[12:03] <reclusivemonkey> ok crimsun will try that
[12:04] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: same result. I think I edited ./configure right
[12:05] <reclusivemonkey> http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/configure.txt
[12:05] <crimsun> hmm, doesn't seem to be loading
[12:06] <crimsun> in any case, we know what it's trying to check, and we know what the correct value is
[12:07] <crimsun> man, this is just ugly.
[12:07] <reclusivemonkey> _you_ seem to ;-)
[12:07] <crimsun> your Web site must be blocked from my end
[12:08] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: Actually, thinking back I seem to remember on Slack there was some mention of only using official MPlayer releases... but then my memory is not the best
[12:08] <crimsun> MPLAYER_MAJOR=1 and MPLAYER_PRE=7 are definitely the correct values
[12:09] <crimsun> the changes I mentioned to configure should work.
[12:09] <reclusivemonkey> try http://reclusivemonkey.homelinux.org/configure.txt
[12:11] <crimsun> no go
[12:11] <crimsun> here, just mash it in.
[12:11] <crimsun> At the top of libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c, put the following two lines:
[12:11] <crimsun> #define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1
[12:11] <crimsun> #define MPLAYER_PRE 7
[12:12] <uniq> http://frode.lnix.net/dull/configure.txt in 5 secs.
[12:12] <uniq> mirror for you.
[12:14] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: you mistakenly still have MPLAYER_MAJOR=0 and MPLAYER_PRE=7 defined in ./configure
[12:14] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: and ./configure is still missing the changes I mentioned
[12:15] <reclusivemonkey> should I be doing "make clean" between each of these?
[12:16] <crimsun> make distclean
[12:16] <crimsun> here, use http://sh.nu/~crimsun/configure
[12:17] <uniq> nite guys.
[12:18] <crimsun> 'night uniq
[12:20] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: I used your configure; same result. I have tried different versions of gcc; how do i make sure I am using the correct one now?
[12:22] <crimsun> gcc
[12:22] <crimsun> err
[12:22] <crimsun> gcc -v
[12:22] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: paste your config.log somewhere
[12:22] <crimsun> reclusivemonkey: did you use the two defines I gave you?
[12:22] <crimsun> the two defines hard-code the correct values, so they should work.
[12:23] <reclusivemonkey> I used your configure if thats what you mean
[12:23] <crimsun> that /should/ work
[12:23] <crimsun> the two defines definitely will work.
[12:25] <reclusivemonkey> config.log pastebin; http://pastebin.ca/67421
[12:26] <crimsun> huh, MPLAYER_PRE is still 0? That's wrong.
[12:29] <reclusivemonkey> cat ./configure | grep MPLAYER_MAJOR
[12:29] <reclusivemonkey> MPLAYER_MAJOR=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+\([0-1] \).*%\1%'`
[12:29] <reclusivemonkey> #define MPLAYER_MAJOR $MPLAYER_MAJOR
[12:30] <crimsun> right
[12:30] <reclusivemonkey> luke@mother:/usr/local/src/ogmrip-0.9.0$ cat ./configure | grep MPLAYER_PRE
[12:30] <reclusivemonkey>   MPLAYER_PRE=`$MPLAYER_PROG | head -n 1 | $SED_PROG -e 's%MPlayer 2:0.99+[0-1] \.[0-9] \+pre\([0-9] \+\).*%\1%'`
[12:30] <reclusivemonkey> #define MPLAYER_PRE $MPLAYER_PRE
[12:30] <reclusivemonkey> #define MPLAYER_PRE 0
[12:32] <crimsun> change that last line to #define MPLAYER_PRE 7
[12:32] <tiagoboldt> ogmrip is being a nice headache :)
[12:32] <tiagoboldt> well, 'night*
[12:32] <reclusivemonkey> ormrip rocks! how dare you! ;-)
[12:32] <tiagoboldt> & good luck :D
[12:33] <crimsun> (meh, I missed libogmrip/ogmrip-xvid.c and src/ogmrip-main.c for MPLAYER_PRE)
[12:33] <crimsun> yay for coreutils
[12:34] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: do I need to add the two MPLAYER lines to those as well?
[12:34] <crimsun> to the following files you need to add #define MPLAYER_MAJOR 1  :
[12:34] <crimsun> libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c and src/ogmrip-crop.c
[12:35] <crimsun> to the following files you need to add #define MPLAYER_PRE 7  :
[12:35] <crimsun> libogmrip/ogmrip-backend.c , libogmrip/ogmrip-xvid.c , src/ogmrip-crop.c , src/ogmrip-main.c
[12:37] <reclusivemonkey> done and done. Same result
[12:38] <crimsun> pastebin?
[12:38] <crimsun> make output, that is
[12:39] <reclusivemonkey> http://pastebin.ca/67424
[12:41] <crimsun> that's due to -Werror
[12:41] <crimsun> line 271
[12:42] <reclusivemonkey> cc1: warnings being treated as errors  ok, is that fixable? In my lager saturated state?
[12:42] <crimsun> yes
[12:42] <crimsun> remove "-Werror" from line 20146 of configure
[12:44] <reclusivemonkey> bet you're glad i know my way round vim at least ;-)
[12:44] <crimsun> eh, I would have just asked you to use sed otherwise.
[12:44] <reclusivemonkey> then you would of lost me...
[12:50] <reclusivemonkey> ok, that seemed to work. make finished without errors, so I sudo make install, but i don't seem to be able to find it????
[12:50] <crimsun> it installs to /usr/local/bin/
[12:51] <reclusivemonkey> ls /usr/local/bin/
[12:51] <reclusivemonkey> dvdcpy  googleearth  srttool  subp2pgm  xwinwrap
[12:57] <crimsun> hmm
[12:57] <crimsun> which ogmrip
[12:57] <reclusivemonkey> luke@mother:/usr/local/src/ogmrip-0.9.0$ which ogmrip
[12:57] <reclusivemonkey> luke@mother:/usr/local/src/ogmrip-0.9.0$
[12:58] <crimsun> find . -name ogmrip
[12:58] <reclusivemonkey> luke@mother:/usr/local/src/ogmrip-0.9.0$ find . -name ogmrip
[12:58] <reclusivemonkey> luke@mother:/usr/local/src/ogmrip-0.9.0$
[12:59] <crimsun> then it didn't actually finish
[12:59] <reclusivemonkey> ok
[12:59] <crimsun> do you have a log of the compile?
[12:59] <reclusivemonkey> would that be config.log?
[12:59] <tseng> no
[01:02] <crimsun> make >&somefile.txt
[01:05] <reclusivemonkey> http://www.reclusivemonkey.com/OGMcompile.log
[01:05] <crimsun> remember I can't reach that host...
[01:05] <reclusivemonkey> oh right, ok let me pastebin
[01:06] <reclusivemonkey> http://pastebin.ca/67430
[01:10] <crimsun> looks like the Makefile* are broken
[01:11] <crimsun> what is dvdrip?
[01:12] <crimsun> err, n/m, that would be dvdcopy, not dvdrip
[01:12] <reclusivemonkey> crimsun: Ok its after midnight here, thats all I can cope with for one night. I *really* appreciate your efforts, but I think I've learned all I can from this experience
[01:20] <zul> heylo
[01:21] <crimsun> 'lo
[01:21] <zul> crimsun: how is it going?
[01:22] <crimsun> zul: not bad. Happy I'm able to suspend-to-RAM again :)
[01:22] <crimsun> yourself?
[01:22] <zul> heh..good...just getting xen to build
[01:23] <crimsun> excellent
[01:32] <ajmitch> hi
[01:34] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch
[01:36] <ajmitch> how are you crimsun ?
[01:38] <crimsun> not bad, ajmitch, and yourself?
[01:38] <ajmitch> alright
[01:45] <ajmitch> nice, redhat is opening a branch in NZ
[01:45] <ajmitch> maybe I can try & get a job ;)
[01:46] <crimsun> =)
[01:47] <zul> traitor
[01:47] <zul> :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> heh
[03:53] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:53] <crimsun> 'morning s.h.
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun and Hawkwind
[03:54] <Hawkwind> How's things in Aussie land today
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh dear, this'll start people referring to me as sarah, wont it?
[03:54] <zul> now it will
[03:54] <Hobbsee> just woke up, pretty much
[03:55] <ajmitch> heh
[03:55] <ajmitch> lazy person
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hush ajmitch :P
[03:55] <ajmitch> is it so bad to be known as sarah?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> it feels weird, hearing it online
[03:55] <Hawkwind> Hah.  I know that feeling
[03:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: meh, you're on the Kubuntu CC. It shouldn't be /that/ awkward.
[03:56] <Hawkwind> It's very strange to have people call you by your real name on IRC when you don't use any form of your real nick online
[03:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: true
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Heh.  I saw it on your wiki page
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yes, i had to have it there, because of the key.
[04:00] <crimsun> or you can take the opposite route, which is to splatter your real name everywhere
[04:01] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:01] <Hobbsee> true
[04:01] <Hobbsee> i think it is, pretty much
[04:02] <Hobbsee> some painter shares my name..
[04:02] <Hawkwind> It seems once it's out there once, it gets spread pretty rapidly
[04:02] <Hawkwind> I know mine did atleast.  But then again I had a lot of dealings with Mandriva over the years
[04:03] <Hobbsee> true
[04:03] <Hawkwind> Especially when you build 300+ rpms a day every day, and each one contains your nick and real name :P
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <zul> *grumble* grumble* night
[04:58] <ajmitch> hmm
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hm?
[05:03] <ajmitch> thanks
[05:03] <ajmitch> as long as I get the karma, it's all good
[05:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:03] <Hobbsee> why would you need it?
[05:04] <ajmitch> because I have none?
[05:09] <spacey> i thought you had a million
[05:10] <Hobbsee> he probably does - he certainly has enough pretty icons next to his name.
[05:12] <spacey> hehe
[05:17] <ajmitch> those are just teams I lurk in
[05:17] <ajmitch> not actual work
[05:18] <Hobbsee> true
[05:18] <Hobbsee> gah, i wish people wouldnt just have debates about artwork, and not actually notify any of the devs who choose the artwork...makes it kinda pointless.
[05:19] <ajmitch> heh
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan!
[05:19] <ajmitch> hello Yagisan
[05:21] <Yagisan> hey guys. I had an interesting weekend. I got a shiny new irc cloak, became supreme overlord of an irc channel, and found a gpl violation on some of my code
[05:22] <Yagisan> s/on some/of some
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ouch
[05:22] <ajmitch> exciting
[05:23] <spacey> happy days
[05:23] <Yagisan> yes indeed. I mean, I writre such bad code, why would you want to pretend it's yours
[05:24] <crimsun> it has to be Hobbsee's fault; she's the only other .au person awake and typing in here right now
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:25] <spacey> Tue Jun 20 05:25:24 CEST 2006
[05:25] <spacey> :o
[05:25] <spacey> its already light here
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:27] <Yagisan> Don't you love it when people jump on irc and insult you thinking there are no ops around. Hey Yagisan you ************. Your laws don't apply in Sweden so ********* you"
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hah, so you had the great enjoyment of booting them into the middle of next week?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> i thought the gpl was applicable everywher.e.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> maybe not
[05:29] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I devoiced him, and he was promptly banned by all support forums by the mods whose stuff he also stole (and it wasn't all open source)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ah great
[05:29] <spacey> kids :)
[05:30] <spacey> need some slapping :)
[05:30] <Yagisan> yep. He got scared when I cited case law that means I could sue his arse of fin Aus, and he'd have to come here and defend it.
[05:30] <Yagisan> I've got logs og him begging forgiveness while I was asleep
[05:31] <spacey> thats cute:)
[05:32] <Yagisan> anyone here been to the gccssp/proactive security bof (or whatever it was called this time) ?
[05:33] <Yagisan> or are you all at home/work like me ?
[05:33] <spacey> i'm at home/work
[05:33] <spacey> i think the people in paris are sleeping
[05:34] <spacey> since it 5:34 there
[05:34] <spacey> just like here btw
[05:34] <spacey> but i just can't sleep
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: IIRC ajmitch mentioned something about it
[05:38] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I expect he would. I first met him when I turned up for that way back at UDU
[05:46] <ajmitch> Yagisan: what about it?
[05:48] <whiprush_> hi ajmitch
[05:48] <Yagisan> ajmitch: was wondering how it was going (ie any better then the last time ? )
[05:49] <ajmitch> all I know is basically what's on the wiki
[05:49] <whiprush_> hey aj, I got a funny story for you ...
[05:49] <ajmitch> uh oh
[05:49] <whiprush_> So, I hung out with our ldap guy today...
[05:50] <whiprush_> and I was like "hey man, aj is working on network auth for SoC, I think this FDS thing might happen..."
[05:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ok.
[05:50] <whiprush_> so he's like "hahaha, not really..."
[05:50] <whiprush_> so I went to his desk, and he showed me what he had to do to get it to build.
[05:51] <ajmitch> it's *evil*
[05:51] <whiprush_> he showed me on rhel4, which is kind of "supported".
[05:51] <whiprush_> we didn't even get to ubuntu, and I was weeping ...
[05:52] <ajmitch> you're a broken man now?
[05:53] <whiprush_> we kind of did an unformal estimate of what it would take to make it work.
[05:53] <whiprush_> 3 guys, 6 months, or 1 dude, 2 years.
[05:53] <whiprush_> that sound right?
[05:53] <ajmitch> probably a bit less
[05:54] <whiprush_> ajmitch: as a point of measurement, we pay $45k a year for a mirapoint applicant, which is openldap.
[05:55] <whiprush_> RH charges $15k for their academic support.
[05:56] <whiprush_> ajmitch: so all we need to do is find a nice midway point for support, and we can live like kings. :p
[05:56] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:56] <ajmitch> and I get peanuts to package it, right? ;)
[05:57] <whiprush_> ajmitch: help me figure out how to win the lottery and you can keep all the FDS profit. :D
[05:57] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[05:57] <spacey> well thats easy
[05:57] <spacey> be lucky
[05:58] <whiprush_> ajmitch: to be honest, on paper I would have yelled "DO FDS DUDE!", but after seeing the amount of effort to make it work ... I don't envy your work this summer.
[05:59] <ajmitch> yeah, I said from the start that I'd evaluate FDS
[05:59] <ajmitch> but wouldn't necessarily choose it
[05:59] <whiprush_> ugh, and I'm not a fan of openldap either.
[06:00] <ajmitch> openldap is crap, really
[06:00] <ajmitch> but it will have to suffice for now
[06:00] <whiprush_> yeah, like I said, I don't envy your work this summer.
[06:00] <ajmitch> heh
[06:01] <ajmitch> after that I get to bum around & be an unemployed person
[06:01] <whiprush_> how is FDS upstream? is there a community around it or is it a RH-only endeavor?
[06:02] <ajmitch> afaik, it's fairly RH-centric
[06:04] <whiprush_> ajmitch: well that's motivational ...
[06:04] <ajmitch> yep :)
[06:06] <whiprush_> ajmitch: now that I know what you're up against, I appreciate your work even more. :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> haha
[06:06] <ajmitch> that really inspires me
[06:06] <ajmitch> I think I'll go & crawl under my bed now
[06:06] <whiprush_> hey so I survived working 9000 and 9001 on gobby
[06:07] <whiprush_> good idea for tomorrow?
[06:07] <ajmitch> umm
[06:07] <ajmitch> I guess?
[06:07] <whiprush_> were you around for "Drinking from a Firehose"?
[06:07] <ajmitch> nope
[06:07] <ajmitch> that started at like 4AM here
[06:07] <whiprush_> ah
[06:08] <whiprush_> my teamspeak just stopped working about halfway through..
[06:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: did anyone test plone breezy -> dapper upgrades ?
[06:17] <ajmitch> I don't know
[06:17] <ajmitch> being universe, probably not
[06:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ok. just FYI, is doesn't work, ate my site, and corrupted whatever plone stored my site in. And I could get a fresh dapper install running.
[06:18] <ajmitch> excellent
[06:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep. I sent two bug reports, but I'm hoping edgy will be better.
[06:19] <ajmitch> it'll be better if you test it
[06:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the system is a frankenstein of breezy & dapper at the moment
[06:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I don't like testing live sites. I'll try to get time to make a vmware system to test with, but there are so many places it can break
[06:21] <ajmitch> so it breaks when you upgrade only that package, without upgrading the rest?
[06:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I found two packages that completely broke the system (as in site error). bugs filed. one of the other upgrades broke my rss feeds, and I haven't worked out which one that is yet
[06:25] <ajmitch> I'm just surprised that you did a blind upgrade of a live site like that
[06:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch: all of the breakage was in zope/plone packages
[06:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it wasn't blind. I had a backup, but most of the time it works fine
[06:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: besides, I have faith in you
[06:26] <ajmitch> s/have/had/, you mean
[06:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so I guess that rules out dapper-updates then
[06:28] <ajmitch> it's certainly ruled out when there's no clue as to what the bug is
[06:29] <Yagisan> ajmitch: a sample would be Bug #49894
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49894 in zope-extendedpathindex "Upgrading from breezy to dapper causes a Site Error with plone." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49894
[06:30] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it may make more sense to you
[06:30] <ajmitch> yes, I was looking at those bugs
[06:31] <ajmitch> but the problem is generally that you haven't run through the proper migration path
[06:31] <ajmitch> since upgrading packages isn't enough
[06:31] <ajmitch> you need to do stuff on the plone side
[06:32] <Yagisan> ajmitch: such as ? (Why no prompt like other packages do)
[06:33] <ajmitch> such as portal_migrations in the ZMI
[06:35] <ajmitch> will be back in an hour or so
[06:36] <Yagisan> no worries
[06:37] <ajmitch> because zope hates *
[06:37] <ajmitch> it has a PhD in hating
[06:37] <Yagisan> heh. caps lock :-*
[06:42] <Hobbsee> um, we cant build edgy chroots at the moment, can we?
[06:43] <crimsun> sure you can
[06:43] <crimsun> meaning "dist-upgrade from dapper"
[06:44] <crimsun> ah crap, more bugs
[06:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/720186 is what i get
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ah ok..
[06:45] <crimsun> no, you can't create an edgy one from scratch
[06:46] <crimsun> debootstrap hasn't been taught edgy yet
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[06:50] <Hobbsee_> bleh, computer froze.
[06:51] <whiprush_> hi crimsun
[06:52] <whiprush_> crimsun: I am applying for grad school tomorrow, and I'm scared out of my mind. Tell me something to make me feel better. :)
[06:56] <Yagisan> ah, the joys of applying for jobs overseas.
[06:57] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: computer freeze ? you must not be running ubuntu then ;)
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: heh, kubuntu.  and i'm not sure why it froze - i was copying files in konq as root, so...
[06:59] <Yagisan> whiprush_: grad school ??
[07:00] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: well, after you mentioned the word root, it all became clear. You were being punished by konq
[07:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: with sudo :P
[07:00] <Hobbsee> er, kdesu
[07:01] <Yagisan> hmm. I need a photo with my resume. I need someone with good gimp/photoshop skills to make me look good then
[07:07] <robitaille> whiprush_: grad school is not that scary :)
[07:08] <crimsun> whiprush_: applying's not the hard part. Staying focused during your last quarter/semester is. :)
[07:08] <whiprush_> robitaille/crimsun: the oss-friendlt prof is moving on this semester, so I'm kind of scared. :-/
[07:09] <crimsun> nah, don't be. Ideology (at least in IT) doesn't get you a degree. :)
[07:10] <robitaille> I have fond memories of my grad years; a lot of work...but a lot of good friends and parties...and I met my wife in grad school
[07:11] <robitaille> Of course now I barely use at work what I learned in grad school...
[07:11] <whiprush_> I'm just concerned that people who sponsored my (as staff) trips to OSS conferences in the past are gone, and I'm kind of stuck working on non-OSS stuff.
[07:12] <whiprush_> on the plus side I'm looking forward to TA'ing stuff that lets me expose people to oss.
[07:14] <robitaille> grad school is only a small part of your life;  even if you end up doing some non-oss stuff for a bit, you will have many years afterward to do what you really want to do the way you want
[07:15] <robitaille> and personally I hated TAing :)
[07:15] <whiprush_> robitaille: yeah, I just kind of wish that academia was more OSS-friendly than it currently is.
[07:16] <whiprush_> robitaille: I'm rambling though, I've whined about it on my blog for a long time....
[07:16] <robitaille> and I wish governments where a bit more oss as well since that's where I work now;  life is never a perfect
[07:16] <whiprush_> heh
[07:17] <crimsun> whiprush_: most of my research is now 60/40 closed/floss, but nearly all of my non-work time is floss
[07:17] <whiprush_> :-/
[07:18] <crimsun> there are countless conferences, too, and many of them are floss-friendly if not downright floss entirely
[07:32] <crimsun> wb
[07:32] <Yagisan> wb ajmitch
[08:40] <neutrinomass> If a bug is open in Ubuntu, but Debian has a newer version of the package that fixes it, what do we do (considering that edgy syncs haven't started) ?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: wait until the edgy syncs start, i think
[08:41] <crimsun> you mark it Fix Committed with the explanation that the newer version will be synced/merged.
[08:42] <crimsun> you have my permission to subscribe me to any bugs that fall into that category.
[08:42] <neutrinomass> OK, thanks crimsun and Hobbsee (it's just a change in build options that fixes a crasher :-/ )
[08:42] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Will do, thanks a lot :)
[08:47] <ajmitch> edgy syncs have started, but the builds have been failing
[08:48] <sladen> neutrinomass: ideally we get the bug fixed in dapper;  either by backporting the fix, or synching a new version.  Depending on (a) the severity of the issue, and (b) the intrusiveness just syncing the new version
[08:50] <crimsun> if it's something as trivial as adjusting debian/rules, and the adjustment is proven safe (backward compatible, if that makes any sense in that context), then it's a good candidate for dapper-updates
[08:51] <neutrinomass> sladen: (a) It renders 'freewheeling' (some random application that crimsun might know) unusable for at least x86 and (b) It affects nothing else. Seems that I was a little bit off though - I'm not yet absolutely sure it's fixed in Debian, I'm looking into it now ...
[08:55] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[08:56] <TheMuso> How is it in Sydney on this Tuesday afternoon?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> cold?
[08:57] <ajmitch> bah
[08:57] <ajmitch> you call that cold...
[08:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it got down to -7 in parts of dunedin last night :P
[08:57] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[08:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes.  i call that cold, and your -7 freezing :P
[08:59] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: got a plane ticket to greece?
[09:00] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: I live in Greece :P
[09:00] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: so i figured :P
[09:01] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: so when are you coming to visit NZ?
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no idea, when i get an invite?
[09:02] <ajmitch> you don't have to be invited to come over
[09:03] <Hobbsee> true
[09:08] <crimsun> mmm nope, not a good idea to attempt to backport fixes now.
[09:08] <ajmitch> crimsun: why so?
[09:09] <crimsun> tired, don't trust eyes-fingers [lack of]  coordination
[09:09] <ajmitch> ah :)
[09:09] <crimsun> that'll do nicely with the smouldering embers in my hair, thanks Hobbsee
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee setting your hair on fire as well?
[09:11] <Hobbsee_> ajmitch, no, i dont think so...it'd take a little long to grow back
[09:11] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[09:11] <jsgotangco> bonjour!
[09:11] <ajmitch> Hobbsee_: your hair might - crimsun's is probably a little shorter
[09:11] <Hobbsee> true
[09:13] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: what's happening at the moment?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> we're just discussing on how a spec should be made
[09:13] <ajmitch> right
[09:13] <ajmitch> I thought it might be the daily intro time
[09:13] <jsgotangco> the summary would probably be moved at the bottom
[09:13] <jsgotangco> we don't have a sched yet
[09:14] <ajmitch> there's a schedule up already
[09:14] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-20/
[09:14] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[09:14] <ajmitch> not sure if it's what you're using or not :)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> yeah i just looked at it
[09:14] <ajmitch> heh
[09:14] <jsgotangco> merci
[09:14] <ajmitch> clever
[09:14] <neutrinomass> Apparently debian build-options are not honoured by Ubuntu (or I'm doing something wrong...) .... bug 28560 : Compiling with -O0 and no -f options fixes it ...
[09:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28560 in freewheeling "Abort at startup: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28560
[09:15] <ajmitch> dholbach!!
[09:15] <ajmitch> morning daniel :)
[09:15] <ajmitch> hey ogra
[09:16] <ogra> hi ajmitch
[09:16] <dholbach> hi ajmitch!
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hey ogra
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:17] <crimsun> neutrinomass: so stripping optimisations, essentially?
[09:19] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Yes. It segfaults with -O1 as well. The Debian changelog says that -finline-functions was removed, along with -O0. I just realised that I didn't build the package correctly (I did ./configure instead of using the debian-way) but -O2 and no f* options fixes the problem.
[09:19] <crimsun> neutrinomass: ok (you didn't subscribe me ;)
[09:20] <crimsun> that's sane enough for dapper-updates imo
[09:20] <neutrinomass> crimsun: It just finished building, I haven't even commented on it :P
[09:20] <crimsun> Edgy will be automagically fixed
[09:23] <neutrinomass> crimsun: debian bug 328276 - As I said before , I'm not sure the fixes are in the Debian package - the bug was closed last november, but 0.5pre4-5 has never hit the debian archives (Unless it is a mystical codename for 0.5 -PRE instead of 0.5.4 - PRE , in which case the bug was never fixed)
[09:23] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 328276 in freewheeling "Subject: freewheeling: it does not start." [Grave,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/328276
[09:25] <crimsun> neutrinomass: it did. [2006-01-30]  Accepted 0.5pre4-5 in unstable (low) (Paul Brossier)
[09:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: speak up, we can't hear you :)
[09:27] <crimsun> hmm, that's a bit more intrusive than I'd like
[09:27] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[09:27] <ajmitch> :)
[09:27] <crimsun> I'd defer that [0.5.2a-1]  to a candidate for dapper-backports
[09:27] <neutrinomass> So the packages here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=freewheeling are later versions ? Then something went wrong, because they crash as well ...
[09:28] <crimsun> seeing how 0.5pre4-5 doesn't just touch debian/rules
[09:28] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Well, the rest of the changelog is pretty irrelevant - the problem is fixed just by changing build options ...
[09:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'll try & avoid the australian heckling today
[09:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: :P
[09:29] <crimsun> neutrinomass: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/freewheeling.html is your friend :)
[09:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: work calls?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, bible study
[09:30] <ajmitch> ah right
[09:30] <Hobbsee> work was last night
[09:30] <neutrinomass> crimsun: True, it seems helpful ;) - so a regression?
[09:31] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Sorry, missed the -O2 part : "Switched back to -O2" in 0.5.2-1
[09:31] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Heh, intended breakage then
[09:31] <crimsun> neutrinomass: well, the only relevant part is what is in Dapper vs. what was fixed in Debian immediately prior
[09:32] <crimsun> and since Dapper has 0.5pre4-5build1, there's something amiss
[09:32] <crimsun> oh wait
[09:32] <crimsun> this bug report is ooooold
[09:32] <crimsun> dolson: ping
[09:33] <crimsun> dolson: can you confirm that bug 28560 is no longer an issues on current Dapper?
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28560 in freewheeling "Abort at startup: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28560
[09:33] <crimsun> s/issues/issue/
[09:34] <neutrinomass> crimsun: I can reproduce it! Judging from the dates, this was originally reported against 0.5pre4-4 at latest...
[09:35] <neutrinomass> crimsun: No backtraces though, so my rcashing may be a different problem that gets fixed with -O0 (lol, how many of these could there be? ):-/
[09:36] <crimsun> err, no, this can't be the debian/rules from 0.5pre4-5
[09:39] <crimsun> nope, it looks it is. But there's no change for -O0
[09:40] <neutrinomass> crimsun: From what I understand: app crashes on startup with version 0.5pre4-4. DD fixes the problem in 0.5pre4-5, but then (thinking that upstream fixed it maybe?) returns to using 0.5.2-1 with -O2 which brings the problem back again. We're currently in 0.5.2a-1 that still crashes, and can get fixed with -O2. Some guy said that this is not a problem with GCC3.3, so maybe the DD built it with that and thought it was OK
[09:40] <neutrinomass> "can get fixed with -O2" ---> "can get fixed by using -O0"
[09:40] <crimsun> no.
[09:40] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:/tmp/freewheeling-0.5pre4$ apt-cache madison freewheeling
[09:40] <crimsun> freewheeling | 0.5pre4-5build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[09:40] <crimsun> freewheeling | 0.5pre4-5build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[09:41] <LaserJock> hello MOTUs!
[09:41] <crimsun> hi
[09:41] <LaserJock> hi crimsun
[09:42] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: where did you go?
[09:42] <LaserJock> when?
[09:42] <jsgotangco> today?
[09:42] <neutrinomass> crimsun: I'm new to debian/ubuntu and you know better than me :) But at the LP page I see Current version: 0.5.2a-1 :-/
[09:42] <LaserJock> umm, I went to lunch and now I'm sitting a couple tables behind you
[09:42] <jsgotangco> we thought you went mad and ran from the hotel looking for a big mac for breakfast
[09:42] <LaserJock> hehehe
[09:43] <crimsun> neutrinomass: from all respects, what Dapper has is 0.5pre4-5 (the build1 suffix was tacked on for "fakesyncing" when soyuz wasn't fully cooperating iirc)
[09:43] <LaserJock> I just email my wife about that. I think I could probably walk all the way to the airport for a Big Mac or Pizza Hut
[09:43] <crimsun> neutrinomass: 0.5.2a-1 is the current Sid source package version
[09:44] <zakame> hi all
[09:44] <crimsun> neutrinomass: according to the Debian changelog for 0.5pre4-5, the crashers were fixed via removing -f and using -O0
[09:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: typical culture shocked tourist ;)
[09:45] <crimsun> neutrinomass: however, this is where the difference between uploading binaries and sources comes into play. Notice how only Makefile is modified.
[09:46] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Yes, sorry, you're right ...
[09:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I guess, I'm starving, they must not feed a lot of fat people in Paris ;-)
[09:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how good is your french for ordering a pizza? :)
[09:46] <crimsun> neutrinomass: since for Dapper source is uploaded, we'll need to adjust Makefile.in
[09:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hehe, I can point and wave my hands around
[09:46] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: GIVE ME FOOD!
[09:47] <crimsun> neutrinomass: which explains why you're still seeing the crashers, because -fblah and -O2 are still being used
[09:47] <crimsun> (since ./configure will eventually chain down to Makefile.in)
[09:47] <neutrinomass> crimsun: I've got 0.5pre4-5build1 and ./configure make compiled with -O2 by default ... In the meantime I still have a lot to learn :) : Isn't debian/rules supposed to control how stuff is built without needing to edit the Makefile.in ?
[09:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and I'm sitting here eating my dinner.. what a shame :)
[09:48] <LaserJock> doh
[09:48] <ajmitch> a good thing teamspeak isn't voice-activated on my laptop ;)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:49] <crimsun> neutrinomass: occasionally Makefile.in will need to be edited
[09:50] <crimsun> neutrinomass: was gcc using -fblah, too?
[09:50] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Thanks a lot for your patience and help.
[09:50] <crimsun> (I suspect yes)
[09:50] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Yes.... but I think no -finline-functions
[09:51] <crimsun> ok, then it's possible to just force -O0
[09:51] <TheMuso> Ah come on LaserJock. The food isn't that bad.
[09:52] <LaserJock> TheMuso:  the bloody raw beef wasn't too bad for you last night?
[09:52] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Of course, I have no idea how to do that ... want me to assign it to you ?
[09:52] <crimsun> that's "art", dude.
[09:52] <crimsun> neutrinomass: I am already subbed and will look later this evening after my plane lands.
[09:53] <TheMuso> I didn't mind it at all.
[09:53] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i didnt eat it at all
[09:53] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Ok, have a nice journey :) Thanks again!
[09:53] <TheMuso> I don't think it was raw either, but I don't know what it looked like.
[09:53] <TheMuso> maybe it is better I didn't.
[09:53] <jsgotangco> it looked raw
[09:53] <jsgotangco> just sliced so thin
[09:53] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yes it is, it was raw and bloody on the bottom
[09:53] <TheMuso> Tasted fine to me.
[09:53] <LaserJock> I did 1 bite and ate the salad ;-)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:53] <TheMuso> heh.
[09:53] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:54] <jsgotangco> had a lot of bread too
[09:54] <TheMuso> They seem to like that here.
[09:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:55] <TheMuso> Breakfast is quite nice as well.
[09:55] <TheMuso> But I gues I am just not fussy when it comes to food.
[10:00] <slomo> LaserJock: yes the beef was really bad ;)
[10:00] <LaserJock> sladen: good, at least I wasn't making it up
[10:01] <LaserJock> slomo I mean
[10:01] <LaserJock> stupid xchat
[10:01] <slomo> hehe
[10:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hey, it's better than fish for each & every meal :)
[10:02] <LaserJock> yes
[10:02] <ajmitch> I'm sure jsgotangco has fond memories of that
[10:03] <LaserJock> at least breakfast is good
[10:03] <jsgotangco> fish...
[10:03] <jsgotangco> breakfast is always the same though
[10:04] <ajmitch> in montreal, it was chinese food for lunch every day
[10:04] <slomo> jsgotangco: but at least you have some choice :)
[10:04] <jsgotangco> there's a small chinese restaurant at the village outside
[10:06] <LaserJock> slomo: exactly
[10:07] <TheMuso> I'll probably be sick of breakfast in a few days though
[10:07] <ajmitch> by then you can go home :)
[10:07] <TheMuso> eh yeah
[10:09] <Mithrandir> and then you can be sick of plane food instead! :-)
[10:10] <TheMuso> heh
[10:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: is gobby working properly?
[10:21] <dholbach> no :-/
[10:21] <ajmitch> darn
[10:22] <ajmitch> but the BOF session has started?
[10:49] <ajmitch> dholbach! welcome back :)
[10:49] <dholbach> :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> how much of this do we want to split between 2 gobby documents?
[11:00] <shawarma> LaserJock: Didn't you say you weren't going to be here?
[11:01] <LaserJock> no
[11:01] <LaserJock> I didn't think I was
[11:01] <LaserJock> but I am
[11:01] <ajmitch> heh
[11:01] <shawarma> coolness
[11:01] <ajmitch> confused about the state of things today?
[11:01] <ajmitch> this is a very quiet BOF from my end :)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:04] <ajmitch> hm, what silent BOF should I 'listen' in on now?
[11:06] <sivang> ajmitch: they all seem silent :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:06] <ajmitch> this teamspeak experiment was interesting for awhile, but doesn't seem to really work yet
[11:07] <ajmitch> not until there's software that everyone can use, and everyone has a headset or something :)
[11:08] <sivang> ajmitch: indeed :-)
[11:08] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yeah. As far as I know, powerpc users are left out in the cold.
[11:08] <ajmitch> yep
[11:09] <ajmitch> and it's OSS-using
[11:09] <ajmitch> which gives a few issues
[11:10] <TheMuso> Indeed.
[11:19] <Fujitsu> OSS-using is an issue?
[11:19] <Fujitsu> Oh, you mean OSS as opposed to ALSA?
[11:22] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Yes.
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Teamspeak is proprietary, isn't it?
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Hi, Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey Fujitsu
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Got a shiny new cloak, I see.
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. no more will you see my ISP *mwhahaha*
[11:26] <Fujitsu> Nooooo.
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:27] <ajmitch> oh what a shame
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[12:09] <zul> hey
[12:11] <imbrandon> moins
[12:11] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch how did the easymotu go? i missed it
[12:12] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[12:12] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[12:16] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[12:17] <dholbach> re!
[12:17] <tseng> hi dholbach
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Hi, zul.
[12:27] <zul> hey Fujitsu
[12:34] <pianoboy3333> Has anyone made a deb for libnotify 0.4.2?
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> Does anyone know where I can search for a libnotify deb?
[12:40] <pianoboy3333> Where can I learn about building libraries?
[01:53] <zul> heylo
[02:03] <zul> hmnm...quiet
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:30] <zul> hey
[02:32] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock and zul
[02:42] <pschulz01> #ubuntu-au
[02:43] <pschulz01> doh!
[02:45] <kelmo> heh, is there an au channel? ;-)
[02:45] <_ion> #ubuntu-english
[02:46] <kelmo> _ion: that was more a remark than a question
[02:46] <Hobbsee> kelmo: yeah :P
[02:47] <pschulz01> kelmo: suffering from fast fingers.
[02:50] <ajmitch>  hey jsgotangco
[02:51] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:33] <zakame> hi all
[03:34] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hi zakame
[03:36] <ajmitch> you mean all of them?
[03:37] <zakame> hi aj	Ho	
[03:37] <ajmitch> :)
[03:37] <ajmitch> classic signs of broken tabcompletion
[03:37] <zakame> erm ajmitch, Hobbsee
[03:38] <zakame> heh, I'm just a screen :P
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, not all of them :P
[03:38] <zakame> anyhow, I missed the MOTU BOF right?
[03:38] <ajmitch> yep
[03:38] <Hobbsee> zakame: there's stuff on gobby about it , it looked interesting
[03:38] <ajmitch> it was fairly hard to follow from the outside anyway
[03:38] <zakame> how did it go
[03:38] <zakame> ?
[03:39] <ajmitch> alright I guess
[03:40] <zakame> wb jsgotangco
[03:40] <ajmitch> looks like they're still having network issues
[03:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:41] <zakame> yeah, jerome told me they had to switch rooms for the different meets, no wireless
[03:42] <jsgotangco> zakame: there is wireless but since we use TS, we have a lot of switches here per table and its much faster than the wireless itself
[03:43] <ajmitch> you actually use TS?
[03:43] <jsgotangco> at the moment yes, we're working on an LTSP lab at the moment
[03:43] <zakame> jsgotangco: TeamSpeak, I gather?
[03:43] <ajmitch> one of the few BOFs that does then
[03:44] <jsgotangco> go to edubuntu dynamic menus channel
[03:49] <kelmo> siretart: hi! alive?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: ping?
[03:54] <zakame> erm, I hope he is :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes?
[03:56] <kelmo> zakame: maybe a better question was "wanna chat?" ;-) i trust he is still living
[03:57] <zakame> hehehe
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:34] <zul> hey
[04:34] <bddebian> Hi zul
[04:51] <bddebian> Is everyone in Paris currently?
[04:51] <tseng> no
[04:51] <zul> no
[04:51] <tseng> i am right her
[04:51] <tseng> e
[04:51] <bddebian> Bah, who are you two? ;-P
[04:51] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[04:51] <tseng> uh
[04:51] <bddebian> What I meant was, is it going on right now?
[04:52] <tseng> yes obviouslyt
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hi tseng and zul and bddebian
[04:52] <tseng> its the middle of the day
[04:52] <tseng> EST + 6
[04:52] <bddebian> tseng: I have been out, I couldn't remember the dates d00d :-)
[04:52] <tseng> d00d?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> bddebian: almost 5pm in paris,
[04:52] <bddebian> hehe
[04:53] <bddebian> tseng: 1 4r3 l33t d00d
[04:54] <bddebian> hehe
[04:54] <tseng> Hobbsee++
[04:55] <_ion> ion--
[04:55] <Hobbsee> :D
[04:55] <bddebian> I thought that absence was supposed ot make the heart grow fonder and I still get no love :-)
[04:57] <tseng> haha
[04:57] <Hobbsee> there you go :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> we do love you - just not that awful number mangling.
[05:04] <zakame> hmm malone  569 is pretty old for a High bug now
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 569 in firestarter "Firestarter Help runs Firefox as root" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/569
[05:05] <zakame> hi bddebian dholbach
[05:05] <dholbach> heya zakame
[05:06] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:06] <bddebian> zakame: Aye, I have been trying to clean up a lot of the 'old' bugs
[05:07] <zakame> bddebian: patch looks ok, right?
[05:08] <bddebian> zakame: Dunno but considering it's 'age', is it even still a bug anymore?
[05:08] <_ion> [bddebian, dholback] .each {|him| zakame.hug him }
[05:09] <zakame> bddebian: yeah, haven't reproduced that tough, actually I've just taken a fresh look at the list, been out for so long
[05:09] <bddebian> zakame: You are the X master now? ;-)
[05:10] <zakame> _ion: python, I gather?
[05:10] <_ion> zakame: Nope. Ruby.
[05:10] <zakame> bddebian: erm no, catching up on that too
[05:10] <bddebian> :-)
[05:10] <_ion> zakame: Python doesn't have such a cool syntax for giving a code block as a parameter to a method call. :-)
[05:10] <zakame> _ion: ooh! I should learn
[05:11] <_ion> zakame: Some Ruby propaganda written by me: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/stuff/python-ruby/
[05:11] <zakame> _ion: I don't grok Python much too, as I've been working in Perl lately :/
[05:15] <neutrinomass> zakame: (regarding firestarter) The patch is sort of OK: it slightly changes the behaviour for some reason (gnome_open_url() would launch XFCE here, whereas now Firefox is launched) . Not sure why though ...
[05:15] <zakame> bddebian: then again the patch for 569 was made _today_ , its even on gnome-bugs
[05:15] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[05:16] <zakame> neutrinomass: oh, in XFCE? that's odd
[05:16] <neutrinomass> zakame: Sorry, Galeon ... :P
[05:16] <zakame> ah
[05:17] <zakame> wb jsgotangco
[05:18] <neutrinomass> zakame: Maybe because I was on gnome, with firefox "default", but with "don't check for bring default browser" enabled. I install Xfce, galeon becomes "default" and now in gnome the "default" browser is still galeon, since firefox hasn't checked whether it is default, but for some reason file associations have remained with Gnome. As long as it opens though, I don't think its a big issue ...
[05:19] <zakame> neutrinomass: yes, that's probably the case
[05:19] <zakame> anyhow the function looks good enough, it does seem to drop privileges
[05:20] <neutrinomass> zakame: Oh, damn. I missed one call to gnome_url_show .... give me a sec please
[05:21] <zakame> neutrinomass: of course, if you can test it with an actual build that's better, I'm still rebuilding my chroots :/
[05:23] <neutrinomass> zakame: I verified that it works correctly yesterday before submitting ... unless I missed something :-/
[05:24] <neutrinomass> zakame: gnome_url_show is used in src/preferences.c as well. This means that I have to change browser_open to be non-static ---> maybe move it to util.c or is that too intrusive ?
[05:26] <zakame> hmm either way you'll still be touching a couple of files
[05:57] <neutrinomass> zakame: Ok, new patch attached ...
[06:12] <azeem> anybody know kbrooks?
[06:12] <bddebian> Oh man that name sounds familiar.. Hmm
[06:13] <azeem> 18:05 [OPN]  -!- kbrooks [n=kbrooks@easyubuntu/developer/kbrooks] 
[06:14] <azeem> he trolled big time on #debian in both networks and corrupted the bot fact database
[06:14] <neutrinomass> azeem: Don't know him personally but I've seen him many times in #ubuntu ...
[06:14] <azeem> ok
[06:17] <Hawkwind> He's famous for trolling actually.  He used to do it when he ran Mandrake as well
[06:19] <phanatic> hi everyone
[06:20] <Spec> hello
[06:22] <Hobbsee> azeem: yeah, has been helping out recently IIRC
[06:25] <azeem> well, he was pretty cunningly trolling the channel, but we found out later that he messed up all the useful factoids of the infobot
[06:25] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[06:25] <azeem> 07:50 < stew> !oftc move
[06:25] <azeem> 07:50 < dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, oftc move is fuck you, debian, for moving #debian to irc.oftc.net. FUCK OFF
[06:25] <azeem> 07:50 < stew> !factinfo oftc move
[06:25] <azeem> 07:50 < dpkg> oftc move -- last modified 7h 23m 5s ago  by kbrooks!n=kbrooks@easyubuntu/developer/kbrooks; it has been requested 7 times, last by stew, 10s ago.
[06:25] <azeem> anyway, thanks
[06:26] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[06:26] <Hobbsee> azeem: bot has access control now :)
[06:26] <azeem> Hobbsee: the bot in #debian I mean
[06:26] <azeem> it's a different one I think
[06:26] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[06:26] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:05] <Goshawk> can someone help me here with pbuilder?
[07:16] <zul>  /join #ubuntu-meeting
[07:16] <zul> oops..
[07:17] <Gloubiboulga> Goshawk, I can't right now, but certainly in ~20 minutes
[07:18] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: thanks
[07:18] <Goshawk> btw my problem is crosscompiling with pbuilder
[07:19] <Goshawk> i'm on x86_64 (amd64)
[07:19] <Goshawk> and i'm compiling gdc (the gnu D compiler frontend for gcc)
[07:19] <Goshawk> but i need a x86 environment
[07:19] <Goshawk> so i did:
[07:20] <Goshawk> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts i386 --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz --mirror http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[07:20] <Goshawk> but when i build i get error about some packages that do not exist for this arch
[07:21] <Goshawk> now i'm creating a new i386 image with sudo linux32 pbuilder create ............. with all the upper options
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> Goshawk, I've never used that but the syntax should not be '--debootstrapopts --arch i386' ?
[07:30] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: i thought as you, but i got that options from the pbuilder user manual
[07:30] <Goshawk> to build a different arch basefile
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> hmm ok
[07:31] <Goshawk> maybe with the linux32 now should work
[07:31] <Goshawk> i'm waiting until it finishes
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> Goshawk, did it work?
[08:01] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: wait
[08:02] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: no same error
[08:02] <Gloubiboulga> hm
[08:03] <Goshawk> i'm putting all in pastebin.ca
[08:06] <Goshawk> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/523
[08:06] <Goshawk> E: Couldn't find package libc6-dev-i386
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> hmm, is this package listed in your build-depends line?
[08:22] <Goshawk> yep
[08:22] <Goshawk> but it's with a |
[08:22] <Goshawk> -> Considering  libc6.1-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5) [alpha ia64]  | libc0.3-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5) | libc0.1-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5) | libc12-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5) | libc6-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5
[08:22] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: i'm doing pbuilder login
[08:22] <Goshawk> to see what's wrong
[08:25] <Goshawk> libc6-dev is already the newest version.
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> I don't why it wants to install libc6-dev-i386
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> don't know*
[08:25] <Goshawk> #
[08:25] <Goshawk> -> Considering libc6-dev-i386 [amd64] 
[08:25] <Goshawk> #
[08:25] <Goshawk> -> Trying libc6-dev-i386
[08:25] <Goshawk> #
[08:25] <Goshawk> -> Cannot install libc6-dev-i386; apt errors follow:
[08:26] <Goshawk> here is the error
[08:26] <Goshawk> it should follow this one;:
[08:26] <Goshawk> #
[08:26] <Goshawk> -> Considering libc6-dev-amd64 [i386] 
[08:26] <Goshawk> #
[08:26] <Goshawk> -> This package is not for this architecture
[08:27] <Goshawk> how can i see what's my arch?
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> very good question
[08:32] <Goshawk> uname -m
[08:33] <Goshawk> and maybe i found what's wrong
[08:33] <Goshawk>  uname -m
[08:33] <Goshawk> i686
[08:33] <Goshawk> but
[08:33] <Goshawk> #
[08:33] <Goshawk> -> Considering libc6-dev-amd64 [i386] 
[08:33] <Goshawk> #
[08:33] <Goshawk> -> This package is not for this architecture
[08:33] <Goshawk> because it sees i686 instead of i386
[08:33] <Goshawk> i'm changing it
[08:34] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: do you have i386? can you do uname -m please?
[08:38] <Gloubiboulga> i686
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> Goshawk, sorry I can't help about this cross compiling I guess
[08:40] <Goshawk> Gloubiboulga: ok thanks anyway
[08:41] <Goshawk> time to go for me
[08:41] <Goshawk> thanks
[09:15] <pianoboy3333> Can you guys be sure to put notify-python, the new libnotify and notification-daemons in edgy?
[09:17] <bddebian> pianoboy3333: Are they in Debian?
[09:18] <pianoboy3333> Hmmm... not sure, I don't use debian
[09:18] <bddebian> OK, what version are you speaking of?
[09:19] <pianoboy3333> The new libnotify is 0.4.2, notify-python is new, that's only version 1.0, and the new notification-daemon is 3.5 I believe, you can take a look at http://www.galago-project.org/
[09:20] <bddebian> Ah, Debian has 0.4.0-1
[09:20] <bddebian> of libnotify
[09:21] <pianoboy3333> I'm just saying, cause I wanted to start developing some stuff with notify-python, but I couldn't cause dapper has 0.3.4 or .2
[09:21] <Gloubiboulga> yep, 0.3.2
[09:22] <bddebian> pianoboy3333: Your best bet would be to check and/or enter a bug report requesting the new version
[09:22] <pianoboy3333> Right, and notify-python needs at least 0.4
[09:22] <pianoboy3333> I wish I could build deb packages :(
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, it's a good occasion to start packaging ;)
[09:23] <bddebian> Yeah :-)
[09:23] <bddebian> pianoboy3333: Well you should at least get 0.4 from Debian in Edgy
[09:23] <pianoboy3333> I've tried, but I fail every single time I try, for example, I tried doing alltray today..... Does anyone know of a good program I can practice on?
[09:23] <bddebian> Xorg
[09:24] <bddebian> j/k, Don't start with X :-)
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, you could start with upgrading libnotify
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> you get the current source package, look at it, ask questions here if it's not clear, and create a new package for the latest release
[09:25] <pianoboy3333> Isn't libraries harder than binaries?
[09:25] <pianoboy3333> *Aren't
[09:26] <Gloubiboulga> well, not really, you just have to understand how to build 2 binaries from 1 source package
[09:26] <Gloubiboulga> it's not that hard imo (checking the sources ;))
[09:26] <pianoboy3333> ok, lemme try libnotify
[09:27] <pianoboy3333> ok, I have the source, and I've extracted it now?
[09:27] <pianoboy3333> :)
[09:28] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, did you 'apt-get source libnotify' or you got the upstream tarball?
[09:28] <pianoboy3333> the bunzip from the galago homepage
[09:28] <pianoboy3333> of the newest
[09:29] <Gloubiboulga> ok, you should 'apt-get source libnotify' and look what's in the source package
[09:29] <Sp4rKy> does anyone package audacious ?
[09:30] <Sp4rKy> or can i do it ?
[09:31] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, one moment
[09:33] <Hawkwind> Sp4rKy: I was looking at possibly packaging it some day.  Just no time at the moment.  I know if you do I want the debs as I really want audacious
[09:34] <Sp4rKy> k , so i'll try to do it :)
[09:34] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, look at what in the source pacakge?
[09:35] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, the important part is the debian/ folder
[09:35] <pianoboy3333> ok
[09:35] <Hawkwind> Sp4rKy: Let me know if you get it built please.  I really would like a copy of the debs
[09:36] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, I've just seen than libnotify is in main, so you'll have to talk to the main devs to get it in edgy
[09:36] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, but anyway, it's a good way to practice ;)
[09:36] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: I don't care, if I can just use this for my self it's fine
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> Hawkwind, if you really want a deb for installation on your own system , i can send you in few minutes
[09:37] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, so there are a few files in the debian folder
[09:37] <Hawkwind> Sp4rKy: Thanks.  That would be great
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> Hawkwind, but if you want  good deb(s) for REVU wait a little bit more please
[09:37] <Hawkwind> Sp4rKy: Heh ok.  Either way is fine :)
[09:38] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, yep, if you've already tried to build packages I guess you already know what most of these files are for, right?
[09:39] <Sp4rKy> Hawkwind, if you just want audacious , why don't you simply compil it ?
[09:39] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: uhhh, some of them
[09:41] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, which ones don't you know?
[09:41] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: control tells about the project, rules is like the makefile for it, changelog is the changelog, copyright normally has the gnu
[09:42] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: what's the control.in, the .install files,  and notify-send.1, and the compat file
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Sp4rKy: I'd prefer to stick with just debs and not compile anything if I don't have to
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> k
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> i'm packaging :)
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> please, what is the package i need for gtk+-2.0 ?
[09:43] <tseng> libgtk2.0-dev
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> k , thx
[09:44] <tseng> (please direct future questions to #ubuntu)
[09:44] <tseng> oh
[09:44] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, look at the diff between control & control.in, you'll see :) notify-send.1 is a manpage, compat the file which contains the debhelper compatibility
[09:44] <tseng> sorry you are right, i am in the wrong tab
[09:45] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, .install files install files in a particular package (files listed in libnotify-bin.install will be installed in the libnotify-bin binary package)
[09:45] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: control.in has some spots for the configure script to fill it
[09:45] <pianoboy3333> *in
[09:45] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, so now what, go to the new download and do a dh_make and select library?
[09:46] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, nop, you'll just update the package withh uupdate
[09:46] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, how?
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> again a answer , for B-D , i need <package> or <package-dev> ?
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> juste 'cd libnotify-0.3.2 && uupdate ../libnotify-<new_version>.tag.gz'
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> just*
[09:47] <pianoboy3333> Sp4rKy: a -dev package is for compiling the program a regular package is for running it
[09:47] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: it's update or uupdate?
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> pianoboy3333, k , thx
[09:49] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, uupdate
[09:49] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: ok, now?
[09:49] <pianoboy3333> I did that
[09:50] <Gloubiboulga> go into the new directory created (you have seen a message about this new directory)
[09:51] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: righrt
[09:51] <Gloubiboulga> and then edit debian/changelog
[09:52] <pianoboy3333> ok
[09:52] <pianoboy3333> It put me in there
[09:52] <Gloubiboulga> you already have a new entry
[09:52] <pianoboy3333> yes
[09:52] <Gloubiboulga> you just have to edit it with your name, and add details if you want/need to
[09:53] <pianoboy3333> my name is in there and everything alread
[09:53] <pianoboy3333> y
[09:53] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: one more thing, it said on the release, as a note: Add G_BEGIN_DECLS and G_END_DECLS to notify.h, so that libnotify can be used in C++ applications properly.
[09:54] <Gloubiboulga> hum ok
[09:54] <Gloubiboulga> you need to patch the sources for this
[09:54] <Gloubiboulga> I'll let you find how to do this 'cause I won't have enough time
[09:55] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, have you read the Packaging Guide on the wiki?
[09:55] <pianoboy3333> no
[09:55] <Gloubiboulga> you should ;)
[09:56] <Gloubiboulga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[09:57] <Gloubiboulga> actually it's just a spec...
[09:57] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: I read the debian new maintainers guide
[09:59] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[09:59] <pianoboy3333> that wasn't too helpful though, it was good
[10:00] <Gloubiboulga> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:00] <Gloubiboulga> this could help you I guess
[10:00] <pianoboy3333> Gloubiboulga: if you want to see that file, notify.h has been posted to http://pastebin.com/721720
[10:01] <pianoboy3333> I don't know what it means to add those two things though
[10:03] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, those things are allready added, you don't have to worry about this
[10:04] <pianoboy3333> ok
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> pianoboy3333, you just have to create the source package and then build it now, I think it's clearly explained in the doc
[10:04] <Gloubiboulga> and I have to go...
[10:04] <pianoboy3333> yes, I used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build it
[10:05] <Gloubiboulga> yep, but the source package is also very important :)
[10:05] <crimsun> yay for airports
[10:06] <imbrandon> moins crimsun
[10:07] <crimsun> moins *
[10:07] <Gloubiboulga> hey crimsun, imbrandon
[10:07] <imbrandon> hello Gloubiboulga
[10:07] <crimsun> 'lo
[10:17] <pianoboy3333> weird, notification-daemon has a problem patching
[11:04] <Sp4rKy> Hawkwind, if you want i've a package for audacious, but i warn you : it isn't a "advocatable" package , do yo want it ?
[11:08] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: why not put it on REVU so it can be made an advocate-candidate?
[11:08] <crimsun> audacious is pretty straightforward to package
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i'm creating a "good"  package,
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> and i'll put it later
[11:09] <crimsun> so just put the good one up there
[11:09] <Sp4rKy> but actually it's not correct for advocate, but Hawkwind want a .deb to install audacious , so ...
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, but if you want advocate my packages , you can take a look at devede , yersinia , planfacile :)
[11:10] <Sp4rKy> and later audacious i hope :)
[11:10] <crimsun> I can look later, sure.
[11:11] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:11] <crimsun> I can post my audacious and bmpx and give them to you for general maint if you'd like
[11:11] <Sp4rKy> you've create a package for audacious ?
[11:11] <crimsun> yes, months ago
[11:12] <Sp4rKy> so why don't you dput it ?
[11:12] <crimsun> UVF and FF
[11:12] <Sp4rKy> sorry  , what'd UVF and FF ?
[11:12] <crimsun> upstream version freeze and feature freeze, respectively
[11:13] <crimsun> for the Dapper cycle I didn't do much in the way of packaging because I spent so much time with audio
[11:13] <Sp4rKy> k
[11:14] <Sp4rKy> so if you could send me your old package of audacious, and i use it if i can't package it myself :)
[11:14] <crimsun> I can post it sometime tonight when I have more reliable Internet access
[11:15] <Sp4rKy> k :)
[11:15] <Sp4rKy> i'm try to create 3 debs from audacious with dh_install ...
[11:15] <crimsun> where'd you split them?
[11:17] <Sp4rKy> audacious (bin) , lib and lib-dev ...
[11:17] <Sp4rKy> wrong ?
[11:17] <crimsun> it's semantically correct, but does anything actually justify the lib* split?
[11:19] <Sp4rKy> Gloubiboulga said me i should split them
[11:19] <Sp4rKy> do you think i can create a single deb
[11:19] <crimsun> right, that's semantically correct, as I mentioned previously, but does anything actually use libaudacious-dev, for instance?
[11:19] <crimsun> external plugins and so on
[11:20] <Sp4rKy> there is some external plugins
[11:20] <Sp4rKy> /home/max/audatmp/usr/lib/audacious/Input:
[11:20] <Sp4rKy> libaac.so  libcdaudio.so  libconsole.so  libmpg123.so  libsexypsf.so  libtimidity.so  libtonegen.so  libvorbis.so  libwav.so  libwma.so
[11:20] <Sp4rKy> for example
[11:21] <crimsun> err, those are internal to audacious, though
[11:21] <Sp4rKy> oups, so where external lib could be located ?
[11:22] <crimsun> it would be something that an external app/lib could use
[11:22] <crimsun> libaudacious
[11:23] <Sp4rKy> so actually you think i don't need to split audacious in several debs ?
[11:23] <crimsun> audacious fits closely to xmms's packaging style
[11:24] <crimsun> where there's no real need to have a libaudacious, but an audacious-dev is conceivable
[11:24] <Sp4rKy> and what could be put in audacious-dev so ?
[11:24] <crimsun> header file and the static lib
[11:24] <crimsun> files^
[11:25] <phanatic> evening raphink
[11:25] <raphink> hi phanatic
[11:25] <phanatic> raphink: could you make it to uds?
[11:25] <raphink> no
[11:25] <raphink> I'm in Cannes now
[11:26] <phanatic> :( that means you're working?
[11:26] <raphink> yep
[11:26] <raphink> well quite
[11:26] <raphink> it's my first week working
[11:26] <raphink> so I'm not doing much yet
[11:28] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, static are .so ?
[11:28] <crimsun> .a
[11:28] <crimsun> ok, plane's boarding, better scoot
[11:29] <phanatic> raphink: i wish you all the best then for your new work ;)
[11:29] <raphink> thanks
[11:30] <bddebian> You're welcome :)
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> hi bddebian
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, thx , i'll try :)
[11:31] <bddebian> Heya Sp4rKy, how goes the battle? :-)
[11:31] <phanatic> hey bddebian :)
[11:32] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, good, i've dput 3 ackages actually (devede , yersinia & planfacile) and work on audacious
[11:38] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, thx for your help , i've wrote all you said, and i'll work on audacious tomorrow , but now i really must to sleep :)
[11:42] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[11:42] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: good stuff!
[11:42] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, thx :)
[11:42] <Sp4rKy> really ?
[11:43] <bddebian> Of course
[11:43] <Sp4rKy> :D
[11:43] <Sp4rKy> Gloubiboulga, helps me for devede and yersinia, so i think there are correct , but no help for planfacile , so ...
[11:51] <linuxmonkey> can anyone help me, imbrandon was helping me setup chroots: im at the point were I do sudo chroot /var/chroot/edgy32/ and then apt-get update ...is this were I edit the sources file and do dist-upgrade or just when im all done