[04:04] <jdong> what's up with edgy right now?
[04:04] <jdong> is universe syncing yet?
[04:05] <zul> jdong: most of the core-developers are in paris and its 4 am right now
[04:05] <zul> so you might not get an answer
[04:05] <jdong> k
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> What linker options are used with glibc in ubuntu?
[05:00] <sladen> bluefoxicy: apt-get source  the package and find out
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> nevermind I see
[05:00] <sladen> bluefoxicy: I think  --omg-optimised  is one of them
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> lol
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  I'm talking to someone about interesting optimizations that get major speed gains but that never got into binutils or libc because of prelink
[05:01] <whiprush_> hi paul
[05:01] <sladen> because of prelink?  or without it?
[05:02] <sladen> whiprush_: morning
[05:02] <whiprush_> sladen: you in paris?
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  Guy got my hopes up, then told me the patch never made it in :(
[05:02] <sladen> whiprush_: why yes.  Not that it's actually particularly near to Paris, somewhere next to an airport
[05:02] <whiprush_> heh
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  there's some old binutils linker switch -Bdirect that somehow makes linking a lot faster without actually prelinking, or so I gather.  The patch is probably unmaintained, and not in upstream; I thought it was in upstream, so I was gonna recommend building using it if it turns out to work as advertised.
[05:03] <whiprush_> sladen: hey if you see jdub this morning and if he has time, can you ping him about my blog feed on planet? I'm pretty sure my feed is fine, and I want to blog about the new ubuntu book buy don't want to break planet.
[05:04] <whiprush_> I'm heading to bed so I don't think I'll be able to track him down anytime soon.
[05:05] <sladen> whiprush_: I'm sure he'll notice when he wakes up.  It's a bit early and during the hours of darkness I think jdub normally sleeps in his vampire costume, so I might not want to go knocking until after breakfast... :)
[05:05] <whiprush_> sladen: heh, no problems. 
[05:05] <whiprush_> You are a gentleman and a scholar.
[05:09] <sladen> whiprush_: and a sleepy one at that
[05:33] <jkanter> exit
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> uh.  Evolution asks for my time zone.  It probably should ask the system.
[06:42] <aedwards232> When will xen be a mainstream part of Ubuntu?
[06:47] <Mithrandir> probably sometime this release cycle.
[06:47] <ajmitch> probably very soon in egdy, judging by work done already
[06:48] <ajmitch> morning Mithrandir :)
[06:48] <Mithrandir> ehlo, ajmitch 
[07:17] <G0SUB> ajmitch: how's work going on?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:29] <fabbione> morning guys
[07:30] <Hobbsee> afternoon fabbione!
[07:31] <fabbione> Hobbsee: #@!*
[07:32] <Hobbsee> fabbione: you wanted to be woken up didnt you?
[07:32] <fabbione> nope
[07:33] <fabbione> i love to enjoy my liter or so of coffee
[07:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:34] <Hobbsee> scary
[07:34] <fabbione> why is that scary?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> just the thought of drinking so much coffee in one hit...
[07:35] <Hobbsee> you must end up bouncing off the walls..
[07:37] <fabbione> no, it's not in one hit
[07:37] <fabbione> it takes about one hour
[07:37] <fabbione> and no i don't jump on walls..
[07:37] <Hobbsee> oh.  pity.  that could be kinda amusing.
[07:37] <fabbione> i used to drink much more but i did cut down a lot after quitting smoking
[07:38] <Hobbsee> ah...
[07:38] <Hobbsee> well, at least the drinking isnt likely to kill you, whereas the smoking will - so i think you quit the right thing.
[07:38] <fabbione> that really depends..
[07:39] <fabbione> my grand-grand-mother died 105 years old, smoking 40 cigarettes (of the worst quality) each day
[07:39] <fabbione> she just felt asleep on couch
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ack
[07:39] <fabbione> i can also tell you of my huncle that dies of cancer 30 years old. He didn't smoke, drink or anything
[07:39] <fabbione> so it's a matter of "luck"
[07:40] <fabbione> i did quit only because i am going to be father in about 3 weeks
[07:40] <fabbione> and i am not doing it for me because i love smoking
[07:40] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[07:41] <fabbione> Hobbsee: fair enough :) both my parents were heavy smokers..
[07:41] <fabbione> so it didn't make much of a diff when i started
[07:42] <Hobbsee> true
[07:43] <Hobbsee> actually, i dont care if people do smoke - just if they have a smoke, then they come and breathe over me, then they'd better expect me to whinge and whine and hit them till they go away...oh, and hit them in the arm till they do.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> my boss knows this :P
[07:46] <Hobbsee>  /end rant
[07:46] <fabbione> :)
[07:48] <Hobbsee> heh, thanks Yagisan 
[07:49] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: no worries. For some reason I wasn't using it today, so I though you could get some use out of it
[07:49] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: you sure LaserJock couldnt use it again?  he was doing so well with it yesterday!
[07:51] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I must have missed that. I've been running around like a headless chook getting my uni stuff done
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: ah, fun.  it was over him saying i needed to become a MOTU so i could become the MOTU calendar girl.
[07:52] <Hobbsee> enough said, really :P
[07:52] <fabbione> Hobbsee: i am not that evil.. but i can be much worst :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> haha, right, i'll have to remember that.
[07:56] <fabbione> eheh
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon_ 
[08:04] <Hobbsee> in the sources list, why are we making this happen?  # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: 
[08:05] <Hobbsee> surely that just causes more problems, when the internet connection finally is gotten, but cant find any packages.
[08:08] <fabbione> Hobbsee: otherwise apt will refuse to install stage 2 (desktop)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> fabbione: ah, i see.  and why do we have multiverse listed as part of backports, but not just normally multiverse?  
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm...that didnt seem to make much sense.
[08:10] <fabbione> is it?
[08:10] <fabbione> i didn't notice
[08:10] <fabbione> but backport is disabled by default due to its.. *special* nature
[08:10] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:10] <Hobbsee> really, multiverse should either be in multiple locations, or taken out fully
[08:11] <fabbione> Hobbsee: agreed.. file a wishlist bug on apt-setup (installler)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> its so confusing to users who say "yes, i've got multiverse enabled, i can see it" who we then have to say "well, actually, that's backports multiverse, the multiverse you're really looking for is this multiverse"
[08:11] <Hobbsee> so the package is apt-setup?
[08:12] <fabbione> yeps
[08:13] <Hobbsee> fabbione: is that where you mean, or i havent found the correct thing yet? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/apt-setup/+bugs
[08:14] <fabbione> yeah that one
[08:14] <Hobbsee> cool, thanks :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> fabbione: done, thanks :)
[08:34] <fabbione> no problem
[08:35] <Hobbsee> weird that we cant set the status of our own bug though.
[08:35] <fabbione> morning mdz
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hi mdz 
[08:35] <dsas> Hobbsee: You need to be in the bugsquad to do that now I think.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> dsas: ah, okay, interesting.  might have to join that then, as i tend to deal with a lot of the kde bugs.
[08:39] <mdz> morning
[08:47] <Mithrandir> mdz: why does /schedule/$today give me a 403?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir 
[08:48] <Mithrandir> hiya Hobbsee.
[08:48] <Mithrandir> How's Sydney today?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: okay, i went shopping :)
[08:51] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you girl. ;-)
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:52] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: found anything interesting?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, two jackets and a light
[08:52] <Mithrandir> light as in torch?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:52] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[08:52] <Hobbsee> morning TheMuso!
[08:57] <jsgotangco> good mornig
[08:57] <Hobbsee> hi mdke!
[08:57] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[08:58] <desrt> hello, world.
[08:58] <desrt> hello, city
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hi desrt, from a green bug eyed monster from outer space.
[08:58] <desrt> is that you?
[08:58] <desrt> or just a friend?
[08:59] <desrt> i see....
[09:40] <janimo> jdub: dholbach: daniel told me you have a wikipage gathering ideas to talk about with gnome upstream at guadec?
[09:40] <dholbach> janimo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffWaugh/GUADEC2006 or something
[09:40] <janimo> dholbach: thanks
[09:41] <janimo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffWaugh/Guadec2006
[09:58] <mdke> Znarl: yo?
[10:07] <Kagou> hi
[10:23] <TheMuso> highvoltage: ping
[10:23] <highvoltage> TheMuso: pong
[10:24] <TheMuso> highvoltage: Henrik was wondering whether you were going to attend the access.ubuntu.com bof?
[10:24] <jsgotangco> GO HERE NOW
[10:24] <jsgotangco> =)
[10:24] <highvoltage> ok, be right there
[10:31] <siretart> wow. adding teams to a team makes launchpad quite noisy...
[10:31] <Lathiat> i like the To: a, b, c
[10:31] <Lathiat> thats a bit dodge :\
[10:41] <LaserJock> siretart: those emails are a bit cryptic too, it took a while for me to figure out what the heck the id of the new team was
[10:41] <LaserJock> LP thing I guess
[10:43] <siretart> LaserJock: I didn't remember that lp is that noisy. next time I will provide a comment in the textfield
[10:44] <siretart> but this won't be too soon, I hope
[10:44] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:01] <TheMuso> Kamion: Do you have that patch fot ehatspi stuf somewhere where I can grab it?
[12:07] <Riddell> TheMuso: can we look at kubuntu-accessibility at 17:00?
[12:08] <Riddell> anyone got sight of mvo?
[12:08] <TheMuso> Riddell: Sure thing. I'm free.
[12:08] <Riddell> TheMuso: is henrick around for you to ask too?
[12:08] <TheMuso> Not atm. he went to have a rest, I don't think he is feeling that great today.
[12:09] <TheMuso> He said he would probably see me after lunch, so the est thing we can do is ask him then I think.
[12:09] <jsgotangco> s/that great/not that great
[12:09] <Riddell> TheMuso: ok
[12:09] <TheMuso> He is free according ot the schedule.
[12:09] <TheMuso> thanks jsgotangco 
[12:30] <shawarma> w/in 8
[12:30] <shawarma> argh...
[12:36] <jdub> elmo: ping
[12:38] <yosch> here is the list of OFL fonts: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL_fonts
[12:38] <doko> jdub: you can even use ttf-gentium on Ubuntu, it's *not* optimized for gentoo ;-P
[12:42] <jdub> GENTIUM, OPTIMISED FOR GENTOO USING GENTLEMENT
[12:42] <jdub> WHO LIVE IN GENT
[12:42] <jdub> (bah on beligians for pronouncing that so badly)
[12:42] <jdub> belgians
[12:42] <jdub> ha ha
[12:43] <Lathiat> Error: cannot open /dev/mixer: device not found
[12:44] <StevenK> And here I was wondering why mdz is in France.
[12:44] <StevenK> And then my brain kicked in.
[02:14] <jvw> is there any work going on on forwarding bugs in launchpad to debian where appropriate? I just discovered a couple of bugs were filed on packages I maintain in Debian, but those reports haven't reached debian yet, one of them being from august 2005. Since those bugs are just as relevant for Debian too and could've been solved if they were known, it'd be cool if they were forwarded, esp. when there's no ubuntu activity on the bug for let's say ...
[02:14] <jvw> ... half a year?
[02:15] <fabbione> jvw: you want to talk to bradb on #launchpad
[02:16] <fabbione> the definition of appropriate is really delicate as you can imagine yourself
[02:16] <jvw> yeah, I'm aware of the discussions/flames...
[02:17] <jvw> maybe something like 'try to file the bug with debian' as automatic comment after a certain amount of inactivity?
[02:17] <azeem> there was talk about setting up a list similar to LowThresholdNMU, so you could forwar bugs to a whitelist of DDs
[02:18] <fabbione> jvw: as i said it's best if you talk to bradb
[02:18] <fabbione> there can be tons of different implemenations i think
[02:19] <fabbione> but the major point is exactly what azeem mentioned.. how DD's would like to receive the info?
[02:19] <fabbione> assuming they want it, and if not how to filter.. blablablablablabla*flame*blablabla*flame*etc...
[02:19] <azeem> or there could be a feature "subribe me to all bugs reports affecting packages maintained by me in Debian"
[02:19] <azeem> subscribe
[02:19] <fabbione> azeem: exactly.. there can be tons of different implementation
[02:19] <fabbione> but bradb is the malone god :)
[02:20] <zul> azeem: there is already for inidividual packages i think
[02:21] <jvw> the PTS now supports getting derivative bugs/upload notifications etc that are seperately disableble/enableble
[02:59] <TheMuso> Riddell: Oh BTW, will we have the Bof at Henrik's table? I still haven't seen him yet.
[03:01] <simira> someone: is +35 france phone number?
[03:01] <mdke> I think it's 31
[03:01] <lucas> 33
[03:02] <lucas> +33 [drop the leading zero] 
[03:02] <jsgotangco> you win!
[03:02] <lucas> I'm french, so ... :)
[03:06] <spacey> +31 is the netherlands
[03:06] <simira> wonder who called me from Cyprus...
[03:09] <Riddell> TheMuso: the gap in the schedule is for Atlas 4/1, but we can do it with at heno's if he's around
[03:09] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hi simira 
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:36] <seb128> mdz: could you assign gst-to-umbrella to me on launchpad?
[04:05] <TheMuso> Has anybody seen Henrik at all since lunch?
[04:05] <Riddell> TheMuso: he's just coming in now
[04:05] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[04:05] <Riddell> TheMuso: he's at atlas 1
[04:06] <TheMuso> np
[04:06] <TheMuso> Was not sure whether he was around.
[04:06] <TheMuso> Do you want me to ask him about kubuntu a11y?
[04:07] <Riddell> TheMuso: please do sure, in an hour
[04:07] <TheMuso> Yep, will do.
[05:05] <Riddell> jdub: is your bof going to finish soon?
[05:05] <Riddell> we need to borrow henrick
[05:07] <jsgotangco> its becoming a stalemate
[05:07] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: it wasnt before? 
[05:08] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: was anything agreed on?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> its always been like that :/
[05:08] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: to get the guy on the phone tomorrow instead.
[05:08] <jsgotangco> but roald is here and great to have him around
[05:08] <ajmitch> yes, I saw that
[05:13] <TheMuso> What spec was that?
[05:14] <ajmitch> forums stuff
[05:14] <TheMuso> oh ok.
[05:24] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:50] <Mithrandir> lifeless: is there a way for me to get the diff which would result if I did bzr merge?
[05:50] <Mithrandir> so bzr merge ; bzr diff ; bzr revert, except bzr revert doesn't always work.
[05:50] <pitti> Mithrandir: why not just do it and revert --no-backups later?
[05:50] <pitti> Mithrandir: oh
[05:50] <Mithrandir> pitti: because revert doesn't always revert properly.
[05:50] <Mithrandir> I can't remember the failure cases, but there are bugs filed.
[05:54] <lifeless> Mithrandir: bzr rever should always work
[05:54] <lifeless> Mithrandir: bug #'s ?
[05:58] <Mithrandir> lifeless: I can't find it now.
[05:58] <lifeless> assume its fixed then
[05:58] <pitti> Mithrandir: I had troubles in the past as well and filed bugs, but they got fixed a while ago
[06:01] <jbailey> sivang: ping
[06:09] <Mithrandir> Kinnison: adding it into bterm however.. :-)
[06:12] <Kinnison> Mithrandir: *g*
[07:07] <Keybuk> BenC: ping
[07:09] <BenC> Keybuk: pong
[07:09] <Keybuk> BenC: speakup
[07:09] <Keybuk> have you read the spec?
[07:09] <BenC> I can't talk any louder
[07:10] <BenC> Keybuk: not lately
[07:10] <bddebian> heh
[07:10] <BenC> I read over it when the BoF was happening, but not since
[07:11] <Keybuk> could you do it quickly, if you're not busy
[07:11] <BenC> yeah, pulling it up now
[07:14] <BenC> Keybuk: looks pretty much like what I heard at the BoF, the only thing new that I wasn't aware of before (and it's pretty obvious if you think about it) is the need for sound driver udeb's
[07:15] <BenC> Keybuk: I have speakup in the kernel already, and building nicely with udeb, so it's mainly userspace that needs to be done for this spec
[07:15] <Keybuk> ok
[07:20] <Keybuk> BenC: are the hardware synthesisers really not PCI?
[07:20] <Keybuk> I'm confused by the bit in the spec talking about loading modules named in a configuration file at a particular point in the boot
[07:20] <Keybuk> cause that's BROKEN
[07:20] <TheMuso> Keybuk: No. Mostly serial and internal ISA
[07:20] <Keybuk> meh
[07:21] <Keybuk> ok, so the bus is broken too :p
[07:21] <BenC> Keybuk: what Muso said
[07:21] <TheMuso> Actually, all are serial and internal ISA. Only one driver is for software speech use, which just spits the output back to userspace.
[07:21] <BenC> by default it will load a software synth which would work in any case where they have a sound card
[07:22] <Keybuk> right-o
[07:22] <BenC> TheMuso: here's a question, can more than one synth be loaded at a time?
[07:22] <TheMuso> BenC: No.
[07:22] <BenC> is that enforced, or is it just hoped that no one will do it? :)
[07:22] <TheMuso> That would require a complete redesign of the synth and proc subsystem.
[07:23] <TheMuso> It is inforced pretty much. When speakup is running, one can change synths by echoing the synth name to /proc/speakup/synth_name
[07:23] <TheMuso> Speakup then goes and brings up the requested driver.
[07:23] <BenC> ah, so you can load all the synths and pick one on the fly?
[07:23] <BenC> I'm guessing a few of them need module_params though
[07:24] <TheMuso> My guess is the authors didn't think multiple synths simultaneously would be really needed.
[07:24] <TheMuso> No they don't.
[07:24] <BenC> I can't see that it would be needed either, just wondering how it handled it
[07:24] <TheMuso> They just probe for serial ports or ports that the ISA card would be sitting on.
[07:24] <TheMuso> It would be nice to get the serial synths one day to use the tty subsystem, so that things such as serial to usb adapters can be used for synths.
[07:24] <BenC> hmm, a full-on "if speakup userspace is loaded, load all synth drivers" type deal would be nice then :)
[07:25] <TheMuso> BenC: Not atm. If a synth driver is loaded, speakup starts its keyboard capture.
[07:25] <TheMuso> If synth_name is set to none, no keyboard capture is performed.
[07:26] <TheMuso> But you couldn't load all drivers anyway. They bail out if they can't find a synth.
[07:26] <TheMuso> Except for the softsynth driver.
[07:29] <TheMuso> Anyway, time to pack up for dinner. If you want to talk about it more, catch me at dinner or some time later if you like.
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> mdke: thee community docs link from the help.ubuntu.com/606/ site 404's because it points to 606/community rather than /community
[07:40] <Znarl> HiddenWolf : That's my fault, I plan to fix it shortly.
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> Znarl: ah, ok, no problem
[08:17] <XMuffinFlavoredX> Hello.
[08:21] <XMuffinFlavoredX> Dead chat?
[08:21] <mikearthur> how would I go about making a self-compiled kernel image fill the dependency for linux-image?
[08:22] <XMuffinFlavoredX> I have a suqestion similar. How would I get the restricted modules required for Nvidia drivers with a newer kernel.
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> Guys, try #ubuntu-kernel
[08:22] <XMuffinFlavoredX> Thanks.
[08:24] <mikearthur> cheers
[09:05] <mdke> HiddenWolf: yes.
[09:05] <HiddenWolf> mdke: znarl is fixing it, never mind. :)
[09:05] <mdke> HiddenWolf: yes
[09:07] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  do you know if anything in Ubuntu is built with -Wl,-O1?
[09:08] <bluefoxicy> I'm looking at performance improving stuff... I've never really benched the linker optimization though
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> oh holy crap
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> that doubled my load speed
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> about 38% load speed gain sweet.
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Lnhs6k53.html  How's that?  :)
[09:50] <bluefoxicy> huh.  Looks like it's done already
[09:55] <TheMuso> sladen: Do you still happen to have those espeak changes you made handy in regards to it trying to find the espeak-data folder? If so, would you mind sending me a diff, or at least a pointer to the file you changed and how you changed it? Thanks.
[09:59] <tseng> bluefoxicy: we have been using -Wl,01 since warty
[09:59] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  on just a few things?
[10:03] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  is there an easier way for me to verify this besides building crap and watching text fly past my screen?
[10:13] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: yes.
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> yes what hi?
[10:14] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: answering your mailing list question
[10:14] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  Is it supposed to happen whet *I* build things?
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> because for the life of me I can't make it
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot spits out no text containing -Wl,-O or anything for gcrypt or coreutils (checked with grep -e "-Wl,-O")
[10:17] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: depends, do you have gcc-opt installed?
[10:17] <bluefoxicy> I've also grepped /usr/lib and /usr/bin for the string (looking for wrappers) 
[10:17] <bluefoxicy> oh
[10:17] <bluefoxicy> I need a separate package for that?
[10:18] <Keybuk> http://librarian.launchpad.net/2796588/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.nautilus_2.14.1-0ubuntu9_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[10:18] <Keybuk> e.g.
[10:18] <Keybuk> LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
[10:18] <Keybuk> (grep it)
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> got it
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> nautilus-2.14.1/debian/rules:13:DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV += LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  seems to be per-package.
[10:20] <Keybuk> could be
[10:20] <Keybuk> most of the gnome ones, at leat
[10:20] <Keybuk> (I picked that one at random)
[10:21] <Keybuk> modify the gcc defaults?
[10:21] <msw> anyone seen lifeless?
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> I meant for ubuntu's build system o_o
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  although if you WANT to go spec hacking  :)
[10:21] <Keybuk> msw: probably playing mao
[10:21] <msw> ah
[10:22] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: I don't especially
[10:22] <msw> spec hacking is evil
[10:22] <Keybuk> specs are evil
[10:22] <msw> Keybuk: oh?
[10:23] <msw> Keybuk: the "link it all together" hack?
[10:23] <Keybuk> msw: worse :p
[10:26] <tseng> Keybuk: i think -Wl,-O1 is probably in ENV on the buildd's
[10:27] <tseng> Keybuk: i would bet on it, actually
[10:27] <Keybuk> tseng: it used to be in our insane gcc wrapper scripts
[10:27] <Keybuk> it probably still is
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  help me beat -Bdirect into Drepper's skull :>  (no not really, I don't understand it enough to try yet...)
[10:31] <tseng> Drepper is a genius
[10:31] <tseng> you are not.
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> oh how would you know.
[10:31] <tseng> because I've known you for 4 years
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> heh
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> Ask a silly question
[10:33] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-10/msg00436.html http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114008
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Can't be used in Ubuntu, at all.  Not part of glibc or binutils mainline, probably at this point fading away due to lack of maintainer interest since upstream is hard up for "prelink is better than this"
[10:34] <tseng> I maintain that upstream might actually know something that you don't
[10:34] <tseng> I am not motivated atm to prove it to you
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> I'm rather certain they do, but they're not interested in telling anyone what that something may be.  On the other hand, a few other known geniuses like -Bdirect as well.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> (other i.e. other than drepper; you're indeed right, I don't exactly have a genius star nailed above my door ;)
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> but it doesn't matter, like I said.  Upstream will never go for it, it's ill maintained now, it had implementation bugs that I don't know if they ever got fixed, and interest in it is dead.  Time to search for other things that might do nicely.
[10:39] <Keybuk> openoffice.org build-deps THE ENTIRE FUCKING ARCHIVE
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> XD
[10:39] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  no space left on device?
[10:41] <Keybuk> I had to download a FUCKING GIGABYTE into a chroot just to build it!
[10:41] <_ion> Build-Depends: *
[10:41] <_ion> A wildcard! :-)
[10:42] <fabbione> Keybuk: be grateful it doesn't build-dep on mono .. yet :)
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: ugh
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: isn't python, java and whatever else it uses enough already? 
[10:44] <fabbione> HiddenWolf: well OOo has mono bindings but we can't enable them
[10:45] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: just curious, has the beagle-by-default proposal been discussed yet?
[10:45] <Keybuk> HiddenWolf: which beagle-by-default proposal?
[10:45] <fabbione> HiddenWolf: no idea. i am not in Paris
[10:46] <Keybuk> or is this a "forums proposal" ?
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk: well, the "we want beagle installed" proposals that zoom around the wiki
[10:46] <Keybuk> (like "forums bugs" ... the ones everyone knows about but nobody has actually reported!)
[10:46] <fabbione> HiddenWolf: if it's not tracked in LP it will never be discussed and the deadline for paris was 10 days ago or more
[10:46] <fabbione> so no
[10:47] <fabbione> there is no chance it will be
[10:47] <Keybuk> Launchpad doesn't (yet) do ESP
[10:47] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle*
[10:47] <Keybuk> you can't think hard about what you want, and have it automatically registered
[10:47] <fabbione> Keybuk: not yet? tsk.. lp slackers..
[10:48] <Keybuk> fabbione: it would be nice, but it pales in comparison to the soul-crushing pain of other things
[10:48] <Keybuk> DO NOT DISTRACT THE SOYUZ TWINS
[10:48] <fabbione> KaiL: agreed
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk: fabbione, never mind me. :)
[10:49] <fabbione> HiddenWolf: we forgive you
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beagle-integration <- like this, btw. :)
[10:50] <fabbione> Priority: Low. <- unliely to be even discussed
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> hm. :)
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> I'm just a bit emotionally averse to .dll's and .exe's, don't mind me again. :)
[10:51] <Keybuk> HiddenWolf: nobody proposed it for this meeting
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk: ah, ok
[11:20] <SeanTater> for those interested, I've accumulated about three bugs in about 10 minutes (three different people)
[11:20] <SeanTater> never heard of it, told to report http://rafb.net/paste/results/u5d5hM97.html
[11:21] <SeanTater> where might I find a useful log for arts, it's had two memory leaks lately..
[11:22] <Gadi> So, does anyone have an (edu)buntu server going with RAID5, an adaptec 2005S RAID controller, and dapper?
[11:23] <Gadi>  kernel seems to like to panic on any newer version than hoary :(
[11:23] <Gadi>  and, presumably the dpt_i2o bug was fixed in the latest kernel....
[11:23] <Gadi> actually, its a 2010S
[11:23] <Gadi> but, same difference