[01:29] <nixternal> lear
[01:29] <nixternal> oops
[01:29] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:26] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:27] <ajmitch> good morning Hobbsee
[03:27] <ajmitch> good to see you up before lunchtime :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:46] <ajmitch> hm
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hm?
[03:46] <ajmitch> thinking
[03:47] <Hobbsee> 42.
[03:47] <ajmitch> about debconf & python
[03:50] <Hobbsee> what the?  various ubuntu people are getting spammed.  great.
[03:50] <ajmitch> and?
[03:50] <ajmitch> spammed in what way?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> just sending three of us ubuntu people mailing list crap email.
[03:51] <ajmitch> right
[03:51] <Hobbsee> what's weird is that there are three of us in the to line - all ubuntu people.
[03:51] <ajmitch> not that werid
[03:52] <Hobbsee> shameful.
[03:52] <ajmitch> yes
[03:55] <ajmitch> not going to happen
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:56] <Hobbsee> that was always people's punishments here for those who couldnt spell.
[03:56] <ajmitch> I can spell just fine, except when my hands are half-frozen
[03:58] <pschulz01> ajmitch, Hobbsee: I'm finding that there are packages (MOTU) that are available in Breezy but not Dapper(don't install), for one reason or another.. what should I do?
[03:59] <ajmitch> such as?
[03:59] <pschulz01> pstoedit, fontforge
[03:59] <ajmitch> why don't they install?
[04:00] <pschulz01> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[04:00] <pschulz01>   pstoedit: Depends: libpstoedit0c2a (>= 3.42) but it is not going to be install ed
[04:00] <pschulz01> E: Broken packages
[04:00] <ajmitch> I'd say you've got other issues there, since both are installable here
[04:01] <pschulz01> Hmmm.. thanks..
[04:02] <ajmitch> libpstoedit0c2a |     3.42-3 | http://apt-proxy dapper/universe Packages
[04:02] <ajmitch> it is available, at least
[04:03] <pschulz01> I'll try on another machine that is a little less 'touched'.
[04:05] <pschulz01> Hmm.. both packages have installed fine on thei other machine.. so probably a 'sources.list' issue.
[04:08] <pschulz01> That was the problem.. thankyou both.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: paris, of course.
[04:10] <pschulz01> I'll keep track of them on my Wiki page.. and you can collect them should I ever get to a Ubuntu meeting.
[04:10] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:10] <pschulz01> or you travel to Linux.Conf.Au
[04:10] <ajmitch> I probably will be
[04:10] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: where are you?
[04:11] <pschulz01> Adelaide.. South Australia.
[04:11] <pschulz01> (Wine Country)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: heh, right.  where abouts?
[04:11] <pschulz01> Hobbsee: ? Thebarton
[04:12] <pschulz01> Hobbsee: Live in Mawson lakes.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh...there...right...
[04:13] <ajmitch> pschulz01: were you at LCA this year?
[04:14] <pschulz01> Location - http://news.mawsonlakes.org/community, ignore the markers..
[04:14] <pschulz01> ajmitch: Yes.. thoughly enjoyed New Zealand. I ran the (half-day) embedded miniconf.
[04:14] <ajmitch> ah r ight
[04:15] <ajmitch> I may have met you at some point then
[04:15] <pschulz01> Quite possibly.. have you been to any previous LCA's?
[04:15] <ajmitch> adelaide in 2004
[04:16] <pschulz01> I was behind the registration desk there..
[04:16] <pschulz01> .. organising the helpers.
[04:16] <ajmitch> ok :)
[04:17] <pschulz01> ajmitch: Where are you?
[04:19] <ajmitch> dunedin
[04:21] <pschulz01> Cheers.. bye for now.. off to play with fontforge :-)
[04:30] <Toadstool> re
[04:45] <nixternal> hows it goin' Toadstool
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[06:18] <Kyral> hallo
[06:19] <Hobbsee> pretty silly, trying to hide under a bed, you know.
[06:19] <Kyral> ....you do realize that was a ploy to get you near his bed
[06:19] <Mithrandir> yeah, especially with those beds here you can't hide under.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Kyral: that's inappropriate, thanks.
[06:19] <Mithrandir> Kyral: eh?
[06:20] <Kyral> Sorry...mind is half asleep
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir is not stupid, Kyral
[06:20] <Kyral> appropriete checks are disabled
[06:21] <Mithrandir> apology accepted from me at least.
[06:21] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: how's .au today?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: kinda cold again, not really much new :)
[06:21] <Kyral> omg...
[06:21] <Kyral> Currently viewing in Konqueror: Questionable Content: New comics every Monday through Friday, URL: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=646
[06:21] <Kyral> THat one...omg
[06:22] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: do you feel you've been able to help out and follow the spec process?
[06:22] <Kyral> Is you all in Paris now?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i dont know about helping out, but it all makes a bit more sense now
[06:23] <Hobbsee> besides, it's fun actually getting to chat to the not-so-big-and-scary-devs-now type people
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i'm not
[06:23] <Mithrandir> Kyral: I'm in Paris, yes.
[06:23] <Kyral> Have fun eating snails....ick
[06:23] <Mithrandir> they have plenty of non-snail food here too
[06:23] <Kyral> See I couldn't last in France because I wouldn't be able to get a good hamburger
[06:24] <Kyral> and I'm NOT talking fast food
[06:24] <Kyral> Gimme a 1lb patty of ground chuck, medium rare, bacon, and some cheese
[06:25] <Kyral> Damnit
[06:25] <Kyral> now I'm craving one
[06:25] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:25] <Hobbsee> looks like you'd better go grab one, and find your brain in the process :P
[06:25] <Kyral> One of my many quests in life is to find the perfect hamburger
[06:25] <Mithrandir> serves you right. :-P
[06:25] <Kyral> Because, to me, nothing is as American as the hamburger
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: um, why are you awake yet?
[06:26] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: my body decided that I didn't need more than six hours of sleep.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> how weird.
[06:26] <Mithrandir> when it does that, it's easier to comply and just sneak off for a nap than try to argue.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:27] <Kyral> As Jimmy Buffet's song "Cheeseburger In Paradise" goes
[06:27] <Kyral> But at night I'd had these wonderful dreams
[06:27] <Kyral> Some kind of sensuous treat
[06:27] <Kyral> Not zuchinni, fettucini or bulghar wheat
[06:27] <Kyral> But a big warm bun and a huge hunk of meat
[06:28] <Kyral> sorry for the paste
[06:31] <Kyral> anywya sleepytime
[06:32] <Hobbsee_> interesting quit message.
[06:32] <Mithrandir> that was a new quit message .. dead socket.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> what did i miss?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yes...
[06:32] <Mithrandir> you missed Kyral pasting about cheeseburgers in paradise.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[06:34] <Mithrandir> I almost wrote cheeseburgers in paris.
[06:34] <Mithrandir> oh well.
[06:34] <Mithrandir> I guess it's a bit early for me..
[06:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:34] <Hobbsee> i could help you wake up a bit more, if you wanted...
[06:34] <Mithrandir> oh?
[06:35] <Mithrandir> inject loads of coffee into bloodstream?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm...no...not a lover of needles
[06:36] <Mithrandir> I've already got a cold starting, so ice's not very helpful. :-)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <Mithrandir> I don't mind, I donate blood every three months.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: to answer your above question - its' hard to do kde stuff when it's not in TS or gobby, and that's the stuff i probably know most about.  but the stuff i am seeing is interesting, on most topics
[06:40] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: using TS is really, really painful when you're discussing with somebody at the same table, but I absolutely see your point about it making it harder for non-attendees.
[06:41] <Mithrandir> there's no real reason not to use gobby, IMO
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: oh of course - i regularly do tech stuff, so understand that
[06:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's kinda like irc - adn what's the point?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> irc gets done for the rest of the year
[06:41] <Mithrandir> exactly.
[06:41] <antinobody> Hola todos
[06:41] <Hobbsee> hi antinobody
[06:42] <Mithrandir> the whole point of the conference is to have the high-bandwidth face-to-face conversations.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:42] <Mithrandir> ehlo bodyantino
[06:43] <Mithrandir> antinobody: confused over what?
[06:43] <antinobody> who is bodyantino?  and what is ehlo?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ehlo is presumably hello, bodyantino is you
[06:44] <Mithrandir> antinobody: ehlo is really a way to say hi to smtp (mail) servers, but I abuse it to say hi to people as well.
[06:44] <Mithrandir> bodyantino is just your name mangled a bit.
[06:44] <antinobody> The out of date chips must be giving you super mind powers Hobbsee
[06:44] <Hobbsee> or he's suggetsing that you're a smtp mail server...take your pick
[06:44] <Hobbsee> they're still kinda tasty - just a bit stale.
[06:45] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: if we at some future conference could equip a few people with decent mics and a camera of some sort, that'd be an interesting experiment.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: indeed, it would be.  i dont know how much a camera would help, but the idea of everyone on mics would be good - if you could get the bandwidth for a decent connection
[06:46] <Mithrandir> latency has been more of a problem this time, IMO.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: see, would you want to just record and stream all teh stuff from paris, or would you want our input coming back as well?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> because the answer to that tells you the way to go about the problem
[06:46] <Mithrandir> I think getting the input back over IRC for instance will be way better than trying to make everybody use teamspeak
[06:47] <Hobbsee> that's true
[06:47] <Hobbsee> seeing as all people should be fast typists by now
[06:47] <Hobbsee> having to type so much
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i should know this, but define latency?
[06:48] <Mithrandir> "lag"
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, right
[06:48] <Mithrandir> it'd mean people not physically present would be at an disadvantage, but it'd probably be easier to get the participants to actually use it.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: how big are the rooms, anyway?
[06:48] <Mithrandir> like here, I run irc from my home box, and I have visible lag due to the latency to my home box being around 300ms.
[06:49] <Mithrandir> there are two small ones and a fairly big one with space for everybody.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> true - everyone needs decent connections
[06:49] <Hobbsee> mmm ok - atlas is the big one, presumably
[06:49] <Mithrandir> yup
[06:49] <Mithrandir> actually, three small rooms.  There's the drafting room too.
[06:50] <antinobody> Is there a way for those of us not in paris to get some insight into what's going on?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> antinobody: sometimes.
[06:52] <antinobody> Hobbsee um...congratulations?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> [14:41]  <Mithrandir> there's no real reason not to use gobby, IMO <-- grr, missed the double negative.  gobby does seem useful - although, of course, if people type all of what they're saying, then what's the point of the meeting?
[06:56] <Mithrandir> I probably wouldn't type all I'd be saying, but you could follow the spec evolving and ask useful questions about the spec when there's something which isn't clear why is so.
[06:56] <Mithrandir> so it's not a 100% solution, but it's probably a lot easier to get people to actually use.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, that would make sense
[06:57] <Hobbsee> of course
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: even what we've got now is still an improvement over the last conference, i suspect
[06:57] <antinobody> It might make more sense to have someone taking a psuedo transcript, or notes, and relaying tem via IRC
[06:57] <antinobody> while allowing most of the people involved
[06:57] <antinobody> to simply work
[06:58] <Mithrandir> well, gobby was the most unstable piece of junk I've ever used in Montreal so that doesn't really compare.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> the bonus of having somebody there who just reads the spec and says "what do you mean here?" is you'll end up with a better spec.
[06:58] <antinobody> what IS gobby, if I may ask?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> antinobody: it's been done a few times - it does distract the devs a bit though, i suspect
[06:58] <Mithrandir> antinobody: collaborative editor.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> [14:58]  <Hobbsee> !info gobby
[06:58] <Hobbsee> [14:58]  <ubotu> gobby: collaborative text editor. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 464 kB, installed size 1628 kB
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, exactly.  and thats' probably worht it.  what surprises me is that a lot of this stuff wasnt tested by the people who did happen to get to the conference early
[07:00] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: true, but using TS for instance was a decree by Mark.
[07:00] <antinobody> thank you by the by
[07:00] <Mithrandir> it's not something any of the developers are happy about
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, of course
[07:00] <Mithrandir> both the "is proprietary" part, but also the "must use PTT for it to be useful" which gets tedious
[07:01] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm more surprised that people continually whinged about it when they found it wasnt working, and didnt get on with the BOF
[07:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, it was painful without PTT though, unfortunately.  so it was an experiment, it failed, find ways to make it better for next time.
[07:02] <Mithrandir> yup
[07:02] <Hobbsee> if we're all replying by IRC, so you dont hear us, i'd still be tempted to have a condenser mic in the middle of the table, it should pick up more or less everything (maybe including outside rubbish that you dont want, etc, depends how sensitive), and stream that.
[07:04] <Mithrandir> yeah, that'd be useful.
[07:04] <Mithrandir> it'd probably be better in the small rooms than the large room as there's less enviromental noise.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yes, exactly - the big room would be the problem
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i expect
[07:05] <Mithrandir> I find it hard enough to follow conversations on the other end of the table there.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> how many people are these tables?
[07:05] <Mithrandir> ok, my hearing's not the best one around, but still.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> and are they circular, or what?
[07:06] <Mithrandir> up to about ten for the largest bofs.
[07:06] <Mithrandir> yes, circular tables
[07:07] <Mithrandir> a problem is that lots of people who are just having discussions are also having them in the same room.  Coupled with not-great acoustics it all ends up being a bit problematic.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> huh?  i dont understand the first sentence.
[07:09] <antinobody> He's referring to side-conversations
[07:09] <Hobbsee> as in, people are discussing things, and not in an official BOF?
[07:09] <Mithrandir> yes
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ah, great.  send 'em outside :P
[07:09] <Hobbsee> s/outside/lobby or wherever
[07:09] <Mithrandir> we should have had a room where such discussions could have taken place
[07:09] <antinobody> No, side-conversations are important for any kind of engineering
[07:09] <Mithrandir> so we could send them off to somewhere else, but of course not stop them from happening.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, that'd be the idea
[07:10] <Mithrandir> but.. I'm off for a swim.  Be back in an hour and a half or so.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, most rooms werent built with acoustics in mind
[07:10] <Hobbsee> enjoy :)
[07:10] <Mithrandir> actually, Hobbsee, we should write this up as a spec for the next conference.
[07:10] <antinobody> ten divertido
[07:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe, yeah, mayb
[07:10] <Hobbsee> e
[07:10] <antinobody> I mean, have fun
[07:10] <Mithrandir> :-)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you'd really think this would warrant a spec?
[07:23] <jmg> heh
[07:23] <Hobbsee> lovely netsplit.
[07:24] <jmg> ..
[07:24] <jmg> is there a paris irc channel?
[07:28] <antinobody> netsplit, is that what that's called
[07:28] <antinobody> ?
[07:29] <Hobbsee> antinobody: yeah
[07:29] <Hobbsee> there's a factoid on it, too
[07:29] <antinobody> I'll have to look that up someday
[07:29] <antinobody> You don't happen to know how I'm supposed to sign the code of conduct online by chance?
[07:30] <Hobbsee> antinobody: factoid is in a PM
[07:30] <antinobody> Hobbsee I saw, and I did in fact enjoy the show
[07:31] <Hobbsee> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[07:32] <antinobody> I understand it involves a gpg-key, launchpad, and that document I read
[07:32] <antinobody> how those are related confuses me
[07:32] <Hobbsee> antinobody: ah right
[07:32] <Hobbsee> do you have a GPG key?
[07:33] <antinobody> Hobbsee I did, briefly
[07:33] <Hobbsee> what's happened to it?
[07:33] <antinobody> I believe I wiped it unthinkingly
[07:34] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:34] <antinobody> indeed
[07:34] <Hobbsee> try gpg --list-keys
[07:34] <Hobbsee> and see if it's there
[07:34] <antinobody> hay nada
[07:34] <Hobbsee> otherwise you'll need to regenerate it, and then upload it
[07:35] <Hobbsee> via the !gpg link
[07:35] <antinobody> ...
[07:36] <antinobody> Do I need to regenerate the same key somehow?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> antinobody: https://launchpad.net/people/sean-rains/+editpgpkeys
[07:37] <Hobbsee> no, you can generate a new key
[07:37] <Hobbsee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto is also useful
[07:38] <antinobody> Hmm...I used it once, for that okle patch
[07:38] <antinobody> that's about it
[07:38] <antinobody> I never uploaded it either, so I dunno
[07:38] <antinobody> I'll just generate a new one
[07:39] <Hobbsee> antinobody: if you never uploaded it, then i think you can just ignore it.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> wow, that's a rather nice guide, now
[07:47] <antinobody> I generated it, then followed the launchpad instructions on importing an OpenPGP key
[07:47] <antinobody> unfortunately, I have to wait 30 minutes now
[07:48] <Hobbsee> cool
[07:48] <Hobbsee> why wait 30 mins?
[07:48] <antinobody> Did you enter your complete fingerprint correctly, as produced by gpg --fingerprint?
[07:48] <antinobody> 
[07:48] <antinobody> Have you published your key to a public key server, using gpg --send-keys?
[07:48] <antinobody> If you have just published your key to the keyserver, note that the keys take a while to be synchronized to our internal keyserver.
[07:48] <antinobody> Please wait at least 30 minutes before attempting to import your key.
[07:48] <antinobody> that's why
[07:50] <nixternal> it shouldn't take 30 minutes..i think when i did it...it happened pretty quick...give it a couple more minutes then try again..you should be fine
[07:50] <antinobody> Hey, cool, I have karma points.  I don't even know what those are
[07:50] <antinobody> nixternal will do
[07:51] <Hobbsee> antinobody: probably from patches or bug reports
[07:53] <antinobody> yeah, I did some triaging yesterday, I imagine that's it
[07:53] <antinobody> and I filed a very bizarre bug
[08:40] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: yes, I think it'd be nice to have as a spec.  An informative one, maybe.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hmmm...
[08:41] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: or, informational I think it's called.
[08:41] <Mithrandir> since all specs should be informative. :-P
[08:41] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:42] <Hobbsee> should be, yes.
[08:42] <Mithrandir> do you want to register it?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> title of spec:  use mics in middle of room, and stream over the net
[08:42] <Mithrandir> how to get people not physicall present to participate.
[08:43] <Mithrandir> physically, even
[08:43] <Hobbsee> ah okay.  i'd be happier not to
[08:43] <Mithrandir> I can do it, then.
[08:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:43] <rob> how many people have to advocate a package in revu before its accepted?
[08:43] <rob> hi btw :)
[08:43] <Hobbsee> heya rob
[08:43] <Hobbsee> er...one?  two?
[08:44] <rob> ah ok
[08:44] <rob> the waiting is killing me..
[08:45] <Hobbsee> rob: find a motu, and ask them to review it - usually works better
[08:45] <antinobody> hi rob
[08:45] <rob> I'm too polite :)
[08:45] <rob> hi antinobody
[08:46] <Hobbsee> rob: that's why you ask, not bash them over the head repeatedly with demands.
[08:46] <antinobody> what pacakge is this?
[08:46] <rob> someone has, just not for a little bit
[08:46] <rob> dolphin
[08:47] <rob> I think I just have revu anxiety
[08:49] <raphink> hi there
[08:49] <rob> hi raphink
[08:49] <raphink> hi rob
[08:50] <raphink> freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob
[08:50] <raphink> interesting
[08:50] <rob> :)
[08:50] <rob> thats me
[08:50] <raphink> does that mean you're the one responsible for the ubuntu vhosts on freenode now?
[08:52] <rob> well they need to still go though Seveas, but I will do them straight away rather then before where they were held in a cue to build up for a bit
[08:52] <raphink> hi dholbach
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[08:53] <raphink> rob: good to know :)
[08:53] <antinobody> Hi dholbach
[08:53] <raphink> rob: are you involved in ubuntu, too?
[08:53] <dholbach> heya everybody!
[08:53] <raphink> hi Hobbsee & antinobody
[08:53] <rob> raphink, yes
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hi raphink :)
[08:53] <raphink> rob: what do you do?
[08:53] <antinobody> hi raphink
[08:53] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[08:54] <raphink> dholbach: I'm still half asleep
[08:54] <raphink> but I managed to make it to work, for some mysterious reason
[08:54] <rob> raphink, I wrote the Ubuntu Desktop Guide for Breezy, and helped with the Dapper one too
[08:54] <raphink> rob: great
[08:54] <raphink> :)=
[08:54] <Hobbsee> antinobody: school?
[08:54] <raphink> antinobody: how old are you?
[08:55] <rob> but now I'm interested in getting involved with motu and doing some packaging for something different
[08:55] <raphink> rob: bettr and better :)
[08:55] <antinobody> raphink: 21 Hobbsee:  I'm taking summer classes
[08:55] <antinobody> raphink: wait
[08:55] <raphink> antinobody: in what field?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> ah...
[08:55] <Hobbsee> fun
[08:56] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing will make that easier hopefully
[08:56] <antinobody> raphink: 20, for like, two weeks still
[08:56] <raphink> hehe
[08:56] <antinobody> raphink:  all of them
[08:56] <raphink> antinobody: hahaha
[08:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:56] <raphink> biology, linguistics, philosophy, capentry, and so on antinobody?
[08:56] <antinobody> raphink:  no, my focus is environmental engineering, but I have a second major in poli sci and a minor in political economics
[08:56] <raphink> ok :)
[08:56] <raphink> that's nice
[08:57] <antinobody> I'm also an obsessive language student, as of the start of my learning japanese, language number 3
[08:57] <raphink> antinobody: yeah same here, I'm at language #12 or so :)
[08:57] <raphink> not that I speak all of them fluently at all :)
[08:57] <raphink> but I love to learn them :)
[08:57] <raphink> I haven't studied japanese though
[08:57] <raphink> although many people do
[08:58] <raphink> it's amazing how the japanese culture seems to fascinate people in Europe
[08:58] <antinobody> It's interesting, I learned Spanish easily enough, but Japanese is a very different structure
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hmm lag?
[08:58] <raphink> yes it is
[08:58] <raphink> spanish was very easy
[08:58] <antinobody> I'm barely into it, and already things are getting weird
[08:58] <raphink> :)
[08:58] <raphink> jsgotangco: ping
[08:58] <antinobody> that's why I like it, I love finding whole new ways of approaching life
[08:58] <jsgotangco> we seem to have some latency here at the moment
[08:59] <antinobody> I am, after all, an engineer, new perspectives are welcome
[08:59] <raphink> jsgotangco: you seem to have some lag indeed
[08:59] <antinobody> siempre
[08:59] <jsgotangco> raphink: and asians would like to study european languages
[08:59] <raphink> antinobody: yep
[08:59] <jsgotangco> and even master english
[08:59] <raphink> antinobody: my choice went to hebrew rather, although I don't have much time to study it lately
[08:59] <raphink> it's also a very different structure and logic
[08:59] <raphink> jsgotangco: you do master english :)
[09:00] <raphink> from what I can see :)
[09:00] <jsgotangco> im pretty much ok with american english but uk english is still alien to me
[09:01] <jpatrick> Hi guys
[09:01] <raphink> yes I know the feeling
[09:01] <raphink> hi jpatrick
[09:01] <raphink> good morning
[09:01] <jpatrick> morning
[09:04] <jpatrick> first day of holidays here
[09:08] <antinobody> morning
[09:09] <antinobody> jsgotangco that's ok, it's alien to most americans too
[09:09] <jpatrick> assuming he hadn't left
[09:10] <antinobody> ...
[09:10] <antinobody> point taken
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: if you want to link me to that spec, or send me an email about where it is, that'd be cool :)
[09:32] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I got distracted, but I'm registering, yes.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: that's cool, just letting you know taht i'd like to see it,and that i have to go to work soon
[09:34] <Hobbsee> heeh thanks
[09:37] <antinobody> wait...
[09:37] <antinobody> if she's an icicle
[09:37] <antinobody> does she want to melt?
[09:38] <rob> umm, probably not?
[09:39] <Hobbsee> on that note, goodbye, i must ooze my way to work
[09:39] <rob> working late?
[09:39] <Mithrandir> enjoy, Hobbsee
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: if you want to email me about that spec, as i wont be here for another while, it's hobbsee@ubuntu.com
[09:39] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: willdo
[09:39] <Hobbsee> rob: nah, till 10pm, supposedly
[09:40] <Hobbsee> will do
[09:40] <rob> I used to work 12 hour shifts at night, it sucked
[09:40] <Hobbsee> ewww...
[09:40] <rob> 6 pm -> 6am
[09:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, ick
[09:40] <rob> then drive home, sometimes I'd be in my driveway wondering how the heck I got there
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i like nights - none of the idiot supervisors are there, and we have good ones.
[09:41] <rob> scary stuff
[09:41] <Hobbsee> very
[09:42] <rob> I must admit though, playing xbox games for 12 hours straight and getting paid for it is great :)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:42] <jsgotangco> now that's neat
[09:42] <jsgotangco> you can say you've been a professional gamer then
[09:42] <rob> hehe yeah, never thought of it like that :)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> hmmm i only have 2 specs today
[09:57] <antinobody> it took me many an hour, but I managed to sign the damned code of conduct
[09:58] <zakame> hi
[09:58] <antinobody> hello zakame
[09:58] <zakame> heya antinobody
[10:51] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[10:52] <TheMuso> Hey Gloubiboulga.
[10:52] <TheMuso> Thanks for your review work BTW.
[10:53] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso: hi, thanks for your work :)
[10:53] <TheMuso> np
[10:53] <antinobody> hello Gloubiboulga
[10:54] <Gloubiboulga> hi antinobody
[11:01] <jmg> ian jackson anywhere?
[11:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:01] <jmg> nick?
[11:01] <jsgotangco> iwj
[11:02] <jsgotangco> he's probably busy in a bof session at the moment though
[11:02] <jmg> thanks
[11:02] <jmg> yes
[11:02] <jmg> Specification changed by Ian Jackson:
[11:02] <jmg>     Definition Status: Drafting => Review
[11:02] <jmg> i cant attend the bof
[11:03] <jmg> is there a paris irc channel?
[11:03] <TheMuso> Not as far as I know.
[11:04] <jmg> heh
[11:04] <jmg> theres nothing to do with a review in the schedule for today
[11:05] <jmg> hmm
[11:21] <TheMuso> wHAT IS THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET A PACKAGE UPDATED IN uNIVERSE FOR EDGY FOR A NON-motu? rE-UPLOAD TO REVU, OR FILE A BUG WITH A DEBDIFF?
[11:22] <zakame> TheMuso: erm
[11:23] <zakame> which pkg?
[11:23] <rob> ?
[11:24] <TheMuso> GNOME-ORCA
[11:24] <zakame> Caps got stuck? :)
[11:24] <TheMuso> argh sorry
[11:24] <TheMuso> I originally filed a UVF for it, but a newer version has come out since the UVF filing.
[11:25] <zakame> hmm I gather edgy now hasd a sane build chain enough for dchrooting, right?
[11:25] <TheMuso> I don't know.
[11:30] <zakame> TheMuso: hmm I suppose you can still follow UVF policy and file a bug w/debdiff... but since you said you've filed an UVF bug already, I guess you should follow-up on that one
[11:31] <TheMuso> Thats what I was thinking. Thanks.
[11:34] <zakame> maybe even bumping importance, if you think it deserves that
[11:35] <TheMuso> hmmm
[11:35] <TheMuso> Well the a11y team hope to get this into main in this release, so I might just do that. :)
[11:37] <zakame> coolness
[11:53] <mejobloggs> hello guys
[11:53] <ajmitch> hi
[11:53] <mejobloggs> could bzflag please be updated to 2.0.8 ?
[11:53] <jmg> mejobloggs: report a bug
[11:53] <mejobloggs> howso?
[11:53] <jmg> mejobloggs: reportbug or launchpad.net
[11:54] <jmg> !tell mejobloggs about bugs
[11:54] <mejobloggs> yeah, tell me about them
[11:54] <mejobloggs> why did nothing tell me?
[11:54] <jmg> ubotu isnt here
[11:54] <mejobloggs> oh
[11:56] <mejobloggs> its not exaclyt a bug is it?
[11:56] <mejobloggs> the bug is 'ubuntu doesnt have the latest version of bzflag'
[11:57] <mejobloggs> hardly a bug
[11:58] <ajmitch> mejobloggs: specifically, what you want is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto
[11:58] <ajmitch> we don't have the latest version in edgy, but it will be there soon
[12:02] <mejobloggs> ok, i can't seem to be able to assign it to anyone
[12:02] <ajmitch> subscribe, not assign
[12:02] <mejobloggs> i am meant to assign it to 'ubuntu-backporters'
[12:03] <mejobloggs> oh..
[12:03] <mejobloggs> hmm, no idea how to do that
[12:03] <mejobloggs> the howto isnt very helpful
[12:03] <ajmitch> on the left hand side
[12:03] <mejobloggs> ahh, cheers
[12:04] <TheMuso> How does one update the importance of a bug in lp?
[12:04] <ajmitch> where did you file the bug against?
[12:04] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you need to be in ubuntu-qa for that now
[12:04] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[12:04] <TheMuso> nvm then
[12:05] <ajmitch> unfortunate, but it does stop people filing their bugs as being ultra-critical-must-fix-now
[12:06] <TheMuso> Wow! No more source packages has been approved.
[12:06] <ajmitch> good
[12:07] <ajmitch> I'm looking forward to that bzr plugin
[12:07] <TheMuso> It should certainly be a better way of working.
[12:07] <ajmitch> lifeless & keybuk have probably got most of it done already
[12:07] <TheMuso> As long as there are good docs to cover it.
[12:07] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: yes sir :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> hi daniel
[12:13] <dholbach> hey andrew
[12:19] <tseng> hi dholbach
[12:19] <tseng> see you tommorow!
[12:19] <tseng> are you ready?
[12:21] <dholbach> tseng: absolutely :)
[01:07] <seaLne> can someone remind me what current standards version is and how i check what it is? sorry i can never remember
[01:13] <seaLne> still 3.6.2 in ubuntu?
[01:15] <siretart> seaLne: use $(apt-cache show debian-policy | grep Version) on a recent edgy system
[01:16] <siretart> seaLne: short 3.7.2 should do fine in edgy
[01:16] <seaLne> hmm i get 2 versions?
[01:17] <seaLne> so i can ignore that error in linda
[01:17] <seaLne> thanks
[01:18] <siretart> seaLne: you get 2 version because you have both edgy and dapper enabled in /e/a/sources.list, I assume
[01:18] <siretart> whee, mldonkey got a new maintainer in debian..
[01:20] <seaLne> siretart: ah correct
[01:41] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[01:44] <raphink> hi Toadstool
[01:44] <Toadstool> hey raphink
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Toadstool
[01:51] <Toadstool> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> are missing dependancies a bug?
[02:00] <raphink> yes Kamping_Kaiser
[02:00] <raphink> they cause FTBFS
[02:00] <raphink> re Tonio_
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink, oh, *goes to check for a bug*
[02:02] <Tonio_> re raphink
[02:03] <raphink> a va Tonio_?
[02:03] <Tonio_> waip ca roule des poules :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> je suis plus a l'aise avec mon pouce ;)
[02:03] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> there was an existing bug - from breezy :/
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> bug 33721
[02:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33721 in freeciv "freeciv-client-xaw3d: sound and fonts missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33721
[02:11] <raphink> not that old a bug Kamping_Kaiser
[02:11] <raphink> its' 2 months and a half old
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink, well i just bumped it ;). i was refereing more to the problem not having been fixed in dapper, then how long it was made. but supose everything cant be fixed ;(
[02:14] <raphink> indeed
[02:14] <raphink> did you see if there's a new verison in debian maybe?
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt look. i'll do so now
[02:15] <raphink> ok
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> should i search unstalbe or experimental?
[02:16] <raphink> unstable
[02:16] <raphink> only
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/freeciv-client-gtk 'sugests freeciv-sound, package not available'
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[02:20] <raphink> in debian ?
[02:20] <raphink> the freeciv-sound package is not in debian either?
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> no its not.
[02:21] <raphink> ah right this bug is from debian
[02:21] <raphink> how about talking to the freeciv maintainer in debian?
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> where should i look for him/her? in the changelog?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> found him on LP
[02:29] <monzie> hi all
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:31] <monzie> hi Kamping_Kaiser..
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:32] <monzie> i want to put a package into Dapper Drake..
[02:32] <monzie> and i have RTFM'ed
[02:34] <monzie> the product that  i want to put in is VTK Designer
[02:34] <dsas> monzie: I'm pretty sure it's too late for that. You're better off targeting Edgy
[02:34] <monzie> http://www.vcreatelogic.com/oss/vtkdesigner/index.html
[02:34] <monzie> when is it due?
[02:35] <imbrandon> octoberish
[02:35] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[02:36] <monzie> hi Hobbsee
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hi monzie
[02:36] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee, imbrandon.
[02:36] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso\
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[02:39] <monzie> I'm trying to put http://www.vcreatelogic.com/oss/vtkdesigner/index.html (VTK designer) into REVU
[02:39] <monzie> it uses CMake.. is that ok?
[02:39] <zul> sure
[02:40] <imbrandon> long as its debianized ;)
[02:41] <TheMuso> You just need to make sure that the Makefile doesn't put things in odd places.
[02:41] <monzie> how do i debianize it imbrandon?
[02:41] <TheMuso> You just need to make sure that the Makefile doesn't put things in odd places.
[02:41] <TheMuso> dh_make
[02:41] <imbrandon> dh_make
[02:41] <imbrandon> follow the packageing guide
[02:42] <imbrandon> etc
[02:42] <monzie> so cmake is acceptable to you..
[02:42] <\sh> hmmm.are there any freenx packages for ubuntu available?
[02:43] <imbrandon> \sh, a few months ago when i tried it i couldent find any ( dosent mean there isnt any )
[02:43] <imbrandon> \sh,  looks liek there are some here : deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./
[02:43] <Toadstool> could a reviewer ask the guy to upload the updated version of dolphin on REVU? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2471)
[02:44] <imbrandon> \sh, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
[02:52] <\sh> imbrandon: forum doc doesn't work anymore...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> rob: ping
[03:00] <imbrandon> forum doc ?
[03:02] <Kyral> Morning all
[03:03] <imbrandon> moins Kyral
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Kyral: brain come back?
[03:03] <Kyral> Hobbsee: go to bed ;P
[03:03] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:03] <imbrandon> lol
[03:03] <Hobbsee> no :P
[03:03] <Kyral> Yes!
[03:03] <Kyral> Its gotta be around midnight there :P
[03:04] <Hobbsee> 11pm
[03:04] <Kyral> nevermidn them
[03:04] <Hobbsee> besides, why would you want me to go to bed?
[03:04] <Kyral> I thought it was like 1 AM there :P
[03:04] <Hobbsee> no
[03:05] <Kyral> and BTW, brain still booting up ;P
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:06] <Kyral> Ah well, Payday == Today
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:09] <neenaoffline> could someone please  compile SLIM ?
[04:16] <neenaoffline> Can someone compile SLIM for me
[04:17] <neenaoffline> http://slim.berlios.de/
[04:19] <neenaoffline> ping?
[04:24] <neenaoffline> huh??
[04:35] <azeem> neenaoffline: this is not a compile service
[04:41] <neenaoffline> azeem: I was just asking , someone at #xubuntu said I could request the guys here to put slim on the universe
[04:42] <Toadstool> neenaoffline: I think i'm going to package, it's a nice piece of software
[04:42] <Toadstool> +it
[04:42] <neenaoffline> Toadstool: thanks !!
[04:42] <neenaoffline> Toadstool: how long will it take you ? :)
[04:43] <Toadstool> neenaoffline: i have some stuff to finish before that but the package will be on REVU tonight or tomorrow I think
[04:43] <neenaoffline> Toadstool: thanks :)
[05:03] <TheMuso> Ok folks. If you need to talk to me about anything to do with my submitted specs or accessibility in general? Now is the time. I will be at at the table that has been known as Kenrik's table for the net 15-20 minutes if you want to catch me before I get ready to leave.
[05:17] <TheMuso> Ok folks. I'm outa here. Nice to meet you all.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> bye TheMuso - or hello, take your pick
[06:54] <jrib> If I am building a package to put up on revu should I change my pbuilder to edgy?
[06:55] <zul> yes
[06:55] <jrib> zul: thanks
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[07:28] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga
[07:28] <Gloubiboulga> salut Toadstool
[08:39] <duck-> perhaps someone here would know, are there any instructions anywhere for customizing the ubuntu installation CD for OEM, including but not limited to the addition of new packages?
[08:40] <zul> have you checked the wiki
[08:40] <duck-> i've seen one for 5.10
[08:41] <duck-> perhaps i missed a newer one
[09:03] <cap10morgan> In a source package, in debian/rules, what is the proper target to install a udev .rules file in?
[09:03] <cap10morgan> Is it OK to do that in binary-arch?
[09:05] <fbond|away> I would do it in the install target
[09:05] <fbond|away> But, often, the upstream Makefile does that sort of thing...
[09:12] <cap10morgan> fbond|away: well, i'm trying to get the synaptics X driver package to create an intelligent udev rule so the eventX device node won't jump around on every reboot
[09:13] <cap10morgan> am i barking up the right tree? :)
[09:56] <fbond|away> cap10morgan: can't offer much advice here, as I don't know much about that
[10:05] <nexu> can anyone tell me how to deal with when trying to build a deb and one of the build dependency depends on itself?
[10:10] <Gloubiboulga> nexu, if you find a solution you'll make the world better
[10:11] <Gloubiboulga> I don't know if it's possible without a manual intervention
[10:11] <nexu> :/
[10:12] <nexu> why would people even make packages who depends on themself?
[10:12] <nexu> whats the point
[10:13] <nexu> so how should i go to do a manual intervention ?
[10:15] <Gloubiboulga> nexu, by creating a chroot without pbuilder I guess
[10:16] <Gloubiboulga> I guess the package is a new version, and depends on an old version, right?
[10:17] <nexu> this is with libboost-filesystem
[10:18] <Gloubiboulga> do you try to rebuild the package or to update it?
[10:21] <nexu> Gloubiboulga: import
[10:21] <nexu> Gloubiboulga: its not packaged at all what i'm trying to build
[10:22] <Gloubiboulga> ok... I've never tried that, but I guess you'll need to apt-get install the version in the repositories before building the one you want
[10:23] <nexu> you mean on my working system ?
[10:23] <nexu> or for the chroot ?
[10:26] <Gloubiboulga> nexu, I think I don't understand what you actually want to do (might be a little tired ;)
[10:28] <nexu> ok basically, i 'm packaging a program that need libboost-filesystem
[10:28] <nexu> so i added the -dev to its builddepend
[10:28] <nexu> but pbuilder tells me during dependency checking:
[10:28] <nexu>  -> Considering  libboost-filesystem-dev
[10:28] <nexu>    -> Trying libboost-filesystem-dev
[10:28] <nexu>        -> Cannot install libboost-filesystem-dev; apt errors follow:
[10:29] <nexu> so i checked for libboost-filesystem-dev depend
[10:29] <nexu> Replaces: libboost-dev (<< 1.31.0-1)
[10:29] <nexu> Depends: libboost-dev (= 1.33.1-2), libboost-filesystem1.33.1 (= 1.33.1-2)
[10:30] <nexu> anyway
[10:30] <nexu> this is my first time trying to do this
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> that looks normal
[10:30] <nexu> i know how to compile by hand
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> what's the exact apt error?
[10:31] <nexu> Package libboost-filesystem-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:31] <nexu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:31] <nexu> is only available from another source
[10:31] <nexu> erez: Package libboost-filesystem-dev has no installation candidate
[10:34] <Gloubiboulga> it works fine here, have you updated your pbuilder ?
[10:36] <nexu> 'sudo pbuilder update' that?
[10:37] <Gloubiboulga> yzq
[10:37] <Gloubiboulga> yes*
[10:37] <nexu> yeah
[10:38] <Gloubiboulga> hmm
[10:40] <Gloubiboulga> Have you built other packages with your pbuilder without any problem?
[10:40] <nexu> erm negative
[10:40] <nexu> this is first time i was trying
[10:40] <nexu> actually
[10:40] <nexu> it did passed the depend before
[10:40] <nexu> but than the ./configure couldnt find the needed filed
[10:40] <nexu> files
[10:40] <nexu> because i didnt added the proper libboost -dev
[10:41] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[10:41] <Gloubiboulga> is it a edgy pbuilder?
[10:42] <nexu> no
[10:42] <nexu> dapper
[10:42] <Gloubiboulga> could you upload the source package somewhere, I can try here
[10:55] <zul> hey
[10:55] <ajmitch> hi
[10:56] <zul> miss me?  :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:56] <ajmitch> sure
[10:57] <zul> liar
[10:57] <ajmitch> heh