[05:42] <HedgeMage> awfully quiet in here...
[05:47] <HedgeMage> heh
[05:58] <HedgeMage> hi Amaranth 
[06:02] <Amaranth> hi
[06:02] <Amaranth> (late)
[06:02] <HedgeMage> l-r-m ?
[06:02] <Amaranth> i'm going to use it on dapper, it's supposed to have support for my card reader
[06:03] <Amaranth> linux-restricted-modules
[06:03] <HedgeMage> ahh
[06:03] <Amaranth> and maybe my laptop will hibernate correctly
[06:03] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:05] <Amaranth> my grandpa is so excited
[06:05] <Amaranth> i have him my mac mini
[06:05] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:05] <Amaranth> it's running OS X, but that's because i know iPhoto works
[06:05] <Amaranth> and he takes a lot of pictures
[06:05] <Amaranth> he even got one of those expensive HP Photosmart printers
[06:06] <Amaranth> he was up about an hour later than normal playing with it :)
[06:06] <Amaranth> and he even let me sit in his chair in the living room :P
[06:06] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[06:12] <HedgeMage> :(
[06:12] <HedgeMage> bbl TT needs me
[06:13] <Yagisan> she doesn't need me to pick up her lego. That's her job
[06:14] <Amaranth> TT?
[06:15] <Yagisan> Amaranth: Terrible Two
[06:15] <Yagisan> Amaranth: 2 year old child. Very difficult and stubbon
[06:15] <Amaranth> yes, i know that :P
[06:16] <Amaranth> but i dunno why they call it terrible two, they get worse as they get older
[06:16] <Yagisan> Amaranth: you have kids yet ?
[06:16] <bimberi> yep, our oldest is 9 and is still difficult and stubborn
[06:17] <Amaranth> nope
[06:17] <Yagisan> I see it as practice for "teenager"
[06:17] <Amaranth> one of my older cousins does
[06:17] <Amaranth> he has 3 year old twins
[06:17] <Yagisan> ouch
[06:17] <Yagisan> -ENOSLEEP
[06:18] <Amaranth> they just keep saying "no!" and run around grabbing things whenever i see them
[06:18] <Yagisan> no more kids for me. I need sleep (and some money)
[06:18] <Yagisan> Amaranth: mine say no! in two languages
[06:18] <Amaranth> haha
[06:18] <Amaranth> that reminds me
[06:19] <Amaranth> one of the primary schools here is going to teach spanish/english for the first 6 years of school
[06:19] <Amaranth> if you know english you learn spanish, if you know spanish you learn english
[06:19] <Amaranth> and by age 11 you know both equally
[06:21] <Yagisan> my kids will hate me
[06:21] <Yagisan> the get two difficult languages
[06:21] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[06:21] <Yagisan> with nothing in common
[06:21] <Amaranth> what two?
[06:21] <Yagisan> not even sentence order
[06:22] <Amaranth> spanish and english are pretty different two
[06:22] <Yagisan> English and Japanese ()
[06:22] <Amaranth> different sentence order, different grammar rules, etc
[06:22] <Amaranth> Yagisan: heh
[06:22] <Amaranth> in japanese schools you learn english anyway, don't you?
[06:23] <Yagisan> Amaranth: you do, but it's far from native
[06:23] <Yagisan> Amaranth: and usually a Americanised version
[06:23] <HedgeMage> Close, Yagisan... Toddling Tornado... he's 3 :)
[06:24] <Yagisan> Amaranth: which is completely and utterly incorrect here
[06:24] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: oh, I though he was 2
[06:24] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:17] <HedgeMage> hiya cbx33 
[07:17] <HedgeMage> may I drop you a quick pm?
[07:19] <cbx33> sure
[07:23] <HedgeMage> cbx33: see pm for a dumb question :)
[07:27] <cbx33> bbl
[07:27] <HedgeMage> ok ttyl :)
[09:16] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[09:16] <pygi> hey hey cbx33 
[09:16] <pygi> how are you?
[09:18] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[09:19] <cbx33> how are you?
[09:20] <pygi> great I am :)
[09:21] <cbx33> xcellent
[09:21] <cbx33> pygi: Iwas talking to someone about gisomount
[09:21] <jsgotangco> good morning cbx33
[09:21] <cbx33> and they wanted to contribute
[09:21] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[09:21] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[09:22] <cbx33> which is great, they started breaking out functions to sepereate include files
[09:22] <cbx33> but I don't really agree with some of the changes they made and wanted another opinion
[09:22] <pygi> well, you are the upstream :)
[09:22] <pygi> You decide what you want, really
[09:23] <pygi> your branch is main one, and you cherrypick what you think is appropriate
[09:24] <cbx33> yeh I know that :p
[09:24] <cbx33> but I wanted to know from someone with more experience what I should do
[09:24] <cbx33> I want to make it as good as possible
[09:24] <pygi> what changes have they made if I might know?
[09:25] <cbx33> well, it was all to do with moving functions to seperate files
[09:25] <cbx33> which I am all for, though not knowing if it is necessary for gisomount
[09:26] <pygi> If it's not big in scale, no need to separate it
[09:26] <pygi> but the organisation is always nice
[09:27] <cbx33> sure, and as I tried to explain it's not finished yet
[09:27] <cbx33> not even polished
[09:32] <pygi> :)
[09:55] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[09:56] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[09:58] <cbx33> how are you
[09:59] <highvoltage> i'm good thanks cbx33, have had little sleep this week, but it's been great :)
[09:59] <highvoltage> i hear you've been busy on gisomount and the rsync gui tool
[10:00] <LaserJock> hehe, have you been eavesdropping highvoltage ? ;-)
[10:00] <pygi> cbx33, o, rsync gui as well? :)
[10:02] <cbx33> pygi: yes
[10:03] <cbx33> highvoltage: yes I've been busy 
[10:03] <pygi> cbx33, you are advancing fast :P
[10:03] <cbx33> not so much this week...was my wifes 21st birthday on tues
[10:03] <cbx33> I was off work yesterday as well
[10:03] <cbx33> but I'm gooing to get right back to work from today :D
[10:03] <cbx33> pygi: I'm trying
[10:03] <cbx33> how else am I going to get snapped up by Canonical :p
[10:03] <pygi> hehe :)
[10:03] <cbx33> or anyone else for that matter
[10:04] <cbx33> I want to leave this job
[10:04] <cbx33> it is fast becoming unsatisfying
[10:04] <pygi> ah, well :-/
[10:04] <cbx33> and I need more money
[10:04] <LaserJock> it can't be that unsatisfying as you seem to get to work on Edubuntu a lot at work ;-)
[10:04] <cbx33> not being greedy
[10:04] <cbx33> but my wife \nd I want to buy a house...
[10:05] <cbx33> LaserJock: true
[10:05] <cbx33> but I have other duties I'd rather not do
[10:05] <LaserJock> my problem is that I could probably get a job at Canonical if I wanted to, but I do like Chemistry
[10:06] <cbx33> you're lucky LaserJock 
[10:06] <LaserJock> bah, I don't think it would be all that hard for you, if Canonical keeps going well
[10:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, at least your job gives you lot of time for other work :)
[10:07] <cbx33> highvoltage: it's true
[10:07] <highvoltage> but i can see how working for a school can be frustrating. i don't hink i would ever like to work for a school
[10:07] <cbx33> but I'd like to dedicate 100% of my time to ubuntu instead of replacing keyboards that spoilt little ****'s qreck every 5 minutes
[10:07] <cbx33> the vandalism is the most soul destroying
[10:08] <highvoltage> yeah, we have that in tuxlabs too, but you learn to get over it :)
[10:08] <cbx33> it's so frustrating
[10:08] <cbx33> these kids have everything they want....
[10:09] <cbx33> and yet they just can't seem to appreciate it
[10:09] <cbx33> I'm fedup with helping at this level
[10:09] <cbx33> I want to help on a larger scale
[10:09] <cbx33> start program to role edubuntu out to all the shcools in the world :D
[10:09] <highvoltage> that's quite normal (for people who have everything not to appreciate it)
[10:09] <highvoltage> people who have very little tend to appreciate things more.
[10:10] <cbx33> I knwo
[10:19] <jsgotangco> just don
[10:19] <jsgotangco> just don't expect too much or else you'll end up like someone
[02:02] <pc22> how can i remote my work-ubuntu from home? its in a lan?
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello
[03:45] <highvoltage> hi bddebian 
[03:45] <highvoltage> where are you?
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[03:47] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[03:50] <bddebian> highvoltage: You mean what country?
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[03:52] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[04:02] <cbx33> anyone tried gmailfs?
[04:24] <cbx33> afternoon pygi 
[04:25] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[05:22] <lucasvo> anybody know why we have EOG, Gqview and GthumbImageviewer installed on edubuntu?
[05:22] <lucasvo> They seem to do the same.] 
[06:46] <sebastian> Hi
[06:46] <sebastian> Edubuntu is rather nice 
[06:46] <sebastian> so how are we going to get schools using that?
[06:47] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:47] <HedgeMage> Well, some already are :)
[06:47] <HedgeMage> hi Seveas 
[06:47] <sebastian> uhmmmmmmmm I got Ubuntu,  KUbuntu,  and Edubuntu
[06:47] <HedgeMage> sebastian: the Cookbook will be the ultimate beginner's guide, we've got some advocacy stuff getting put together :)
[06:47] <sebastian> it seems to me that Edubuntu is just Ubuntu,  but with a differnet log in thing
[06:48] <sebastian> and Gnome splash screen
[06:48] <sebastian> and theme and icons and two rather nice backgrounds
[06:48] <sebastian> the cookbook what?
[06:48] <HedgeMage> it's a different selection of packages by default, and it has a fairly automagical LTSP setup in the installer
[06:48] <sebastian> are there any other differences?  that I have not noticed?
[06:49] <sebastian> well I installed edubuntu-desktop 
[06:49] <sebastian> so I got a set up thing for it some where?
[06:49] <HedgeMage> setup thing for???
[06:49] <HedgeMage> once edubuntu-desktop is installed, it's there, it doesn't need extra setting up
[06:50] <Seveas> hi
[06:50] <sebastian> what did you mean by automagical LTSP set up?
[06:50] <sebastian> LTSP means?
[06:50] <sebastian> Long term supopurt?
[06:50] <HedgeMage> sory
[06:50] <HedgeMage> LTSP is the Linux thin client project
[06:50] <sebastian> which does?
[06:51] <HedgeMage> it reduces the hardware you need: set up one good server with lots of RAM and let a bunch of thin client (computers with almost no software on them) connect to the server... everything runs on the server
[06:52] <HedgeMage> the thin clients have very low requirements
[06:52] <sebastian> Hedgehog you work for Ubuntu?
[06:53] <pygi> Hedgehog????
[06:53] <pygi> HedgeMage, hey :)
[06:54] <sebastian> so edubuntu is easy for a school to set up on a network?
[06:55] <HedgeMage> hi pygi 
[06:55] <HedgeMage> sebastian: nope, I'm just a volunteer
[06:55] <HedgeMage> sebastian: yep :)
[06:55] <sebastian> woudl be great if the schools around here would use Edubuntu :)  
[06:56] <HedgeMage> where's "here" for you?
[06:56] <sebastian> uhmmmmm near Bristol in England
[06:57] <sebastian> back at the time I think my primary school was rather good for computing
[06:57] <LaserJock> there are lots of English schools using Edubuntu I think
[06:57] <sebastian> ,but now well
[06:57] <sebastian> I expect it's just a Microsoft school
[06:57] <sebastian> like most places are Micrsooft place
[06:57] <sebastian> altough at the tmie when I was there yes they started using Microsoft,  but I am talking about well the early 90's so
[06:57] <sebastian> I guess that was ok then
[06:58] <sebastian> as for my secondary school well the admins are morons I think 
[06:58] <sebastian> as for college well
[06:58] <sebastian> the admins are morons for sure
[06:58] <sebastian> in fact I even went there before about trying to get them to install Firefox so on.  and well the guy was like
[06:58] <sebastian> well we don't care,  because we get paid to remove spyware
[06:59] <sebastian> that's the kind of thing he said
[06:59] <sebastian> which I think is discraceful
[06:59] <HedgeMage> :(
[06:59] <sebastian> loads of these network admins don't do their jobs properly at all hummmmmm
[07:00] <lucasvo> sebastian: at our school they say: The gov. pays us all the Hardware we need, Why switch to a thinclient environnment?
[07:00] <sebastian> Ubuntu is very good
[07:00] <sebastian> ,but
[07:00] <sebastian> people are so beeping ignorant
[07:00] <sebastian> hence why they don't use it
[07:01] <sebastian> and the more schools and companies so on using  open source the better :)
[07:01] <sebastian> expesially schools
[07:01] <sebastian> more hope with the younger generation I think
[07:01] <sebastian> ,because if they like it.  they will use at home
[07:02] <sebastian> where as the older generation use Microsoft,  because that's what they are used to and have used for years
[07:04] <sebastian> where is your school lucasvo and how old are you?
[07:11] <lucasvo> sebastian: in zurich
[07:11] <lucasvo> sebastian: www.hopro.ch
[07:11] <lucasvo> I am 16 years old
[07:11] <sebastian> what country is that
[07:11] <sebastian> some wehre in Europe
[07:12] <HedgeMage> hiya jsgotangco :)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> good evening HedgeMage
[07:13] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: got my laptop back, I'm off of hubby's windoze box, and I got my CoC sig sorted :)
[07:13] <jsgotangco> oh nice
[07:13] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: are you able to admit me to edubuntu-members now since I was voted in last meeting?
[07:13] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[07:14] <jsgotangco> okay just confirmed with oli
[07:15] <HedgeMage> cool, I emailed him but I know he's busy in Paris
[07:15] <jsgotangco> he's just at my back
[07:15] <lucasvo> sebastian: switzerland :P
[07:15] <jsgotangco> busy? he's been like smoking for the rest of the sprint!
[07:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:15] <HedgeMage> rofl
[07:16] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: done
[07:19] <HedgeMage> I have no clue
[07:19] <HedgeMage> and thanks, btw
[07:51] <HedgeMage> pontifex: connection problems?
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Does Edubuntu dapper still rely on gstreamer0.8?
[08:58] <crimsun> no, it uses the ubuntu base that migrated to gstreamer0.10
[09:00] <DaSkreech> I just did an update to dapper and after reboot the first thing it tries to update is gstreamer0.8
[09:02] <DaSkreech> How can I get it to stop doing that?
[09:02] <popey> ooer
[09:02] <popey> HedgeMage: popey == pontifex
[09:02] <popey> strange he pung out and i didn't
[09:02] <HedgeMage> ah :)
[09:02] <DaSkreech> What version of Ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal ship with dapper?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> And is it erribly worrying if Ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal are not installed?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> HedgeMage: Stalker :)
[09:05] <HedgeMage> DaSkreech: I am everywhere!
[09:05] <HedgeMage> LOL
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Hmm Printers have been removed from the system menu?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> DaSkreech: Sysem --> Administration --> Printing
[09:10] <DaSkreech> HedgeMage: Doesn't exist on my system
[09:10] <DaSkreech> It did before the updae
[09:10] <DaSkreech> update
[09:17] <DaSkreech> where does apt keep the list of files that it grabs
[09:17] <DaSkreech> when you press reload?
[09:17] <Amaranth> /var/cache/apt
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Amaranth: not the debs
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Oh wait that's cache/apt/archive
[09:17] <DaSkreech> thanks :)
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Amaranth: Can I just delete pkgcache.bin and apt will recreate it?
[09:18] <Amaranth> i dunno
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Nope still doing it
[09:21] <popey> have you installed gstreamer 0.10?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> popey: Yeah
[09:27] <DaSkreech> It's rhythmbox apparently
[09:58] <cbx33> gooooood evenin all
[09:58] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[10:00] <juliux> wb cbx33 
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:04] <juliux> hi jsgotangco 
[10:04] <jsgotangco> juliux: hey long time no see
[10:04] <juliux> jsgotangco, yes
[10:04] <juliux> jsgotangco, how are you?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> juliux: well im in paris with the rest of the edubuntu people for the developer summit
[10:05] <juliux> jsgotangco, greetings to all
[10:05] <jsgotangco> what's keeping you busy?
[10:06] <juliux> that i am not in paris 
[10:06] <juliux> and that i have to work with windows
[10:06] <jsgotangco> i dunno where they are at the moment, we're in the middle of nowhere in paris and the nearest village grocery closes at 6pm
[10:06] <juliux> hehe
[10:09] <juliux> jsgotangco, hm the eurostar is to expansive for me to come on the weekend to paris
[10:10] <jsgotangco> well tomorrow is the last day
[10:10] <juliux> oh 
[10:10] <juliux> ok tomorrow i have to work
[10:10] <jsgotangco> if you get the chance, try to come if not no worries
[10:10] <popey> is schooltool discussed here?
[10:11] <rodarvus> popey, Edubuntu is discussed here, but SchoolTool people frequent this channel
[10:11] <juliux> jsgotangco, no chance i have to test the windows install image tomorrow
[10:14] <jsgotangco> no worries there will always be one more chance in the future
[10:22] <cbx33> popey, i think so
[10:22] <cbx33> what's the prob
[10:45] <RobinShepheard> hiya everybody
[11:15] <Gadi> So, does anyone have an (edu)buntu server going with RAID5, an adaptec 2005S RAID controller, and dapper?
[11:16] <Gadi> kernel seems to like to panic on any newer version than hoary :(
[11:16] <Gadi> and, presumably the dpt_i2o bug was fixed in the latest kernel....
[11:19] <ogra> Gadi, try asking fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he is in the server team
[11:22] <Gadi> ogra: thx, I figured you'd know the right people, but I thought it better to post here than #ltsp as it is less off topic
[11:22] <Gadi> ;)
[11:22] <ogra> :)
[11:29] <jsgotangco> heh