[12:12] <bioengine> Hey, what would be a good open source project for an electrical engineer to work on?
[12:12] <Burgwork> bioengine, anything at all. What enthuses you
[12:12] <Burgwork> ?
[12:12] <bioengine> I need to get electrical engineering experience
[12:13] <bioengine> because it is required of me as a student
[12:13] <bioengine> Otherwise, I will be rejected from opportunities at school
[12:13] <Burgwork> there are some good circuit creation/simulation apps
[12:13] <bioengine> Open source?
[12:13] <winkle> oregano for example
[12:14] <bioengine> Where can I find that app at?
[12:14] <winkle> http://oregano.gforge.lug.fi.uba.ar/
[12:15] <bioengine> Are there other apps that are open source for EE's?
[12:15] <bioengine> And would they have a development community?
[12:18] <bioengine> Are there any other projects for EE's that are open source?
[12:19] <zul> you might want to check google
[12:19] <bioengine> code.google.com
[12:23] <Burgwork> bioengine, http://gnomefiles.org/category.php?cat_id=6
[12:25] <bioengine> Thanks
[12:42] <Riddell> bioengine: ktechlab
[12:42] <bioengine> What is ktechlab?
[03:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:26] <dem> anyone can tell me what's the status of of laptop-mode vs upstream in ubuntu? because i wanted to add support for controlling power usage of wireless cards
[03:57] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:58] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> jdub: wow, thanks
[03:59] <Hobbsee> you found my email quick :P
[05:17] <fabbione> morning
[05:18] <Hobbsee> morning fabbione!
[05:18] <fabbione> hi Hobbsee 
[05:20] <bddebian> Heya fabbione
[05:20] <fabbione> hi bddebian 
[05:21] <bddebian> You must be missing X too much? ;-P
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:22] <Hobbsee> fabbione: what's teh time there?  around 4.20am?
[05:32] <fabbione> bddebian: die :)
[05:32] <fabbione> Hobbsee: yeah 5:30
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ouch
[05:34] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bddebian: surely you want to take it over yourself?  :P
[05:34] <bddebian> Hobbsee: If I had a brain, I wouldn't mind trying
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nope, no rocks in there, you must have a brain.
[05:35] <bddebian> Well, it's very small :-)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i didnt hear much of an echo either :P
[05:41] <ajmitch> morning fabbione :)
[05:41] <fabbione> hi aj
[05:43] <bddebian> Hobbsee: That was just all the fluid deadening the echo :-)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:41] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[08:46] <jsgotangco> whiprush_: fix your blog heh
[08:50] <TheMuso> c
[09:09] <Keybuk> oops, NOMALS=-M doesn't work
[09:29] <sivang> el: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup/UDSParis
[09:52] <Keybuk> *sigh* no time for a nap bof today
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: find coke/
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ?
[09:53] <Keybuk> of the lines variety?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> er, coke as in the thing that contains caffeine, and is in a red can.
[09:53] <Keybuk> I suspect there may be issues with cutting up between BOFs
[09:53] <ajmitch> now that would cause some interesting specs to be written
[09:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[09:55] <jsgotangco> good morning Hobbsee
[09:56] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:56] <jdub> (hard to have breakfast when your first bof is a sleep in bof)
[09:56] <jsgotangco> jdub: would you like some raw beef with those?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> jdub: haha.  yes, and feed him a new zealander accent too :P
[09:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee should be honoured
[09:57] <jdub> there must be a kde hacker in nz i confused you with
[09:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:57] <Hobbsee> jdub: i don tknow of any.  but how did you know i was involved with kde?
[09:57] <jdub> ajmitch: instead, she's offended 
[09:58] <ajmitch> jdub: I can't understand why
[09:58] <jdub> Hobbsee: you're a kubuntu dude
[09:58] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  i wonder just how much you know about me.
[09:58] <jdub> my nickname in canonical is echelon
[09:59] <jdub> well, i know that you live on the outskirts of civilisation, but only 'cos you told me
[09:59] <Hobbsee> true, ues
[09:59] <Hobbsee> *yes
[09:59] <Hobbsee> now hey, i dont live in kenthurst or penrith - and those are more the outskirts :P
[10:00] <ajmitch> at least you don't live in sunny dunedin
[10:00] <Hobbsee> yes, at an average of -25C
[10:02] <Hobbsee> oh, and not really offended - just amused.  i really dont have anything against NZ'ers
[10:21] <fabbione> guys i am looking for a volunteer to maintain a simple package that's already done
[10:21] <ajmitch> what is it?
[10:21] <fabbione> and just need some small cleanup love
[10:21] <fabbione> ajmitch: openais
[10:22] <fabbione> i have the package done...
[10:22] <fabbione> and i can sponsor it to main
[10:22] <fabbione> but i don't want to maintain it
[10:22] <fabbione> (it's not in the archive yet)
[10:22] <raphink> what does it do?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> interesting
[10:24] <fabbione> it's a cluster messagging infrastructure/framewoek
[10:24] <fabbione> framework even
[10:24] <raphink> interesting
[10:24] <jsgotangco> clusters
[10:24] <jsgotangco> http://developer.osdl.org/dev/openais/
[10:25] <fabbione> yeps
[10:25] <fabbione> that one
[10:25] <fabbione> anybody interested?
[10:25] <ajmitch> vaguely so :)
[10:25] <fabbione> of course who takes the maintainance will also test it
[10:26] <fabbione> it will be part of my automatic redhat cluster suite testing
[10:26] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: cluster your laptops
[10:26] <fabbione> since the new GFS2 relies on openais
[10:26] <ajmitch> I'm interested, but not sure if I'd use it much
[10:26] <fabbione> jsgotangco: i do that to test ppc :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: sure.. :)
[10:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:34] <ajmitch> morning mdz 
[10:36] <raphink> hi mdz
[10:36] <raphink> hi slomo
[10:36] <sivang> glatzor_mobile: ping
[10:36] <slomo> hi raphink 
[10:36] <raphink> :)
[10:36] <raphink> work activity: say hi to everybody on IRC
[10:36] <glatzor_mobile> pong sivang
[10:37] <raphink> I'l put that in my work report tonight
[10:39] <marilize> cvd: ping
[10:40] <fabbione> marilize: wrong chan :)
[10:43] <marilize> fabbione: heh, thanks, (morning)
[10:43] <fabbione> :)
[10:44] <mdz> morning
[10:44] <fabbione> hey mdz
[10:45] <fabbione> so nobody wants to offer volunteer???
[10:45] <jdub> fabbione: for..?
[10:46] <fabbione> jdub: you win!
[10:46] <fabbione> jdub: i was just looking for an openais maintainer
[10:46] <fabbione> jdub: and you won!
[10:46] <jsgotangco_> lol
[10:46] <fabbione> impressive, isn't it?
[10:46] <ajmitch> or just get a group of people who might care enough - as long as at lesat of them does work it's fine :)
[10:46] <jdub> I AM TEH WINNAR!
[10:47] <Mithrandir> PONY?  I WANT A PONY TOO!
[10:47] <ajmitch> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[10:48] <Mithrandir> I'll have a balcony soon.  Then I can get a pony if I want to.  *sniff*
[10:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:49] <dholbach> http://developer.osdl.org/dev/openais/ is more likely to be the prize pony
[10:49] <Hobbsee> no Mithrandir, you cant have a pony.
[10:50] <fabbione> ajmitch: it's not worth a group of people.. it's not even 400KB of source
[10:50] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I might  not have one, but I can get one if I want to. :-P
[10:50] <jdub> "The project implements cutting edge research on virtual synchrony to provide 100% correct operation in the face of failures or partitionable networks with excellent performance characteristics."
[10:50] <jdub> pfft
[10:50] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no you cant. you're not allowed.
[10:51] <jdub> I WANT MY VIRTUAL SYNCHRONY!
[10:51] <jdub> Mithrandir: (PONY) <- not yours.
[10:51] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'm sorry, but the person who'd be able to deny me that would be simira, not you.
[10:51] <Mithrandir> ;-)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe, i spoke to simira last night :P
[10:51] <Mithrandir> about ponies?
[10:51] <jdub> and she said
[10:51] <jdub> NO PONY!
[10:51] <jdub> COME BACK ONE YEAR
[10:52] <Hobbsee> no, i said you were locked in the basement, and that she couldnt speak to you, as there was no wifi down there.
[10:52] <Mithrandir> we have a basement here?
[10:53] <jsgotangco_> the restaurant has a basement restroom
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: of course
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: how on earth would i know?  i've not even been in the continent, let alone inside the building!
[10:54] <jdub> not even incontinent?
[10:55] <fabbione> meh
[10:55] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: it's a quite nice continent.
[10:55] <\sh> jdub: tststs...;)
[10:55] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you should come visit one time.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'm sure it is, but i no longer have a passport.
[10:55] <\sh> Hobbsee: but don't come near jdub...he bites
[10:55] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'm sure you're able to get a new one.
[10:55] <\sh> ;)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> \sh: something tells me i dont have much choice there.
[10:56] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: it's a bit like saying you don't have a boarding pass and therefore can't go.
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: true, but it makes sense to wait till i'm over 18..
[10:56] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: well, true.
[10:56] <Mithrandir> but that's not very far away, is it?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> no
[10:57] <Hobbsee> one month and one day - what should i do?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:57] <Mithrandir> \sh: I have one.  In my camera.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: was he asleep at the time?
[10:57] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: no, he was talking to somebody and didn't see me
[10:58] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[11:00] <Mithrandir> jdub: I'm in the same building as you.  Applying the golp is not a good idea.
[11:01] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You sound older than you are. :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: thanks.
[11:02] <TheMuso> np :)
[11:02] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: if he says that in ten years, you can twap him. :-)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe
[11:02] <TheMuso> lol
[11:03] <TheMuso> I thought Hobbsee was in her early twenties at least.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you thought i was human, too
[11:03] <TheMuso> i see no reason why I should think otherwise.
[11:03] <ajmitch> and then there are those who think she's from NZ..
[11:03] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: no, we're just amazed at the author writing such a good IRC bot.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:04] <TheMuso> \/me will wait to see that for himself at the first SLUG meeting that Hobbsee attends. :)
[11:04] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:04] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I hear you claim that, but I haven't seen anything to prove that.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: thought i showed you a picture :P
[11:06] <Mithrandir> that didn't have any context.  Like, your IRC session with this channel open.
[11:06] <ajmitch> she just has to come along to the next conf
[11:06] <Hobbsee> oh, as in, you wanted a pic of me next to my computer?
[11:07] <sivang> Everybody, there's a BoF going on now about an automatic free space making proggy, anybody interested is welcome to join.
[11:07] <spungles> thom: ping?
[11:07] <ajmitch> sivang: you're straying horribly off-topic here :)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:07] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: nah, I've decided you're just a brilliantly written IRC bot and am happy with my knowledge. :-P
[11:07] <Hobbsee> yes, while the high and mighty devs are away, the not so high and mighty devs will play :P
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha okay
[11:08] <sivang> ajmitch: hmm, is there a proper channel to announce something like to people ? :-)
[11:08] <Hobbsee> sivang: yeah.  not this one.
[11:08] <thom> spungles: ack
[11:13] <spungles> thom: learnt dutch yet?
[11:16] <simira> Hobbsee: are you a dev?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: answer simira's question :P
[11:17] <simira> Hobbsee: are you a dictator?
[11:17] <ajmitch> simira: yes
[11:17] <Hobbsee> simira: well, my name is sarah, and i'm told that means i'm supposed to boss everyone around.
[11:18] <simira> Hobbsee: I must admit I thought you were a boy *blush*
[11:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:18] <simira> there are not many girls in here... me Claire, Jane and Silbs, I think
[11:18] <Hobbsee> simira: yes, that's a fairly logical assumption to make
[11:18] <Hobbsee> yeah wow :P
[11:19] <simira> Hobbsee: and just as you know, I am deadly jealus of you all for being in CDG. There'l probably be a not-so-mysterious massacre next time I join in
[11:19] <Riddell> ogra: ok for kubuntu hwdb at 15:00?
[11:20] <simira> just *so* you know
[11:20] <Hobbsee> simira: CDG?
[11:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee isn't here (sadly)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: BOO!
[11:20] <simira> Charles De Gaulle, Hobbsee 
[11:20] <Hobbsee> simira: i'm here in australia...
[11:20] <apokryphos> wrong train?
[11:20] <ogra> Riddell, i only have a free slot between 16:00 and 17:00
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's here?  going to be running via TS?
[11:21] <simira> Hobbsee: you, you're just irc-invading the conf? You seem like you're there, you know... :p
[11:21] <Hobbsee> simira: hehe, yes, i'm here on irc - i have no passport, and no plane ticket.
[11:21] <simira> Hobbsee: *all* of them are in Paris now for the distro summit. Except for me *cries*
[11:21] <ajmitch> simira: not all, sadly
[11:21] <Hobbsee> not all of them are...
[11:22] <fabbione> simira: no no.. i am home too
[11:22] <simira> ajmitch: no, I am the one not being there... ;)
[11:22] <simira> fabbione: are you why? Is Ulla down soon?
[11:22] <ogra> pitti, ?
[11:23] <fabbione> simira: yeah.. too close to Ulla's delivery :)
[11:23] <pitti> ogra: EBUSY
[11:23] <ogra> pitti, we need to talk if you have 2-5min later
[11:23] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: can we do a status meeting for networkauth today?
[11:23] <simira> fabbione: tell her hi from me and good luck!
[11:23] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: when?
[11:24] <fabbione> simira: will do :)
[11:24] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-21/tfheen is my schedule, so now'd work
[11:25] <ajmitch> lucky you, busy for the rest of the day
[11:25] <ajmitch> I guess now will be ok - I'll get dinner later :)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> haha - around midnight ajmitch?
[11:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hm?
[11:26] <simira> hm. Remember we have a date, Mithrandir 
[11:26] <ajmitch> I would never leave it that late..
[11:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the time for dinner
[11:26] <Mithrandir> simira: always, my love.
[11:28] <Hobbsee> simira: when you do get to be here, and i'm there at the same time, tell me, and we'll take over the world, okay?
[11:30] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: http://www.linuxrising.org/screenshots/bella.png
[11:31] <Mithrandir> (warning: pink overload)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oooohh...OUCH!
[11:31] <Hobbsee> that is beyond scary!
[11:31] <apokryphos> ouch; the xmms in there was the finisher
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: urgh....man tha'ts terrible!
[11:33] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'm sure the ubuntu-women would be delighted to have such a theme. :-/
[11:33] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i want that theme!
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you should send that to ubuntu art mailing list, and say "sabdfl says that all artwork should become like this" just as a joke :P
[11:34] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: it's not April 1st. :-P
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: a delayed one :P
[11:34] <fabbione> http://www.linuxrising.org/screenshots/jeffsmilling.png
[11:34] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I'd obviously fake it decently.
[11:34] <fabbione> OMG :)
[11:34] <fabbione> jdub: ^^
[11:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:35] <simira> :)
[11:36] <jdub> pfft
[12:08] <\sh>  /dev/sdb1             6.3T   54G  6.3T   1% /data - go ubuntu mirror go
[12:13] <mdeboer> hi. with hoary, i run into many difficulties trying to use a more recent (dapper) kernel. will this be the same with dapper? i believe the kernel has settled down quite a bit since hoary, so maybe running the 2.6.17 edgy kernel on dapper is feasible?
[12:13] <jdub> more feasible
[12:14] <jdub> there were userland changes in dapper to use the kernel effectively, so it's much less likely to work on older distros
[12:14] <mdeboer> yes, i am aware of this. so, there are no such dapper userland/edgy userland incompatibilities?
[12:15] <fabbione> mdeboer: not yet.. too early to say
[12:15] <jdub> no one has added any so far ;)
[12:15] <mdeboer> ok :-)
[12:16] <mdeboer> ok. i'll give it a try soon
[12:16] <ajmitch> maybe some fun with udev
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:08 <@Vhata> weiers: do you run gnome or KDE?
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:08 < weiers> I run gnome Vhata
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:10 <@Vhata> do you run any other KDE apps apart from amarok?
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:10 <@highvoltage> Spinach: hola!
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:10 <@Vhata> what happened after you did those 'killall -9' commands?
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:10 < Spinach> howdy, highvoltage!
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:10 < weiers> Ok, it would seem that between killall -3 and killall -9 something worked, because I was able to
[12:17] <mdeboer> my main interest is to apply the latest rt-preempt patch http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/
[12:17] <highvoltage>                 launch the programme and got it to work.
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:11 < weiers> Vhata, I don't think that I am consciously running any other kde apps.
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:12 <@Vhata> did you run it from a terminal this time?
[12:17] <seb128> flooood
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:12 < weiers> yes
[12:17] <highvoltage> 12:13 <@Vhata> go to the "settings" menu, and then to "Configure global shortcuts", and find the "Toggle Playlist
[12:17] <highvoltage>                Window" option, and set a shortcut there (I use windows+P), so that you can bring the window up
[12:17] <jsgotangco> err???
[12:17] <highvoltage>                whenever you want
[12:17] <highvoltage> ugh, sorry about that
[12:17] <neuralis> highvoltage: dude, STOP FLOODING
[12:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: bless you
[12:17] <jsgotangco> he's all red now haha
[12:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:18] <jdub> GLOWING JONATHAN CARTER
[12:18] <jdub> REPORT TO THE SICK BAY IMMEDIATELY
[12:18] <rodarvus> haha
[12:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:18] <jdub> dude
[12:18] <jdub> holy shit
[12:18] <jdub> turn that thing off
[12:19] <LaserJock> lol, highvoltage is soooo red
 err, hi
[12:19] <highvoltage> sorry!! wrote with my notepad on notwbook. and copied and pasted accidentally (extremely embarrased here)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: your client doesnt have a "stop accidental paste" feature?
[12:20] <highvoltage> Hobbsee: it's supposed to, normally it asks press ctrl+c to cancel or ctrl+k to let it through, i don't know what went wrong here, i'm just going to back away from my laptop for a while :)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: ah okay.  hehe, yes before it bites
[12:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: maybe your laptop has caught a bug from the French power ;-)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:22] <simira> hm
[12:22] <simira> where's mvo?
[12:22] <thom> LaserJock: nah, then it wouldn't do /anything/
[12:22] <LaserJock> thom: good point
[01:01] <ogra> mdke, around ? 
[01:28] <zul> hey
[01:28] <ajmitch> hi zul :)
[01:28] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[01:29] <Hobbsee> hi zul and ajmitch 
[01:29] <zul> hey Hobbsee 
[01:32] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[01:33] <Hobbsee> where are the logs for why my system froze held?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> i thought it was /var/log/messages, but there's nothign too obvious there
[01:34] <zul> kern.log maybe.
[01:35] <thom> kern.log, old dmesg, syslog are all possibilities
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ok
[02:25] <Mithrandir> can somebody get mdz onto irc, please?
[02:26] <seb128> Mithrandir: he has no computer in front of him atm
[02:27] <seb128> Mithrandir: should I forward him a message?
[02:27] <Mithrandir> seb128: I was wondering why my optimized live cd for faster boot was put back to drafting rather than approved and if I can just change the time estimate a bit and set it directly to approved.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> jdub: heya.  you dont have to use TS - if you were wanting to run the discussion offline, that's cool, i was just going to listen
[02:34] <jdub> Hobbsee: only have two of us with mics
[02:34] <jdub> Hobbsee: i've asked mvo to use his now
[02:34] <jdub> (just there was no one in the channel earlier, so we didn't bother)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> jdub: yeah, that's cool.  i just saw it, and saw it looked interesting, and was going to listen in, if it didnt cause trouble
[02:38] <Keybuk> can anybody see jbailey from where they are?
[02:38] <netgrabber> I think i solved bug #38335 maybe someone can review my "work"?
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38335 in ipodder "UVF exception - iPodder no longer supported" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38335
[02:40] <Hobbsee> jdub: wow, it's working nicely :)
[02:40] <seb128> Mithrandir: network issue, I was saying that mdz has no computer in front of him atm ... any message to forward?
[02:41] <Mithrandir> seb128: 14:27 < Mithrandir> seb128: I was wondering why my optimized live cd for faster boot was put back to drafting rather than approved and if I can just change the time estimate a bit and set it directly to approved.
[02:42] <seb128> Mithrandir: ok, no hurry for that probably, can wait after the BOF right?
[02:42] <Mithrandir> seb128: sure.
[02:42] <seb128> ok
[02:45] <netgrabber> I have DEBIAN/md5sums in my .diff is this ok?
[02:45] <netgrabber> I don't think so
[02:45] <Mithrandir> netgrabber: no, it's not ok
[02:46] <netgrabber> how can I fix this?
[02:46] <Mithrandir> you've probably forgotten to run dh_clean
[02:46] <tseng> er?
[02:46] <netgrabber> I used debuild
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jdub: how much longer will the smart BOF go for?
[02:57] <ozamosi> I need to get in touch with smurf asap, but he's been away for 48 hours, and he's not answering mail. Can anyone tell me how to reach him?
[03:00] <jdub> Hobbsee: kinda finishing time
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jdub: yeah, just heard - mornfall forgot about it
[03:01] <mjg59> jdub: Pong?
[03:01] <mjg59> If it was about the pants, aes has been working all week so far
[03:01] <mjg59> Should be able to get them this evening or tomorrow
[03:07] <netgrabber> Can I upload packages created by myself on launchpad?
[03:08] <dholbach> netgrabber: you might want to have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[03:08] <dholbach> netgrabber: if you're not in the ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-core-dev team, your uploads to the buildd will be rejected
[03:09] <netgrabber> dholbach: my situation is a bit complicated
[03:09] <netgrabber> ipodder is no longer supported by upstream. it is now called castpodder, I did the migration
[03:10] <netgrabber> it is bug #38335
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38335 in ipodder "UVF exception - iPodder no longer supported" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38335
[03:10] <dholbach> netgrabber: I doubt we're going to introduce a package which conflicts the old one in a stable release
[03:10] <dholbach> netgrabber: in edgy i'm sure this will be remedied
[03:11] <netgrabber> I allready did the work...
[03:11] <netgrabber> maybe my patch is usefull?
[03:11] <dholbach> assign it to 'motureviewers' for edgy
[03:11] <dholbach> and we'll get it done
[03:12] <dholbach> and thanks for your work
[03:12] <seb128> Mithrandir: he said he don't remember what he wrote to the witheboard but you can't set it to approve no
[03:12] <netgrabber> assign?
[03:12] <seb128> Mithrandir: and he runned away quickly after than, maybe best to do your change and set it for review again
[03:13] <Mithrandir> seb128: well, the change's not in the spec.. it'd be in the "how much time is allocated for this".
[03:24] <kane__> Mithrandir: hi ... i wonder, do you remember the bug #48164 ?
[03:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48164 in xorg "Video corruption at installation of xserver-xorg" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48164
[03:25] <Mithrandir> kane__: yes, why?
[03:26] <kane__> Mithrandir: well, a couple of days ago, I appended splash to the kernel line in GRUB, and the usplash came up without any video corruption
[03:27] <kane__> Mithrandir: any ideas what may be the problem ?
[03:28] <Mithrandir> kane__: X probably corrupts the display if there's a framebuffer there already.
[03:29] <Mithrandir> kane__: that usplah works doesn't really matter.
[03:30] <kane__> Mithrandir: hmm ok
[03:30] <netgrabber> dholbach: Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:30] <dholbach> netgrabber: cool
[03:31] <ajmitch> netgrabber: please upload source-only packages :)
[03:31] <netgrabber> sorry
[03:31] <ajmitch> use debuild -S -sa
[03:31] <netgrabber> should I redo it?
[03:31] <ajmitch> yes please
[03:32] <netgrabber> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[03:32] <netgrabber> Doing nothing for castpodder_5.0_i386.changes
[03:33] <LaserJock> use the _source.changes file with dput netgrabber 
[03:33] <ajmitch> not that one
[03:33] <netgrabber> ah ok
[03:34] <netgrabber> done
[03:35] <netgrabber> where are those files now?
[03:46] <netgrabber> dholbach: can I point on launchpad to this files?
[03:47] <mdke> dholbach: heya :) there is an ubuntu-docs package for dapper-updates waiting in our dapper branch, if you happen to have any time in the next few days
[03:53] <mdz> jdub: ping?
[03:55] <Riddell> anyone seen ogra?
[03:55] <sladen> Riddell: sitting outside the downstairs toilets
[03:56] <Riddell> sladen: could you ask him if he can join us for hwdb talk?
[03:56] <sladen> Riddell: mmm, good excuse to go past the cake stand.  Where should I send him?
[03:56] <Riddell> sladen: upstairs to olympe
[04:01] <Riddell> sladen: progress?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's still busy at the cake stand, probably :P
[04:07] <dholbach> Riddell: ogra is in another session still
[04:07] <dholbach> Riddell: and sladen is still sitting there
[04:22] <jdong|coreduo> why has xfsprogs been taken out of standard-*?
[04:22] <jdong|coreduo> is Ubuntu dropping support for XFS??
[04:22] <jdong|coreduo> and same for reiserfs
[04:24] <_ion> pool/main/x/xfsprogs/xfsprogs_2.7.7-1_i386.deb
[04:24] <_ion> Oh, i misread your question.
[04:25] <jdong|coreduo> Edgy's ubuntu-meta upload today
[04:37] <pitti> ivoks: hi!
[04:37] <pitti> ivoks: thanks for trying the redhat cups stuff! looks quite nice indeed
[04:38] <pitti> ivoks: today I also sat together with the Mandriva printing guy, he showed me printerdrake
[04:38] <ivoks> and?
[04:39] <seb128> is that package somewhere online?
[04:39] <ivoks> redha tool is too much redhat
[04:39] <ivoks> :)
[04:39] <ivoks> it depends on druid for printer detection, so that part should be rewritten if we want that solution
[04:40] <seb128> what is wrong with a druid?
[04:40] <ivoks> so, I had an idea of writting our own code...
[04:40] <ivoks> seb128: nothing
[04:40] <seb128> we "just" have to writte code, good :
[04:40] <seb128> :p
[04:41] <pitti> ivoks: mandriva uses some perl-gtk stuff with a mandriva GUI library on top of foomatic
[04:41] <pitti> ivoks: it's quite good, too, but it'll also require hacking, and moreover, severe UI cleanup
[04:41] <ivoks> pitti: just like RH tool
[04:41] <ivoks> so, dead end? :)
[04:42] <pitti> ivoks: is the rh one really so evil?
[04:42] <ivoks> pitti: well, no..
[04:42] <ivoks> pitti: it's python
[04:42] <ajmitch> at least the rh one will be python, right? :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> like most of their tools now
[04:42] <pitti> heh
[04:42] <ivoks> so, it should be easy to reimplement it :)
[04:45] <ivoks> rh tool depends on few libs we don't have in ubuntu
[04:46] <ajmitch> import those libs if needed
[04:46] <ivoks> that's the easiest part
[04:46] <ajmitch> shouldn't be a big challenge to package them - there's a few RH tools I'd like to see in ubuntu
[04:46] <jdong|coreduo> don't most of the rh tools depend on the huge-ass "redhat python library of goodies"?
[04:47] <ivoks> jdong|coreduo: it does
[04:47] <ivoks> like this rhpl
[04:47] <jdong|coreduo> I was bored one day
[04:47] <ivoks> i think that's lib for localisation
[04:47] <jdong|coreduo> yeah, rhpl was one of them
[04:47] <jdong|coreduo> do we just want to import those as-is?
[04:48] <jdong|coreduo> I got a feeling Ubuntu has different mechanisms for the functionality...
[04:49] <ivoks> bottom line, i'm not programer and I can't repackage it for ubuntu by my self
[04:49] <ivoks> or, at least, not for edgy :)
[04:50] <jdong|coreduo> :)
[04:50] <ajmitch> ivoks: so get one of us to do it - I'd like 1 or 2 of those tools for selinux config
[04:51] <pitti> ivoks: how could you do screenshots on dapper if you don't have the libs?
[04:51] <ivoks> pitti: i compiled them :)
[04:52] <ivoks> :)
[04:52] <pitti> :)
[04:52] <ivoks> printconf starts nicely
[04:52] <ivoks> and it detects all config there were before
[04:52] <ivoks> but it doesn't recognise printers
[04:53] <ivoks> (it doesn't autodetect them)
[04:53] <ivoks> since all the tools it uses for detection aren't in ubuntu
[04:53] <ivoks> it would be better to rewrite that part
[04:54] <Yagisan> pitti: you using a kernel patch for ssp ? IIRC the kernel didn't build with ssp (but I haven't checked in a while)
[04:54] <pitti> Yagisan: I'm just running a test build
[04:54] <pitti> Yagisan: it's running for ~ 30 minutes, works fine so far
[04:54] <pitti> Yagisan: (the build is running, not the kernel)
[04:56] <TheMuso> Keybuk: When you have a minute, could you please have a glance over SpokenBoot, and let me know if I have writtup what discussed earlier correctly? Thanks in advance.
[05:02] <jdub> mjg59: reping
[05:02] <jdub> mdke: ping
[05:09] <mjg59> jdub: Hi
[05:10] <jdub> mjg59: hey - did you get my pants mail?
[05:10] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah
[05:10] <mjg59> jdub: I'm on it
[05:11] <_ion> "did you get my pants by mail?"
[05:11] <jdub> mjg59: rad
[05:14] <Mithrandir> jdub: does there exist a usable tool for making UI mockups?
[05:16] <sladen> Mithrandir: glade 
[05:17] <Mithrandir> sladen: it's not very good when I want to put in example data and such, IME.
[05:18] <bddebian> Hello
[05:18] <jdub> Mithrandir: not wildly
[05:18] <jdub> Mithrandir: but yeah, glade is an okay start
[05:18] <jdub> Mithrandir: plus gimp for putting shit inside
[05:19] <msw> jdub: Stetic was nice
[05:19] <Mithrandir> jdub: glade makes me want to poke my eyes out, but I'll see what I can do.
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:19] <jdub> Mithrandir: try gazpacho
[05:19] <msw> http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/
[05:19] <Mithrandir> iz packaged.
[05:19] <msw> and written in python
[05:20] <jdub> msw: debian/ubuntu users don't use sourceforge, freshmeat, or websites :)
[05:20] <Mithrandir> software not in Debian/Ubuntu doesn't exist.
[05:20] <msw> #ubuntu-devel
[05:22] <Mithrandir> jdub: it looks better, at least.  Thanks.
[05:23] <jdub> how do you purge with smart?
[05:30] <pitti> Yagisan: oh, shit, kernel linking indeed fails since it doesn't find the __stack_chk_fail symbol
[05:34] <mdke> jdub: hi. email would be best at the moment, am a bit swamped at work
[05:34] <mdke> jdub: go ahead here though if it is something simple
[05:34] <apokryphos> jdub: no option currently; it'll be added for 0.42 I hear though
[05:35] <jdub> mdke: hrm?
[05:35] <mdke> jdub: you pinged
[05:35] <mdke> no?
[05:35] <jdub> no
[05:36] <jdub> unless i did ages ago
[05:36] <mdke> 34 minutes ago
[05:36] <tseng> you absolutely did.
[05:36] <tseng> at 11:02
[05:37] <thom> jdub: senility STRIKES!
[05:37] <jdub> i have *no* idea what for
[05:37] <jdub> 34 minutes ago?!
[05:38] <seb128> we should force people to ping with some context
[05:38] <jdub> i so did not
[05:38] <BenC> (spam) http://mkdump.sourceforge.net/
[05:38] <mdke> no worries
[05:38] <seb128> you so did
[05:38] <Gman> thom, next will be blader control :)
[05:39] <jsgotangco> jdub: its those tam tams
[05:39] <jsgotangco> tsk tsk
[05:39] <jdub> ROAR!
[05:40] <sivang> jsgotangco: didn't you mean tim tams?
[05:40] <seb128> we should not let jdub have meat at lunch, he's ROARING now
[05:40] <sivang> lol
[05:41] <jsgotangco> sivang: yeah thanks
[05:42] <sivang> hmmm I would just love having a tim tam now. mmm
[05:42] <Gman> get a penguin bar instead...they're the real tim tams..
[05:42] <thom> Gman: *giggle* x 2
[05:51] <thom> jdub: watch out for the arthritus!
[05:51] <tseng> thom: :(
[05:52] <tseng> my hand is starting to hurt lately
[05:52] <desrt> too much... uh.... coding.
[05:53] <thom> tseng: i recommend ion3 and as little mousing as possible. did wonders for my rsi
[05:53] <bddebian> I don't suppose anyone would want to help me with a broken Edgy?
[05:54] <desrt>  "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy)"
[05:54] <desrt> :)
[05:54] <HiddenWolf> desrt: ;)
[05:54] <simira> bddebian: seriously?
[05:55] <Mithrandir> I recommend laptops in your lap against rsi.
[05:55] <Mithrandir> and feet on the table.
[05:55] <desrt> rsi is teh suck
[05:55] <ogra> Mithrandir, pingedipingf
[05:55] <ogra> -f
[05:56] <Mithrandir> ogra: I have no idea what a diping is, but here's a dupong.
[05:56] <bddebian> simira: Yeah, I updated one of my Dapper dev boxes to Edgy to start on some packaging and it's hosed
[05:56] <ogra> Mithrandir, is ldap server management etc planned for the network auth SoC ?
[05:56] <bddebian> desrt: I am well aware that this is not a support channel
[05:56] <thom> bddebian: may i commend the concept of chroots to you?
[05:56] <Mithrandir> ogra: read the spec?
[05:57] <simira> bddebian: somepeople's early... good luck on you!
[05:57] <bddebian> thom: On some of my machines I will do that
[06:00] <seb128> bddebian: don't update to edgy :p
[06:00] <ogra> Mithrandir, what about this ton of additional remarks, its not really clear *what* exactly is planned from them ... or are they just random user comments ?
[06:00] <thom> bddebian: seriously, don't run dev trees this early, they will *NOT* work in any useful form consistently
[06:00] <ogra> (at the bottom of the wikipage)
[06:01] <zul> bddebian: rember only you can prevent yourself from upgrading
[06:01] <Mithrandir> ogra: they're random user comments.
[06:01] <ogra> Mithrandir, thanks :)
[06:01] <ajmitch> ogra: complain to me about it
[06:01] <ajmitch> for some reason I'm still awake
[06:01] <Hobbsee> go sleep then ajmitch :P
[06:02] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: work harder! :-P
[06:02] <ajmitch> yes sir! right away sir!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: good slave.
[06:04] <ogra> ajmitch, do you plan to do anything on the server side for edgy already (the spec says just that it might take long or even not :) )
[06:04] <ogra> (and as i understood it initially the server wasnt planned yet)
[06:04] <ajmitch> ogra: yes
[06:05] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:05] <ogra> yes ou plan to do anything on the server ? or yes the server wasnt planned yet ?
[06:05] <ogra> s/ou/you/
[06:05] <ajmitch> ogra: yes I plan to, does the spec need clarified there?
[06:05] <ogra> well, it could 
[06:06] <ajmitch> ok
[06:06] <ogra> we'll make the fat client spec depending on it then, thanks for clearifying it :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> yes, I plan to run an LDAP & Kerberos server, have some user/group management & migration tools
[06:07] <ogra> ok, great :)
[06:07] <ajmitch> sounds interesting :)
[06:07] <ogra> fat clients wont work without network auth and nobody of us wants to duplicate your work ...
[06:08] <ajmitch> it would be a bit painful to have duplication
[06:08] <ogra> it not a high prio anyway
[06:08] <ajmitch> no, but I've got to push what I've done/am doing onto the supermirror soon
[06:08] <ajmitch> so we can all play along together
[06:09] <ajmitch> having some filesystem mounting would be useful though
[06:09] <ajmitch> & could be done without too much extra hassle
[06:13] <bddebian> Heya Keybuk
[06:14] <Yagisan> pitti: IIRC there is a patch for ssp, but only on amd64. It was a 2 part patch. 1 for kernel, & 1 for gcc. It should be on lkml, but you'd need to hunt for it.
[06:18] <lifeless> Keybuk: would like 5 minutes of your time..
[06:23] <thom> lifeless: do you and keybuk have something going on? you two keep sneaking off together ;-)
[06:23] <Keybuk> lifeless: POSEIDON
[06:24] <lifeless> Keybuk: no need to shout :)
[06:24] <lifeless> thom: what do you think?
[06:24] <Keybuk> thom: yes, now he's lost all that weight he's a hottie
[06:24] <lifeless> be up in a minute
[06:25] <thom> SEE
[06:25] <bddebian> uhm
[06:28] <raphink> what might prevent dh_installinit from creating the rc links ?
[06:28] <raphink> i've got a package here that somehow doesn't create the links after installing the init.d script
[06:29] <Keybuk> depression, ennui, malaise, etc.
[06:29] <Keybuk> raphink: do any links already exist?
[06:29] <raphink> nope
[06:29] <raphink> not for this daemon at least
[06:29] <Keybuk> grep update-rc.d .../postinst
[06:29] <shawarma> raphink: dh_installinit writes the code to do it into postinst..
[06:30] <shawarma> raphink: er... yeah, what Keybuk said. :-)
[06:30] <raphink> shawarma: ok
[06:30] <raphink> yeah postinst doesn't have it
[06:31] <shawarma> raphink: Which package is this?
[06:31] <raphink> shawarma: a private one ;)
[06:31] <raphink> in that case
[06:31] <Keybuk> man dh_installinit
[06:31] <raphink> that's what I did Keybuk
[06:31] <raphink> it's not very clear though ;)
[06:32] <shawarma> raphink: Ok. 
[06:32] <shawarma> raphink: Are you sure it's called at all?
[06:32] <Keybuk> man update-rc.d
[06:32] <Keybuk> (which is what dh_installinit causes to be called in postinst)
[06:32] <Keybuk> raphink: does your postinst have 
[06:32] <Keybuk> #DEBHELPER#
[06:32] <Keybuk> ?
[06:32] <raphink> nope
[06:32] <Keybuk> I see
[06:32] <Keybuk> probably best to start off with some Debian package HOWTOs then
[06:32] <raphink> it should have it so it get replaced I guess
[06:32] <raphink> hehe
[06:32] <shawarma> raphink: Oh, you have a custom postinst in your package?
[06:32] <raphink> *blush*
[06:32] <raphink> it's no my package Keybuk I'm fixing it
[06:32] <raphink> ;)
[06:33] <raphink> thanks I know what to do now :)
[06:33] <shawarma> np. :-) 
[06:37] <Keybuk> lifeless: keeping me waiting, eh?
[06:37] <thom> Keybuk: he's keeping you keen!
[06:38] <lifeless> yup
[06:38] <lifeless> sorry, ELOCAL
[06:39] <Keybuk> I'm not familar with that one?
[06:39] <lifeless> local interruptions
[06:39] <Keybuk> EINTR
[06:39] <Keybuk> surely?
[06:40] <lifeless> maybe, but they are outside my skin, so I dont thinkso
[06:40] <Keybuk> E2BIG?
[06:40] <lifeless> could be EPIP
[06:40] <Keybuk> ("Argument list too long")
[06:40] <lifeless> *EPIPE
[06:40] <zul> EWIFE also
[06:40] <Keybuk> EIEIO
[06:42] <Mithrandir> EPIP, the cousin of EBIRD.
[06:43] <thom> i think EUSERS might be more suitable ;-)
[07:01] <Keybuk> well, lifeless kept his word
[07:01] <Keybuk> he came
[07:02] <Mithrandir> was it good?
[07:02] <Mithrandir> (SCNR)
[07:03] <pitti> infinity: do you have some minutes?
[07:05] <infinity> pitti: Sure, what's up?
[07:05] <infinity> pitti: You want me in person, or is IRC fine?
[07:18] <pitti> infinity: let's talk about it at dinner, or tomorrow; I'd prefer a personal talk 
[07:18] <pitti> infinity: (just to scare you: THE RETURN OF GCC WRAPPERS) MUHAHAHA
[07:19] <ivoks> bon apetit guys :)
[07:19] <pitti> ivoks: merci
[07:21] <pitti> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GccSsp
[08:48] <bddebian> Is requesting syncs of Experimental packages frowned upon?
[08:48] <fabbione> bddebian: i suggest to wait 2/3 weeks before asking for syncs
[08:49] <fabbione> there is all the merge phase
[08:49] <fabbione> and most of the stuff might come in naturally in main
[08:49] <bddebian> fabbione: This would be new ... Oh
[08:49] <fabbione> well new or not new, it makes no difference really
[08:49] <fabbione> all of sid is processed
[08:49] <bddebian> Hmm, well gnash would be in Universe I think
[08:49] <fabbione> but it's a good idea to get the toolchain the time to stabilize
[08:49] <wasabi> Hmm. Suse's boot screen is Really Big Res
[08:56] <bddebian> fabbione: OK, so what could I be 'helping' with currently? :-)
[08:57] <fabbione> bddebian: hmmmmm 
[08:57] <fabbione> what about relaxing, accumulate some power so as soon as Merge-o-Matic will open, you can help with that?
[08:58] <bddebian> OK, I'll go back to bugs then :-)
[08:58] <fabbione> there isn't much we can really do
[08:58] <fabbione> at elast if you don't want to start to do manual MoM
[09:00] <bddebian> Well in my experience most of MoM is manual anyway :-)
[09:00] <fabbione> bddebian: in your experience MoM does a lot of work for you.
[09:00] <bddebian> Oh crap, I do still have some patches I wanted to send to Debian..
[09:00] <fabbione> work that you would be forced to do manually now
[09:00] <fabbione> anyway.. movie time
[09:00] <bddebian> Enjoy
[09:01] <fabbione> thanks
[09:01] <t0rtoise_> +
[09:29] <wasabi> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/   <--- missing some things
[09:35] <tefera> How do we get a wiki page for our translation team?
[09:35] <Keybuk> create it
[09:35] <Keybuk> (go to it, and click "Create this page")
[09:36] <tefera> ok!!!
[09:41] <tefera> hmm!! I see that all teams and people have a "wiki" under "details" which makes is possible to create a wiki page but https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-am does not have one. It seems i hav to ask the same question again.
[09:44] <Keybuk> edit details
[10:21] <mikearthur> are you guys aware of the bug with PPC CDs?
[10:22] <infinity> "the bug"?
[10:22] <infinity> That's really pretty unspecific.
[10:22] <mikearthur> sorry
[10:22] <mikearthur> finding link
[10:22] <mikearthur> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=121214
[10:22] <mikearthur> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185580
[10:22] <mikearthur> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187056
[10:23] <mikearthur> and I'm having the same problem
[10:23] <mikearthur> the release media doesn't work at all on a good deal of PPC hardware
[10:23] <mikearthur> bug was filed prior to Dapper release, and at least one dev knows of the problem, but the ISOs are still sitting there with no warning
[10:24] <Keybuk> which bug number?
[10:24] <mikearthur> and, by the sounds of things, PPC cds are getting printed and delivered which, again, won't work on a lot of hardware
[10:24] <mikearthur> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/34508
[10:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34508 in linux-source-2.6.15 "2.6.15 kernel fails to boot on ppc machine" [High,Fix released]  
[10:24] <mikearthur> the fix didn't make the CDs
[10:25] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointReleaseProcess
[10:25] <infinity> Well, if it's fixed already, it'll be in the next point release.
[10:25] <infinity> Not much we can do before that.
[10:26] <mikearthur> yes there is
[10:26] <mikearthur> you can put a notice next to the ISOs that there are known problems on some hardware, causing them to simply not boot
[10:26] <mikearthur> and an estimated release date for the point release
[10:26] <Keybuk> there's known problems on all hardware
[10:27] <Keybuk> I believe it's mentioned in the Dapper Release Notes too, though I could be mistaken
[10:27] <mikearthur> yeh, but this is a lot more severe than most hardware
[10:27] <infinity> No, it's only more sever because you own it.
[10:27] <infinity> We have boot failures on other bits of hardware too.  The world is less than perfect, unfortunately.
[10:27] <infinity> s/sever/severe/
[10:28] <mikearthur> seems a fair few people complaining in the forums
[10:28] <mikearthur> and thats not including people who will burn a disc, oh, it doesn't boot, next distro
[10:28] <mikearthur> I realise the world isn't perfect
[10:28] <mikearthur> I'm just saying, you might want to make this information a bit more public
[10:29] <ivoks> as fas as i can see, regular update should fix it :)
[10:29] <mikearthur> so people don't waste CDs and time
[10:36] <Keybuk> the net effect is the same though
[10:48] <mikearthur> Keybuk: the net effect compared to what?
[10:48] <mikearthur> its not in the release notes on the page
[10:50] <Keybuk> people won't use that cd on that machine
[10:51] <mikearthur> do you want ubuntu to be used more or less?
[10:56] <Mithrandir> oh, excellent.
[10:56] <Mithrandir> my first jprobe written.
[11:06] <fabbione> Mithrandir: jprobe?
[11:08] <Mithrandir> fabbione: mhm
[11:08] <Mithrandir> fabbione: writing a small module which logs all file accesses and the time they're done.
[11:08] <fabbione> Mithrandir: the "j" at the beginning is scary :)
[11:08] <Mithrandir> fabbione: why?
[11:08] <fabbione> smells of Java
[11:08] <fabbione> rsync: write failed on "/srv/mirrors/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/binary-hppa/Packages.gz": No space left on device (28)
[11:08] <fabbione> UHMPF
[11:09] <Mithrandir> nah, it's a kprobe except it's allowed to inspect the function's arguments.
[11:09] <fabbione> we didn't kill warty from the archive did we?
[11:10] <fabbione> since edgy we added already a 10GB delta of data
[11:11] <fabbione> good night guys
[11:11] <Mithrandir> night, fabio.
[11:40] <robertj> does anyone here have any background on why teamspeak was chosen?
[11:41] <Keybuk> yes
[11:41] <Keybuk> because it's the only program of its kind that used TCP and showed who was speaking
[11:41] <robertj> fair enough
[11:41] <robertj> does the gaim plugin still work?
[11:43] <Keybuk> the whuhwhat?
[11:43] <robertj> libtbb had a gaim plugin inthere somewhere I thought
[11:44] <Keybuk> never heard of it
[11:44] <robertj> it seems to implement the teamspeak protocol
[11:44] <Keybuk> that seems to be the UDP one
[11:45] <robertj> oh