[01:00] <lnxkde> :)
[01:00] <lnxkde> back from work
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello
[03:57] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: thanks
[04:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: it doesnt require libvisual0.4-dev to install - it's a b-d
[04:08] <Hobbsee> FYI
[04:13] <Hobbsee> okay, amarok 1.4.1 works now, good :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: pung
[04:49] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: you're not imbrandon :P
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Deja vu!
[04:52] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: he's still sleeping
[04:52] <linuxmonkey> anything I can help ya with, 
[04:52] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: not really, i think i found what i was looking for
[04:52] <Hobbsee> you can test amarok 1.4.1 beta 1, if you like
[04:53] <linuxmonkey> allready am
[04:53] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:53] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> oh for goodness sake, i really am an idiot today.
[04:53] <linuxmonkey> was the first one testing it
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:54] <linuxmonkey> yeah and he was supposed to show me how to package stuff but he never woke up and im going to bed soon
[04:55] <linuxmonkey> oh well another day :) atleast i got my dapper and edgy chroots
[04:56] <DaSkreech> It's slower than a Vista release though :(
[04:57] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: see PM from bot.
[04:57] <linuxmonkey> yeah i read that
[04:57] <Hobbsee> that's the guide on how to package
[04:57] <Hobbsee> oh darn!  now i'll need a chroot again.
[04:57] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:58] <Hobbsee> and my chroots are screwed, for some reason.
[04:58] <freeflying|away> moin all
[04:58] <linuxmonkey> that stinks
[04:58] <linuxmonkey> moin moin 2 you 2
[04:59] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: oh well, i can still build the source...i just wont know if it works in a pbuilder...
[05:00] <linuxmonkey> lol yeah i'm gonna have to wait till tommorow to attack this, im in desperate need of sleep
[05:00] <linuxmonkey> say its midnight here and I work at 6am
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Hmm well kopete doens't work anymore
[05:10] <DaSkreech> man I hate kopete
[05:10] <nixternal> i do to
[05:10] <nixternal> i hate gaim
[05:10] <nixternal> sim i haven't tried yet though
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Whats sim?
[05:10] <nixternal> a new one on kde-apps
[05:10] <nixternal> high score too
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Hmmm
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that's weird.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> these visualisations look odd...
[05:12] <DaSkreech> They are even over here
[05:12] <nixternal> amaroK visualizations?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ah, good, with libvisual0.4?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> ahhhhm
[05:14] <DaSkreech> No 0.2
[05:15] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hmmm okay.  define your "odd"?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Well I'm not sure what's your odd?
[05:16] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/visualizations.png
[05:16] <nixternal> mine look good
[05:17] <Hobbsee> the colours look weird - they seem to flash and constantly change colours as the music plays
[05:17] <nixternal> the opengl one moves kind of fast....but it is clean as are the other ones
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Which one are you looking at first of all?
[05:17] <nixternal> version?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which version is that?
[05:17] <nixternal> same as yours
[05:18] <nixternal> the ones imbrandon_ did
[05:18] <nixternal> lol
[05:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: he didnt do the 0.4 plugins
[05:18] <nixternal> i got the same package though from his server
[05:19] <nixternal> i got it ;)
[05:19] <nixternal> it was part of the package deal earlier
[05:19] <nixternal> when i did # sudo apt-get install amarok
[05:19] <nixternal> it installed it 
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: he doesnt have any plugins on that repo...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> it's got libvisual0.4, but not libvisual0.4plugins
[05:20] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:21] <Hobbsee> er, what have i done?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, probably, what would you convert it to?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> .ogg?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:24] <DaSkreech>  me thinks that KDe is being fooled
[05:24] <DaSkreech>  I have a MP3 and a Wav rip of the same song
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Same size
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Sounds fishy
[05:27] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: in konq?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Hence KDE being fooled :)
[05:28] <DaSkreech> KOnq is pretty much the face of KDE :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's actually a feature - there is only one track, but it's automatically converting it for you, and telling you the file size.  hence it takes ages to copy
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: no I meant I just came upon them in a folder
[05:29] <DaSkreech> I'm not ripping them now
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hmm
[05:30] <DaSkreech> And I think that AIM has me flagged as terrorist or a Linux user :(
[05:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: LJ has a protocol?
[09:02] <nixternal> moin ;)
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal - nice sleep?
[09:03] <nixternal> nice little nap is more like it
[09:03] <nixternal> 3.5 hours...im ready to go
[09:03] <nixternal> whats on the agenda ;)
[09:03] <Hobbsee> no idea
[09:04] <nixternal> ts active yet?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[09:08] <mornfall> Riddell: we aren't scheduled today either? :\
[09:09] <Hobbsee> mornfall: make up our own schedule?  :P
[09:11] <mornfall> yeah, again
[09:11] <Hobbsee> fun
[09:15] <mornfall> hmm, is it me or someone here is "cheating" on the half-year release cycle? :] 
[09:16] <nixternal> what name is next?
[09:16] <Oak_> nixternal: Hobbsee again
[09:17] <mornfall> what's up?
[09:17] <mornfall> oak
[09:17] <mornfall> that's the old name for java
[09:17] <mornfall> brr
[09:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: Creamier_Oak is another name i sometimes use.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> very very rarely now though
[09:18] <mornfall> creamier oak? .... weeird
[09:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, old nick on zone.com
[09:19] <Hobbsee> and yahoo games
[09:19] <Hobbsee> had to be something that was in no way shape or form linked to hobbsee, or any of my emails.
[09:21] <Hobbsee> mornfall: it was a random nick without a number in it, that's why it got picked.
[09:23] <mornfall> heh
[09:23] <mornfall> okey :)
[09:23] <mornfall> what's zone.com
[09:24] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, now it's linked :] 
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well, yeah..but now i dont use that old link
[09:24] <Hobbsee> it's a gaming site - it uses activex though :(
[09:24] <mornfall> i wouldn't go and look anyway
[09:25] <Hobbsee> spades on it is fun :D
[09:25] <Hobbsee> so's suicide checkers, where the aim is to lose.
[09:29] <mornfall> hehe
[09:30] <Hobbsee> seeing as i'm terrible at normal checkers :)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> actually, we had a lot of fun. me, a new zealander, and a couple of people from the us - we had lots of fun making up stuff, which they believed :P
[09:36] <mornfall> or they pretended they believe and you believed them :))
[09:37] <Hobbsee> haha yeah, true
[01:00] <Tonio_> hey$
[01:01] <freeflying|away> Tonio_: hi
[01:01] <Tonio_> fine freeflying|away ?
[01:02] <freeflying|away> Tonio_: ya, just enjoy every soccer match  :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:03] <Tonio_> I'm fine not to love football during the worlcup
[01:04] <imbrandon> heya freeflying|away / Tonio_
[01:05] <freeflying|away> hi imbrandon 
[01:10] <Tonio_> yop imbrandon
[01:23] <nixternal> moin everyone
[01:43] <goldenear> Riddell: I've a professional meeting right now, I will be at radisson's hotel at 4 pm
[02:00] <mornfall> Riddell: poke me when something interesting starts to happen
[02:00] <mornfall> i'm hidden in my room for now
[02:01] <Riddell> mornfall: ok
[02:01] <Riddell> mornfall: what should we put into the kubuntu-edgy-package-manager spec?
[02:01] <mornfall> well, nothing? there was no discussion so far
[02:01] <Riddell> yep
[02:03] <MidMark> Riddell: in the faq page http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php there are two links to breezy yet
[02:04] <MidMark> the one that point to the source
[02:04] <MidMark> the other one that point to the known problems (broken)
[02:04] <mornfall> System of a Down -- Psycho
[02:07] <sebas> Sing!
[02:07] <Riddell> MidMark: changed
[02:08] <Riddell> although I'm almost certain that I already did that
[02:09] <MidMark> Riddell: anyway now it is ok :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when do we get imbrandon's amarok files hosted?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> if you're html'ing
[02:11] <nixternal> moin moin
[02:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[02:11] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/   <--- Riddell 
[02:13] <MidMark> I've seen that 1.4.1b1 needs libvisual, is there a plan to put them in main? And if yes also for dapper?
[02:13] <Riddell> probably not until after the conference
[02:13] <imbrandon> MidMark, i packaged libvisual0.4 also ( and -dev and -plugins )
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, just thought to raise it while you were html editing
[02:14] <MidMark> imbrandon: I've seen but they are for edgy dapper or both?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> MidMark: dapper
[02:14] <MidMark> Hobbsee: ok great
[02:15] <imbrandon> MidMark, i packaged them for dapper but they probbly wont make it into dapper proper ( only kubuntu.org )
[02:15] <imbrandon> but for sure in edgy
[02:16] <MidMark> imbrandon: yes like kde 3.5.3
[02:16] <imbrandon> right
[02:17] <imbrandon> whom knows though Riddell might get some freetime and -backport them for us ;) ( after the confrence of cource )
[02:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: what happened to  exscalibar?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's in your kde 3.5.3 packages
[02:17] <Riddell> it is?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's me who couldnt get a chroot to work
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure
[02:18] <imbrandon> Riddell, he was trying to enable univer and mutiverse so he coudl install nvida-glx and others
[02:18] <imbrandon> *wait now i'm confused*
[02:18] <imbrandon> lol
[02:18] <Riddell>  exscalibar is a package in http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14/pool-dapper/
[02:18] <Riddell> is it used in your amarok packages?
[02:19] <imbrandon> yea its in your repos
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, libexscalibar-dev
[02:19] <imbrandon> those was built fgor kde 3.5.3
[02:19] <imbrandon> from your repos
[02:19] <Riddell> which repo?
[02:19] <imbrandon> kubuntu.org kde-latest
[02:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: why?
[02:20] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[02:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, said they require kde 3.5.3 or was it apachelogger dunno but i took their word for it
[02:20] <raphink> pong?
[02:20] <imbrandon> and built against kde 3.5.3
[02:20] <Hobbsee> no, it would have been me
[02:20] <Tonio_> raphink: do you have access to irc during work ?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i'd forgotten i'd had the amarok 1.4 repo enabled
[02:21] <imbrandon> hrm i can rebuild against a clean dapper if it will build
[02:21] <imbrandon> thats not a problem
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Filename: pool-dapper/libexscalibar1_1.0.4-5_i386.deb <-- that shows it's either in the amarok repo, or the kde 3.5.3 one
[02:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ftbfs in a clean dapper, that's why i had a problem
[02:22] <Riddell> it's not part of kde, only amarok
[02:22] <Riddell> apt-cache showsrc
[02:22] <MidMark> Riddell: another broken link -> installing kde, 3rd question :)
[02:22] <Riddell> MidMark: pardon?
[02:22] <MidMark> Riddell: in the faq page
[02:23] <Hobbsee> didnt Riddell fix that before?  clearly not.
[02:23] <MidMark> Hobbsee: fixed two, but I fint a third one ;)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> no, i thought he fixed one a while ago
[02:23] <imbrandon> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16174
[02:24] <Riddell> MidMark: ok, try now
[02:24] <imbrandon> riddell, i'll try it against a clean dapper chroot though
[02:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: use only   deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:24] <MidMark> Riddell: fixed now...
[02:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok
[02:25] <Riddell> and download the packages from amarok-latest manually
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's the deb for exscaliber?  on http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14/pool-dapper/
[02:25] <Riddell> MidMark: thanks
[02:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you go look for it, and give me the exact file path?
[02:25] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14/pool-dapper/libexscalibar1_1.0.4-5_i386.deb
[02:26] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14/pool-dapper/libexscalibar1-dev_1.0.4-5_i386.deb
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh ok, so exscaliber is the source package, hence there's not a deb for it.
[02:26] <Riddell> yes
[02:26] <Hobbsee> right.  i think i get the duncecap award of the day again then.
[02:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:27] <imbrandon> no spacebars today Hobbsee ?
[02:27] <MidMark> Riddell: it's a pleasure
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hah.
[02:27] <imbrandon> Riddell, so dont use -security etc etc etc in the chroot ?
[02:28] <Riddell> no
[02:28] <imbrandon> either
[02:28] <imbrandon> ok
[02:28] <Riddell> because some users may not have -security etc enabled
[02:28] <imbrandon> only main, got it , ok give me a while to build a clean chroot and rebuild
[02:29] <Hobbsee> what the heck is wrong with me/my system tonight?
[02:29] <imbrandon> heheh
[02:30] <imbrandon> ohhh i was gonna ask you
[02:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, still here ?
[02:31] <imbrandon> can you look at the way i packaged libvisual0.4{-dev/-plugins} and tell why its not wanting to "replace" libvisual0.2* but install alongside ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you say in the control that the 0.4 ones replace the 0.2 ones?
[02:32] <imbrandon> i beleave so, but i'll look when i'm rebuilding all this
[02:33] <Riddell> imbrandon: no time just now
[02:34] <imbrandon> np i'll figure it out
[02:34] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[02:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah, next release - can someone remember to check if all of kde gets removed when upgrading to edgy?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> it's kinda annoying to lose all of kde, then have to add it manually again.
[02:50] <imbrandon> lol
[02:53] <Tonio_> raphink: I'm back :)
[02:53] <raphink> ok
[02:53] <raphink> I'm stil there ):
[02:53] <Tonio_> raphink: sorry but the wireless network in the hotel is quite unstable
[02:53] <raphink> hehe np
[02:53] <raphink> the network here is great on the other hand ;)
[02:55] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you're evil :P
[02:55] <mornfall> The Gathering -- Analog Park
[02:55] <sebas> Actually, that is where ssh / screen / irssi shines, you can loose network connection without losing context of your irc session
[02:55] <Hobbsee> mornfall: how so?  there's a BOF on smart at the moment, if you're at all interested
[02:55] <mornfall> Hobbsee: oh i forgot that
[02:55] <mornfall> grmble
[02:55] <mornfall> what is "at the moment"?
[02:56] <mornfall> 15:00?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mornfall: currently, now
[02:56] <imbrandon> like in the middlle
[02:56] <mornfall> well, if it was 14:00 it is about to end
[02:56] <imbrandon> 14:30 i think ? not sure i got in late
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mornfall: it's on teamspeak too, if that helps.  pity i didnt think of it earler
[02:56] <Hobbsee> *earlier
[02:56] <mornfall> it's about to end
[02:56] <mornfall> as in, the slot is running out
[02:57] <mornfall> i'm not on teamspeak
[02:57] <mornfall> there is no fscking internet here
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[02:57] <mornfall> i mean, only thing that barely works here is UDP
[02:57] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:57] <Hobbsee> UDP?
[02:57] <imbrandon> tcp / udp 
[02:57] <imbrandon> stateless protocal Hobbsee
[02:57] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[02:57] <mornfall> well, i'm tunelling stuff out through ipsec-over-udp
[02:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: best thing for upgrading would be to persuade mornfall to put dist-upgrade functionality into adept
[02:58] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:58] <mornfall> Riddell: best thing would be to fix the screwed up (meta?)packages that break dist-upgrade :)
[02:58] <Riddell> mornfall: you mean by using Recommends?
[02:58] <mornfall> the next best thing is a better dist-upgrade algorithm
[02:59] <mornfall> Riddell: that could be an option, in case some obscure hard-dependency caused the problem, yes
[02:59] <mornfall> in fact
[02:59] <mornfall> all of these problems are basically due to improper use of the packaging system
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, yeah...
[03:00] <mornfall> metapackages are an abomination
[03:00] <mornfall> but well, we are already screwed, so too late to fix that
[03:01] <apokryphos> mornfall: you don't think there's any chance the system would be changed in the not-so-distant future?
[03:01] <apokryphos> a bit sad, I feel
[03:01] <mornfall> well, what system?
[03:02] <mornfall> and changed how?
[03:02] <mornfall> there are several ways how to unbreak it
[03:02] <mornfall> and possibly some of them will even materialize for edgy
[03:02] <apokryphos> the use of metapackages in debian/ubuntu, I mean
[03:02] <mornfall> metapackages are not going away as far as i can say
[03:02] <Riddell> mornfall: where are you at the moment?
[03:02] <mornfall> Riddell: my room
[03:03] <mornfall> i could go to the Breaks bof tho
[03:03] <Riddell> mornfall: can I join you and we'll work on the kubuntu-edgy-package-manager spec?
[03:03] <Riddell> ah, breaks sounds important for you
[03:03] <mornfall> breaks is one of those things that have a potential to reduce upgrade problems
[03:04] <mornfall> well, i'll run there and see how it goes
[03:04] <seaLne> what is breaks?
[03:04] <mornfall> and eventually we can do something with kubuntu-edgy-pm
[03:04] <mornfall> laters
[03:04] <Riddell> seaLne: replacement for Replaces: Conflicts:
[03:04] <seaLne> ah ok
[03:06] <apokryphos> wow, the whole new amarok design looks quite impressive so far
[03:07] <apokryphos> now playing on top, like juk
[03:07] <Riddell> playing on top?
[03:07] <apokryphos> the context sidebar, as it was before
[03:07] <apokryphos> (song title, cover, etc)
[03:08] <Riddell> and what's there now?
[03:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i16177
[03:13] <seaLne> can a diff file in debian/patches have multiple files changed in it? they are the same fix
[03:14] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[03:14] <nixternal> Riddell: i am in the process of doing some bug triage and have come across some bugs assigned to you that havent' been commented on in a few months or the application involved is obsolete. do you have special plans for thos bugs, or is it ok to close them due to them being old?
[03:14] <seaLne> thought so, thanks
[03:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which ones?
[03:14] <nixternal> right now im in amaroK dir for malone
[03:15] <Riddell> nixternal: got numbers
[03:15] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm in a bof just now, will answer when i can
[03:15] <nixternal> np Riddell
[03:15] <nixternal> no rush ;)
[03:16] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amaroK/+bug/    <- a few oldies here Hobbsee
[03:16] <nixternal> 23289 for instance is amaroK 1.3.1 from breezy updates
[03:17] <nixternal> #23289
[03:17] <nixternal> forgot ubugtu was in here
[03:17] <apokryphos> great! Now I'm told the new style has been reverted in svn....
[03:17] <apokryphos> so the old design is gonna be back :-O
[03:17] <nixternal> don't you just love when that happens ;)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:18] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: hah, great
[03:18] <imbrandon> NOOOO
[03:18] <imbrandon> i like the new look
[03:18] <apokryphos> mainly because it's too much work for a minor release
[03:19] <imbrandon> gah
[03:19] <apokryphos> [14:15:52]  <leinir> The logic still needs work :)
[03:19] <apokryphos> [14:15:56]  <leinir> but no worries, it'll return with a vengeance in 2.0 :
[03:19] <imbrandon> not fair lol
[03:19] <apokryphos> I will possibly end up sticking with 1.4.1beta1 until then :P
[03:19] <imbrandon> me also
[03:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:20] <apokryphos> really bad teaser
[03:20] <Hobbsee> argh, they've switched all the stuff around in LP hehe
[03:21] <imbrandon> anyone know when X and kde are going to be built for edgy ? 
[03:22] <jsgotangco> real soon?
[03:22] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:22] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, curious has udev install thing been fixed ?
[03:22] <imbrandon> or is that waiting on the conf to end
[03:22] <jsgotangco> interesting to ask, since scott just made magic today on our side but its for ltsp
[03:23] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:47] <apokryphos> more things I noticed changed, the more I discover they were a good idea (volume on bottom left, playlist actions next to filter, etc)
[03:54] <nixternal> lol
[04:42] <imbrandon> apokryphos, haha how true, and now we got to wait till 2.0
[04:43] <imbrandon> ( /me will stick with -beta1 till 2.0 probbly )
[04:43] <apokryphos> we'll have to see though, who knows, they may re-revert their actions 8)
[04:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:43] <apokryphos> I hear the default icons decision was reverted too; :/
[05:07] <imbrandon> hrm i thought pykde was part of python-kde3 *looks puzzled*
[05:07] <apokryphos> pykde *is* python-kde
[05:08] <imbrandon> hrm isnt pykde a binarly also like pyuic ? *looks even more confused now* 
[05:08] <Riddell> that's kdepyuic
[05:08] <Riddell> pykde is another name for python-kde
[05:08] <imbrandon> gah *slaps head*
[05:08] <imbrandon> thnaks
[05:09] <Riddell> kwwii: "[Spec tango-icon-theme]   Definition Status: Braindump => Obsolete"
[05:18] <bddebian> Hello
[05:18] <Riddell> http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-June/000589.html  powersave future
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hiya bddebian
[05:19] <Hobbsee> !
[05:20] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:20] <bddebian> Find your brain? ;-)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> sorta.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> i've made enough stupid errors today to make me wonder about it again...
[05:22] <bddebian> heh
[05:25] <Riddell> seaLne: why do you think that?
[05:25] <seaLne> actually maybe not i was reading http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/k3b-0606211050/k3b_0.12.15-2ubuntu1.diff and i first thought i had applied my changes to a dirty version but i think maybe it is ok
[05:26] <seaLne> diffs containing diffs are confusing to read
[05:27] <Riddell> certainly are
[05:27] <imbrandon> Riddell, that mentions kpowersave and using hal in kde4 but i thought all that was moving to solid instead of hal ?
[05:27] <seaLne> Riddell: i'm confused about why it knows off changes to debian/changelog and debian/control ?
[05:30] <Riddell> seaLne: that's the debdiff, it contains all changes to your previous upload including changes to debian/*
[05:30] <seaLne> ah ok thats fine then except i forgot to name one of the patches .diff
[05:31] <Riddell> 029 yes
[05:31] <Riddell> have you merged the changelogs?  so the changelog contains all entries from debian and kubuntu in a sensible order?
[05:32] <Riddell> Lure: http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-June/000589.html
[05:32] <seaLne> oops forgot that
[05:32] <seaLne> will fix that just now
[05:32] <Riddell> seaLne: otherwise looking perfect as far as I can tell from the debdiff
[05:33] <seaLne> does what i've done with debian patches seem fine?
[05:33] <Lure> Riddell: just got it in my mailbox...
[05:33] <Riddell> seaLne: looks excellent yes
[05:34] <Lure> Riddell: it looks to me that UDS discussions have pushed this...
[05:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't we make a kopete-dev package?
[05:35] <apachelogger> ...would it make sense?
[05:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm
[05:35] <seaLne> should i include changes that happened between 0.12.9 and 0.12.14? if so how as i think it would look weird mixed in with kubuntu versions as that is not really what happened?
[05:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: those files have always gone in kdenetwork-dev as I remember, but we won't be able to do that now with separate packages
[05:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: so yes we'll have to do that
[05:36] <apachelogger> k, gonna do that
[05:37] <imbrandon> !seen jpatrick
[05:37] <imbrandon> grr
[05:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: it'll need to Replaces: old kdenetwork-dev 
[05:46] <seaLne> Riddell: also some of the changes don't apply such as we didn'thave lintian warnings in .14
[05:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: shall I add a Conflictes for kdenetwork-dev as well?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i'm thinking about asking Seveas for ubotu in here
[05:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: can do
[05:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[06:05] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:13] <lnxkde> is edgy that broken
[06:13] <lnxkde> I only have to download 66MB to update to it...
[06:13] <lnxkde> ?
[06:14] <bddebian> It broke one of my machines :-(
[06:14] <lnxkde> broke you mean by software right?
[06:14] <bddebian> AYe
[06:14] <lnxkde> ok..
[07:38] <lnxkde> Riddell you there?
[07:39] <lnxkde> Riddell you in charge of the website?
[07:39] <lnxkde> kubuntu.org
[07:40] <kwwii> bye all
[07:41] <nixternal> lnxkde: you find a booboo on the website?
[07:42] <lnxkde> ??
[07:43] <lnxkde> na I just want to know how  he did it
[07:43] <nixternal> ahhh...i believe it is also part of the moinmoin wiki
[08:06] <nixternal> argh
[08:06] <nixternal> i just wiped out my contacts ;(
[08:08] <lnxkde> on what>??
[08:08] <lnxkde> jabber?
[08:09] <nixternal> no
[08:09] <nixternal> kontact
[08:09] <nixternal> i was trying to figure out why when i goto address a new email...two instances for each contact appear
[08:10] <nixternal> i double clicked a little to fast and it was the 2nd click that got them ;)
[08:19] <lnxkde> :(
[08:42] <apokryphos> are 1.4.1 packages being made, or waiting till after the conference?
[08:49] <nixternal> apokryphos: if you are referring to amaroK, yes, somebody has been packaging it around here
[08:50] <imbrandon> apokryphos, i made some already ( need a little more love ) but are ready for testing
[08:51] <imbrandon> if your using the kde 3.5.3
[08:51] <imbrandon> i need to rebuild them for regular dapper without the kubuntu.org repos still though
[08:52] <imbrandon> apokryphos, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/  <-- 1.4.1-beta1
[08:53] <nixternal> anyone else get double contacts in kontact address book at all?
[08:54] <apokryphos> cool, thanks, I'll give it in -offtopic, some people there were interestested too
[08:54] <nixternal> when i goto send an email and select from the address book, i see you people twice ;)
[08:55] <imbrandon> nixternal, #kubuntu <---- is that way 
[08:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:55] <nixternal> i will kick you
[08:55] <apokryphos> new libvisual too? Interesting
[08:56] <imbrandon> apokryphos, cool, yea just for the moment they will need the kubuntu.org amarok-latest deb also
[08:56] <imbrandon> apokryphos, yea it requires libvisual0.4 now
[08:57] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: why don't you add the amarok-gstreamer  :)
[08:57] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, just dident get arround to it yet, i will toy with it tonight 
[08:57] <imbrandon> but gstreamer is the suxor you know ;)
[08:57] <imbrandon> xine <3 ;)
[08:58] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: heh
[08:58] <imbrandon> but yea freeflying-g4 i'll get it updated when i rebuild it tonight
[08:58] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: nice
[08:59] <imbrandon> apokryphos, also i forgot to put the "replaces" in the debian/control for libvisual0.4 so you might have to purge libvisual0.2 first before , but like i said those still need a little love, i'll be rebuilding them tonight sometime
[09:00] <apokryphos> alrighty, please let me know and I'll try a test :)
[09:00] <imbrandon> ok will do
[09:06] <crimsun> eh? we have libvisual0.4 now?
[09:07] <crimsun> imbrandon: ick, versioning...
[09:11] <crimsun> imbrandon: if you're going to build against dapper proper and not kubuntu.org, I recommend you use the ugliest version string possible that will still upgrade properly, like 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4.0~1.4.1beta1imbrandon1
[09:12] <imbrandon> heh ok crimsun
[09:12] <imbrandon> yea not a bad idea probbly
[09:12] <crimsun> (since any security or updates will be at least 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4.1)
[09:13] <crimsun> (and 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4.0 won't be used, but 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4.0~1.4.1beta1imbrandon1 is still greater than 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4)
[09:13] <imbrandon> right
[09:15] <crimsun> same for libvisual, 0.4.0-0ubuntu0~imbrandon1
[09:15] <crimsun> of course you're free to do as you wish...
[09:16] <imbrandon> no i totaly see what your saying
[09:16] <imbrandon> i'll do that when i rebuild tonight
[09:16] <imbrandon> as there will probbly be some other deps too ( excalubur etc )
[09:17] <imbrandon> and whom knows with gstreamer lol ( kicks freeflying )
[09:17] <crimsun> oh, GSt is back in 1.4.1?
[09:17] <crimsun> might have to reinstall amarok then
[09:17] <imbrandon> not yet, but freeflying ask me to build it with gst support
[09:17] <imbrandon> its possible just been turned off
[09:18] <imbrandon> trying to get distcc working with debuild atm so it dosent take me 2+ hours tom rebuild each time
[09:18] <imbrandon> lol
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Does any one have 1) a OSCAR protocol account and 2) Kopete 0.12
[11:20] <andred> DaSkreech: yes
[11:20] <DaSkreech> andred: can you login ?
[11:20] <andred> DaSkreech: yes
[11:20] <DaSkreech> and stay logged in?
[11:20] <andred> yes, no issues so far
[11:21] <andred> neither on icq or on aim
[11:21] <DaSkreech> What the blazes is wrong then?
[11:21] <DaSkreech> on 0.11 I couldn't login at all and trying to stop them from logging in would crash Kopete
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Now on 0.12 they login and as soon as they get the buddy list they log back out
[11:21] <DaSkreech> at least they stopped crashing Kopete
[11:22] <DaSkreech> maybe 0.13 will have them log in for a minute :)
[12:03] <MidMark> Riddell: I think have to reopen bug #39444 just reported by me
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[12:03] <MidMark> someone can confirm?
[12:03] <MidMark> see my last comment