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| neutrinomass | While packaging something, how does one figure out the build-deps ? In the Debian new maintainers guide there's a script, but it doesn't give version numbers. How pedantic should one be in build-deps (e.g. should one not list build-essential ?) ? | 01:04 |
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| crimsun_ | if you're creating a Ubuntu source package from scratch, as pedantic as possible. | 01:05 |
| _ion | If upstream uses autoconf, it's quite easy to figure out the deps by reading configure.ac | 01:05 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. Thanks. | 01:05 |
| crimsun_ | if you're adjusting a merge from Debian, my personal approach is not to hack at the build-deps locally. Sending a diff upstream works better, but sometimes there's a good reason to have certain b-ds. | 01:06 |
| crimsun_ | build-essential should never be a b-d anyhow. | 01:06 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: Ok, so it's "gcc autotools " etc. - this is probably because "build-essential" may change after a while I guess, right ? | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | export WORK=~/files/livecd/ | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | whoops | 01:08 |
| crimsun_ | neutrinomass: gcc shouldn't be a b-d, either, unless a package requires a specific non-default version | 01:08 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: OK, thanks again :) | 01:08 |
| crimsun_ | neutrinomass: autotools shouldn't be necessary to build most packages, but imo it's preferable to having autotools junk in the diff.gz | 01:08 |
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| neutrinomass | So Build deps are just the "unusual" packages that need to be present (Agreed @ autotools, you're right - but libc should be a dependency ) | 01:18 |
| crimsun_ | anything over and beyond build-essential, generally. | 01:18 |
| neutrinomass | Ok thanks :) | 01:19 |
| crimsun_ | granted I don't do any nexenta porting, so I don't know their policy | 01:19 |
| crimsun_ | I imagine they deal with things beyond our build-essential, since they have a completely different toolchain | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | crimsun_, any idea what " ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy means " ? | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | err | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | crimsun_, any idea what " ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy " means ? | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | ahh nm i think i got it | 01:27 |
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| neutrinomass | apt-get install pine fails with "Package pine is not available, but is referred to by another package.". At least pgp4pine refers to it. Is this a bug ? | 02:52 |
| neutrinomass | ( I have multiverse/universe enabled ) | 02:54 |
| antinobody | what is pine? | 03:05 |
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| antinobody | neutrinomass: you still there? | 03:06 |
| antinobody | !pine | 03:08 |
| antinobody | Hmm...ubotu seems to not be in this channel | 03:08 |
| antinobody | perhaps I should have looks | 03:09 |
| antinobody | *ed | 03:09 |
| _ion | Pine is a MUA, AFAIR with a non-free license. | 03:10 |
| antinobody | it isn't in the debian repos either, that it's referenced is the bug, I suppose | 03:11 |
| _ion | Well, a bunch of media player packages suggest w32codecs, which is a good thing IMO. It's available from unofficial repositories. pgp4pine doesn't _depend_ on pine. | 03:13 |
| crimsun_ | neutrinomass: it's not a bug. pine is listed as an alternate fulfilling the pine|pine396-src Suggests | 03:18 |
| crimsun_ | (a legit bug would be if it were listed as a Recommends, since then the default behaviour of aptitude would be to attempt to install it) | 03:19 |
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| neutrinomass | antinobody: A mail client I think ... | 03:34 |
| antinobody | really? odd | 03:34 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: Then where is pine in the repos? pine396-src gives a similar error ... | 03:35 |
| crimsun_ | neutrinomass: it's decidedly non-free. | 03:35 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: Oh, yes (I missed the above discussion) | 03:35 |
| neutrinomass | crimsun_: Again thanks and sorry to disturb (there was a person in #ubuntu asking about it which led me to ask in here) :) | 03:37 |
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| Kyral | hoy Hobbsee | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | hi Kyral! | 04:38 |
| nexu | is there is way to make the signing of the packages non-interactive | 04:42 |
| nexu | as in | 04:42 |
| nexu | suitable for script batch | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | moins Hobbsee | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | nexu, maybe an expect scipt ( not very secure though ) | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' | sort -n | 04:44 |
| nexu | imbrandon: elaborate what - not very secure - mean | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | gah | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | nexu, expect , its a type of scipting like bash | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | scripting* | 04:44 |
| nexu | how can i do that? | 04:44 |
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| Kyral | Gah! Its the weekend | 04:46 |
| Kyral | why the HELL am I reading through kdebase API documentation?! | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: no it isnt. it's monday for you. | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: to fix it, now get going. | 04:47 |
| Kyral | no | 04:47 |
| Kyral | writing my editor can wait | 04:47 |
| Kyral | weekend == no work | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral weekend == lots of work | 04:47 |
| Kyral | ..shaddup Hobbsee | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | nah.... | 04:48 |
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| imbrandon | hahaha Hobbsee picked up one of my bad habbits ( blah == blah ) , next she'll be typing "right right" hehe | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: heh, no. that's c++ you know, and i'm supposed to remember it for next semester | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:55 |
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| antinobody | hi folks | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi antinobody | 05:37 |
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| antinobody_ | anyone know what or why this ratbert is? | 05:47 |
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| Yagisan | G'day Hobbsee | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | hi Yagisan | 06:36 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, wow you have an idiot in -devel too :P | 06:47 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: hmmm? | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah | 06:48 |
| elkbuntu | ooh, wrong channel, im all confuzzled today | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | they're notices, you can reroute them. wheres the problem? | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 06:48 |
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| elkbuntu | or more to the point.. just dont pay attention to them ;) | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 06:50 |
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| antinobody | Hobbsee I'm finding that merging requires me to actually know something about the package I'm merging | 08:29 |
| antinobody | Am I just thinking too hard? | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | antinobody: no, i think you would have to know something about the package you're merging | 08:30 |
| antinobody | that sounds like work... | 08:30 |
| antinobody | I need to take this one package at a time then, I think I'll arbitrarily choose a package to focus on learning about | 08:32 |
| TheMuso | Where can we find out about what needs merging etc? | 08:33 |
| antinobody | TheMuso Un momento | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: apparently there's no list for the general universe, but there's a kde package list | 08:34 |
| antinobody | aqu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging | 08:34 |
| antinobody | Oh, woops | 08:34 |
| antinobody | I need to learn how to read | 08:34 |
| antinobody | So far, I'm just guessing and checking | 08:34 |
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| antinobody | I pick a random universe package, and compare the debian unstable version to the dapper version | 08:34 |
| TheMuso | hmm ok. | 08:35 |
| === TheMuso decides to wait till he feels more awake to start merging. | ||
| antinobody | but seriously, I'm not someone you should ever ask advice from | 08:35 |
| antinobody | I'm relatively ignorant | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: hopefully soon they'll make one | 08:37 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. I'm sure everyone is only barely back from the summmit and need time to unwind. :) | 08:37 |
| antinobody | I've chosen the arbitrary package | 08:38 |
| antinobody | tis network-manager | 08:38 |
| antinobody | now I'll go back to bashing my head against the wall until I get tired and need to go back to sleep | 08:38 |
| tuxmaniac | hi Hobbsee | 08:39 |
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| Hobbsee | hi tuxmaniac :) | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | antinobody: you have to pick the tricky ones, don't you? | 08:40 |
| tuxmaniac | long time no see!! missed you all.. | 08:40 |
| antinobody | ajmitch por supuesto | 08:40 |
| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> anyways is the edgy repos up for some action? | 08:40 |
| antinobody | Olah tuxmaniac | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | tuxmaniac: they have been for awhil | 08:40 |
| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> Oops.. | 08:41 |
| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> I know that. But have the base packages been ported? | 08:41 |
| antinobody | which reminds me, I need to reboot now that I've upgraded to edgy on this partition | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | ported? | 08:41 |
| tuxmaniac | antinobody> olah | 08:41 |
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| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> I mean uploaded | 08:41 |
| tuxmaniac | :) | 08:41 |
| tuxmaniac | sorry wrong term | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | depends what you mean by base | 08:41 |
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| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> is it in a status where I can change my sources.list to edgy!! :-) | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | depends if you like breakage or not | 08:42 |
| tuxmaniac | ajmitch> heh. naughty fellow! | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: sure you can. just dont expect a working machine. | 08:43 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> well. then I will start this work on my sacrificial system then :D | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | haha wise idea | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: did you upgrade your laptop? | 08:43 |
| === StevenK is only running edgy in two chroots. | ||
| === Hobbsee is running edgy in one chroot, whcih probably should be updated again | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: I'm not that silly | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: darn! | 08:44 |
| === Hobbsee would have liked to see it. | ||
| StevenK | % ls -1 /var/cache/pbuilder/base-edgy-* | 08:44 |
| StevenK | /var/cache/pbuilder/base-edgy-amd64.tgz | 08:44 |
| StevenK | /var/cache/pbuilder/base-edgy-i386.tgz | 08:44 |
| StevenK | That's why I have two. | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | particularly gnome 2.15, to see if it's any better | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | yeha, figured that | 08:45 |
| Amaranth | gnome 2.15 isn't really there | 08:46 |
| Amaranth | just a couple of the easier to package pieces | 08:46 |
| StevenK | "Pointers to freenode currently include irc.debian.org, ..." | 08:46 |
| === StevenK scoffs | ||
| Hobbsee | er.. didnt debian move? | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: oh ok, darn. | 08:47 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Exactly. | 08:47 |
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| imbrandon | ahh StevenK pbuilders , thought you had some good old fashion chroots going like me ;) | 08:52 |
| StevenK | I have 6 pbuilder base tarballs, and one chroot. | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c edgy32 -d | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Executing shell in 'edgy32' chroot. | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | (edgy32)brandon@voyager:~$ exit | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | exit | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c edgy64 -d | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Executing shell in 'edgy64' chroot. | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | (edgy64)brandon@voyager:~$ exit | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | exit | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~$ | 08:54 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Have you had a look at schroot? | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | no | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | link ? | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | brb one sec, getting more dew | 08:55 |
| zakame | hmm dchroots | 08:56 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: You can install it, and it has a dchroot wrapper. | 08:57 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: It can be configured to mount bind mounts before chrooting in. | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | ahh i bind them in fstab with dchroot already | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | they are just mounted all the time | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | is the only diff i see | 08:58 |
| StevenK | I found mounting them all the time to be annoying. | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | /home /var/chroot/edgy/home none bind 0 0 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | /tmp /var/chroot/edgy/tmp none bind 0 0 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | /dev /var/chroot/edgy/dev none bind 0 0 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | proc-chroot-edgy /var/chroot/edgy/proc proc defaults 0 0 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | devpts-chroot-edgy /var/chroot/edgy/dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | kinda like that | 08:59 |
| StevenK | I know, I was using dchroot before Dapper. | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | is it a package ? or just a script somewhere ? | 08:59 |
| StevenK | It's a package. | 09:00 |
| StevenK | I think it Conflicts against dchroot. | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | i think we're about to have issues again | 09:01 |
| StevenK | It has a dchroot compat wrapper | 09:01 |
| zakame | cool | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: I'll probably install dapper in a spare partition & dist-upgrade it to edgy | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | assuming I can find the time | 09:06 |
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| Hobbsee | well, yeah | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | install it on the plane? | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | that would be a little pointless | 09:07 |
| antinobody | yeah, hard to dist-upgrade sin la red | 09:07 |
| antinobody | but then again, at least the install would be done | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah... | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | oops | 09:07 |
| antinobody | Hey! you were able to guess what I'd said Hobbsee | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | er, presumably "in the air" or something? | 09:09 |
| antinobody | Oh...guess not then | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:09 |
| antinobody | sin la red is "without the net" still, you got the point | 09:09 |
| antinobody | en la aire would be in the air | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | computers without net access are kinda pointless to me ;) | 09:14 |
| antinobody | I should learn to use vim, it seems to be more powerful than nano | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | anything i dont need the net for i use my ipod and / or pda , not a computer ;) | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi rob! | 09:15 |
| === imbrandon hugs nano and sed, and mumbles about not needing to learn anything else ( well maybe esc --> i --> <edit someting> --> :wq! ) | ||
| rob | hi Hobbsee | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | rob: finding anything interesting on your looking in? | 09:16 |
| rob | no, thankfully | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | rob: oh good. once is enough for the day :P | 09:17 |
| rob | yeah, tell me about it! | 09:17 |
| rob | just keeping a look out, I think we have the problem covered for now | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | rob: heh, right. i saw nalioth get killed about 10 mins ago by a guy under lilo's account, but havent seen anything else. | 09:18 |
| rob | yeah, we got attacked before | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | whether he intended to use a strange quit message or not, i dont know - he seems more mature than that | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | [01:55] <-- dagger has left this server (Killed by TomSawyer ()). | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | rob: the first time, or a second? | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | false alarm ;) | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | so it seems. oh well. | 09:19 |
| crimsun | hmm, my client seems to have ridden out the crackfest | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:20 |
| crimsun | either that or I'm blind, but either way, low importance | 09:20 |
| rob | yeah, try not to disconnect for now :) | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, mine did too untill the 3rd netsplit | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | it was kinda funny looking back at it though me and Hobbsee was like wth ? trying to control #ubuntu and #kubuntu cuz everyone else got nuked | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | ohh well fun times .... now onto something productive | 09:23 |
| === rob resumes hacker watch | ||
| === Hobbsee goes on another power trip. | ||
| ajmitch | oh dear | 09:26 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | watch out world.. | 09:27 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> are you a student? | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: yes | 09:27 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> can i pm you? | 09:27 |
| === Hobbsee marks ajmitch as her first victim | ||
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: sure | 09:27 |
| === Hobbsee is supposed to be studying. | ||
| === ajmitch coughs | ||
| antinobody | Hobbsee: You're still in school too? | 09:28 |
| antinobody | (referring to the whole "school year" concept) | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | no | 09:29 |
| rob | yay my birthday tomorrow :) | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | university | 09:29 |
| antinobody | granted, you live in an entirely different country, so the set-up may be different | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | happy b day rob | 09:29 |
| antinobody | ...right, that's not what i meant | 09:29 |
| tuxmaniac | rob> advanced Bday man!! | 09:29 |
| rob | cheers :) | 09:29 |
| === rob thinks he should have taken the day off work | ||
| antinobody | Here schools have quarters, and most people take the summer quarter off | 09:29 |
| rob | oh well | 09:29 |
| antinobody | well some have semesters, but they don't count | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | wheres here antinobody ? | 09:30 |
| antinobody | Oregon | 09:30 |
| antinobody | US | 09:30 |
| antinobody | probably most of the US for that matter | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | rob you always take the day AFTER your b day off so you can go out the night of the bday and sleep in the next day ;) | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | ahh not in KC ;) | 09:31 |
| rob | heh yeah | 09:31 |
| rob | looks like the restart is off :) | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | rob: can we make an exception to bring ubotu back, or something? | 09:36 |
| rob | what do you mean? | 09:37 |
| rob | won't ubotu reconnect? | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | rob: arent there no more reconnects? | 09:37 |
| rob | for now, shouldn't be too much longer hopefully | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | rob: right. kinda annoying not having the bot there. EdgyEft | 09:39 |
| === StevenK sighs at freenode. | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: what's up? | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | it's being freenode | 09:41 |
| StevenK | Exactly. | 09:42 |
| rob | we are working on a fix | 09:42 |
| rob | sorry about the disruption | 09:43 |
| StevenK | rob: I'm curious about the issue at hand, if you can tell me. | 09:43 |
| rob | whats that? | 09:43 |
| StevenK | rob: The issue that requires a shutdown and restart | 09:43 |
| rob | it looks like we won't have to do a restart | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | i'm more interesting in the weird kill messges :P | 09:44 |
| antinobody | ajmitch what does freenode be when it's being freenode? | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | pretend i make sense | 09:44 |
| === StevenK sighs at his Rails app. | ||
| Amaranth | antinobody: it means this thing is so huge something is almost always wrong | 09:44 |
| StevenK | Or more at my lack of CSS knowledge. | 09:44 |
| antinobody | I see... | 09:45 |
| Amaranth | everyone is on freenode :P | 09:45 |
| Amaranth | except the debian, mozilla, and gnome guys | 09:45 |
| StevenK | I have two <div>'s. One is float: left, and the other wraps around it, which is not what I want it to do. | 09:45 |
| antinobody | anyone know a good place to learn c (I know bits and pieces...) network-manager seems to be written in it, and that's the package I've arbitrarily decided to dissect | 09:46 |
| Amaranth | StevenK: set a margin-left on the other one that's the same size as the width of the floated one | 09:46 |
| _ion | stevenk: Then use something else than float: left; | 09:46 |
| rob | antinobody, there are lots of good free web sites | 09:46 |
| antinobody | rob I know, but I don't know what they are | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | cppreference.com | 09:47 |
| antinobody | gracias Amaranth | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | C++ and C | 09:47 |
| rob | www.cplusplus.com? | 09:47 |
| imbrandon | sudo reboot | 09:47 |
| imbrandon | grr | 09:47 |
| StevenK | _ion: Can you suggest anything? | 09:47 |
| rob | www.cprogramming.com | 09:48 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Permission denied | 09:48 |
| StevenK | Awww | 09:48 |
| _ion | stevenk: I'd like to see or know about the intended layout first. | 09:48 |
| _ion | stevenk: Do you have a design/mockup image? | 09:49 |
| StevenK | On paper. | 09:49 |
| StevenK | _ion: Basically, I'd like a sidebar with navigation links, and the rest of the page for content. Does that make sense? | 09:49 |
| _ion | stevenk: Thanks, that's exactly the information i needed. | 09:50 |
| _ion | stevenk: Something like this: #sidebar { position: absolute; left: 0; top: 0; width: 10em; } #content { margin-left: 11em; } | 09:51 |
| === StevenK tries that. | ||
| StevenK | _ion: That works great, thanks. | 09:54 |
| _ion | np. | 09:54 |
| Amaranth | eww, no :P | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | that's a rather naive layout | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | use float | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | the margin-left: 11em; still does what you want if you float the sidebar | 09:56 |
| _ion | amaranth: Are you to free to put the sidebar markup after the content in HTML that way? | 10:00 |
| Amaranth | there are some tricks to do that, iirc | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | but postition: absolute; is not a good answer | 10:01 |
| _ion | Well, one of them is that rather naive layout. :-) | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | I once spent a week making this really awesome layout using position and such and it kicked ass in Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc | 10:02 |
| Amaranth | IE barfed all over it | 10:02 |
| EdgyEft | IE always barfs | 10:02 |
| antinobody | IE is still alive? | 10:03 |
| Amaranth | I could have fixed it using Javascript but I just went with my current layout instead. | 10:03 |
| _ion | antinobody: Hasn't been for many years. | 10:03 |
| antinobody | _ion That's what I thought | 10:03 |
| Amaranth | IE is 90% of your visitors | 10:04 |
| EdgyEft | Amaranth: not on ubuntu-nl.org ;) | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | heh | 10:04 |
| EdgyEft | a mere 35% there | 10:04 |
| DarkMageZ | and some of them would be opera users masked | 10:05 |
| _ion | stevenk: Btw, that _should_ work with IE. The problems come if you try to make it pixel-perfect, e.g. an exact 0px or 1px gap instead of a 1em-ish gap between the sidebar and the content. | 10:05 |
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| Amaranth | _ion: because IE only handles top or bottom and left or right | 10:05 |
| Amaranth | but not both at the same time | 10:05 |
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| Toadstool | 'morning | 10:55 |
| antinobody | hi Toadstool | 10:55 |
| Toadstool | hi antinobody | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | hi Toadstool | 10:55 |
| Toadstool | hey ajmitch | 10:55 |
| antinobody | I'm going to go to sleep now, then wake up and go back to learning c, so that I can understand the package network-manager, so that I can use it to practice mergin | 10:59 |
| antinobody | this is all far too much work, and incredibly inefficient | 10:59 |
| antinobody | so I figure I should learn a lot from it | 10:59 |
| antinobody | sin embargo, buenas noches a todos | 10:59 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 01:02 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | hey jsgotangco :) | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee, jsgotangco | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | hey ajmitch | 01:04 |
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| fbond | anyone like to check out midisport-firmware on revu? | 01:39 |
| fbond | BTW, this package downloads firmware at install time, since the firmware can't be distributed except in the original source package | 01:39 |
| fbond | (due to licensing restrictions) | 01:39 |
| fbond | is there any way to indicate that an internet connection is required using dependencies? | 01:39 |
| fbond | that would be nice | 01:39 |
| fbond | but debian packages don't provide "pseudo-dependencies" do they? only real packages can be depended on, right? | 01:39 |
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| dsas | fbond: some of the 'real packages' are just there for dependencies for other packages (see ubuntu-desktop), you can't depend on an internet connection though. | 01:49 |
| Lut1n | can't check that in preinst script ? | 01:50 |
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| zul | hey | 01:51 |
| fbond | hmm, yes you can check in preinst, I guess that is the easiest way | 01:51 |
| fbond | If preinst fails, the package is not considered "installed" is it, or is it "installed" but not "configured"? | 01:51 |
| fbond | hi zul | 01:52 |
| zul | hey fabo | 01:53 |
| zul | doh...fbond | 01:53 |
| fbond | yuh . s'okay tab-completion doesn't always do you favors | 01:55 |
| ogra | fbond, have a look at the bcm43xx-fwcutter package, thats using a way that policy compoliant | 01:56 |
| fbond | ogra, thanks | 01:57 |
| ogra | (or the flashplugin-nonfree one) | 01:57 |
| zul | hey ogra | 01:57 |
| ogra | hi zul | 01:57 |
| zul | go go xen rangers | 02:05 |
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| Kyral | ...zul are yousa on crack? | 02:41 |
| zul | hmm? | 02:41 |
| Kyral | 08:07] <zul> go go xen rangers | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | hi Kyral | 02:42 |
| zul | Kyral, ah...yes yes i am on crach | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | i think he must b | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | e | 02:42 |
| tseng | xen eh | 02:46 |
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| nexu | is dh_md5sums the task that will do the signing ? | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | nexu: er...i dont think so. | 03:06 |
| nexu | which one is that? | 03:06 |
| nexu | i want to automate some package building process | 03:06 |
| nexu | to run them without human interaction | 03:06 |
| nexu | which now i need to type a secret key everytime it tries to sign the deb file | 03:07 |
| dsas | can't you automate signing by using gpg-agent and debuild ? | 03:13 |
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| === dsas doesn't know much about packaging. | ||
| Hobbsee | dsas: you still need to put in your passphrase | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 works | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | -S -sa are the flags for doing source only | 03:14 |
| _ion | hobbsee: Not every time, when using gpg-agent. | 03:14 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt know about gpg-agent | ||
| === Hobbsee just uses her scripts | ||
| uniq | with gpg-agent you just give your password the first time, iirc. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 03:15 |
| _ion | Just run debuild -S, and after a while you have a signed package. No passwords asked if you already have typed it recently. :-) | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | heh, nic | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | e | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | bit of a security risk thouhg | 03:16 |
| uniq | That's what i did to. Was really confused the firt time i had gpg-agent running. :) | 03:16 |
| uniq | firt/first. | 03:16 |
| === _ion recommends keychain for managing {gpg,ssh}-agent | ||
| _ion | hobbsee: You can set the password timeout depending on your level of paranoia. :-) | 03:18 |
| nexu | dsas: yeah nm | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:18 |
| nexu | i just found in the manual | 03:18 |
| nexu | how to automate it | 03:18 |
| nexu | but thx | 03:18 |
| === Hobbsee has seen some of these guy's paranoia. it's kinda weird. | ||
| === Hobbsee sees the point of keys not being comprimised though | ||
| dsas | shhh, hobbsee you can't talk about them being paranoid. They'll refuse to sign your key. | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:19 |
| === Hobbsee could get three people to sign her key in the next couple of weeks, if she wanted. | ||
| nexu | i'm in | 03:20 |
| nexu | :P | 03:20 |
| nexu | 2 more | 03:20 |
| _ion | If you ever visit Tampere, Finland, i can sign your key as well. :-) | 03:20 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 03:22 |
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| freeflying|away | we can upload to edgy now? | 03:42 |
| tseng | yes | 03:42 |
| shawarma | If I have a package I'd like to manage with CDBS, what is the proper procedure if the source doesn't have a configure script in upstream, but only the configure.ac and Makefile.am etc.. ? | 03:42 |
| shawarma | Do I add a makebuilddir rule with aclocal, autoconf and automake ? | 03:43 |
| shawarma | Ah... just discovered DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOCONF and _AUTOMAKE.. | 03:45 |
| shawarma | Yup, that did the trick. Never mind. :-D | 03:48 |
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| zakame | hiall | 04:13 |
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| Lathiat | hrm, i just did some extremely silly | 04:40 |
| Lathiat | rm -rf /sbin | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Lathiat: er, ouch? | 04:42 |
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| Lathiat | yeh | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | i was cleaning up a backup | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | and somehow did /sbin instead of sbin/ | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | heh | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | fixing this uber dfodge.. | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | i rsynced /sbin off another dapper machine | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 04:42 |
| Lathiat | and now im apt-get --reinstalling from dpkg -S /sbin/* | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | i scare myself sometime | 04:43 |
| Lathiat | s | 04:43 |
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| Lathiat | .. seems to be ok :) | 04:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Lathiat: lucky :P | 05:00 |
| Lathiat | i rebooted all good | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | phew | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | that was silly | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | at lesat it wasnt / | 05:02 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi Sp4rKy | 05:22 |
| Sp4rKy | hi Hobbsee :) | 05:22 |
| Sp4rKy | how are you ? | 05:22 |
| === Hobbsee is studying :( | ||
| Hobbsee | and thinking about sleep. | 05:23 |
| Sp4rKy | arf | 05:24 |
| === Sp4rKy is packaging :) | ||
| Hobbsee | fun :) | 05:25 |
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| Sp4rKy | yes | 05:26 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm packaging audacious | 05:26 |
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| Sp4rKy | just some errors and it should be good | 05:28 |
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| Hobbsee | :) | 05:30 |
| nexu | just done packaging bmpx | 05:30 |
| nexu | heh , even write scripts to do it for me in the future :> | 05:30 |
| nexu | wrote* | 05:30 |
| tseng | scripting packaging is not a brilliant idea | 05:32 |
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| nexu | its for the same package | 05:34 |
| tseng | so why would you package it again | 05:34 |
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| freeflying|away | nexu: where is your bmpx's package? | 05:35 |
| nexu | tseng: because i'm making packages from svn ? | 05:35 |
| nexu | freeflying|away: i have to upload it first | 05:35 |
| tseng | meh | 05:35 |
| nexu | freeflying|away: wait | 05:35 |
| freeflying|away | nexu: upload to where? REVU? universe? | 05:36 |
| nexu | freeflying|away: erm just my page for now, i still ahve to read the docs on how to get it up to revu | 05:37 |
| nexu | or revo | 05:38 |
| nexu | *u | 05:38 |
| paniq | hey | 05:39 |
| paniq | are there plans to release inkscape 0.44? | 05:40 |
| Sp4rKy | does nexuiz or warsow are in universe ? | 05:40 |
| freeflying|away | nexu: as I know, there have package for debian | 05:40 |
| paniq | i see at the moment its 0.43 in the repos | 05:40 |
| nexu | freeflying|away: those re old | 05:43 |
| nexu | freeflying|away: well actually | 05:43 |
| nexu | i looked thru that file lastnight | 05:43 |
| nexu | and saw some errors in the packaging | 05:43 |
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| nexu | freeflying|away: http://thehoneymustardbandits.org/nexu/linux/beepmediaplayer/ | 05:46 |
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| eitch0000 | anyone got an idea how can I create new linux-restricted-module package compiled against a new kernel? | 06:14 |
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| CarlFK | sounds like my "how do I make an xorg 7.1 deb" qest | 06:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm working on warsow and i've few questions | 06:52 |
| Sp4rKy | the tarball contains some binaries / repositories but no installation | 06:52 |
| Sp4rKy | just extract the tarball and run foo/warsow | 06:53 |
| Sp4rKy | so what must i do ? | 06:53 |
| Sp4rKy | just place all files in /opt ? | 06:53 |
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| Sp4rKy | E: audacious: ldconfig-symlink-referencing-wrong-file usr/lib/libaudacious.so -> /tmp/buildd/audacious-1.0.0/debian/audacious/usr/lib/libaudacious.so.2.0.0 instead of libaudacious.so.2.0.0 | 06:56 |
| Sp4rKy | how could i solve this ? | 06:57 |
| Sp4rKy | and how could i add postinst actions ? | 07:04 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 08:51 |
| Sp4rKy | hi | 08:51 |
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| fbond | hello | 10:16 |
| fbond | if my prerm exits with non-zero status, shouldn't the install abort? | 10:16 |
| fbond | for some reason, my postinstall script still executes | 10:16 |
| fbond | any ideas? | 10:16 |
| crimsun | for an upgrade or a clean install? | 10:18 |
| fbond | err...upgrade, as it were | 10:18 |
| fbond | that makes a difference? | 10:18 |
| crimsun | yes | 10:20 |
| fbond | I see | 10:20 |
| crimsun | prerm isn't relevant for a clean install | 10:20 |
| fbond | the old postinstall script is being run on abort-upgrade | 10:20 |
| fbond | i meant preinst | 10:20 |
| crimsun | are you using set -e in the script? | 10:20 |
| fbond | sorry | 10:21 |
| fbond | oh, that too | 10:21 |
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| fbond | I got it, sorry to bug you | 10:21 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 10:22 |
| phanatic | heya bddebian | 10:23 |
| bddebian | Hi phanatic | 10:24 |
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| siretart | slomo_: I have now packaged new upstream of xine-lib. care to have a look? | 10:43 |
| slomo_ | siretart: if it works for you just upload it :) | 10:44 |
| siretart | slomo_: didn't test it yet | 10:44 |
| siretart | the packages look good | 10:44 |
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| siretart | fuck: xine: gconv_db.c:232: __gconv_release_step: Assertion `step->__end_fct == ((void *)0)' failed. | 10:51 |
| slomo_ | glibc bug probably | 10:51 |
| slomo_ | i saw this in another bugreport already | 10:51 |
| siretart | ah, seems to be #50584 | 10:52 |
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| siretart | bug #50584 | 10:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50584 in xine-ui "No open windows" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50584 | 10:52 |
| slomo_ | jep | 10:52 |
| siretart | same with gxine | 10:53 |
| siretart | hm. shall I upload anyway? | 10:53 |
| slomo_ | i think so... we can fix it later and this way we at least have the new version | 10:54 |
| siretart | ok | 10:54 |
| siretart | well, since you are okay with bzr, and know where my branches are.. | 10:54 |
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| antinobody | good afternoon people | 11:44 |
| fbond | hello | 11:59 |
| antinobody | hello fbond | 11:59 |
| fbond | if I accidentally uploaded a binary to revu :( | 12:00 |
| fbond | can I use dcut to remove the files? | 12:00 |
| crimsun | fbond: just upload the source | 12:00 |
| fbond | tried that, fails | 12:00 |
| fbond | can't overwrite the dsc file | 12:00 |
| crimsun | fbond: ping a revu admin to remove them | 12:00 |
| fbond | revu admin is ... (I forget) | 12:00 |
| crimsun | fbond: I think siretart is the most recently active of them | 12:03 |
| crimsun | (according to /whois at least) | 12:03 |
| fbond | thanks | 12:03 |
| fbond | neat, didn't know /whois (relatively new to IRC) sorry | 12:04 |
| crimsun | /whois nick nick should reveal idle time | 12:04 |
| antinobody | anyone know what I should do if debdiff tells me gpg can't find a public key | 12:05 |
| siretart | fbond: in channel is fine | 12:05 |
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| fbond | sorry | 12:05 |
| siretart | fbond: no, revu doesn't support dcut commands | 12:05 |
| fbond | thought so | 12:05 |
| fbond | I ftp'd in to check on progress | 12:06 |
| fbond | didn't see much :) | 12:06 |
| crimsun | antinobody: ...debdiff tells you that? | 12:06 |
| crimsun | (do you mean debsign instead?) | 12:06 |
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