[12:08] it's a bit different bug, but anyway I think for similar reasons [12:09] sebas make the patch... someone have to confirm === linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@CPE0013102d9479-CM00080dae3a80.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.40.126] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] Riddell: aseigo is at paris too, right? feel free to point him to 'http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125696'. AFAIK he likes interesting problems ;) [12:23] KDE bug 125696 in general "digikam does not connect to USB camera with libgphoto-2.1.99" [Normal,New] === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@59.92.35.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] Riddell, ping [12:30] apokryphos, ping [12:35] riddell is passed out for the next 7 hours ;) [12:36] nixternal: he's allowed to sleep? ts ts ts ;) [12:36] hehe [12:37] well..i had somebody believing he was a bot [12:37] so you never know :) [12:37] those pictures could be of sony testing robots...they just made it look like the infamous Jonathan Riddell ;) [12:38] heh [12:44] well i gave amarok-1.4.1beta1 some love if anyone wants to poke at it ( my key is in pubkey.html ) http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ [12:44] i'm off to take a nap === _kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fabo [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@69.60.114.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir___ [n=abattoir@59.92.42.80] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde_ [n=lnxkde@206.248.92.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.108.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.59] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:28] hi all === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@61.49.255.33] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-183.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:44] morning [08:45] morning mornfall [08:45] ! [08:45] :) [08:45] Hey hey [08:45] Mortal Love -- All The Beauty [08:47] hi pygi === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] hi raphink [08:50] hi Hobbsee === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:59] hi jsgotangco [09:00] good monring [09:01] *yawn* === abattoir____ [n=abattoir@59.92.83.41] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:01] hi mornfall [09:02] mornfall: would you like some icecubes down your back too? === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] how can someone who is away join a place? [09:05] raphink: very long arms :P [09:05] hehe [09:05] besides, some people think i'm in paris, for some reason. [09:06] you're not? [09:06] ;) [09:07] hehe [09:07] yes, unless i've been suddenly packed up in a squitcase and moved without my knowledge [09:07] hmmmm...a squitcase... === abattoir_____ [n=abattoir@59.92.63.146] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:09] ah === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-183.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:19] raphink: i've met people that stubborn before. they're darn annoying. and its' certainly possible. and the person in question sounds like a woman, i'm afraid to say. [09:19] no but really [09:19] I mean I'm pretty sure this guy has done nothing in open-source ever [09:19] and bugging us with that [09:19] googled the nick yet? yeah, i know [09:20] when ubuntu is one of the few projects who respects the GPL [09:20] this is stupid [09:20] he should bother RedHat instead :p [09:20] haha [09:20] actually, the devs would all be up and awake by now. they could all jump on him if they really wanted. [09:23] now I'm bored with that guy [09:23] he is ridiculous [09:24] haha [09:25] raphink: who maintains the ubuntu website anyway? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A612D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-10.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] wibble [11:51] Pink Floyid -- Learning to Fly [11:51] Floyd, too [11:51] mornfall: are you going to write up adept-usability into a spec? [11:52] Riddell: sure [11:52] mornfall: when? [11:52] do we need more discussion? [11:53] from blog: I'll write down more later, i have to write down a spec for this before Riddell eats me :)). :-)) [11:54] yes, I am feeling hungry today :) [11:55] mornfall: does "channel support" mean the commercial files that will be in app-install-data? [11:56] not quite [11:56] i have to guess my wiki password [11:56] it's your launchpad account [11:56] use your launchpad e-mail as username [11:57] finally [12:00] mornfall: what does it mean then? [12:00] mornfall: supporting canonical's proprietry software archives will probably be needed by canonical [12:01] Riddell, got amarok all done and copiled against a clean dapper with only main ready for when you get back from paris ;) [12:01] compiled* [12:01] imbrandon: cool [12:03] just for _MY_ upload i versioned them -0imbrandon1 so that the few people that have tested it for me wont have upgrade issues when / if it hits kubuntu.org ( as -0imbrandon1 < -0ubuntu0.1 i am told ) [12:04] yes it is, good idea [12:05] http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon looks up the info on making a true pool repo instead of the current apt-ftp way he has it === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:10] imbrandon: use dpkg --compare-versions :) [12:10] when you are not sure [12:10] && echo $? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-98.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] mornfall, cool thanks dident knwo about that [12:11] also, -0anything1 < -1anything1 :-) [12:11] that's why you put the 0 before anything [12:11] yea i was more worried about the -0i and -0u [12:12] becouse when riddell puts them on kubuntu.org traditionaly he has them versioned -0ubuntu0.1 [12:12] you don't have to make it -0u [12:12] -1ubuntu is just as fine [12:12] mornfall: the -0 is usually for debian though [12:12] so if it's not yet in debian we use -0 [12:13] anyone seen _Sime? [12:13] not lately [12:13] I've no idea when he's expected to arrive [12:13] imbrandon: I ment in Paris [12:13] ( late 6 hours ) [12:13] oh ;) [12:13] hehe [12:14] mornfall, thanks for the --compare-versions though dident know about that ( still lots to learn ) [12:15] you are all complicated :p [12:15] yeah, you have this being a fork of debian problem [12:15] hehe [12:18] ** kubuntu-kiosk-profiles at 16:00 [12:18] ** kubuntu-accessibility at 17:00 [12:21] oh, kiosk profiles === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-10.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] also Riddell is there a way to overide the kds for the contect browser style ? the default kubuntu one is unuseable in amarok1.4.1 ? [12:24] *without also putting a kds deb in the repo* that would be bad i think [12:24] for the what? [12:24] context browser style [12:25] in 1.4.1 the contect broswer is horzontal not vertical [12:25] like in 1.4.0 [12:25] a [12:25] context* [12:25] and what breaks it in k-d-s? [12:25] oh, the kubuntu theme [12:25] yea [12:25] hmm, tricky [12:26] yea that might just have to be a quark in the "beta" for buntu users [12:26] *thinks* [12:26] thats the ONLY thing we have noticed though ( me and nixternal and hobbsee and linuxmonkey and snake all running it as a test ) [12:27] you could include a postinst script that checks the version of k-d-s and if it's the dapper vesion runs sed on the amarok file to remove the kubuntu theme [12:27] hrm yea , good idea [12:28] well, not that good but good enough [12:28] heheh we good enough without having to do a special kds ;) [12:30] or is the context browser theme seperate somehow ? i guess i could just take the current one and flip it horozontal [12:30] if its a sep deb [12:31] or is it just included in like kubuntu-artwork [12:31] it's in k-d-s [12:31] ahh ok , nm [12:32] it's not worth fixing for dapper [12:32] right right [12:32] well considering that in #amarok they said that the old style of context broswer got reverted in SVN anyhow and wont be back till 2.0 [12:33] it wouldnt make much sence to cahnge it then change it back anyhow [12:33] ( they noted its great they just thought it was too much for a point release ) [12:33] heh [12:34] so 1.4.1 final most likely wont have a problem with the curernt theme [12:37] Riddell: maybe you can check the adept-usability spec and point out missing stuff :) [12:37] i know there are missing sections [12:37] and design is incomplete [12:37] but stuff up to design probably need some sort of review :) [12:37] mornfall: ok, will do in a few minutes [12:38] great, thanks [12:48] hi Riddell and mornfall [12:49] Riddell: bot has access control now - i doubt you're on that list. [12:49] evening Hobbsee [12:49] Hobbsee: bah [12:49] Hobbsee: could you put the kopete url for kopete? [12:54] Riddell: er, which is? [12:54] you should be put on that access list, too [12:54] oh yeah, kopete.kde.org [12:54] heh [12:55] Hobbsee: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete [12:55] Riddell / Hobbsee is that the latest 0.12 atm ? [12:56] Riddell: /msg ubotu %register Riddell anypassword [12:56] hi Hobbsee [12:56] imbrandon: not a clue [12:56] imbrandon: it's 0.12, it's not the latest packaging [12:56] ahh ok [12:57] thats what i was wondering were the latest package resides [12:57] Riddell: try adding now [12:58] groovy, sorted [12:58] thanks Hobbsee [12:59] ah, i do have the power to add people! [12:59] this bot is damned confusing! [12:59] bost are [12:59] bots === Hobbsee 's brain explodes [01:00] it's not that it's complicated, but the terminology is rather dodgy. [01:01] er, s/rather dodgy/damn confusing! [01:01] moin [01:02] Riddell: the way to operate the bot - you can use !tell user about foo, !foo > user, !foo, etc... [01:02] Hobbsee: all on the mailing list ;-) [01:02] and there are a whole lot of aliases [01:02] and documented on wiki.kubuntu.org/UbotuUsage [01:02] apokryphos: yeah, but with the amount of email Riddell gets, i doubt he reads an IRC op mailing list :P [01:03] hell no === imbrandon is on the op team and dident know about the mainline list , oops [01:03] I just meant for you, Hobbsee -- the terminology can be tricky if you don't know it [01:03] imbrandon: I discovered it not too long ago, too 8) [01:03] imbrandon don't feel bad..i get most of the "non high volume" lists...i have yet to see an irc team email fly ;) [01:03] Riddell: :) [01:03] dont tell me i finally got something right! [01:03] imbrandon: ubuntu-irc, if you want to join [01:04] apokryphos, yea i will after lunch ( just learned about the ubotu changes and the op chan too LOL ) === imbrandon is behind sometimes [01:04] heh =) [01:04] hehe - yes, we see them. it's useful, and it meant that i knew that Riddell was attempting to add to the bot :P [01:04] the new bot is an awful lot better, so it's great stuff, yeah. [01:05] imbrandon: I'll add you as an editor now, too. [01:05] imbrandon: but you'll have to register with him first :P /msg ubotu register name password === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] apokryphos: why arent all members added as editors yet? or are they, but arent shown? [01:05] apokryphos, ok [01:05] hi kwwii [01:05] hi Hobbsee [01:05] kwwii, :) [01:06] hi pygi [01:06] moin moin everyone ;) [01:06] hi hi [01:06] Hobbsee: we're just doing it on a ask and you'll probably be added, basis. [01:06] apokryphos: right [01:06] pygi: I have done some work on the interface for bzr....sometime next week (after I get back home) we should discuss what I have done so far [01:07] kwwii, that's fine ,no worries :) [01:07] cool :-) [01:07] have you contacted that guy who wanted to help you with oxygen perhaps? :) [01:09] Riddell, from #kubuntu : [06:04] http://kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-mug.jpg <--can i buy this mug somewhere? [01:10] that's from Riddell's blog :P [01:10] kubuntu.de imbrandon [01:11] as nixternal says [01:11] or if they ever get a LinuxTag around us imbrandon we might get one there ;) [01:11] as a matter of fact..im going to LinuxDays at our local college today [01:11] pygi: to be honest, I completely forgot about that [01:11] pygi: I have been somewhat busy lately :-( [01:12] kwwii, oki, doesn't matter then [01:12] I have about 50 Ubuntu/Kubuntu CD's im taking [01:12] yup, I know you was busy :-/ [01:12] Riddell: why isn't some kubuntu stuff added to the ubuntu shop? [01:12] --> lunch === kwwii follows mornfall's lead === imbrandon follows mornfall and kwwii brb [01:12] apokryphos: ubuntu shop is just a crappy cafepress thing no? [01:13] yup [01:13] yeah, but come on, cafepress isn't that bad 8) [01:13] ya it is..i have gotten stuff from them in the past === apokryphos wishes kde had a shop [01:13] they are way to expensive..plus i don't see the need for Kubuntu g-strings [01:13] heh [01:13] imbrandon: NFI @ the latest kopete package. do we have one source, or two, or what? i thought there was only one, but i've got no idea what apachelogger was doing, and i have a suspicion that he ignored freeflying and my work, and redebianized kopete 0.12. === apokryphos saw a picture of aseigo with a g-string the other day :O [01:14] (don't worry, he had trousers on too) [01:14] apokryphos: TMI! [01:14] haha === Hobbsee doesnt want to know that :P [01:14] don't worry, it had the KDE logo [01:14] give um a yellow card Hobbsee ;) [01:14] hahah Hobbsee thats whay i was worried about too , thus my asking [01:14] Hobbsee, i'll look into it more after lunch [01:15] imbrandon: i think apachelogger took the changes that i wanted, but i've got no idea what state the package is in now, or where it is. i've got a suspicion that it is two, because i was the original debianizer, and somehow it had been changed so i wasnt. [01:15] mornfall: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageManager [01:15] Hobbsee, yea i noticed [01:15] oh i dont know. but i sure wish people would actually tell each other what they were doing, before they go and nick the semi done version, and work on it - at least an email notification or something to say "this is what it was and this is now what it is" would be nice! [01:16] right right hopefully lp brz will help with that some [01:16] word of the wise...don't allow flickr images to show "ALL" on a website...i guess i had nudey pics come across the family website last night [01:16] Mark has downloaded a .deb and wants to install it, but there's no application to do this in kubuntu. <--- right-click -> kubuntu package menu -> install? [01:16] mind you, collaborating like that is still less stupid than all separate people doing separate packages for it - but only just [01:17] apokryphos: yeah, that was working, probably still is, no idea why they dont have that listed. [01:18] Hobbsee, is the stuff on ~riddell got my your and freeflying changes ? [01:18] imbrandon: NFI, i'd have to grab the source and check [01:18] Riddell, said ther is a new package somewhere ( assuming apachelogger ) [01:18] my changes included a dep of jasper-runtime i think - something like that [01:18] imbrandon speaking of Kubuntu items like the mug...there is a lady my old man uses to have his company logo's embroidered onto shirts...she is awesome and cheap...so im going to find some good polo's maybe when i get time and ahve her make me a couple [01:18] goals on that page look really good; it'd be nice to have that stuff in [01:19] mornfall: see comments https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/adept-usability [01:19] hah. which cruel parent names their kid maisie? :P [01:19] and, is smart going to be used for the adept quick install (as in gnome-app-install)? What's going to happen on that regard? [01:20] alright, gotta get ready to go spread the Kubuntu ;) talk to you all later!!! have a good day everyone! [01:20] see ya [01:20] bye nixternal! [01:22] imbrandon: it's the latest one that apachelogger had made when I packaged it, it includes changes from you and Hobbsee [01:22] right, cool [01:22] k === Hobbsee kicks kmail. work you silly thing! [01:24] haha [01:24] stupid program. crashes when it tries to get my mail. [01:25] http://pastebin.ca/69000 === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:28] Hobbsee: what do you get if you run kmail from the command line? [01:32] apokryphos: no [01:32] mornfall: is smart going to be used at all in kubuntu? === apokryphos is interested on how exactly it'll be implemented to get biarch going [01:33] perhaps i should search the wiki :P [01:33] apokryphos: no :-) === apokryphos listens [01:33] no for "used at all" [01:34] hrm yesterday at the Smart BOF they mentioned it will be used in edgy === apokryphos is a little lost [01:35] edgy ubuntu [01:35] sure [01:35] aha, wiki, excellent [01:35] i'm not interested [01:35] mornfall: well that's what I'm talking about of course :) [01:35] so unless Riddell drops me, adept will continue the set course [01:35] apt is still to be *the* package manager in edgy [01:36] and hence so would adept 8) [01:36] it will stay that way for ever :] [01:36] probably [01:37] well [01:37] unless you volunteer to rewrite adept in python using smart [01:37] good luck with that :) [01:38] who was the person with the python-based notifier? :) [01:39] cool, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager has a lot of info [01:39] interesting, biarch compatibility isn't mentioned on there and I thought it was the main reason for using smart =) [01:39] where you got that idea? [01:40] there's at least apt-rpm that supports biarch [01:40] also [01:40] it should be noted that biarch is so useless [01:40] I know, but apt-rpm isn't great [01:40] noone cares :) [01:40] I got the idea from mark's original post to the mailing list [01:40] why is it useless? [01:40] and.........no, biarch isn't useless [01:40] whatever [01:40] it is [01:40] the ability to packaged install 32bit versions of software on a mainly 64bit system would be usefull to me numerous occasions now [01:41] care to enlighten us? [01:41] Lathiat: exactly [01:41] eventually, amd64 will unscrew theier architecture and it'll be useless again === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] hah [01:41] s/64// [01:41] mornfall: how so? [01:41] ok, sure [01:41] well, it's still useless for 95+% of cases [01:41] how is amd screwed the arch ? [01:41] so what? It still leaves that 5% which is very annoying at times [01:42] the 5% can live with chrooting [01:42] also its not just amd [01:42] hell no [01:42] iirc its usefull for sparc & powerpc too === imbrandon loves his amd64 and to install 32bit userland apps would be great [01:42] chroot is hardly an alternative [01:42] ugh no chrotting is ugliest shit in the world [01:42] and is just a patch aroudn the fact the chroot can be installed on the overall system [01:42] it's much more elegant than biarch [01:42] really [01:42] = biarch! [01:42] yea ppc64 and ppc32 [01:42] :/ [01:43] and really, other distros had biarch quite some time ago. Ubuntu/Debian really need to catch up 8) [01:43] biarch means this ugly as shit workaround for not being able to have multiple versions of an so [01:43] lib64? for fucks sacke [01:43] so what? [01:43] it couldn't be more obivous special-case workaround [01:43] sake* [01:43] mornfall, chroot is a pita for 90% of people , this is a "user friendly" distro ;) [01:43] looks very nice and tidy to me [01:43] exactly [01:43] imbrandon: plain users don't mix 64b and 32b software [01:43] yes they do [01:44] firefox is a very popualr example [01:44] becaue flash etc arent 64bit [01:44] want flash to be able to work with flash+konqueror already? Not a problem [01:44] plsu there are a number of apps that fail to work properly on 64bit [01:44] mornfall, plain uses SHOULD use a 64bit kernel and all 32bit userland stuff with the EXCEPTION being 64bit userland [01:44] Lathiat: ahem -- proprietary software? i absolutely don't care [01:44] the netflow collector software i use at work for example [01:44] see a nice package for ubuntu but the user (as a lot) didn't package it for amd64? Again, not a problem [01:44] which is free software [01:44] wine etc too [01:44] mornfall: just because you dont care, doesnt mean no one else does [01:44] so you should rephrase your opinion to [01:45] "biach is useless to me" [01:45] :) [01:45] Lathiat: oh, it means that i won't implement it :) [01:45] also i lack the ability to spell [01:45] which in turn means unless someone else implements it, it won't exist [01:45] easy : [01:45] :-) [01:45] ubuntu said it'd be implemented through smart, anyhow [01:46] feel free to rewrite all apt-based software [01:46] noone is stopping you, really === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] some people are working on the problems [01:46] (see the wiki page) [01:46] well, that includes adept [01:46] well id ont know aythign about smart [01:46] jdub & co. [01:46] i thought it was being worked on to make it work in apt? [01:46] hahaha, jdub [01:47] great [01:47] Lathiat: it's a very nice package manager :) [01:47] and dpkg [01:47] Lathiat: it works with apt just fine [01:47] hi again all [01:47] wb Hobbsee [01:47] wb Hobbsee [01:47] thanks, what'd i miss? === Hobbsee had everything freeze. [01:47] Hobbsee: small flamewar [01:47] Hobbsee: discussing the credibility of biarch/smart [01:47] Hobbsee: bickering abotyu biarch :) [01:48] see, the real-world usecases for biarch are limited to proprietary software? come on [01:48] oh darn! flamewars are fun! [01:48] you don't seriously think i should devote one hour to that [01:48] ...to read and laugh at [01:48] mornfall: no, they're not. See the other example I gave. [01:48] no its not, it is however, a use [01:48] and wine is also 32bit [01:48] and one that is important to other people, unfortunately [01:49] wine, great, another "important" usecase [01:49] I don't use it, but an awful lot of people do [01:50] just run 32bit system... really [01:50] because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect others 8) [01:50] no, if I wanted a 32bit system I'd get a 32bit processor [01:50] but its not optimized!111one1 [01:50] apokryphos: bs [01:50] Interesting, though; the move to smart appears that it'll go further than I thought [01:50] "We need to evaluate how to make a migration from apt to smart possible and painless and what features/changes are required to make smart the first-class package manager for Ubuntu." [01:51] "move"? [01:51] what mvo said: apt will stick around for long [01:51] that's all i care about [01:51] you can go and bitch about smart as much as you want [01:52] unless you actually write the kde parts that are missing, there is no point === Lathiat isn't bitching about smart, i really dont care for it at present [01:52] I'm not bitching about it, I'm echoing its praises. And really, ignoring that it has these is just silly [01:52] I love apt too, but smart evidently has some things over it [01:52] (and visa versa) [01:53] see === apokryphos is still holding out for smart build-dep [01:54] i could probably repeat [01:54] that i don't care [01:54] about biarch [01:54] at all [01:54] so telling me that i shouldn't ignore the fact smart does biarch [01:54] is sort of pointless [01:54] right? [01:54] key is that *you* don't care about biarch; many others obviously do [01:54] that's their problem [01:54] and it has more than just biarch [01:54] you didn't mention anything :) [01:55] "smarter" algorithms, but I'll leave that to you to argue with them about; I don't know, but its one of its claims === Hobbsee goes to read the rest of the flame war. [01:55]