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bddebianHello03:12
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mhzarkan0x: arregla los cables poh!!05:01
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crimsunevenin'06:22
crimsunerr, mornin'06:22
AmaranthMan, I'm going to have so much fun with this bayesian library.06:39
AmaranthYou can use it to write, say, a factoid bot that figures out what you want on it's own when you ask it a question.06:39
crimsunso is it going to spit out 42 for everything or just that one question?06:40
AmaranthInstead of "!ati" you could ask it "How do I make my ATI card work?" and it could figure out you wanted the ati factoid06:40
Amaranthhehe06:40
HedgeMage:)06:41
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HedgeMagehi Burgundavia 07:30
Burgundaviahey HedgeMage07:30
HedgeMagewhat's up?07:31
Burgundavianot much07:34
HedgeMageAre you in Paris with the others?07:35
Burgundaviano, sadly not07:41
Burgundaviawork conflicted07:41
bimberiWhere is the current version of the EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy document?07:44
Burgundaviabimberi: doc team svn07:46
HedgeMageaww07:47
bimberiBurgundavia: thanks, any website though? help.u.c?07:47
Burgundaviabimberi: wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarting I think07:48
HedgeMagebimberi: there was a copy on the edubuntu wiki at some point, but i've no idea how current it is07:48
bimberiHedgeMage: yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy07:49
Burgundaviabimberi: that is very very old07:50
HedgeMagebimberi: if you can't do SVN, I can pull a copy and email it to you.07:50
bimberiyes, i'm linking to it from another page and wanted to update the link07:50
HedgeMagebimberi: I have the doc tree anyway thanks to cookbook07:50
HedgeMageok one sec, let my sync in case anything was added over the weekend.07:51
Burgundaviahttp://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html07:51
Burgundaviathere is the link07:51
HedgeMageaha07:51
HedgeMageBurgundavia has it for ya :)07:51
Burgundaviathat is not permanent07:51
bimberiHedgeMage: thankyou! it's ok though, i'm at revision 3144 :)07:52
HedgeMage:)07:52
bimberiBurgundavia: aha, thanks, i'll link to that with qualifying text07:52
Burgundaviabimberi: what page are you linking from?07:55
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HedgeMagehi jsgotangco 07:57
jsgotangcobonjour!07:57
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Burgundaviahey jsgotangco07:57
jsgotangcogood morning Burgundavia07:58
Burgundaviaheh, good night for me07:58
Burgundaviaany, that is good night07:58
Burgundaviamight not be on very much07:58
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HedgeMage:)08:04
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Amaranth7am in paris08:07
Amarantheither you didn't party last night or you're cruel to yourself08:07
HedgeMagelol08:08
jsgotangco8am08:12
jsgotangcoi still a bit jetlagged considering its now 2pm in my home08:12
HedgeMagehehe08:13
jsgotangcobut at the moment, its just me, BenC and colin in the room hogging the bandwidth08:13
HedgeMagehehe08:13
HedgeMageI'm not a good roommate... I snore, I keep odd hours, and I hog the bandwidth :P08:14
HedgeMageso you folks are probably glad I'm not there :P08:14
crimsunwhat you mean, susan, is that you'd fit right in.08:15
HedgeMageLOL08:19
HedgeMageso we're all whackos? I'd never have guessed :P08:19
crimsunyeah, I should be asleep two hours ago08:19
bimberi:/  missed Burgundavia's question08:20
HedgeMagewant to know what's really sick? I should be sleeping but I'm about to play monopoly online with a friend because we haven't in a while and it sounds fun08:20
HedgeMageany of you other non-sleeping people want to join us?08:20
crimsunI'd love to, but I think I'm going to kick myself for missing the alarm for an 8:30 presentation08:21
HedgeMagethe client, atlantik, is available on the repos08:21
HedgeMagecrimsun: ouch :(08:21
crimsuntake a few hotels for me, though :)08:22
HedgeMage:)08:22
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HedgeMagehmm, I suppose that means we have to play the Euro game board rather than the traditional one...08:23
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bimberiWe got a "Millenium Edition" recently.  $2million for passing go :)08:28
bimberiBut went back to the old one, it's much better for my sons' maths ($28 rent, "give me $30 and i'll give you $2")08:30
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highvoltagegood morning09:39
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EmxBAhi everyone09:53
EmxBAbluekuja: ping09:53
EmxBAhighvoltage: ping09:53
EmxBAI really need to tell you something *important*09:54
EmxBAthe site I am working on09:54
EmxBA"skolarci"09:54
EmxBAschool-kid09:54
EmxBAis now available (english) on http://emx.abshost.net/skolarci/09:54
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EmxBAHedgeMage: ping09:55
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EmxBAhi jane_10:04
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xwind_hello ...10:16
xwind_When installing xubuntu - ltsp server on i386 the screen blanks-out during chroot build. There appears to be some activity after that but the screen stays like that forcing me to reboot the computer without finishing the installation. Is this a bug? I tried edubuntu and the same behaviour is observed. I have dapper 6.06 LTS.10:17
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chupacabrasI installed edubuntu by accident, I was thinking I was installing ubuntu desktop, but I think I like it.10:20
jsgotangcolol10:20
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chupacabrasI guess is gonna give me the same functionality anyway.10:20
chupacabrasI'm gonna give it a try, The app calle Tux Paint rocks, maybe I would never had used it before if it wasn't for this accidental instalation.10:22
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jsgotangcosupertux heh10:26
rodarvusjsgotangco, you wouldn't hug chupacabras if you knew the meaning of his name :)10:27
jsgotangcomeh10:28
jsgotangcoewww i love my blood10:29
chupacabrasSo, are you all teachers?10:36
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pierhi !11:11
jsgotangcohi!11:12
LaserJockhi jsgotangco 11:12
LaserJocklong time, no see11:12
jsgotangcoyes its been a while11:13
highvoltagewhere have you guys been!?11:14
rodarvusdownstairs :)11:14
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xwind_hello oliver, got my mail?11:20
xwind_got ur reply. thanks.11:32
ogra:)11:32
jsgotangcohmm11:33
jsgotangcoare we having a meeting later?11:33
LaserJockrodarvus: yeah, are we going to meet today11:34
ograjsgotangco, hmm ... 11:34
LaserJockrodarvus: my schedule is pretty light11:34
rodarvusgreat11:34
ograthat'd be 10pm today then11:35
jsgotangcoheck why not make a live meeting heh11:35
ograjsgotangco, beacuse we do that all day anyway ? 11:35
jsgotangcohahaha11:36
jsgotangcoogra: do you have plans going out?11:36
ograwell, there is that festival in paris ... 11:36
ogranot sure yet11:36
rodarvus:)11:36
ograthe ltsp stuff this morning has added a *lot* to my todo 11:37
rodarvuswhich kind of music is going on on the festival:11:37
rodarvus?11:37
jsgotangcoare we approving rodarvus?11:37
ograjazz i heard11:37
rodarvusjazz is great stuff11:37
ograjsgotangco, please make him an admin on all teams *if* we decide to approve him ;)11:37
jsgotangcofete de la musique11:37
LaserJockbig if there ;-)11:37
jsgotangcoheh11:37
ograwe should probably vote on it ;)11:38
rodarvus:)11:38
jsgotangcorodarvus: i heard beer is a good motivator11:38
LaserJocksure, I need to grilling practice11:38
ograso he has a chance to bribe ;)11:38
LaserJockmore eiffiel towers?11:38
ogralol11:38
jsgotangcowell i should see paris at night11:39
rodarvushaha11:39
LaserJockjsgotangco: its probably the same as in the day, but a bit darker11:39
jsgotangcoyeah like it gets dark here at 10PM11:39
ograLaserJock, are you even sure you can take them home with you ? homeland security might take them as a weapon with that tip :)11:39
LaserJockogra: good point ;-)11:40
LaserJockI'll have to sneak them in my luggage11:40
LaserJockI'll just say that I got them in the US (made in China) ;-)11:41
ograrodarvus, we can only accept you in the edubuntu-members team in a EC meeting 11:41
ograbut since we even have RL quorum we can make a quick one here later ;)11:42
jsgotangcobeer *cough*11:42
ograjsgotangco, no, i mean he needs to fulfill the prerequisites like everybody else ...11:42
LaserJockwater *cough*11:42
rodarvus'k, I'll get beer + water + wine at the supermarket later today :)11:43
ograi.e. wikipage review ... check for signed CoC tell us his vision 11:43
rodarvusogra, sure, no problem11:43
jsgotangcofair enough but i give him + points on beer11:43
ograhehe11:43
ograwell, me too 11:43
ograseems we'll get *really* drunk tonight11:43
ograall these teams11:43
rodarvusactually, I'd really want follow the correct procedure to join all groups11:43
LaserJockI don't except beer as bribes, I can't get the stuff down11:43
LaserJocka Pepsi maybe11:44
rodarvusyou don't drink beer?11:44
ograrodarvus, only edubuntu-members is restricted11:44
rodarvusogra, oh, ok11:44
jsgotangcothere's IV beer if you want11:44
rodarvusthere's non-alcoholic beer if you don't mind its taste ;)11:44
rodarvuswine also is quite ok11:44
rodarvusI'd like to go to the supermarket (maybe after lunch) and get a few bottles11:45
rodarvusnot the expensive ones doko bought, but I'm looking for quality wine still11:45
jsgotangcorodarvus: i'll go with you11:46
jsgotangcoi want to see the countryside if it doesn't rain11:46
rodarvusgreat11:46
rodarvusoh, yeah :/11:46
rodarvusit look like its going to rain today11:46
rodarvuswell, we'll see11:46
jsgotangcohow does it feel paying 20 for an adapter11:47
rodarvusI've just sent an email to my wife11:47
jsgotangcohaha11:47
rodarvusand didn't mentioned the adapter :D11:47
LaserJocklol11:47
LaserJockI told my wife how smart I was to go to Wal-Mart before I left ;-)11:47
rodarvusLaser_away, you're right :)11:47
jsgotangcoi am with my wife on gtalk now and told her i am driniking tap water and she said i should buy bottled lol11:47
rodarvusthe thing is, I wasn't able to find an adapter before I left Brazil11:48
rodarvusthats the problem with (un)developing countries11:48
jsgotangcoso i'll probably buy that money for bottled water for beer instaed hahaha11:48
jsgotangcorodarvus: same here i was told a standard 2 prong Europlug should work11:48
rodarvusjsgotangco, good idea ;)11:48
LaserJockjsgotangco: well, it does if you have the right one11:48
jsgotangcoyeah11:49
jsgotangconow i know why some are a bit higher than usual11:49
rodarvusjsgotangco, yeah, actually, the "universal" power adapter has no french output (just a thin european plug, which is also ok)11:49
rodarvuss/power adapter/power adapter I bought/11:50
jsgotangcoas long as its higher than usual11:50
rodarvusyup, that oo11:50
rodarvustoo even11:50
xwind_ogra: xubuntu ltsp install a success.11:55
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xwind_thanks for the hint.11:55
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xwind_after a "successful" xubuntu install, i am getting this error on my thinclient: "mount: 172.29.2.200:/opt/ltsp/i386 failed, reason given by server: Permission Denied". Hints please.12:31
highvoltagexwind_: what's in /etc/exports?12:42
highvoltagexwind_: is nfs-kernel-server running?12:42
xwind_i see several nfs when doing ps -ef|grep nfsd12:42
xwind_i have this in my /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)12:43
highvoltagehmm... that seems fine. can you hang around a while? i could ask ogra in a few minutes, he's just busy drafting a sspec atm.12:48
xwind_ok. one thing though. during my xubuntu ltsp install, the screen blanked out during the chroot build.12:49
xwind_then, after ogra confirmed that it was a xorg bug, i just let the install proceed blindly and hit the enter key when the machine is inactive.12:50
xwind_I pressed the Enter key twice perhaps accepting a default option without really knowing the question. :)12:51
xwind_then the install was finished as indicated by the cd tray coming out. i booted and there it was the xubuntu desktop.12:51
highvoltageyou might be able to resuem the ltsp setup section by doing a ltsp-build-client12:54
highvoltagebut i think it would be best ifyou hang around for ogra12:54
xwind_i'll wait.12:55
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xwind_highvoltage: no luck. ogra just left.01:19
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chidoHi01:43
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bddebianHello05:18
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pygihello people05:40
LaserJockhi pygi 05:41
pygihey hey LaserJock, what's up? :)05:41
LaserJockspecing05:41
pygiah :)05:41
pyginice ^^05:42
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cberloHi folks.  I just installed Edubuntu from the live CD and found out that LTSP wasn't a default part of that install.  Are there complete instructions for this method of installation to get the "full" LTSP server install up and running?06:21
LaserJockuse the alternate cd06:22
LaserJockthe livecd doesn't have enough space to do the ltsp server part, I believe06:23
cberloLaserJock: At this point, I already have everything installed to my hard drive.  I've installed the ltsp-server-standalone and followed the instructions from ThinClientHowto to complete the install.  I know I did it the hard way, but is there documentation I missed somewhere?06:24
LaserJockhmm, I'm not sure if it says something on the edubuntu website or not, it might06:25
LaserJockif you get a CD from shipit it will be the alternate cd, it might be called something else06:25
cberloOkay.  I've got those on order, but I want to get testing this stuff right away -- we have an opening for Open Source and I want to take advantage ASAP.  :)06:26
cberloBasically, once I get all the necessary stuff installed, I run "sudo ltsp-client-build", right?06:26
cberloer... ltsp-build-client06:27
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cberloOkay, well where can I make a suggestion on clarifying the documentation?  (i.e. make sure you use xyz CD to install, not the live CD; if you use the live CD, you'll need to follow abc instructions)06:31
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Amaranthare we doing the edubuntu meeting?07:36
pygihey HedgeMage 07:37
HedgeMageAmaranth: in about 1.5 hours07:37
HedgeMagehi pygi 07:37
pygiAmaranth, hey hey07:37
HedgeMagewhat's up?07:37
pygiworking on fixing bugs, and just registered two projects of mine on LP07:37
pygiso you could file bugs and test them :P07:37
pygiThinking of student reviews also...07:39
AmaranthHedgeMage: 2.507:39
HedgeMagedarn time zones... :)07:40
HedgeMagepygi: which projects?07:40
pygiHedgeMage, Diva and Bonfire07:40
HedgeMagebonfire == cd burning IIRC, what's Diva?07:41
pygiHedgeMage, www.diva-project.org07:41
AmaranthHedgeMage: i got the ical from the fridge07:41
Amaranthevolution converts to local time for me07:41
Amaranthback in a bit, need to move the modem/router07:41
HedgeMagepygi: ahh fun07:41
pygiHedgeMage, :)07:42
pygiHedgeMage, test Bonfire? :)07:43
HedgeMagepygi: remind me when this crazy week is over.07:44
pygiHedgeMage, hehe, oki :)07:44
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juliuxgreetings07:45
pygibest regards jinty 07:46
pygijuliux, 07:46
pygi*07:46
HedgeMagehi juliux 07:46
juliuxhas somebody allready a edubuntu dapper cd?07:47
HedgeMageI have ones I burned... my pressed ones haven't arrived yet07:52
juliuxok07:52
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HedgeMageUgh, my laptop came back from the hospital needing 92 package upgrades08:27
HedgeMagesheesh08:27
Burgworkdapper or breezy?08:30
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cbx33hey all08:34
cbx33meeting tonight right?08:39
HedgeMagedepends on if it's day or night where you are. :P  Yes, in about 1.5 hours08:40
cbx33true08:46
cbx33how are you HedgeMage 08:46
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HedgeMagecbx33: not bad, you?08:49
cbx33yeh I'm good08:49
HedgeMagebrb grabbing a power cord for the lappy08:52
popeyhello cbx33 08:53
cbx33hey popey 08:54
cbx33howz it going08:54
popeyyeah not bad08:54
popeyraving to people about sbackup08:54
cbx33I've been writing python apps :D08:54
cbx33sbackup??08:54
popeyso i see08:54
popeya python frontend which controlls regular backups08:54
cbx33hehe going quite well08:54
popeyapt-get it, it's lovely08:54
cbx33oooh nice08:54
cbx33well if you handle isos frequently08:54
popeybackup to local dir or remote location, usb hdd, whatever, very nicely done08:54
popeyyeah, looks neat, i like it08:55
cbx33give gisomount a try and lemme know if it works good08:55
cbx33will be looking for beta testers soon08:55
popeycount me in08:55
cbx33it'll hopefully be in universe sometime next week08:55
popeyexcellent, well done08:55
cbx33and I'm also doing one to keep the daily cd builds up to date08:55
cbx33ogra wrote a script that goes and coolects them08:56
cbx33so I made afront end08:56
cbx33still in heavy beta at the mo08:57
=== Yagisan tried sbackup. i stopped when I couldn't get gmaifs to work. I wanted to backup to gmailfs.
cbx33gmail fs?08:58
cbx33popey, howz the job going?08:59
popeynot bad, finish soon, going to take some time off :)08:59
popeygmailfs allows you to access your email space on gmail as if it was a filesystem08:59
popeyyou could backup to a location then script the upload to gmailfs?09:00
lucasvopopey: and encrypt it :)09:00
popeyah, good point09:00
Yagisannope. gmailfs refused to work at all09:00
lucasvogoogle is bigbrother09:00
popeyoh, ok09:01
=== Yagisan has hundreds of invites
popeyin this country google is the least of my worries09:01
=== Yagisan planed to raid the gmailfs
cbx33popey, hehehe09:01
popeywe have a big brother state, but that's for another channel I'm sure09:01
Yagisan2gb x 300 invites == lots of space09:01
Yagisanjust think of all the crap^W stuff you could upload09:02
cbx33heheh09:03
cbx33how does gmailfs work?09:03
cbx33is it sent as http traffic?09:03
popeyor https i guess09:04
popeyyou can use https with gmail09:04
HedgeMagecbx33: it's a protocol designed to give people like me the creeps :P09:04
Yagisancbx33: it's sent as emails, with a 2mb chunk size09:05
cbx33:S09:05
cbx33I thinking of the school here09:05
cbx33everything apart from 80 443 and 25 is blocked09:05
cbx33sorry09:05
cbx33not 2509:05
cbx332109:05
cbx33but it'srestricted to anon download only for 2109:06
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=== Yagisan will probally scare it out of him
cbx33hehe09:09
=== cbx33 would love an openVPN solution
cbx33esxcept it's against the TOS09:09
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Yagisancbx33: really ?09:11
cbx33yup09:11
DanielCWhat is TOS?09:12
Yagisanit really says no vpn ?09:12
cbx33it's connecting the citys network to an open network09:12
cbx33they don't allow that09:12
YagisanDanielC: Terms Of Service09:12
DanielCthanks09:12
cbx33sorry DanielC 09:12
Yagisancbx33: ah, plain hhtp violates that then09:12
Yagisans/hhtp/http09:12
Yagisanbub kicking me while I type09:13
DanielCPhone lines violate that :)09:13
cbx33no09:13
cbx33DanielC, yes09:13
cbx33if we have a laptop connected to the phoneline and to the network at the same time we are breaking the ToS09:13
cbx33even if it's not dialed out09:13
DanielCheh09:13
cbx33Yagisan, http traffic is filtered through them09:13
cbx33so they class that as safe09:14
Yagisancbx33: not 443 (ssl)09:14
DanielCemail?09:14
cbx33true09:14
cbx33DanielC, denied09:14
Yagisancbx33: they can't filter it09:14
cbx33Yagisan, I know09:14
Yagisanso you *are* wide open09:14
Yagisanstunnel09:14
cbx33Yagisan, true09:14
Yagisanit looks like normal ssl traffic09:14
cbx33stunnel eh?09:14
Yagisanheh heh heh09:14
cbx33tuneel one port to antoher of 443?09:14
cbx33is that like openvpn?09:15
Yagisancbx33: it wraps things in ssl09:16
Yagisanyou'll still need an endpoint outside to relay for you09:16
cbx33yes09:16
cbx33Yagisan, you happen to have one?09:16
cbx33:p09:16
=== Yagisan notes with some irony that he is doing the exact opposite of his day job
cbx33Yagisan, yeh but in trusted hands it's ok09:17
cbx33and plus it can't go back into the network again09:17
Yagisancbx33: sure, if you don't mind 64kbit (what I'm shaped too)09:17
cbx33Yagisan, that'd be fine for what I need09:17
cbx33so....if for example I wanted to ssh to somewhere09:18
cbx33I would use stunnel 09:18
Yagisancbx33: what you want is your app port x -> wrapper port y -> Internet -> a remote box -> final destination09:19
cbx33did you get my pm?09:20
Yagisancbx33: tony blair ? no he's still in the UK09:21
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HedgeMageanyone else going to the meeting or is it just me?10:02
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HedgeMageno clue, mine aren't here yet either10:31
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HedgeMagehiya pygi 11:53
pygiheya HedgeMage 11:54
pygiHedgeMage, it's not good to run so many systems on so little ram :P11:59
HedgeMagelol12:00
pygiHedgeMage, just you laugh :P12:02

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