*
[07:45] <raphink> the edgy pbuilder doesn't work yet iirc
[07:45] <raphink> I had to set an edgy chroot for this reason
[07:45] <Hobbsee> it does - copy dapper, upgrade with --override-config
[07:46] <Hobbsee> it's just debhelper that's still borked
[07:46] <raphink> Hobbsee: I couldn't build doing that
[07:46] <raphink> yep
[07:46] <Hobbsee> raphink: you couldnt?
[07:46] <raphink> whereas in a chroot you could force installing debhelper
[07:46] <Hobbsee> true, i think
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:48] <Hobbsee> raphink: try cleaning the pbuilder, copying the base.tar.gz and the other files (not the apt.config) and then sudo pbuilder update --override config
[07:48] <Hobbsee> raphink: try cleaning the pbuilder, copying the base.tar.gz and the other files (not the apt.config) and then sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[07:48] <Hobbsee> or just create a new dapper one, then upgrade it
[07:48] <Hobbsee> take your pick
[07:48] <raphink> yes
[07:48] <raphink> I know how to do ;)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought - which is why i was surprised you hadnt been able to make it work quicker than i had
[07:50] <raphink> well I guess I tried to upgrade it on a bad day
[07:50] <raphink> anyway, my machine is in pieces now
[07:50] <raphink> my sister is getting it here tonight
[07:50] <raphink> from Paris
[07:50] <raphink> so I'll have my build machine in local ;)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:51] <raphink> she's coming for a few days and said "at least I can have the internet at home"
[07:51] <raphink> and I said to her : "sure, if you bring a computer, cause I'm bringing mine to work"
[07:51] <raphink> ;)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:51] <raphink> so she's bringing my desktop :)
[07:52] <raphink> although I got a desktop at work yesterday ;)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> hiya \sh 
[08:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: nice, one can never have too many computers :P
[08:18] <raphink> sure
[08:18] <raphink> hehe
[08:18] <\sh> moins
[08:19] <\sh> sarah joined, sarah quit...frightend to talk with me ?
[08:19] <raphink> moinmoin
[08:19] <\sh> rotfl
[08:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: not at all
[08:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:20] <\sh> raphink: are you in paris now?
[08:20] <raphink> I wish I were \h
[08:20] <raphink> but no
[08:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: the first time was to just see if i could keep my kde sound while having TS running, and the second time i left cos it looked like no one was around and active
[08:20] <raphink> I'm on the riviera, about to go to work
[08:21] <\sh> raphink: that's a shame...you should be there...can you use TS in your office?
[08:21] <raphink> we are 8 people in my office
[08:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: I just joined .. looks like we are the first ones alive
[08:21] <raphink> I mean in the room
[08:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: actually, yeah, you're just big and scary :P
[08:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: i think so too, shame on them.
[08:21] <\sh> BIG and SCARY?
[08:22] <\sh> raphink: I have 30 people around me, and I just use it...I don't care about the others when it goes to talk to the others :)
[08:22] <raphink> hehe
[08:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: I'm not a big mean scary beast...well, not all day long ;)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:23] <Hobbsee> sure sure...
[08:24] <nixternal> \sh just most of the day right :D
[08:24] <\sh> nixternal: yeah...and during the night I'm a real nice guy...when I sleep
[08:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:24] <Hobbsee> this thing is being highly annoying.
[08:24] <nixternal> everytime you log onto jabber..you are a big mean scary beast...as your pictures lights up the top right hand corner of my desktop letting me know you have logged on ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> lol
[08:25] <nixternal> im nixternal on everything
[08:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: there :P
[08:25] <nixternal> aim, msn, yahoo, gmail, jabber.kubuntu.de
[08:25] <nixternal> you name it
[08:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here pretty much - except for aim
[08:26] <Hobbsee> i couldnt have hobbsee for aim, so i didnt bother.
[08:26] <nixternal> lol
[08:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: hobbsee@jabber.org
[08:26] <nixternal> i don't have anybody
[08:26] <nixternal> ;)
[08:26] <Hobbsee> morning \sh 
[08:26] <\sh> hehe
[08:26] <nixternal> i have 6 messanger accounts and like 3 full time contacts
[08:26] <nixternal> my brother, my x, and \sh
[08:26] <nixternal> lol
[08:27] <Hobbsee> \sh: there you go, i can talk :P
[08:27] <nixternal> but i get messages all day long from people out of the forums
[08:27] <\sh> Hobbsee: hehehe
[08:27] <\sh> hobbsee has a voice...really :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:28] <Hobbsee> i do, i just try not to use it.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: adn other devs - feel free to add.
[08:28] <nixternal> anyone alive on ts yet?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: \sh and myself, yes
[08:28] <nixternal> lol
[08:28] <nixternal> thats it?
[08:28] <\sh> and /me goes and have a smokers bof now..
[08:28] <nixternal> they are hungover for sure in paris then ;)
[08:28] <nixternal> smokin' = bad
[08:29] <Hobbsee> true
[08:29] <Hobbsee> urgh
[08:29] <nixternal> hehe
[08:29] <nixternal> i quit 3 years ago
[08:29] <nixternal> woohoo
[08:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: feel free to join on TS
[08:29] <nixternal> roger that
[08:29] <nixternal> lemme hook my killer $1 headset up ;)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:31] <nixternal> i forgot my key to talk
[08:31] <nixternal> LOL
[08:31] <Hobbsee> lol!
[08:31] <Hobbsee> set a new one - just not spacebar :P
[08:31] <nixternal> haha
[08:32] <nixternal> it is the windows key
[08:32] <Hobbsee> ah, well you should be able to remember that
[08:32] <nixternal> can you hear me at all?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no
[08:32] <nixternal> hmm
[08:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in alsamixer, turn the mic up full, then hit f4
[08:33] <Hobbsee> check that LR capture is above mic, and turn up the gain to about 80
[08:33] <nixternal> it worked b4
[08:33] <Hobbsee> check that the mic boost is on too
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[08:34] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[08:35] <raphink> hop
[08:35] <Hobbsee> bye raphink - enjoy!
[08:36] <Lure> anybody participated on UDS over TS? I can not as firewall at work does not let me through :-(
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Lure: bits and pieces - they're having a lot of trouble with it
[08:37] <Hobbsee> not everyone has mics - it's quite static-y
[08:37] <Hobbsee> but i'ts better than nothing
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mostly.
[08:37] <Lure> ok, I will just follow wiki page update and ping Riddell if I need ;-)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay hehe
[08:45] <\sh> nixternal: I didn't hear you on TS :) say something
[08:45] <nixternal> my mic isn't working all of a sudden
[08:45] <\sh> I see you mic is open but nothing comes through
[08:45] <nixternal> let me reboot 
[08:46] <nixternal> my mic was working earlier...
[08:59] <Riddell> hi Lure 
[08:59] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[08:59] <Riddell> moring Hobbsee 
[08:59] <Riddell> morning
[09:00] <Riddell> thingy
[09:00] <Hobbsee> yeah.  morning at 5pm :P
[09:00] <\sh> moins Riddell ... already had a nice caf au lait?
[09:01] <Riddell> I had some fruit salad and grapefruit juice thank you
[09:01] <\sh> not a typical french breakfast ;)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hehe  - you'll have to find him one tomorrow \sh 
[09:05] <Riddell> hmm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-20/
[09:06] <Hobbsee> nothing kde based there, that i see. hmmm.
[09:06] <Riddell> yes, hmm
[09:07] <Riddell> I need to talk to mdz
[09:07] <Hobbsee> go find him?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh cool, you made it to TS :P
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: where are you? :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i think he was searching out mdz or something
[09:26] <mornfall> he's at the table now ;-)
[09:27] <mornfall> *yawn*
[09:28] <nixternal> ARGH
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes, so i see with my extra good eyes :P
[09:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: any other tricks you can think of?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hmmm...about the mic?  not really
[09:30] <nixternal> its weird because it worked fine yesterday
[09:30] <mornfall> sup?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> his mic is buggered
[09:31] <nixternal> sblive
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[09:31] <nixternal> which is oss from the looks of lsmod
[09:35] <Riddell> Kubuntu Schedule!  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuParisSummit
[09:35] <Riddell> where's Tonio__?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what day?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> that's today?
[09:37] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm there why ?
[09:37] <Riddell> Tonio__: I can't see you
[09:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's today yes
[09:37] <raphink> IRC : the place where you can find people you can't see in real life
[09:38] <seaLne> :)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> darn, wish i could be there for the poewr management
[09:38] <kwwii> hehe
[09:38] <mornfall> well
[09:38] <mornfall> the wireless here is not particularly good
[09:38] <Tonio__> Riddell: look at elmo's table
[09:38] <mornfall> it's from t he posiedon place
[09:38] <mornfall> so closer to that could be better
[09:38] <mornfall> people with ideas where it is? :)
[09:38] <Riddell> where's elmo!
[09:39] <kwwii> hiding from you
[09:40] <mornfall> i actually prefer quiet place to a good network
[09:40] <mornfall> i get link quality somewhere around 30%, very jumpy
[09:41] <mornfall> just no power plugs
[09:42] <mornfall> there's some power and same crappy signal outside of the atlas room
[09:43] <mornfall> however, as far as i go, the atlas room itself is pretty useless
[09:44] <Hobbsee> mornfall: run a very long cable?
[09:44] <mornfall> not that i have one :p
[09:44] <Hobbsee> find one :P
[09:46] <mornfall> Sirenia -- Seven Sirens and a Silver Tear
[09:46] <mornfall> i don't even have an AP
[09:47] <mornfall> to hook on it
[09:47] <Hobbsee> ah :(
[09:47] <mornfall> or a switch
[09:47] <mornfall> The Gathering -- Saturnine
[09:48] <mornfall> i'll go downstairs again, bbiab
[09:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall: what the heck is that?  some script or somthing?
[09:48] <kwwii> mornfall: I have a really long cable if you need one
[10:00] <\sh> hey kwwii
[10:01] <mornfall> great, 25 packets transmitted, 25 received, 0% packet loss, time 25435ms
[10:02] <mornfall> link quality floats just below 50%
[10:02] <kwwii> ouch
[10:02] <mornfall> seems stable
[10:04] <mornfall> i'm even on AC
[10:05] <mornfall> if someone gets a powerstrip, it should be fine
[10:06] <Riddell> mornfall: using wifi?
[10:07] <Riddell> \sh: we're watching a talk just now, session not yet started
[10:07] <\sh> Riddell: ok...anyways..I'll record the bof :) have a meeting now 
[10:07] <mornfall> Riddell: yes
[10:08] <ervin> tada!
[10:09] <Hobbsee> heya ervin 
[11:11] <Riddell> seaLne: what's moving about?
[11:12] <seaLne> the bug reporter name is now top right
[12:28] <seaLne> anyone got a couple of min to help me try to understand a debian patch to k3b? 5th section of changes on http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b?op=comp&compare%5B%5D=%2Fk3b%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fproject%2Faudiometainforenamer%2F@23&compare%5B%5D=%2Fk3b%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fproject%2Faudiometainforenamer%2F@161&manualorder=1 kde_module_LTLIBRARIES
[12:31] <seaLne> audiometainforenamer and audioprojectcddb are the only plugins/project stuff to use lib_LTLIBRARIES rather than kde_module_LTLIBRARIES is this a bug fix to upstream?
[12:34] <\sh> changelog of debian maintainer?
[12:34] <allee> Riddell: hi, saw your changes to KubuntuLaptopButtons changes.  Why is the plan to restrict, e.g., XFAudioPlay to amarok?  Wouldn't it be better if e.g. a video player has focus to let this app catch the key event?  One can assign several keycodes to an KDE action.
[12:37] <seaLne> \sh: i'm trying to match, nasty everything in the diff.gz file, to what they do and seperate them out to merge back with us
[12:37] <seaLne> i cna't see anyting obvious that relates to it
[12:42] <\sh> seaLne: well, it's a change in the autofoo build system..I think there is an upstream issue with using lib_LTLIBRARIES, because those modules are more DSOs, which are not linked but loaded at runtime...so kde_module_LTLIBRARIES is a special macro for it, to tag them as DSO/plugins/whatever
[12:43] <\sh> seaLne: is this a difference between debian and upstream? this autofoo change in k3b?
[12:44] <seaLne> well changing lib_LTLIBRARIES to kde_module_LTLIBRARIES in plugins/project/audioprojectcddb/Makefile.am and plugins/project/audiometainforenamer/Makefile.am
[12:47] <freeflying> amarok-1.4.1 support gstreamer again
[12:47] <\sh> seaLne: yes, but it's not from upstream version 0.12.15? 
[12:47] <seaLne> no its debian change to upstream
[12:59] <seaLne> \sh very weird it was fixed in svn 10 months ago
[01:02] <\sh> seaLne: debian svn or upstream svn?
[01:03] <seaLne> kdesvn
[01:04] <seaLne> atleast that explains where the patch came from
[01:27] <Riddell> allee: sure, add to that page for kaffeine too
[01:59] <Riddell> hi Lure_ 
[02:01] <Lure_> Riddell: hi - I will not be able to participate over TS, as it does not work through firewall at work :-(
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:32] <allee> hi Hobbsee 
[02:32] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hi allee - LTNS!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i got it working :D
[02:34] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, had wonderful holidays and the stressful time to only halfway catch up with what happened ;)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nice, but what is "it" heheh
[02:36] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: some guy publish binary kopete-0,12 with jingle support on kde-apps.org
[02:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: multiple pbuilders, like i was fighting with earlier
[02:36] <imbrandon> ahhh great
[02:36] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: great :)
[02:36] <imbrandon> very good news
[02:36] <freeflying|away> but still don't know how can he do that  :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: unpack it?
[02:38] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no, he has no source package 
[02:38] <Hobbsee> isnt it possible to unpack debs?
[02:39] <imbrandon> yea Hobbsee but it may not contain the src
[02:39] <imbrandon> only binary
[02:39] <Hobbsee> you'd only need the control file
[02:39] <imbrandon> maybe if he dident patch something ;)
[02:40] <uniq> hobbsee: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh is nice for multiple distros and pbuilder.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> uniq: yes, it's listed on the !pbuilder link too, and a modified version ofi t
[02:41] <uniq> ok, i didn't know that :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:42] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: sure, you can unpack binary package using dpkg
[02:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: was there anything interesting in the meetings?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: and wouldnt that get you to the source?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> or it doesnt work that way?
[02:42] <uniq> back to work.
[02:42] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: ya
[02:43] <seaLne> wouldn't that just give you lots of binary files and some scripts?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> therefore wouldnt you just copy the stuff in the control file as a result?
[02:43] <freeflying|away> seaLne: true
[02:44] <seaLne> don't think it gives you enough of debian/ ?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[02:44] <freeflying|away> no, just scripts for install and control file for binary's only
[02:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no i think they all gavce up on voip, thus i'm on my quest to make a better voip solution , and looking at existing ones 
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay..
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any summaries of them, or are they in the specs?
[02:48] <Lure> Hobbsee: me too (regarding power) ;-)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> okay, i wonder how this gobby works...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> neat, but no one's on it.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: how's life in your part of the world?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> hmmm not bad, its only 3pm and about to go upstairs for a BOF im beside henrik, Janimo and TheMuso
[02:58] <Hobbsee> what BOF?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont see a gobby session about it
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: power isn't written up
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how'd it go?
[03:17] <Riddell> well I thought it went great :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you decide on much, or we'll just wait to hear...
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we decided to write our own one
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice :)
[04:10] <Lure> Riddell: own PM GUI?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you interested in amarok 1.4.1 beta 1 packages, btw?
[04:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay.  one of the build deps isnt actually in kubuntu - only in your kde 3.5.3 packages
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just build them against kde 3.5.3 then
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the dep?
[04:23] <jsgotangco> that kde kiosk mode is nice
[04:23] <Riddell> jsgotangco: you saw arran's demo?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: libexscalibar1-dev
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Riddell: we're here upstairs for edubuntu
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Riddell: we'll be comparing it with sabayon tomorrow
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's from my amarok packages I think
[04:24] <Riddell> so just reuse the same package
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm...wonder how you do that...
[04:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: install it on your system and make sure the package is included in any archive you put amarok into
[04:27] <Hobbsee> i was running it thru a pbuilder...but ok
[04:27] <Riddell> oh, dunno about with pbuilder
[04:27] <Riddell> I'd just use a plain chroot
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm...drat
[04:28] <Hobbsee> guess i'll have to figure out how to make a chroot then.
[04:28] <Riddell> sudo debootstrap --variant buildd mychrootdir dapper
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd
[04:33] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/171289343/
[04:33] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:33] <bddebian> Hello folks
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian!
[04:34] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell - looks like people think you've got a distro named after you hehe
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:39] <Hobbsee> okay, i get idiot of the day award.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> *shines it*
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Where would you like your name?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> on the plaque or the glowing hologram above it?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i dunno.  darn, it *still* doesnt want to work.  imbrandon wants to do it :P
[04:42] <imbrandon> i got the chroot already setup with kde3.5.3
[04:42] <imbrandon> what needs building ?
[04:42] <\sh> jsgotangco: hehe....
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Ok So what do I need to read to build a deb for Ubuntu?
[04:43] <apachelogger> re
[04:43] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, lots of things ;)
[04:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: had a look at kopete?
[04:44] <imbrandon> apachelogger, he put it up on ~riddell/kopete   with the changes you me and freeflying made
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger 
[04:44] <apachelogger> ahoy Hobbsee
[04:44] <imbrandon> and Hobbsee ^^ hehe
[04:44] <apachelogger> imbrandon: cool
[04:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: did you get my email RE kopete, and the changes that i wanted made to it?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ie, did they occur?
[04:45] <seaLne> i think https://launchpad.net/bugs/50454 is a won't fix reject?
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50454 in kdebase "KDM should display users list" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Thanks Hobbsee
[04:45] <DaSkreech> can ubotu pipe as well? :)
[04:45] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: don't think so
[04:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah
[04:45] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea thats just a kdm theme issue 
[04:45] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: would have been from hobbsee@kubuntu.org
[04:46] <apachelogger> nothing :S
[04:46] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i can tell you here anyway, if you didnt get it - did you add the jasper b-d?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> and d?
[04:46] <apachelogger> japser b and d?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: requires libjasper-runtime as a dep, and libjasper-1.701-dev as a build-dep - i'm havent tested without the second one there, but i'm fairly sure it would need both
[04:47] <Hobbsee> and that brings in the other jasper package as a shlibdepends
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and i wanted to be mentioned in the changelog too :P
[04:48] <apachelogger> libjasper(dev) is depend of kdelibs(dev)/kdebase(dev)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh is it?  cool
[04:48] <apachelogger> you're in changelog of latest revision ;-)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> just the libjasper-runtime then
[04:48] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2435
[04:48] <apachelogger> yep
[04:48] <Hobbsee> heh, i think i'm in the initial debianization too :P
[04:48] <apachelogger> well
[04:49] <Hobbsee> but yeah
[04:49] <apachelogger> not very much stuff from you ;-)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:49] <Hobbsee> yes, i started it, then handed it onto freeflying when i was having trouble getting it to build.
[04:49] <apachelogger> though I have no problem with, if you want me to I'll edit that
[04:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: the reason i dont upload much in the way of source packages is that i have a fairly slow upload connection :P
[04:49] <DaSkreech> 56k?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i think it's 128
[04:50] <Hobbsee> lucky you :P
[04:50] <imbrandon> up
[04:51] <apachelogger> :P
[04:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i know i'm being painful, but i would, yeah :)
[04:56] <apachelogger> up we go :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: :) thanks
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where that?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Hi Riddell
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's what in particular?  oh, it was in #kubuntu
[05:15] <Riddell> Lure: so, power manager stuff
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: distro named after me
[05:15] <Hobbsee> yes, #kubuntu
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: speak up! ;-)
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: klaptopdaemon is crap but kpowersave and powersaved duplicates far too much stuff that's in ubuntu already
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: if you look at gnome-power-manager it's not a lot of code
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: correct
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: so writing a frontend to HAL that does brightness shouldn'b too hard
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: because of gnome's simplicity to the minimum...
[05:17] <Riddell> Lure: we had ervin here who's doing Solid and he says it would be a good test case for Solid
[05:17] <Lure> Solid is based on dbus/hal?
[05:17] <Riddell> s/brightness/brightness and suspend etc/
[05:17] <Riddell> Lure: it will have a hal backend yes
[05:17] <Lure> but Solid is kde4, right?
[05:17] <\sh> "Solid"?
[05:18] <Riddell> we wouldn't use solid but it would show that you can use hal with kde
[05:18] <Lure> ok, so it will show the way for Solid...
[05:18] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[05:19] <Lure> So we need kde-guidance PM module and new tray module, right?
[05:19] <Riddell> yes
[05:19] <Lure> or would you do all config just in tray like gpm?
[05:19] <Riddell> probaly all from the tray
[05:20] <Lure> there should not be much if we go with minimalistic aproach...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> tray - if most people cant figure out how to install a theme thru system settings, they wont be able to get the laptop thing working either :P
[05:20] <Lure> we probably need to spec what we want to have in
[05:21] <Riddell> Lure: yes, I'm writing that now, and we've got notes on the config UI from el
[05:21] <Lure> good...
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they won't eed to work anythin out, it should work fine out the box
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true, but sometimes people like changing their settings
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[05:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: the only setting is probably what to do on Suspend key and what to do on low-power condition (if we look like gpm)
[05:22] <DaSkreech> \sh: http://solid.kde.org
[05:22] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: true - would there be different settings for if the laptop is on AC vs battery power?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> like in kpowersave?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> or would we lose that?
[05:23] <Tonio_> hey Lure
[05:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, we'd have different settings for plugged in and unplugged
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[05:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe - if we think it is important... But the issue with schema/profile is that it is hard to set it properly and then users do not do it at all
[05:24] <Lure> this is why good defaults are better than complex config options (imho)
[05:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: who said that I will write the code ;-)?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: true...maybe blank screen screensaver on battery power?  suspends more quickly on battery than on AC
[05:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: our super-Riddell will do it (we have seen his powers with Dapper ;-))
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: true, oh, you were on *looking at the code* duty, not writing it
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Super Cow powers?
[05:26] <imbrandon> Ponnie Powers
[05:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: noyoucannothaveapony.
[05:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, I think we need to write use-cases like the one you mention above and then discuss what make sense and what now
[05:26] <Lure> s/now/not/
[05:26] <mornfall> what what?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> heya mornfall - you can go back to sleep :P
[05:26] <mornfall> i was not asleep
[05:26] <mornfall> :'(
[05:27] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, it's time for me to sleep, not you to
[05:27] <Lure> as much as I like kpowersave interface, I have also found out that at the end I do not use it that much, therefore it is questionable if needed in whole
[05:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, edgy eft +11 == Power Pony  kthxbye
[05:27] <mornfall> wtf?
[05:28] <imbrandon> mornfall, its a running joke in -devel / -motu about ponies
[05:28] <bddebian> heh
[05:28] <mornfall> the wtf goes to the kthxbye
[05:28] <DaSkreech>  /. ?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: +1
[05:28] <imbrandon> ahh thats a l337 h4xor joke ( bad one at that )
[05:28] <mornfall> (which is basically an euphemism for go fuck yourself as far is i know)
[05:29] <bddebian> h4XX0r, come on man :)
[05:29] <imbrandon> mornfall, basicly unless ment in the playfull way it was said ;)
[05:29] <mornfall> ookey
[05:30] <imbrandon> lol @ bddebian
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mornfall: also a satire of the "oh please can you help me questoins, when they leave about 30 seconds later"
[05:31] <mornfall> Riddell: could you maybe poke el whether she has my headphones? :))
[05:31] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm in my room
[05:32] <mornfall> damn
[05:32] <mornfall> let's try ervin
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Where's the paris-following-page?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: /topic
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Ah knew I saw it somewhere :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:33] <imbrandon> Riddell, while in paris hold a gun to the person responsible for the cert warning and make them fix it infront of you LOL
[05:34] <Hobbsee> +25 imbrandon 
[05:34] <Hobbsee> just make sure you dont fire it :P
[05:34] <Riddell> that might not be a popular idea if we killed the canonical sysadmin
[05:34] <imbrandon> right right , no bullets in the gun, just scare them ;)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:35] <imbrandon> haha
[05:35] <Riddell> and we might find a lot of unanswered support requests in future after that
[05:35] <imbrandon> lol
[05:35] <imbrandon> right right , no bullets in the gun, just scare them ;)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you wouldnt want his job instead?
[05:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, *still building*
[05:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:36] <DaSkreech> http://italy.copybase.ch/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[05:36] <DaSkreech> ^^ Insta broken system ^^
[05:37] <\sh> DaSkreech: kinda
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i'd hate to think how long it would take here then.
[05:37] <imbrandon> shiznit
[05:37] <imbrandon> just errored
[05:37] <imbrandon> *looks*
[05:38] <imbrandon> right at the end too when doing the dh_*
[05:38] <imbrandon> grrr
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, pictures!
[05:39] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/archives/date-posted/2006/06/19/detail/ has my pics
[05:39] <nixternal> moin everyone
[05:39] <Riddell> and we got dapper CDs!
[05:40] <Riddell> hola nixternal 
[05:40] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[05:40] <imbrandon> DAPPER CD!!!
[05:40] <Hobbsee> well, a blog and pictures :P
[05:40] <imbrandon> you suxor
[05:40] <\sh> uh oh ah...aron looks awful .. 
[05:40] <imbrandon> Riddell, those from paris ?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> that was just scary.
[05:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[05:41] <Hobbsee> dodgem cars, i was never allowed on them :(
[05:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whyever not?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: age limit of >12
[05:41] <imbrandon> lol
[05:42] <nixternal> i still ride em any chance i get ;)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> errr where did you ride the bumpcar? disneyland?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: was that to me?
[05:42] <nixternal> jsgotangco: you know kiddie land?
[05:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: crazy
[05:42] <jsgotangco> no
[05:42] <nixternal> chicago
[05:42] <Riddell> jsgotangco: in the village down the road, they had a fete on Sunday
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:42] <Hobbsee> and then luna park closed down pretty soon after that - and dad's work didnt give us all tickets there again :P
[05:43] <DaSkreech> There is work to get Ubuntu on OLPC?
[05:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: we have some OLPC people here, but red hat is mostly funding it
[05:44] <Riddell> well, mostly as in more than any other distro
[05:44] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I know. What place would Ubuntu have?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> It's a medium priority on the Paris schedule
[05:44] <Riddell> some of their customers might want to run ubuntu on it
[05:45] <jsgotangco> DaSkreech: its rodovarus' job to do that =)
[05:45] <Riddell> but I don't care either way, it's unlikely to have KDE on it
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:45] <imbrandon> food THEN sleep ;)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580748
[05:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee / Riddell .... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/721141
[05:46] <Hobbsee> oh, looks like we're going to have a fun bit for our next kubuntu meeting too...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hah, nice
[05:46] <Hobbsee> a user talking about the privacy settings of kopete
[05:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: *.pastebin.com is dying...
[05:47] <imbrandon> i see , whats another pastebin 
[05:47] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonQuestions
[05:47] <Hobbsee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ignore the first link - copy key didnt work correctly
[05:48] <imbrandon> lol i was like wtf
[05:48] <imbrandon> lol
[05:48] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16091
[05:48] <imbrandon> ^^ Hobbsee / Riddell
[05:49] <nixternal> i want a kubuntu mug ;(
[05:49] <raphink> nixternal: I have one right here
[05:49] <raphink> with a hot tea in it :)
[05:49] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:49] <nixternal> where did you get it?
[05:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: you're probably missing some build-dep
[05:49] <imbrandon> cafeepress will make a mug with any logo
[05:49] <nixternal> finish the tea and email me the cup ;)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Yeah bring that up in Paris :)
[05:50] <raphink> nixternal: at linuxtag :)
[05:50] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:50] <Riddell> kubuntu.de has kubuntu mugs
[05:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, i installed all it called for 
[05:50] <nixternal> roger that...im on it
[05:50] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: See It's even Kustomizable. It's much more KDE like :-)
[05:50] <raphink> apt-get install kubuntu-mug
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: libvisual0.2-dev is a b-d?
[05:50] <imbrandon> but i used the debian dir from 1.4.0a
[05:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2457
[05:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, not sure i'll look
[05:50] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: you use 1.4.0's rules for amarok-1.4.1-beta1 ?
[05:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's changed?
[05:51] <apachelogger> debianizer is now Hobbsee, dep against jasper-runtime
[05:51] <nixternal> [10:50]  <raphink> apt-get install kubuntu-mug
[05:51] <nixternal> what repository is that in ?
[05:51] <raphink> goodies
[05:51] <nixternal> superduperverse
[05:51] <imbrandon> deb cafepress.com ./
[05:52] <imbrandon> superdeverse LOL
[05:52] <nixternal> deb will work with a .com extenesion?
[05:52] <raphink> deb http://kubuntu.org/ubuntu dapper goodies
[05:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er, libvisual0.2-dev is already a b-d
[05:52] <raphink> nixternal: sure 
[05:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: cool
[05:53] <raphink> nixternal: did you ever notice that you use archive.ubuntu.COM in your sources.list ?
[05:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea it is
[05:53] <imbrandon> *thinks*
[05:53] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, yes i did
[05:53] <nixternal> ahhh ga
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe
[05:54] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: heh, you'd modify it
[05:55] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[05:55] <DaSkreech> nigh Hobbsee
[05:55] <DaSkreech> .o0(Mushrooms?)
[05:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be complete now - finally ;-)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> should, yes :P
[05:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, is there a better way to build 1.4.1 other than comping the debian/* from 1.4.0a ? IE whats the prefered way ?
[05:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: that sounds like the best way
[05:58] <imbrandon> hrm ok , here is what i did
[05:59] <imbrandon> i make the orig.tar.gz from the upstream tar.bz2 and then untared it , copied the debian/* from 1.4.0a and changed the changelog and debuild ( did a apt-get build-dep amarok before all that )
[05:59] <imbrandon> thats the error from debuild
[05:59] <imbrandon> hrm ....
[06:00] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: also you may add the amarok-gstreamer,this release support gstreamer 
[06:01] <apachelogger> nah
[06:01] <apachelogger> better don't do that
[06:01] <apachelogger> gst is kind of absolutely not working
[06:01] <apachelogger> only local media
[06:01] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, if i can get it to build yes ( even though xine is better IMHO lol )
[06:01] <apachelogger> streams will crash, or lag lag lag
[06:01] <apachelogger> btw
[06:02] <apachelogger> the problem is that 1.4.1-beta1 depends on libvisual 0.4
[06:02] <apachelogger> not 0.2
[06:02] <imbrandon> hrm looks
[06:02] <apachelogger> to quote myself: "* Now libvisual 0.4 is needed for visualisations" ;-)
[06:02] <imbrandon> doh
[06:02] <imbrandon> ok lemme go change that
[06:03] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: to meet the build-dep you'd add kubuntu's repo 
[06:03] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, i did / have
[06:03] <kwwii> re
[06:03] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, i have all the kubuntu repos in the chroot
[06:03] <imbrandon> apachelogger, E: Couldn't find package libvisual0.4-dev
[06:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: might need to package that too?
[06:04] <apachelogger> 0.4 is not in repo
[06:04] <imbrandon> nice
[06:04] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <imbrandon> apachelogger, got the src deb's for it ?
[06:05] <imbrandon> or should i just grab upstream
[06:05] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <Hobbsee> besides, how do you have src debs?  isnt that an oxymoron?
[06:06] <apachelogger> somehow :P
[06:06] <imbrandon> src for the debs
[06:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:06] <apachelogger> imbrandon: so, sources for ...?
[06:06] <apachelogger> libvis or Amarok?
[06:06] <imbrandon> amarok
[06:06] <imbrandon> err
[06:06] <imbrandon> libvis
[06:06] <apachelogger> nope
[06:06] <imbrandon> i got amarok
[06:06] <apachelogger> I'm not sure whether 0.4 is in debian at all
[06:06] <imbrandon> probbly not
[06:09] <nixternal> nite Hobbsee
[06:10] <mornfall> night Hobbsee 
[06:10] <apachelogger> knite Hobbsee
[06:11] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: hahahahaha!
[06:12] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: huh?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Instead of Gnight. Knite?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I have someone in the office nearly the same way
[06:14] <apachelogger> hehe
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Won't use anything with a k in it Esp. if it's at the start of the word/name/sentence
[06:14] <apachelogger> just for the holy Krail ;-)
[06:17] <Riddell> at the channel
[06:18] <goldenear> Hi Riddell
[06:18] <Riddell> hi goldenear, where are you?
[06:18] <goldenear> Sorry I had many work during the last couple of day
[06:19] <seaLne> boab also no longer has kubuntu-desktop
[06:19] <goldenear> Riddell: I should be at the conference tomorrow afternoon
[06:19] <Riddell> goldenear: great
[06:20] <Riddell> goldenear: bring a sleepnig bag, you can sleep with the others on the floor of my room :)
[06:20] <Riddell> seaLne: actually not for edgy, but good point
[06:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, thought you was asleep ;)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> haha, that could be fun :P
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: !! Bed!!!
[06:20] <Hobbsee> yeah well...i'm going i'm going..
[06:20] <Hobbsee> my room is lit only by my computer screen now, does that count?
[06:21] <imbrandon> and dont take the laptop to bed with you
[06:21] <goldenear> Riddell: I hope we'll have time to speak about oskar
[06:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah - it overheats if i do that :P
[06:21] <Riddell> goldenear: will you be here any other days?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> well, it might
[06:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:21] <goldenear> Riddell: I will try to do it
[06:22] <goldenear> Riddell: It depends on my work.. if they don't need me, I will be with you :)
[06:22] <Riddell> right
[06:22] <Riddell> we should be able to schedule in oskar UI session for tomorrow
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do you know anything about landscape?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wow, what's the diagram thing made out of ?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> that looks really nice!
[06:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: inkscape
[06:24] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nothing
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Who would>
[06:24] <Riddell> DaSkreech: jane silb
[06:24] <Riddell> silber
[06:24] <DaSkreech> I get kind fo worried when empty packages get installed on everyon'e computer
[06:25] <DaSkreech> ubuntu-devel?
[06:25] <Riddell> she's not on ubuntu-devel
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Ah. No place I can have a quick chat?
[06:25] <goldenear> Riddell: Great, also tomorrow is "la fte de la musique"... I hope we could go for a walk in Paris. There we'll be many people playing music :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> uh oh...i hear thumping...*sneaks quickly and quietly off to bed before she gets yelled at*
[06:25] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you'd need to e-mail her
[06:26] <Riddell> goldenear: yes, people have said we have to go to Paris to see it
[06:26] <Riddell> goldenear: how are you getting here? another car might be handy
[06:26] <goldenear> Riddell: I'll guide you if want :)
[06:26] <Riddell> jane.silber@canonical.com
[06:27] <goldenear> Riddell: I've will take the RER (train) I have no car here in Paris (too boring)
[06:28] <Riddell> ok
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: where are you ?
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: in my room
[06:31] <Tonio_> ah okay sorry ;)
[06:32] <Riddell> anything fun downstairs?
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: except aaron showing stupid videos, that quite calm :)
[06:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, how can i get rid of this annoying message in chroot when i build something
[06:58] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[06:58] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:59] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LANGUAGE = (unset),
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[06:59] <imbrandon>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:59] <imbrandon> ...
[07:18] <apachelogger> imbrandon: set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in your chroot's env ;-)
[07:18] <imbrandon> thanks
[07:42] <\sh> re
[07:44] <jpatrick> f/d \sh
[07:44] <\sh> grmpf....forgot to screen -r brb
[07:52] <lnxkde> kde svn 4 debs on edgy>?
[07:53] <\sh> looks like
[07:53] <lnxkde> well time to edgy update :D
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Not yet!
[07:53] <lnxkde> :( why!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:54] <\sh> it's planned...
[07:54] <\sh> but edgy is too young for that
[07:54] <lnxkde> I see
[07:56] <DaSkreech> And KDE4 is young as well
[07:56] <DaSkreech> almost immoral :(
[07:59] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: You can go on making your alternate install in any case :)
[07:59] <lnxkde> yeah I will :)
[07:59] <lnxkde> but I dont have to much time lately
[07:59] <lnxkde> working my bussiness :)
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Then you are an apt-get dist-upgrade away from edgy
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Ah well
[07:59] <DaSkreech>  Blog it :) 
[08:00] <lnxkde> blof what?
[08:00] <lnxkde> blog what my bussines?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Oh no 
[08:00] <DaSkreech> That's boring :) 
[08:01] <DaSkreech> The Edgy update :)
[08:01] <lnxkde> :P
[08:01] <lnxkde> I will
[08:01] <lnxkde> busines is not boring!!!
[08:01] <lnxkde> when you are going to get more than 100,000 a years in 8 months it is not boring :D
[08:02] <lnxkde> a year*
[08:02] <DaSkreech> But ... it's not KDE4 :(
[08:02] <lnxkde> lol
[08:02] <lnxkde> :)
[08:02] <lnxkde> yeah I know :)
[08:02] <bddebian> How can you get more than 100,000/year in 8 months? :-)
[08:03] <lnxkde> selling drugs :)
[08:03] <lnxkde> na!
[08:03] <lnxkde> I work with finances
[08:03] <lnxkde> I am building a bussiness on life insurance, securitys (stocks), Morgages
[08:04] <lnxkde> and some other services people need
[08:04] <DaSkreech> bddebian: very long weekends?
[08:04] <bddebian> :-)
[08:04] <lnxkde> bddebian u live were?
[08:04] <bddebian> US
[08:04] <lnxkde> nice
[08:05] <lnxkde> It is a busness that lets you build a francise  
[08:05] <lnxkde> it is part of citigroup :)
[08:06] <lnxkde> bddebian : www.primerica.com 
[08:07] <bddebian> Ah yes, I am familiar
[08:07] <bddebian> It's called a pyramind scheme ;-P
[08:08] <lnxkde> well some people talk about it like that but when you have to take federal licences and state licences and you are paryt of the most powerfull financial company ( citigroup) the pyramid like you say becomes a very powerfull and reliable oportunity :)
[08:10] <lnxkde> It is very nice :) the only thing get me mad about it 
[08:10] <lnxkde> is that the tools only run on windows :*(
[08:10] <bddebian> Made any money yet?
[08:12] <lnxkde> yea
[08:12] <lnxkde> I am right now at nice moment in the busness :)
[08:12] <lnxkde> one year here :)
[08:13] <lnxkde> I get pay as soon sell something
[08:14] <lnxkde> it takes like 5 days to get the money in my check acount :)
[08:14] <lnxkde> I just changed my focus to work fulltime on this
[08:14] <bddebian> So 1 year and you haven't sold anything? :-)
[08:14] <lnxkde> what is why in about 8 months or so I must be in very good income 
[08:14] <lnxkde> no, I have sold alot of things
[08:15] <lnxkde> I am just telling you how fast I get paid
[08:16] <lnxkde> next week I will get like 1,000 for this week activity :) that I hope today I have to nice apointments
[08:16] <lnxkde> but well
[08:16] <lnxkde> KDE 4 is nicer :p
[08:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[08:17] <DaSkreech> Where can I find a German Dictionary?
[08:17] <lnxkde> I just will like to see KDE4 and  plasma alpha realeses soon enoght
[08:19] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: got something good for ya Riddell
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Banannas?
[08:21] <imbrandon> amarok 1.4.1-beta1
[08:21] <linuxmonkey> and I love it
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Is there a kopete 0.12 in the repos?
[08:30] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no but its on ~/riddell for testing
[08:31] <imbrandon> bah gotta fix some depends
[08:31] <DaSkreech> ~/riddel?
[08:31] <imbrandon> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[08:32] <DaSkreech> of course :)
[08:53] <lnxkde> Riddell !!
[08:54] <lnxkde> Riddell nice litlle tv pic about linux :) and ubuntu in http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell 
[08:54] <lnxkde> got any more?
[08:54] <lnxkde> I like downloading videos about linux and nice opensource stuff
[09:02] <DaSkreech> TV pic?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> linuxmonkey does!!!
[09:03] <DaSkreech>  :)
[09:04] <claydoh> I would, if I could get a good 3d effect
[09:04] <claydoh> :)
[09:04] <linuxmonkey> i got Tux on my right arm
[09:05] <linuxmonkey> get tux he's gonna be around for a bit
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Food?
[09:06] <claydoh> ya, but it won't be "rebellious" it will be common and over used :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> I think Food will probably be relevant
[09:06] <DaSkreech> as long as it's not a pill by then :()
[09:06] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[09:07] <linuxmonkey> DaSkreech: in your case its gonna be via a tube
[09:07] <claydoh> although an obscenity in binary would be neat
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Why don't people ever encode messages ofgood will?
[09:09] <imbrandon> lol
[09:09] <linuxmonkey> lol 
[09:09] <imbrandon> kubuntu in binary
[09:09] <claydoh> dunno, tho an obcenity isn't necessarily bad will, just a dirty word
[09:10] <imbrandon> "Bill Gates to retire in 2008 but realy leave in 2010 becouse MS is always late kthxbye" in binary
[09:10] <imbrandon> or Unicode Hex :0
[09:10] <imbrandon> Unicode UTF-8 Hex
[09:11] <linuxmonkey> bill gates retire...ya right
[09:12] <linuxmonkey> its like that commercial hands in my pockets
[09:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: pong
[09:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: export LANG=C
[09:17] <linuxmonkey> Ridell whats up, he's compiling the new amarok_1.4.1-beta1
[09:17] <imbrandon> kk yea , i got amarok built and libvis 0.4 too
[09:18] <imbrandon> rebuilding after fixing something  now
[09:18] <imbrandon> then i'll upload
[09:18] <imbrandon> me and linuxmonkey and nixternal been trying ti out , its VERY nice
[09:19] <imbrandon> alot of UI inprovements over 1.4.0
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: you about done compiling the fixed version
[09:22] <imbrandon> yea its uploading now
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> lol kk
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> slow upload ...lol
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Hey It logged into AIM :)
[09:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping ..... uploaded ready for url ?
[09:54] <imbrandon> gah n/m just found something
[09:54] <imbrandon> *rebuilds*
[09:56] <DaSkreech> *laughs*
[09:56] <DaSkreech> I don't know if I can build Beats of Rage for Linux :(
[09:57] <imbrandon> i realy need to figure out how to get ccache and distcc working with debuild
[09:58] <imbrandon> lol
[09:58] <\sh> is anyone going to the TB meeting?
[09:58] <\sh> if so, please excuse my not attending the second time, but this umts connection is too unstable#
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any ideas on what would be emptying /etc/resolv.conf every 20 minutes?
[10:12] <crimsun> dhclient possibly, depending on the lease period
[10:12] <DaSkreech> dhclient?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Why?
[10:28] <toma> dhcp server distributes nameservers
[10:28] <toma> or doesnt in your case
[11:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping ( all done and tested this time lol )
[11:17] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:18] <imbrandon> anyone awake thats running kde 3.5.3 and wanna try the new amarok beta ?
[11:18] <crimsun> no, but I'm running Windows.
[11:19] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:19] <imbrandon> lol
[11:20] <linuxmonkey> do we dare ask why he's running windows
[11:20] <claydoh> no
[11:20] <imbrandon> i wouldent linuxmonkey
[11:20] <claydoh> maybe hes at werk
[11:20] <linuxmonkey> it must be hell for him
[11:20] <claydoh> it is for me
[11:20] <toma> he is testing kde4...
[11:20] <imbrandon> heh
[11:21] <linuxmonkey> lmao good one toma
[11:21] <imbrandon> windows vista , built on qt4 ;)
[11:21] <imbrandon> that would be too funny
[11:22] <linuxmonkey> i put in a request for linux at work and got denied in less than 2 seconds
[11:22] <claydoh> well we only have a POS system with 3 registers and 2 cheeep dell workstations, one is the POS server
[11:22] <claydoh> take POS in any way you wish
[11:23] <claydoh> its a POS POS
[11:23] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[11:23] <claydoh> *but* we are using OOo, and FF is installed
[11:23] <claydoh> the web interface simply does not work with FF ot Konq
[11:24] <claydoh> tho if I downgraded java to 1.4, i think the inventory system would work
[11:25] <imbrandon> heh
[11:25] <imbrandon> damn vendor lock in
[11:25] <claydoh> amarok isn't any harder to compile than usuaal?
[11:25] <crimsun> linuxmonkey: he's using an airport terminal
[11:26] <imbrandon> nah well you have to use libvisual0.4 now instead of 0.2 but other than that no
[11:26] <linuxmonkey> hack it and run a kubuntu live cd
[11:26] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:26] <claydoh> I'd be shot on sight :)
[11:27] <crimsun> linuxmonkey: on a kiosk with no optical drive? roit...
[11:27] <crimsun> that's some hacking
[11:27] <nixternal> lol
[11:27] <linuxmonkey> lol yup
[11:27] <nixternal> a kiosk w/ no external anything but a screen and some punch keys
[11:27] <nixternal> maybe a keyboard if your lucky
[11:28] <linuxmonkey> security walks up and ask what are you doing....hrmmmm securing this terminal
[12:00] <imbrandon_> Riddell: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/  <-- amarok 1.4.1-beta1 and the required libvisual0.4 and libvisual0.4-dev ( I packaged from upstream but not in debian yet ) also setup as a repo if you want to just add my pubkey ( http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/pubkey.html )
[12:00] <imbrandon_> ^^ i'm off to take a nap, PM me if you need something else