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[04:01] Nah [04:01] Just guess ;-) [04:01] heh === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Erlang [i=neumann@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760460.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] if we've got a package in debian experimental that we want brought to ubuntu, do we have some sort of special sync, or what? [05:39] Hobbsee: You mean a current package, or you want to sync one from Experimental? [05:39] http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/gnash [05:39] bddebian: the latter - it's being asked about in #ubuntu [05:40] Have them request a sync/merge from Experimental === Hobbsee has no idea if it works or not. it was just a request [05:40] afternoon Hobbsee, bddebian [05:41] hi ajmitch :) [05:41] Heya Andrew, what's new? [05:45] nothing [05:45] my life is not exciting enough for new stuff :) [05:48] Well join the club :-) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] 'lo * [05:51] Heya crimsun [05:51] 1280x1024 is really nice :) [05:52] hey crimsun === ajmitch prefers 2560x1024 [05:53] yeah well, some of our laptops can't output that ;) [05:53] my laptop only has a 1280x800 screen :) [05:53] only 1024x768 here :/ === Hobbsee cant even imagine what that looks like. [05:54] 915resolution is quite nice, tho' [05:54] yep [06:03] crimsun: did you steal my brain? [06:04] I ... hope not? [06:04] hmmm...right. where's it gone then? === crimsun points to ajmitch [06:05] ajmitch! how dare you! === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] Heya Gloubiboulga [06:08] hi Gloubiboulga [06:10] Hobbsee: you assume too much [06:10] morning MOTU world === Hobbsee has no brain to assume with, as it got stolen. [06:10] well then [06:11] it proves you don't need a brain for IRC [06:11] heh [06:11] true [06:13] didnt we already know that though, with idiots who get bored, and so start spamming to get kicked, instead of just leaving? [06:14] yes === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] I'm building a package that just contains files (no building required).. but the $DESTDIR variable isn't being pased to my toplevel make.. amyone got any ideas? [06:24] 'debian' directory has been recently created with 'dh_make'. [06:26] you can patch the Makefile to make it use $(DESTDIR) [06:26] I constructed it mysefl.. only one Make target .. 'install' [06:26] Gloubiboulga: If I put 'echo $(DESTDIR)' - nothing get's echoed. [06:27] ah ok, could you paste your Makefile and your debian/rules on pastebin? [06:27] if you're not setting $DESTDIR, then it won't be non-empty... [06:28] Gloubiboulga: and yet debian/rules has the correct line - '$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/' [06:28] Gloubiboulga: So I don't know whats wrong here. [06:28] crimsun: Isn't that a double-negative? ;-P [06:28] as Gauvain mentioned, did you patch the Makefile{,s}? [06:29] crimsun: Ahh.. I think I found the problem :-) [06:30] Home spum make file.. onle on target.. it's the first one that gets run.. by just 'make' (compile step).. even before it get;s to the 'install' step. [06:30] only one target. [06:31] So DESTDIR is not set :-) [06:32] Works now :-) [06:33] cool :) === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-18-36.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] Gnight folks === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-53-82-65-54-49.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] hi MOTUs [07:46] hey Sp4rKy [07:46] althouhg i'm not a MOTU [07:47] :p [07:47] hey Hobbsee [07:47] Hobbsee, when will you apply for MOTUness? [07:47] Gloubiboulga: never. [07:47] really? [07:47] no, i've got no idea [07:47] :) === Hobbsee might sometime. [07:48] i'll go to work :( , 'later [07:48] see you Sp4rKy [07:48] :) [07:49] I'm leaving too to join the members of the Ubuntu sect ;) === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] I can see that building a package doesn't need several things that it's setup.py checks for, but needs them at run-time. Should I stop setup.py checking for them? Or just list them as build-depends? [08:08] well if you're using setup.py in debian/rules, then either you'll have to include them in debian/control:Build-Depends, or you'll have to reimplement some of setup.py's functionality (or hack it to remove them) in a separate script, ... [08:09] crimsun: It's easiest for me to include them in Build-Depends I guess. I just wasn't sure if that was correct enough. [08:10] if the packages truly aren't needed to generate the deb{,s}, then they should be debian/control:Depends, and you should edit setup.py or not use it at all [08:11] crimsun: ok. === dsas toddles off to learn about patching and packaging === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] hi [08:35] could somebody install gnuplot on tiber.tauware.de ? === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] Morning all. === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] hey TheMuso === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] morning TheMuso === lloydinho [n=andreas@ALagny-109-1-10-42.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] lucas: done [09:03] thanks [09:03] evening siretart [09:03] huhu Hobbsee === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@ALagny-109-1-10-42.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-10-42.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp160-173.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-9-37.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] hi dholbach [09:33] heya ajmitch [09:34] schedule up for today yet? === ajmitch guesses it must be [09:34] dholbach: you guys going over the "Drinking from the firehose" spec yet? [09:34] nixternal: just starting it [09:35] you going to be on ts or gobby at all with it? [09:35] Hobbsee: Oak? [09:35] ajmitch: heya, was another nick i used for a while [09:35] right... [09:35] lol [09:35] ajmitch: see k-devel if you really want to know [09:35] http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png [09:35] (data is wrong, but you get the idea) [09:36] Hobbsee: I probably don't... [09:36] heh, it's really not that bad... [09:37] still strange === ajmitch saw the fun in -offtopc as well === \sh [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:37] hey \sh [09:37] ajmitch: and i was testign out something where i needed a different hostmask. and since most nicks of mine are registered, i didnt have much choice [09:37] hey \sh === Hobbsee is starting to notice that ajmitch is all seeing and all knowing. scary. [09:38] <\sh> re [09:38] Hobbsee: I look at the channels I'm in where you're most likely to cause trouble [09:38] haha [09:38] ajmitch: you're not in one of them :P [09:38] only one? that's a surprise === Hobbsee isnt in that many channels === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] <\sh> were anyone attending the TB meeting? [09:46] there was no TB meeting that I know of [09:47] <\sh> tuesday 20th, 2000 UTC :) [09:47] yes, and it didn't go ahead [09:47] <\sh> ah ok [09:47] you were there then === lloydinho [n=andreas@ALagny-109-1-9-37.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: just before official start...but with a b0rke umts network connection....and I asked mjg59 to discuss my request...and they should give me feedback via irc or mail.. [09:49] <\sh> in the moment it's really hard for me, to attend meetings in the evening... [09:49] yeah, it would be === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d011149.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] morning jsgotangco [09:55] good morning === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] 'morning [10:01] morning Toadstool [10:01] hi Hobbsee === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] hi Hobbsee, Toadstool, ajmitch, jsgotangco, \h [10:08] \sh [10:08] this is hard to type [10:08] hey raphink :) [10:08] hi raphink [10:08] raphink: hi! [10:08] :) [10:08] hi raphink :) === raphink turns on his chair, wondering what to do [10:09] raphink: fix the universe [10:09] break edgy? [10:09] that too [10:09] break dapper :P [10:09] break edgy I can do :) [10:09] let's see what I can do to this 2.6.17 kernel [10:09] how could I bork it [10:10] raphink: do the restricted modules? [10:11] I don't want to be killed by Ben [10:15] heh === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-10-42.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cymcy [n=cymcy@d83-177-228-80.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] hello #ubuntu-motu [10:36] hi cymcy [10:37] hi does anyone know what is the status of lirc in dapper ? [10:37] hi cymcy [10:37] hi cymcy [10:37] cymcy: frozen [10:37] as everything else in dapper [10:37] so how do it working ? === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-9-37.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] I go under a lot of site, under https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/45703, under the #5443, so it looks like it don't work under dapper. I try to compile the lirc-module package. [10:40] Malone bug 45703 in lirc "Unable to use modules in dapper" [Medium,Confirmed] === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] yes. with make-kpkg there is no /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf so unable to continue. I try with snapshot of lirc (0.7.3pre1 and 0.8.0) but there is lot of errors (undefined symbols) [10:49] I followed this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToLirc. I will try other things === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ALagny-109-1-10-42.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] hi MOTUs [11:12] heya LaserJock [11:12] hey LaserJock [11:12] hi Hobbsee and Gloubiboulga [11:13] hey LaserJock, Gloubiboulga [11:13] Hey LaserJock. [11:13] I've just read the updated easier-MOTUing wiki page, it rocks :) [11:13] yes === ajmitch should see what's new on there since yesterday [11:13] hey ajmitch, TheMuso [11:13] dholbach wrote quite a bit yesterday [11:14] I guessed he would [11:14] link, bitte? [11:14] I wonder if I should be a mentor or not [11:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing [11:14] yes [11:14] hi Gloubiboulga and LaserJock [11:14] ajmitch: you should [11:14] danke [11:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing [11:14] hi Toadstool [11:14] I'm not exactly mentor material [11:14] oops, too late [11:14] hello Toadstool [11:15] ajmitch: I think as many of us as possible should chip in so a few don't get swamped [11:15] LaserJock: I don't want to scare too many away [11:15] Shy contributors will have the possibility to mail volunteering MOTUs and developers who will help them until they're ready to communicate via mailing lists and irc channels. <-- hah, i like that - "shy contributors" just like myself :P [11:15] bah, send them to me then ;-) [11:15] Hobbsee: we haven't scared you off yet, for some reason [11:16] exactly [11:16] hi Gloubiboulga && LaserJock [11:16] raphink!!! [11:16] you spend enough time here to not be shy :P [11:16] salut raphink :) [11:16] ajmitch: yeah, there's only specific ways to do that [11:16] I went to paris raphink! === rob looks [11:16] great Laser :) [11:16] ajmitch: er...that depends on who i'm talking to. [11:16] how was it? === Hobbsee still avoids some of the devs like the plague. === ajmitch throws chocolate at Hobbsee [11:16] raphink: ok, lots of people, but it was really an amazing place [11:16] Hobbsee, names, please ;) === Hobbsee catches it, and munches happily [11:17] good girl [11:17] Gloubiboulga: the big and scary "core dev" people that yell if people get things wrong. [11:17] wish I could shw you around [11:17] raphink: me too, but I went with a few others so I was ok [11:17] Hobbsee, ok I see :) [11:17] raphink: are you here? [11:17] cool [11:17] jsgotangco: I'm in Nice [11:17] Hobbsee: they aren't as scary in person ;-) [11:17] :( [11:17] is that far? [11:18] LaserJock: they're quite interesting in person :) [11:18] Gloubiboulga: they probably arent big and scary, but they are to me - i was terrified of ajmitch for a while. [11:18] jsgotangco: about 900km [11:18] Do you guys in Paris go to the "fte de la musique" this evening? [11:18] doh! [11:18] hmmm [11:18] Gloubiboulga: good idea [11:18] jsgotangco: yes, Nice is quite a long way from paris :) [11:18] Hobbsee: me too [11:18] jsgotangco: like try to imagine the furthest you can go from paris in metropolitan france [11:18] jsgotangco: and you get there [11:18] hmm [11:18] raphink: we're like 40min away from the eiffel tower by train and that's far [11:18] Hobbsee: I wanted his reviews though because if it passes the ajmitch test then it is probably good enough for Debian/Ubuntu [11:19] Hobbsee, actually it was the same for me, but seeing them in real life for 3 days now, I can tell you, they are cool and nice guys, really [11:19] LaserJock: haha. he must be very scary then :P [11:19] jsgotangco: I'm 1 hour away from Paris by plane, not that far ;) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] Gloubiboulga: right, i'll take your word for it [11:19] hi ogra [11:19] this is why I shouldn't be a mentor === Hobbsee notes that ogra doesnt seem scary. [11:19] maybe its a good idea to escape this jail tonight [11:19] Hobbsee: just make sure to scratch him behind the ear and he'll be a happy eft and do your bidding. :-P [11:20] anyway, anybody who wants to enjoy the coast is welcome here ;) [11:20] Mithrandir: hehe right [11:21] Hobbsee, you never met me in RL :P [11:22] ogra: true, i've never met *any* of you in RL [11:22] ;) [11:22] ogra: but you dont seem too scary over IRC [11:22] as long as ogra has his pants on he's not too scary ;-) [11:22] HAHA [11:22] hahaha === Hobbsee covers her eyes [11:22] LaserJock: TMI [11:22] lol [11:23] apparently it was a very hot drive from Germany, that's all I'm saying [11:23] *g* [11:23] heh [11:23] don't scare me like that [11:23] well [11:23] we have ladies present here.. :) [11:23] that's how the typical european dresses when they're in asia though === Hobbsee makes a mental note not to go to asia. [11:28] but you aren't all that far away [11:28] and I'm sure it won't scare you too badly [11:29] LaserJock: as long as ogra doesn't reach anything on the floor with those trousers on [11:29] lol === LaserJock shudders ;-) [11:30] Gloubiboulga: actually, the real one that scares me is mdz - i dont think the rest are too bad. [11:30] heh [11:31] I find him to be one of the friendliest, in person and online === ogra wonders if his bum is really that ugly ... [11:31] I agree with LaserJock === Hobbsee got the wrong side of him in a bug report, unfortunately :P [11:32] elmo is the one that I've always had a hard time feeling comfortable with [11:32] he is great [11:32] havent even been near him [11:32] but extremely busy [11:32] LaserJock: you really see another side of people when you meet them in person [11:32] yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side? [11:32] except elmo is about exactly what I though he would be === lukketto [n=lukketto@host40-190.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] I still have a very hard time asking him questions [11:33] it's not that he is particularlly unfriendly [11:33] hmm [11:33] It is certainly one thing to talk to people online, but it is another thing to meet them in person. [11:33] he's a really nice guy [11:33] but I always feel like I about to say something increadibly dumb === jsgotangco trust him he's elmo's roommate === ajmitch has even managed to meet Mithrandir in person [11:34] yes, but is the other side a good or a bad side? === Hobbsee thought she sent that. [11:34] LaserJock: he's been very tired the past few days [11:35] jsgotangco: I can imagine, that is my problem with him [11:35] jsgotangco: he is always so busy that I really really hate bothering him [11:35] but I did ask about team speak and he was very nice and helpful [11:39] LaserJock: dont worry - i'm usually teh one that says the dumb things, and i never seem to get laughed at too badly. [11:39] although that relates more to anyone, not just elmo [11:40] heh, well I'm really feeling quite stupid at this meeting, but I'll survive [11:41] LaserJock: i'm told, and i would think it applies here too "you'll learn" [11:42] heh, maybe eventually [11:42] I'm just not a hacker [11:44] LaserJock: you think i am? [11:44] more than me === Hobbsee is always amazed that she doesnt get told to shut up. [11:44] Hobbsee: have you ever taken a computer science class? [11:44] LaserJock: first semester of a c++ class, yes [11:45] Hobbsee: you're already doing better than me then ;-) [11:45] but transferring what i've learned there to how it actually works in regards to the real world, etc...that's a challenge that i havent even tried to work out yet. [11:45] heh === Hobbsee will be dissapointed if she didnt get at least a distinction in that exam. it was far too easy. [11:46] my problem is that I don't know how anything works in a low-level way [11:46] define "low-level"? [11:46] like I use the tool, I don't know how the tool does it's job [11:46] Ubuntu "Just Works" [11:46] Nobody is dumb guys. Everybody is smart in their own special way and the area that they are most interested in and follow the most. [11:46] c [11:47] TheMuso: yeah, I'm special all right ;-) [11:47] sometimes that is an advantage, to know how it works but not get tangled up in the why [11:47] LaserJock: You should feel special. You were granted sponsorship to attend this summit. [11:48] bah, that's because they didn't really know ;-) [11:48] LaserJock: yeah, we're just special at disrupting people [11:48] :P [11:48] hehe [11:48] ah okay, yeah [11:48] Nah seriously guys. [11:48] LaserJock, Hobbsee, seriously === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kamp1ng_@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] Gloubiboulga: hmmm? [11:49] Hobbsee, you're part of the Kubuntu council, right? [11:49] Gloubiboulga: yes [11:49] Riddell: and others wanted me there. [11:49] really, I honestly don't fit in in Linux development, I can doc and organize, but ... [11:49] and LaserJock is a MOTU and get sponsored, I think you guys rock, that's it [11:49] lol [11:50] Gloubiboulga: you got sponsored too, so you rock. in fact this whole channel rocks [11:50] Gloubiboulga: should we just say okay, and pretend that we believe you? :P [11:50] LaserJock, I dindn't get sponsored actually, I live next to Paris :) [11:50] Hobbsee, yes please ;) [11:50] Gloubiboulga: right :P [11:50] LaserJock: yes, and? I can program, but I can't document my way out of a brown paper bag. [11:51] bleck, documentation [11:51] Gloubiboulga: so where's this fete happening... [11:51] Mithrandir: well, documentation is made difficult when you don't understand the material [11:51] LaserJock: anyway, you wrote/fixed the packaging guide - that in itself is great. [11:51] bah [11:51] and a help to others. [11:51] LaserJock: I can explain it to somebody who can write the docs, but I'm utterly unable to write the docs myself. === LaserJock getts out his bddebian complex [11:51] jsgotangco, everywhere === Hobbsee doesnt wnat to think about how many times she had to go searching for that [11:51] ...and I understand a lot about various bits o infrastructure to do with accessibility. I can read a bit of code, but I am certainly not a proficient programmer as yet. [11:52] Gloubiboulga: whole of paris? [11:52] LaserJock: yes, you sounded rather like bddebian [11:52] Hobbsee: he is my hero ;-) === dsas reconsiders using laserjocks packaging guide and using a LaserJock packaged app as an example [11:52] :p [11:52] hehe [11:52] But I am not really a doc writer either, but can try. It takes me a while to get things right. :) [11:52] wha?? [11:52] jsgotangco, yep, just walk around in Paris and you'll here music and see musicians :) [11:52] I still assume too much about what I am writing about. :) [11:52] interesting [11:53] TheMuso: yeah, that is easy to do, that's why outside review is important [11:53] s/here/hear [11:53] LaserJock: Damn right. [11:53] I am finding that with one of my specs. [11:54] TheMuso: man, you type fast, all I hear is your keyboard clicking sooo fast [11:55] heh === Hobbsee takes this opportunity to apologise for all he rrecent typos [11:55] mine is like plunk .... plunk ... plunk === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] heh [11:56] I must say that I really do like this keyboard. [11:56] my x40's keyboard is _so_ much nicer after I got a new one. [11:56] touchtypists rule [11:57] hehe yeah [11:57] it takes me long enough to think of what to type that I've never needed to type all that fast [11:57] other than CC and TB meetings ;-) [11:57] hah - but cant you pretype a lot of that? [11:58] yep ;-) [11:58] thank goodness [11:58] I think working with speech synthesis at a fast rate has caused my brain to speed up its thought process. [11:58] core-dev is harder to do that with though, I'd have to practice beforehand but doubt I'll ever do that so ... [11:59] But could be wrong. === Hobbsee deliberately slowed *down* her thought processes. pity. [11:59] was useful then, not so useful now. they need to speed up again. === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee from his mothers house. [12:00] don't break it completely [12:00] StevenK: I don't think your mother will lke that. [12:00] argh! i'm jumped on [12:00] Hobbsee: drink lots of coffee. That'll teach your brain about slowing down. [12:01] Mithrandir: hah. cant stand the stuff. and coke doesn tseem that effective - only good for calming me down a bit. === TheMuso doesn't like coffee either. [12:01] Hobbsee: espresso shots are nice, they seem to make decent-ish coffee here. [12:01] I usually don't drink it either. [12:01] Thats why I would rather get a good night sleep than consume copious amounts of caffeen at the start of each day. [12:01] hmmm okay... [12:02] I don't do either === Hobbsee has never been into tea or coffee at all. === StevenK has cut down on how much caffeine he drinks. [12:02] I don't mind tea during winter. === Mithrandir bounces around StevenK [12:02] I went to bed at 3:00am last night and never drink coffee === Hobbsee makes a mental note to remove all coke from StevenK's house. [12:03] I usually drink Coke at work. [12:03] Diet Pepsi for me unfortunately [12:03] Eww [12:03] ewwwwww!!! [12:03] LaserJock you're insane!!!! [12:04] my teeth can't handle the real stuff anymore [12:04] diet pepsi isnt worth drinking! === TheMuso prefers ginger beer, or cordial and soda water for fizzy drinks. [12:04] If you were a real drinker you wouldn't have teeth. [12:04] haha === Hobbsee pictures a toothless StevenK [12:04] StevenK: right, I've already had to have 2 crowns [12:04] ive tasted ginger beer i didnt like it [12:04] it's expensive [12:05] the dental work I mean [12:05] Any dental work is expensive. === StevenK avoids the expense by avoiding the dentist. [12:05] oh yeah, i was supposed to go back there... === Hobbsee goes back to happily ignoring that idea. [12:05] Dental work is expensive if it is reactive treatment, not preventative. [12:06] Preventative is not soo bad. [12:06] Last time I went, I was charged $110 to have the dentist look at my teeth and clean them. [12:06] "Cheap" is a relative term. [12:07] I paid $1200 USD for my last visit :( [12:07] Ouch. [12:07] yeah, just because of soda and popcorn, grrr === TheMuso has drunk more water this week than he has in the last 6 months. [12:08] :) [12:08] Maybe not quite that much. [12:08]