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[03:46] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:47] <pschulz01> Morning Hobbsee.
[03:47] <pschulz01> In there any information on what's been happening in France?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi pschulz01 
[03:49] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: i think the conference ended, and they just had a final dinner...
[03:50] <pschulz01> any of the work online yet?
[03:50] <zul> Hobbsee: and they got drunk and played ping pong?
[03:50] <pschulz01> :-)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> zul: probably.  i wouldnt know, i'm not there
[03:50] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: should be the wiki pages attached to each of the specs
[03:51] <Mithrandir> no ping pong, but plenty of people got drunk
[03:51] <pschulz01> Is anyone blogging, or are they all too drunk?
[03:52] <Mithrandir> I'm blogging and drunk, why?
[03:52] <pschulz01> Link?
[03:53] <Mithrandir> http://err.no/personal/blog is my personal "everything I feel like blogging about" blog with both personal stuff as well as technical posts which are syndicated onto other planets.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: it's around 4am there.  
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[03:54] <pschulz01> Hobbsee: There are lots of people who wsh they were there.. especially at 4am in the morning.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> oh i know
[03:55] <pschulz01> Mithrandir: Thanks... 
[03:55] <neuralis> pschulz01: mako posted some thoughts on newsforge
[03:56] <pschulz01> Was that the 'part 1'? I saw that,, 
[03:56] <neuralis> http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/06/06/22/1524249.shtml?tid=138&tid=18&tid=2
[03:56] <neuralis> it wasn't in parts.
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[03:59] <pschulz01> Thanks all... happy recovering.
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[04:03] <Hobbsee> night Mithrandir 
[04:04] <zul> c ya Mithrandir 
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[05:23] <jmg> iwj
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[09:14] <mon> #kubuntu-devel
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[09:48] <Lathiat> whens the net language pack update?
[09:48] <Lathiat> or whats the schedule?
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[10:13] <mdke> Lathiat: first monday of each month
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[10:15] <Lathiat> hm ok cheers, not too far away i guess
[10:15] <mdke> nope, monday after next I suppose
[10:15] <Lathiat> (theres a nasty bug in the en_AU translation atm that shows 'keyboard label' on every menu with a shortcut item that has been fixed but not released yet)
[10:15] <Lathiat> ah, hrm
[10:16] <mdke> Lathiat: there are daily language packs if you can't wait
[10:16] <Lathiat> yeh thats a while away
[10:16] <Lathiat> its not even just me it is quite a nasty bug to have for like 3-4 weeks ;p
[10:16] <Lathiat> hrm where do you get those?
[10:16] <mdke> at ~pitti
[10:16] <Lathiat> cheers
[10:16] <mdke>  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/dapper-updates ./
[10:20] <Lathiat> hrm any idea how to debmirror that
[10:20] <Lathiat> it cant seem to get over the lack of section
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[10:24] <mdke> Lathiat: no idea. Martin will know I suppose
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[10:56] <Pupeno> Hello.
[10:57] <Pupeno> If I want to play with the installer, that is, trying to add a feature I have in my head... how should I do it ? how should I set it up ?
[10:58] <jpatrick> Can someone explain what the diff between https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kdmtheme and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme is?
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[11:13] <neuralis> Pupeno: are you talking about the graphical installer, or the textual (alternate CD) one?
[11:13] <Pupeno> neuralis: I think my feature is for the graphical one.
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[11:19] <neuralis> Pupeno: the version in dapper is package 'ubiquity', you can grab its source as any other source package
[11:19] <Pupeno> neuralis: but, how do I test it ?
[11:19] <neuralis> Pupeno: the bzr branch appears to be http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/ubiquity/ubuntu/ but i can't tell if that's fully up to date.
[11:20] <neuralis> Pupeno: well, depends on how you're planning to change it. it might be easiest to ask colin how he does testing on it, and adopt his workflow.
[11:20] <Pupeno> neuralis: ok. Thanks.
[11:21] <neuralis> Pupeno: you can poke him on IRC when he's around (kamion), or mail ubuntu-devel about it; it's sufficiently interesting that i recommend the latter
[11:24] <Pupeno> Thanks.
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[11:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: one is from kubuntu and one is from debian
[11:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: I've filed a bug for one of them to be removed
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[12:32] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok
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[12:41] <Hobbsee> hi again all
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[02:16] <Hobbsee> Kaloz: nice :)
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[02:18] <Kaloz> and then fix thermal management :P figured out some problems already, but now i'm hitting a wall with installation of the base system, and the kernel screams about the installer is trying to access beyond the end of the deivce
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[02:30] <hunger> Any chance of getting an upgraded libglib2.0-dev? It is older than libglib2.0-0 at the moment.
[02:31] <hunger> in edgy that is...
[02:39] <Amaranth> hunger: it's probably got some reason it didn't make it to the archive
[02:39] <Amaranth> hunger: they come from the same source package
[02:40] <hunger> Amaranth: Yes, I guess so. Is there a way for me to find out what is going on?
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[02:41] <Amaranth> dunno
[02:41] <Amaranth> it might be in the process of being uploaded to the archive/sent to the mirror
[02:41] <Amaranth> otherwise if one didn't make it neither would
[02:42] <hunger> Amaranth: I noticed this a couple of days ago. It should have made it to the mirrors in the meantime:-(
[02:42] <hunger> Amaranth: Is there a way for "outsiders" to find out where a deb got stuck?
[02:42] <Amaranth> I dunno, I'm an "outsider". :P
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[02:43] <hunger> Amaranth: Well, I can always build the debs themselves from source:-|
[02:43] <hunger> Amaranth: Even though doing so feels so gentooish;-)
[02:46] <hunger> Damn... I can't. The source deb is 2.10.2, just like the deb of the headers. The lib itself is 2.10.3.
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[03:05] <zul> hey
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[06:36] <mako> tseng: hey dude, i lost you after i got my badge
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[07:56] <tseng> mako: yo
[07:56] <tseng> mako: i was talking to benm then sorry
[07:56] <tseng> mako: 10:01 < zakame> ooh new code of conduct
[07:56] <tseng> zakame: where are you ? :)
[07:59] <tseng> mako: $ diff -ruN coc100 coc101 | wc -l
[07:59] <tseng> 32
[07:59] <tseng> *shrug*
[08:00] <tseng> i broke the hinge on my laptop, this really blows
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[09:02] <benroot> sfllaw may i please 2u for a few minutes ?
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[09:10] <benroot> introduction:  i'm ben - i have a computer retail shop in south africa.  tommorrow i'm having a meeting with AMD's director for the middle east and africa regarding FlexiGo.  flexigo is Microsofts inistiative for prepaid PC's to developing countries.  I want to try to convince AMD to not only limit the conmcept to the MS O/S but also to give OSS a chance.  I need confirmation form a developer that ubuntu would in principle be willing to
[09:10] <benroot>  support a 'pay as u go' prepaid facility
[09:12] <benroot> the concpet is basically that people can buy a PC for an upfront downpmt of 1/3 of the computers value. during the first 800 hrs of operation is limited to the amount of time purchased via a prepaid voucher
[09:12] <Chipzz> a meeting on a sunday?
[09:13] <Chipzz> anyway, I think most developers are absent (or not very active) during the weekend
[09:13] <Chipzz> it may be a while before you get an answer
[09:13] <benroot> mmm
[09:17] <benroot> iok in any case i'll make the statement that it would be better to have the preapaid function only in the hardware and independant of the software - so that consumers can have a choice about which operating system the want to use
[09:18] <benroot> it would however be nice to be able to say that developers is willing to give it a go on linux also.  apparently AMD has developed a chip especially for this purpose.
[09:21] <HiddenWolf> benroot: most of the developers are coming home from the conference today, might be a while.
[09:22] <neuralis> benroot: what kind of commitment would you be specifically looking for from ubuntu?
[09:22] <neuralis> benroot: if it's allocation of developer time and public commitment, you need to mail mark directly.
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[09:23] <benroot> at this stage only a willingness to get involved
[09:23] <benroot> i don't want the linux community to be left behind shen prepaid pc's hit the market
[09:23] <benroot> it would be nice to ofer a choice between xp and ubuntu as O/S
[09:24] <benroot> since it is a MS initiative - they have asked AMD not to deal with me directly
[09:25] <neuralis> yes, but you need to explain what exactly "a willingess to get involved" means to you.
[09:27] <benroot> AMD's interest is to sell CPU's and not necesessarily an O/S together.  if the limitation of operation is only in the hardware - and not software dependant it would be great - but if there is some software functionality to be added in order to make the preapdaid system work - then we need a commitment that linux developers will start a project to support the preapaid system
[09:27] <neuralis> benroot: in the ubuntu world, that commitment can only come from mark; not the developers. 
[09:27] <neuralis> unless we're talking about spare time, unofficial involvement, which obviously anyone's free to provide.
[09:28] <benroot> in such a case i can ask AMD tommorrow to keep OSS in mind and give consumers a choice about the O/S
[09:29] <neuralis> benroot: mark -at- ubuntu.com.
[09:29] <benroot> AMD's representative in SA phoned me today and informed me that MS has 'ordered' them that they (MS) will take up the initiative and they are not about to discuss the FlexiGo system with me - so we will be discussing 'general' AMD stuff - but i'm in any case going to raise the matter.
[09:30] <benroot> neuralis:  ok i'll pop mark an email
[09:31] <neuralis> benroot: BCC me, and i'll pass it on to a couple of other people. 
[09:32] <benroot> neural:  ok u email plz
[09:32] <neuralis> benroot: ivan at radian.org.
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[10:29] <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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