=== Etheri [n=Etheri@c220-237-37-48.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.7.25.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@81.80.162.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] neuralis: ping [12:20] sbalneav: hey [12:21] Hey! Quick question. I'm not sure how to create a spec in launchpad [12:21] Any ->'s? [12:21] Or do I not have privs to do so? [12:21] sbalneav: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000145.html [12:22] Ah, thx. [12:24] sure === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbartleylinux [n=sbartley@67.108.61.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFi [n=kvirc@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] sbalneav, I'll be online (and at the meeting room) for another 10 minutes, please ping me if you need anything === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD10BF8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.233.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] heylo === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.139.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-76-121.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA20C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-109-126.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-36-122.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ is now known as zul === fimbulvetr [n=danv@host-74-28-220-24.midco.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tadpole [n=tadpole@ip68-111-213-35.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] morning all [03:53] evening === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Portador [i=Portador@201-13-88-27.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-60-117.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] RadiantFire: ping [04:37] Hobbsee: pong [04:37] RadiantFire: i just tried building ndiswrapper again - it's building both files... [04:37] it is? [04:37] yeah [04:37] i don't know anything about debian packaging so.. [04:37] i'll check by installing it though (argh) [04:37] how did you build it? [04:37] I'll gladly be your guinea pig though [04:37] I used module-assistant which failed [04:37] yeah, it installed okay.. [04:38] to get it built I just unzipped and did make, make install inside of /usr/src/module/ndiswrapper [04:38] bleh, no wonder it didnt work [04:38] ? [04:39] RadiantFire: the way to do it is to get the source package (*.orig.tar.gz, *.dsc, *.diff.gz), dpkg-source -x *.dsc, and debuild [04:39] it is? [04:39] heh [04:39] yup [04:39] I thought you were supposed to use module-assistant [04:39] gah... [04:39] nope, it should "just work" [04:40] wait... the sudo dpkg -i put ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 in my /usr/src [04:40] it did? [04:40] yes [04:40] it doesnt here.....interesting. [04:40] and in order to install, I unpacked that directory and compiled [04:40] I assumed module-assistant took care of everything [04:41] hey yeah, so it did. [04:41] when module-assistant failed, I"m left with a deb lik linux-ndiswrapper-module-2.6.15-25.deb [04:41] in /usr/src [04:41] technically you shouldnt even need to do that - it should just build both packages when you run debuild from the source directory [04:41] the source directory being where ndiswrapper-source unpacks to? [04:42] i think the /usr/src stuff gets autohandled, let me check.. [04:42] no, the source directory being where you downloaded the source off revu to, and ran dpkg-source -x *.dsc <-- the directory created from there [04:42] huh? [04:43] oh crap, I never downloaded the source of revu, I just downloaded ndiswrapper-source*.deb that you gave me [04:43] hmmm...interesting, i thought i sent you the source [04:43] all I have is ndiswrapper-source.deb and ndiswrapper-utils.deb [04:43] p.s. the source file is 1.17-0ubuntu1_all.deb [04:44] yeah [04:44] if i gave you the deb files, then you *should* just be able to install it by sudo apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper-utils && sudo dpkg -i *.deb [04:44] oh [04:45] if not, and you have to do something weird and random, then something's wrong. [04:45] that .tar.bz2 file's copied into /usr/src via the rules file - so that's okay - it's not randomly copying [04:46] Hobbsee: when module-assitant fails, I'm left with this file that is not install [04:46] e [04:46] ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.15-23-386_1.17-0ubuntu1+2.6.15-23.39_i386.deb [04:46] cuz this is using a 386 kernel [04:46] haven't gotten around to updating this computer to 686 === Hobbsee still doesnt understand why you're manually calling modprobe at all.... [04:46] because it never installed a new module [04:47] i wasnt aware that you had to... [04:47] the problem I was having was with the kernel module on the other computer [04:47] the ndiswrapper module won't load if it isn't compiled for the running kernel exactly [04:47] so I had to compile it mysle [04:47] f [04:48] actually, it installs a new module as ndiswrapper-source installs, according to this === Hobbsee swaps to wired, and tests it out. [04:48] Hobbsee: thast wier [04:48] yea but installing isnt loading [04:49] Hobbsee: seriously the problem is your ndiswrapper-source builds a module that says it depends on utils 1.17.1 [04:49] pity my wifi card doesnt actually work with the newest version - it'll flash, but wont get a connection [04:49] when it should really depend on 1.17.-0ubuntu1 [04:49] it should really depend on 1.17*, but i'll check that [04:52] oh wait, debian's updated it anyway, they'll fix it via a sync === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] thats exciting... [04:57] Hobbsee: I'm curious, how much does ubuntu actually rely on debian [04:58] cuz I got the impression its just taking the tools and rerolling everything [04:58] RadiantFire: a lot [04:58] so there is more help required than Ithought [05:03] so is there something new for me to test? === popey [n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] Hobbsee: ping [05:05] RadiantFire: pong [05:06] darn multiple pbuilders, they confuse me. [05:06] not at the moment, that i know of [05:06] Hobbsee: you said you are in University right? [05:07] RadiantFire: yes [05:08] undergrad or grad? [05:08] undergrad [05:08] where at? [05:08] a uni in sydney - macquarie uni [05:12] majoring in compsci or something else === desrt likes symmetry of two people talking to each other [05:12] 23:05 Hobbsee: ping [05:12] 23:05 RadiantFire: pong [05:12] good call :-) [05:12] RadiantFire: no, doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics, actually [05:12] [21:57] Hobbsee: I'm curious, how much does ubuntu actually rely on debian <-- RadiantFire ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian unstable every 6 months and basis our release on that but as far as tool and such we are totaly indep, with things like our own pactches and bzr branches for 90% of the packages, but at the same time we send patches back to upstream if they are wanted === Hobbsee continues to sift thru the email. woo, more to discuss at the next meeting. [05:13] ok, so I wasn't completely off base [05:13] that said -- ubuntu would be in a lot of trouble without debian [05:13] since an ubuntu system isn't very much fun without universe and most of universe comes from debian [05:14] ubuntu wouldn't exist per se without debian === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fimbulvetr [n=danv@host-74-28-220-24.midco.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.252] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Etheri [n=Etheri@c220-237-37-48.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] Launchpad will be going down in 15 mins for its regular code update. Downtime should be around 15 mins. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === woodwizzle [n=chatzill@user-142h03f.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c184218.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] morning [08:37] morning fabbione! [08:37] hey Hobbsee [08:37] you are up early... [08:38] @time sydney [08:38] Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 20 2006, 16:38:18 [08:38] fabbione: i just had lunch :P [08:39] fabbione: where are you? [08:39] hmm. no schedule up yet for today? === Hobbsee is bad with accents [08:39] Hobbsee: oh you are on the other side of the world... [08:39] Hobbsee: EU [08:39] hey netstar [08:39] fabbione: ah, i figured that much - where in particular? [08:39] hi [08:40] Hobbsee: copenhagen/denmark [08:40] yes, i'm on this strange side, where it's winter, and where we all fall off the edge of the world occasionally [08:40] fabbione: ooh, i'm jealous. would love to be there one day. [08:40] Hobbsee: i have been there :) [08:40] hehe [08:40] but you survived and made it back! [08:40] morning fabbione [08:40] Hobbsee: yeah :) [08:41] hey aj [08:41] hi ajmitch [08:41] hello again Hobbsee === Keybuk [n=scott@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] Hobbsee: does it feel like bungee jumping? [08:43] Mithrandir: quite possibly [08:43] Mithrandir: ahhah [08:43] morning Keybuk [08:43] Mithrandir: only if you don't reach escape velocity ;) [08:43] haha === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] neuralis: true. [08:45] uh oh...that didnt sound good... [08:45] Hobbsee: ? === Hobbsee goes off to investigate a large bang. === fabbione dist upgrades [08:46] <\sh> hmmm...is this intltool-debian problem solved? can someone create a nice chroot? === lloydinho [n=andreas@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] back :) === profoXP [i=d00f@d54C0FBA7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] Morning all. [08:54] \sh: it appears to have built === BenC_ [n=bcollins@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] <\sh> Keybuk: cool...:) thx :) === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] hey marilize [08:58] hellooo fabbione :) [09:02] morning [09:02] <\sh> hey sivang [09:02] hey \sh [09:02] evening sivang [09:02] hi Hobbsee ! [09:03] hey marilize [09:03] <\sh> ln: creating hard link `/home/shermann/pbuilder/aptcache/edgy//adduser_3.80ubuntu2_all.deb' to `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//17822/var/cache/apt/archives/adduser_3.80ubuntu2_all.deb': Invalid cross-device link [09:03] <\sh> wth... [09:03] \sh: yes, you broke the config :P === Hobbsee blames ajmitch [09:03] sivang morning :) [09:03] for the broken config [09:04] APTCACHEHARDLINK="yes" [09:04] change it to no [09:04] sigh, I always get picked on here [09:04] heh === seb128 [n=seb@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] hi [09:05] hi siretart [09:05] err, are you serious with UVF at July 13th? I think it is way too early [09:06] hey ajmitch [09:06] hi siretart === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@80.11.69.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] how do I test udev for why it isn't loading a NIC module with 2.6.17? [09:20] isn't there someway to tickle the "plug" of the device and watch udev for what it does with it? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] BenC: hit Keybuk with a huge bat? :) [09:22] he is there.. you can.. DO IT! :P === BenC looks around for a decent sized bat [09:23] actually swinging a bat around at a conference might be bad given some recent other conferences ;) [09:23] heh [09:23] BenC: sudo udevmonitor -e [09:23] echo add > /sys/bus/pci/devices/???/uevent [09:23] as long as you don't have a crown.. [09:23] jdub: is my blog still getting a 404 from planet? [09:24] lol [09:24] BenC: usually that's a missing alias in the modinfo [09:24] loading the module by hand works, so the table entry should be there [09:25] nopaste the modinfo for me [09:25] actually, why don't I come and lean over your shoulder [09:25] that would be MUCH more efficient [09:25] haha === Hobbsee was wondering when that would happen [09:29] ok, bat is for me this time [09:29] Keybuk lucked out === Hobbsee hands BenC the bat [09:31] BenC: you doing anything right now? we need a kernel person for speakup inclusion [09:33] jsgotangco: Thats not until 11 now. [09:33] Refresh the schedule. [09:33] TheMuso: there's a 9-10 sched [09:33] Twas removed. [09:33] ooopps yeah sorry [09:33] or pushed back. I can't exactly remember. === Tonio__ [n=tonio@80.11.69.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] jsgotangco: which table? [09:35] BenC: It will be whatever table henrik is on, as he is subscribed to the spec and he can't exactly move around as easily as the rest of us. [09:36] is discussion going on right now? [09:36] no till 11 [09:36] err i mean we're starting at 11 the sched got moved [09:37] BenC: not yet [09:37] ok, just noticed that the schedule needed to be reloaded === looksaus [n=mark@86-39-96-205.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] I had the old one showing it at 9am :) [09:38] is there a real time, non-intrusive way I can contact Marilize Coetzee, the Ubuntu distribution manager? [09:38] irc, for example? [09:38] marilize: ^^ [09:39] sivang, thx [09:39] c [09:39] damn ssh [09:39] looksaus: hi, you want to speak to me? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] Morning LaserJock. [09:43] hi TheMuso [09:45] LET'S GO TO THE AIRPORT! [09:45] wahooo! [09:45] er...okay then [09:45] jdub: what will we be doing there? :-) [09:45] jdub: OK, OK [09:45] hi jdub! would have thought you'd recognise my accent, even if no one elses :P [09:45] jdub: I can watch planes takeoff and land here as well [09:45] sivang: drinking beer, of course, what else? [09:46] hmm [09:47] jdub, clever idea ;) [09:48] we can try practising for our departure later [09:48] hehe [09:48] jdub: maybe we shouldn't let mako talk to the driver next time? [09:48] When do you fly out sivang? [09:48] haha [09:49] sorry sjoerd. [09:49] damn [09:49] I meant jsgotangco [09:49] TheMuso: saturday [09:49] Ah ok. [09:50] Hobbsee: how he could mistake the distinctive sydney accent is beyond me :) [09:50] ajmitch: haha yeah - it's only where he lives, for goodness sake :P [09:51] LaserJock: "OK!" === carlos [n=carlos@13.Red-88-15-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] actually, it may well be a combined sydney/adelaide accent [09:51] scary [09:51] Hobbsee: you're not based in sydney though, right? [09:51] jdub: i'm in sydney, yeah [09:51] !!! [09:51] you are in so much trouble [09:51] haha!!!! [09:51] why so? [09:51] have you been to slug? === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] For not coming to SLUG. [09:52] jdub: nope. [09:52] where is it? [09:52] UTS [09:52] UTS, last friday of the month [09:52] which campus? [09:52] central [09:52] Broadway [09:52] kurringai or broadway [09:52] Check the slug website for details. [09:52] ahh... [09:52] what a shame, I'll be in canberra on the last friday in june === Hobbsee really doesnt want to drive that far :P [09:52] Hobbsee: pia has a women's dinner beforehand too, started last month with about 15 - you should go this month === Hobbsee would get lost. [09:52] where abouts are you? [09:53] around pennant hill [09:53] s [09:53] ha ha [09:53] "sydney" [09:53] well... === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-211-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] most people dont know where anything closer than that is :P [09:53] hey JaneW [09:53] (i live in surry hills, so i'm just being an arse) [09:53] :P [09:53] jdub: returning to sydney after UDS? [09:54] guadec [09:54] then home [09:54] right [09:54] Hobbsee: lca is going to be in sydney in january too [09:54] Hobbsee: some do :) [09:54] jdub: yes, so i hear :) [09:54] I'll be in sydney in the 1st week of july or so [09:54] anyway, cant do last friday this month - we're doing a recording [09:54] hrm, reminds me, i have some postcards to hand out [09:55] ctd: yes, some [09:55] jdub: can you hand out some air tickets too? [09:55] haha [09:55] Hobbsee: Excuses excuses. [09:55] Keybuk: yeah dude, i will procure them from my soft fleshy behind [09:55] ahaha [09:55] jdub: thanks [09:55] "Thankyou for flying Sladen Air" [09:55] haha [09:56] "In a short moment, the crew will be coming through the cabin with fresh straw to sit on" === ajmitch checks the dates for lca === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] Hobbsee: slug.org.au -> mailing lists [09:56] jdub: annoyingly LCA is at almost exactly the same week as the most expensive air fares [09:57] Keybuk: lucky - you don't have to fly that week, you just have to be there! [09:57] I think it is expensive to fly to/from Australia no matter what time of year. [09:57] jdub: that involves flying there [09:57] thus expense [09:57] TheMuso: only to; it is cheap to fly out [09:57] TheMuso: not too bad from NZ at times [09:57] because we are worldly === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-60-117.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] strange [09:58] once it was easy to get passage there [09:58] just not back [09:58] jdub radio heh === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] jdub: can you have LCA not in January, it's summertime in Oz... and all the northern want to go there on "holiday" [09:58] Keybuk: let's steal some bread! [09:59] jdub: we're in the wrong country [09:59] sladen: that's the whole point! [09:59] we'd get sent to Northern Africa === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === msikma [n=msikma@a82-93-143-114.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Hey guys [10:00] hey :) [10:01] Is there anyone who can give me a little hand in making a new Launchpad spec? I'm member of the Ubuntu Artwork Launchpad team, but I can't seem to make any new ones. [10:01] hi msikma [10:01] Hello [10:01] How's Paris? [10:02] keybuk joins the french foreign legion! [10:02] msikma: what's the problem? what happens when you try to create a spec? [10:02] The problem is I don't know which link to click. :) [10:03] I can't seem to see any button that says "magically create new spec" === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] msikma: first off, create the spec on the wiki [10:03] you need that *before* you create it on lp [10:03] msikma: just a sec [10:03] msikma: french. [10:04] I've got a link to a mailing list post which will suffice as "read more" link === Keybuk wonders how you spell that hotplug notification thing [10:04] "airmiss" is what I heard [10:04] hermes ? [10:04] msikma: has to be a wiki page, otherwise we can't edit the spec [10:04] Hermes, isn't that a greek god? [10:04] it is also a pair of underpants [10:05] Seems that more of the Ubuntu Art specs are just mailing list links, though. Should I put it in the Wiki first? [10:05] yeah, much better to [10:05] it is hermes [10:05] I'll be right back (at work, gotta do something...) [10:05] http://ws314.juntadeandalucia.es/plugins/scmsvn/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/Changelog?root=guadalinex2005 [10:05] msikma: isnt there already a spec for that? oh, never mind me. [10:06] that visual bluetooth notification thing is nice though === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] dholbach: hey dude [10:06] jsgotangco: thats hermes! [10:06] jsgotangco: gotta move fast to use it though. ;-) [10:06] dholbach: Settings -> Sound Settings -> "select push to talk" [10:06] fabbione: hey man [10:06] dholbach: and select a key you will use to talk [10:06] fabbione: I couldn't shout, because I'm in a talk about guadalinex :) [10:07] "Bluetooth support enabled. CATCH ME IF YOU CAN!" [10:07] fabbione: ah ok - I'll try that [10:07] dholbach: something like l-win will do [10:07] dholbach: please thanks [10:07] jdub: hah [10:07] hermes heheh isn't that the messenger of the gods [10:07] :-) [10:07] jdub: musically notification bubbles? [10:07] *musical === looksaus [n=mark@86-39-96-205.customer.fulladsl.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bezig] [10:08] LaserJock: Thats a cool idea re musical bubbles [10:09] I so don't want to implement that [10:10] brb [10:11] jsi think that is the point :) [10:11] meh === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] is mark in france yet? [10:12] zyga: yep [10:12] zyga: he was speaking there last night === dholbach_ [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] can someone tell him Polish ubuntu community sends regards? :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [n=scott@ALagny-109-1-9-234.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@p54A7BE18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] doko, infinity: are you fine with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GccSsp ? [10:24] zyga: I'm back... could you still help me with it? :) [10:25] msikma: I checked launchpad and.. I cannot find it either :D [10:25] ask carlos on #launchpad [10:26] Actually, I think that I can do it without first going to the Ubuntu-art team === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] There we go. [10:32] G0SUB: ping [10:33] Kinnison: I've worked out the design sectoin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PurgeOldKernels [10:34] Kinnison: now working to have some direction in the implementation part [10:39] hmmm... i can't unmute myself in teamspeak [10:40] pitti: Looks fine to me, but doko may want to talk to you about it. I spoke with him this morning. [10:40] infinity: we already spoke, too [10:41] Ahh, good. [10:41] pitti: so you'll turn it on for edgy, not edgy+1? [10:41] Tomorrow would be good. [10:41] Or even today. [10:41] ajmitch: 'edgy is broken by design' :) [10:41] nice :) [10:41] Since we have 12000 pending builds still. [10:41] right, I thought the buildds had already chewed through a few by now [10:42] infinity: depends on doko, AFAIR he wanted to do another gcc upload by tomorrow anyway [10:42] btw, good morning pitti, infinity [10:42] ajmitch: so what, most of the main packages will be rebuilt at some point anyway [10:42] ajmitch: hello :) [10:42] infinity, pitti: I do hesitate to change the defaults in gcc itself. Just checked the FC package, and they do not change it in this way. looking at gentoo now (FC uses some global flags to build packages) [10:42] ajmitch: and for some crucial ones we can still do no-change uploads if necessary [10:42] doko: so, gcc-defaults? [10:42] yes, but you'd need to check them to ensure that they got rebuilt after a certain date [10:42] doko: Wimp. [10:43] doko: global flags sounds like the equivalent of gcc-defaults [10:43] ajmitch: It's no harm done to NOT have some stuff rebuilt. It doesn't put us in a position any worse than now. [10:43] those that matter will get touched anyway === looksaus [n=mark@86-39-96-205.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] pitti: gcc-defaults is more evil, remember BenC's sparc wrapper ;-) [10:44] Yeah, I'd rather avoid wrappers. [10:44] We just killed the last one we were using. [10:44] (And good riddance to it) [10:44] I see no real argument for not enabling it in GCC itself. [10:44] Yes, stuff will break. But we all now how to fix it trivially (-fno-stack-protection), so who cares? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60F18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] I suppose there could be an argument made for people building 3rd party sources and not having a clue why they break... === infinity waffles. [10:46] they could run into that with us using gcc-4.1 anyway [10:46] I dunno. I expect nothing to work right on edgy anyway. [10:46] given the amount of broken code out there === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] hello, i'm looking for help regarding reading & writing files. is anyone available? === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-2-23.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] ghee22: I am sorry, but this is not a help channel, please use #ubuntu for that. [10:50] hunger: oh, i'm sorry for not being more clear, i meant development wise === t0rtoise_ [n=tortoise@extern-halls-1.soton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] hunger: i'm writing a project for SoC and I need to read & write files for the project. I'd like to use something that is cross-platform for Kubuntu & Ubuntu. can you help? [10:52] ghee22: This is why you have an SoC mentor, no? [10:52] infinity: yes, that is one reason i have a mentor. I like to "shop around". [10:53] ghee22: curiously, "read" and "write" are the syscalls you need [10:55] ghee22: I'd recommend getting a book on unix programming then. [10:55] ghee22: read and write is quite portable ;] [10:56]