| MidMark | it's a bit different bug, but anyway I think for similar reasons | 12:08 |
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| MidMark | sebas make the patch... someone have to confirm | 12:09 |
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| allee | Riddell: aseigo is at paris too, right? feel free to point him to 'http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696'. AFAIK he likes interesting problems ;) | 12:23 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 125696 in general "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New] | 12:23 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, ping | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, ping | 12:30 |
| nixternal | riddell is passed out for the next 7 hours ;) | 12:35 |
| allee | nixternal: he's allowed to sleep? ts ts ts ;) | 12:36 |
| nixternal | hehe | 12:36 |
| nixternal | well..i had somebody believing he was a bot | 12:37 |
| nixternal | so you never know :) | 12:37 |
| nixternal | those pictures could be of sony testing robots...they just made it look like the infamous Jonathan Riddell ;) | 12:37 |
| allee | heh | 12:38 |
| imbrandon | well i gave amarok-1.4.1beta1 some love if anyone wants to poke at it ( my key is in pubkey.html ) http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | i'm off to take a nap | 12:44 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 07:28 |
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| mornfall | morning | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | morning mornfall | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | ! | 08:45 |
| mornfall | :) | 08:45 |
| pygi | Hey hey | 08:45 |
| mornfall | Mortal Love -- All The Beauty | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | hi pygi | 08:47 |
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| Hobbsee | hi raphink | 08:50 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 08:50 |
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| raphink | hi jsgotangco | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | good monring | 09:00 |
| mornfall | *yawn* | 09:01 |
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| raphink | hi mornfall | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: would you like some icecubes down your back too? | 09:02 |
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| raphink | how can someone who is away join a place? | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: very long arms :P | 09:05 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | besides, some people think i'm in paris, for some reason. | 09:05 |
| raphink | you're not? | 09:06 |
| raphink | ;) | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | yes, unless i've been suddenly packed up in a squitcase and moved without my knowledge | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | hmmmm...a squitcase... | 09:07 |
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| raphink | ah | 09:09 |
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| Hobbsee | raphink: i've met people that stubborn before. they're darn annoying. and its' certainly possible. and the person in question sounds like a woman, i'm afraid to say. | 09:19 |
| raphink | no but really | 09:19 |
| raphink | I mean I'm pretty sure this guy has done nothing in open-source ever | 09:19 |
| raphink | and bugging us with that | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | googled the nick yet? yeah, i know | 09:19 |
| raphink | when ubuntu is one of the few projects who respects the GPL | 09:20 |
| raphink | this is stupid | 09:20 |
| raphink | he should bother RedHat instead :p | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | actually, the devs would all be up and awake by now. they could all jump on him if they really wanted. | 09:20 |
| raphink | now I'm bored with that guy | 09:23 |
| raphink | he is ridiculous | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 09:24 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: who maintains the ubuntu website anyway? | 09:25 |
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| mornfall | wibble | 11:50 |
| mornfall | Pink Floyid -- Learning to Fly | 11:51 |
| mornfall | Floyd, too | 11:51 |
| Riddell | mornfall: are you going to write up adept-usability into a spec? | 11:51 |
| mornfall | Riddell: sure | 11:52 |
| Riddell | mornfall: when? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | do we need more discussion? | 11:52 |
| mornfall | from blog: I'll write down more later, i have to write down a spec for this before Riddell eats me :)). :-)) | 11:53 |
| Riddell | yes, I am feeling hungry today :) | 11:54 |
| Riddell | mornfall: does "channel support" mean the commercial files that will be in app-install-data? | 11:55 |
| mornfall | not quite | 11:56 |
| mornfall | i have to guess my wiki password | 11:56 |
| Riddell | it's your launchpad account | 11:56 |
| Riddell | use your launchpad e-mail as username | 11:56 |
| mornfall | finally | 11:57 |
| Riddell | mornfall: what does it mean then? | 12:00 |
| Riddell | mornfall: supporting canonical's proprietry software archives will probably be needed by canonical | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, got amarok all done and copiled against a clean dapper with only main ready for when you get back from paris ;) | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | compiled* | 12:01 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: cool | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | just for _MY_ upload i versioned them -0imbrandon1 so that the few people that have tested it for me wont have upgrade issues when / if it hits kubuntu.org ( as -0imbrandon1 < -0ubuntu0.1 i am told ) | 12:03 |
| Riddell | yes it is, good idea | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ | 12:05 |
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| mornfall | imbrandon: use dpkg --compare-versions :) | 12:10 |
| mornfall | when you are not sure | 12:10 |
| Riddell | && echo $? | 12:10 |
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| imbrandon | mornfall, cool thanks dident knwo about that | 12:10 |
| mornfall | also, -0anything1 < -1anything1 :-) | 12:11 |
| mornfall | that's why you put the 0 before anything | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | yea i was more worried about the -0i and -0u | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | becouse when riddell puts them on kubuntu.org traditionaly he has them versioned -0ubuntu0.1 | 12:12 |
| mornfall | you don't have to make it -0u | 12:12 |
| mornfall | -1ubuntu is just as fine | 12:12 |
| Riddell | mornfall: the -0 is usually for debian though | 12:12 |
| Riddell | so if it's not yet in debian we use -0 | 12:12 |
| Riddell | anyone seen _Sime? | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | not lately | 12:13 |
| Riddell | I've no idea when he's expected to arrive | 12:13 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I ment in Paris | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | ( late 6 hours ) | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | oh ;) | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, thanks for the --compare-versions though dident know about that ( still lots to learn ) | 12:14 |
| mornfall | you are all complicated :p | 12:15 |
| mornfall | yeah, you have this being a fork of debian problem | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:15 |
| Riddell | ** kubuntu-kiosk-profiles at 16:00 | 12:18 |
| Riddell | ** kubuntu-accessibility at 17:00 | 12:18 |
| mornfall | oh, kiosk profiles | 12:21 |
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| imbrandon | also Riddell is there a way to overide the kds for the contect browser style ? the default kubuntu one is unuseable in amarok1.4.1 ? | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | *without also putting a kds deb in the repo* that would be bad i think | 12:24 |
| Riddell | for the what? | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | context browser style | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | in 1.4.1 the contect broswer is horzontal not vertical | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | like in 1.4.0 | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | a | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | context* | 12:25 |
| Riddell | and what breaks it in k-d-s? | 12:25 |
| Riddell | oh, the kubuntu theme | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | yea | 12:25 |
| Riddell | hmm, tricky | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | yea that might just have to be a quark in the "beta" for buntu users | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | *thinks* | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | thats the ONLY thing we have noticed though ( me and nixternal and hobbsee and linuxmonkey and snake all running it as a test ) | 12:26 |
| Riddell | you could include a postinst script that checks the version of k-d-s and if it's the dapper vesion runs sed on the amarok file to remove the kubuntu theme | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | hrm yea , good idea | 12:27 |
| Riddell | well, not that good but good enough | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | heheh we good enough without having to do a special kds ;) | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | or is the context browser theme seperate somehow ? i guess i could just take the current one and flip it horozontal | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | if its a sep deb | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | or is it just included in like kubuntu-artwork | 12:31 |
| Riddell | it's in k-d-s | 12:31 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok , nm | 12:31 |
| Riddell | it's not worth fixing for dapper | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | right right | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | well considering that in #amarok they said that the old style of context broswer got reverted in SVN anyhow and wont be back till 2.0 | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | it wouldnt make much sence to cahnge it then change it back anyhow | 12:33 |
| imbrandon | ( they noted its great they just thought it was too much for a point release ) | 12:33 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:33 |
| imbrandon | so 1.4.1 final most likely wont have a problem with the curernt theme | 12:34 |
| mornfall | Riddell: maybe you can check the adept-usability spec and point out missing stuff :) | 12:37 |
| mornfall | i know there are missing sections | 12:37 |
| mornfall | and design is incomplete | 12:37 |
| mornfall | but stuff up to design probably need some sort of review :) | 12:37 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ok, will do in a few minutes | 12:37 |
| mornfall | great, thanks | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell and mornfall | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: bot has access control now - i doubt you're on that list. | 12:49 |
| Riddell | evening Hobbsee | 12:49 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: bah | 12:49 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: could you put the kopete url for kopete? | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: er, which is? | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | you should be put on that access list, too | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, kopete.kde.org | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:54 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete | 12:55 |
| imbrandon | Riddell / Hobbsee is that the latest 0.12 atm ? | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: /msg ubotu %register Riddell anypassword | 12:56 |
| mornfall | hi Hobbsee | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: not a clue | 12:56 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: it's 0.12, it's not the latest packaging | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | thats what i was wondering were the latest package resides | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: try adding now | 12:57 |
| Riddell | groovy, sorted | 12:58 |
| Riddell | thanks Hobbsee | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i do have the power to add people! | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | this bot is damned confusing! | 12:59 |
| Riddell | bost are | 12:59 |
| Riddell | bots | 12:59 |
| === Hobbsee 's brain explodes | ||
| Hobbsee | it's not that it's complicated, but the terminology is rather dodgy. | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | er, s/rather dodgy/damn confusing! | 01:01 |
| nixternal | moin | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the way to operate the bot - you can use !tell user about foo, !foo > user, !foo, etc... | 01:02 |
| apokryphos | Hobbsee: all on the mailing list ;-) | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | and there are a whole lot of aliases | 01:02 |
| apokryphos | and documented on wiki.kubuntu.org/UbotuUsage | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | apokryphos: yeah, but with the amount of email Riddell gets, i doubt he reads an IRC op mailing list :P | 01:02 |
| Riddell | hell no | 01:03 |
| === imbrandon is on the op team and dident know about the mainline list , oops | ||
| apokryphos | I just meant for you, Hobbsee -- the terminology can be tricky if you don't know it | 01:03 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: I discovered it not too long ago, too 8) | 01:03 |
| nixternal | imbrandon don't feel bad..i get most of the "non high volume" lists...i have yet to see an irc team email fly ;) | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | dont tell me i finally got something right! | 01:03 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: ubuntu-irc, if you want to join | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, yea i will after lunch ( just learned about the ubotu changes and the op chan too LOL ) | 01:04 |
| === imbrandon is behind sometimes | ||
| apokryphos | heh =) | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | hehe - yes, we see them. it's useful, and it meant that i knew that Riddell was attempting to add to the bot :P | 01:04 |
| apokryphos | the new bot is an awful lot better, so it's great stuff, yeah. | 01:04 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: I'll add you as an editor now, too. | 01:05 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: but you'll have to register with him first :P /msg ubotu register name password | 01:05 |
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| Hobbsee | apokryphos: why arent all members added as editors yet? or are they, but arent shown? | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, ok | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | hi kwwii | 01:05 |
| kwwii | hi Hobbsee | 01:05 |
| pygi | kwwii, :) | 01:05 |
| kwwii | hi pygi | 01:06 |
| nixternal | moin moin everyone ;) | 01:06 |
| pygi | hi hi | 01:06 |
| apokryphos | Hobbsee: we're just doing it on a ask and you'll probably be added, basis. | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | apokryphos: right | 01:06 |
| kwwii | pygi: I have done some work on the interface for bzr....sometime next week (after I get back home) we should discuss what I have done so far | 01:06 |
| pygi | kwwii, that's fine ,no worries :) | 01:07 |
| kwwii | cool :-) | 01:07 |
| pygi | have you contacted that guy who wanted to help you with oxygen perhaps? :) | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, from #kubuntu : [06:04] <Emess> http://kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-mug.jpg <--can i buy this mug somewhere? | 01:09 |
| apokryphos | that's from Riddell's blog :P | 01:10 |
| nixternal | kubuntu.de imbrandon | 01:10 |
| Riddell | as nixternal says | 01:11 |
| nixternal | or if they ever get a LinuxTag around us imbrandon we might get one there ;) | 01:11 |
| nixternal | as a matter of fact..im going to LinuxDays at our local college today | 01:11 |
| kwwii | pygi: to be honest, I completely forgot about that | 01:11 |
| kwwii | pygi: I have been somewhat busy lately :-( | 01:11 |
| pygi | kwwii, oki, doesn't matter then | 01:12 |
| nixternal | I have about 50 Ubuntu/Kubuntu CD's im taking | 01:12 |
| pygi | yup, I know you was busy :-/ | 01:12 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: why isn't some kubuntu stuff added to the ubuntu shop? | 01:12 |
| mornfall | --> lunch | 01:12 |
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| === imbrandon follows mornfall and kwwii brb | ||
| Riddell | apokryphos: ubuntu shop is just a crappy cafepress thing no? | 01:12 |
| nixternal | yup | 01:13 |
| apokryphos | yeah, but come on, cafepress isn't that bad 8) | 01:13 |
| nixternal | ya it is..i have gotten stuff from them in the past | 01:13 |
| === apokryphos wishes kde had a shop | ||
| nixternal | they are way to expensive..plus i don't see the need for Kubuntu g-strings | 01:13 |
| apokryphos | heh | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: NFI @ the latest kopete package. do we have one source, or two, or what? i thought there was only one, but i've got no idea what apachelogger was doing, and i have a suspicion that he ignored freeflying and my work, and redebianized kopete 0.12. | 01:13 |
| === apokryphos saw a picture of aseigo with a g-string the other day :O | ||
| apokryphos | (don't worry, he had trousers on too) | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | apokryphos: TMI! | 01:14 |
| nixternal | haha | 01:14 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt want to know that :P | ||
| apokryphos | don't worry, it had the KDE logo | 01:14 |
| nixternal | give um a yellow card Hobbsee ;) | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | hahah Hobbsee thats whay i was worried about too , thus my asking | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i'll look into it more after lunch | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i think apachelogger took the changes that i wanted, but i've got no idea what state the package is in now, or where it is. i've got a suspicion that it is two, because i was the original debianizer, and somehow it had been changed so i wasnt. | 01:15 |
| Riddell | mornfall: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageManager | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, yea i noticed | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | oh i dont know. but i sure wish people would actually tell each other what they were doing, before they go and nick the semi done version, and work on it - at least an email notification or something to say "this is what it was and this is now what it is" would be nice! | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | right right hopefully lp brz will help with that some | 01:16 |
| nixternal | word of the wise...don't allow flickr images to show "ALL" on a website...i guess i had nudey pics come across the family website last night | 01:16 |
| apokryphos | Mark has downloaded a .deb and wants to install it, but there's no application to do this in kubuntu. <--- right-click -> kubuntu package menu -> install? | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | mind you, collaborating like that is still less stupid than all separate people doing separate packages for it - but only just | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | apokryphos: yeah, that was working, probably still is, no idea why they dont have that listed. | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, is the stuff on ~riddell got my your and freeflying changes ? | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: NFI, i'd have to grab the source and check | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, said ther is a new package somewhere ( assuming apachelogger ) | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | my changes included a dep of jasper-runtime i think - something like that | 01:18 |
| nixternal | imbrandon speaking of Kubuntu items like the mug...there is a lady my old man uses to have his company logo's embroidered onto shirts...she is awesome and cheap...so im going to find some good polo's maybe when i get time and ahve her make me a couple | 01:18 |
| apokryphos | goals on that page look really good; it'd be nice to have that stuff in | 01:18 |
| Riddell | mornfall: see comments https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/adept-usability | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | hah. which cruel parent names their kid maisie? :P | 01:19 |
| apokryphos | and, is smart going to be used for the adept quick install (as in gnome-app-install)? What's going to happen on that regard? | 01:19 |
| nixternal | alright, gotta get ready to go spread the Kubuntu ;) talk to you all later!!! have a good day everyone! | 01:20 |
| apokryphos | see ya | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | bye nixternal! | 01:20 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: it's the latest one that apachelogger had made when I packaged it, it includes changes from you and Hobbsee | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | right, cool | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | k | 01:22 |
| === Hobbsee kicks kmail. work you silly thing! | ||
| Hobbsee | haha | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | stupid program. crashes when it tries to get my mail. | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | http://pastebin.ca/69000 | 01:25 |
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| apokryphos | Hobbsee: what do you get if you run kmail from the command line? | 01:28 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: no | 01:32 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: is smart going to be used at all in kubuntu? | 01:32 |
| === apokryphos is interested on how exactly it'll be implemented to get biarch going | ||
| apokryphos | perhaps i should search the wiki :P | 01:33 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: no :-) | 01:33 |
| === apokryphos listens | ||
| mornfall | no for "used at all" | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | hrm yesterday at the Smart BOF they mentioned it will be used in edgy | 01:34 |
| === apokryphos is a little lost | ||
| mornfall | edgy ubuntu | 01:35 |
| mornfall | sure | 01:35 |
| apokryphos | aha, wiki, excellent | 01:35 |
| mornfall | i'm not interested | 01:35 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: well that's what I'm talking about of course :) | 01:35 |
| mornfall | so unless Riddell drops me, adept will continue the set course | 01:35 |
| apokryphos | apt is still to be *the* package manager in edgy | 01:35 |
| apokryphos | and hence so would adept 8) | 01:36 |
| mornfall | it will stay that way for ever :] | 01:36 |
| apokryphos | probably | 01:36 |
| mornfall | well | 01:37 |
| mornfall | unless you volunteer to rewrite adept in python using smart | 01:37 |
| mornfall | good luck with that :) | 01:37 |
| mornfall | who was the person with the python-based notifier? :) | 01:38 |
| apokryphos | cool, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager has a lot of info | 01:39 |
| apokryphos | interesting, biarch compatibility isn't mentioned on there and I thought it was the main reason for using smart =) | 01:39 |
| mornfall | where you got that idea? | 01:39 |
| mornfall | there's at least apt-rpm that supports biarch | 01:40 |
| mornfall | also | 01:40 |
| mornfall | it should be noted that biarch is so useless | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | I know, but apt-rpm isn't great | 01:40 |
| mornfall | noone cares :) | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | I got the idea from mark's original post to the mailing list | 01:40 |
| Lathiat | why is it useless? | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | and.........no, biarch isn't useless | 01:40 |
| mornfall | whatever | 01:40 |
| mornfall | it is | 01:40 |
| Lathiat | the ability to packaged install 32bit versions of software on a mainly 64bit system would be usefull to me numerous occasions now | 01:40 |
| apokryphos | care to enlighten us? | 01:41 |
| apokryphos | Lathiat: exactly | 01:41 |
| mornfall | eventually, amd64 will unscrew theier architecture and it'll be useless again | 01:41 |
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| apokryphos | hah | 01:41 |
| mornfall | s/64// | 01:41 |
| Lathiat | mornfall: how so? | 01:41 |
| apokryphos | ok, sure | 01:41 |
| mornfall | well, it's still useless for 95+% of cases | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | how is amd screwed the arch ? | 01:41 |
| apokryphos | so what? It still leaves that 5% which is very annoying at times | 01:41 |
| mornfall | the 5% can live with chrooting | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | also its not just amd | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | hell no | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | iirc its usefull for sparc & powerpc too | 01:42 |
| === imbrandon loves his amd64 and to install 32bit userland apps would be great | ||
| apokryphos | chroot is hardly an alternative | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | ugh no chrotting is ugliest shit in the world | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | and is just a patch aroudn the fact the chroot can be installed on the overall system | 01:42 |
| mornfall | it's much more elegant than biarch | 01:42 |
| mornfall | really | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | = biarch! | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | yea ppc64 and ppc32 | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | :/ | 01:42 |
| apokryphos | and really, other distros had biarch quite some time ago. Ubuntu/Debian really need to catch up 8) | 01:43 |
| mornfall | biarch means this ugly as shit workaround for not being able to have multiple versions of an so | 01:43 |
| mornfall | lib64? for fucks sacke | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | so what? | 01:43 |
| mornfall | it couldn't be more obivous special-case workaround | 01:43 |
| mornfall | sake* | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, chroot is a pita for 90% of people , this is a "user friendly" distro ;) | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | looks very nice and tidy to me | 01:43 |
| apokryphos | exactly | 01:43 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: plain users don't mix 64b and 32b software | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | yes they do | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | firefox is a very popualr example | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | becaue flash etc arent 64bit | 01:44 |
| apokryphos | want flash to be able to work with flash+konqueror already? Not a problem | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | plsu there are a number of apps that fail to work properly on 64bit | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, plain uses SHOULD use a 64bit kernel and all 32bit userland stuff with the EXCEPTION being 64bit userland | 01:44 |
| mornfall | Lathiat: ahem -- proprietary software? i absolutely don't care | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | the netflow collector software i use at work for example | 01:44 |
| apokryphos | see a nice package for ubuntu but the user (as a lot) didn't package it for amd64? Again, not a problem | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | which is free software | 01:44 |
| apokryphos | wine etc too | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | mornfall: just because you dont care, doesnt mean no one else does | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | so you should rephrase your opinion to | 01:44 |
| Lathiat | "biach is useless to me" | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | :) | 01:45 |
| mornfall | Lathiat: oh, it means that i won't implement it :) | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | also i lack the ability to spell | 01:45 |
| mornfall | which in turn means unless someone else implements it, it won't exist | 01:45 |
| mornfall | easy : | 01:45 |
| mornfall | :-) | 01:45 |
| apokryphos | ubuntu said it'd be implemented through smart, anyhow | 01:45 |
| mornfall | feel free to rewrite all apt-based software | 01:46 |
| mornfall | noone is stopping you, really | 01:46 |
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| apokryphos | some people are working on the problems | 01:46 |
| apokryphos | (see the wiki page) | 01:46 |
| mornfall | well, that includes adept | 01:46 |
| Lathiat | well id ont know aythign about smart | 01:46 |
| apokryphos | jdub & co. | 01:46 |
| Lathiat | i thought it was being worked on to make it work in apt? | 01:46 |
| mornfall | hahaha, jdub | 01:46 |
| mornfall | great | 01:47 |
| apokryphos | Lathiat: it's a very nice package manager :) | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | and dpkg | 01:47 |
| apokryphos | Lathiat: it works with apt just fine | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | hi again all | 01:47 |
| apokryphos | wb Hobbsee | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | wb Hobbsee | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | thanks, what'd i miss? | 01:47 |
| === Hobbsee had everything freeze. | ||
| mornfall | Hobbsee: small flamewar | 01:47 |
| apokryphos | Hobbsee: discussing the credibility of biarch/smart | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | Hobbsee: bickering abotyu biarch :) | 01:47 |
| mornfall | see, the real-world usecases for biarch are limited to proprietary software? come on | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | oh darn! flamewars are fun! | 01:48 |
| mornfall | you don't seriously think i should devote one hour to that | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | ...to read and laugh at | 01:48 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: no, they're not. See the other example I gave. | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | no its not, it is however, a use | 01:48 |
| apokryphos | and wine is also 32bit | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | and one that is important to other people, unfortunately | 01:48 |
| mornfall | wine, great, another "important" usecase | 01:49 |
| apokryphos | I don't use it, but an awful lot of people do | 01:49 |
| mornfall | just run 32bit system... really | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect others 8) | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | no, if I wanted a 32bit system I'd get a 32bit processor | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | but its not optimized!111one1 | 01:50 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: bs | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | Interesting, though; the move to smart appears that it'll go further than I thought | 01:50 |
| apokryphos | "We need to evaluate how to make a migration from apt to smart possible and painless and what features/changes are required to make smart the first-class package manager for Ubuntu." | 01:50 |
| mornfall | "move"? | 01:51 |
| mornfall | what mvo said: apt will stick around for long | 01:51 |
| mornfall | that's all i care about | 01:51 |
| mornfall | you can go and bitch about smart as much as you want | 01:51 |
| mornfall | unless you actually write the kde parts that are missing, there is no point | 01:52 |
| === Lathiat isn't bitching about smart, i really dont care for it at present | ||
| apokryphos | I'm not bitching about it, I'm echoing its praises. And really, ignoring that it has these is just silly | 01:52 |
| apokryphos | I love apt too, but smart evidently has some things over it | 01:52 |
| apokryphos | (and visa versa) | 01:52 |
| mornfall | see | 01:53 |
| === apokryphos is still holding out for smart build-dep | ||
| mornfall | i could probably repeat | 01:54 |
| mornfall | that i don't care | 01:54 |
| mornfall | about biarch | 01:54 |
| mornfall | at all | 01:54 |
| mornfall | so telling me that i shouldn't ignore the fact smart does biarch | 01:54 |
| mornfall | is sort of pointless | 01:54 |
| mornfall | right? | 01:54 |
| apokryphos | key is that *you* don't care about biarch; many others obviously do | 01:54 |
| mornfall | that's their problem | 01:54 |
| apokryphos | and it has more than just biarch | 01:54 |
| mornfall | you didn't mention anything :) | 01:54 |
| apokryphos | "smarter" algorithms, but I'll leave that to you to argue with them about; I don't know, but its one of its claims | 01:55 |
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| apokryphos | "Smart has a very clean architecture and is used by many other distributions already. It has the potential to become the de-facto standard as a package manager." | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | gee, was the GPL one not enough today guys?? | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | haha | 01:56 |
| mornfall | *sigh* | 01:56 |
| mornfall | you know what | 01:56 |
| mornfall | at this rate, i will just leave you with smart | 01:56 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: this is Ubuntu, inherently APT users who are saying this | 01:56 |
| mornfall | and forget about adept | 01:56 |
| apokryphos | not smart | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, cool | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, why thats not a good attitude | 01:56 |
| mornfall | this "smart is going to take over world, give up" blah blah is not very encouraging | 01:57 |
| apokryphos | I'm not saying that, and APT is definitely in for Edgy and for still quite some time | 01:57 |
| mornfall | you are | 01:57 |
| apokryphos | it could come out on top, I don't know | 01:58 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: no, I'm saying that it's not totally lame, and it has a few very nice things | 01:58 |
| mornfall | i can read for myself, thanks | 01:59 |
| apokryphos | cool | 01:59 |
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| mornfall | not | 01:59 |
| apokryphos | Ubuntu's fascination with it is possibly also down to Mark's love for python, don't worry | 01:59 |
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| imbrandon | mornfall, no we were basicly asking about how smart and adept were going to co-exist since its obviously going to be in edgy along side apt, you go defensive and basicicly said that if it dosent matter to you you dont give a **** , and that to me sucks becouse its about the community not what mornfall wants , this is a user frendly distro | 02:00 |
| mornfall | well, basically, this whole flame just reduced my motivation to work on adept to roughly 0 | 02:00 |
| apokryphos | why? Adept is wonderful :) | 02:00 |
| apokryphos | and APT is hardly dead or dying | 02:00 |
| imbrandon | exactly apokryphos , adept is good enough atm | 02:01 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: i don't care about community that doesn't care about me | 02:01 |
| mornfall | why should i? | 02:01 |
| apokryphos | and surely if you believed what we were arguing mornfall you wouldn't reach that conclusion :P | 02:01 |
| apokryphos | we care very much, as I said, adept is wonderful =) | 02:01 |
| hunger | imbradon: Now that is motivating: "You are working on a good enough tool" :-) | 02:01 |
| apokryphos | it's a blessing to have an actual KDE alternative to APT, and it'll be in Ubuntu f or long | 02:02 |
| mornfall | well, smart is a fatal threat for adept | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, how do you think they dont care about you? becouse of a few idiots that flame you in bug reports ? bah EVERY project gets that , look at ubuntu its self | 02:02 |
| apokryphos | s/alternative/front-end/ | 02:02 |
| === hunger admits to never having used adept properly. | ||
| imbrandon | mornfall, no i think smart and adept can co-exist from what i've read | 02:02 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: not really | 02:03 |
| apokryphos | all plans on smart seem very vague to me | 02:03 |
| apokryphos | but they are working on using it (it's being used in gnome-app-install), but really don't know | 02:03 |
| mornfall | well, basically, the more support smart gets the more hopeless the future for adept | 02:03 |
| apokryphos | it seemed like "just an idea" in the mailing list, but who knows | 02:03 |
| mornfall | because ubuntu will be pushing hard to unify management | 02:03 |
| mornfall | they already are | 02:04 |
| mornfall | you probably don't feel it | 02:04 |
| mornfall | i do | 02:04 |
| mornfall | i had this flame with a guy who thinks i should just draw dialogs for their python code | 02:04 |
| mornfall | intsead of working on adept | 02:04 |
| apokryphos | :/ | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | so why not adapt adept to fit into that picture mornfall thats my thoughts | 02:04 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: because it is totally impossible | 02:04 |
| mornfall | you can't use smart in c++ | 02:05 |
| mornfall | at all | 02:05 |
| mornfall | you would have to rewrite everything in python | 02:05 |
| apokryphos | yeah, you'd need to bring in pykde | 02:05 |
| mornfall | which is basically rm -rf adept | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | bah yes you can , there are c++ python interfaces | 02:05 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: you don't understand it at all | 02:05 |
| mornfall | adept has very deep roots | 02:06 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: for there to be no adept there'd have to be no apt, even if ubuntu wanted that to happen it'd take a very long time | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, maybe not but i do know what i heard in the disscussion of the smart BOF and they spoke of just that ( adept being c++ ) | 02:06 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: no, it can be easily ruled out by someone throwing together a quick smart qt frontend and saying "here, you will use this" | 02:06 |
| apokryphos | we can't really speculate | 02:06 |
| apokryphos | I see this a lot like the case of kde moving to scons for kde 4 | 02:07 |
| apokryphos | great idea, might be good, might not be | 02:07 |
| mornfall | it's all just plain depressing | 02:08 |
| apokryphos | :( | 02:08 |
| mornfall | i spent nontrivial amount of time working on adept | 02:08 |
| apokryphos | I really don't think it needs to be | 02:08 |
| apokryphos | indeed | 02:08 |
| mornfall | it's not easy to throw it out | 02:08 |
| apokryphos | I don't think you'll have to | 02:08 |
| mornfall | not too long ago you basically suggested it | 02:08 |
| mornfall | you probably didn't know | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | I didn't say it'd be thrown away, I just said smart'd be adapted into ubuntu | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | and they'll see how things go | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | (just like scons in kde 4) | 02:09 |
| apokryphos | either way; I hope they do what's actually best for Ubuntu, and I'm not sure (obviously it'd be ridiculous to suggest I was qualified enough to say) what is | 02:10 |
| mornfall | note Ubuntu | 02:10 |
| mornfall | not Kubuntu | 02:10 |
| mornfall | kubuntu is a second class citizen | 02:10 |
| apokryphos | I include Kubuntu with ubuntu | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | s/Ubuntu/K&U&edu&Xbuntu | 02:10 |
| apokryphos | I get that feeling sometimes, but mainly in the past | 02:10 |
| apokryphos | these days I see better things in scope | 02:11 |
| mornfall | i get very real feeling here, now | 02:11 |
| apokryphos | as of late things have been looking good, Kubuntu-side | 02:12 |
| apokryphos | shipit, kubuntu bounties, etc | 02:12 |
| apokryphos | I have no idea what Canonical's long-term plan is, but possibly that plan doesn't involve Canonical itself :D | 02:12 |
| apokryphos | very interesting discussion the other day on what the plan really is, as Canonical is apparently losing a lot of money, fast | 02:13 |
| apokryphos | shipit for Breezy was estimated at $10 million, I think | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | apokryphos: it is? ouch. | 02:16 |
| apokryphos | suffice it to say it'd be a lot mroe dapper-time round | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | right and even more with edgy ....... *thinks that the word is out now and shipit should charge atleaste shipping and cd media costs , $9.99 usd ?* | 02:18 |
| apokryphos | the whole idea of shipit is that it's free, though | 02:18 |
| apokryphos | and it doesn't seem to me like they plan on cutting back on anything, even | 02:18 |
| apokryphos | so just what are they going to do :D | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | true and amazon sells dapper now ( and keeps the money ;| ) | 02:19 |
| mornfall | ohwell, internet walked away | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | ? | 02:21 |
| === Hobbsee wasnt aware that the internet had grown legs. | ||
| mornfall | come on | 02:22 |
| mornfall | stop being annoying | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | sorry, i'll try to stop joking around. i didnt understand your statement though | 02:23 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: is adept used much in debian? | 02:23 |
| mornfall | don't think | 02:23 |
| === mornfall checks with popcon | ||
| apokryphos | odd, I'd always use it over synaptic these days | 02:24 |
| mornfall | you haven't seen the much faster development version :p | 02:24 |
| mornfall | but anyway | 02:24 |
| mornfall | 130 installations of adept | 02:25 |
| mornfall | from popcon | 02:25 |
| mornfall | 5500 for synaptic | 02:25 |
| mornfall | so you get the idea | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | you can track that? neat! | 02:25 |
| apokryphos | eek | 02:25 |
| apokryphos | I guess those old fogies are more used to it | 02:26 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: only for the people who let system submit the data | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: ah okay, which is likely not many | 02:26 |
| mornfall | yeah, about 13k submissions | 02:27 |
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| apokryphos | there's something on ubuntuf or that too | 02:28 |
| mornfall | true, popcon.ubuntu.com | 02:28 |
| mornfall | synaptic 762, adept 195 | 02:28 |
| apokryphos | powerpc.......10 heh | 02:28 |
| apokryphos | interesting | 02:29 |
| mornfall | amd64 -- see, noone cares :) | 02:29 |
| apokryphos | bleh :P | 02:29 |
| apokryphos | mornfall: re: development version -- on svn somewhere? | 02:30 |
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| mornfall | apokryphos: nope, my harddrive only | 02:30 |
| mornfall | no point in svn-ing, noone is able to compile it | 02:30 |
| mornfall | i mean, you need libept from svn and probably tagcoll from svn and everything | 02:30 |
| apokryphos | ah | 02:30 |
| mornfall | 116 for kubuntu-desktop | 02:31 |
| mornfall | hah | 02:31 |
| mornfall | adept has more installations | 02:31 |
| apokryphos | :P | 02:31 |
| mornfall | but ubuntu-dekstop has >400 | 02:31 |
| apokryphos | ubuntu-desktop users install it, that's why | 02:32 |
| apokryphos | *ubuntu users | 02:32 |
| mornfall | heh, you wish :) | 02:32 |
| apokryphos | (ubuntu-desktop, that is, I mean) | 02:32 |
| apokryphos | i.e. to upgrade etc | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu's more popular than kubuntu anyway. so? | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | we only have to get all of the kde section right - they can deal with universe, etc | 02:34 |
| apokryphos | yeah, as I say, it makes for an interesting combination. Being on a distro where the actual most popular distro is the underdog | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | (in the wider GNU/Linux world) | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | *most popular DE | 02:35 |
| apokryphos | damn, my typing is sloppy | 02:35 |
| mornfall | most popular DE? | 02:35 |
| mornfall | wha? | 02:35 |
| mornfall | :-) | 02:35 |
| mornfall | in europe, probably | 02:36 |
| apokryphos | kde's the most popular DE (desktop environment), but not on Ubuntu | 02:36 |
| apokryphos | everywhere, I'd say | 02:36 |
| apokryphos | LinuxQuestions polls... KDE users tripled GNOME users | 02:36 |
| mornfall | well, in debian gnome is more popular | 02:37 |
| === Hobbsee wonders about the sanity of debian users. | ||
| apokryphos | it'd be just as interesting there, then :P | 02:37 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it's bause of the non free history | 02:37 |
| Riddell | because | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | actually, i know of a way to make gnome certainly less popular. | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | urgh, i'd forgotten, would have stayed to be forgotten :P | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | *prefered that to have stayed forgotten | 02:38 |
| apokryphos | I had an interesting discussion recently about controversy in debian; weird stuff. | 02:38 |
| mornfall | The Gathering -- Analog Park | 02:38 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: non-free history? Debian? | 02:38 |
| mornfall | apokryphos: KDE | 02:39 |
| apokryphos | oh right, yeah | 02:39 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: KDE user to be non-free, debian likes freedom | 02:39 |
| Riddell | s/user/used/ | 02:39 |
| mornfall | it's stuck with us, yeah | 02:39 |
| mornfall | You see the sign, it's on the road, but I think you're crazy | 02:40 |
| apokryphos | debian used to be sponsored in the early days by GNU, I didn't know that | 02:40 |
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| apokryphos | hi haggai =) | 02:40 |
| mornfall | many things used to be | 02:41 |
| mornfall | some of the development are pretty ironic | 02:42 |
| apokryphos | what like? | 02:42 |
| mornfall | i should really unscrew development version of adept | 02:42 |
| mornfall | but i'm not quite motivated right now | 02:42 |
| === apokryphos looks forward to it 8) | ||
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| mornfall | you know, i could release adept 2.2 in 2 weeks from now | 02:43 |
| Riddell | mornfall: do it! | 02:44 |
| apokryphos | do it :P | 02:44 |
| === Hobbsee wants to see it. | ||
| mornfall | well, that assumes i fix the stuff that's broken :P | 02:44 |
| === Riddell points Hobbsee at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageManager | ||
| Hobbsee | hi Tonio_ | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did it change since you last put the link out | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 02:45 |
| mornfall | Riddell: btw, the channel stuff is not same as commercial software | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | and for crying out loud, can we kill that annoying message about security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:45 |
| mornfall | well, it may be | 02:45 |
| mornfall | but i don't know yet :) | 02:45 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: what security | 02:46 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yes, I realise that now | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: the wiki.kubuntu.org dialog that always comes up when you first go there | 02:46 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I need to talk to mvo to remind myself how it works | 02:46 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it should work by only adding something to sources.list and updating | 02:46 |
| Riddell | mornfall: what's the channel stuff you have in the feature plan? that's just the new repository manager? | 02:47 |
| mornfall | that something being described by some file | 02:47 |
| === Hobbsee was really impressed by adept when she used it to remove some kernels a couple of days ago, actually. | ||
| mornfall | Riddell: basically, yes, and using .desktop files to describe "channels" | 02:47 |
| === Hobbsee just remembered | ||
| Riddell | mornfall: can you put that on that spec wiki page then | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah, nice :) | 02:48 |
| Riddell | it actually sounds not unlike the canonical commercial archive stuff but I'll see when I talk to mvo | 02:48 |
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| mornfall | i'll write it down a bit later | 02:49 |
| mornfall | say, 10 minutes or so | 02:49 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what tags are. | ||
| Hobbsee | well, waht they're for. | 02:50 |
| haggai | apokryphos: hi :) | 02:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: for general queries like "show me all KDE games" | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah, right | 02:50 |
| apokryphos | debtags? Good for filtering | 02:50 |
| apokryphos | http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | like keywords or something? | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, yea kinda , or selections | 02:51 |
| apokryphos | they work almost just like tags for images | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | like "compilers" or | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | "games" etc | 02:51 |
| === apokryphos wonders if debtags in theory could replace metapackages | ||
| Hobbsee | ah ok, i see... | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, thats kinda how yum does it with rpm tags | 02:51 |
| === Hobbsee still doesnt see the attractiveness of metapackages | ||
| imbrandon | hey i like my meta packages ;) | 02:52 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: metapackages make kubuntu-desktop possib | 02:52 |
| raphink | possible | 02:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: so that an ubuntu user can install kubuntu | 02:52 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: most distros use some sort of tags, from what I've seen. Or make selections in some other way | 02:52 |
| apokryphos | but metapackages seems some obscure invention by debian and used by ubuntu :P | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, apart from kubuntu-desktop, of course | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: they cant list the packages separately? i guess not. | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | metapackages make it nice for things like testing www-browser etc | 02:53 |
| === imbrandon decides to play with the kubuntu logo's on my iPodLinux install | ||
| Hobbsee | mmm ok | 02:55 |
| mornfall | metapackages suck | 02:55 |
| mornfall | it's an impressively bad solution for grouping packages on the scale ubuntu uses it | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | why mornfall ( not trying to start another flame , i genuinely want to know why ) | 02:56 |
| === imbrandon dosent see the downside | ||
| mornfall | imbrandon: because if one not completely important package has problems, apt will try to uninstall the metapackage | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | but thats just me , thats why i asked | 02:56 |
| apokryphos | imbrandon: because it's not clear what's being installed, it doesn't make it easy to remove specific parts | 02:56 |
| === Hobbsee sees the bad side in terms of upgrading apps. | ||
| apokryphos | and you can't filter what you want to bring in as easily | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, that's true | 02:56 |
| mornfall | for upgrades, well, it screws up the algorithm used by apt really bad | 02:57 |
| apokryphos | if everything was in a "Selection" (as suse call it) or any such group, you can select it all, then remove what you don't want. | 02:57 |
| mornfall | because it tries to not break anything | 02:57 |
| mornfall | basically, apt assumes that some dependency is not satisfied, the package is "broken" | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | apokryphos, yea i REALY like the way suse does packages selections ( but thats about all i like about suse ) | 02:57 |
| apokryphos | :) | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | ahh mornfall ok | 02:57 |
| seaLne | apokryphos: re kubuntu merchandise i'm am in the process of setting up a website selling (currently just tshirts) kubuntu merchandise with profits going to form bounties | 02:57 |
| mornfall | and it prefers to remove things than to keep broken things | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | seaLne, nice | 02:58 |
| raphink | seaLne: good idea | 02:58 |
| apokryphos | seaLne: nice :) | 02:58 |
| seaLne | tshirts are ordered and will arrive in a few weeks | 02:58 |
| mornfall | seaLne: you have an ack from trademark holder? (canonical)( | 02:58 |
| mornfall | -( | 02:58 |
| seaLne | yep | 02:58 |
| mornfall | great | 02:58 |
| apokryphos | seaLne: more profits, too, I guess, since there's no cafepress in the way? | 02:59 |
| seaLne | and better quality tshirts | 02:59 |
| apokryphos | cool 8) | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | hi all ;) hi Hobbsee | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ :) | 03:02 |
| raphink | yop Tonio_ | 03:06 |
| mornfall | Sonata Arctica -- Brokn | 03:07 |
| mornfall | Broken, too | 03:07 |
| mornfall | *sigh* | 03:07 |
| raphink | that's an old CD ;) | 03:08 |
| raphink | 5 years or so | 03:08 |
| raphink | isn't that on Ecliptica mornfall? | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | yop raphink | 03:08 |
| mornfall | Broken CDS here | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | hard day today..... | 03:09 |
| mornfall | but Winterheart's Guild otherwise | 03:09 |
| mornfall | what about Velvet Darkness They Fear by Theatre of Tragedy -- '96 :-) | 03:10 |
| mornfall | Broken CDS is 2003 | 03:11 |
| mornfall | not too lod | 03:11 |
| mornfall | old | 03:11 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it looks to me like adept-installer doesn't use the icons from /usr/share/app-install/icons | 03:12 |
| mornfall | it should | 03:12 |
| mornfall | i mean | 03:12 |
| mornfall | let's try | 03:13 |
| Riddell | ah, it doesn't use the .xpm icons | 03:13 |
| mornfall | well, .xpm... it uses KIconLoader | 03:13 |
| mornfall | IIRC | 03:13 |
| mornfall | let's try | 03:13 |
| mornfall | s/try/look/ | 03:13 |
| Riddell | right, so it's a problem in two places, adept doesn't do .xpm and app-install seems to include only .xpm files when it we have perfetly good .png ones in the packages | 03:14 |
| Riddell | best place to fix that would be app-install | 03:14 |
| Riddell | although if adept did .xpm somehow that wouldn't hurt either | 03:14 |
| Riddell | so I need to grab mvo again and tell him to fix the icon extraction thingy | 03:14 |
| mornfall | nah, it uses QImage | 03:15 |
| mornfall | so it's probably qt problem :) | 03:15 |
| mornfall | either that | 03:15 |
| mornfall | or KResourceDir problem | 03:15 |
| mornfall | because that's used as well to find icons | 03:15 |
| mornfall | or the .desktop files omit the extension | 03:15 |
| mornfall | for .xpm | 03:15 |
| mornfall | no it doesn't | 03:16 |
| mornfall | so dunnow | 03:16 |
| mornfall | xpm icons are evil anyway :p | 03:16 |
| Riddell | yes, agreed | 03:16 |
| mornfall | if they can be made into png, great, if no, i can check what the problem is | 03:19 |
| === mornfall is fixing the dev version of adept right now | ||
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 03:19 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | hiya bddebian | 03:27 |
| mornfall | now i need someone who would implement this boring part for me | 03:28 |
| Riddell | I just found two major bugs in gnome-app-install | 03:29 |
| Riddell | and its slow as anything | 03:29 |
| Riddell | adept-installer is so much better | 03:30 |
| mornfall | hmm, adept-installer is really slow too :-) | 03:31 |
| mornfall | it will hopefully improve with 2.2 | 03:31 |
| mornfall | Riddell: where are you? :) | 03:32 |
| mornfall | simon edwards is looking for people to meet with :-) | 03:32 |
| Riddell | mornfall: downstairs | 03:33 |
| Riddell | where is he? | 03:33 |
| mornfall | downstairs too :) | 03:33 |
| mornfall | he's going to atlas now | 03:33 |
| Riddell | ah, I spot him | 03:33 |
| mornfall | great :) | 03:33 |
| Riddell | he's stopped for refreshments | 03:33 |
| mornfall | :-) | 03:33 |
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| Riddell | mndo! | 03:54 |
| Riddell | mornfall: seen ervin? | 03:55 |
| mndo | hi there! | 03:55 |
| mornfall | Riddell: not lately | 03:55 |
| mornfall | last time around lunch | 03:55 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: what's the status of adept-usability? | 04:08 |
| mornfall | hrm, nothing new | 04:11 |
| mornfall | i wanted to do something :) | 04:11 |
| mornfall | the wiki hates me | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: dont worry, it hates everyone. | 04:14 |
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| mornfall | it's hung | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 04:14 |
| mornfall | seems i can't edit | 04:15 |
| mornfall | oh i can now | 04:15 |
| mornfall | weird | 04:15 |
| mornfall | i have updated KubuntuEdgyPackageManager | 04:23 |
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| mornfall | as for the usability one, it prolly needs the sketches to be photographed -- i have no idea where they ended up | 04:24 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: you don't have them any more? | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: they'll be there all night - they're keeping on arguing in circles. | 05:06 |
| mornfall | Riddell: well, i have some of them but definitely not all | 05:08 |
| bddebian | w00t | 05:08 |
| mornfall | i could just draw them again | 05:08 |
| mornfall | or even better designer it | 05:08 |
| Riddell | mornfall: el might know, she's in atlas | 05:09 |
| Riddell | mndo: done any qtparted stuff or still busy with uni project? | 05:11 |
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| mndo | riddell: i found that anaconda has lvm support and i am trying to see if it's is possible to reuse some off their python code on ubiquity | 06:09 |
| bddebian | anaconda, lvm, python, ubiquity... It's no wonder the world calls us geeks. :-) | 06:10 |
| === mndo grins | ||
| Riddell | mndo: in ubiquity dirctly? | 06:14 |
| Riddell | mndo: if it's in ubiquity directly we'd just use partman | 06:14 |
| Riddell | which actually is likely to happen | 06:14 |
| Riddell | hi abattoir, me and aseigo were looking at your original mockups for the OEM installer, he really liked them | 06:14 |
| abattoir | Riddell: hello! wow.... cool :D | 06:17 |
| abattoir | Riddell: did you get my mail? | 06:17 |
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| mndo | riddell: at thie time i still am trying to completly understand ubiquity.. | 06:19 |
| abattoir | Riddell: In case you didnt, i tried reaching Kamion through mail, to ask about the codebase, but i assume he is very busy, as i havent got any response... | 06:20 |
| abattoir | Riddell: can you please ask him for me if you can? | 06:20 |
| abattoir | Riddell: I also am not sure how to reach mtp, the usability person. | 06:22 |
| abattoir | the launchpad page redirects to someone else and i suspect that is not the right person. | 06:23 |
| Riddell | abattoir: https://launchpad.net/people/mpt | 06:24 |
| Riddell | abattoir: I did get your e-mail, although I'm very busy at the conference and not really paying much attention to e-mail just now | 06:24 |
| Riddell | abattoir: I'll ask kamion when he plans to work on it when I next bump into him, I can't see him in this room just now | 06:25 |
| abattoir | Riddell: sorry, my mistake, thought it was mtp :S | 06:25 |
| abattoir | Riddell: no problem, i just wanted to give you an update | 06:26 |
| abattoir | and i am working on the UI anyways, when Kamion finishes, i'll modify/change it appropriately... | 06:26 |
| abattoir | anyway, i think i have an idea of how it is going to be, looking at the original oem-config and ubiquity :) | 06:27 |
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| abattoir | Riddell: and... thank you :) | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | night all | 06:31 |
| bddebian | See ya Hobbsee | 06:31 |
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| theine | Is there any chance that we'll see kopete 0.12 packages at http://kubuntu.org/packages? | 06:46 |
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| Riddell | theine: no, I'll upload them to edgy next week and we'll get backports | 06:48 |
| theine | Riddell: Nice | 06:48 |
| theine | Riddell: Will you enable the experimental jingle support by any chance? | 06:49 |
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| Riddell | theine: I'll need to look at the package and whether it is sane to do so | 06:50 |
| Riddell | it would need jingle in main | 06:50 |
| theine | Riddell: Ah, yes, and also ortp 0.7.1 | 06:50 |
| Riddell | apachelogger was doing the packaging | 06:51 |
| theine | Riddell: But still, having a deb-src for kopete 0.12 is great | 06:51 |
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| apachelogger | only ortp 0.7.1 | 06:52 |
| apachelogger | jingle is builtin afaik | 06:52 |
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| apachelogger | though really no idea howto get ortp in a proper way without effecting the current libortp (which might be needed by some stuff) | 06:53 |
| theine | apachelogger: and that could be added to the repos as libortp1 (which currenlty doesn't exist) I guess? | 06:53 |
| theine | apachelogger: ah, ok | 06:53 |
| apachelogger | well, no idea whether the libs will conflict - naming of the files I mean | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | currently working on getting a kopete-dev built properly ;-) | 06:54 |
| apachelogger | but now I'm cutting the paperboard for my Kay :D http://picasaweb.google.com/apachelogger/KDEEverywhereMalta | 06:54 |
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