[03:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:12] <tseng> hi
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi tseng
[03:13] <bddebian> tseng: So when the hell am I buying you dinner anyway? :-)
[03:14] <tseng> i just ate
[03:14] <tseng> on friday i am leaving
[03:15] <tseng> unless you want to meet me at the airport
[03:15] <bddebian> Gah
[03:15] <bddebian> Thursday night I have to head back to Jersey to pick up my family
[03:33] <bddebian> Man, it's quiet in here
[03:57] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Evenin to ya Hobbsee
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind :)
[03:58] <Hawkwind> How is ya
[04:00] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, i've just gotten up, pretty much, and thinking about what i'll do today
[04:00] <bddebian> Bugfixing, what else is there? :-)
[04:00] <Hawkwind> I've been up for 11 hours and I'm still wondering what I'll do today too :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: isnt it a bit hard to bug fix from in a chroot?
[04:01] <bddebian> Nah
[04:01] <bddebian> Just guess ;-)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:38] <Hobbsee> if we've got a package in debian experimental that we want brought to ubuntu, do we have some sort of special sync, or what?
[05:39] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You mean a current package, or you want to sync one from Experimental?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/gnash
[05:39] <Hobbsee> bddebian: the latter - it's being asked about in #ubuntu
[05:40] <bddebian> Have them request a sync/merge from Experimental
[05:40] <ajmitch> afternoon Hobbsee, bddebian
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya Andrew, what's new?
[05:45] <ajmitch> nothing
[05:45] <ajmitch> my life is not exciting enough for new stuff :)
[05:48] <bddebian> Well join the club :-)
[05:51] <crimsun> 'lo *
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:51] <crimsun> 1280x1024 is really nice :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> hey crimsun
[05:53] <crimsun> yeah well, some of our laptops can't output that ;)
[05:53] <ajmitch> my laptop only has a 1280x800 screen :)
[05:53] <crimsun> only 1024x768 here :/
[05:54] <crimsun> 915resolution is quite nice, tho'
[05:54] <ajmitch> yep
[06:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: did you steal my brain?
[06:04] <crimsun> I ... hope not?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm...right.  where's it gone then?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!  how dare you!
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[06:08] <Hobbsee> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you assume too much
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> morning MOTU world
[06:10] <ajmitch> well then
[06:11] <ajmitch> it proves you don't need a brain for IRC
[06:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:11] <Hobbsee> true
[06:13] <Hobbsee> didnt we already know that though, with idiots who get bored, and so start spamming to get kicked, instead of just leaving?
[06:14] <ajmitch> yes
[06:23] <pschulz01> I'm building a package that just contains files (no building required).. but the $DESTDIR variable isn't being pased to my toplevel make..  amyone got any ideas?
[06:24] <pschulz01> 'debian' directory has been recently created with 'dh_make'.
[06:26] <Gloubiboulga> you can patch the Makefile to make it use $(DESTDIR)
[06:26] <pschulz01> I constructed it mysefl.. only one Make target .. 'install'
[06:26] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: If I put 'echo $(DESTDIR)' - nothing get's echoed.
[06:27] <Gloubiboulga> ah ok, could you paste your Makefile and your debian/rules on pastebin?
[06:27] <crimsun> if you're not setting $DESTDIR, then it won't be non-empty...
[06:28] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: and yet debian/rules has the correct line - '$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/<package>'
[06:28] <pschulz01> Gloubiboulga: So I don't know whats wrong here.
[06:28] <bddebian> crimsun: Isn't that a double-negative? ;-P
[06:28] <crimsun> as Gauvain mentioned, did you patch the Makefile{,s}?
[06:29] <pschulz01> crimsun: Ahh.. I think I found the problem :-)
[06:30] <pschulz01> Home spum make file.. onle on target.. it's the first one that gets run.. by just 'make' (compile step).. even before it get;s to the 'install' step.
[06:30] <pschulz01> only one target.
[06:31] <pschulz01> So DESTDIR is not set :-)
[06:32] <pschulz01> Works now :-)
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> cool :)
[06:53] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:46] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hey Sp4rKy
[07:46] <Hobbsee> althouhg i'm not a MOTU
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> :p
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> hey Hobbsee
[07:47] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, when will you apply for MOTUness?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: never.
[07:47] <Gloubiboulga> really?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> no, i've got no idea
[07:47] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> i'll go to work :( , 'later
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> see you Sp4rKy
[07:48] <Sp4rKy> :)
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> I'm leaving too to join the members of the Ubuntu sect ;)
[08:05] <dsas> I can see that building a package doesn't need several things that it's setup.py checks for, but needs them at run-time. Should I stop setup.py checking for them? Or just list them as build-depends?
[08:08] <crimsun> well if you're using setup.py in debian/rules, then either you'll have to include them in debian/control:Build-Depends, or you'll have to reimplement some of setup.py's functionality (or hack it to remove them) in a separate script, ...
[08:09] <dsas> crimsun: It's easiest for me to include them in Build-Depends I guess. I just wasn't sure if that was correct enough.
[08:10] <crimsun> if the packages truly aren't needed to generate the deb{,s}, then they should be debian/control:Depends, and you should edit setup.py or not use it at all
[08:11] <dsas> crimsun: ok.
[08:35] <lucas> hi
[08:35] <lucas> could somebody install gnuplot on tiber.tauware.de ?
[08:42] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[08:55] <sladen> morning TheMuso
[09:03] <siretart> lucas: done
[09:03] <lucas> thanks
[09:03] <Hobbsee> evening siretart
[09:03] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee
[09:33] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:33] <dholbach> heya ajmitch
[09:34] <ajmitch> schedule up for today yet?
[09:34] <nixternal> dholbach: you guys going over the "Drinking from the firehose" spec yet?
[09:34] <dholbach> nixternal: just starting it
[09:35] <nixternal> you going to be on ts or gobby at all with it?
[09:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: Oak?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heya, was another nick i used for a while
[09:35] <ajmitch> right...
[09:35] <nixternal> lol
[09:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: see k-devel if you really want to know
[09:35] <lucas> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png
[09:35] <lucas> (data is wrong, but you get the idea)
[09:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I probably don't...
[09:36] <Hobbsee> heh, it's really not that bad...
[09:37] <ajmitch> still strange
[09:37] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[09:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and i was testign out something where i needed a different hostmask.  and since most nicks of mine are registered, i didnt have much choice
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[09:38] <\sh> re
[09:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I look at the channels I'm in where you're most likely to cause trouble
[09:38] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're not in one of them :P
[09:38] <ajmitch> only one? that's a surprise
[09:45] <\sh> were anyone attending the TB meeting?
[09:46] <ajmitch> there was no TB meeting that I know of
[09:47] <\sh> tuesday 20th, 2000 UTC :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> yes, and it didn't go ahead
[09:47] <\sh> ah ok
[09:47] <ajmitch> you were there then
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: just before official start...but with a b0rke umts network connection....and I asked mjg59 to discuss my request...and they should give me feedback via irc or mail..
[09:49] <\sh> in the moment it's really hard for me, to attend meetings in the evening...
[09:49] <ajmitch> yeah, it would be
[09:54] <ajmitch> morning jsgotangco
[09:55] <jsgotangco> good morning
[10:01] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:01] <Hobbsee> morning Toadstool
[10:01] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[10:08] <raphink> hi Hobbsee, Toadstool, ajmitch, jsgotangco, \h
[10:08] <raphink> \sh
[10:08] <raphink> this is hard to type
[10:08] <ajmitch> hey raphink :)
[10:08] <Toadstool> hi raphink
[10:08] <jsgotangco> raphink: hi!
[10:08] <raphink> :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi raphink :)
[10:09] <Hobbsee> raphink: fix the universe
[10:09] <ajmitch> break edgy?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> that too
[10:09] <Hobbsee> break dapper :P
[10:09] <raphink> break edgy I can do :)
[10:09] <raphink> let's see what I can do to this 2.6.17 kernel
[10:09] <raphink> how could I bork it
[10:10] <Hobbsee> raphink: do the restricted modules?
[10:11] <raphink> I don't want to be killed by Ben
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:36] <cymcy> hello #ubuntu-motu
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi cymcy
[10:37] <cymcy> hi does anyone know what is the status of lirc in dapper ?
[10:37] <raphink> hi cymcy
[10:37] <Toadstool> hi cymcy
[10:37] <raphink> cymcy: frozen
[10:37] <raphink> as everything else in dapper
[10:37] <cymcy> so how do it working ?
[10:40] <cymcy> I go under a lot of site, under https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/45703, under the #5443, so it looks like it don't work under dapper. I try to compile the lirc-module package.
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45703 in lirc "Unable to use modules in dapper" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:44] <cymcy> yes. with make-kpkg there is no /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf so unable to continue. I try with snapshot of lirc (0.7.3pre1 and 0.8.0) but there is lot of errors (undefined symbols)
[10:49] <cymcy> I followed this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToLirc. I will try other things
[11:12] <LaserJock> hi MOTUs
[11:12] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> hey LaserJock
[11:12] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee and Gloubiboulga
[11:13] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock, Gloubiboulga
[11:13] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock.
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> I've just read the updated easier-MOTUing wiki page, it rocks :)
[11:13] <LaserJock> yes
[11:13] <Gloubiboulga> hey ajmitch, TheMuso
[11:13] <LaserJock> dholbach wrote quite a bit yesterday
[11:14] <ajmitch> I guessed he would
[11:14] <Hobbsee> link, bitte?
[11:14] <ajmitch> I wonder if I should be a mentor or not
[11:14] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing
[11:14] <LaserJock> yes
[11:14] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga and LaserJock
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you should
[11:14] <Hobbsee> danke
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing
[11:14] <LaserJock> hi Toadstool
[11:14] <ajmitch> I'm not exactly mentor material
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> oops, too late
[11:14] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[11:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think as many of us as possible should chip in so a few don't get swamped
[11:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I don't want to scare too many away
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Shy contributors will have the possibility to mail volunteering MOTUs and developers who will help them until they're ready to communicate via mailing lists and irc channels. <-- hah, i like that - "shy contributors" just like myself :P
[11:15] <LaserJock> bah, send them to me then ;-)
[11:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we haven't scared you off yet, for some reason
[11:16] <LaserJock> exactly
[11:16] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga && LaserJock
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink!!!
[11:16] <ajmitch> you spend enough time here to not be shy :P
[11:16] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, there's only specific ways to do that
[11:16] <LaserJock> I went to paris raphink!
[11:16] <raphink> great Laser :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: er...that depends on who i'm talking to.
[11:16] <raphink> how was it?
[11:16] <LaserJock> raphink: ok, lots of people, but it was really an amazing place
[11:16] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, names, please ;)
[11:17] <LaserJock> good girl
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: the big and scary "core dev" people that yell if people get things wrong.
[11:17] <raphink> wish I could shw you around
[11:17] <LaserJock> raphink: me too, but I went with a few others so I was ok
[11:17] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, ok I see :)
[11:17] <jsgotangco> raphink: are you here?
[11:17] <raphink> cool
[11:17] <raphink> jsgotangco: I'm in Nice
[11:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: they aren't as scary in person ;-)
[11:17] <raphink> :(
[11:17] <jsgotangco> is that far?
[11:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they're quite interesting in person :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: they probably arent big and scary, but they are to me - i was terrified of ajmitch for a while.
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: about 900km
[11:18] <Gloubiboulga> Do you guys in Paris go to the "fte de la musique" this evening?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> doh!
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:18] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: good idea
[11:18] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yes, Nice is quite a long way from paris :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: me too
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: like try to imagine the furthest you can go from paris in metropolitan france
[11:18] <raphink> jsgotangco: and you get there
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:18] <jsgotangco> raphink: we're like 40min away from the eiffel tower by train and that's far
[11:18] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I wanted his reviews though because if it passes the ajmitch test then it is probably good enough for Debian/Ubuntu
[11:19] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, actually it was the same for me, but seeing them in real life for 3 days now, I can tell you, they are cool and nice guys, really
[11:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha.  he must be very scary then :P
[11:19] <raphink> jsgotangco: I'm 1 hour away from Paris by plane, not that far ;)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: right, i'll take your word for it
[11:19] <Hobbsee> hi ogra
[11:19] <ajmitch> this is why I shouldn't be a mentor
[11:19] <jsgotangco> maybe its a good idea to escape this jail tonight
[11:19] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: just make sure to scratch him behind the ear and he'll be a happy eft and do your bidding. :-P
[11:20] <raphink> anyway, anybody who wants to enjoy the coast is welcome here ;)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe right
[11:21] <ogra> Hobbsee, you never met me in RL :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ogra: true, i've never met *any* of you in RL
[11:22] <ogra> ;)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ogra: but you dont seem too scary over IRC
[11:22] <LaserJock> as long as ogra has his pants on he's not too scary ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> HAHA
[11:22] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[11:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: TMI
[11:22] <LaserJock> lol
[11:23] <LaserJock> apparently it was a very hot drive from Germany, that's all I'm saying
[11:23] <ogra> *g*
[11:23] <ajmitch> heh
[11:23] <ajmitch> don't scare me like that
[11:23] <jsgotangco> well
[11:23] <ajmitch> we have ladies present here.. :)
[11:23] <jsgotangco> that's how the typical european dresses when they're in asia though
[11:28] <LaserJock> but you aren't all that far away
[11:28] <LaserJock> and I'm sure it won't scare you too badly
[11:29] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: as long as ogra doesn't reach anything on the floor with those trousers on
[11:29] <LaserJock> lol
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: actually, the real one that scares me is mdz - i dont think the rest are too bad.
[11:30] <LaserJock> heh
[11:31] <LaserJock> I find him to be one of the friendliest, in person and online
[11:31] <Gloubiboulga> I agree with LaserJock
[11:32] <LaserJock> elmo is the one that I've always had a hard time feeling comfortable with
[11:32] <LaserJock> he is great
[11:32] <Hobbsee> havent even been near him
[11:32] <LaserJock> but extremely busy
[11:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you really see another side of people when you meet them in person
[11:32] <Hobbsee> yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side?
[11:32] <LaserJock> except elmo is about exactly what I though he would be
[11:33] <LaserJock> I still have a very hard time asking him questions
[11:33] <LaserJock> it's not that he is particularlly unfriendly
[11:33] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:33] <TheMuso> It is certainly one thing to talk to people online, but it is another thing to meet them in person.
[11:33] <jsgotangco> he's a really nice guy
[11:33] <LaserJock> but I always feel like I about to say something increadibly dumb
[11:34] <Hobbsee> yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side?
[11:34] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: he's been very tired the past few days
[11:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I can imagine, that is my problem with him
[11:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: he is always so busy that I really really hate bothering him
[11:35] <LaserJock> but I did ask about team speak and he was very nice and helpful
[11:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: dont worry - i'm usually teh one that says the dumb things, and i never seem to get laughed at too badly.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> although that relates more to anyone, not just elmo
[11:40] <LaserJock> heh, well I'm really feeling quite stupid at this meeting, but I'll survive
[11:41] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'm told, and i would think it applies here too "you'll learn"
[11:42] <LaserJock> heh, maybe eventually
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'm just not a hacker
[11:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you think i am?
[11:44] <LaserJock> more than me
[11:44] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: have you ever taken a computer science class?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: first semester of a c++ class, yes
[11:45] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you're already doing better than me then ;-)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> but transferring what i've learned there to how it actually works in regards to the real world, etc...that's a challenge that i havent even tried to work out yet.
[11:45] <LaserJock> heh
[11:46] <LaserJock> my problem is that I don't know how anything works in a low-level way
[11:46] <Hobbsee> define "low-level"?
[11:46] <LaserJock> like I use the tool, I don't know how the tool does it's job
[11:46] <LaserJock> Ubuntu "Just Works"
[11:46] <TheMuso> Nobody is dumb guys. Everybody is smart in their own special way and the area that they are most interested in and follow the most.
[11:46] <TheMuso> c
[11:47] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, I'm special all right ;-)
[11:47] <kelmo> sometimes that is an advantage, to know how it works but not get tangled up in the why
[11:47] <TheMuso> LaserJock: You should feel special. You were granted sponsorship to attend this summit.
[11:48] <LaserJock> bah, that's because they didn't really know ;-)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, we're just special at disrupting people
[11:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:48] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:48] <Hobbsee> ah okay, yeah
[11:48] <TheMuso> Nah seriously guys.
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, Hobbsee, seriously
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: hmmm?
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, you're part of the Kubuntu council, right?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yes
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and others wanted me there.
[11:49] <LaserJock> really, I honestly don't fit in in Linux development, I can doc and organize, but ...
[11:49] <Gloubiboulga> and LaserJock is a MOTU and get sponsored, I think you guys rock, that's it
[11:49] <LaserJock> lol
[11:50] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you got sponsored too, so you rock. in fact this whole channel rocks
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: should we just say okay, and pretend that we believe you?  :P
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I dindn't get sponsored actually, I live next to Paris :)
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, yes please ;)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: right :P
[11:50] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: yes, and?  I can program, but I can't document my way out of a brown paper bag.
[11:51] <Hobbsee> bleck, documentation
[11:51] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: so where's this fete happening...
[11:51] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: well, documentation is made difficult when you don't understand the material
[11:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: anyway, you wrote/fixed the packaging guide - that in itself is great.
[11:51] <LaserJock> bah
[11:51] <Hobbsee> and a help to others.
[11:51] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: I can explain it to somebody who can write the docs, but I'm utterly unable to write the docs myself.
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> jsgotangco, everywhere
[11:51] <TheMuso> ...and I understand a lot about various bits o infrastructure to do with accessibility. I can read a bit of code, but I am certainly not a proficient programmer as yet.
[11:52] <jsgotangco> Gloubiboulga: whole of paris?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, you sounded rather like bddebian
[11:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: he is my hero ;-)
[11:52] <dsas> :p
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:52] <TheMuso> But I am not really a doc writer either, but can try. It takes me a while to get things right. :)
[11:52] <LaserJock> wha??
[11:52] <Gloubiboulga> jsgotangco, yep, just walk around in Paris and you'll here music and see musicians :)
[11:52] <TheMuso> I still assume too much about what I am writing about. :)
[11:52] <jsgotangco> interesting
[11:53] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, that is easy to do, that's why outside review is important
[11:53] <Gloubiboulga> s/here/hear
[11:53] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Damn right.
[11:53] <TheMuso> I am finding that with one of my specs.
[11:54] <LaserJock> TheMuso: man, you type fast, all I hear is your keyboard clicking sooo fast
[11:55] <TheMuso> heh
[11:55] <LaserJock> mine is like plunk .... plunk ... plunk
[11:56] <TheMuso> heh
[11:56] <TheMuso> I must say that I really do like this keyboard.
[11:56] <Mithrandir> my x40's keyboard is _so_ much nicer after I got a new one.
[11:56] <jsgotangco> touchtypists rule
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[11:57] <LaserJock> it takes me long enough to think of what to type that I've never needed to type all that fast
[11:57] <LaserJock> other than CC and TB meetings ;-)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hah - but cant you pretype a lot of that?
[11:58] <LaserJock> yep ;-)
[11:58] <LaserJock> thank goodness
[11:58] <TheMuso> I think working with speech synthesis at a fast rate has caused my brain to speed up its thought process.
[11:58] <LaserJock> core-dev is harder to do that with though, I'd have to practice beforehand but doubt I'll ever do that so ...
[11:59] <TheMuso> But could be wrong.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> was useful then, not so useful now.  they need to speed up again.
[12:00] <LaserJock> don't break it completely
[12:00] <TheMuso> StevenK: I don't think your mother will lke that.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> argh!  i'm jumped on
[12:00] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: drink lots of coffee.  That'll teach your brain about slowing down.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah.  cant stand the stuff.  and coke doesn tseem that effective - only good for calming me down a bit.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: espresso shots are nice, they seem to make decent-ish coffee here.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> I usually don't drink it either.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Thats why I would rather get a good night sleep than consume copious amounts of caffeen at the start of each day.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...
[12:02] <LaserJock> I don't do either
[12:02] <TheMuso> I don't mind tea during winter.
[12:02] <LaserJock> I went to bed at 3:00am last night and never drink coffee
[12:03] <StevenK> I usually drink Coke at work.
[12:03] <LaserJock> Diet Pepsi for me unfortunately
[12:03] <StevenK> Eww
[12:03] <Hobbsee> ewwwwww!!!
[12:03] <Hobbsee> LaserJock you're insane!!!!
[12:04] <LaserJock> my teeth can't handle the real stuff anymore
[12:04] <Hobbsee> diet pepsi isnt worth drinking!
[12:04] <StevenK> If you were a real drinker you wouldn't have teeth.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:04] <LaserJock> StevenK: right, I've already had to have 2 crowns
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ive tasted ginger beer i didnt like it
[12:04] <LaserJock> it's expensive
[12:05] <LaserJock> the dental work I mean
[12:05] <StevenK> Any dental work is expensive.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was supposed to go back there...
[12:05] <TheMuso> Dental work is expensive if it is reactive treatment, not preventative.
[12:06] <TheMuso> Preventative is not soo bad.
[12:06] <StevenK> Last time I went, I was charged $110 to have the dentist look at my teeth and clean them.
[12:06] <StevenK> "Cheap" is a relative term.
[12:07] <LaserJock> I paid $1200 USD for my last visit :(
[12:07] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[12:07] <LaserJock> yeah, just because of soda and popcorn, grrr
[12:08] <TheMuso> :)
[12:08] <TheMuso> Maybe not quite that much.
[12:08] <TheMuso> But water is good.
[12:08] <TheMuso> I don't like that gassy water however. Totally ruins the taste of water.
[12:09] <LaserJock> I can't find much water
[12:09] <TheMuso> I am pretty sure it is on every table, and has been at meal times as well.
[12:10] <TheMuso> or do you just prefer not to find it? :)
[12:10] <LaserJock> but there isn't very much of it
[12:10] <Hobbsee> darn.  i left my waterbottle at work on monday night.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> oh well
[12:11] <ajmitch> water bottles are replacable
[12:11] <Hobbsee> true
[12:13] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hah.  what are you downloading?  and where is this?
[12:13] <ajmitch> go ahead...
[12:13] <LaserJock> water is soo expensive here though
[12:13] <ajmitch> StevenK: on dialup?
[12:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: A song from my work machine.
[12:14] <StevenK> ajmitch: Close. 256/64 DSL
[12:14] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[12:14] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[12:15] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: try hoarding the bottles in this room now
[12:15] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[12:15] <ajmitch> hello imbrandon
[12:15] <TheMuso> hey imbrandon.
[12:15] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[12:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ping
[12:15] <LaserJock> well, actually I'm having more problems trying to find clean glasses
[12:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pong
[12:15] <TheMuso> LaserJock: heh its getting that way isn't it.
[12:15] <LaserJock> and the evian tates funny
[12:15] <TheMuso> They do get replaced every morning however.
[12:16] <StevenK> Evian tasting funny is a feature.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: drink it from teh jug?
[12:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i dident think about libvisual0.4-plugins , i'm building now and adding to my repo
[12:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool.  i got it mostly working, but it looked weird on my machine.
[12:16] <rob> to actually log into revu, how does one obtain a login/password?
[12:16] <imbrandon> heheh well i dont use visualisations so i dident notice
[12:16] <Hobbsee> rob: send your key to the keyring thingo, then they'll give you one
[12:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: really?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i  didnt either, except to check them out
[12:17] <rob> Hobbsee, I've been added
[12:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: really to what?
[12:17] <imbrandon> rob, once you upload the first time , you can use the "retreive password" from REVU
[12:17] <LaserJock> rob: you upload first and then use the email you used in the upload
[12:17] <Hobbsee> bah, beaten.
[12:17] <LaserJock> haha
[12:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> rob: right next to the login box
[12:19] <rob> clicking on recover when entering nothing tries to download a .py file in konqueror?
[12:19] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=<fill in emial here>
[12:19] <imbrandon> rob ^^
[12:21] <rob> the motu-reviewers list info page is broken too
[12:21] <rob> well, maybe not too
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:22] <ajmitch> sure you are..
[12:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch , mind looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2384 so i can get it uploaded to edgy , dosent require x or anything so it should be ok to upload now ( btw crimsun looked at it to already but he still needs to advocate it so i can get my 2 motu reviews )
[12:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch cuz i talk to you once in a bit ;)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because they want to get told off by you
[12:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ajmitch is a nasty reviewer
[12:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock is a better reviewer :)
[12:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, he's already reviewd that before just dident advocate it so it can be uploaded ;)
[12:23] <LaserJock> he gets asked becuase ajmitch is a good reviewer and he makes the mistake of talking in the channel
[12:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:23] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:24] <LaserJock> lol
[12:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you've seen how many lintian warnings there are?
[12:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you need the crimsun lurking technique down better
[12:24] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Aww, why not?
[12:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I agree
[12:24] <LaserJock> Hobbsee really *must* become a MOTU
[12:25] <rob> ooh someone finally looked at my package today :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> I agree
[12:25] <ajmitch> then Hobbsee can do all our reviewing
[12:25] <ajmitch> & uploads
[12:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch yea i seen them but crimsun said they would be fine for universe since upstream sucks, guess i could go fix them all ;)
[12:25] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, true
[12:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: so i cant get asked to review things, of course.
[12:26] <Toadstool> re
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what's the second last lintian error mean?
[12:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ahh, the grand tradition of encouraging unsuspecting new people into doing all our work ;-)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh, why?
[12:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, the NMU one ?
[12:26] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: we need a MOTU calendar girl
[12:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'd have to look at it again..
[12:26] <imbrandon> better run FAST
[12:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes
[12:27] <Gloubiboulga> do we already have a girl in the MOTU team?
[12:27] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you need to clean up stuff in debian/rules too
[12:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch she means : apt-mirror source: changelog-should-mention-nmu : idk either
[12:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch ok
[12:27] <ajmitch> eg, why do you use dh_installexamples ?
[12:27] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: seriously, we can always use more help and you are good at what you do
[12:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch i just packaged upstream , i can redo it though no biggie
[12:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i think you'd better run *very* fast!
[12:28] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: the fact that you are a woman *does* help encourage other women into development
[12:28] <LaserJock> but I'm more interested in your atitude towards teamwork and your helpfullness
[12:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 'just packaging upstream' usually isn't good enough for us :)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: stop digging your hole :P
[12:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:29] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: bah, I'm married, I'm good at it
[12:29] <Hobbsee> actually, perhaps you'd be better to go hide in the doghouse for a week, or something.
[12:30] <imbrandon> lol
[12:30] <LaserJock> if you haven't figured out by now that I was very much kidding and playing around then ... ;-)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, i figured :P
[12:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you can't use that excuse, you've already shown some photos
[12:30] <LaserJock> I even considered being an ubuntu-women mentor
[12:31] <LaserJock> but I probably lack the skills for that
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: excuse?  what excuse?  on second thoughts, i'm not going there.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you could mentor anyone, no matter what their gender, i would think
[12:31] <LaserJock> I think so
[12:32] <LaserJock> my wife is a social scientist very keen on gender issues so I get a lot of this stuff at home already :-)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, so you get lots of practice at digging holes?
[12:32] <LaserJock> yes, very much so
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:33] <Hobbsee> dinner
[12:33] <ajmitch> goodbye, Hobbsee
[12:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sometimes I ask her "what's for dinner?" just to tease her ;-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: FYI, i'm the kind of girl who will take almost all comments like yours above as a joke, unless they're really offensive.  and i might just comment back
[12:34] <Hobbsee> too bony :P
[12:34] <LaserJock> uggh
[12:34] <LaserJock> can't have that
[12:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I figured I could get away with it with you, otherwise I wouldn't have said it ;-)
[12:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: but you need some good male jokes (there are lots to chose from) to come back with ;-)
[12:35] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: she could just kick you in the groin instead. :-P
[12:37] <LaserJock> lol
[12:37] <LaserJock> only if she was here, which she isn't so there
[12:38] <jsgotangco> she must be pissed of you going to paris with la tour eiffel and all...
[12:39] <ajmitch> heh
[12:40] <LaserJock> yeah, I thought it was bigger
[12:40] <LaserJock> I've got some great video/sound of highvoltage saying some things about eiffel
[12:41] <LaserJock> I'll have to blog it later ;-)
[12:44] <cymcy> hello #ubuntu-motu
[12:45] <LaserJock> hm, that was sort of short
[12:46] <ajmitch> it was rather
[12:46] <Gloubiboulga> we're lucky his sentence didn't end with '?', thinking about the log parsing we've discussed yesterday :)
[12:47] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:48] <LaserJock> I don't really think log parsing would be very effective for this channel
[12:49] <Gloubiboulga> I agree
[12:49] <ajmitch> far too random
[12:51] <LaserJock> but I think we can get an idea of FAQs just from our own experiences
[01:00] <Tonio_> hi
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: one day i just might :P
[01:46] <\sh> siretart: ping
[02:14] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: be sure to save an mpeg or jpeg for those of us not present.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha :P
[02:14] <Hobbsee> of me being violent, yes
[02:14] <Mithrandir> or at least a .ogg
[02:15] <Hobbsee> haha right
[02:15] <LaserJock_> yes, we need open source ;-)
[02:15] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: don't encourage her, please
[02:15] <LaserJock_> hmm, why are there so many of me?
[02:15] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you should be at a safe distance.
[02:16] <ajmitch> that's the problem
[02:16] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: you would _like_ to not be?
[02:16] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: no, that I'm going over to australia next week
[02:17] <ajmitch> and so the opportunities for violence increase immensely
[02:17] <Mithrandir> well, walk nicely there, then.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you'll be fine :)
[02:27] <zul> ajmitch: heh..a dingo ate my baby
[02:29] <ajmitch> heh
[02:40] <\sh> hmmm..no kudzu package for dapper?
[02:56] <Kyral> Morning
[02:57] <Hobbsee> morning Kyral
[02:58] <Laser_away> hi Kyral
[03:00] <truz_`24> If one wanted to download the latest kernel from kernel.org, they would need to build a kernel image, restricted modules package, and a linux-headers package right?
[03:08] <shawarma> truz_`24: Not if you just wanted to download it.. :-)
[03:09] <truz_`24> :-)
[03:09] <truz_`24> I guess I should have said download and install.
[03:09] <shawarma> truz_`24: Do you need any of the things in linux-restricted-modules?
[03:09] <truz_`24> fglrx
[03:10] <shawarma> Well.. Ubuntu can run just fine without the packaged kernels.
[03:10] <truz_`24> Well, i figured if you packaged it, it would be easier to remove
[03:10] <shawarma> Fetch the kernel, compile it, fetch the fglrx source from ati, reboot, compile fglrx, install it, reboot and you're done.
[03:10] <shawarma> truz_`24: Oh, yes.
[03:12] <kelmo> well, kernel-package is a nice tool
[03:13] <truz_`24> I'm surprised there aren't already bleeding edge packages of the "latest stable kernel"
[03:14] <zul> in edgy there is, but i wuldnt run edgy yet
[03:14] <ajmitch> unless you like the taste of blood
[03:14] <truz_`24> Which leads me to ask, what goes into making the decision of what kernel dapper runs? and when it gets upgraded.
[03:14] <zul> like ajmitch does
[03:14] <ajmitch> mmmm
[03:14] <truz_`24> why is it 2.6.15-25
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mmm...tasty blood...
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you are worrying
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:15] <zul> truz_`24: dapper only get security updates and small little fixes
[03:16] <shawarma> truz_`24: You're talking about the -25 ?
[03:17] <truz_`24> that and the -15
[03:17] <truz_`24> .15 i mean
[03:19] <shawarma> truz_`24: Err.. then I don't understand the question.
[03:28] <ajmitch> hm
[03:29] <Hobbsee> who cut what string?
[03:29] <ajmitch> you did it
[03:30] <ajmitch> they all say that
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe...really!
[04:43] <ajmitch> hello Yagisan
[04:43] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[04:44] <Yagisan> ajmitch: found my new uni has a really bad spam filter today
[04:45] <ajmitch> excellent
[04:45] <ajmitch> so throw away 99% of mail to that account?
[04:45] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it scans all incoming mail & attachments for certain regexs, except, they got the regexs wrong
[04:45] <ajmitch> hah
[04:45] <Hobbsee> haha great
[04:45] <ajmitch> I love incompetent IT staff
[04:46] <Yagisan> ajmitch: mis-identifies the word "rollex" in my .jpg attachments, and rejected my email 4 times
[04:48] <Yagisan> when I finally got my email through, it included a rather off-handed comment about the mail admin might want to a) learn regexes, b) enroll in the same course,c) use a real spamfilter, and d) never reject the mail
[04:48] <Yagisan> and all rejection headers of it previous bounces
[04:49] <Yagisan> it was funny for 15 sections to see the word "enrollment" also trigger the same regex
[04:50] <Yagisan> argh! s/sections/seconds
[05:15] <pygi> Hey folks
[05:15] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[05:16] <pygi> Just wanted to inform you that I have registered upstream products (Diva and Bonfire) which we will hopefully sync from Debian as soon as they appear in Unstable
[05:16] <pygi> which shouldn't be too long
[05:16] <pygi> s/be/take
[05:16] <pygi> hey ajmitch
[05:16] <ajmitch> oh dear
[05:17] <pygi> ajmitch, what I did this time? :P
[05:17] <ajmitch> diva
[05:17] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[05:18] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[05:18] <pygi> ajmitch, what's wrong with Diva? :)
[05:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:18] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, ajmitch
[05:18] <ajmitch> pygi: I see it's not in the NEW queue in debian yet - is the packaging available somewhere?
[05:18] <pygi> ajmitch, in ITP it is, but it currently requires a CVS dependencies
[05:19] <bddebian> Is there anything wrong with the archives today?
[05:19] <pygi> we should release Diva 0.0.3 which doesn't need patched GST rather soon
[05:19] <ajmitch> pygi: an ITP is just a bug, I'm talking about the packaging :)
[05:19] <ajmitch> pygi: since you will of course have followed the debian CLI policy, right? :)
[05:19] <pygi> ajmitch, there is a package attached there I think
[05:20] <pygi> ajmitch, :)
[05:20] <pygi> the Diva package is great, no worries :)
[05:21] <bddebian> My 'Edgy' machine is broken :'-(
[05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's expected
[05:22] <ajmitch> deal with it
[05:22] <bddebian> I can't
[05:22] <ajmitch> then you'll have to burn the machone
[05:22] <bddebian> I can't update anything and name resolution isn't working :-(
[05:22] <ajmitch> fix it
[05:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:22] <bddebian> I have been trying
[05:22] <Sp4rKy> Hi :)
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Adding a hosts entry for archive.ubuntu.com or using the IP address in sources.list still says it can't connect?? :-(
[05:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: then you broke it
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, can you ping by ip?
[05:25] <bddebian> Kamping_Kaiser: Yep
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> now thats cute.
[05:26] <bddebian> We don't enable iptables or anything now do we?
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: give a better description than "can't connect"
[05:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's what the error message says :-)
[05:28] <ajmitch> "the error message"
[05:28] <ajmitch> from what program?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, have you turned on a proxy of some sort?
[05:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: When apt-getting
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: and can any other http-using software access sites?
[05:31] <bddebian> Hmm, haven't tried wget but it's a server install so I have no gui.  I'll try :-)
[05:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: The default route is missing/screwed.  WHen I try to add it, it says File Exists.  So I delete it and add it again and it still isn't there??
[05:47] <ajmitch> ok
[05:47] <bddebian> Any ideas?
[05:47] <ajmitch> so you've broken something else :)
[05:47] <ajmitch> like your network driver not loading properly
[05:48] <bddebian> I can ping IPs though
[05:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks for the love :-)
[05:51] <ajmitch> no worries
[05:57] <Sp4rKy> i've some issue during split packages into 2 debs
[05:57] <Sp4rKy> the <package-dev> should contains all header files, but doesn't :/
[05:58] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: So fix it :-)
[05:58] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, :p i get help because i don't know how !
[05:59] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Is this an existing package or a new package you are making?
[05:59] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i've audacious-dev.install file, section in debian/control and uncommented dh_install in debian/rules
[05:59] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, a new :)
[05:59] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: paste-bin them
[06:00] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, the rules ?
[06:00] <bddebian> Rules and .install file
[06:00] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:02] <LaserJock> I'm going to fall over dead any second
[06:03] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, http://pastebin.ca/68413
[06:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: please dont.  the paperwork is inconvenient.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:07] <LaserJock> bah, no sleep, weird TZ ans food
[06:07] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, any idea ?
[06:11] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Your (MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/audacious/usr  but then in .install you are looking in /debian/tmp/foo ??
[06:11] <Sp4rKy> oups
[06:17] <bmonty> ajmitch: can you let me know when you put your project up on the supermirror please?  I'd like to help test.
[06:18] <ajmitch> bmonty: sure
[06:18] <ajmitch> past 4AM :)
[06:19] <bddebian> Anyone know much about ~/.pbuilderrc
[06:19] <LaserJock> what about it?
[06:19] <ajmitch> tha manpage does
[06:19] <bddebian>  /ignore ajmitch
[06:19] <bmonty> the manpage is fairly decent :)
[06:20] <bddebian> Oh forget it
[06:20] <ajmitch> there's really not a lot we can say that it doesn't cover, though
[06:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: what do you need dude, I'm not like those other grumps ;-)
[06:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: he is probably reading the manpage and not looking at his IRC client :)
[06:24] <bddebian> No, I'm "working" :-(
[06:24] <LaserJock> what?!?!
[06:24] <ajmitch> oh well
[06:24] <ajmitch> I can do what I want now, bddebian has seen fit to ignore me :)
[06:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, sometimes RL work gets in my way.. :'-(
[06:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Turn about is fair play ;-P
[06:25] <bddebian> Gnight honey
[06:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: I guess I am going to have to set up a few pbuilders :-(
[06:25] <LaserJock> sure
[06:26] <LaserJock> you need lots of pbuilders :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Well normally I haven't but since edgy killed archive.bddebian.com I guess I had better start :-)
[06:28] <LaserJock> I usually have sarge, sid, breezy, and dapper pbuilders
[06:32] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, works, thx :)
[06:33] <bmonty> LaserJock: how do you keep all your pbuilders seperate?
[06:36] <LaserJock> I create seperate tarballs
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> max@Sp4rKy-laptop (18:33) /home/max/audacious/audacious-1.0.0 #lintian ../audacious-dev_1.0.0-1_i386.deb ../audacious_1.0.0-1_i386.deb  |wc -l
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> 115
[06:36] <Sp4rKy> ouch
[06:39] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Glad to be of SOME use :-)
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, some issue are strange :
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> E: audacious-dev: non-standard-toplevel-dir debian/
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:   The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard forbids the installation of new
[06:40] <Sp4rKy> N:   files or directories in the root directory, in section 3.
[06:40] <bmonty> argh...vmware makes my laptop run like a dog :(
[06:45] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: In your .install files, do you have  debian/audacity/foo/*  foo/  ?
[06:46] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: BTW, do a dpkg-deb -c foo.deb to see the files in the .deb file
[06:46] <bddebian> Gawd I hate my life some days...
[06:47] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no i've only debian/audacity/foo/*
[06:48] <bddebian> Ah.  What is the output of dpkg-deb -c ?
[06:48] <bddebian> Is it installing in /debian/audacity/usr/foo ?
[06:50] <Sp4rKy> yes
[06:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: really
[06:51] <Yagisan> bddebian: you hate your life ?
[06:52] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm sure we can make it worse >:) I'll just dig up some random *sporadic* bug for you
[06:52] <Sp4rKy> Yagisan, :)
[06:53] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, so i must add foo/ at the end of all lines in *.install ?
[06:53] <bddebian> Yagisan: Go for it, I probably couldn't fix jack anyway :-(
[06:54] <Yagisan> bddebian: theres a bug report on jack ?
[06:54] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Yeah, so your: 'debian/audacity/usr/bin/*'  should be  'debian/audacity/usr/bin/* /usr/bin'
[06:54] <bddebian> Gah :-)
[06:54] <bddebian> @ Yagisan ^
[06:54] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:55] <bddebian> Gnight Yagisan :-)
[06:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Still around?
[06:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:56] <LaserJock> a bit
[06:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just copy /etc/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc or is there some "utility" ?
[06:57] <LaserJock> that works
[06:57] <LaserJock> I don't use either
[06:57] <bddebian> ?
[06:59] <LaserJock> I use a script
[06:59] <bddebian> Ah
[07:00] <bddebian> You used the pbuilder-dist.sh ?
[07:00] <LaserJock> yes
[07:00] <LaserJock> I make one for each pbuilder and put it in ~/bin/
[07:02] <raphink> LaserJock: setting multiple pbuilders?
[07:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:03] <shawarma> What?!? There's already a script like that?
[07:03] <raphink> LaserJock: did you read the how to on the wiki?
[07:03] <LaserJock> of course, but it isn't that great ;-)
[07:03] <raphink> thank you, I wrote it :p
[07:03] <shawarma> It's bound to be at least as good as mine..
[07:03] <LaserJock> I know
[07:03] <raphink> what's the problem?
[07:03] <LaserJock> you don't need any of it
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: yes and it's very useful
[07:04] <shawarma> are we talking about /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ?
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: see the PbuilderHowto page
[07:04] <raphink> yep shawarma
[07:04] <shawarma> the header of it says someone else wrote it..
[07:04] <jsgotangco> hmm what's with this lag
[07:04] <raphink> shawarma: I wrote the wiki _doc_
[07:04] <raphink> about it
[07:04] <raphink> ;)
[07:04] <shawarma> Oh.
[07:05] <raphink> about multiple pbuilders using this script
[07:06] <shawarma> Oh.. it looks a bit like mine: http://sirius.linux2go.dk/~sh/pbuilder-scripts/
[07:07] <raphink> yes quite shawarma
[07:07] <raphink> mine is a bit more complete
[07:07] <raphink> I added a step that copies the files to /var/www and builds a local repo
[07:07] <raphink> then there's an option to have it rsync the local repo to a server
[07:07] <raphink> :)
[07:07] <shawarma> I like the magic I did for the resultdir. That's very comfy when you're building many different packages.
[07:07] <raphink> so typing pbuilder-dapper build *.dsc
[07:07] <raphink> builds the package, puts it on my local repo, and updates the distant repo on the internet
[07:07] <raphink> :)
[07:08] <shawarma> raphink: Oh, I didn't want that. I test stuff before uploading it anywhere. :-)
[07:08] <raphink> shawarma: by default I don't rsync it
[07:08] <raphink> it just rebuilds my local repo
[07:08] <raphink> on http://localhost/ubuntu
[07:08] <shawarma> raphink: Oh. Also, I use reprepro for building my repo.
[07:09] <raphink> so I can test the packages using apt-get directly
[07:09] <shawarma> oh, right.
[07:09] <raphink> I should learn that
[07:09] <shawarma> I have a build server, actually. :-)
[07:09] <raphink> Idon't know existing solutions for this
[07:09] <raphink> great :)
[07:09] <raphink> brb
[07:12] <bddebian> raphink: What config files need to be in /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/ ?
[07:12] <raphink> the same as in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper I guess
[07:13] <bddebian> I only ever had 1 before
[07:13] <bddebian> Just /var/cache/pbuilder  and there are no 'config' files
[07:16] <shawarma> bddebian: No, you only place them there if you need specific ones for different distros..
[07:17] <shawarma> bddebian: e.g. different sources.list depending on it's updating an edgy or a dapper system.
[07:32] <phanatic> hey everyone
[07:32] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[07:32] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[07:33] <bddebian> Damn I can't create my edgy pbuilder, it has broken packages
[07:34] <azeem> can't you create a dapper chroot, and then upgrade it to edgy?
[07:36] <bddebian> Normally yes, but with this script, I'm not sure how I would do that
[07:48] <crimsun> bddebian: which script?
[07:49] <bddebian> crimsun: Hi.  This one:  /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh  that I copied to /usr/local/bin/pbuild-edgy
[07:52] <crimsun> you'll need to use --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse
[07:54] <crimsun> (with either create or --override-config)
[07:57] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah, is that what I need .pbuilderrc for ? :-)
[07:57] <crimsun> well, that's the reason /I/ still use conffiles (besides being a conffile whore)
[08:01] <bddebian> crimsun: :-)
[08:01] <bddebian> crimsun: I still get unmet deps for build-essential and perl5 :-(
[08:02] <crimsun> I haven't been creating an edgy chroot from scratch; I've been dist-upgrading dapper ones.
[08:13] <crimsun> argh
[08:13] <crimsun> -!- Cannot join to channel #launchpad (You have joined to too many channels)
[08:14] <zul> crimsun: get around much?
[08:16] <crimsun> heh
[08:18] <bddebian> heh
[08:19] <crimsun> they ain't gonna let you do that in main
[08:19] <bddebian> They don't want me so no worries
[08:20] <crimsun> bah
[08:21] <bddebian> crimsun: And now I know why they don't want me :-0
[08:21] <zul> how come?
[08:24] <bddebian> crimsun: So using this shell thing how would I do dapper first then upgrade to edgy, any idea?
[08:25] <crimsun> bddebian: create a dapper pbuilder, then use --override-config --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse
[08:25] <crimsun> with update
[08:25] <bddebian> I know that but this script sets the distribution automagically
[08:26] <crimsun> doesn't matter, othermirror overrides it
[08:29] <shenki> hi all. a question; when packaging a gnome panel applet, how would you go about working out the deps from a chroot? know of any packages that would be a good example of this?
[08:34] <crimsun> shenki: apt-cache showsrc gnome-applets |grep ^Build-Depends |uniq
[08:40] <imbrandon> gah you know there is like zero documenttation on the web about using distcc transparently with debuild
[08:40] <shenki> crimsun: um... what's that showing me? wouldn't that be a good list for if i was packaging gnome-panel?
[08:40] <shenki> (sorry, firstly; thanks for the response)
[08:41] <_ion> imbrandon: add to ~/.devscripts: DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS="PATH,CCACHE_DIR"
[08:41] <_ion> imbrandon: That's pretty much it.
[08:41] <imbrandon> nice _ion thanks i've been searching for hours
[08:41] <imbrandon> on google
[08:41] <_ion> Oh, i misread. Well, it's probably pretty much similar with distcc.
[08:41] <imbrandon> ahh ccache
[08:41] <imbrandon> yea
[08:42] <imbrandon> i just / did ln -s /usr/bin/ccache /usr/bin/gcc etc for that ;)
[08:42] <crimsun> shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no?
[08:42] <_ion> imbrandon: Eww. :-)
[08:43] <imbrandon> _ion, as long as its in the path before the real gcc its ok ;)
[08:43] <imbrandon> heh
[08:44] <imbrandon> but yea i can use the preserv envi vars with like cc=distcc and makeflags"-j12" etc to make distcc work
[08:44] <imbrandon> i think
[08:44] <imbrandon> dunno will have to mess with it i guess ;)
[08:46] <shenki> hmm, had a power-out, I believe someone said something to me just as I went offline
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <crimsun> shenki: you asked for an example [as a starting point, I presume] , no?
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <_ion> imbrandon: Eww. :-)
[08:47] <imbrandon> [13:42]  <-- shenki has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[08:47] <shenki> thanks imbrandon
[08:47] <bddebian> crimsun: In case I haven't told you lately, I love you man.. ;-)
[08:48] <shenki> crimsun: yeah, I figured having a package to learn off would be handy... you're suggesting use gnome-panel itself?
[08:49] <crimsun> shenki: err, the source for gnome-applets last I checked isn't gnome-panel...
[08:50] <crimsun> shenki: perhaps I'm giving you an overkill suggestion.
[08:50] <shenki> oh...opps... what did I type in before...
[08:51] <crimsun> shenki: are you looking for b-d for an actual panel applet or just for the notification area?
[08:51] <shenki> crimsun: oh, yeah, i see were you were pointing me... i think it's a bit of overkill
[08:51] <shenki> um...
[08:51] <shenki> an actual applet
[08:52] <shenki> source of program i'm trying to package - http://www.users.on.net/%7Espohlenz/internode/internode-applet-1.5.tar.gz
[08:53] <crimsun> ok, then you'll want to start with libpanel-applet2-dev
[08:53] <crimsun> take a look at network-manager-gnome's b-ds
[08:53] <shenki> it's a pygtk applet
[08:53] <shenki> okay, thanks
[08:57] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, so even with:  sudo pbuild-edgy update --distribution edgy --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe main restricted multiverse --override-config
[08:57] <bddebian> it keeps using dapper in the apt lines??
[08:58] <crimsun> bddebian: it's not using your --othermirror parameters at all?
[08:58] <crimsun> (you shouldn't have to pass --distribution edgy at all)
[08:59] <crimsun> (that's culled from the script)
[08:59] <bddebian> I know, I was just trying anything/everything :-)
[09:11] <trees123> hello
[09:14] <bddebian> Hello trees123
[09:15] <trees123> Hello <bddebian
[09:16] <bddebian> OK I am learning to hate pbuilder :-)
[09:17] <crimsun> learn the dark side of sbuild ;)
[09:17] <trees123> :)
[09:19] <bddebian> Apparently I am unable to 'learn' anything :-(
[09:33] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[09:33] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[09:34] <imbrandon> ouch not good
[09:34] <imbrandon> anyone else getting this on an apt-get update ?
[09:34] <imbrandon> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden [IP: 146.137.96.7 80] 
[09:34] <imbrandon> or is it just me
[09:35] <crimsun> s/us.//
[09:36] <imbrandon> much better , dunno why i dident just do that myself
[09:36] <imbrandon> lol
[10:18] <imbrandon> bah i dont think this is ever gonna work
[10:25] <rob> when a new upstream source is released, does the ubuntu version number "reset", eg I package version 0.5 then upstream releases 0.5.1, when I package 0.5.1 does the version still equal 0ubuntu1?
[10:28] <crimsun> rob: depends whether 0.5.1 is in Debian
[10:28] <crimsun> (it always depends what's in Debian)
[10:28] <rob> nope
[10:28] <rob> (its not)
[10:29] <crimsun> then yes, the package version becomes -0ubuntu1 [again] 
[10:29] <rob> ok, thanks crimsun :)
[10:29] <crimsun> np
[10:29] <rob> is there a way to pass options to the configure script when using cdbs?
[10:30] <imbrandon>  2.6.0-1 - means that this is the 1st debian package of version 2.6.0. No ubuntu changes were included.
[10:30] <imbrandon> 2.6.0-1ubuntu1 - means that this is the 1st ubuntu package based on the debian package version 2.6.0-1
[10:30] <imbrandon> 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 - means that there was not a debian package yet and this is the 1st ubuntu version of package 2.6.0
[10:30] <_ion> rob: DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS
[10:31] <rob> _ion, thanks :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> crimsun, will apt see -0imbrandon0.1 as smaller than -0ubuntu0.1 AND -0ubuntu0.1 ( yes have a specific reason why )
[10:34] <crimsun> yes
[10:34] <imbrandon> err AND -0ubuntu1
[10:34] <crimsun> i < u
[10:35] <crimsun> thus 0i < 0u
[10:35] <crimsun> imbrandon: use dpkg --compare-versions
[10:36] <imbrandon> ok good i got to thinking about it , if/when they hit kubuntu.org they will be -0ubuntu0.1  and propper -0ubuntu1 , so i can safely call them -0imbrandon0.1 -0imbrandon0.2 etc correct , kk will do dident know about that
[10:55] <jrattner1> QUESTION: Any chance of seeing GNUsTicker added to the repositories?