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bddebian | Heya gang | 03:12 |
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tseng | hi | 03:12 |
bddebian | Hi tseng | 03:12 |
bddebian | tseng: So when the hell am I buying you dinner anyway? :-) | 03:13 |
tseng | i just ate | 03:14 |
tseng | on friday i am leaving | 03:14 |
tseng | unless you want to meet me at the airport | 03:15 |
bddebian | Gah | 03:15 |
bddebian | Thursday night I have to head back to Jersey to pick up my family | 03:15 |
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bddebian | Man, it's quiet in here | 03:33 |
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Hobbsee | morning all | 03:57 |
Hawkwind | Evenin to ya Hobbsee | 03:58 |
Hobbsee | hi Hawkwind :) | 03:58 |
Hawkwind | How is ya | 03:58 |
Hobbsee | i'm okay, i've just gotten up, pretty much, and thinking about what i'll do today | 04:00 |
bddebian | Bugfixing, what else is there? :-) | 04:00 |
Hawkwind | I've been up for 11 hours and I'm still wondering what I'll do today too :) | 04:00 |
Hobbsee | heh | 04:01 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: isnt it a bit hard to bug fix from in a chroot? | 04:01 |
bddebian | Nah | 04:01 |
bddebian | Just guess ;-) | 04:01 |
Hobbsee | heh | 04:01 |
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Hobbsee | if we've got a package in debian experimental that we want brought to ubuntu, do we have some sort of special sync, or what? | 05:38 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: You mean a current package, or you want to sync one from Experimental? | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/gnash | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: the latter - it's being asked about in #ubuntu | 05:39 |
bddebian | Have them request a sync/merge from Experimental | 05:40 |
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ajmitch | afternoon Hobbsee, bddebian | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | hi ajmitch :) | 05:41 |
bddebian | Heya Andrew, what's new? | 05:41 |
ajmitch | nothing | 05:45 |
ajmitch | my life is not exciting enough for new stuff :) | 05:45 |
bddebian | Well join the club :-) | 05:48 |
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crimsun | 'lo * | 05:51 |
bddebian | Heya crimsun | 05:51 |
crimsun | 1280x1024 is really nice :) | 05:51 |
ajmitch | hey crimsun | 05:52 |
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crimsun | yeah well, some of our laptops can't output that ;) | 05:53 |
ajmitch | my laptop only has a 1280x800 screen :) | 05:53 |
crimsun | only 1024x768 here :/ | 05:53 |
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crimsun | 915resolution is quite nice, tho' | 05:54 |
ajmitch | yep | 05:54 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: did you steal my brain? | 06:03 |
crimsun | I ... hope not? | 06:04 |
Hobbsee | hmmm...right. where's it gone then? | 06:04 |
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Hobbsee | ajmitch! how dare you! | 06:05 |
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bddebian | Heya Gloubiboulga | 06:08 |
Hobbsee | hi Gloubiboulga | 06:08 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: you assume too much | 06:10 |
Gloubiboulga | morning MOTU world | 06:10 |
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ajmitch | well then | 06:10 |
ajmitch | it proves you don't need a brain for IRC | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | heh | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | true | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | didnt we already know that though, with idiots who get bored, and so start spamming to get kicked, instead of just leaving? | 06:13 |
ajmitch | yes | 06:14 |
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pschulz01 | I'm building a package that just contains files (no building required).. but the $DESTDIR variable isn't being pased to my toplevel make.. amyone got any ideas? | 06:23 |
pschulz01 | 'debian' directory has been recently created with 'dh_make'. | 06:24 |
Gloubiboulga | you can patch the Makefile to make it use $(DESTDIR) | 06:26 |
pschulz01 | I constructed it mysefl.. only one Make target .. 'install' | 06:26 |
pschulz01 | Gloubiboulga: If I put 'echo $(DESTDIR)' - nothing get's echoed. | 06:26 |
Gloubiboulga | ah ok, could you paste your Makefile and your debian/rules on pastebin? | 06:27 |
crimsun | if you're not setting $DESTDIR, then it won't be non-empty... | 06:27 |
pschulz01 | Gloubiboulga: and yet debian/rules has the correct line - '$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/<package>' | 06:28 |
pschulz01 | Gloubiboulga: So I don't know whats wrong here. | 06:28 |
bddebian | crimsun: Isn't that a double-negative? ;-P | 06:28 |
crimsun | as Gauvain mentioned, did you patch the Makefile{,s}? | 06:28 |
pschulz01 | crimsun: Ahh.. I think I found the problem :-) | 06:29 |
pschulz01 | Home spum make file.. onle on target.. it's the first one that gets run.. by just 'make' (compile step).. even before it get;s to the 'install' step. | 06:30 |
pschulz01 | only one target. | 06:30 |
pschulz01 | So DESTDIR is not set :-) | 06:31 |
pschulz01 | Works now :-) | 06:32 |
Gloubiboulga | cool :) | 06:33 |
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bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:53 |
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Sp4rKy | hi MOTUs | 07:46 |
Hobbsee | hey Sp4rKy | 07:46 |
Hobbsee | althouhg i'm not a MOTU | 07:46 |
Sp4rKy | :p | 07:47 |
Sp4rKy | hey Hobbsee | 07:47 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, when will you apply for MOTUness? | 07:47 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: never. | 07:47 |
Gloubiboulga | really? | 07:47 |
Hobbsee | no, i've got no idea | 07:47 |
Sp4rKy | :) | 07:47 |
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Sp4rKy | i'll go to work :( , 'later | 07:48 |
Gloubiboulga | see you Sp4rKy | 07:48 |
Sp4rKy | :) | 07:48 |
Gloubiboulga | I'm leaving too to join the members of the Ubuntu sect ;) | 07:49 |
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dsas | I can see that building a package doesn't need several things that it's setup.py checks for, but needs them at run-time. Should I stop setup.py checking for them? Or just list them as build-depends? | 08:05 |
crimsun | well if you're using setup.py in debian/rules, then either you'll have to include them in debian/control:Build-Depends, or you'll have to reimplement some of setup.py's functionality (or hack it to remove them) in a separate script, ... | 08:08 |
dsas | crimsun: It's easiest for me to include them in Build-Depends I guess. I just wasn't sure if that was correct enough. | 08:09 |
crimsun | if the packages truly aren't needed to generate the deb{,s}, then they should be debian/control:Depends, and you should edit setup.py or not use it at all | 08:10 |
dsas | crimsun: ok. | 08:11 |
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lucas | hi | 08:35 |
lucas | could somebody install gnuplot on tiber.tauware.de ? | 08:35 |
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TheMuso | Morning all. | 08:42 |
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Hobbsee | hey TheMuso | 08:46 |
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sladen | morning TheMuso | 08:55 |
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siretart | lucas: done | 09:03 |
lucas | thanks | 09:03 |
Hobbsee | evening siretart | 09:03 |
siretart | huhu Hobbsee | 09:03 |
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ajmitch | hi dholbach | 09:33 |
dholbach | heya ajmitch | 09:33 |
ajmitch | schedule up for today yet? | 09:34 |
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nixternal | dholbach: you guys going over the "Drinking from the firehose" spec yet? | 09:34 |
dholbach | nixternal: just starting it | 09:34 |
nixternal | you going to be on ts or gobby at all with it? | 09:35 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: Oak? | 09:35 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: heya, was another nick i used for a while | 09:35 |
ajmitch | right... | 09:35 |
nixternal | lol | 09:35 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: see k-devel if you really want to know | 09:35 |
lucas | http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png | 09:35 |
lucas | (data is wrong, but you get the idea) | 09:35 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: I probably don't... | 09:36 |
Hobbsee | heh, it's really not that bad... | 09:36 |
ajmitch | still strange | 09:37 |
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ajmitch | hey \sh | 09:37 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: and i was testign out something where i needed a different hostmask. and since most nicks of mine are registered, i didnt have much choice | 09:37 |
Hobbsee | hey \sh | 09:37 |
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\sh | re | 09:38 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: I look at the channels I'm in where you're most likely to cause trouble | 09:38 |
Hobbsee | haha | 09:38 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: you're not in one of them :P | 09:38 |
ajmitch | only one? that's a surprise | 09:38 |
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\sh | were anyone attending the TB meeting? | 09:45 |
ajmitch | there was no TB meeting that I know of | 09:46 |
\sh | tuesday 20th, 2000 UTC :) | 09:47 |
ajmitch | yes, and it didn't go ahead | 09:47 |
\sh | ah ok | 09:47 |
ajmitch | you were there then | 09:47 |
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\sh | ajmitch: just before official start...but with a b0rke umts network connection....and I asked mjg59 to discuss my request...and they should give me feedback via irc or mail.. | 09:48 |
\sh | in the moment it's really hard for me, to attend meetings in the evening... | 09:49 |
ajmitch | yeah, it would be | 09:49 |
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ajmitch | morning jsgotangco | 09:54 |
jsgotangco | good morning | 09:55 |
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Toadstool | 'morning | 10:01 |
Hobbsee | morning Toadstool | 10:01 |
Toadstool | hi Hobbsee | 10:01 |
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raphink | hi Hobbsee, Toadstool, ajmitch, jsgotangco, \h | 10:08 |
raphink | \sh | 10:08 |
raphink | this is hard to type | 10:08 |
ajmitch | hey raphink :) | 10:08 |
Toadstool | hi raphink | 10:08 |
jsgotangco | raphink: hi! | 10:08 |
raphink | :) | 10:08 |
Hobbsee | hi raphink :) | 10:08 |
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Hobbsee | raphink: fix the universe | 10:09 |
ajmitch | break edgy? | 10:09 |
Hobbsee | that too | 10:09 |
Hobbsee | break dapper :P | 10:09 |
raphink | break edgy I can do :) | 10:09 |
raphink | let's see what I can do to this 2.6.17 kernel | 10:09 |
raphink | how could I bork it | 10:09 |
Hobbsee | raphink: do the restricted modules? | 10:10 |
raphink | I don't want to be killed by Ben | 10:11 |
Hobbsee | heh | 10:15 |
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cymcy | hello #ubuntu-motu | 10:36 |
Hobbsee | hi cymcy | 10:36 |
cymcy | hi does anyone know what is the status of lirc in dapper ? | 10:37 |
raphink | hi cymcy | 10:37 |
Toadstool | hi cymcy | 10:37 |
raphink | cymcy: frozen | 10:37 |
raphink | as everything else in dapper | 10:37 |
cymcy | so how do it working ? | 10:37 |
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cymcy | I go under a lot of site, under https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/45703, under the #5443, so it looks like it don't work under dapper. I try to compile the lirc-module package. | 10:40 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 45703 in lirc "Unable to use modules in dapper" [Medium,Confirmed] | 10:40 |
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cymcy | yes. with make-kpkg there is no /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf so unable to continue. I try with snapshot of lirc (0.7.3pre1 and 0.8.0) but there is lot of errors (undefined symbols) | 10:44 |
cymcy | I followed this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToLirc. I will try other things | 10:49 |
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LaserJock | hi MOTUs | 11:12 |
Hobbsee | heya LaserJock | 11:12 |
Gloubiboulga | hey LaserJock | 11:12 |
LaserJock | hi Hobbsee and Gloubiboulga | 11:12 |
ajmitch | hey LaserJock, Gloubiboulga | 11:13 |
TheMuso | Hey LaserJock. | 11:13 |
Gloubiboulga | I've just read the updated easier-MOTUing wiki page, it rocks :) | 11:13 |
LaserJock | yes | 11:13 |
=== ajmitch should see what's new on there since yesterday | ||
Gloubiboulga | hey ajmitch, TheMuso | 11:13 |
LaserJock | dholbach wrote quite a bit yesterday | 11:13 |
ajmitch | I guessed he would | 11:14 |
Hobbsee | link, bitte? | 11:14 |
ajmitch | I wonder if I should be a mentor or not | 11:14 |
ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing | 11:14 |
LaserJock | yes | 11:14 |
Toadstool | hi Gloubiboulga and LaserJock | 11:14 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: you should | 11:14 |
Hobbsee | danke | 11:14 |
Gloubiboulga | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing | 11:14 |
LaserJock | hi Toadstool | 11:14 |
ajmitch | I'm not exactly mentor material | 11:14 |
Gloubiboulga | oops, too late | 11:14 |
Gloubiboulga | hello Toadstool | 11:14 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: I think as many of us as possible should chip in so a few don't get swamped | 11:15 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: I don't want to scare too many away | 11:15 |
Hobbsee | Shy contributors will have the possibility to mail volunteering MOTUs and developers who will help them until they're ready to communicate via mailing lists and irc channels. <-- hah, i like that - "shy contributors" just like myself :P | 11:15 |
LaserJock | bah, send them to me then ;-) | 11:15 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: we haven't scared you off yet, for some reason | 11:15 |
LaserJock | exactly | 11:16 |
raphink | hi Gloubiboulga && LaserJock | 11:16 |
LaserJock | raphink!!! | 11:16 |
ajmitch | you spend enough time here to not be shy :P | 11:16 |
Gloubiboulga | salut raphink :) | 11:16 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: yeah, there's only specific ways to do that | 11:16 |
LaserJock | I went to paris raphink! | 11:16 |
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raphink | great Laser :) | 11:16 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: er...that depends on who i'm talking to. | 11:16 |
raphink | how was it? | 11:16 |
=== Hobbsee still avoids some of the devs like the plague. | ||
=== ajmitch throws chocolate at Hobbsee | ||
LaserJock | raphink: ok, lots of people, but it was really an amazing place | 11:16 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, names, please ;) | 11:16 |
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LaserJock | good girl | 11:17 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: the big and scary "core dev" people that yell if people get things wrong. | 11:17 |
raphink | wish I could shw you around | 11:17 |
LaserJock | raphink: me too, but I went with a few others so I was ok | 11:17 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, ok I see :) | 11:17 |
jsgotangco | raphink: are you here? | 11:17 |
raphink | cool | 11:17 |
raphink | jsgotangco: I'm in Nice | 11:17 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: they aren't as scary in person ;-) | 11:17 |
raphink | :( | 11:17 |
jsgotangco | is that far? | 11:17 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: they're quite interesting in person :) | 11:18 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: they probably arent big and scary, but they are to me - i was terrified of ajmitch for a while. | 11:18 |
raphink | jsgotangco: about 900km | 11:18 |
Gloubiboulga | Do you guys in Paris go to the "fte de la musique" this evening? | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | doh! | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | Gloubiboulga: good idea | 11:18 |
ajmitch | jsgotangco: yes, Nice is quite a long way from paris :) | 11:18 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: me too | 11:18 |
raphink | jsgotangco: like try to imagine the furthest you can go from paris in metropolitan france | 11:18 |
raphink | jsgotangco: and you get there | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | raphink: we're like 40min away from the eiffel tower by train and that's far | 11:18 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: I wanted his reviews though because if it passes the ajmitch test then it is probably good enough for Debian/Ubuntu | 11:18 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, actually it was the same for me, but seeing them in real life for 3 days now, I can tell you, they are cool and nice guys, really | 11:19 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: haha. he must be very scary then :P | 11:19 |
raphink | jsgotangco: I'm 1 hour away from Paris by plane, not that far ;) | 11:19 |
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Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: right, i'll take your word for it | 11:19 |
Hobbsee | hi ogra | 11:19 |
ajmitch | this is why I shouldn't be a mentor | 11:19 |
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jsgotangco | maybe its a good idea to escape this jail tonight | 11:19 |
Mithrandir | Hobbsee: just make sure to scratch him behind the ear and he'll be a happy eft and do your bidding. :-P | 11:19 |
raphink | anyway, anybody who wants to enjoy the coast is welcome here ;) | 11:20 |
Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe right | 11:20 |
ogra | Hobbsee, you never met me in RL :P | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | ogra: true, i've never met *any* of you in RL | 11:22 |
ogra | ;) | 11:22 |
Hobbsee | ogra: but you dont seem too scary over IRC | 11:22 |
LaserJock | as long as ogra has his pants on he's not too scary ;-) | 11:22 |
ogra | HAHA | 11:22 |
jsgotangco | hahaha | 11:22 |
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ajmitch | LaserJock: TMI | 11:22 |
LaserJock | lol | 11:22 |
LaserJock | apparently it was a very hot drive from Germany, that's all I'm saying | 11:23 |
ogra | *g* | 11:23 |
ajmitch | heh | 11:23 |
ajmitch | don't scare me like that | 11:23 |
jsgotangco | well | 11:23 |
ajmitch | we have ladies present here.. :) | 11:23 |
jsgotangco | that's how the typical european dresses when they're in asia though | 11:23 |
=== Hobbsee makes a mental note not to go to asia. | ||
LaserJock | but you aren't all that far away | 11:28 |
LaserJock | and I'm sure it won't scare you too badly | 11:28 |
jsgotangco | LaserJock: as long as ogra doesn't reach anything on the floor with those trousers on | 11:29 |
LaserJock | lol | 11:29 |
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Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: actually, the real one that scares me is mdz - i dont think the rest are too bad. | 11:30 |
LaserJock | heh | 11:30 |
LaserJock | I find him to be one of the friendliest, in person and online | 11:31 |
=== ogra wonders if his bum is really that ugly ... | ||
Gloubiboulga | I agree with LaserJock | 11:31 |
=== Hobbsee got the wrong side of him in a bug report, unfortunately :P | ||
LaserJock | elmo is the one that I've always had a hard time feeling comfortable with | 11:32 |
LaserJock | he is great | 11:32 |
Hobbsee | havent even been near him | 11:32 |
LaserJock | but extremely busy | 11:32 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: you really see another side of people when you meet them in person | 11:32 |
Hobbsee | yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side? | 11:32 |
LaserJock | except elmo is about exactly what I though he would be | 11:32 |
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LaserJock | I still have a very hard time asking him questions | 11:33 |
LaserJock | it's not that he is particularlly unfriendly | 11:33 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 11:33 |
TheMuso | It is certainly one thing to talk to people online, but it is another thing to meet them in person. | 11:33 |
jsgotangco | he's a really nice guy | 11:33 |
LaserJock | but I always feel like I about to say something increadibly dumb | 11:33 |
=== jsgotangco trust him he's elmo's roommate | ||
=== ajmitch has even managed to meet Mithrandir in person | ||
Hobbsee | yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side? | 11:34 |
=== Hobbsee thought she sent that. | ||
jsgotangco | LaserJock: he's been very tired the past few days | 11:34 |
LaserJock | jsgotangco: I can imagine, that is my problem with him | 11:35 |
LaserJock | jsgotangco: he is always so busy that I really really hate bothering him | 11:35 |
LaserJock | but I did ask about team speak and he was very nice and helpful | 11:35 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: dont worry - i'm usually teh one that says the dumb things, and i never seem to get laughed at too badly. | 11:39 |
Hobbsee | although that relates more to anyone, not just elmo | 11:39 |
LaserJock | heh, well I'm really feeling quite stupid at this meeting, but I'll survive | 11:40 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: i'm told, and i would think it applies here too "you'll learn" | 11:41 |
LaserJock | heh, maybe eventually | 11:42 |
LaserJock | I'm just not a hacker | 11:42 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: you think i am? | 11:44 |
LaserJock | more than me | 11:44 |
=== Hobbsee is always amazed that she doesnt get told to shut up. | ||
LaserJock | Hobbsee: have you ever taken a computer science class? | 11:44 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: first semester of a c++ class, yes | 11:44 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: you're already doing better than me then ;-) | 11:45 |
Hobbsee | but transferring what i've learned there to how it actually works in regards to the real world, etc...that's a challenge that i havent even tried to work out yet. | 11:45 |
LaserJock | heh | 11:45 |
=== Hobbsee will be dissapointed if she didnt get at least a distinction in that exam. it was far too easy. | ||
LaserJock | my problem is that I don't know how anything works in a low-level way | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | define "low-level"? | 11:46 |
LaserJock | like I use the tool, I don't know how the tool does it's job | 11:46 |
LaserJock | Ubuntu "Just Works" | 11:46 |
TheMuso | Nobody is dumb guys. Everybody is smart in their own special way and the area that they are most interested in and follow the most. | 11:46 |
TheMuso | c | 11:46 |
LaserJock | TheMuso: yeah, I'm special all right ;-) | 11:47 |
kelmo | sometimes that is an advantage, to know how it works but not get tangled up in the why | 11:47 |
TheMuso | LaserJock: You should feel special. You were granted sponsorship to attend this summit. | 11:47 |
LaserJock | bah, that's because they didn't really know ;-) | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: yeah, we're just special at disrupting people | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | :P | 11:48 |
LaserJock | hehe | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | ah okay, yeah | 11:48 |
TheMuso | Nah seriously guys. | 11:48 |
Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, Hobbsee, seriously | 11:48 |
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Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: hmmm? | 11:48 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, you're part of the Kubuntu council, right? | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: yes | 11:49 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: and others wanted me there. | 11:49 |
LaserJock | really, I honestly don't fit in in Linux development, I can doc and organize, but ... | 11:49 |
Gloubiboulga | and LaserJock is a MOTU and get sponsored, I think you guys rock, that's it | 11:49 |
LaserJock | lol | 11:49 |
LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: you got sponsored too, so you rock. in fact this whole channel rocks | 11:50 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: should we just say okay, and pretend that we believe you? :P | 11:50 |
Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I dindn't get sponsored actually, I live next to Paris :) | 11:50 |
Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, yes please ;) | 11:50 |
Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: right :P | 11:50 |
Mithrandir | LaserJock: yes, and? I can program, but I can't document my way out of a brown paper bag. | 11:50 |
Hobbsee | bleck, documentation | 11:51 |
jsgotangco | Gloubiboulga: so where's this fete happening... | 11:51 |
LaserJock | Mithrandir: well, documentation is made difficult when you don't understand the material | 11:51 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: anyway, you wrote/fixed the packaging guide - that in itself is great. | 11:51 |
LaserJock | bah | 11:51 |
Hobbsee | and a help to others. | 11:51 |
Mithrandir | LaserJock: I can explain it to somebody who can write the docs, but I'm utterly unable to write the docs myself. | 11:51 |
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Gloubiboulga | jsgotangco, everywhere | 11:51 |
=== Hobbsee doesnt wnat to think about how many times she had to go searching for that | ||
TheMuso | ...and I understand a lot about various bits o infrastructure to do with accessibility. I can read a bit of code, but I am certainly not a proficient programmer as yet. | 11:51 |
jsgotangco | Gloubiboulga: whole of paris? | 11:52 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: yes, you sounded rather like bddebian | 11:52 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: he is my hero ;-) | 11:52 |
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dsas | :p | 11:52 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 11:52 |
TheMuso | But I am not really a doc writer either, but can try. It takes me a while to get things right. :) | 11:52 |
LaserJock | wha?? | 11:52 |
Gloubiboulga | jsgotangco, yep, just walk around in Paris and you'll here music and see musicians :) | 11:52 |
TheMuso | I still assume too much about what I am writing about. :) | 11:52 |
jsgotangco | interesting | 11:52 |
LaserJock | TheMuso: yeah, that is easy to do, that's why outside review is important | 11:53 |
Gloubiboulga | s/here/hear | 11:53 |
TheMuso | LaserJock: Damn right. | 11:53 |
TheMuso | I am finding that with one of my specs. | 11:53 |
LaserJock | TheMuso: man, you type fast, all I hear is your keyboard clicking sooo fast | 11:54 |
TheMuso | heh | 11:55 |
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LaserJock | mine is like plunk .... plunk ... plunk | 11:55 |
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TheMuso | heh | 11:56 |
TheMuso | I must say that I really do like this keyboard. | 11:56 |
Mithrandir | my x40's keyboard is _so_ much nicer after I got a new one. | 11:56 |
jsgotangco | touchtypists rule | 11:56 |
Hobbsee | hehe yeah | 11:57 |
LaserJock | it takes me long enough to think of what to type that I've never needed to type all that fast | 11:57 |
LaserJock | other than CC and TB meetings ;-) | 11:57 |
Hobbsee | hah - but cant you pretype a lot of that? | 11:57 |
LaserJock | yep ;-) | 11:58 |
LaserJock | thank goodness | 11:58 |
TheMuso | I think working with speech synthesis at a fast rate has caused my brain to speed up its thought process. | 11:58 |
LaserJock | core-dev is harder to do that with though, I'd have to practice beforehand but doubt I'll ever do that so ... | 11:58 |
TheMuso | But could be wrong. | 11:59 |
=== Hobbsee deliberately slowed *down* her thought processes. pity. | ||
Hobbsee | was useful then, not so useful now. they need to speed up again. | 11:59 |
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LaserJock | don't break it completely | 12:00 |
TheMuso | StevenK: I don't think your mother will lke that. | 12:00 |
Hobbsee | argh! i'm jumped on | 12:00 |
Mithrandir | Hobbsee: drink lots of coffee. That'll teach your brain about slowing down. | 12:00 |
Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hah. cant stand the stuff. and coke doesn tseem that effective - only good for calming me down a bit. | 12:01 |
=== TheMuso doesn't like coffee either. | ||
Mithrandir | Hobbsee: espresso shots are nice, they seem to make decent-ish coffee here. | 12:01 |
Mithrandir | I usually don't drink it either. | 12:01 |
TheMuso | Thats why I would rather get a good night sleep than consume copious amounts of caffeen at the start of each day. | 12:01 |
Hobbsee | hmmm okay... | 12:01 |
LaserJock | I don't do either | 12:02 |
=== Hobbsee has never been into tea or coffee at all. | ||
=== StevenK has cut down on how much caffeine he drinks. | ||
TheMuso | I don't mind tea during winter. | 12:02 |
=== Mithrandir bounces around StevenK | ||
LaserJock | I went to bed at 3:00am last night and never drink coffee | 12:02 |
=== Hobbsee makes a mental note to remove all coke from StevenK's house. | ||
StevenK | I usually drink Coke at work. | 12:03 |
LaserJock | Diet Pepsi for me unfortunately | 12:03 |
StevenK | Eww | 12:03 |
Hobbsee | ewwwwww!!! | 12:03 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock you're insane!!!! | 12:03 |
LaserJock | my teeth can't handle the real stuff anymore | 12:04 |
Hobbsee | diet pepsi isnt worth drinking! | 12:04 |
=== TheMuso prefers ginger beer, or cordial and soda water for fizzy drinks. | ||
StevenK | If you were a real drinker you wouldn't have teeth. | 12:04 |
Hobbsee | haha | 12:04 |
=== Hobbsee pictures a toothless StevenK | ||
LaserJock | StevenK: right, I've already had to have 2 crowns | 12:04 |
jsgotangco | ive tasted ginger beer i didnt like it | 12:04 |
LaserJock | it's expensive | 12:04 |
LaserJock | the dental work I mean | 12:05 |
StevenK | Any dental work is expensive. | 12:05 |
=== StevenK avoids the expense by avoiding the dentist. | ||
Hobbsee | oh yeah, i was supposed to go back there... | 12:05 |
=== Hobbsee goes back to happily ignoring that idea. | ||
TheMuso | Dental work is expensive if it is reactive treatment, not preventative. | 12:05 |
TheMuso | Preventative is not soo bad. | 12:06 |
StevenK | Last time I went, I was charged $110 to have the dentist look at my teeth and clean them. | 12:06 |
StevenK | "Cheap" is a relative term. | 12:06 |
LaserJock | I paid $1200 USD for my last visit :( | 12:07 |
TheMuso | Ouch. | 12:07 |
LaserJock | yeah, just because of soda and popcorn, grrr | 12:07 |
=== TheMuso has drunk more water this week than he has in the last 6 months. | ||
TheMuso | :) | 12:08 |
TheMuso | Maybe not quite that much. | 12:08 |
TheMuso | But water is good. | 12:08 |
TheMuso | I don't like that gassy water however. Totally ruins the taste of water. | 12:08 |
LaserJock | I can't find much water | 12:09 |
TheMuso | I am pretty sure it is on every table, and has been at meal times as well. | 12:09 |
TheMuso | or do you just prefer not to find it? :) | 12:10 |
=== StevenK keeps raiding the bottled water at work | ||
LaserJock | but there isn't very much of it | 12:10 |
Hobbsee | darn. i left my waterbottle at work on monday night. | 12:10 |
=== Hobbsee got the chocolate, payslip, shifts, locker key (the one thing i usually forget, and have to go back for - grr), but not the water bottle. | ||
Hobbsee | oh well | 12:11 |
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ajmitch | water bottles are replacable | 12:11 |
Hobbsee | true | 12:11 |
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=== StevenK ponders blocking the machine his mother is accessing the Internet from so his download will go faster. | ||
Hobbsee | StevenK: hah. what are you downloading? and where is this? | 12:13 |
ajmitch | go ahead... | 12:13 |
LaserJock | water is soo expensive here though | 12:13 |
ajmitch | StevenK: on dialup? | 12:13 |
StevenK | Hobbsee: A song from my work machine. | 12:14 |
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StevenK | ajmitch: Close. 256/64 DSL | 12:14 |
ajmitch | ouch | 12:14 |
LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 12:14 |
imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 12:14 |
jsgotangco | LaserJock: try hoarding the bottles in this room now | 12:15 |
imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 12:15 |
ajmitch | hello imbrandon | 12:15 |
TheMuso | hey imbrandon. | 12:15 |
imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 12:15 |
imbrandon | Hobbsee, ping | 12:15 |
LaserJock | well, actually I'm having more problems trying to find clean glasses | 12:15 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: pong | 12:15 |
TheMuso | LaserJock: heh its getting that way isn't it. | 12:15 |
LaserJock | and the evian tates funny | 12:15 |
TheMuso | They do get replaced every morning however. | 12:15 |
StevenK | Evian tasting funny is a feature. | 12:16 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: drink it from teh jug? | 12:16 |
imbrandon | Hobbsee, i dident think about libvisual0.4-plugins , i'm building now and adding to my repo | 12:16 |
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=== LaserJock files a bug | ||
Hobbsee | imbrandon: cool. i got it mostly working, but it looked weird on my machine. | 12:16 |
rob | to actually log into revu, how does one obtain a login/password? | 12:16 |
imbrandon | heheh well i dont use visualisations so i dident notice | 12:16 |
Hobbsee | rob: send your key to the keyring thingo, then they'll give you one | 12:16 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: really? | 12:17 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: i didnt either, except to check them out | 12:17 |
rob | Hobbsee, I've been added | 12:17 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: really to what? | 12:17 |
imbrandon | rob, once you upload the first time , you can use the "retreive password" from REVU | 12:17 |
LaserJock | rob: you upload first and then use the email you used in the upload | 12:17 |
Hobbsee | bah, beaten. | 12:17 |
LaserJock | haha | 12:17 |
imbrandon | ;) | 12:17 |
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Hobbsee | rob: right next to the login box | 12:18 |
rob | clicking on recover when entering nothing tries to download a .py file in konqueror? | 12:19 |
imbrandon | http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=<fill in emial here> | 12:19 |
imbrandon | rob ^^ | 12:19 |
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rob | the motu-reviewers list info page is broken too | 12:21 |
rob | well, maybe not too | 12:21 |
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Hobbsee | hah | 12:21 |
=== Hobbsee stands contrite and sorry for whatever she's done now | ||
ajmitch | sure you are.. | 12:22 |
imbrandon | ajmitch , mind looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2384 so i can get it uploaded to edgy , dosent require x or anything so it should be ok to upload now ( btw crimsun looked at it to already but he still needs to advocate it so i can get my 2 motu reviews ) | 12:22 |
=== ajmitch wonders why he gets asked... | ||
imbrandon | ajmitch cuz i talk to you once in a bit ;) | 12:22 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: because they want to get told off by you | 12:23 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: ajmitch is a nasty reviewer | 12:23 |
ajmitch | LaserJock is a better reviewer :) | 12:23 |
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imbrandon | Hobbsee, he's already reviewd that before just dident advocate it so it can be uploaded ;) | 12:23 |
LaserJock | he gets asked becuase ajmitch is a good reviewer and he makes the mistake of talking in the channel | 12:23 |
=== ajmitch shouldn't make that mistake any more | ||
Hobbsee | haha | 12:23 |
imbrandon | hahaha | 12:23 |
=== Hobbsee makes a mental note to never go for MOTU. | ||
LaserJock | lol | 12:24 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: you've seen how many lintian warnings there are? | 12:24 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: you need the crimsun lurking technique down better | 12:24 |
StevenK | Hobbsee: Aww, why not? | 12:24 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: I agree | 12:24 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee really *must* become a MOTU | 12:24 |
rob | ooh someone finally looked at my package today :) | 12:25 |
ajmitch | I agree | 12:25 |
ajmitch | then Hobbsee can do all our reviewing | 12:25 |
ajmitch | & uploads | 12:25 |
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imbrandon | ajmitch yea i seen them but crimsun said they would be fine for universe since upstream sucks, guess i could go fix them all ;) | 12:25 |
Gloubiboulga | ajmitch, true | 12:25 |
Hobbsee | StevenK: so i cant get asked to review things, of course. | 12:26 |
Toadstool | re | 12:26 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: what's the second last lintian error mean? | 12:26 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: ahh, the grand tradition of encouraging unsuspecting new people into doing all our work ;-) | 12:26 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: heh, why? | 12:26 |
imbrandon | Hobbsee, the NMU one ? | 12:26 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: we need a MOTU calendar girl | 12:26 |
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ajmitch | Hobbsee: I'd have to look at it again.. | 12:26 |
imbrandon | better run FAST | 12:26 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: yes | 12:26 |
Gloubiboulga | do we already have a girl in the MOTU team? | 12:27 |
LaserJock | hehe | 12:27 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: you need to clean up stuff in debian/rules too | 12:27 |
imbrandon | ajmitch she means : apt-mirror source: changelog-should-mention-nmu : idk either | 12:27 |
imbrandon | ajmitch ok | 12:27 |
ajmitch | eg, why do you use dh_installexamples ? | 12:27 |
=== Hobbsee taps her keyboard, wondering what she should reply... | ||
LaserJock | Hobbsee: seriously, we can always use more help and you are good at what you do | 12:27 |
imbrandon | ajmitch i just packaged upstream , i can redo it though no biggie | 12:28 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: i think you'd better run *very* fast! | 12:28 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: the fact that you are a woman *does* help encourage other women into development | 12:28 |
LaserJock | but I'm more interested in your atitude towards teamwork and your helpfullness | 12:28 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: 'just packaging upstream' usually isn't good enough for us :) | 12:28 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: stop digging your hole :P | 12:29 |
imbrandon | ;) | 12:29 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: bah, I'm married, I'm good at it | 12:29 |
Hobbsee | actually, perhaps you'd be better to go hide in the doghouse for a week, or something. | 12:29 |
imbrandon | lol | 12:30 |
LaserJock | if you haven't figured out by now that I was very much kidding and playing around then ... ;-) | 12:30 |
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Hobbsee | LaserJock: yes, i figured :P | 12:30 |
ajmitch | Hobbsee: you can't use that excuse, you've already shown some photos | 12:30 |
LaserJock | I even considered being an ubuntu-women mentor | 12:30 |
LaserJock | but I probably lack the skills for that | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | ajmitch: excuse? what excuse? on second thoughts, i'm not going there. | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: you could mentor anyone, no matter what their gender, i would think | 12:31 |
LaserJock | I think so | 12:31 |
LaserJock | my wife is a social scientist very keen on gender issues so I get a lot of this stuff at home already :-) | 12:32 |
Hobbsee | heh | 12:32 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: ah, so you get lots of practice at digging holes? | 12:32 |
LaserJock | yes, very much so | 12:32 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 12:33 |
Hobbsee | dinner | 12:33 |
ajmitch | goodbye, Hobbsee | 12:33 |
=== Hobbsee will be back | ||
LaserJock | ajmitch: sometimes I ask her "what's for dinner?" just to tease her ;-) | 12:33 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: FYI, i'm the kind of girl who will take almost all comments like yours above as a joke, unless they're really offensive. and i might just comment back | 12:34 |
=== Hobbsee is not for dinner. She's not worth eating. | ||
Hobbsee | too bony :P | 12:34 |
LaserJock | uggh | 12:34 |
LaserJock | can't have that | 12:34 |
Hobbsee | haha | 12:34 |
LaserJock | Hobbsee: I figured I could get away with it with you, otherwise I wouldn't have said it ;-) | 12:35 |
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LaserJock | Hobbsee: but you need some good male jokes (there are lots to chose from) to come back with ;-) | 12:35 |
Mithrandir | LaserJock: she could just kick you in the groin instead. :-P | 12:35 |
LaserJock | lol | 12:37 |
LaserJock | only if she was here, which she isn't so there | 12:37 |
jsgotangco | she must be pissed of you going to paris with la tour eiffel and all... | 12:38 |
ajmitch | heh | 12:39 |
LaserJock | yeah, I thought it was bigger | 12:40 |
LaserJock | I've got some great video/sound of highvoltage saying some things about eiffel | 12:40 |
LaserJock | I'll have to blog it later ;-) | 12:41 |
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cymcy | hello #ubuntu-motu | 12:44 |
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LaserJock | hm, that was sort of short | 12:45 |
ajmitch | it was rather | 12:46 |
Gloubiboulga | we're lucky his sentence didn't end with '?', thinking about the log parsing we've discussed yesterday :) | 12:46 |
LaserJock | hehe | 12:47 |
LaserJock | I don't really think log parsing would be very effective for this channel | 12:48 |
Gloubiboulga | I agree | 12:49 |
ajmitch | far too random | 12:49 |
LaserJock | but I think we can get an idea of FAQs just from our own experiences | 12:51 |
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Tonio_ | hi | 01:00 |
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Hobbsee | Mithrandir: one day i just might :P | 01:27 |
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\sh | siretart: ping | 01:46 |
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Mithrandir | Hobbsee: be sure to save an mpeg or jpeg for those of us not present. | 02:14 |
Hobbsee | Mithrandir: haha :P | 02:14 |
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Hobbsee | of me being violent, yes | 02:14 |
Mithrandir | or at least a .ogg | 02:14 |
Hobbsee | haha right | 02:15 |
LaserJock_ | yes, we need open source ;-) | 02:15 |
ajmitch | Mithrandir: don't encourage her, please | 02:15 |
LaserJock_ | hmm, why are there so many of me? | 02:15 |
Mithrandir | ajmitch: you should be at a safe distance. | 02:15 |
ajmitch | that's the problem | 02:16 |
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Mithrandir | ajmitch: you would _like_ to not be? | 02:16 |
ajmitch | Mithrandir: no, that I'm going over to australia next week | 02:16 |
ajmitch | and so the opportunities for violence increase immensely | 02:17 |
Mithrandir | well, walk nicely there, then. | 02:17 |
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Hobbsee | ajmitch: you'll be fine :) | 02:26 |
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zul | ajmitch: heh..a dingo ate my baby | 02:27 |
ajmitch | heh | 02:29 |
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\sh | hmmm..no kudzu package for dapper? | 02:40 |
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Kyral | Morning | 02:56 |
Hobbsee | morning Kyral | 02:57 |
Laser_away | hi Kyral | 02:58 |
truz_`24 | If one wanted to download the latest kernel from kernel.org, they would need to build a kernel image, restricted modules package, and a linux-headers package right? | 03:00 |
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shawarma | truz_`24: Not if you just wanted to download it.. :-) | 03:08 |
truz_`24 | :-) | 03:09 |
truz_`24 | I guess I should have said download and install. | 03:09 |
shawarma | truz_`24: Do you need any of the things in linux-restricted-modules? | 03:09 |
truz_`24 | fglrx | 03:09 |
shawarma | Well.. Ubuntu can run just fine without the packaged kernels. | 03:10 |
truz_`24 | Well, i figured if you packaged it, it would be easier to remove | 03:10 |
shawarma | Fetch the kernel, compile it, fetch the fglrx source from ati, reboot, compile fglrx, install it, reboot and you're done. | 03:10 |
shawarma | truz_`24: Oh, yes. | 03:10 |
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kelmo | well, kernel-package is a nice tool | 03:12 |
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truz_`24 | I'm surprised there aren't already bleeding edge packages of the "latest stable kernel" | 03:13 |
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zul | in edgy there is, but i wuldnt run edgy yet | 03:14 |
ajmitch | unless you like the taste of blood | 03:14 |
truz_`24 | Which leads me to ask, what goes into making the decision of what kernel dapper runs? and when it gets upgraded. | 03:14 |
zul | like ajmitch does | 03:14 |
ajmitch | mmmm | 03:14 |
truz_`24 | why is it 2.6.15-25 | 03:14 |
Hobbsee | mmm...tasty blood... | 03:15 |
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ajmitch | Hobbsee: you are worrying | 03:15 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 03:15 |
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zul | truz_`24: dapper only get security updates and small little fixes | 03:15 |
shawarma | truz_`24: You're talking about the -25 ? | 03:16 |
truz_`24 | that and the -15 | 03:17 |
truz_`24 | .15 i mean | 03:17 |
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shawarma | truz_`24: Err.. then I don't understand the question. | 03:19 |
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ajmitch | hm | 03:28 |
Hobbsee | who cut what string? | 03:29 |
ajmitch | you did it | 03:29 |
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ajmitch | they all say that | 03:30 |
Hobbsee | hehe...really! | 03:31 |
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ajmitch | hello Yagisan | 04:43 |
Yagisan | G'day ajmitch | 04:43 |
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Yagisan | ajmitch: found my new uni has a really bad spam filter today | 04:44 |
ajmitch | excellent | 04:45 |
ajmitch | so throw away 99% of mail to that account? | 04:45 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: it scans all incoming mail & attachments for certain regexs, except, they got the regexs wrong | 04:45 |
ajmitch | hah | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | haha great | 04:45 |
ajmitch | I love incompetent IT staff | 04:45 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: mis-identifies the word "rollex" in my .jpg attachments, and rejected my email 4 times | 04:46 |
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Yagisan | when I finally got my email through, it included a rather off-handed comment about the mail admin might want to a) learn regexes, b) enroll in the same course,c) use a real spamfilter, and d) never reject the mail | 04:48 |
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Yagisan | and all rejection headers of it previous bounces | 04:48 |
Yagisan | it was funny for 15 sections to see the word "enrollment" also trigger the same regex | 04:49 |
Yagisan | argh! s/sections/seconds | 04:50 |
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pygi | Hey folks | 05:15 |
ajmitch | hi pygi | 05:15 |
pygi | Just wanted to inform you that I have registered upstream products (Diva and Bonfire) which we will hopefully sync from Debian as soon as they appear in Unstable | 05:16 |
pygi | which shouldn't be too long | 05:16 |
pygi | s/be/take | 05:16 |
pygi | hey ajmitch | 05:16 |
ajmitch | oh dear | 05:16 |
pygi | ajmitch, what I did this time? :P | 05:17 |
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ajmitch | diva | 05:17 |
LaserJock | bddebian! | 05:17 |
ajmitch | hello bddebian | 05:18 |
pygi | ajmitch, what's wrong with Diva? :) | 05:18 |
bddebian | Heya gang | 05:18 |
bddebian | Hi LaserJock, ajmitch | 05:18 |
ajmitch | pygi: I see it's not in the NEW queue in debian yet - is the packaging available somewhere? | 05:18 |
pygi | ajmitch, in ITP it is, but it currently requires a CVS dependencies | 05:18 |
bddebian | Is there anything wrong with the archives today? | 05:19 |
pygi | we should release Diva 0.0.3 which doesn't need patched GST rather soon | 05:19 |
ajmitch | pygi: an ITP is just a bug, I'm talking about the packaging :) | 05:19 |
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ajmitch | pygi: since you will of course have followed the debian CLI policy, right? :) | 05:19 |
pygi | ajmitch, there is a package attached there I think | 05:19 |
pygi | ajmitch, :) | 05:20 |
pygi | the Diva package is great, no worries :) | 05:20 |
bddebian | My 'Edgy' machine is broken :'-( | 05:21 |
ajmitch | bddebian: it's expected | 05:22 |
ajmitch | deal with it | 05:22 |
bddebian | I can't | 05:22 |
ajmitch | then you'll have to burn the machone | 05:22 |
bddebian | I can't update anything and name resolution isn't working :-( | 05:22 |
ajmitch | fix it | 05:22 |
Hobbsee | haha | 05:22 |
bddebian | I have been trying | 05:22 |
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Sp4rKy | Hi :) | 05:22 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Adding a hosts entry for archive.ubuntu.com or using the IP address in sources.list still says it can't connect?? :-( | 05:24 |
ajmitch | bddebian: then you broke it | 05:25 |
Kamping_Kaiser | bddebian, can you ping by ip? | 05:25 |
bddebian | Kamping_Kaiser: Yep | 05:25 |
Kamping_Kaiser | now thats cute. | 05:25 |
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bddebian | We don't enable iptables or anything now do we? | 05:26 |
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ajmitch | bddebian: nope | 05:27 |
ajmitch | bddebian: give a better description than "can't connect" | 05:27 |
bddebian | ajmitch: That's what the error message says :-) | 05:28 |
ajmitch | "the error message" | 05:28 |
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ajmitch | from what program? | 05:28 |
Kamping_Kaiser | bddebian, have you turned on a proxy of some sort? | 05:28 |
bddebian | ajmitch: When apt-getting | 05:28 |
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ajmitch | bddebian: and can any other http-using software access sites? | 05:30 |
bddebian | Hmm, haven't tried wget but it's a server install so I have no gui. I'll try :-) | 05:31 |
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bddebian | ajmitch: The default route is missing/screwed. WHen I try to add it, it says File Exists. So I delete it and add it again and it still isn't there?? | 05:46 |
ajmitch | ok | 05:47 |
bddebian | Any ideas? | 05:47 |
ajmitch | so you've broken something else :) | 05:47 |
ajmitch | like your network driver not loading properly | 05:47 |
bddebian | I can ping IPs though | 05:48 |
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bddebian | ajmitch: Thanks for the love :-) | 05:51 |
ajmitch | no worries | 05:51 |
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Sp4rKy | i've some issue during split packages into 2 debs | 05:57 |
Sp4rKy | the <package-dev> should contains all header files, but doesn't :/ | 05:57 |
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bddebian | Sp4rKy: So fix it :-) | 05:58 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, :p i get help because i don't know how ! | 05:58 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: Is this an existing package or a new package you are making? | 05:59 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, i've audacious-dev.install file, section in debian/control and uncommented dh_install in debian/rules | 05:59 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, a new :) | 05:59 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: paste-bin them | 05:59 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, the rules ? | 06:00 |
bddebian | Rules and .install file | 06:00 |
Sp4rKy | k | 06:00 |
LaserJock | I'm going to fall over dead any second | 06:02 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, http://pastebin.ca/68413 | 06:03 |
bddebian | LaserJock: Why? | 06:03 |
Hobbsee | LaserJock: please dont. the paperwork is inconvenient. | 06:04 |
Hobbsee | night all | 06:04 |
LaserJock | bah, no sleep, weird TZ ans food | 06:07 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, any idea ? | 06:07 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: Your (MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/audacious/usr but then in .install you are looking in /debian/tmp/foo ?? | 06:11 |
Sp4rKy | oups | 06:11 |
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bmonty | ajmitch: can you let me know when you put your project up on the supermirror please? I'd like to help test. | 06:17 |
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ajmitch | bmonty: sure | 06:18 |
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ajmitch | past 4AM :) | 06:18 |
bddebian | Anyone know much about ~/.pbuilderrc | 06:19 |
LaserJock | what about it? | 06:19 |
ajmitch | tha manpage does | 06:19 |
bddebian | /ignore ajmitch | 06:19 |
bmonty | the manpage is fairly decent :) | 06:19 |
bddebian | Oh forget it | 06:20 |
ajmitch | there's really not a lot we can say that it doesn't cover, though | 06:20 |
LaserJock | bddebian: what do you need dude, I'm not like those other grumps ;-) | 06:21 |
bmonty | LaserJock: he is probably reading the manpage and not looking at his IRC client :) | 06:24 |
bddebian | No, I'm "working" :-( | 06:24 |
LaserJock | what?!?! | 06:24 |
ajmitch | oh well | 06:24 |
ajmitch | I can do what I want now, bddebian has seen fit to ignore me :) | 06:24 |
bddebian | LaserJock: Yeah, sometimes RL work gets in my way.. :'-( | 06:25 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Turn about is fair play ;-P | 06:25 |
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bddebian | Gnight honey | 06:25 |
bddebian | LaserJock: I guess I am going to have to set up a few pbuilders :-( | 06:25 |
LaserJock | sure | 06:25 |
LaserJock | you need lots of pbuilders :-) | 06:26 |
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bddebian | Well normally I haven't but since edgy killed archive.bddebian.com I guess I had better start :-) | 06:27 |
LaserJock | I usually have sarge, sid, breezy, and dapper pbuilders | 06:28 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, works, thx :) | 06:32 |
bmonty | LaserJock: how do you keep all your pbuilders seperate? | 06:33 |
LaserJock | I create seperate tarballs | 06:36 |
Sp4rKy | max@Sp4rKy-laptop (18:33) /home/max/audacious/audacious-1.0.0 #lintian ../audacious-dev_1.0.0-1_i386.deb ../audacious_1.0.0-1_i386.deb |wc -l | 06:36 |
Sp4rKy | 115 | 06:36 |
Sp4rKy | ouch | 06:36 |
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bddebian | Sp4rKy: Glad to be of SOME use :-) | 06:39 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, some issue are strange : | 06:40 |
Sp4rKy | E: audacious-dev: non-standard-toplevel-dir debian/ | 06:40 |
Sp4rKy | N: | 06:40 |
Sp4rKy | N: The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard forbids the installation of new | 06:40 |
Sp4rKy | N: files or directories in the root directory, in section 3. | 06:40 |
bmonty | argh...vmware makes my laptop run like a dog :( | 06:40 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: In your .install files, do you have debian/audacity/foo/* foo/ ? | 06:45 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: BTW, do a dpkg-deb -c foo.deb to see the files in the .deb file | 06:46 |
bddebian | Gawd I hate my life some days... | 06:46 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, no i've only debian/audacity/foo/* | 06:47 |
bddebian | Ah. What is the output of dpkg-deb -c ? | 06:48 |
bddebian | Is it installing in /debian/audacity/usr/foo ? | 06:48 |
Sp4rKy | yes | 06:50 |
Yagisan | bddebian: really | 06:51 |
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Yagisan | bddebian: you hate your life ? | 06:51 |
Yagisan | bddebian: I'm sure we can make it worse >:) I'll just dig up some random *sporadic* bug for you | 06:52 |
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Sp4rKy | Yagisan, :) | 06:52 |
Sp4rKy | bddebian, so i must add foo/ at the end of all lines in *.install ? | 06:53 |
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bddebian | Yagisan: Go for it, I probably couldn't fix jack anyway :-( | 06:53 |
Yagisan | bddebian: theres a bug report on jack ? | 06:54 |
bddebian | Sp4rKy: Yeah, so your: 'debian/audacity/usr/bin/*' should be 'debian/audacity/usr/bin/* /usr/bin' | 06:54 |
bddebian | Gah :-) | 06:54 |
bddebian | @ Yagisan ^ | 06:54 |
Sp4rKy | k | 06:54 |
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bddebian | Gnight Yagisan :-) | 06:55 |
bddebian | LaserJock: Still around? | 06:56 |
LaserJock | yeah | 06:56 |
LaserJock | a bit | 06:56 |
bddebian | LaserJock: Just copy /etc/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc or is there some "utility" ? | 06:57 |
LaserJock | that works | 06:57 |
LaserJock | I don't use either | 06:57 |
bddebian | ? | 06:57 |
LaserJock | I use a script | 06:59 |
bddebian | Ah | 06:59 |
bddebian | You used the pbuilder-dist.sh ? | 07:00 |
LaserJock | yes | 07:00 |
LaserJock | I make one for each pbuilder and put it in ~/bin/ | 07:00 |
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raphink | LaserJock: setting multiple pbuilders? | 07:02 |
LaserJock | yeah | 07:02 |
shawarma | What?!? There's already a script like that? | 07:03 |
raphink | LaserJock: did you read the how to on the wiki? | 07:03 |
LaserJock | of course, but it isn't that great ;-) | 07:03 |
raphink | thank you, I wrote it :p | 07:03 |
shawarma | It's bound to be at least as good as mine.. | 07:03 |
LaserJock | I know | 07:03 |
raphink | what's the problem? | 07:03 |
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LaserJock | you don't need any of it | 07:03 |
raphink | shawarma: yes and it's very useful | 07:04 |
shawarma | are we talking about /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ? | 07:04 |
raphink | shawarma: see the PbuilderHowto page | 07:04 |
raphink | yep shawarma | 07:04 |
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shawarma | the header of it says someone else wrote it.. | 07:04 |
jsgotangco | hmm what's with this lag | 07:04 |
raphink | shawarma: I wrote the wiki _doc_ | 07:04 |
raphink | about it | 07:04 |
raphink | ;) | 07:04 |
shawarma | Oh. | 07:04 |
raphink | about multiple pbuilders using this script | 07:05 |
shawarma | Oh.. it looks a bit like mine: http://sirius.linux2go.dk/~sh/pbuilder-scripts/ | 07:06 |
raphink | yes quite shawarma | 07:07 |
raphink | mine is a bit more complete | 07:07 |
raphink | I added a step that copies the files to /var/www and builds a local repo | 07:07 |
raphink | then there's an option to have it rsync the local repo to a server | 07:07 |
raphink | :) | 07:07 |
shawarma | I like the magic I did for the resultdir. That's very comfy when you're building many different packages. | 07:07 |
raphink | so typing pbuilder-dapper build *.dsc | 07:07 |
raphink | builds the package, puts it on my local repo, and updates the distant repo on the internet | 07:07 |
raphink | :) | 07:07 |
shawarma | raphink: Oh, I didn't want that. I test stuff before uploading it anywhere. :-) | 07:08 |
raphink | shawarma: by default I don't rsync it | 07:08 |
raphink | it just rebuilds my local repo | 07:08 |
raphink | on http://localhost/ubuntu | 07:08 |
shawarma | raphink: Oh. Also, I use reprepro for building my repo. | 07:08 |
raphink | so I can test the packages using apt-get directly | 07:09 |
shawarma | oh, right. | 07:09 |
raphink | I should learn that | 07:09 |
shawarma | I have a build server, actually. :-) | 07:09 |
raphink | Idon't know existing solutions for this | 07:09 |
raphink | great :) | 07:09 |
raphink | brb | 07:09 |
bddebian | raphink: What config files need to be in /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/ ? | 07:12 |
raphink | the same as in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper I guess | 07:12 |
bddebian | I only ever had 1 before | 07:13 |
bddebian | Just /var/cache/pbuilder and there are no 'config' files | 07:13 |
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shawarma | bddebian: No, you only place them there if you need specific ones for different distros.. | 07:16 |
shawarma | bddebian: e.g. different sources.list depending on it's updating an edgy or a dapper system. | 07:17 |
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phanatic | hey everyone | 07:32 |
bddebian | Heya phanatic | 07:32 |
phanatic | heya bddebian | 07:32 |
bddebian | Damn I can't create my edgy pbuilder, it has broken packages | 07:33 |
azeem | can't you create a dapper chroot, and then upgrade it to edgy? | 07:34 |
bddebian | Normally yes, but with this script, I'm not sure how I would do that | 07:36 |
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crimsun | bddebian: which script? | 07:48 |
bddebian | crimsun: Hi. This one: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh that I copied to /usr/local/bin/pbuild-edgy | 07:49 |
crimsun | you'll need to use --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse | 07:52 |
crimsun | (with either create or --override-config) | 07:54 |
bddebian | crimsun: Ah, is that what I need .pbuilderrc for ? :-) | 07:57 |
crimsun | well, that's the reason /I/ still use conffiles (besides being a conffile whore) | 07:57 |
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bddebian | crimsun: :-) | 08:01 |
bddebian | crimsun: I still get unmet deps for build-essential and perl5 :-( | 08:01 |
crimsun | I haven't been creating an edgy chroot from scratch; I've been dist-upgrading dapper ones. | 08:02 |
crimsun | argh | 08:13 |
crimsun | -!- Cannot join to channel #launchpad (You have joined to too many channels) | 08:13 |
zul | crimsun: get around much? | 08:14 |
crimsun | heh | 08:16 |
bddebian | heh | 08:18 |
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crimsun | they ain't gonna let you do that in main | 08:19 |
bddebian | They don't want me so no worries | 08:19 |
crimsun | bah | 08:20 |
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bddebian | crimsun: And now I know why they don't want me :-0 | 08:21 |
zul | how come? | 08:21 |
bddebian | crimsun: So using this shell thing how would I do dapper first then upgrade to edgy, any idea? | 08:24 |
crimsun | bddebian: create a dapper pbuilder, then use --override-config --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse | 08:25 |
crimsun | with update | 08:25 |
bddebian | I know that but this script sets the distribution automagically | 08:25 |
crimsun | doesn't matter, othermirror overrides it | 08:26 |
shenki | hi all. a question; when packaging a gnome panel applet, how would you go about working out the deps from a chroot? know of any packages that would be a good example of this? | 08:29 |
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crimsun | shenki: apt-cache showsrc gnome-applets |grep ^Build-Depends |uniq | 08:34 |
imbrandon | gah you know there is like zero documenttation on the web about using distcc transparently with debuild | 08:40 |
shenki | crimsun: um... what's that showing me? wouldn't that be a good list for if i was packaging gnome-panel? | 08:40 |
shenki | (sorry, firstly; thanks for the response) | 08:40 |
_ion | imbrandon: add to ~/.devscripts: DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS="PATH,CCACHE_DIR" | 08:41 |
_ion | imbrandon: That's pretty much it. | 08:41 |
imbrandon | nice _ion thanks i've been searching for hours | 08:41 |
imbrandon | on google | 08:41 |
_ion | Oh, i misread. Well, it's probably pretty much similar with distcc. | 08:41 |
imbrandon | ahh ccache | 08:41 |
imbrandon | yea | 08:41 |
imbrandon | i just / did ln -s /usr/bin/ccache /usr/bin/gcc etc for that ;) | 08:42 |
crimsun | shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no? | 08:42 |
_ion | imbrandon: Eww. :-) | 08:42 |
imbrandon | _ion, as long as its in the path before the real gcc its ok ;) | 08:43 |
imbrandon | heh | 08:43 |
imbrandon | but yea i can use the preserv envi vars with like cc=distcc and makeflags"-j12" etc to make distcc work | 08:44 |
imbrandon | i think | 08:44 |
imbrandon | dunno will have to mess with it i guess ;) | 08:44 |
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shenki | hmm, had a power-out, I believe someone said something to me just as I went offline | 08:46 |
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imbrandon | [13:42] <crimsun> shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no? | 08:47 |
imbrandon | [13:42] <_ion> imbrandon: Eww. :-) | 08:47 |
imbrandon | [13:42] <-- shenki has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). | 08:47 |
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shenki | thanks imbrandon | 08:47 |
bddebian | crimsun: In case I haven't told you lately, I love you man.. ;-) | 08:47 |
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shenki | crimsun: yeah, I figured having a package to learn off would be handy... you're suggesting use gnome-panel itself? | 08:48 |
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crimsun | shenki: err, the source for gnome-applets last I checked isn't gnome-panel... | 08:49 |
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crimsun | shenki: perhaps I'm giving you an overkill suggestion. | 08:50 |
shenki | oh...opps... what did I type in before... | 08:50 |
crimsun | shenki: are you looking for b-d for an actual panel applet or just for the notification area? | 08:51 |
shenki | crimsun: oh, yeah, i see were you were pointing me... i think it's a bit of overkill | 08:51 |
shenki | um... | 08:51 |
shenki | an actual applet | 08:51 |
shenki | source of program i'm trying to package - http://www.users.on.net/%7Espohlenz/internode/internode-applet-1.5.tar.gz | 08:52 |
crimsun | ok, then you'll want to start with libpanel-applet2-dev | 08:53 |
crimsun | take a look at network-manager-gnome's b-ds | 08:53 |
shenki | it's a pygtk applet | 08:53 |
shenki | okay, thanks | 08:53 |
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bddebian | crimsun: OK, so even with: sudo pbuild-edgy update --distribution edgy --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse --override-config | 08:57 |
bddebian | it keeps using dapper in the apt lines?? | 08:57 |
crimsun | bddebian: it's not using your --othermirror parameters at all? | 08:58 |
crimsun | (you shouldn't have to pass --distribution edgy at all) | 08:58 |
crimsun | (that's culled from the script) | 08:59 |
bddebian | I know, I was just trying anything/everything :-) | 08:59 |
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trees123 | hello | 09:11 |
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bddebian | Hello trees123 | 09:14 |
trees123 | Hello <bddebian | 09:15 |
bddebian | OK I am learning to hate pbuilder :-) | 09:16 |
crimsun | learn the dark side of sbuild ;) | 09:17 |
trees123 | :) | 09:17 |
bddebian | Apparently I am unable to 'learn' anything :-( | 09:19 |
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TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 09:33 |
imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 09:33 |
imbrandon | ouch not good | 09:34 |
imbrandon | anyone else getting this on an apt-get update ? | 09:34 |
imbrandon | Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden [IP: 146.137.96.7 80] | 09:34 |
imbrandon | or is it just me | 09:34 |
crimsun | s/us.// | 09:35 |
imbrandon | much better , dunno why i dident just do that myself | 09:36 |
imbrandon | lol | 09:36 |
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imbrandon | bah i dont think this is ever gonna work | 10:18 |
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rob | when a new upstream source is released, does the ubuntu version number "reset", eg I package version 0.5 then upstream releases 0.5.1, when I package 0.5.1 does the version still equal 0ubuntu1? | 10:25 |
crimsun | rob: depends whether 0.5.1 is in Debian | 10:28 |
crimsun | (it always depends what's in Debian) | 10:28 |
rob | nope | 10:28 |
rob | (its not) | 10:28 |
crimsun | then yes, the package version becomes -0ubuntu1 [again] | 10:29 |
rob | ok, thanks crimsun :) | 10:29 |
crimsun | np | 10:29 |
rob | is there a way to pass options to the configure script when using cdbs? | 10:29 |
imbrandon | 2.6.0-1 - means that this is the 1st debian package of version 2.6.0. No ubuntu changes were included. | 10:30 |
imbrandon | 2.6.0-1ubuntu1 - means that this is the 1st ubuntu package based on the debian package version 2.6.0-1 | 10:30 |
imbrandon | 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 - means that there was not a debian package yet and this is the 1st ubuntu version of package 2.6.0 | 10:30 |
_ion | rob: DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS | 10:30 |
rob | _ion, thanks :) | 10:31 |
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imbrandon | crimsun, will apt see -0imbrandon0.1 as smaller than -0ubuntu0.1 AND -0ubuntu0.1 ( yes have a specific reason why ) | 10:34 |
crimsun | yes | 10:34 |
imbrandon | err AND -0ubuntu1 | 10:34 |
crimsun | i < u | 10:34 |
crimsun | thus 0i < 0u | 10:35 |
crimsun | imbrandon: use dpkg --compare-versions | 10:35 |
imbrandon | ok good i got to thinking about it , if/when they hit kubuntu.org they will be -0ubuntu0.1 and propper -0ubuntu1 , so i can safely call them -0imbrandon0.1 -0imbrandon0.2 etc correct , kk will do dident know about that | 10:36 |
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jrattner1 | QUESTION: Any chance of seeing GNUsTicker added to the repositories? | 10:55 |
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