[12:49] <MidMark> Riddell and sebas: reopen bug #39444 definitely not fixed well
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[12:50] <MidMark> see last two comments, they are two different cases
[03:26] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:27] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee :)
[03:27] <jjesse> its evening for me 
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse :)  how are you doing?
[03:27] <jjesse> Hobbsee: doing well, missing most of the confrence stuff due to work
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ah, darn!
[03:28] <jjesse> yeah :(
[03:28] <jjesse> how are things going there?
[03:28] <jjesse> wait you aren't there are u
[03:28] <crimsun> I doubt she'd be online right now if she were.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[03:29] <jjesse> grin forgot
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you're not the first person to forget - i had someone telling me that they were jealous of me, cos i was in paris
[03:29] <Hobbsee> so i had to say...um...well...i'm not, actually...
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee:  can always come to visit me in canada for a vacation
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:31] <freeflying|away> morning all
[03:31] <linuxmonkey> no need for a passport if your in the US
[03:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: one of the paris guys *is* awake
[03:31] <linuxmonkey>  https://launchpad.net/people/linuxmonkey <--now laught at my hackergotchi
[03:32] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: were are you at?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: sydney australia
[03:32] <linuxmonkey> kool koala :)
[03:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sure, I'm saying I doubt /you/ would be awake.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> but yeah, it migth be getting a little late by now...
[03:33] <Hobbsee> depends what was happening, too
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[03:35] <nixternal> hello...can you see this?
[03:35] <jjesse> see you typing?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nope
[03:35] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: did you check out my hackergotchi
[03:35] <nixternal> gahaha
[03:35] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: i did
[03:35] <nixternal> Lag: 110s
[03:35] <nixternal> konversation is hosered on me
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hah, great
[03:35] <nixternal> heya Hobbsee
[03:36] <nixternal> heya jjesse
[03:36] <nixternal> Switching from Windows going to be a no go?
[03:36] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[03:36] <jjesse> i don't know haven't read my ubuntu-doc email much as i'm on the road right now, i would still like it to be
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> ive been forced to use windows at work :( but at home I havent touched windows in 4 weeks :)
[03:37] <nixternal> well...the replies havn't all been positive...but I think once people fully understand it, then that will change
[03:37] <jjesse> linuxmonkey: I only use kubuntu right now in a virtual machine
[03:38] <nixternal> im going to put windows on a vm so i can do that "switching from windows" documentation stuff for Kubuntu
[03:38] <nixternal> i believe i replied with some ideas that would be good..like if you are used to office switching to OOo or KO
[03:38] <nixternal> and what not
[03:38] <jjesse> nixternal: awesome
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> jjesse: what do u run normally
[03:38] <nixternal> gotta do my documentation since i can't code just yet ;)
[03:39] <nixternal> i can do xml and docbooks though
[03:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'll remember that :P
[03:39] <nixternal> doh
[03:39] <Hobbsee> you can do the documentations for all the packages :P
[03:39] <jjesse> linuxmonkey: i normally run windows for my work machine
[03:39] <nixternal> i forgot the channel im in...i thought i was in -doc
[03:39] <Hobbsee> as they get debianised, and put into ubuntu
[03:39] <jjesse> at home i run kubuntu
[03:39] <linuxmonkey> cool i cant even run a vm at work
[03:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i am not a full fledged docteam member just yet, so i am just an aide ;)  im not full time yet LOL
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <nixternal> i know that is a horrible try at an excuse
[03:40] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: rush his application so we can keep him busy and away from the children
[03:40] <nixternal> i have been playing with docbooks layout and made my own phoney help...it is funny
[03:40] <jjesse> nixternal: you can still create documentation for theprograms that are missing
[03:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:40] <nixternal> ahhh thanks jjesse for clarifying that in front of Hobbsee ;)
[03:40] <Riddell> blurg
[03:41] <jjesse> blurg back
[03:41] <nixternal> goto sleep Riddell ;)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell!
[03:41] <jjesse> evening Riddell
[03:41] <linuxmonkey> omg its Riddell , everybody hide
[03:41] <Riddell> very good idea nixternal 
[03:41] <Hobbsee> why arent you asleep?
[03:41] <nixternal> Riddell just stumbled to the keyboard ;)
[03:41] <Riddell> we just got back after circling paris for half the night
[03:41] <nixternal> oh wow...quarter til 4...you will be hurting tomorrow
[03:41] <nixternal> or today
[03:41] <jjesse> were you up with jdub?
[03:41] <Riddell> no
[03:41] <linuxmonkey> Riddell: i just read you interview on behindubuntu... quite funny
[03:42] <Hobbsee> oh, so that's why jdub's still up.
[03:42] <nixternal> lol
[03:42] <Riddell> I've not seen jdub
[03:42] <jjesse> oh was just wondering cause you both are up and on irc
[03:42] <nixternal> probably out with jgotangco
[03:42] <jjesse> or his gf?
[03:42] <linuxmonkey> lol they left jdub in the middle of paris to fend for himself
[03:42] <nixternal> or ya...the gf
[03:43] <nixternal> i just pictured an old cartoon of tom & jerry in france...and then jdub
[03:43] <nixternal> i can't stop laughing
[03:43] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:43] <Riddell> it's mjg59's girlfriend
[03:43] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[03:43] <Riddell> anyway, to bed I go
[03:43] <Hobbsee> fiona
[03:43] <Hobbsee> night Riddell, for a few more hours
[03:44] <nixternal> g'nite Riddell see you in a few hours for UDS ;)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:44] <nixternal> gahaha
[03:44] <nixternal> wow..look at the power of Hobbsee
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you could just chuck an all nighter, you know :P
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:45] <crimsun> all nighters suck. I just did one.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:46] <nixternal> i came close to one the other night..i couldnt' sleep at all
[03:46] <nixternal> did maybe 2 hours of tossing and turning...got up, made coffee and bug squashed
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ouchy ouchy ouch.  i think i might have to call in sick to work tonight, and i might not be typing much today...
[03:46] <crimsun> d'oh
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> what happened Hobbsee
[03:47] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: dunno, my wrist is screwed and hurting (again)
[03:48] <linuxmonkey> thats stinks
[03:54] <Hobbsee> rather.  oh well.
[03:55] <jjesse> i'm probablly going to get this adept guide written mornfall is going to have a new version :(
[03:55] <nixternal> if i was your boss..im not falling for the hurt wrist technique, as teenage boys are using that excuse all over the world
[03:56] <Hobbsee> um, nixternal...i'm a female :P
[03:56] <nixternal> no your not..i seen the pic you sent me the other night ;)
[03:56] <jjesse> yeah don't mess with sarah
[03:57] <nixternal> girls are icky anyways ;)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:57] <nixternal> that is the new coders slogan since they are getting younger and younger
[03:57] <nixternal> the next big linux distro will be by a 12yo with pimples and braces and still thinks that girls are icky
[03:57] <jjesse> what package do i have to have installed to use spell check in kate?
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:58] <jjesse> hmm never mind
[03:58] <nixternal> jjesse: tools
[03:58] <nixternal> ;)
[03:58] <nixternal> you don't use kate for docbooks?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> * nixternal has left the chat (requested by hobbsee)
[03:58] <crimsun> I think we're making a grave mistake by not targeting the omgponies/barbie demographic
[03:59] <nixternal> ;)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> crimsun: haha.  you should have seen mithandir's screenshot
[03:59] <Hobbsee> a few days ago in u-devel
[03:59] <nixternal> oh lord...crimsun and ponies..LOL
[03:59] <Hobbsee> now *that* woudl be the people we should target, surely...
[04:00] <jjesse> yeah us older developers then would probablly have to register on some list
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <RadiantFire> zOmG p0n13s!
[04:00] <imbrandon> *looks up* ponies ?!?
[04:01] <imbrandon> hrm eventual some -devel or -motu will make a ponies theme
[04:01] <imbrandon> eventualy*
[04:01] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: NO PONY FOR YOU!
[04:02] <RadiantFire> lol
[04:02] <RadiantFire> i really want to go try and gimp up a "pony theme" now
[04:02] <RadiantFire> I just had an inspiration
[04:03] <RadiantFire> lol
[04:03] <Hobbsee> now crimsun!  look what you've started!
[04:04] <linuxmonkey> oh well
[04:05] <crimsun> hey now, I was just considering the forgotten segment of the *buntu demographic
[04:05] <imbrandon> ./msg chanserv access #kubuntu-devel list
[04:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yeah, just checked.
[04:11] <jjesse> when is the next meeting?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: 26th or so?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> see /topic
[04:12] <Hobbsee> 2100UTC - i think that's the last time i can do a meeting at that time.
[04:12] <jjesse> i haven't had a chance to make it to one of them
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what time is that for you?
[04:13] <linuxmonkey> i'll be there :) im off on mondays
[04:13] <jjesse> i'm -5
[04:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> current time?
[04:14] <linuxmonkey> its 2;14AM UTC if i'm correct
[04:14] <linuxmonkey> right now
[04:15] <imbrandon> @time us/central
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Current time in US/Central: June 22 2006, 21:15:07
[04:15] <linuxmonkey> i got Local, Paris and UTC set in my Kubuntu Clock :)
[04:15] <linuxmonkey> @time utc
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 23 2006, 02:15:58
[04:16] <jjesse> @time us/eastern
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Current time in US/Eastern: June 22 2006, 22:16:06
[04:16] <jjesse> eastern is me :)
[04:16] <linuxmonkey> @time ca/atlantic
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok, so that's a decent timezone for you, you just cant make it
[04:17] <jjesse> for me?  yeah just can't make it
[04:18] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[04:19] <Hobbsee> so a reasonably sane timezone is kinda useful - as i cant vote if i'm not awake, and if htey dont have quorum, then not a lot can happen.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> breakfast time.
[04:22] <freeflying|away> @schedule Shanghai
[04:24] <imbrandon> crimsun / Hobbsee : http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/ponies1.png
[04:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: this is the -devel channel i thought ;)
[04:24] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, that only works in -meeting
[04:24] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ^_^ 
[04:24] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kwwii: would love seeing that hhee
[04:25] <imbrandon> heh
[04:25] <jjesse> is kwwii around?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> dunno - he's signed in
[04:25] <Hobbsee> can you just imagine someone demanding that to be the newest background?
[04:26] <nixternal> better than bubbles
[04:26] <imbrandon> heh
[04:28] <imbrandon> bubbles was the default wallpaper in win95 ;)
[04:28] <imbrandon> and kde2
[04:28] <jjesse> and it was ugly
[04:28] <crimsun> totally needs more pink in the title bar of the window manager theme
[04:28] <imbrandon> hahahah yea crimsun ;)
[04:29] <RadiantFire> crimsun: zomg pon1es!
[04:29] <RadiantFire> they're back
[04:29] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: have you rebuild amarok-1.4.1
[04:29] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, yea but no gst
[04:29] <imbrandon> couldnt get it working right last night'
[04:30] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: give me your archives, let more test it 
[04:30] <imbrandon> freeflying|away, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/
[04:30] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: thanks
[04:30] <imbrandon> source is there too
[04:31] <imbrandon> if you get it working let me know i'll rebuild it there and put up ppc and amd64 also
[04:32] <imbrandon> that should build in a clean dapper chroot , no need for kde 3.5.3
[04:35] <imbrandon> uht oh
[04:36] <jjesse> i didn't know you left :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:43] <nixternal> you goin' to work Hobbsee?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think so, but not yet
[04:47] <Hobbsee> not for hours yet
[04:48] <nixternal> i need some ice cream
[04:48] <nixternal> a nice big butter pecan sugar cone, 4 scoops...mmmmm
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:59] <Hobbsee> oh dear it went quiet.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> what should i do today?
[05:00] <nixternal> mm that was good
[05:00] <nixternal> how about code ;)
[05:00] <imbrandon> install linux on my iPod ?
[05:00] <nixternal> give me some work to do
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fix the documentation.  i want documentation on how to merge, etc.
[05:01] <nixternal> i think im gonna do some squashing tonight
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:02] <nixternal> dont' feel bad
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: will write us a guide, i'm sure...
[05:02] <imbrandon> look at the debian code , look at the ubuntu changes , see if they are still needed , if they are merge ;) if not sync ;)
[05:02] <nixternal> is there a spec for the guide at all? has it been brought up
[05:03] <nixternal> ahhh..i know what you are referring to now
[05:03] <nixternal> i still don't know how to do it
[05:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, yes and yes
[05:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: define merge - does that mean sticking it up on revu?
[05:03] <nixternal> point me to it imbrandon
[05:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, probbly since you/me dont have motu upload ;)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> true
[05:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, point you to what? the spec ?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> depends who i'm sending to
[05:04] <nixternal> you got it
[05:04] <nixternal> you said yes and yes
[05:04] <nixternal> im to busy to look ;)
[05:04] <imbrandon> its with the other specs for paris, please dont make me search lp for you ;)
[05:04] <nixternal> oh...and i am in some stupid c sharp class so i can program .net garbage...but will .net coding work with mono?
[05:05] <nixternal> lol imbrandon get to searchin' :)
[05:05] <imbrandon> nixternal, 1) .net isnt garbage and 2) yes mono is .net 2.0 compatible
[05:05] <nixternal> i asked the professor and he is a retard
[05:05] <nixternal> he is like what is mono...im like you idiot..you think microsoft is the onlything doing .net compliancy
[05:05] <nixternal> i should kill you for recommending it
[05:06] <nixternal> unless of course i can do it for nix
[05:06] <nixternal> ;)
[05:06] <imbrandon> c# is a ieee standard thus mono and ms.net and Pnet all are compatable
[05:06] <nixternal> .net all part of the evil empire ;)
[05:06] <imbrandon> and all compile and run the same code , you can compile on linux and run on windows and compile on windows and run on linux etc
[05:07] <nixternal> ok cool
[05:07] <nixternal> thats all i needed to know
[05:07] <imbrandon> .net not this time, stop preconcieving things, c# was put up for standarization
[05:07] <imbrandon> its binary compatable ;)
[05:07] <nixternal> and the c++ classes im in use vs..
[05:07] <imbrandon> see not thats eveil
[05:07] <imbrandon> evil
[05:07] <imbrandon> anyhow brb
[05:08] <nixternal> c++ confuses the hell out of me cuz i learned it years ago with visual studio, but ...
[05:08] <nixternal> oh perfect time to leave
[05:08] <crimsun> err
[05:08] <nixternal> right in the middle of a question
[05:08] <crimsun> since when did C# become an IEEE-ratified standard?
[05:08] <imbrandon> crimsun, long ago
[05:08] <imbrandon> 2002 ?
[05:08] <imbrandon> some where in there
[05:09] <crimsun> I know it's an ECMA standard (334)
[05:09] <crimsun> but IEEE?
[05:09] <imbrandon> hrm maybe ecma /me is tired
[05:10] <crimsun> I see ISO/IEC 23270, too
[05:10] <imbrandon> point was to nix that mono and pnet and .net are all binary compatible
[05:10] <nixternal> ieee = electronics standards
[05:10] <imbrandon> right right
[05:10] <nixternal> imbrandon: b4 you go
[05:10] <nixternal> c++...how different between the platforms?
[05:11] <nixternal> because unfortunately i will be using it in windows for this project
[05:11] <imbrandon> depends 
[05:11] <imbrandon> but it can be VERY
[05:11] <nixternal> but i wanna code ;)
[05:11] <imbrandon> hell c++ can be diffrent for diffrent compilers on the SAME platform ;)
[05:11] <nixternal> hmmm
[05:12] <nixternal> and there isn't one place i can go to check that out either i bet
[05:12] <nixternal> probably have like 30 websites for 1 thing
[05:12] <nixternal> buntudot needs to clean up the web ;)
[05:12] <imbrandon> but over all you can use the techniues learned in class you just might have to tweak them for gcc ;)
[05:12] <nixternal> i remember some c++...i can still read it ok
[05:13] <nixternal> code is easy for me to read...but impossible for me to write anymore
[05:13] <imbrandon> just stray away from things like te w32 api and ms etcstl 
[05:13] <imbrandon> err msstl etc
[05:13] <nixternal> i quit coding in like 1996 because i changed to combat engineering instead ;(
[05:13] <imbrandon> ok got to run bbiab
[05:13] <nixternal> k
[05:13] <nixternal> cya
[05:14] <imbrandon> nixternal, http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm  <-- c# info ( its not just MS )
[05:14] <nixternal> thank you sir
[05:36] <nixternal> hehe
[06:36] <DaSkreech> So no XGL in Edgy?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: um, where'd you read that?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Paris pretty much ignored it
[06:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:49] <Hobbsee> was htere a spec for it?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> if the xgl people werent in paris, it wouldnt have been discussed...
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Well how about the aiglx people?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Well that means that it's likely it won't ship as an easily enabled default right?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it'll get in if it's all done by feature freeze.  check if htere's already a spec for it, and what's happening with it
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:12] <DaSkreech> hi again
[07:13] <Hobbsee> heya.  didnt mean to do that.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:16] <DaSkreech> What do you code in?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:18] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: me?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> lovely, brown's down again
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Yep
[07:18] <Hobbsee> bits of c++, thru uni
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off to bed for the night
[07:20] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[07:38] <nixternal> weee
[07:39] <nixternal> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ubuntuhks/?CMP=ILC-GG7423313304&ATT=ubuntuhks
[07:40] <nixternal> nice
[07:55] <nixternal> Hobbsee: where is that link you gave out a while back concerning doing a dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hmmm...as in, not !upgrade?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> like, the testing one, to see if all the tests passed?
[07:56] <nixternal> that would be great if the link was good ;)
[07:56] <nixternal> i have a guy on kopete who wants to upgradeh
[07:56] <nixternal> i was gonna give him the link, but it isn't there
[07:57] <nixternal> he tried to install dapper from dvd, and it got to a certian point and his screen blinked twice and that was that
[07:58] <Hobbsee> that one?
[07:58] <nixternal> he keeps changing his sources.list to dapper from 5.10 and pastes all kinds of error messages..i told him a few times not to do that as it will break
[07:58] <nixternal> oh no..ubotu is messaging me ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> the 2nd link is broken....as in page gone or never was there ;)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:59] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[07:59] <nixternal> gah
[08:00] <nixternal> ubotu puts a freakin' . at the end of that address
[08:00] <Hobbsee> now it works
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:02] <nixternal> so you have some stuff you are working on that needs to be documented?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> hmmm...not currently, that i know of
[08:05] <nixternal> you just said something earlier about it so i wondered
[08:05] <nixternal> rsi break is starting to get on my nerves
[08:06] <nixternal> moin freeflying-g4
[08:07] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying-g4 
[08:07] <nixternal> lol
[08:07] <nixternal> fine..don't talk to us
[08:07] <freeflying|away> nixternal: hey
[08:07] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: hi
[08:07] <nixternal> ahh
[08:07] <nixternal> lol
[08:07] <nixternal> his ghost is alive
[08:08] <nixternal> i hope Riddell set his alarm clock ;)
[08:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:10] <Hobbsee> or they'll just go bang on his door :P
[08:11] <nixternal> eventually
[08:16] <nixternal> actually...im almost reading the back of my eyelids
[09:43] <kwwii> moin
[09:46] <allee> kwwii: hi
[10:02] <kwwii> hi allee
[10:03] <allee> how are things going
[10:03] <allee> +?
[10:07] <kwwii> allee: not quite sure atm
[10:08] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, I am still pissed about football
[10:08] <allee> kwwii: we'll see how Hobbsee feels today (but afiak she does not care).
[10:09] <kwwii> :p
[10:09] <allee> here, next to socceros everything is silent.
[10:10] <kwwii> yeah, I keep hiding in my hotel rooms in the afternoons to watch soccer
[10:10] <kwwii> can't wait to get back home
[10:10] <kwwii> going shopping is really nice - all the stores and parking lots are empty
[10:10] <allee> 4 o'clock meetings almost empty in paris ;)
[10:11] <allee> heh, same here for the highway
[10:12] <allee> only a stupid camping van driver yesterday seem too excited about a gool and made a somersault.  Unfortunately with his car.
[10:14] <allee> make sure that you finish you're shopping soon.  Propability is high that france will not that much longer participate
[10:17] <kwwii> lol
[11:08] <Tonio_> hey allee fine ?
[11:11] <mornfall> Riddell: so what's the plan for today?
[11:11] <mornfall> anything that needs to be done still?
[11:13] <Riddell> mornfall: have you put all the screen mockups up for adept usability?
[11:14] <mornfall> i will eventually make some more in designer
[11:14] <mornfall> i mean more like something worth a meetup :)
[11:34] <allee> Hey Tonio.  I can't complain.  Bit less sleep, and an anoying bug that drives me cracy.  So everything normal.
[11:38] <allee> Tonio_: how's it going in Paris?
[11:43] <Tonio_> very fine ,-
[11:43] <Tonio_> :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> I'll suggest to have a look at kwwii's blog 
[11:44] <Tonio_> he might have a few interesting things to say about that week
[11:44] <Tonio_> so sad you guys cannot be there
[11:45] <Tonio_> there are really lots of very interesting things planned for edgy
[11:49] <kwwii> once I get a card reader (I lost my cable) I'll blog about this
[11:50] <Riddell> kwwii: sladen has one
[11:50] <kwwii> hehe, funny, I asked him and he did not respond
[11:50] <kwwii> but I found someone else with one
[11:50] <Riddell> kwwii: pull his ponytail until he responds
[11:51] <kwwii> :p
[11:51] <Riddell> mornfall: we actually for the first time have a good schedule today http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-23/
[11:51] <Riddell> (from a kubuntu point of view)
[11:51] <mornfall> well, sort of, yes
[11:56] <\sh> has anyone discussed the kubuntu laptop testing team idea?
[11:58] <luka74> \sh: that would really make sense - at least sponsored laptops should be also tested with Kubuntu...
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[11:59] <\sh> well, there is only one release left for the sponsored laptops...but in general we need to concentrate on a kubuntu laptop testing team...sponsored or not
[12:22] <Riddell> \sh: it just needs someone to lead it
[12:26] <Riddell> seaLne...
[12:26] <Riddell> seaLne: new k3b out
[12:27] <seaLne> heh
[12:29] <Riddell> 0.12.16
[12:30] <seaLne> Riddell: got a minute to help me understand how to merge the changelogs?
[12:31] <seaLne> Riddell: also what happens about k3b i18n?
[12:35] <jpatrick> seaLne: I think it's to be removed
[12:35] <seaLne> ie it dosen't need packaged afaik?
[12:36] <jpatrick> no
[12:37] <jpatrick> cos it goes into k3b
[12:53] <Riddell> seaLne: just do it in any sensible way
[12:53] <Riddell> I usually put the ubuntu changes just above the debian changes they derived from in a block
[12:54] <Riddell> which means the versions can be out of order but it correctly indicates when they were merged
[12:54] <seaLne> its just some of them don't apply to kubuntu and what about things like "apply ubuntu patches"?
[12:54] <seaLne> ah
[12:54] <seaLne> the order was one of the  things i wondered about
[12:55] <Riddell> and keep all the debian entries, that's important
[12:56] <seaLne> ok
[01:13] <Riddell> seaLne: do package k3b-i18n
[01:14] <Riddell> I need to talk to Rosetta Carlos to find out if we actally upload it or just send it directly to him
[01:14] <seaLne> ok, ignore my recently uploaded packages they are broken
[01:20] <Tonio_> !lastspoke kwwii
[01:20] <Tonio_> hum.... I think we need an eggdrop here :)
[01:22] <imbrandon> !seen kwwii
[01:22] <imbrandon> ?
[01:22] <apokryphos> no ubotu in here
[01:22] <imbrandon> doh
[01:22] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[01:22] <apokryphos> you can use /msg seenserv seen kwwii though
[01:22] <apokryphos> hi imbrandon 8)
[01:24] <Seveas> %config channel plugins.myfactoids.database ubuntu
[01:24] <ubotu> OK
[01:50] <imbrandon> gah is there a better way to search debian unstable than the google thing on the packages.debian.org site? trying to find the package ipodslave to compare etc and see if it needs merged/sync and debian search sucks
[01:50] <imbrandon> lol
[01:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, gnome stuff is comming accross edgy-changes, does that mean we can start uploading / syncing kde stuff ?
[02:03] <kane__> Riddell: how does a PDF get converted to PS when printing ? I have a major printing issue in kubuntu 6.06 in which characters get snipped at the top and right sides
[02:03] <kane__> this wasnt a problem in kubuntu flight-7
[02:07] <imbrandon> moins goldenear
[02:07] <goldenear> hi
[02:08] <Tonio_> hey goldenear
[02:08] <Tonio_> are you there or do you plan to come ?
[02:08] <Tonio_> I may leave at about 3:30 pm
[02:08] <goldenear> I'm sure sure if I will go to the hotel today
[02:09] <goldenear> I won't be available until 5pm
[02:09] <Tonio_> okay so let's forget it concerning me :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> too late by far
[02:09] <goldenear> so I can't be to the hotel until 18:30 :(
[02:09] <Tonio_> well simply forget then, lots of people will be over at that time
[02:09] <goldenear> Also I would like to work with hellen on oskar
[02:10] <Tonio_> yes I know but well....
[02:10] <goldenear> that's what I think
[02:10] <Tonio_> maybe you can still contact her afterwards on irc or by mail
[02:10] <Tonio_> kde still needs a default good standard video player, so that can be interesting for her either
[02:11] <goldenear> I've some time now to modify the oskar UI with the stuffs we talk about
[02:11] <goldenear> I will send the .ui file to her for advice
[02:12] <goldenear> Also she told me she wanted to go to paris the evening
[02:14] <Tonio_> yes there is a dinner
[02:14] <Tonio_> I will not be there but probably she will
[02:14] <goldenear> Tonio_: sould you ask her if she still think to go to paris this evening ? Also, I propose to the people not leaving today to go to a nice caf at the top of Menilmontant with a very nice view on Paris
[02:14] <Tonio_> just the point is I don't know if non present today people can be invited.......
[02:15] <Tonio_> there is a restaurant evening organised with everyone there
[02:15] <goldenear> I will take your place at the dinner :)
[02:15] <goldenear> I will represent your interrests and speak for you :D
[02:16] <goldenear> Tonio_: is the restaurant in Paris or near the hotel ?
[02:17] <Tonio_> the restaurant is only offered to sponsored people ;)
[02:17] <Tonio_> not everyone there
[02:17] <Tonio_> so neither you nore me
[02:17] <kane__> Riddell: found the problem ... well sort of atleast ..... it is pdftops
[02:20] <goldenear> Tonio_: that's not really nice :(
[02:27] <Riddell> kane__: which problem?
[02:27] <kane__> Riddell: printing Malayalam is screwed in kubuntu 6.06
[02:28] <kane__> Riddell: eh, sorry for the wrong word
[02:28] <kane__> Riddell: printing malayalam is not right in kubuntu 6.06
[02:28] <kane__> Riddell: top and right edges of glyphs are cut off
[02:28] <Riddell> kane__: so the malayalam text is broken when printing?
[02:28] <Riddell> right
[02:28] <kane__> Riddell: shall I send you a sample PDF and PS ?
[02:28] <Riddell> sure
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks.
[02:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: welcome
[02:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:41] <goldenear> Tonio__: are you still there ?
[02:42] <Tonio__> yes
[02:44] <goldenear> Tonio_: tu me bois pas en pv ?
[02:44] <goldenear> vois*
[02:45] <Tonio_> oups sorry je prends le pc
[02:45] <Tonio_> pv
[02:46] <kane__> Riddell: you there ?
[02:46] <kane__> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771
[02:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[02:47] <kane__> Riddell: i am going to try with xpdf-utils and see if the same problem persists
[02:53] <goldenear> Hi Riddell
[02:53] <goldenear> Do you know if Hellen is on the IRC ?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hi goldenear Tonio_ and kane__ 
[02:54] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee
[02:54] <kane__> hi Hobbsee
[02:54] <Tonio_> fine ?
[02:54] <Tonio_> I'm off irc now
[02:54] <Tonio_> ;) seya
[02:55] <goldenear> hi Hobbsee
[02:55] <Hobbsee> bye Tonio_ 
[03:03] <imbrandon> cya Tonio_
[03:16] <goldenear> Riddell: Is Hellen on the irc ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> goldenear: i beleive he's in a meeting now.   who's hellen?
[03:20] <goldenear> Hellen is the accessibility expert from kde
[03:40] <\sh> goldenear: you mean ellen 
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[03:40] <\sh> hey Hobbsee
[03:42] <\sh> oh sebas...I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you...
[03:55] <kane__> Riddell: you there ?
[04:01] <goldenear> \sh: yes ellen :)
[04:06] <\sh> Hobbsee: read planet.kubuntu.de :)
[04:07] <\sh> kwwii posting
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[04:08] <seaLne> erk
[04:11] <Hobbsee> seaLne: kwwi's blog post isnt there, as it would have been picked up by my rss feed off it.
[04:12] <seaLne> hmm quite a lot, better add to bloglines then
[04:12] <kane__> Hobbsee: could you verify one bug ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in Ubuntu "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:14] <kane__> Hobbsee: just download the PDF, then print preview
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kane__: yeah, what am i looking for?
[04:15] <kane__> Hobbsee: look at the very last glyph of the first word on the first line
[04:15] <Hobbsee> i got that much :P
[04:15] <kane__> Hobbsee: compare it with the original PDF ... do you see the top cut off ?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ah, of the first word on the first line, not the last word on the first line.
[04:16] <seaLne> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3141582/kpdf.png
[04:17] <kane__> Hobbsee: the last glyph of the first word on the first line
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:17] <kane__> Hobbsee: so you can confirm it ?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> no
[04:17] <seaLne> just printed and it was fine
[04:17] <kane__> seaLne: ah ... you need to zoom in
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sheesh, this is as bad as eye tests!
[04:18] <kane__> just try it
[04:18] <Hobbsee> "which image looks clearer?"  well mate, after you've shown me the first twenty, i've got no idea!
[04:19] <seaLne> kane__: even zoomed in it looks fine and prints fine
[04:19] <Hobbsee> kane__: nope, i cant reproduce that.  no, wait.  i see...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: try at about 300% or so
[04:19] <kane__> Hobbsee, seaLne, I saw this problem first in another document ... believe it is bad (though it seems harmless in this example document I have uploaded)
[04:19] <seaLne> the squigle under the first thing on the left of the bottom line?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: zooming both into about 300% or 400% shows it pretty clearly
[04:20] <kane__> I couldn't upload the original document because it contains some private material
[04:20] <kane__> yes, zoom to about 300%
[04:20] <Hobbsee> first word, first line, last symbol
[04:20] <seaLne> the "o" thing?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> second word, third symbol too, it's even more pronounced
[04:20] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:20] <kane__> yes, there are many lines which are more pronounced
[04:21] <kane__> Hobbsee: i am trying to add one ... 
[04:22] <kane__> Hobbsee: the situation is worse than this document shows ...
[04:23] <kane__> Hobbsee: my original document, the glyphs were also clipped on the right hand side ..
[04:23] <kane__> Hobbsee: that can cause reading errors, since there are many many glyphs in Malayalam which share the same left hand side, but differ on the right hand side
[04:23] <kane__> (in fact, I was proof reading the document when I noticed the error)
[04:24] <kane__> seaLne: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3141639/snapshot1.png
[04:24] <kane__> seaLne: don't worry ... you will see it :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:25] <Hobbsee> seaLne: once you see it, you wonder how you missed it - but zoom to around 400%, and look at the top of the bigger characters
[04:25] <seaLne> have you tried printing it? my print out is better than viewing on screen
[04:26] <Hobbsee> seaLne: not at 400% it isnt :P
[04:26] <kane__> seaLne: oh yes, i have printed my original PDF (not this test one)
[04:26] <seaLne> yeah but i've noticed stuff in english not looking amazing in previews
[04:27] <Hobbsee> there we go
[04:27] <Hobbsee> seaLne: look at my attachment for ti
[04:28] <kane__> seaLne: the print outs are really bad (atleast for my original document) .. i guess it is because the eye can discern it better on paper
[04:28] <seaLne> laser or inkjet?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3141710/snapshot7.png
[04:29] <Hobbsee> you may have to zoom my image, i'm not sure
[04:29] <seaLne> Hobbsee: what if you scroll up a bit?
[04:29] <kane__> seaLne: it doesnt go away with scrolling
[04:30] <seaLne> its not just a view cropping?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no change
[04:30] <Hobbsee> that's the top most view
[04:30] <kane__> seaLne: the same problem is seen even in the print out ... i just verified
[04:30] <Hobbsee> now that you know where it is, and wha's wrong with it, why dont you check?
[04:30] <kane__> seaLne, Hobbsee, also, take the pdf and run it through pdftops ... and use kghostview to view the ps ... you will see the same error
[04:30] <imbrandon> seaLne, notice the second and 3rd lines in Hobbsee screenshot, it does the same thing
[04:30] <Hobbsee> krita's a very nice piece of software, it seems :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hey yeah, so it does
[04:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea krita is nice ps == better ;)
[04:31] <kane__> i ran it through the pdftops of both xpdf-utils and poppler-utils ... yeah issue
[04:31] <Hobbsee> it looks like it's not allocating enough height for each line of words
[04:31] <seaLne> i see the problem in those screenshots but my print out looks fine in those places
[04:31] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you're printout is 1/4 of the magnification - that happens :P
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kane__: which proggy was this created in?
[04:32] <kane__> Hobbsee: isnt not only that ... i have another document where it is clipped on the right as well
[04:32] <kane__> Hobbsee: OOo
[04:32] <seaLne> but smaller magnification dosen't add stuff in
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kane__: are there settings for the heights of the characters in OOo?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: true, but it does make it harder to see
[04:33] <kane__> Hobbsee: tried the settings
[04:33] <kane__> Hobbsee: line spacing, whatever ... tried everything, doesnt work
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, line spacing would be what you're looking for.
[04:33] <seaLne> Hobbsee: for example the first thing circled on your screenshot i can see more of on my printout
[04:33] <kane__> ive been on this since yesterday
[04:36] <Hobbsee> kane__: you found the spacing setting, in the styles and formatting section of OOo, and even changing it to a very large amount doesn tfix the problem?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> or even double line spacing, for that matter.
[04:37] <kane__> Hobbsee: no it doesnt
[04:37] <Hobbsee> darn
[04:37] <kane__> Hobbsee: in the test pdf ... look at the first word, first line, last paragraph
[04:38] <kane__> Hobbsee: you will see the clipping on the right hand side
[04:38] <kane__> Hobbsee: do you ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> first word, first line, last paragraph...clipping on RHS of which symbol?
[04:39] <kane__> Hobbsee: second glyph
[04:40] <kane__> Hobbsee: it almost looks like a space ... but it isnt :)
[04:44] <kane__> Hobbsee: ive added a screenshot showing that    http://librarian.launchpad.net/3141853/snapshot2.png
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oh for goodness sake!
[04:50] <Hobbsee> kane__: yeah, i can reproduce that
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hobbsee@hobbsee: sudo /etc/init.d/brain restart
[04:50] <Hobbsee> maybe restart should read start.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i think i win the idiot award of the day again.
[04:55] <Riddell> goldenear: Ellen is sometimes on as el but not usually
[04:55] <Riddell> kane__: hi
[04:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where's that duncecap again.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> actually, on second thoughts.
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh
[04:58] <kane__> Hobbsee: heh cool :)
[04:58] <kane__> Riddell: hi ... 
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: no, my boss really does deserve it.
[04:58] <kane__> Riddell: any suggestions to fix the problem ?
[04:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: and so do I
[04:59] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: do you run the risk of getting fired for your error?
[04:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: no, my reason's more personal
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:00] <Hobbsee> okay, that might just win.
[05:00] <jpatrick> PM if you really wanna know
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Morning Y'all
[05:06] <kane__> Riddell: ?
[05:07] <kane__> Hobbsee: actually, sometimes the bottom gets clipped too
[05:08] <Hobbsee> kane__: i'm thinking of blaming line spacing, in OOo - with massive line spacing, does the print preview in OOo work correctly?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ie, is it saved wrongly in the first place, or is it kpdf's problem
[05:09] <kane__> Hobbsee: i dont think it is kpdf's problem ..
[05:09] <kane__> Hobbsee: it could be poppler's problem
[05:09] <goldenear> Riddell: Could you tell ellen I would like to talk to her for a few minutes ?
[05:10] <kane__> print preview in OOo doesnt show the error ... but when printing the file in OOo shows the problem in the print out ... due to which i suspect it is the PDF->PS driver that is causing this
[05:10] <goldenear> Riddell: I hope she's still at the hotel
[05:10] <kane__> Hobbsee: print preview in OOo doesnt show the error ... but when printing the file in OOo shows the problem in the print out ... due to which i suspect it is the PDF->PS driver that is causing this
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Well I'm in an exam so cheerio :)
[05:11] <kane__> Hobbsee: what is wierd is that, this bug was non-existent in flight-7
[05:11] <kane__> err
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Ermm poppler. 
[05:11] <kane__> flight-5 i guess
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hmmm...okay...
[05:14] <nixternal> moin
[05:14] <kane__> Hobbsee: is there some way I can revert to an older version of poppler ?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> kane__: download it off launchpad, and sudo dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb
[05:15] <Hobbsee> i believe works
[05:15] <kane__> Hobbsee: but would it pull in all the deps ?
[05:15] <kane__> err
[05:15] <kane__> dpkg doesnt
[05:15] <Hobbsee> kane__: not with dpkg - do a sudo apt-get build-dep poppler before that
[05:15] <kane__> so we can safely assume it wont :/
[05:15] <jpatrick> kane__: ran apt-get install -f
[05:15] <kane__> jpatrick: thanks
[05:15] <kane__> Hobbsee: i dont need to build it ;)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> kane__: i realise that, but it will get the deps needed in order to install the package
[05:17] <kane__> is there some way to find out what version of the package was in flight-5 ?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:17] <kane__> eh
[05:17] <DaSkreech> If java becomes Free Software would people stop having an issue with OOo?
[05:17] <kane__> i'll just look in the iso :P
[05:18] <kane__> DaSkreech: OOo can already use gcj i think
[05:19] <DaSkreech> kane__: Doesn't stop people having issues about it
[05:19] <DaSkreech> If World Wind worked on Linux I'm sure some people would still be screaming to avoid it
[05:20] <kane__> DaSkreech: gcj is Free Software
[05:20] <kane__> its the java frontend for gcc
[05:20] <Riddell> goldenear: she is
[05:20] <Riddell> goldenear: when will you be here?
[05:20] <Riddell> goldenear: we're leaving the hotel at 6
[05:21] <goldenear> Riddell: ok I'm talking to her on the IRC
[05:22] <Hobbsee> what, is the conference over already?
[05:22] <goldenear> Riddell: I won't be at the hotel today... too many work here in Paris. But may be we could meet after the ubuntu diner (for those not leaving too early tomorrow morning)
[05:22] <DaSkreech> I know
[05:23] <imbrandon> kane__, after you dpkg -i something and it has dep problems you can "sudo apt-get install -f"  and it will grab the deps from the repos ( if they are there )
[05:24] <DaSkreech> kane__: Installing openoffice installs a java-base doesn't it?
[05:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea the conf ends in about 30 min officialy
[05:25] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[05:25] <imbrandon> the poeple that are sponsored though are going to a "dinner"
[05:25] <Hobbsee> ah, i see, i see...
[05:26] <imbrandon> anyone know the link to kwii's blog ?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: planet.kubuntu.de?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> he blogs in multiple places
[05:26] <imbrandon> i ment the blogspot one but that will work ;)
[05:27] <nixternal> you see kwwii's blog?   looks like he had some problems in Paris ;)
[05:27] <haggai> DaSkreech: OOo depends on java-gcj-compat | j2re1.4 | java2-runtime
[05:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, ouchy
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah I just checked the dependency table
[05:28] <kane__> Hobbsee: opening the PDF file directly in kghostview also shows the problem
[05:28] <haggai> DaSkreech: most of OOo will work without java anyway
[05:30] <kane__> its a wonder than OOo works at all :P
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:32] <nixternal> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2117   <- could serve useful for all those that want their cups via webface
[05:33] <nixternal> although he didn't have to bash Kubuntu dev's...and I kind of see why the dev's left it out, beyond security reasons, cuz it look ooogly ;)
[05:33] <nixternal> well he didn't bash straight out, but you can read between the lines ;)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> cool, that works.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Night
[06:20] <goldenear> Riddell: are you still there ?
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Kopete 0.12 has bugs
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Or Gaim does
[09:35] <DaSkreech> One of the two
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Though I think it's the collabartion tween the two
[11:00] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JaneWeideman/ if anyone is interested
[11:02] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: what's sup?? :D
[11:02] <DaSkreech> Nothing Much :)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Looking over some stuff for katapult
[11:03] <jpatrick> I've just got a bit of RSI, from overplaying on my guitar
[11:04] <jpatrick> I knew toma's app would come in handy one day
[11:04] <DaSkreech> for playing the gituar?
[11:04] <jpatrick> No
[11:04] <jpatrick> the rsibreak app
[11:05] <jpatrick> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29725
[11:06] <jpatrick> seaLne: do you want spelling mistake corrections?
[11:11] <seaLne> not particuarly, but go on :)
[11:11] <seaLne> spanish?
[11:11] <jpatrick> No
[11:12] <jpatrick> first para says "local compnay"
[11:12] <jpatrick> and the contribute to FLOSS bit has a evangelisation^Wpromotion, what's the ^W for?
[11:12] <jpatrick> I can check the spanish
[11:13] <seaLne> delete word
[11:13] <seaLne> its ment to be there
[11:13] <jpatrick> hey the guy translated the Are you being paid bit wrong
[11:14] <jpatrick> s/guy/guy or lady
[11:14] <seaLne> guy
[11:15] <jpatrick> "S, soy empleada de Canonical Ltd" -> "Ahora no, yo era empleada de Canonical Ltd hasta el 15 de Junio"
[11:16] <seaLne> s/translated wrong/didn't update translation/ ?
[11:16] <jpatrick> No idea
[11:16] <seaLne> does it say that she works there?
[11:17] <jpatrick> that's what it should be if it's following the English text
[11:17] <jpatrick> it says she is working there
[11:17] <seaLne> yeah but now you point it out it looks to me like its says she does?
[11:17] <jpatrick> Yes
[11:17] <seaLne> ah yeah, he just missed out the update then
[11:18] <seaLne> thanks
[11:18] <jpatrick> no problem
[11:24] <linuxmonkey> did anyone ever package the newer version of sun java? the version on the repo is 1.5.0-06-1 and the version on sun's website is jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin
[11:59] <linuxmonkey> anyone here?