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[03:00] <_ion> She's really a he. [03:00] right [03:04] hmm === fbond|away is now known as fbond [03:08] what does "assignee" mean in specs? [03:08] is that the person assigned to do the work? [03:09] i believe so [03:10] i thought paris was only talking about specs that had the author in attendance [03:11] paris is talking about any specs that matter to my knowledge [03:11] grr [03:11] i should have applied for sponsorship [03:12] my specs been hijacked and assigned to someone else === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-221-80.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] oh well [03:17] meh === Rotund [n=joe@69-179-13-147.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p50804949.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === pschulz01 [n=paul@203.30.88.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.179] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] morning all [03:47] afternoon [03:48] hi Hobbsee [03:48] also hi ajmitch [03:49] not quite noon here yet :P [03:49] hey Mithrandir, how are you diong? [03:49] slightly tipsy, blogging about my day before going to bed. [03:49] hehe [03:49] also trying to find if Karianne has sent me any mails or not. [03:49] hello Mithrandir [03:49] the blog is at? [03:50] http://err.no/personal/blog [03:50] that's the "everything I feel like blogging about" blog [03:50] it has some categories which are put onto planets and suchs [03:50] -s [03:50] but not all of it === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp0-247.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Erlang [i=neumann@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760460.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] Hey there Hobbsee [04:02] hi Hawkwind [04:02] zleeep [04:02] and sober up [04:02] Hobbsee: I made the leap to Kubuntu as my main OS today :) [04:03] Hawkwind: yay! [04:04] I'm still trying to get everything setup from the old OS [04:04] nice :) [04:05] But having issues :( [04:05] I can't seem to bring up a GUI editor for something like /etc/ssh/sshd_config [04:05] I've tried kwrite, gedit and others, and it tells me it can't connect to the X server [04:07] ouch === sean_ [n=sean@71-214-92-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-92-217.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] hey folks [04:15] hi antinobody [04:18] Hey Hobbsee [04:19] it only took me like three hours to sign the code of conduct [04:19] You don't happen to know how to get a pgp-key from one computer onto another? [04:20] copy your .gnupg folder [04:20] copy the /.gnupg folder across [04:20] ~/.gnupg, that is [04:20] wassup Hobbsee [04:20] not a lot, thinking about breakfast [04:20] right im off to bed.. [04:21] hello and goodnight zul [04:21] gracas Hobbsee [04:21] y linuxmonkey [04:47] Hobbsee, pong [04:47] rob: back where i pinged you, Toadstool was asking something about dolphin. thought it might have related to you. [04:47] oh, probably :) [04:48] what did he want? [04:51] i think it was something about uploading a new version? [04:51] oh, I appear to have uploaded the wrong package to revu [04:51] fixing now [04:52] must have been day dreaming when I uploaded that [05:00] hehe [05:00] re [05:00] rob: hi :) [05:00] hi Toadstool [05:00] and hi Hobbsee too [05:00] hey Toadstool === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [05:01] rob: did you upload the latest version of your package? [05:02] uploading now [05:02] oh, [05:02] Uploading via ftp dolphin_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of dolphin_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [05:02] someone will have to remove that first [05:03] hmm... you can force a new version with a particular command line switch iirc [05:03] like -f :) [05:03] I thought that was -f, which I'm using [05:04] ok... [05:04] but still get that error [05:04] ask an admin to fix it? [05:04] yep [05:04] ajmitch: likes fixing such things [05:04] umm yeah :) [05:04] ping siretart or ajmitch ;) === ajmitch sighs [05:04] ^ [05:04] what now? [05:04] hehe [05:05] can you please delete dolphin_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.dsc === Toadstool hugs ajmitch [05:05] people who break uploads... === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === rob runs [05:05] i thought that was my job! [05:05] breaking things. [05:05] fixed now [05:06] thank you ajmitch :) [05:06] Hobbsee: we all know you can break things but you're far better at getting new stuff in universe afaik ;) [05:06] haha [05:06] new stuff? no === Hobbsee had a package. then someone else packaged it and stole it. [05:07] heh === Hobbsee couldnt make it work, but even so. [05:07] didn't do a debian RFC/ITP? [05:07] ah [05:07] s/RFC/RFP [05:09] Toadstool, its uploaded now, might take a few minutes to appear in revu though [05:10] yep, thanks ;) [05:10] ok, looks like it didn't take that much time [05:10] are you going to review it? [05:11] yep [05:11] nice :) [05:12] rob: I don't think this is a Debian native package... could you please upload it with dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa? [05:12] oh, debuild/pbuild no good? [05:12] nope [05:13] hmm, I'm sure that was what is in the Ubuntu packaging guide [05:13] but ok [05:13] you need to have the upstream tarball in the root directory [05:13] following the package_version.orig.tar.gz scheme [05:15] so this is right?: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -k'Robert Stoffers' && sudo pbuilder-dapper build ../*.dsc [05:17] yeah but forget about the pbuilder stuff (for the moment) and copy the source tarball (using the package_version.orig.tar.gz scheme) in your source directory first [05:19] rob: in debian/control description also please forget the dot at the end of the first line and use the latest debian policy version (which is 3.7.2.1 now) [05:19] wow that changes quick [05:19] :) [05:19] Toadstool: 3.7.2 is sufficient [05:20] ajmitch: well, for NEW packages, I think that the latest policy is the best choice :) [05:20] the 4th digit is for minor changes only, not policy changes [05:20] so you only ever need the 1st 3 digits [05:20] I know that this is only typo changes [05:21] rob: you can do the building and testing etc in the pbuilder, then run it thru dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa at the end, if you like - tha'ts what i do [05:25] hmm === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee has an edgybuild, dapperbuild, and revubuild script :_ [05:28] * :) [05:28] it works. [05:28] hello MOTU World [05:28] hi Gloubiboulga [05:28] hi Gloubiboulga [05:28] hello Gloubiboulba [05:28] hello Gloubiboulga [05:29] hi rob, hi antinobody [05:29] hi Gloubiboulga [05:29] Toadstool, already awake, or not yet gone to bed ? :) [05:29] Gloubiboulga: wow...this is really early :) [05:29] not yet gone to bed [05:29] hey Hobbsee :) [05:29] working on SLiM ;) [05:30] hehe, fun [05:30] Toadstool, I guess you've triage bugs during the night :p [05:30] Toadstool: where are you? [05:30] triaged* [05:30] Hobbsee: France :) [05:30] Toadstool: ah. is that where you usually live, or you're just there for the conference? [05:31] Hobbsee: I'm French but about to leave and work in California for a year [05:31] nice! [05:31] indeed :) [05:31] ok, uploading again [05:32] cool rob [05:33] ok done [05:33] it didn't appear to upload the orig.tar.gz though, should it? [05:34] if you upload on REVU the .orig should be there [05:34] +1 [05:34] ok, maybe it just didn't say it [05:34] pdebuild doesn't add the orig.tar.gz file by default [05:35] (I once had the same problem :)) [05:35] ok its appeared now (the orig.tar.gz is listed on the revu page [05:35] is that sufficient, or am I missing something? [05:36] I must be missing something 'cause I don't have the upstream tarball... [05:38] the orig.tar.gz is in the same directory as the tar.gz from upstream and the source. files and .dsc file, is that correct? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] rob: yep, you're right [05:41] rob: did you get a .diff.gz file too? [05:41] yes [05:41] I think you should have a MOTU school session about "how do I create a source package" :) [05:41] hehe [05:41] :) [05:41] yeah, we need some more of them - they're useful. [05:42] Gloubiboulga: you can run it [05:42] yep [05:42] ajmitch, yes :) [05:42] what is the difference between .orig.tar.gz and the upstream .tar.gz other the the file name? [05:42] the file name ;) [05:42] so why have both? === Hobbsee notes that the .diff.gz is not uploaded either. is it named correctly? [05:43] dolphin_0.5.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [05:44] Gloubiboulga: just set a time & date, write up something & do it [05:45] sigh, I'm not seeing any other packages in revu that have the tar.gz listed, just the orig.tar.gz (which mine is) [05:45] woah, what happen there (just reloaded the page)? [05:47] ajmitch, I will, I just have to find when the best time & date are ;) [05:47] bbiab [05:47] Gloubiboulga: "the best time & date are" <-- as soon as possible? :) === Toadstool hides [05:52] anyone who wants to review slim? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2491) [05:53] :) [05:53] ok, I'm not sure what happen with that last upload to revu, but this one should be better (uploading now) [05:56] Gloubiboulga: lol sorry for not getting back to you [05:57] Gloubiboulga: i wanted to learn how to make a package myself so i went to searching how to fix it [05:57] Gloubiboulga: i fixed it eventually [05:58] hi [05:58] if a user reported a problem in a wrong package, can I just change that? [05:59] 6am...time to go to bed I suppose :) [05:59] g'night everybody [06:00] haha [06:00] same here [06:00] nictuku: yep [06:01] nictuku: just reassign it to the correct source package - you certainly used to be able to do that [06:03] ok. #50815 phpldapadmin -> php4 - for php4-ldap [06:03] php4-ldap is in php4, right? [06:03] checked with apt-cache show php4-ldap |grep Source === Hobbsee wouldnt have the foggiest clue [06:04] looks to be in php4, yep [06:04] bug 50815 [06:04] Malone bug 50815 in php4 "doesn't work with apache2, i.e. http://localhost/phpldapadmin fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50815 === antinobody never has the foggiest clue, and appreciates the company [06:05] bah [06:06] upgrading this amd4 server to dapper and the lvm2 package is broken [06:06] nictuku: ah hang on. is it a phpldapadmin bug, or a php4-ldap bug? [06:06] amd64 === bockman [n=bockman@ool-18bad083.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] Hobbsee, reported as phpldapadmin, but it *would* be a bug in php4-ldap [06:06] works for me, anyway [06:06] crimsun, any luck with that openvpn bug? (bug #45827) [06:06] Malone bug 45827 in openvpn "openvpn old security problems (Breezy)" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45827 [06:06] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lvm2_2.02.02-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [06:07] subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10 [06:07] nictuku: the binary package hint is wrong, but it's listed in the right source location [06:07] Hobbsee, it is because i fixed it [06:08] ah [06:08] Hobbsee, it was listed in phpldapadmin [06:08] :-) [06:08] right - didnt realise you'd changed it :P [06:09] mmm. [06:10] hmm [06:10] well I just commented out the preinst script ;P [06:10] Hobbsee: anything interesting going on in Ubuntu? :) [06:10] I'm not sure that its me stuffing this up, I think revu might be doing something funky [06:10] Hobbsee: (good articles are selling for $150, maybe I can make some money...) [06:10] its listing an old version, 0.5.1, but I'm uploading 0.5.2 [06:10] bluefoxicy: sure, a conference ending. [06:11] conference? [06:12] bluefoxicy: developers conference, in paris [06:12] it ended last night paris time, i believe [06:13] ah [06:14] Last...oh, right, it's Saturday where you are [06:14] Hobbsee: no new revolutionary features in Edgy? Major security improvements (I just may write about stack protection if it goes into full mode, or if I can get an official statement...), major performance boosts (too bad we can't use direct linking)? [06:15] antinobody: it's about 6am in paris too, so it was last night there too [06:15] Right, but it's about 9pm Friday here, and that's what I meant [06:16] I should learn how to merge... [06:16] Does anyone know what determines what Debian package we'll move to for Edgy? [06:17] antinobody: the one in debian unstable, and we have to check if none of the ubuntu patches are still needed [06:18] bluefoxicy: i wouldnt know - but the specs on launchpad would - they should be mostly filled in now. [06:19] cool. [06:19] Hobbsee: right, that makes sense. I'll go practice now, who should I talk to when I've gotten the hang of it, who will have use of me [06:19] ? [06:19] here's my output when uploading: http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1062691471 [06:20] antinobody: hmmm.. any of the MOTU's, i believe. i'm not sure how they're marking a package being done or not - kde has a list of items and whether they've been synced or not [06:20] I'm thinking revu is rejecting it somehow [06:21] rob: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2493 [06:21] it's not - the id changes for each upload === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] ok === Hobbsee just uploads *.changes from that directory, which seems to pick up all the files they want. [06:22] Hobbsee: Where might one find this list? [06:23] antinobody: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates [06:24] is everything there now? [06:24] but there's going to be a whole long universe one too - and most MOTU's wont upload kde stuff [06:24] rob: looks like it to me [06:24] thank god, thought I was going nuts then [06:25] the only errors I'm getting is saying that edgy is a bad distribution and standards-version 3.7.2.1 is too new, is this ok to ignore? [06:25] yes [06:26] ok, thanks ajmitch [06:27] hopefully I haven't missed anything now [06:27] Hobbsee: gracas otra vez [06:28] antinobody: what are the last two words? [06:32] otra vez manys another time, but it's the Spanish equivalent of "again" [06:32] many --> means [06:32] Lo siento [06:32] ah [06:32] i see :) [06:33] I need to be more creative though, next time you help me, I'll come up with something overly flowering to say to in thanks [06:33] hehe [06:34] like gracas chica que sabe todo [06:45] antinobody: then i'd have to go to mighty babelfish :P === nixternal`v2 [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] Hobbsee: Well, I mean, you could just ASK what I said, but babelfish is an option [06:48] albeit, not the best option in the world [06:48] antinobody: that is true. that's hwat i usually do [06:49] did you figure out what the last one what? [06:49] err was? [06:49] I need to stop typoing [06:49] nope [06:49] you could also learn spanish [06:50] he's right, it's not that hard [06:50] it's a language that is spoken worldwide [06:50] and always useful to know [06:50] although raphink had the advantage of a latin-based first language [06:50] Hobbsee: antinobody said "thank you girl who knows everything" [06:50] ah :) [06:50] antinobody: that's right, but I didn't only learn latin languages afterwards ;) [06:50] gracas small that knows everything was the babelfish translation === Hobbsee only knows english and some german :( [06:51] small? [06:51] proof is I know english ;) [06:51] true [06:51] small? [06:51] chica means girl [06:51] yeah it does, it sure as hell doesn't mean small... [06:52] small is pequena [06:52] or poco [06:52] well that's what i thought, as a chick is a girl, so... [06:52] in that case [06:52] well, that's little, to be precise [06:52] antinobody: poco is few/little [06:52] Hobbsee: well thought === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-16-1.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] Hobbsee: but although a chick is a maid, a chicken is not a maiden [06:52] :p [06:53] hehe [06:53] clever [06:53] or I totally misunderstand english ;) [06:54] pom pom pom [06:54] well, a maid is someone who cleans things, it doesnt only just refer to a female or a woman [06:55] ah [06:55] Ok, new question. What does one do if, when merging, the dapper version is say 3 (as in the xcdroast example), but the debian archives only have say 3.1 [06:55] to be precise 3ubuntu1 [06:56] ... [06:56] can't be [06:56] yea, maid in reference to a woman has actually fallen out of use [06:56] but tis [06:56] debian version can't be 3ubuntu1 [06:56] ...no that's the dapper [06:56] the debian is 3.1 [06:56] "debian archives only have say 3.1" raphink ;) [06:56] unless you mean ubuntu version = 3ubuntu1 [06:56] and debian = 3.1 [06:56] right? [06:56] s [06:57] Gloubiboulga: ah toi aussi t lev ctheure l? [06:57] raphink, si senior [06:57] antinobody: then it depends if the changes made in 3ubuntu1 from 3 have to be applied to 3.1 again [06:57] if it's the case, then you merge into 3.1ubuntu1 [06:58] otherwise you request a sync of 3.1, if 3.1 builds fine in edgy without a change [06:58] Gloubiboulga: porque? [06:58] raphink, 'cause my girlfriend starts working 7h [06:58] ah right [06:59] good reason [06:59] :) === raphink hopes to go to the mountains this morning [06:59] for a hike [06:59] The edgy version should actually be 7 or 7ubuntu1 [07:00] the DAPPER was 3ubuntu1 [07:00] and the closest debian to that is 3.1 [07:00] me entiendes? [07:00] ..... [07:00] what is the CURRENT debian version? [07:00] in sid [07:00] 7 [07:00] ah rioght [07:00] right === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-6-43-90.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] then you have to either merge into 7ubuntu1 [07:01] or request a sync if the merge is not necessary [07:01] right... [07:02] at the moment, I'm following the little example from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging [07:02] mhm [07:02] and I'm at the stage where I debdiff the old ubuntu and debian versions [07:02] Does anyone know when the fixed version of qgo will be put in the repo? right now it just segfaults [07:02] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qgo/+bug/4048 [07:02] Malone bug 4048 in qgo "[Dapper] qgo segmentation fault" [Medium,Confirmed] [07:02] ok :) [07:02] polpak: when you provide it for example :) [07:03] upstream fixed the issue [07:03] Does it not matter that the original debian version used for the old ubuntu isn't there? [07:03] ok then the package needs to be upgraded [07:03] antinobody: why would it matter? [07:03] no s... [07:03] antinobody: we want to stay as close to Debian as possible [07:03] for how long as possible [07:03] for many reason [07:03] reasons [07:04] mostly because this way we don't have to maintain most packages in Universe while not having enough manpower for that [07:04] polpak, the new release will certainly go into edgy, and a backport might be possible then [07:04] so we can concentrate on the improvements we want to add in ubuntu [07:04] I know, but I like to be thorough when learning something new [07:04] so I ask many unnecessary questions [07:04] Gloubiboulga: ergh.. even though it's just a bugfix? right now qgo is competly useless [07:05] so later on, there are less mistakes [07:05] antinobody: not unecessary if they make sense to you [07:05] precisely [07:05] polpak, I understand, but for the moment we can't do more I guess [07:06] Gloubiboulga: I thought that bug fixes were being released for the current version? [07:08] polpak, a few bug fixes go to dapper-updates, but most of them are done in the current development release (e.g. egdy now) [07:08] I don't even know if universe packages can be fixed in dapper-update, can they? [07:09] Gloubiboulga: if they're really broken, i think they can [07:10] well it's really broken if that helps.. ;p [07:10] just segfaults [07:10] oh yeah, a segfault hehe [07:10] If not.. this means I am going to have to actually write that python GO client I've been trying to avoid === Hobbsee thinks there's some exception thingo for that. surely the bugfix for dapper will need to go into edgy as well? [07:12] cause I can't go for 6 months w/o playing GO. ;p [07:13] hehe [07:14] well, it looks like a new release is in edgy already [07:14] Gloubiboulga: does it actually run ? [07:15] hmm, actually no, still the same version than in dapper [07:16] Gloubiboulga: I think the maintainer fixed it in the CVS version, but wanted help from the ubuntu package maintainer to test it [07:16] at least thats what the notes say on the bug [07:19] ok, I was right, 1.5 is in edgy, I'm installing it to test [07:19] Gloubiboulga: I can teach you to play if you want.. ;p [07:19] hehe :) [07:20] it still segfaults... [07:20] ah.. then the fix is still just in CVS [07:20] I guess [07:21] ergh [07:21] guess I'm going to have to actually work for it then [07:22] brb === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] raphink or Hobbsee: What would I do if the ubuntu version for dapper was higher than the debian unstable versions at present? (i.e. katapult) [07:35] when merging... [07:35] antinobody, nothing [07:36] then why is it on the KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates list? Is it taken care of in some other way? [07:39] I don't know, I'm not a K guy, but I guess there's nothing to do about it === jinty [n=jinty@83-65-231-90.work.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] Well, I'm just picking random packages to try and practice with. I'm not actually going to upload any of this, I'm just learning how to merge, so I'm of some use as we start merging [07:44]