=== B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-202.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === k31th [n=keith@87.117.194.66] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === k31th_ [n=keith@87.117.194.66] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === kelley [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.dhcp-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-93.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === upalm_irc [n=upalm@219.140.56.151] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:42] awfully quiet in here... === bimberi watches a tumbleweed roll by [05:47] heh === Amaranth looks around [05:58] hi Amaranth [06:02] hi [06:02] (late) === Amaranth can't wait for the l-r-m to go with the 2.6.17 kernel [06:02] l-r-m ? [06:02] i'm going to use it on dapper, it's supposed to have support for my card reader [06:03] linux-restricted-modules [06:03] ahh [06:03] and maybe my laptop will hibernate correctly [06:03] :) [06:05] my grandpa is so excited [06:05] i have him my mac mini [06:05] :) [06:05] it's running OS X, but that's because i know iPhoto works [06:05] and he takes a lot of pictures [06:05] he even got one of those expensive HP Photosmart printers [06:06] he was up about an hour later than normal playing with it :) [06:06] and he even let me sit in his chair in the living room :P [06:06] hehe :) === Yagisan hates mail servers that eat .tar.bz2 attachments [06:12] :( [06:12] bbl TT needs me === Yagisan ignoring my TT [06:13] she doesn't need me to pick up her lego. That's her job === comcaholic [n=scriptXX@203.130.231.108] has joined #edubuntu [06:14] TT? [06:15] Amaranth: Terrible Two [06:15] Amaranth: 2 year old child. Very difficult and stubbon [06:15] yes, i know that :P [06:16] but i dunno why they call it terrible two, they get worse as they get older [06:16] Amaranth: you have kids yet ? [06:16] yep, our oldest is 9 and is still difficult and stubborn [06:17] nope [06:17] I see it as practice for "teenager" [06:17] one of my older cousins does [06:17] he has 3 year old twins [06:17] ouch [06:17] -ENOSLEEP [06:18] they just keep saying "no!" and run around grabbing things whenever i see them [06:18] no more kids for me. I need sleep (and some money) [06:18] Amaranth: mine say no! in two languages [06:18] haha [06:18] that reminds me [06:19] one of the primary schools here is going to teach spanish/english for the first 6 years of school [06:19] if you know english you learn spanish, if you know spanish you learn english [06:19] and by age 11 you know both equally [06:21] my kids will hate me [06:21] the get two difficult languages [06:21] s/the/they [06:21] with nothing in common [06:21] what two? [06:21] not even sentence order [06:22] spanish and english are pretty different two [06:22] English and Japanese () [06:22] different sentence order, different grammar rules, etc [06:22] Yagisan: heh [06:22] in japanese schools you learn english anyway, don't you? [06:23] Amaranth: you do, but it's far from native [06:23] Amaranth: and usually a Americanised version [06:23] Close, Yagisan... Toddling Tornado... he's 3 :) [06:24] Amaranth: which is completely and utterly incorrect here [06:24] HedgeMage: oh, I though he was 2 === Yagisan is getting Altzimers then [06:24] lol === th1a_laptop [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:17] hiya cbx33 [07:17] may I drop you a quick pm? [07:19] sure [07:23] cbx33: see pm for a dumb question :) [07:27] bbl [07:27] ok ttyl :) === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-str.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-str.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-183.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_laptop [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === ttongfly_ [n=ttongfly@211-47-128-71.rev.krline.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-183.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:16] hey pygi [09:16] hey hey cbx33 [09:16] how are you? === upalm_irc [n=upalm@219.140.56.151] has left #edubuntu [] [09:18] yeh I'm good [09:19] how are you? === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [09:20] great I am :) [09:21] xcellent [09:21] pygi: Iwas talking to someone about gisomount [09:21] good morning cbx33 [09:21] and they wanted to contribute [09:21] hi jsgotangco [09:21] cbx33, nice :) [09:22] which is great, they started breaking out functions to sepereate include files [09:22] but I don't really agree with some of the changes they made and wanted another opinion [09:22] well, you are the upstream :) [09:22] You decide what you want, really [09:23] your branch is main one, and you cherrypick what you think is appropriate [09:24] yeh I know that :p [09:24] but I wanted to know from someone with more experience what I should do [09:24] I want to make it as good as possible [09:24] what changes have they made if I might know? [09:25] well, it was all to do with moving functions to seperate files [09:25] which I am all for, though not knowing if it is necessary for gisomount === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:26] If it's not big in scale, no need to separate it [09:26] but the organisation is always nice [09:27] sure, and as I tried to explain it's not finished yet [09:27] not even polished [09:32] :) [09:55] hey cbx33 [09:56] hi highvoltage === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] how are you [09:59] i'm good thanks cbx33, have had little sleep this week, but it's been great :) [09:59] i hear you've been busy on gisomount and the rsync gui tool [10:00] hehe, have you been eavesdropping highvoltage ? ;-) [10:00] cbx33, o, rsync gui as well? :) [10:02] pygi: yes [10:03] highvoltage: yes I've been busy [10:03] cbx33, you are advancing fast :P [10:03] not so much this week...was my wifes 21st birthday on tues [10:03] I was off work yesterday as well [10:03] but I'm gooing to get right back to work from today :D [10:03] pygi: I'm trying [10:03] how else am I going to get snapped up by Canonical :p [10:03] hehe :) [10:03] or anyone else for that matter [10:04] I want to leave this job [10:04] it is fast becoming unsatisfying [10:04] ah, well :-/ [10:04] and I need more money [10:04] it can't be that unsatisfying as you seem to get to work on Edubuntu a lot at work ;-) [10:04] not being greedy [10:04] but my wife \nd I want to buy a house... [10:05] LaserJock: true [10:05] but I have other duties I'd rather not do [10:05] my problem is that I could probably get a job at Canonical if I wanted to, but I do like Chemistry [10:06] you're lucky LaserJock === cbx33 would love the chance to work for Canonical [10:06] bah, I don't think it would be all that hard for you, if Canonical keeps going well [10:06] cbx33: yeah, at least your job gives you lot of time for other work :) [10:07] highvoltage: it's true [10:07] but i can see how working for a school can be frustrating. i don't hink i would ever like to work for a school [10:07] but I'd like to dedicate 100% of my time to ubuntu instead of replacing keyboards that spoilt little ****'s qreck every 5 minutes [10:07] the vandalism is the most soul destroying [10:08] yeah, we have that in tuxlabs too, but you learn to get over it :) [10:08] it's so frustrating [10:08] these kids have everything they want.... [10:09] and yet they just can't seem to appreciate it [10:09] I'm fedup with helping at this level [10:09] I want to help on a larger scale [10:09] start program to role edubuntu out to all the shcools in the world :D [10:09] that's quite normal (for people who have everything not to appreciate it) [10:09] people who have very little tend to appreciate things more. [10:10] I knwo [10:19] just don [10:19] just don't expect too much or else you'll end up like someone === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-202.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-10.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_laptop [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === petesid [n=psidgrea@d220-236-102-3.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_laptop [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-10.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === petesid [n=psidgrea@d220-236-102-3.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-211-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Nuffing [n=JaneW@dsl-165-211-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=pcx@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ALagny-109-1-2-202.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [02:02] how can i remote my work-ubuntu from home? its in a lan? === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-2-101.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] Hello === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] hi bddebian [03:45] where are you? [03:46] Heya highvoltage === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] hi highvoltage [03:50] highvoltage: You mean what country? [03:50] Heya cbx33 [03:52] hi bddebian [04:02] anyone tried gmailfs? === Nuffing [n=JaneW@dsl-165-211-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === th1a|X60s [n=th1a@pool-70-109-217-24.prvdri.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-235-244.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] afternoon pygi [04:25] hey cbx33 === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw11x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953b6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:22] anybody know why we have EOG, Gqview and GthumbImageviewer installed on edubuntu? [05:22] They seem to do the same.] === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === pips1 [n=philipp@236-101.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@203.161.101.141.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #edubuntu === sebastian [n=sebastia@82-46-9-177.stb.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [06:46] Hi [06:46] Edubuntu is rather nice [06:46] so how are we going to get schools using that? [06:47] :) [06:47] Well, some already are :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [06:47] hi Seveas [06:47] uhmmmmmmmm I got Ubuntu, KUbuntu, and Edubuntu [06:47] sebastian: the Cookbook will be the ultimate beginner's guide, we've got some advocacy stuff getting put together :) [06:47] it seems to me that Edubuntu is just Ubuntu, but with a differnet log in thing [06:48] and Gnome splash screen [06:48] and theme and icons and two rather nice backgrounds [06:48] the cookbook what? [06:48] it's a different selection of packages by default, and it has a fairly automagical LTSP setup in the installer [06:48] are there any other differences? that I have not noticed? [06:49] well I installed edubuntu-desktop [06:49] so I got a set up thing for it some where? [06:49] setup thing for??? [06:49] once edubuntu-desktop is installed, it's there, it doesn't need extra setting up [06:50] hi === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:50] what did you mean by automagical LTSP set up? [06:50] LTSP means? [06:50] Long term supopurt? [06:50] sory [06:50] LTSP is the Linux thin client project [06:50] which does? [06:51] it reduces the hardware you need: set up one good server with lots of RAM and let a bunch of thin client (computers with almost no software on them) connect to the server... everything runs on the server [06:52] the thin clients have very low requirements [06:52] Hedgehog you work for Ubuntu? [06:53] Hedgehog???? [06:53] HedgeMage, hey :) [06:54] so edubuntu is easy for a school to set up on a network? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] hi pygi [06:55] sebastian: nope, I'm just a volunteer [06:55] sebastian: yep :) [06:55] woudl be great if the schools around here would use Edubuntu :) [06:56] where's "here" for you? [06:56] uhmmmmm near Bristol in England [06:57] back at the time I think my primary school was rather good for computing [06:57] there are lots of English schools using Edubuntu I think [06:57] ,but now well [06:57] I expect it's just a Microsoft school [06:57] like most places are Micrsooft place [06:57] altough at the tmie when I was there yes they started using Microsoft, but I am talking about well the early 90's so [06:57] I guess that was ok then [06:58] as for my secondary school well the admins are morons I think [06:58] as for college well [06:58] the admins are morons for sure [06:58] in fact I even went there before about trying to get them to install Firefox so on. and well the guy was like [06:58] well we don't care, because we get paid to remove spyware [06:59] that's the kind of thing he said [06:59] which I think is discraceful [06:59] :( [06:59] loads of these network admins don't do their jobs properly at all hummmmmm [07:00] sebastian: at our school they say: The gov. pays us all the Hardware we need, Why switch to a thinclient environnment? [07:00] Ubuntu is very good [07:00] ,but [07:00] people are so beeping ignorant [07:00] hence why they don't use it [07:01] and the more schools and companies so on using open source the better :) [07:01] expesially schools [07:01] more hope with the younger generation I think [07:01] ,because if they like it. they will use at home [07:02] where as the older generation use Microsoft, because that's what they are used to and have used for years [07:04] where is your school lucasvo and how old are you? [07:11] sebastian: in zurich [07:11] sebastian: www.hopro.ch [07:11] I am 16 years old [07:11] what country is that [07:11] some wehre in Europe === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [07:12] hiya jsgotangco :) [07:13] good evening HedgeMage [07:13] jsgotangco: got my laptop back, I'm off of hubby's windoze box, and I got my CoC sig sorted :) [07:13] oh nice [07:13] jsgotangco: are you able to admit me to edubuntu-members now since I was voted in last meeting? [07:13] hmmmm [07:14] okay just confirmed with oli [07:15] cool, I emailed him but I know he's busy in Paris [07:15] he's just at my back [07:15] sebastian: switzerland :P [07:15] busy? he's been like smoking for the rest of the sprint! [07:15] heh === jsgotangco hides from ogra [07:15] rofl [07:16] HedgeMage: done === jsgotangco wonders where highvoltage and LaserJock went [07:19] I have no clue [07:19] and thanks, btw === sebastian [n=sebastia@82-46-9-177.stb.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:51] pontifex: connection problems? === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === DaSkreech [n=student@port0238-abs-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] Does Edubuntu dapper still rely on gstreamer0.8? [08:58] no, it uses the ubuntu base that migrated to gstreamer0.10 [09:00] I just did an update to dapper and after reboot the first thing it tries to update is gstreamer0.8 [09:02] How can I get it to stop doing that? [09:02] ooer [09:02] HedgeMage: popey == pontifex [09:02] strange he pung out and i didn't [09:02] ah :) [09:02] What version of Ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal ship with dapper? === pips1 [n=philipp@199.186.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] And is it erribly worrying if Ubuntu-base and ubuntu-minimal are not installed? [09:04] HedgeMage: Stalker :) [09:05] DaSkreech: I am everywhere! [09:05] LOL [09:05] Hmm Printers have been removed from the system menu? [09:07] DaSkreech: Sysem --> Administration --> Printing [09:10] HedgeMage: Doesn't exist on my system [09:10] It did before the updae [09:10] update [09:17] where does apt keep the list of files that it grabs [09:17] when you press reload? [09:17] /var/cache/apt [09:17] Amaranth: not the debs [09:17] Oh wait that's cache/apt/archive [09:17] thanks :) [09:18] Amaranth: Can I just delete pkgcache.bin and apt will recreate it? [09:18] i dunno === DaSkreech renames [09:20] Nope still doing it [09:21] have you installed gstreamer 0.10? [09:25] popey: Yeah === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b96498.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] It's rhythmbox apparently === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ALagny-109-1-9-136.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] gooooood evenin all [09:58] hi cbx33 === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:00] wb cbx33 === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [10:02] hmmm [10:04] hi jsgotangco [10:04] juliux: hey long time no see [10:04] jsgotangco, yes [10:04] jsgotangco, how are you? [10:05] juliux: well im in paris with the rest of the edubuntu people for the developer summit [10:05] jsgotangco, greetings to all === juliux is in london :-( [10:05] what's keeping you busy? [10:06] that i am not in paris [10:06] and that i have to work with windows [10:06] i dunno where they are at the moment, we're in the middle of nowhere in paris and the nearest village grocery closes at 6pm [10:06] hehe === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-211-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] jsgotangco, hm the eurostar is to expansive for me to come on the weekend to paris [10:10] well tomorrow is the last day [10:10] oh [10:10] ok tomorrow i have to work [10:10] if you get the chance, try to come if not no worries [10:10] is schooltool discussed here? [10:11] popey, Edubuntu is discussed here, but SchoolTool people frequent this channel [10:11] jsgotangco, no chance i have to test the windows install image tomorrow [10:14] no worries there will always be one more chance in the future [10:22] popey, i think so [10:22] what's the prob === RobinShepheard [n=robins@80-45-78-121.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] hiya everybody === ogry [n=ogra@ALagny-109-1-9-136.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #edubuntu === RobinShepheard [n=robins@80-45-78-121.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === Gadi [n=romm@static-71-249-255-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [11:15] So, does anyone have an (edu)buntu server going with RAID5, an adaptec 2005S RAID controller, and dapper? [11:16] kernel seems to like to panic on any newer version than hoary :( [11:16] and, presumably the dpt_i2o bug was fixed in the latest kernel.... [11:19] Gadi, try asking fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he is in the server team === RobinShepheard [n=robins@80-45-78-121.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [11:22] ogra: thx, I figured you'd know the right people, but I thought it better to post here than #ltsp as it is less off topic [11:22] ;) [11:22] :) [11:29] heh